"Moidodyr" against coronavirus, or How we are imposed a fear of new diseases and a habit of old

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I am not a doctor. Speaking in modern youth language, I am an active user of medicine. But what is happening in the world today, the information attack that is conducted through the media, is already beginning to scare me. It’s not scary that this same coronavirus will hit my city and my country, and we will die out like dinosaurs. It scares me that such a massive processing of the brains of the population will lead to an unpredictable reaction of people with mental problems.

As far as I can remember, they tell me so much about some terrible diseases that suddenly appear precisely this year. It started back in school. I’m lucky kindergarten for me is terra incognita. I lived in places where these kindergartens simply did not exist.



The first terrible enemy for me was rickets. It is clear that this is not a virus, but the baby doesn’t care. Fish oil, which had to be swallowed several times daily, was remembered for its nasty taste for life.

Then school lessons stories middle ages. Remember the teacher’s emotional stories about the plague, smallpox, and other epidemics that destroyed entire cities? Or typhus, cholera, and other terrible diseases of the times of the Civil War, incomprehensible then? It was really scary from the fact that there were such diseases, and it was joyful that they were destroyed.

And here the first teacher appeared! At the beginning in the cinema, and then, when we got a TV, on the TV screen. Remember Moidodyr? Fun and understandable, he said that cleanliness is the key to health. Do you remember these many “Wash your hands before meals!” Dining rooms and buffets?

I recall offhand what I could die from. There was not a year when terrible E. coli and even cholera coli were not found in our river. Moreover, they appeared exactly before the start of the swimming season. And in the same way, they disappeared somewhere at its end.

And how many flu I survived! Scary and incurable. Avian, pork, Hong Kong, Chinese and many more. Then the names of the doctors ended, and they took advantage of the experience of astronomers. They began to designate these flu letters and numbers. Now, every year, grandmothers at the entrance argue about the letter flu came to us.

A separate line of killing the disease is AIDS. The panic was bigger today. Everything, an incurable disease has appeared, which is transmitted sexually! We agreed that a condom will save you from the virus! And literate people who graduated from universities believed in this. Mesh netting will not miss a fly to your site ...

What am I talking about this? Exactly the same stories are now remembered by readers. And they remembered about Moydodyr. But they remembered that even from that small list of diseases that I mentioned above, people still died.

Alas, I’ll say even tougher. People from viruses will die constantly. Each new mutation of the virus will kill someone's life. Each one! And to blame for this, more precisely, has already become, modern medicine.

We often talk about increasing life expectancy. We speak of a great victory over nature. But for some reason we are silent about how this victory was achieved. We are not talking about the quality of life. We do not seem to notice the mini pharmacy that most fellow citizens have.

To be honest and to collect in one basket everything that we know about the life of old people, we get an unsightly picture of survival. Drug extension of a fading life. A bouquet of chronic diseases accompanies old age.

Now let's look at the victims of another virus. The vast majority are people suffering from chronic diseases. It’s just that a new flower is added to an existing bouquet, which kills itself, and more often helps existing diseases to kill a person.

The panic that is being artificially fanned today is largely a result of a market economy. Remember the recent “prank” in the Moscow metro? An imitation of a coronavirus attack by several idiots ... It is good that the police quickly caught the “jokers." But, I am sure of this, several people from the audience of this abomination were really scared. Several people are now somewhere telling friends how a person was dying from this virus. And to all the arguments that are given in response, they calmly talk about the desire of the state to hide this fact.

To understand what this coronavirus is, you do not need to look for reports of academicians of medicine, leading specialists and so on. It is enough to talk with those who have this virus on their side. That's exactly what I did. The Khabarovsk Territory is precisely the “advanced” fight against coronavirus.

And you know, I read local doctors, local residents, Chinese specialists and ... remembered Moydodyr. Just to quote some pieces of the doctors’ speech:

“... the mortality rate of the new virus is 2,1%. This is a low indicator. Citizens over 60 and people who suffer several serious diseases at once are at risk. ”

“The stability of the virus in the external environment is two to three days on the surface of plastic, glass or furniture. If the virus enters a surface that absorbs moisture, then it lives from five minutes to an hour. That is, it is rather unstable in the external environment.

Moreover, the virus can be easily destroyed by any alcohol-containing substance, chlorine-containing agent and hydrogen peroxide. That is, if you have an alcohol wipe, then you can treat your hands, the surfaces of those objects where you are afraid that you might get infected. Then the virus dies. "

This is the opinion of medical specialists, confirmed by numerous observations of not only Russian, but, most importantly, Chinese doctors. By the way, it is very important to know how the virus is transmitted.

Knowledge is power. Especially when there is a real danger of getting sick. So:

“Coronavirus is transmitted in four ways. Airborne - when talking, coughing or sneezing. From this the mask will save and the refusal to visit a large gathering of sick people. "

“You need to wash your hands properly: lather with antiseptic soap, hold for 20 seconds and rinse thoroughly.”

“Contact-household - a specialist advises to exclude handshakes with unknown people, hugs and kisses with sick SARS and human flu.”

“Alimentary - through food, refuse unfinished or undercooked food (fish, meat, seafood). Wash vegetables and fruits thoroughly. And baked apples are better. ”

“Fecal-oral - if you do not wash your hands after using the bathroom, then there is a possibility that the infection will get inside the body.”


Is something of what the doctors are talking about that we don’t know? Maybe we hear about some measures for the first time? Moidodyr from our childhood did not even tell us about these basic rules of hygiene and sanitation - he sang! There is probably no person who does not know these basic safety measures during an outbreak of viral diseases. No, at least, it seems to me that way, a person who would not violate these rules.

In no way do I want to downplay the danger of a new disease. Humanity is obliged to respond to the emergence of new dangers instantly. I will not blame sick people for dishonesty or illegibility in the choice of food, as it often happens in the world media. It turns out that it’s not necessary to be afraid of “old” diseases, but a new virus ... As if tens of millions of people around the world do not die every year from cardiovascular diseases. As if there is no diabetes, oncology, gastrointestinal diseases ... But about how many these sores take away, in summaries News to speak somehow is not accepted. After all, you can go to the problems with medicine, with its effectiveness, at where trillions of compulsory health insurance funds go.

