The Chinese media commented on the statements about the possible acquisition of a batch of Su-57 from Russia


A large Chinese publication Sina published material in which the authors comment on statements about the possibility of China acquiring a small batch of Russian new-generation fighter aircraft Su-57. Such statements were made by the Chinese experts themselves, as well as by military experts from Russia and the United States. The main goal of buying a small batch of Su-57 from Russia, as reported, could be the study of technologies used by Russian manufacturers.


Sina is quite skeptical of the idea of ​​acquiring several fifth-generation Su-57 fighters from Russia. The article says that at the first stage of production, the export version of the Su-57 (Su-57E) may differ significantly from the version for the Russian aerospace forces. The Chinese author writes that Russia is too unlikely that after the adoption of the latest fighter aircraft by the Russian Aerospace Forces, it will expose their modifications with a second-stage engine.

This in the Chinese media makes it clear that the latest engines of the Russian Su-57 are of the greatest interest in China. Several fighters with engines of the second stage are currently being tested in our country.

Also in China, they were skeptical of an article in The National Interest, where the point of view was expressed that China needed the acquisition of the Su-57 in order to make significant changes to the design of its new generation J-20 fighter. Given that China considers its J-20 the best fifth-generation fighter in the world, dissatisfaction with the article in NI is easily explained.

Su-57 was supposed to go into service with the Russian Air Force in December last year. However, during the acceptance tests, the plane crashed.
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  1. Maestro Alexander 10 February 2020 09: 34 New
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    As I understand it, we are talking about a couple of cars. Also I am of the opinion that they will disassemble to the cogs.
    1. Pecheneg 10 February 2020 09: 38 New
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      Less than 24 units will not be sold, as with the Su-35
      1. figwam 10 February 2020 09: 45 New
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        There is no need to sell with a second stage engine.
        1. LifeIsGood 10 February 2020 09: 47 New
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          Well, the engines there are clearly not "native" there, but export, like the rest of the filling.
          1. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 10: 10 New
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            Curious, what is the meaning of the word "non-native" you mean? What ed. 117th ed. 30 for designed exclusively for fifty dollars. My personal opinion is that none of the above engines can be called "not native." Or do you propose to put a completely different engine?
    2. LifeIsGood 10 February 2020 09: 38 New
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      Not not 2-3 ... so much no one buys. Here I think there is a conversation about 10 - 12 pcs. one squadron. Not more.
      1. Maestro Alexander 10 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        Maybe.
        Confused phrase
        China's acquisition of a small batch
        1. bessmertniy 10 February 2020 10: 15 New
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          A large country must buy in large quantities. And China is all old-fashioned. Trying to save. While they sort it out, they will understand that it is necessary to copy it, they will arrange the release - time will pass, and on our SU-57 some improvements will already have time to happen. repeat
    3. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 10: 21 New
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      Quote: Maestro Alexander
      Also I am of the opinion that they will disassemble to the cogs.

      To the molecules
    4. knn54 10 February 2020 10: 27 New
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      Let them buy, without knowledge of the manufacturing process, metal science the “clone” will turn out to be an order of magnitude worse both in terms of economy and resource.
    5. Thrifty 10 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      They can’t be sold to the Chinese at all, in any quantity, even with a 300 percent mark-up!
  2. Magic archer 10 February 2020 09: 39 New
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    Yeah, that's what they sold you. We can send a lip-closing machine in the form of a pencil for free. In general, it would be time to tie up to supply China with the latest weapons, knowing that he was copying it stupidly and then exhibiting at exhibitions as his own developments. China does not export ANYTHING to its advanced developments. From this we draw conclusions hi
    1. Aleksandr21 10 February 2020 09: 54 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      Yeah, that's what they sold you. We can send a lip-rolling machine in the form of a pencil for free ...


