Chinese users to Sohu author: don't try to discredit Russian Su-57


A report was released on Chinese TV that was dedicated to the fifth-generation Russian fighter Su-57. In the report, Chinese viewers were reminded that in the world at the moment there are only three countries producing fifth-generation military aircraft: the United States, China and Russia.


After the plot on Chinese TV, the famous Chinese electronic publication Sohu published an article in which, with a fair amount of irony, the author discusses the Su-57. In particular, the article indicates that Russia "tried to sell" the Su-57 first to India, then to Turkey, but so far it has not been possible to put into service the Russian air forces themselves. The author notes that it is still “early to introduce Russia into the list of countries that have the technology to create fifth-generation fighters.” It is also added that Russia does not have enough funds for the full implementation of the fifth-generation fighter project.

Chinese users made unexpected criticisms of these statements at Sohu. The main criticism of the copyright claims boiled down to the fact that the author does not mention how the aircraft industry was formed in China itself. In particular, one of the readers suggested the author of the material to reflect on where in China the technology of military aircraft engineering came from - “were they borrowed from the USSR and Russia?”

From comments:

Xiao Bian (author of the article), do not try to discredit the Russian Su-57. Russia, like the USA and China, has advanced technologies in the aircraft industry. Yes, the three countries have different standards. While China and the United States focus on stealth, in Russia this emphasis is on maneuverability and increased capabilities when using various weapons. Russia's bet on the over-maneuverability of a 5th generation fighter cannot be discounted, since it is still not clear what could give a greater advantage in real air combat.

If in our media it is more and more often told about the Su-57 - from a positive or negative position - then this in any case becomes an advertisement for Russian aircraft.

Of course, it is possible to criticize. But are we already doing fine with the new generation of fighters? And the engines we learned to create suitable, right?

There is also an original sentence in the comments:

If the Russians do not have enough funds to develop the Su-57 project, then let's conclude a mutually beneficial deal: we will order the S-500 Prometheus air defense system from them, and with this money they will finish the Su-57 work.
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  1. bessmertniy 12 February 2020 08: 43 New
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    Smart people, these users of the Chinese portal "Sohu". They know where the legs of Chinese technology grow from. wassat
    1. Bar2 12 February 2020 09: 28 New
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      but it’s not necessary to discredit either, it discredits itself, it falls, and there isn’t yet.
      1. Voyager 12 February 2020 09: 39 New
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        How can fall that which is not? Where do you get so pathetic ...
        1. neri73-r 12 February 2020 09: 54 New
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          Quote: Voyager
          How can fall that which is not? Where do you get so pathetic ...

          The bulk of the two countries - quarter 404 and the promised land.
          1. Kostyar 12 February 2020 12: 17 New
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            no need to try to discredit the Russian Su-57

            Yes, even declassify ... there will be a fight, there will be food ...
            Su-57, this is an aircraft that is brought to the ideal, before mass production!
            As the Jews say, let it be better than not enough ...)))
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                    1. Bar2 12 February 2020 14: 51 New
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                      Quote: kit88
                      Quiet, comrades.
                      Looks like Comrade Bar2 has something to say. He does not like Putin's Russia. Let’s hear what kind of Russia does he like? Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Stalin or maybe pre-Petrov?
                      Or does Russia not like Russia at all, because it is Russia?

                      Quiet speakers, your word Comrade Mauser. So.
                      Do we see the progress of human civilization forward?
                      -Culture-in Moscow theaters they drive vulgarity, stories below the belt, which are subsidized from the state budget. Films are entirely anti-Soviet in half with low-quality, not really worked out plots, that was video
                      https://topwar.ru/167690-sovremennye-filmy-o-vojne-i-mify-o-letajuschih-drovah.html
                      just a sickening movie, or attack aircraft, or destroyers, most importantly more shit on the Soviet regime.
                      -Economy. Destroyed say either 10 thousand factories, or more. But we do not have our own aircraft industry, our own automobile and engine-building school are ruined.
                      The cosmos is also bent. An example of a hangar in which all the Russian media put all their corrupt little soul, but it did not fly, and it is not needed, theft is thriving in the East, and for this it was created.
                      -Putin has grown a whole bunch of -200 billion billion dollars, which immediately took all the money abroad and no one wants to invest in his country, and they are not Russian.
                      -Military industry. I already said that this is just one talk i.e. just crazy lies.
                      Our state should be governed by the Russians, consistently defend Russian interests, prohibit the sale of land and subsoil. Crazy billions -requisition. Introduce large taxes on the rich, that would not jerk. And most importantly -Av_tar_KIYA i.e. do everything yourself.
                      And most importantly, tell people a true story.
                      1. ROSS_51 14 February 2020 03: 50 New
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                        Quote: Bar2
                        Quote: kit88
                        Quiet, comrades.
                        Looks like Comrade Bar2 has something to say. He does not like Putin's Russia. Let’s hear what kind of Russia does he like? Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Stalin or maybe pre-Petrov?
                        Or does Russia not like Russia at all, because it is Russia?