Yes, the bats on which they blamed the new virus today are indeed carriers of many diseases. This is such a compact "viral projectile" of our time. Diseases are tolerated, but they themselves do not get these diseases.

Yes, the citizens of the Middle Kingdom really eat a lot of animals that are quite exotic for us, marine reptiles, insects. So what? They have been eating for several millennia, and the disease has arisen only now. Our diet for representatives of many countries is also quite exotic. I saw the eyes of a representative of one European country when he saw ice cream drenched in jam from fir cones.

The disease will go away when we, ordinary people, without a medical education and special knowledge, simply follow the long-known prescriptions that we were told about in childhood. And the doctors, it is already clearly visible, will be able to find a cure for the disease. A means of effective prevention of coronavirus (and any other) has long been known from the repeatedly mentioned work of 1921 Korney Chukovsky ...

We still have to find a cure for fear and panic. And a cure for stupidity and greed!
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  1. +11
    12 February 2020 09: 43
    Cleanliness is the guarantee of health!
    Everything in the article is correctly said.
    1. +9
      12 February 2020 09: 49
      And a cure for stupidity and greed ...

      Soon, such a medicine would have appeared, otherwise the officials with their laws and statements have to say the least got it.
      1. +4
        12 February 2020 09: 57
        Recipe from Pilyudtkin: "Castor oil and iodine!" wassat
      2. -5
        12 February 2020 09: 58
        The forefront of the fight against coronavirus is not Khabarovsk Territory but Tyumen! It was precisely to us that evacuated from China were delivered and a sick Chinese student was found at Us.
        1. +8
          12 February 2020 10: 13
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The forefront of the fight against coronavirus is not Khabarovsk Territory but Tyumen! It was precisely to us that evacuated from China were delivered and a sick Chinese student was found at Us.

          It is written as if you were proud of it ...
          1. -3
            12 February 2020 10: 18
            Quote: Volodin

            It is written as if you were proud of it ...

            What are you speaking about? What can be proud of here? I just corrected the author!
            The reaction of the inhabitants of Tyumen, to put it mildly, is negative.
          2. +5
            12 February 2020 10: 34
            Quote: Volodin
            Volodin (Alexey) Today, 10: 13 NEW
            +2
            Quote: Hunter 2
            The forefront of the fight against coronavirus is not Khabarovsk Territory but Tyumen! It was precisely to us that evacuated from China were delivered and a sick Chinese student was found at Us.

            It is written as if you were proud of it ...

            written as if you envy it ... wassat Lyokha ... no offense, could not resist! winkeverything is not as scary as it is being pumped up.
          3. +4
            12 February 2020 13: 23
            Quote: Volodin
            Quote: Hunter 2
            The forefront of the fight against coronavirus is not Khabarovsk Territory but Tyumen! It was precisely to us that evacuated from China were delivered and a sick Chinese student was found at Us.

            It is written as if you were proud of it ...

            And I understood to bring to your hearing and an adequate perception of realities from a place or mood in the morning is not that? stop
        2. +6
          12 February 2020 10: 27
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The forefront of the fight against coronavirus is not Khabarovsk Territory but Tyumen!

          And ... Is it because it was there that the quarantine center was organized and our compatriots were brought from China? Then yes. And the fact that in the Khabarovsk Territory the population goes back and forth for the weekend to rest and buy nothing? not those who were taken out. And those who just live there and constantly communicate with the Chinese.
          Okay. The Khabarovsk Territory will be a deep rear. Has this changed anything?
          1. +1
            12 February 2020 10: 32
            I am not a doctor. (Author)
            the same garbage ... (forum member) wink
          2. +4
            12 February 2020 10: 44
            Well, let's start with the recommendations of Rospotrebnadzor, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Chief State Sanitary Doctor. Accordingly, increased controls crossing the border ... well, the arrival of the best virologists in Russia to Tyumen. Does it change anything?
            Residents - this is definitely annoying, Tyumen does not border China.
            1. +10
              12 February 2020 10: 51
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Residents - it’s definitely annoying,

              finally uzhos! if the virus "ignites", then someone needs it.
              1. +2
                12 February 2020 17: 15
                We must look at the ratio of the dead to the sick. 40 times deadly flu
                1. 0
                  13 February 2020 06: 49
                  Or rather, the ratio of the dead to the cured.
            2. +5
              12 February 2020 12: 34
              Hi!
              By the way, I wanted to ask everyone why they chose Tyumen? The best medical infrastructure away from Moscow or prepared after the student was discovered?
              1. +5
                12 February 2020 12: 43
                Hello! Well, the network has many versions ... official From Popova.A - the Chief Sanitary Doctor ... Tyumen - The first to encounter coronavirus and successfully overcome its consequences ... schools, kindergartens, etc. - in quarantine.
                1. +5
                  12 February 2020 12: 53
                  Those. the most finished, with headstock and infrastructures
                  1. +7
                    12 February 2020 13: 05
                    Oh ... Albert, I would describe the situation, but I can not afford it. For two reasons: the situation is still not clear and mortality is far from two percent ... if you take Chinese sources (18%), the forum member gave numbers lower on the branch.
                    Well and the Second - I am not an alarmist and having no official data on epidemic prevention in My City, I do not want to exaggerate. I can say one thing ... there is constant monitoring of the situation, through groups of Schools, Gardens and Sports sections and Mugs. Plus - monitoring (checking the state and temperature) at the borders of the south of the Region.
                    I - as You know, took up a circular defense in the Village, temporarily leaving the city. wink
                    Let the Children, Spouse, Mom and Sisters (with nephews) - breathe fresh air ... although this bedlam is already tired! laughing
                    1. +5
                      12 February 2020 13: 22
                      Did the right thing
                      In addition to you, are there other people in your village who have left the city?
                      1. +4
                        12 February 2020 13: 50
                        Yes, and not a little! Especially the Kids ... but there is another reason, non-working schools and kindergartens.
                      2. +4
                        12 February 2020 14: 10
                        Correctly
                        Away from the city
        3. +5
          12 February 2020 21: 17
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The forefront of the fight against coronavirus is not Khabarovsk Territory but Tyumen! It was precisely to us that evacuated from China were delivered and a sick Chinese student was found at Us.