      In vain you doubt, the example with the S-400 is very revealing. And they will sell the Su-57 to China, it’s only a matter of time and quantity, it’s clear that China wants to buy a small batch for analysis, and ours are interested in selling the batch as much as possible.
      1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 10: 28 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr21
        S-400 example is very revealing

        What is indicative?
        Has the country's defenses collapsed?
        And the Su-57 will be sold to China, e

        They will sell it. For this, the arms market exists.
        Only who told you that they are selling exactly the weapons that come to our troops? Are you familiar with the export option?
        The hostages are selling their fu 35 in all and no one there is outraged over the puddle. They well understand that if there is a demand for any product, it must be sold
        1. Aleksandr21 10 February 2020 11: 36 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          What is indicative?
          Has the country's defenses collapsed?


          It is indicative that we are ready to trade in any weapon, for example, the same S-400 plays an important role in the country's defense capability and in the USSR we would think a hundred times whether it is worth selling such critical weapons for export.

          Quote: Lipchanin
          Only who told you that they are selling exactly the weapons that come to our troops? Are you familiar with the export option?


          Take an interest in which S-400s left Turkey, unpleasantly surprised. The basic option is that they were delivered to the army and sold abroad. And I wouldn’t pay much attention to the “e” index, but some characteristics of the equipment will be cut off, but it’s impossible to say that it will be a different plane, if the Chinese take the Su-57, they will take it with the second stage engine, and I personally there is no doubt that if China wants it, there will be a deal with Russia. And about exports, I agree this is a common practice in the world.
          1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 11: 54 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr21
            Is it worth selling such critical weapons for export?

            Is this an offensive weapon? Will it somehow threaten us?

            Take an interest in which S-400 left Turkey

            The basic option is that they were delivered to the army and sold abroad.

            How do you know that? Have you seen a contract with your own eyes?
            It always amazes me how some people think that besides them no one thinks about the security of Russia.
            Everything from the signatories to the developers of the same weapons, and this is not one or two people, just dream of how to sell the most secret weapons that could harm Russia?
            Yes, before at least one contract is signed, more than one person, not one department will examine it under a microscope. Such changes will be made to the design that it simply cannot harm the Russian Federation. make it so that any attempt to get into the electronics of the same rocket will lead to its destruction.
            In your opinion, without the approval of the FSB, at least one military contract will be signed?
            At least one missile unexplored by experts will cross the border?
            So sleep well. To? Roma you have someone to worry about protecting secrets and ensuring the country's defense
            1. Aleksandr21 10 February 2020 11: 58 New
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              Export S-400 will be from the basic versions for the Russian Federation
              S-400 air defense systems will be delivered to foreign customers in a version adapted to the armed forces of a specific country, Dmitry Shugaev, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS), said on Thursday, RIA Novosti reports.


              “There is a basic thing. But our system is for the Russian Federation, it is designed for the Russian Federation. Potentially for country x, it will work for country x, and so on. Not in the fundamental sense of the word, that it has different parameters, it will simply be adapted to the national air defense systems of a particular country, ”he said, answering the question whether technology transfer is being discussed when delivering S-400 systems to Turkey, India and China.
              Earlier, Shugaev said that the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system cannot be copied.



              Source: Military Industrial Courier MIC.
              1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 10 New
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                Quote: Aleksandr21
                Source: Military Industrial Courier MIC.

                And you think that everything will be written there?
                The concept of State and military secrets does not apply to it?
                S-400 air defense systems will be delivered to foreign customers in a country adapted to the armed forces

                So they adapt in such a way that by no means can she threaten us
                There is a basic thing. But our system is for the Russian Federation, it is designed for the Russian Federation. e.

                Well, where is the sale of missiles supplied by our air defense?
                Potentially for country “x,” it will work for country “x,” and so on.

                So they don’t put what we have there
                Earlier, Shugaev said that the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system cannot be copied.

                What do you dislike here?
            2. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 12: 14 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              Will it somehow threaten us?

              indirectly. In the global arms market. Like a competing system. Remember the tender for the supply of air defense / missile defense systems in Turkey, where China won with its clone S-300 (and only pressure from the United States did not allow the tender to go into the contract - they promised Ankara Patriots on favorable terms). Take off the pink glasses

              Quote: Lipchanin
              It always amazes me how some people think that besides them no one thinks about the security of Russia.

              and I am always struck by the naive. Now they think more about how to fill their pocket, and after us - the grass does not grow.