                        Quiet speakers, your word Comrade Mauser. So.
                        Do we see the progress of human civilization forward?
                        -Culture-in Moscow theaters they drive vulgarity, stories below the belt, which are subsidized from the state budget. Films are entirely anti-Soviet in half with low-quality, not really worked out plots, that was video
                        https://topwar.ru/167690-sovremennye-filmy-o-vojne-i-mify-o-letajuschih-drovah.html
                        just a sickening movie, or attack aircraft, or destroyers, most importantly more shit on the Soviet regime.
                        -Economy. Destroyed say either 10 thousand factories, or more. But we do not have our own aircraft industry, our own automobile and engine-building school are ruined.
                        The cosmos is also bent. An example of a hangar in which all the Russian media put all their corrupt little soul, but it did not fly, and it is not needed, theft is thriving in the East, and for this it was created.
                        -Putin has grown a whole bunch of -200 billion billion dollars, which immediately took all the money abroad and no one wants to invest in his country, and they are not Russian.
                        -Military industry. I already said that this is just one talk i.e. just crazy lies.
                        Our state should be governed by the Russians, consistently defend Russian interests, prohibit the sale of land and subsoil. Crazy billions -requisition. Introduce large taxes on the rich, that would not jerk. And most importantly -Av_tar_KIYA i.e. do everything yourself.
                        And most importantly, tell people a true story.

                        Stop the tantrum. Where were you in 1999? When were homes blown across the country? When did Basayev’s gang enter Dagestan? When was Russia's foreign debt $ 160 billion? When officers got a penny and earn extra money, where will it be? Can remind you how much inflation per year was? When did the IMF “cook” Russia, put it on a plate and prepare to eat according to the Angolan scenario?
                        Where were you and where were your howls, Vsepropalooo !!! Putin raised billionaires? But did he force Khodorkovsky to sew mittens? Not after that, did our billionaires start paying taxes, all of a sudden? Did he force Abramovich to pay tribute in the form of injections into Chukotka about 5 yards of personal funds? Did he put an end to seven-bankers?
                        Where did you get out now, huh? What, the cock walked away from the ass, can you get off your suitcases and yell for your righteous power?
                        Much of what you tweeted here is true.
                        But personally, my opinion is urapatriotov in the furnace! But the all-crawler there too!
                        Objectively assess the weaknesses of their state, this is the strength. But without tantrums, in working order.
                        Threat valerian then still drink ..
              3. Usher 12 February 2020 13: 37 New
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                Quote: Bar2
                stuffed plush ducks, or maybe it's just one with several tadpoles like hydra? It hurts all komenty similar to each other, as with one pen.
                This does not negate the fact that the t50 / su57 aircraft is declared ready YEARS, and then once crashed, and then once and moved forward a year, and then two and so on.
                Here is your Putin’s non-Russian army, too, a tank for parades and pompous reports-that would understand the essence through the form, where is it? And the engine is not ready.
                But instant35 passed state tests and where is it? But not him.
                Where is the famous hangar? And also there is none and never will be.
                Instead of t15, here's a bmp2 soviet with a berezochek.
                Or maybe in 40 years an army pistol will appear? No does not appear either.
                All that has been done really is an instant31 + Iskander is all the USSR or T90, which T72 is the same.
                What does Putin’s propagandists boast of?
                And what do we have after 40 years of your capitalism? And there are Putin's cartoons about rackets with the type of "popular" names that no one has seen. And there is a prometheus-non-Russian, whom no one has seen either.
                Here is such an unsightly face of capitalism in Russia.