          What are pestering viruses? Viruses also want to live.
    2. -2
      12 February 2020 16: 53
      Quote: Arlen
      ЧIsta is the guarantee of health!
      Everything in the article is correctly said.

      And I watched a TV show with an immunologist. So he said that immunity can be reduced, but it cannot be increased, and all these immunostimulants are useless, except for the benefits that they bring to pharmaceutical companies. Literal quote: "The best friends of immunity are cold, hunger and dirt." The doctor gave an example of the blockade. People who survived terrible hunger, cold and unsanitary conditions lived to a ripe old age, because the body itself develops mechanisms to fight infection.
      1. Alf
        +3
        12 February 2020 20: 52
        Quote: AK1972
        The doctor gave an example with blockades. People who survived a terrible hunger, cold and unsanitary conditions lived to a very old age, because the body itself develops mechanisms to fight infection.

        Well, let this doctor himself live in an unheated shed with a toilet in the bushes with three meals a day (Monday, Wednesday, Friday).
  2. 0
    12 February 2020 09: 44
    If everything was so rosy as you say, there wouldn’t be that unprecedented caution in evacuating our citizens from China and the measures taken in Russia. The main danger is the unknown source of infection. If this natural origin is one thing, and if it's a bacteriological weapon it's different. that the Americans have deployed their centers around the world in Georgia, for example. was it in vain that Putin expressed concern about the collection of genetic material by the Americans in Russia? So, let's wait?
    1. +4
      12 February 2020 10: 14
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      So let's wait

      I wonder why ...
      1. +4
        12 February 2020 10: 22
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        So let's wait

        I wonder why ...

        As the army and navy report on a set of measures to protect the population from MP weapons, and seriously, until there is a vaccine, no one is safe from this, a flu epidemic has been raging in the United States since October last year, affecting at least 15 million people, and 8200 died?
        1. +6
          12 February 2020 10: 28
          All these "plagues" are nothing more than a conspiracy of pharmaceutical giants. Their revenues have already exceeded the revenues from the sale of oil and weapons.
      2. +2
        12 February 2020 10: 53
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        So let's wait

        I wonder why ...

        and we no longer know anything. the "circus chapito" program has already been launched ... sit and watch. you will be intimidated, you will be threatened, you will be pitied .. and they will offer to "chip in" as always ...
    2. Alf
      +1
      12 February 2020 20: 54
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Is it in vain that Putin expressed concern about the collection by Americans of genetic material in Russia?

      So the Chinese were covered.
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      and if it’s a bacteriological weapon it’s different.

      Then mortality would be different.
  3. -3
    12 February 2020 09: 47
    "I was lucky, kindergarten ..." - it is noticeable that you are out of luck.
  4. +2
    12 February 2020 09: 47
    All is correct. It is not worth minimizing the danger of a new (!) Coronavirus, it has yet to be studied, including the issue of attachment to the genotype of a particular race. A commonplace habit is to gargle more often (coming from the street, after eating, etc.) with ordinary tap water. A shower before bedtime and in the morning is more important to health than any mummy and ginseng. Less carbohydrates and sweets, regular fiber foods (carrots, beets, cabbage, nuts, apples) - there will be no constipation, the liver will be in order. Down with everything that contains monosodium glutamate, an appetite enhancer and a serious allergen. In short, be healthy!
  5. +5
    12 February 2020 09: 49
    There is a natural selection. He is helped by illness. Including viral. This must be taken calmly. There will still be no second death. It is necessary to temper, increase immunity, it is necessary to work actively. And, judging by reports from the PRC, this new virus simply drives people into depression and isolation. The Chinese are sitting at home. As if it would save them. On the contrary, losing their physical form, they weaken, and it will be more difficult for them to overcome diseases. hi
    1. +11
      12 February 2020 09: 52
      Quote: bessmertniy
      There is a natural selection. He is helped by illness. Including viral. This should be treated calmly.

      It’s easy for you to take it easy, your nickname, as it were, doesn’t have panic laughing hi drinks
      1. +7
        12 February 2020 09: 56
        Nick family, father. However, this did not help him. Although, while working in hazardous production, I survived all my colleagues in the workshop. Well, for ours or something immortality! If not in the flesh, then in our affairs, and our children! drinks
    2. +1
      12 February 2020 10: 56
      Quote: bessmertniy
      There will still be no second death.

      well, so-so argument ... who did not experience the "clinic" .. but nevertheless. yes.
  6. -1
    12 February 2020 09: 50
    Well, Dr. Myasnikov has already said that people began to observe hygiene, not grabbing their faces, not picking their nose, many wear masks (they again protect the face from hands). All this prevents any viral disease. We begin to grow up, in front of a threatening pandemic.
    1. +4
      12 February 2020 11: 00
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Well, Dr. Myasnikov already said that people began to observe hygiene,

      and Dr. Bykov (from the interns) convinced ... that all subsequent generations of doctors, I quote: amoeba spineless, stupid people, primates, zucchini without a brain, anal fistulas (sorry), and so on ... and cho ... everything after the series on healers crawled ...wassat
  7. +12
    12 February 2020 09: 50
    I'll finish off a couple of kopecks. First, there is only panic in the media, thank God. Look for yourself - there are no crowds of downs in masks on the streets (by the way, a mask from viruses is a "chain-link". But a sealed condom just helps against HIV infection wink ) In addition, a bunch of familiar doctors, all unanimously say - even grandmothers do not react. This is artificial, how is that word? Media hype, in short.
    In general, the author is right. These "diseases of the century" - you will evaporate to enumerate ... I remember the same panic about Ebola at least twice in 30 years ...
    1. +5
      12 February 2020 10: 01
      Look for yourself - there are no crowds of downs in masks on the streets (by the way, a mask from viruses is a "chain-link", but a sealed condom just helps against HIV infection wink). In addition, a bunch of familiar doctors, all with one voice say - even grandmothers do not react. It's artificial, what is that word? The hype in the media, in short.