              Quote: Lipchanin
              make it so that any attempt to get into the electronics of the same rocket will lead to its destruction.

              rzhunimagu))) Well, how can you be so naive? Or technically illiterate?

              Quote: Lipchanin
              To? Roma you have someone to worry about protecting secrets and ensuring the country's defense

              oh yes, once we watched the whole country ... how we cherished, how we cared ...
              1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 18 New
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                Quote: Gregory_45
                where China won with its S-300 clone (and only pressure from the USA did not allow the tender to go into the contract

                Yes, let poverty buy clones. These clones will begin to explode at their start, and then they will come to us
                1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 12: 31 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  They will begin to explode these clones at the start

                  the Chinese do not explode. The wave itself is tolerably fly.
              2. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 21 New
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                Quote: Gregory_45
                and I am always struck by the naive.

                And I’m self-confident who sacredly believe that they alone are rooting for Russia, while everyone else is only thinking about how to spoil it.
                I have no more desire to talk with you
                1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 12: 33 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  while everyone else just thinks how to spoil her

                  learn to read. I did not say shit - I said to fill my pockets, caring only about my skin.

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  I have no more desire to talk with you

                  since you don’t understand the interlocutor, yes. I also have no desire to communicate with you. hi
          2. Ka-52 10 February 2020 12: 16 New
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            Aleksandr21 (Alexander)
            It is indicative that we are ready to trade in any weapon, for example, the same S-400 plays an important role in the country's defense capability and in the USSR we would think a hundred times whether it is worth selling such critical weapons for export.

            before you start flapping indignantly READ OUT into the text of the article. You begin to comment on what the article does not say a word! The article cites the words Sina (China) in assumption The National Interest (USA) about possible China's procurement of the Su-57. Where did you see the Rosvooruzhenie statement there?
        2. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 12: 08 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          What is indicative?

          the fact that everything is sold, even modern high-tech weapons, which themselves are not very many. Especially the Chinese, these "photocopiers"

          Quote: Lipchanin
          The hostages are selling their fu 35 in all and no one there is outraged over the puddle.

          F-35 - initially an international project, and get it either those countries that took part in the creation of the aircraft, or the closest allies. And then the Americans do not provide everything - in particular, the software codes of the aircraft were not transmitted to anyone (with the possible exception of Israel)
          1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 25 New
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            Quote: Gregory_45
            that everything is sold, even modern high-tech weapons, of which there are not very many.

            Which one did you sell?
            in particular, aircraft software codes were not transmitted to anyone (with the possible exception of Israel)

            And where did you get the idea that we transmit such codes including "friend or foe"?
            1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 12: 30 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              Which one did you sell?

              don't pretend to be a prankster. On top of the S-400 they wrote, or, for you, is it already obsolete and low-tech weapons? And the Su-35 is also outdated?

              Quote: Lipchanin
              And where did you get the idea that we transmit such codes including "friend or foe"?

              about hospidya .... You really do not understand what they are talking with you, or carefully mow? The Chinese do not need our defendant, they will put their own. The point is another, more important. In particular, with regard to air defense systems - a radar, guidance system, fuel missiles. Look deeper and wider hi
              1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 55 New
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                Quote: Gregory_45
                don't pretend to be a prankster

                With labels more careful.
                On top of the S-400 they wrote, or, for you, is it already obsolete and low-tech weapons?

                Not entirely outdated, but not new.
                And about the high-tech ...
                So you can’t copy technology on Xerox
                How many years have Americans bought our RD-180? And they’re not copying anything. Well, they can’t do such a technology for themselves. You still wrote there that we were selling, which we ourselves did not have enough.
                Is this a S-400 deficit?
                And the Su-35 is also outdated?