                And the man is telling the truth. Bends over but the truth. Where are all these wunderwaffles? After a few hundred years, tests pass, all can not pass. What is being advertised will be in the right amount in 20 years.
                1. Bar2 12 February 2020 13: 42 New
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                  Quote: Usher
                  And the man is telling the truth. Bends over but the truth. Where are all these wunderwaffles? After a few hundred years, tests pass, all can not pass. What is now being advertised will be in due quantity in 20 years


                  it has already reached the point that there’s nothing to talk about fuel on the profile, because there is nothing new, except left movements, and here’s the Chinese magazine, they suggest discussing it.
                  1. Usher 12 February 2020 13: 48 New
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                    except left movements

                    In the sense of not profile site or political left? I so adhere to communist views. winked
                    1. Bar2 12 February 2020 14: 53 New
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                      Quote: Usher
                      In the sense of not profile site or political left?

                      this site is military, but the topics for conversation have ended, because there is nothing to discuss, hence the left is not relevant topics.
                2. ROSS_51 14 February 2020 03: 34 New
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                  Quote: Usher

                  And the man is telling the truth. Bends over but the truth. Where are all these wunderwaffles? After a few hundred years, tests pass, all can not pass. What is being advertised will be in the right amount in 20 years.

                  What truth does the person say? Su-57 have been developing for 10 years.
                  For reference, F-35 has been doing 15 years and is still very far from the mind there. And he is, as it were, not the first in a generation.
                  1. Usher 7 March 2020 12: 21 New
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                    Quote: Usher

                    And the man is telling the truth. Bends over but the truth. Where are all these wunderwaffles? After a few hundred years, tests pass, all can not pass. What is being advertised will be in the right amount in 20 years.

                    What truth does the person say? Su-57 have been developing for 10 years.
                    For reference, F-35 has been doing 15 years and is still very far from the mind there. And he is, as it were, not the first in a generation.

                    The problem is that they build them in massive quantities. And we’ll build 20 pieces and that’s it.
                    1. ROSS_51 7 March 2020 16: 57 New
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                      Quote: ROSS_51
                      Quote: Usher

                      And the man is telling the truth. Bends over but the truth. Where are all these wunderwaffles? After a few hundred years, tests pass, all can not pass. What is being advertised will be in the right amount in 20 years.

                      What truth does the person say? Su-57 have been developing for 10 years.
                      For reference, F-35 has been doing 15 years and is still very far from the mind there. And he is, as it were, not the first in a generation.

                      The problem is that they build them in massive quantities. And we’ll build 20 pieces and that’s it.

                      What all? Will everyone go back to the 4th generation? There is no way back, they will build.
                      And in massive quantities, staff members are only building for themselves. And in NATO, the main buyers of 30 pieces have ordered and are sitting, waiting. At what Germany and France are in no hurry to somehow buy the F-35. The American economy is in no hurry to raise its own.
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    2. knn54 12 February 2020 11: 21 New
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      TASKS ARE DIFFERENT — in the “light” Chinese 20 and American 35-breakthrough air defense systems.
      The Su-57 is gaining air superiority.
  2. Hto tama 12 February 2020 08: 43 New
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    Maybe that's why there is no money for the development of this program and not only it, because we help everyone, including China. Good things are punishable, but we always forget about it sad
  3. Varyag_0711 12 February 2020 08: 44 New
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    Oh, these Chinese "experts" ... you first bring your plane to mind, and then we'll talk about the Su-57. And then bragging on the whole planet, but to no avail. No one, including in China itself (except for a narrow circle of initiates) knows the true characteristics of Chinese aircraft. So chickens in the fall count. And yet, yes, to begin with, bring engine building to mind, and then you will already brag about it.
    The only thing that can be envied by China is the pace of construction of the fleet. Again, to what extent everything is qualitatively there, a big question, taking into account complete secrecy in the Chinese military industry.
    1. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 12: 33 New
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      The only thing that can be envied by China is the pace of construction of the fleet. Again, how good is everything there,