      In vain you call people in masks downs .. they prevent the transmission of the virus .. I think that wearing a mask when an epidemic is happening is right and indicates respect for other people ..
      On the contrary, I noticed how disciplined the Chinese are ... they are all masked .. and we have eternal sloppiness .. and a disregard that can go sideways ..
      1. +3
        12 February 2020 10: 29
        Quote: Svarog
        In vain you call masked people downs .. they prevent the transmission of the virus ..

        Virus. Virus! It's not even a cell, just a large molecule. Strain the vodka from the discharge - the water will pass, the alcohol will remain. The mask helps only partially isolate the already sick person - he exhales less, in the sense that the virus flies "air-droplet", the mask delays the drops.
        1. +1
          12 February 2020 10: 31
          Quote: Cowbra
          Quote: Svarog
          In vain you call masked people downs .. they prevent the transmission of the virus ..

          Virus. Virus! It's not even a cell, just a big molecule. The mask helps only partially isolate an already sick person - he exhales less, in the sense that the virus flies "airborne". here the mask delays the drops.

          That's right, but even so .. when without a mask a person sneezes in a mask, I think the difference is significant, the bacillus scatters much less))
      2. Alf
        +3
        12 February 2020 20: 57
        Quote: Svarog
        In vain you call people in masks downs .. they prevent the transmission of the virus .. I think that wearing a mask when an epidemic is happening is right and indicates respect for other people ..

    2. +1
      12 February 2020 11: 05
      Quote: Cowbra
      I'll finish a couple of cents. Firstly, panic is only in the media, thank God.

      I went to the "Shanghai" store the other day ... yes, the Chinese, and yes, do not care .. but Cho, the government forbade me to go to the "boutiques", but I need to cover up the shame. So I go to China ... by the way, nothing so quality .. has risen. I don’t go in the shoe - the chemistry is off the charts, I can’t breathe, but my trousers ... socks ... shirts ... cho ... I washed it right away ... and nothing like that ...
    3. +8
      12 February 2020 11: 27
      Quote: Cowbra
      In addition, a bunch of familiar doctors, all unanimously say - even grandmothers do not react.

      if you frighten for a long time, then the person just gets tired of being scared and sends everything to ..... Karaganda.
      A disregard for one's health is present. Under the Union, this was due to the fact that medicine owes everything and it will save. Now - they have lost faith in medicine, and to a greater extent, reasonably.
      1. Alf
        +3
        12 February 2020 20: 59
        Quote: Silvestr
        Now - they have lost faith in medicine, and to a greater extent, reasonably.

    4. -1
      12 February 2020 14: 22
      Quote: Cowbra
      but a sealed condom just helps with HIV

      It's easier with this, do not go to women with little social responsibility. Well, about Ebola, this fever is terrible. The media wrote little about her, but in the Congo I had to face it, the glory of Allah carried it. Maybe it's good that the media are shouting about the coronavirus, people have begun to be wary of it, it is better "before than not before." It will carry, well, but the people are already prepared, and will not strike like thunder in the middle of the white sky.
  8. +5
    12 February 2020 09: 51
    Alexander, you want to deprive pharmaceutical monopolies, which release funds to alleviate symptoms, rather than treatment, to make money.
    I want to tell you about an interesting case. I got sick five years ago with the flu. IN TWO days I was cured with tincture of moonshine on TWO herbs. I gave the sediment to a friend who diluted it with vodka. Before that, he had swallowed pills for three days to no avail. Unfortunately, I don’t know the recipe. For I received the "tincture" from third parties.
    1. +4
      12 February 2020 10: 03
      Quote: knn54
      cured tincture of moonshine on TWO herbs

      And what herbs do you remember? .. I generally noticed that the herbs work .. But with a sore throat than you didn’t rinse .. as a result, sage helps a lot, just the pain symptoms disappear in a day, and on the fourth day everything goes away ..
      1. +9
        12 February 2020 10: 15
        Here the main ingredient is moonshine! And herbs are for taste .. laughing
      2. 0
        12 February 2020 11: 13
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: knn54
        cured tincture of moonshine on TWO herbs

        And what herbs do you remember? .. I generally noticed that the herbs work .. But with a sore throat than you didn’t rinse .. as a result, sage helps a lot, just the pain symptoms disappear in a day, and on the fourth day everything goes away ..

        celandine ... here is a really working herb. only need to comply with the measure.
      3. +4
        12 February 2020 14: 46
        Quote: Svarog
        I generally noticed that herbs work ..


        laughing
        In general, in herbs, etc. active substances are + placebo effect + time (if flu is treated, then it goes away in 7 days, if not treated, it lasts a whole week)
        1. +2
          12 February 2020 14: 49
          Quote: Cowbra
          In general, in herbs, etc. active substances are + placebo effect + time (if flu is treated, then it goes away in 7 days, if not treated, it lasts a whole week)

          Canabis laughing this one works for sure .. laughing but seriously, I read that it helps somehow in the fight against cancer .. the Israelis allegedly had research and already have hemp-based medicines ..
          1. +2
            12 February 2020 14: 54
            Cancer cells are normally present in any person. The tumor begins to develop when something "pushes" it. And this is for everyone - strictly individually. and in general ... Coarse food - cancer of the small intestine. low fiber - thick cancer. Choose ...
            And I saw these herbs against cancer ... In the 90s, just these, in bales, the office was opened by fooling. moreover. the bastards that they thought up, next to the central medical library, on the Trade Union. By type, they are related to official medicine, yeah ...
            1. +2
              12 February 2020 14: 59
              Quote: Cowbra
              Rough food is cancer of the small intestine. not enough fiber - colon cancer. Choose ...