                And what's so high-tech? Engines? So the Chinese have long had them.
                Only they can’t copy them in any way
                The Chinese do not need our defendant, they will put their own.

                So in any rocket, this is the most important element.
                The whole stink was that now we can’t shoot down Turkish planes since we sold them these codes
                . In particular, with regard to air defense systems - this is a radar, guidance system

                Well? What is the problem? What is the threat to us?
                rocket fuel.

                Is it such a secret? laughing Also say that the fuel for the Su-35 is a great secret laughing
                Look deeper and wider

                Yeah, nowhere is shirsha laughing
                So much rubbish to pile up laughing
                1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 13: 09 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  How many years have Americans bought our RD-180? And they’re not copying anything.

                  Well, they don’t need it. It’s cheaper for them to buy ready-made products in Russia than to copy an outdated engine. And their - yes, they slowly make their own

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Is this a S-400 deficit?

                  Did we close the whole territory, did they replace all S-300 with them? Not? Keep quiet

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  And the Su-35 is also outdated?

                  And what's so high-tech?

                  lo and behold ..) Firstly, this is our main fighter. Secondly, in addition to the engine, do you know other systems in the airplane? There is at least still a radar there. And the Su-35 was sold to China exactly in the same configuration as the plane goes to the Russian aerospace forces. We think we are straining the gray matter ...)

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  The Chinese do not need our defendant, they will put their own.

                  So in any rocket, this is the most important element.

                  in which rocket ?????! Do you even own materiel? The interrogator is part of the complex, and it is logical that the Chinese will install it on their own, coupled with their air defense system. And the complex will easily bring down everything that does not belong to the Chinese Air Force

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  rocket fuel.

                  Is it such a secret?

                  and you do not dumb stupidly over what you do not know. The composition and technology of pouring solid fuel into a rocket with the same volume will allow to increase the flight range of the rocket 1,5–2 times. What can now be seen on modern missiles and rockets for MLRS. With the same dimensions, the rocket flies much further - and all because of new fuel.

                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Yeah, nowhere is shirsha
                  So much rubbish to pile up

                  you bullshit. I recommend fewer smiling smiles, more technical (and not only) literacy. Learn materiel, uncle hi
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2020 09: 58 New
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      S-400 is being sold, since, from the point of view of the Russian military-industrial complex, this is already a completed stage, on the approach of the S-500. And the Chinese even could not fully copy the Su-33. All their "analogues" can be called such conditionally. But they actively trade in drones, because they are cheap and cheerful, and there is nothing super-technological there. And they will not sell their J-20 to anyone, because there is definitely nothing technological there, with the exception of Russian engines, perhaps.
      1. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 10: 19 New
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        Do not consider it nitpicking, but the terms should be handled more carefully.
        The word manufacturability is nothing more than a complex characteristic of a product / part that expresses the convenience of its production. And I strongly doubt that people in the Celestial Empire (not like you and me) live in every possible way striving to produce products to the detriment of that same technological effectiveness. The entire experience of producing copies and replicas in China over the past 50 years is precisely aimed at reducing the cost of production. Not always due to the notorious manufacturability, often due to the cost of materials and wages, but one is not separable from the other.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2020 10: 52 New
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          The Chinese produce what they can produce. No more no less. They have very good household appliances and electronics, which is why the whole world uses them, including India.
          But the armament is completely special. All the most advanced achievements in the field of science are primarily applied in the military-industrial complex. It is one thing to build 50 destroyer corps, but quite another to equip them.
          In particular, all the missile achievements of China are mediated by the mess in Russia in the nineties, and then by the same thing in Ukraine.
          1. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 11: 04 New
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            And where does technology work?
            Maybe you still had in mind another term - the level of technology, for example, the level of science or the level of technology?
            As I wrote earlier, manufacturability is somewhat different. Relatively speaking, this is when you want to make a hole in a part. From a technology point of view, this can be done in different ways. It can be cheap on a drilling machine, but it can be expensive and low-tech on a CNC milling. Moreover, the point is that the quality and accuracy of the hole will be identical in both cases.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2020 11: 10 New
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              Yes you are right. I should use the concepts of "efficiency" and "functionality."
              Thanks for the clarification.
        2. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 12: 29 New
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          Quote: Zhelezyakin
          over the past 50 years, it is precisely aimed at reducing the cost of production. Not always due to the notorious manufacturability, often due to cost