      Their surface shipbuilding is domestic. But the submarine forces are mainly our boats, for some reason they are silent about nuclear powered ships. Apparently because they are at the level of the 1st generation of submarines and progress has not yet been clearly observed here. But you will have to “measure your letters” (on occasion) with the Virginia, and this, oh, is far from an easy task even for our 885s.
      So, the Chinese comrades need to be more modest in evaluating their own and others' technical capabilities.
      And the Su-57 can actually be judged after installing the second stage dvig on it. At the expense of stealth. It is based on other physical principles. EMG rather than painting the airframe at its core. So, it's time to plug the fountain and watch vigilantly around through your squinted hench!
      IMHO.
    2. venik 12 February 2020 13: 03 New
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      Oh, these Chinese "experts" ... you first bring your plane to mind, and then we'll talk about the Su-57.

      =======
      good Directly "removed from the tongue!" The J-20s themselves still fly on such junk as the AL-31FN, and the AL-41F1 engines - on the Su-57 you see the expression "Phi! "they make faces on the face! With" stealth "- the same" haze "turns out! (It seems to me, at least taking into account the dimensions and appearance of both machines, that the J-20 EPR will have more!).
      In terms of maneuverability, the same story seems to be similar: maximum take-off weight - wing load on the J-20 - almost. 500 kg / sq.m, for Su-57 - a little more 430 kg / sq.m. Thrust-to-weight ratio (at maximum explosive), without afterburner, respectively 0.43 и 0.50 kgf / kg, with afterburner - respectively 0.69 и 0.82 kgf / kg .....
      Of course there are plenty of other parameters, but just taking into account the already given ones, somehow the J-20 is "not impressive"! Absolutely "not impressive" ......
  4. Victor_B 12 February 2020 08: 44 New
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    Chinese users to Sohu author: don't try to discredit Russian Su-57

    This is from the series "They Read Us!"
  5. Cowbra 12 February 2020 08: 45 New
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    Yeah, and the end of the "original proposal" - when they bring it to mind, we will buy the SU-57 from them. Two pieces to copy, but for now the S-500 is picking
    1. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 12: 41 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      In the meantime, the S-500 is picking

      I doubt very much that our leadership would take such a step. Selling NMD systems is the height of indiscretion. What if tomorrow the “wind changes”, and then what should we do with the “comrades”, who have long-range air defense systems in their arsenal, who are capable of shooting down SMD ballistic missiles, operating on BB ICBMs?
      As Vereshchagin said: -"No guys. I won’t give you a machine gun!" (C)
      1. Bar2 12 February 2020 13: 45 New
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        No guys. I won’t give you a machine gun!

        Turkey has already sold s400, and now graters have begun, but the Turks told him it’s NATO / enemies, there’s no surplus to cut the dough.
        1. bayard 13 February 2020 00: 28 New
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          already sold turkey c400, and now graters

          Sold and put so far only the first regimental set.
          And now graters. wink
          And who, tell me, should worry now?
          The delivery of the second set is a very good weight on the scales of the current bargaining.
          What about future service?
          SPTA?
          For our aircraft, the S-400 is not terrible - it does not hit its own.
          Well, that's what all normal guys do.
          So who should worry now?
          Russia has enough arguments in a conversation with the Turks, and the last argument (the argument of the kings) is still very far. For now, the tomato is enough.
          And the last case - with the evacuation of a seriously wounded militant leader from Idlib, when the Turks did not let the car with him into Turkey, but were placed in a field hospital in the "zone". They explained their behavior by the fact that Russia would be unhappy, because negotiations are underway with it to stop the database.
          They are coming, but Syria and Russia do not stop.
          Despite the concentration of Turkish troops on the border.
          So who is bluffing?
          Who's catching up on a price?
          Turks solve their internal problems - problems with refugees.
          And they are trying to overcome at least a little zemlyatse.
          But everything will pass.
          It will pass.
          Already this week, everything should be resolved.
          And from Turkey, they didn’t cut the dough as much as solved the logistics problem through the straits and freed Aleppo. They effortlessly decided - the Turks simply recalled their proxies.
          Do not tear the heart.
          Take care of your nerves.
          Everything will be fine .
          And the rockets will fly. Someday, but they will fly. And the aircraft - Su-57, will also be in the army. And even Armata (be it wrong) also sometime, probably ... and even with 152 mm. with a cannon ... And on the other, she is in the Army and not for nothing. CSKA already did not know how to fight off such happiness ... T-90M, T-72V3, T-80BVM - and no Armata!
          Unless with 152 mm. gun, then you can still think.
          Take a deep breath. Meditate ... Open your eyes, but it has already happened - something happened. smile
    2. ROSS_51 14 February 2020 04: 08 New
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      Yeah, and the end of the "original proposal" - when they bring it to mind, we will buy the SU-57 from them. Two pieces to copy, but for now the S-500 is picking