              Something will have to be judged by heredity .. mother died of cancer of the small intestine, father from cancer of the large intestine. All this is familiar .. Cancer develops from chronic inflammation .. and if it’s about the intestines, then it’s also bad microflora .. that is, the food really needs to be right ..
              And I saw these herbs against cancer ... In the 90s, just these

              They do not treat herbs there, but some substance is released from cannabis that has a positive effect on some types of cancer ..
              1. 0
                12 February 2020 15: 32
                Kanabis in theory also has a very significant sedative effect. Soothing. And there is such a catch phrase - all illnesses - from nerves. It is truth too
    2. +6
      12 February 2020 10: 11
      the most important component is just diet forty centigrade water. You only need to know the measure Yes
      1. +1
        12 February 2020 10: 17
        Quote: Balu
        the most important component is just diet forty centigrade water. You only need to know the measure Yes

        I have moonshine, on the contrary, immunity decreases, I tried to be treated with moonshine, but the dose was only exceeded, laughing or something else, but it doesn’t help me, on the contrary, it hurts to get sick ..
        1. +3
          12 February 2020 10: 36
          sad Well. All medicine was reduced to the level of moonshine. You have to be more civilized! Vodka, these, like their Tequila with a temple ... What kind of archaism. And the grass should not be torn in the field, but from some New Zealand so that ...
          1. +2
            12 February 2020 10: 57
            Quote: domokl
            Well. All medicine was reduced to the level of moonshine. You have to be more civilized!

            I agree, I think that alcohol is useful in small quantities and not often, but when it comes to the virus, then alcohol will only harm. But most of the pills do not work now either .. and this is as much a fact as the fact that the pills that are sold in Russia have much less active substance than the same, but say in Germany .. or take arbidol. who again began to actively promote, read an article where German doctors called arbidol-dummy .. and I buy herbs in the pharmacy, I was always skeptical of them, but after sage I changed my attitude ..

            And China really demonstrates its organization to the whole world ..
          2. Alf
            +1
            12 February 2020 21: 01
            Quote: domokl
            and from some New Zealand so that ...
            gold was. When a "golden" medicine heals better, it has been tested by pharmaceutical companies. laughing
        2. +3
          12 February 2020 11: 15
          Quote: Svarog
          I have moonshine, on the contrary, immunity decreases, I tried to be treated with moonshine, but the dose was only exceeded,

          ha ... so this is inconsistent ... it happens ... yin-yang comes with experience. Zen is shorter ... Yes
      2. +3
        12 February 2020 10: 30
        One of the best medicines is fruit drink or tincture of wild forest berries. And the work.
        As I started working as a forester, I never caught a cold at all.
        1. +3
          12 February 2020 11: 19
          Quote: BARKAS
          As I started working as a forester, I never caught a cold at all.

          but I didn’t start working as a forester, I never caught a cold ... the main thing is to dry everywhere, and to shoe-dress correctly. dampness is a disease and a cold. that's all. laughing the formula is simple: soaking-cold-cooled-completely cooled.
      3. +4
        12 February 2020 10: 47
        With age, I come to the conclusion that many diseases are treated with water, many with alcohol, and the rest with herbs. As an example, varicose veins.
        1. +2
          12 February 2020 10: 58
          Quote: Galleon
          With age, I come to the conclusion that many diseases are treated with water, many with alcohol, and the rest with herbs. As an example, varicose veins.

          I agree! But about varicose veins, it is best treated with surgery, my wife had a vein removed, a year ago, now she feels great, both externally and her leg doesn’t hurt anymore ..
          But the water .. I heard that the Japanese in the morning drink 100 ml on an empty stomach .. water and treat gastritis, tried it, it works.
          1. +2
            12 February 2020 11: 24
            Quote: Svarog
            But the water .. I heard that the Japanese in the morning drink 100 ml on an empty stomach .. water and treat gastritis, tried it, it works.

            this is not our method ... we always if you feel sick :(! ten!) drops of water, a glass of vodka ... three (! 3!) times a day ... in short, one day is enough ... then we got sober and to work ... (without being sober, you violate the TB instruction.)
            1. +3
              12 February 2020 14: 21
              Grandfather, well, there’s an old way to treat ulcers with undiluted alcohol))
              1. Alf
                +2
                12 February 2020 21: 04
                Quote: Galleon
                Grandfather, well, there’s an old way to treat ulcers with undiluted alcohol))

                Well, you, old alcoholic professionals, tie up, the article is about something else, and you again moved to the eternal topic. laughing
          2. +1
            12 February 2020 14: 21
            Glad your operation helped your wife. My wife had 2 vascular operations: one at vascular surgeons of the Pokrovsky school, the other with a laser in a private clinic. Veins crawled out after a while. Pouring cold water helped.
  9. +1
    12 February 2020 09: 54
    I am not a doctor. Speaking in modern youth language

    Silence can not notify the population! - Put the comma correctly!
    Nothing new. A simple, it would seem, choice, but no, the problem is being wound up such that it cannot be untwisted by the whole world.
    In general, everyone is a "builder" of their own health!
  10. -7
    12 February 2020 10: 03
    In China, cities have been dug up by ditches, everything is blocked by the military, a hospital has been built specifically for patients with coronavirus, all cities are treated with a special solution, production has stopped (including in other countries, for example, the Kamaz plant, the NHL complains that they have stopped receiving clubs from China and etc.)
    And after all this they write that the mortality rate is 2%, that 40 thousand are infected. Are you seriously?
    And why did production stop if mortality is 3 times higher with flu? And why does the virus act selectively and only the Chinese get sick?
    In fact, everything is much more serious than we are told.
    Check the internet. Hospitals are littered with corpses, unconscious people and corpses are lying on the streets. And do not say that this is a production. According to unofficial data, more than 100 thousand people have already died. Only such a figure of mortality can lead to such unprecedented protective measures and the consequences now observed.
    1. +2
      12 February 2020 10: 18
      Quote: glory1974
      According to unofficial data, more than 100 thousand people have already died.

      Why are there 100 thousand. Even more unofficial, billioniards are dead. Three more billions of patients. We do not believe in WHO, but "unofficial data" is the very thing, we continue to "watch the Internet".
      1. +1
        12 February 2020 10: 50
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: glory1974
        According to unofficial data, more than 100 thousand people have already died.

        Why are there 100 thousand. Even more unofficial, billioniards are dead. Three more billions of patients. We do not believe in WHO, but "unofficial data" is the very thing, we continue to "watch the Internet".