      Well, somewhere there seemed to be a translation of a Chinese article, where they were not shy about anyone, explaining why it is not cost-effective to purchase and copy the Tu-22.
      Taki, technology rule..s ..
      Or are we all so smart here, but at the top they don’t understand what can be sold and what can’t?
      Tea is not drunk in power and not labeled ..
  6. rocket757 12 February 2020 08: 49 New
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    In general, when one doesn’t try to talk about “not a friend and not an enemy, but like that”, everything is quite clear and logical ... because even an enemy SHOULD argue more logically, because neglect is often very expensive him!
    1. cniza 12 February 2020 09: 16 New
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      Sohu very often looks like a children's sandbox ... hi
      1. rocket757 12 February 2020 09: 22 New
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        Hi soldier
        Frogs that cannot stick their nose out of their swamp. They croak only on the side from which the most "fatty mosquitoes" sprinkle on them.
        After all, there is nothing new, unexpected.
        1. cniza 12 February 2020 09: 23 New
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          It seems that the ears of the USA stick out there, while China is not the country that will tolerate this.
          1. rocket757 12 February 2020 09: 37 New
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            About the East, it has been said many times that the matter there ... is different.
            Indochina, the area is no less ... mysterious, for perception from the outside! Who knows, who drives it and how.
      2. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 13: 00 New
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        Sohu very often looks like a children's sandbox .. It seems that the ears of the USA stick out there.
        Apparently, comrade Xiao Bian (the author of the article) studied journalism in the United States, and at the same time he spied, as is customary with them. That’s the habit of crushing the loaf on Russia ... angry
        1. cniza 12 February 2020 17: 39 New
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          Well, we are deeply into such loafers ...
      3. Usher 12 February 2020 13: 35 New
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        Sohu very often looks like a children's sandbox ... hi

        Our TP is also 80% of commentators with dislocation of the brain. They can’t even read normally.
  7. evgic 12 February 2020 08: 55 New
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    Sohu has become a common brewer with authors crazy about Chinese nationalism.
  8. Self 12 February 2020 09: 13 New
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    The Su-57, as well as the “Almaty”, has one problem. Their uselessness from a military point of view. We will not even consider the actual product itself. The whole question is in quantity. Sohu correctly says that it will not be possible to provide them with the Russian Aerospace Forces. That Su 57, that Armat, will never be produced in sufficient quantities. And by the time when all the same there will be a sufficient number of them, they will be obsolete. What is the use of SU 57 if there are, at best, a dozen or two in the country? And this dozen cars will be built for a dozen years. In general, it seems that Russia is already making new weapons for someone, and not for itself. Releasing exactly so many required units so that it would be possible to report to the media that we also have these samples. Although, those few pieces of new models that will be put into service do not affect anything.
    1. spectr 12 February 2020 10: 14 New
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      In general, it seems that Russia is already initially making new weapons for someone, not for herself.