        Alexei, I suspect aliens, but the Martians certainly have nothing to do with it. There, near Wuhan, no one saw these on plates? belay
      2. +1
        12 February 2020 11: 45
        Quote: Volodin
        Yes, there are 100 thousand. By even more unofficial, the billiards has died.

        Lyokha ... well ... measure it ... observe ... well, a million, well, ten, well, a hundred of their mother ... well, Lyokha? you're a messenger ... yard .... it's ... no, Lyoha, we have something to talk about with you. come, in PM all the coordinates if you want, and the liver will allow.
      3. +1
        12 February 2020 13: 30
        We do not believe the WHO, but "unofficial data" is the very thing, we continue to "watch the Internet".

        Watch TV. Did a Chinese professor speak, or do you not believe him either? He said that only the Chinese are infected with the virus. In nature, such a mutation cannot be, which means it is of man-made origin.
        But if the Chinese are lying, continue to remain blissfully ignorant.
    2. +2
      12 February 2020 10: 39
      [/ quote] Take a look online. Hospitals are littered with corpses, unconscious people and corpses are lying on the streets. And do not say that this is a production. According to unofficial data, more than 100 thousand people have already died. Only such a mortality rate can lead to such unprecedented protective measures and the consequences now observed. [Quote]


      View the Internet? You can just as well look in a trash bin. Every year in the world, hundreds of thousands of people die from complications, including acute respiratory infections and influenza. It's unavoidable. Viruses "want to live" and adapt to their environment. And other deadly ailments are darkness. Remember the statement of Professor Preobrazhensky about newspapers. Take the book of K.I. Chukovsky and re-read. Agree with the author of the article:
      "And to the unclean chimney sweeps shame and disgrace!"
      1. +2
        12 February 2020 13: 28
        Watch the internet? You can just as well look into the trash can

        And you choose what to watch. There is a video from hospitals that doctors shoot, which work at the forefront. Of course, why should they believe, they all lie.
        Every year, hundreds of thousands of people die in the world from complications caused by including acute respiratory infections and the flu.

        And when did you apply such safety measures, as now?
        My comment is that the situation is much more serious than we are told.
    3. +2
      12 February 2020 10: 41
      Quote: glory1974
      According to unofficial data, more than 100 thousand people have already died. Only such a death rate can lead to such unprecedented protective measures and the consequences that are now being observed.

      Oh, this Internet and people close to official sources. There are people in governments too. And nothing human is alien to them. And then, in such situations, double, triple, hundred reinsurance does not interfere. Scientists will figure out what's what and everything will fall into place. The Chinese have now shown the world their capabilities, which many did not even realize. Both us and the Americans, not to mention all Europeans and Japanese, still have to grow and grow before them.
    4. +2
      12 February 2020 12: 43
      Quote: glory1974
      And after all this they write that the mortality rate is 2%, that 40 thousand are infected. Are you seriously?
      And why did production stop if mortality is 3 times higher with flu? AND


      Mortality is the ratio of the deceased to the sum of the recovered and the dead -
      on 12.20.20, 1116 died, 4975 recovered. 1116 / (1116 + 4975) * 100 = 18,322% mortality - a week ago this figure was 32,8% - overall, the dynamics of recovering are improving - obviously, treatment measures bring results!
      1. +1
        12 February 2020 14: 03
        This is not because of the treatment, but because of the evolution of the virus. It demonstrates adaptation to a new host (human). During the "transition" from snakes to humans, it turned out that it was able to successfully infect and the initial mortality was very high. In the course of further spread, the virus is already changing - a high degree of infection remains, but the lethality is gradually decreasing. It is "unprofitable" for a virus to kill its host; it is much more "profitable" to "save his life" in order to use his resources for his own reproduction. There are many examples (the Epstein-Bara virus, and the herpes virus). A similar situation was at one time with syphillis (there is a bacterium, and an effect at the level of race, not species). High mortality when meeting Europeans, gradual "adaptation" of the bacteria and four hundred years later, syphillis no longer kills for six months or a year as before.
        The panic was appropriate because it was not clear how quickly the virus could spread. Well done Chinese - in time they introduced large-scale quarantine and were able to protect themselves (and by and large, not only themselves). I wang that:
        - at the end of the year the epidemic will come to naught;
        - later there will be local outbreaks of virus strains, but without such effects;
        - until 2030 there will be three or four new unknown viral epidemics of a similar scale (the number of those who have lost; mortality; spread rate);
        - the end of the world will come when the AIDS virus "learns" to be transmitted by mosquitoes smile
  11. -2
    12 February 2020 10: 13
    It started back in school. I'm lucky kindergarten for me is terra incognita

    Fish oil, which had to be swallowed several times daily

    one question arises, and where did the author swallow fish oil, he was given just in kindergarten, it’s like he didn’t go feel
    1. 0
      12 February 2020 10: 43
      I answer. In our closed town there was an excellent medical service. And mom got fish oil right there. And they gave everyone a child a tablespoon.
      1. -1
        12 February 2020 11: 35
        you decide whether a good medical service or the imposition of "fears of new diseases"
        1. +1
          12 February 2020 12: 09
          How did you get all this connected? Childhood memories of fish oil from rickets and a modern way to create panic in large groups of people?
          1. -1
            12 February 2020 12: 28
            it’s not with me it’s all in a heap
      2. Alf
        +2
        12 February 2020 21: 06
        Quote: domokl
        And they gave everyone a child a tablespoon.

        Without taking into account his desire.
  12. +4
    12 February 2020 10: 14
    Hygiene is the basis of health. Hysteria is organized by pharmaceutical companies for the successful sale of dietary supplements, vitamins and other crap.
    1. +2
      12 February 2020 13: 15
      Quote: AleBors
      Hysteria is organized by pharmaceutical companies for the successful sale of dietary supplements, vitamins and other crap.



      Here is a photo - elevators and stairwells in Beijing’s houses are daily processed - statistics on this city today for 12 million people:
      Confirmed: 352 (confirmed infected)
      Deaths: 3 (died)
      Recovered: 56 (Recovered)

      And in fact, the city does not work - billions in losses. And so on in all the cities of China!
      That is, they are serious there - they said not to work and stay at home - they don't work and sit at home.