      So it is in reality. The Ministry of Defense has so "pinched eggs" by regulating prices that the defense industry enterprises can only breathe when selling for export. And for our own aircraft, we are doing so that the military-industrial complex, in principle, does not bend or lose operating time.
      Actually because of this, another problem is looming now. As the boss once explained to me, the developers are conditionally divided into two categories: “brokers” and “widths”. Cross-sectional people are people who have a wide coverage of knowledge in different areas but not very deeply. Prodolshchka - they know any one area, but in more depth (or vice versa).
      Manufacturers are more interested in “brokers”, and the main designers are “cross-sections” and their lack is felt more and more. The situation with the failure of the IL-112 deadlines is most likely due to the fact that there was no competent "cross-section".
      And now enterprises / organizations of the military-industrial complex are forced by the Ministry of Defense to pay fines for the upbringing of the new "cross-section" in the 90s they were lost (by the way, upbringing takes place in a "tough" form, and if a person is not mentally ready, then he is dumped from the organization). To create new designs is again fines, which can lead to the collapse of design bureaus / enterprises / organizations. Need a break. So most likely the Su-57, Armata, Boomerang and so on, which they are now creating, will go to the troops. True, with what delays and in what form FIG knows him.
    2. ROSS_51 14 February 2020 04: 13 New
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      Quote: Self
      The Su-57, as well as the “Almaty”, has one problem. Their uselessness from a military point of view. We will not even consider the actual product itself. The whole question is in quantity. Sohu correctly says that it will not be possible to provide them with the Russian Aerospace Forces. That Su 57, that Armat, will never be produced in sufficient quantities. And by the time when all the same there will be a sufficient number of them, they will be obsolete. What is the use of SU 57 if there are, at best, a dozen or two in the country? And this dozen cars will be built for a dozen years. In general, it seems that Russia is already making new weapons for someone, and not for itself. Releasing exactly so many required units so that it would be possible to report to the media that we also have these samples. Although, those few pieces of new models that will be put into service do not affect anything.

      Excuse me, what is your higher military education? I mean, in what year did the military academy graduate? Is there any experience in the General Staff service? I seriously, I will quote you .. Such a competent source, it will be a pity to miss ..
      Or are you Vasya the locksmith from Muhoska nevertheless?
      1. Self 26 February 2020 01: 34 New
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        What about you? You also spend the night at the General Staff, do not even go home? Is this a prerequisite in order to notice obvious things? Or poke me with your nose, showing the armada "Armat" and the SU-57 squadron. Or throw your Petrosyanshchina.
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    With his, in my excessive patriotism, Sohu provides a disservice to the Chinese military-industrial complex, and in this case the aircraft industry. You’ll get over, lick it up and you won’t notice how the one you praise will be proud, bronze and stop "catching mice". Chinese users made absolutely correct comments to this media. Especially liked
    where did the military aircraft engineering technologies come from in China itself - "were they borrowed from the USSR and Russia?"
  10. cniza 12 February 2020 09: 14 New
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    If the Russians do not have enough funds to develop the Su-57 project, then let's conclude a mutually beneficial deal: we will order the S-500 Prometheus air defense system from them, and with this money they will finish the Su-57 work.


    Good offer...
    1. Grigory_45 12 February 2020 09: 51 New
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      Good offer...

      yeah, let's sell everything. S-400 Turkey, S-500 China. Or maybe immediately Almaz-Antey to be transported to Beijing? Well, to work for a foreign defense industry. We ourselves will then unnecessarily arm our “friends”, and we will sit with the Su-27 and Bukami. But what, friends?
      1. cniza 12 February 2020 09: 59 New
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        No, we should have the next generation, but we need to sell ...
        1. Boa kaa 12 February 2020 13: 09 New
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          but you have to sell ...

          Sell canwhen the next generation appears, and it will be adopted!
          Otherwise, you can fly ... with your "proletarian solidarity."
          AHA.
          1. cniza 12 February 2020 17: 43 New
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            And where does proletarian solidarity come in, at one time it helped to break up the USSR, and it is necessary to sell for money and only specials. export options.
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            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: cniza
            but you have to sell ...

            Sell canwhen the next generation appears, and it will be adopted!
            Otherwise, you can fly ... with your "proletarian solidarity."
            AHA.

            - Yesterday's borscht?
            Yeah
            -Come tomorrow..
            Who needs the past generation? Chinese or Indians? Are they fools? China wants to get everything for free (copy), and they are not bad at it, like a factory in the world, by the way. Hindus watched that before the release of the Su-57, as before China with cancer and left the project. There is an F-35 on the market, and the F-16 was sold to them without problems. We are talking about high-tech weapons, not the sale of the AK-47 to Africa.
            1. Boa kaa 14 February 2020 12: 28 New
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              Who needs the past generation? Chinese or Indians? Are they fools?