      Imagine - the city is larger than Moscow and a hundred times richer - but everyone understands the danger and listen - from the heads of enterprises to private traders and DO NOT WORK.
      Already 2 weeks as they should after the Chinese New Year.
      And all this does not mean anything to you?
      Moscow will not work for 2 weeks - they will also carry about bad foods ...
      1. 0
        12 February 2020 14: 14
        It only tells me that the Chinese are taking the problem too seriously. Although this is probably correct, taking into account the population density (from 139 to 400 people / sq. Km), it is only like this in Moscow and St. Petersburg and not everywhere .. I just didn’t hear that quarantine was announced in Moscow.
        But the majority in a panic make good money.
        China used interesting economic tactics, circled everyone’s finger and earned more than $ 20 billion in a couple of days. Plus, it returned about 30% of the shares of its own monopolies. Xi Jinping fooled the EU and America, and how beautiful! Before the eyes of the whole world, he played everything as if by notes.
        Previously, part of the shares of technology companies belonged to foreign investors, Americans and Europeans, which means that almost half of the income from the heavy and chemical industries went not to the treasury of China, but to the accounts of “financial sharks” in Europe. Due to the situation in Wuhan, the yuan began to plummet, but the Central Bank did nothing to support the yuan. There were even rumors that China simply did not have masks to fight the coronovirus.
        These rumors and statements by Xi Jinping that he is ready and will protect the people of Wuhan led to a big drop in the price of shares of Chinese technology companies, and the “financial sharks” began to put up for sale shares until they completely depreciated.
        Xi Jinping waited all week and only smiled at press conferences, and when the price fell below the plinth, he gave the command to sharply buy up shares from all Europeans and Americans at the same time.
        Until these “financial sharks" realized that they had been circled around their finger, it was too late: the shares were in the hands of the PRC. Not only has China earned more than $ 20 billion over these days, but it has also returned the shares of its companies to China. Now the income from technology and chemistry will not go abroad, but will remain in China, the yuan rises by itself, and China’s gold and foreign exchange reserves do not need to be spent on its support, and the “financial sharks” of Europe are left with their noses, they were circled around the finger. In a matter of minutes, they bought stocks that bring billions of dollars from them and left them without income from technology and chemistry. Such a brilliant operation has not yet happened in the history of the stock market ...
        1. +1
          12 February 2020 14: 35
          Quote: AleBors
          These rumors and statements by Xi Jinping that he is ready and will protect the people of Wuhan led to a big drop in the price of shares of Chinese technology companies, and the “financial sharks” began to put up for sale shares until they completely depreciated.
          Xi Jinping waited all week and only smiled at press conferences, and when the price fell below the plinth, he gave the command to sharply buy up shares from all Europeans and Americans at the same time.


          Something I do not see the renminbi drawdown at the auction
          the average exchange rate is 6,96 yuan per dollar.
          Well, if someone really threw off the shares in a panic, it means that someone has earned on this.
          "Sharply buying" is not a stock term at all - I think you are quoting a fake.
          The exchange loves "silence" when you need to buy something cheaper.
  13. +1
    12 February 2020 10: 19
    You are some kind, dear author. Do you have anything to do except scare viruses?
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    1. -1
      12 February 2020 10: 45
      The figure is taken from the speech of the Minister of Health of the Khabarovsk Territory.
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      2. +4
        12 February 2020 12: 53
        Quote: domokl
        The figure is taken from the speech of the Minister of Health of the Khabarovsk Territory.


        Such ministers need to be retrained in school.

        mortality is the ratio of the dead to the sum of the dead and recovering * 100
        Count yourself before broadcasting the ravings of ministers.
    2. +4
      12 February 2020 12: 52
      Quote from rudolf
      "... the mortality rate of the new virus is 2,1%." Not true. This figure is taken from the total number of cases, but how many of them die or recover is unknown. This is a speculative assessment.


      That's right - today the mortality rate is 18%, a week ago 32,8%
  15. +2
    12 February 2020 10: 46
    We agreed that a condom will save you from the virus! And literate people who graduated from universities believed in this. Mesh netting will not miss a fly to your site ...
    That is why it was necessary to include this spoon of obscurantism in the article with the correct message? There is also research: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26488070
  16. +3
    12 February 2020 11: 08
    The article "I am not a doctor, but now I will tell you what and how to do." laughing
  17. +2
    12 February 2020 11: 13
    They have already written a hundred times - an infected person should wear a mask so as not to infect healthy people ......
  18. +1
    12 February 2020 11: 13
    Quote: Galleon
    With age, I come to the conclusion that many diseases are treated with water, many with alcohol, and the rest with herbs. As an example, varicose veins.

    Strong alcohol tincture on herbs - THREE in One! :)
    1. 0
      12 February 2020 22: 08
      Quote: Sentinel-vs
      Strong alcohol tincture on herbs - THREE in One! :)

      This is an option in which the dose is reduced dramatically. For it is said: "Do no harm!" Yes
  19. -4
    12 February 2020 11: 15
    I support the author. Recall during the Second World War - Cowards and PANIKEROV shoot on the spot, and right now I panic how, and, in many ways, it seems, comes from pharmaceutical companies, and drug prices are rising. But prankers such as in the subway, it’s popular to smack and admin punishment in the form of cleaning public toilets, with toothbrushes.
  20. +2
    12 February 2020 11: 22
    ... a cure for stupidity and greed!

    does not exist! It was, is and will be!
  21. +1
    12 February 2020 11: 48
    Everything is simple. More people - epidemics are larger.
  22. +3
    12 February 2020 12: 30
    It’s not scary that this same coronavirus will hit my city and my country, and we will die out like dinosaurs.


    But who needs to scare?
    The situation is very serious and only by introducing unprecedented measures, it is possible to control the spread of the epidemic.
    But according to the reports it can be seen that the situation is localized in two Chinese cities - blocked.

    At the moment, there is no movement of goods between the Chinese provinces, the minimum number of personnel is working (special passes are issued, the rest are asked not to go to work).
    And it really helped to localize the outbreaks of the epidemic.

    Your business is how to perceive this information - as a threat or as a warning and openness to the authorities, each one determines, depending on the degree of his anxiety.

    Here is a site with daily monitoring of the situation - it can be seen that the increase in the incidence rate broke about 3 days ago from a geometric progression, moved to a linear one, and there may be a decrease.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html%20%20%20#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
    1. 0
      13 February 2020 10: 53
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      it can be seen that the increase in the incidence rate broke about 3 days ago from a geometric progression, moved to a linear one, and maybe the decline will begin there.
      Not broken, 15000 sick per day and 300 dead
  23. +4
    12 February 2020 12: 50
    Panic artificially fanned today


    Well, this is the author’s conviction that panic is fanned.

    Millionaires do not block cities every day - in a country with which we have a common border.
    A week ago, mortality exceeded 30%, if not for the unprecedented measures of the Chinese government, which managed to contain the epidemic at the cost of China being almost completely quarantined - plants do not work, transport companies stand - from this week they were allowed to work on special passes - others were not recommended go to work - and this is in cities that are not quarantined.
    A very correct decision, since the incubation period is from 3 hours to 24 days.

    The country has voluntarily decided to quarantine, which brings enormous losses, but this is the most effective measure against the epidemic.

    https://news.mail.ru/economics/40519858/?frommail=1
  24. +1
    12 February 2020 13: 00
    With painful anguish, I recall the time when there was one faceted glass in the soda machine, from which he drank both old and young, and an engineer and a worker ...
    1. Alf
      +2
      12 February 2020 21: 10
      Quote: TANKISTONE
      With painful anguish, I recall the time when there was one faceted glass in the soda machine, from which he drank both old and young, and an engineer and a worker ...

      So every day he was sterilized with vodka ...
  25. -1
    12 February 2020 13: 14
    Russia 24 - The Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare stated that no overstatement of prices was found in pharmacies as a result of inspections. From so from.
  26. +2
    12 February 2020 13: 32
    quote] We agreed that a condom will save you from the virus! And literate people who graduated from universities believed in this. [/ quote]
    It’s immediately obvious that you are not only not a doctor, but also a user, at least ACTIVE BUT NOT QUALIFIED.
    Doctors did not make such a statement and terminology; this is just for unskilled users.
    Actually it was said about reducing the likelihood of infection. Moreover, I will say it was clearly said that a condom does not make this probability zero. DO YOU DOUBT TO REDUCE THE PROBABILITY OF HIV INFECTION BY USING THE CONDITIONS?

    This is generally a known issue. To explain something to people without basic knowledge in a certain field is not an easy task. Usually they go either along the path of simplifying the model, or along the path of a priori instructions.
  27. +1
    12 February 2020 15: 13
    when talking, coughing or sneezing. The mask will save you from this
    Do you put a mask on your eyes too? The mask helps if it is on a sick person, does not allow the virus to spread outside the mask. That is why masks for influenza and coronovirus are ineffective, eyes must also be protected.
    1. -1
      12 February 2020 16: 01
      Do you put a mask on your eyes too?

      FFP3 mask, safety glasses are quite construction.
      The likelihood of getting sick is reduced by 2 orders of magnitude, taking into account genetics (Russian) and an adamant age (<70), personally I can not be worried.
  28. +2
    12 February 2020 16: 21
    I didn’t want to write but okay.
    I myself am understandably not a microbiologist, but a mathematician, but in the 90s I worked at the Gabrichevsky Institute (who knows, he understands). Therefore, in matters of the spread of such epidemics, I understand more doctors (this is a solid mathematical modeling).
    About the panic. Panic is harmful especially in epidemics.
    Regarding mortality from coronavirus and influenza. Mortality from the corona of the virus is not at all 2% but 20%. 2% is just for the models, not yet confirmed by anything, so long as everything is much worse than the flu.
    About the number of cases. Everything is complicated here without preparation not to understand. The general meaning is this: it is not the current situation that causes the alarm, but the forecast. But they still cannot give an accurate forecast. My forecast will all be decided in a month or the epidemic will end or turn into a full-fledged pandemic. Moreover, infection in the Russian Federation will come not from China, but from Central Asia.
    About the personal relationship. You can certainly say all this the pharmacists have come up with and nothing needs to be done. Your right. Personally, I bought the necessary protective equipment (FFP3 masks, goggles, RPG-67 respirator,), I already had quartz and disinfectants. In addition, I have fuel for a couple of thousand kilometers and ample cartridge. It’s not bad to have all this without relation to the virus, so the supply pocket does not pull.
  29. 0
    12 February 2020 16: 48
    The headline is tin), you need not to panic, but your immunity needs to be strengthened, otherwise a banal outbreak of infection will grow into a pandemic .. The first persons of the medicine advise Polyoxidonium for its effectiveness and high degree of safety, it has been on sale for 20 years and has helped a huge number of people not to get a viral infection. Six months ago, the course passed, it’s time to help the body again and not think about any viruses.
    1. Alf
      +1
      12 February 2020 21: 11
      Quote: Arsen77
      The first persons of the medicine advise Polyoxidonium for its effectiveness and high degree of safety,

      and for the big oh rollback.
      1. -1
        13 February 2020 11: 14
        Polyoxidonium is an immunomodulator. Serious doctors treat these drugs very carefully.
        Because how it works is extremely muddy (the system is complex), the efficiency is low, and the long-term consequences are foggy.
        The only cure remains antiviral agents, the problem is that they have not created a universal remedy, like broad-based antibiotics.
  30. +1
    13 February 2020 05: 01
    The author says everything correctly .. The lobby with the pharmaceutical companies scare people and thereby earn money! money is worth it and not small! so .. the question is as usual .. MONEY! and greed and greed of individuals for money!
  31. 0
    14 February 2020 20: 01
    I am following. It began at the end of December. Since then, despite all the measures taken, almost exponential growth. Some kind of very contagious this infection. if it goes on like this, after 6-10 months half the planet will get sick. The vaccine will be in a year and a half, there are no drugs. I am glad that the mortality rate is low.
  32. 0
    18 February 2020 12: 39
    I did not understand the comment about condom and AIDS.