              They are not fools. But our air defense systems and the previous generation, with some refinement / modernization for modern REOs, will be better than their own and at a cheaper price than the Yankees.
              Quote: ROSS_51
              Hindus watched that before the release of the Su-57, as before China with cancer and left the project. There is an F-35 on the market, and the F-16 was sold to them without problems.

              The Hindus did not therefore leave the project that the Su-57 is not good. But because the Russians did not want to share their know-how with them.
              As for "to China cancer" - Do not be lazy, look at the map, and you will understand your mistake! laughing
              F-35 of course there is, but raw and expensive! And the F-16 didn’t seem to have passed the tender for replacing a light fighter, and the Indians bought Rafal.
              Or am I wrong somewhere?
              F-16 fame and relevance could not affect the desire of the Indian Air Force command, which refused to purchase a new modification - F-16 Block 70/72, shown at the exhibition "Aero India -2019" under the name F-21. It is unlikely that $ 157 million for one F-16 Block 70/72 with an armament complex is a "better acquisition" than a cheaper F-35 ... But this is not the highest price for this aircraft - in 2018.
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  11. CBR600 12 February 2020 09: 16 New
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    CHINESE BROTHERS !!! Return to our country 30 lard for the pipe (you know which one) and we will offer you the latest SU-57, which has no tax in the world!
  12. Maks1995 12 February 2020 09: 22 New
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    Already started to discuss the comments of the Chinese in the internet?
    Somehow not that ...
  13. Nikalab 12 February 2020 09: 28 New
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    I still do not understand the meaning of such news ... What would comment on the comments of random Chinese on their resource? And on Sohu, too, comment on the comments of Russian users on the VO? wassat
    1. rudolff 12 February 2020 09: 46 New
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      If Chinese users would read what articles on Chinese technology go to VO and how the local public comments on them, they would become really sour!
  14. g1washntwn 12 February 2020 09: 50 New
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    You won’t praise yourself - you walk like a spit. They also praise their corvettes. Towards the end of their articles, in the future they will have railguns, lasers, and almost gravitational pull. Either the coronavirus has learned to live in the brain, or the drugs for it are so pinned.
  15. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 12 February 2020 10: 05 New
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    Russian publication "Military Review of Chinese Comments on Social Media." A disgrace.
  16. semuil 12 February 2020 10: 35 New
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    In Russia, everything has really been developed for a long time, brought to perfection and adopted, but what is being accepted becomes weapon masterpieces, which the same China either buys or tries to copy. Let's see what the Chinese will ultimately fly.
    1. Self 12 February 2020 12: 38 New
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      It would be interesting to know what happened in Russia to perfection, was adopted, and became a weapon masterpiece? In principle, this can be said only if applied to the USSR, for example. But modern Russia, this is not the USSR. Therefore, it can no longer repeat such things. And can’t. All that they are capable of doing now is somehow to bring to mind the achievements remaining precisely from the USSR. When these backlogs are over, then there will be everything.
  17. Operator 12 February 2020 11: 20 New
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    Due to the presence of head plumage, the Chinese duck plane glows in the radio range like a Christmas tree. Because he is up to the EPR of the Su-57 and F-35 as to the moon.
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    That is money, but the larger the series, the cheaper the product, including for the native VKS. And the Indians, I fear in vain, jumped off the project.
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    Quote: Bar2
    I myself write training manuals

  20. silver_roman 12 February 2020 13: 28 New
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    China has never made a 5th generation airplane. He is so far from that. that the 4th generation plane didn’t even do. what are they talking about? or make a glider with broken lines, having calculated the EPR, is it their opinion to make a 5th generation airplane? I seriously do not understand this hype. Who the hell are you to consider yourself an aviation power? what did you really design and do yourself? Balabol
    Here is what they did

    And then the engines are essentially ours. NGO Saturn. Then they made their own type, naturally just upgrading ours. Relocators pancake
    1. Astra55 13 February 2020 01: 30 New
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      Why is he so similar to f-16?
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    At least they remember the story. Hi UK and JPN
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    I love pragmatists !!!