          A wonderful video will complement your words
          I watched it yesterday. Now I read and as if this video was revising
          1. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 14: 28 New
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            Very informative video, thanks! After watching it, another technical term, which was not unimportant, came up in my memory - production culture! Apparently, in China they do not know about him
      2. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 12: 52 New
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        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        S-400 is being sold, because, from the point of view of the Russian military-industrial complex, this is already a completed stage

        true? Those. The country's air defense is saturated with them to the limit, and the complex began to become obsolete? Do I understand you correctly?

        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        on the way S-500

        Sorry, but now the main distant system remains, and the S-300/400 will remain for a long time. The fact that the S-500 was rolled out for testing does not mean anything. They can drag on for a dozen years (remember how many years the S-400 has been waiting for its long-range missile), and then the industry will slowly begin to produce them.
        In addition, I’m not sure that the S-500 will replace the S-400. Rather, it comes in addition, as more sharpened as a missile defense system, rather than air defense

        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        And the Chinese even could not fully copy the Su-33.

        could. Their J-15 before the Su-33 looks more advantageous. No wonder - how many years have passed since the first flight of the Su-33, which has never been upgraded

        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        But they actively trade in drones, because they are cheap and cheerful, and there is nothing super-technological there.

        Do you really think that in a serious UAV there are no serious technologies? You do not confuse reconnaissance UAV with a toy from the Children's World ???

        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        And they will not sell their J-20 to anyone, because there is definitely nothing technological there

        the Americans didn’t sell their Reptor to anyone. And what follows from the fact that it is also made of threshing floor and sticks? Or did they make it exclusively for themselves, and do not want anyone to wet their trunk there?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2020 13: 39 New
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          Those. The country's air defense is saturated with them to the limit, and the complex began to become obsolete? Do I understand you correctly?

          I meant that the solutions used in the S-400 are no longer presented as critical, therefore this SAM is offered for purchase. S-500, according to data from open sources, do not plan to sell. In addition, the export version is truncated in terms of functionality.
          It is possible to argue about whether it is really being cut or not, ad infinitum, and will not convince anyone of anything.
          The fact that the S-500 was rolled out for testing does not mean anything.

          According to data from, again, open and authoritative sources (RIA-Novosti), this year it is planned to start mass production of the S-500.
          To argue about how it will actually be - see above. I draw information from those sources that I consider reliable. And sucking out all kinds of conclusions from where the sun never looks is the destiny of the elect, to which I do not belong.

          About the Chinese drones and the Raptor.
          The Chinese managed to make only a very rough analogue of the Ripper. Whereas the Chinese Predator was only shown.
          The raptor was too expensive even for the Americans themselves. Because otherwise I can not explain the appearance of its cheaper version in the form of F-35.

          Su-33 doesn’t seem to be produced anymore. A couple of years ago, there was an opinion about replacing the Su-33 with the MiG-29K / KUB, but, in view of the current state of the Russian aircraft carrier component, the project wilted. And for the probable future they are planning a decked version of the Su-57.

          You are not getting excited. If you have confirmed data on any of the questions you asked me, share. I am always happy for new information.
          With all due respect.
          1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 13: 56 New
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            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            the solutions used in the S-400 are no longer presented as critical

            while this system is the basis of the country's air defense system, such decisions are critical. There can be no other way.

            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            authoritative sources (RIA-news)

            oh yes, this is a very authoritative source))) Especially in the field of armaments. Almost like ni

            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            this year it is planned to start mass production of the S-50

            In what year was it planned to start deliveries of long-range missiles for the S-400 to the troops? And the adoption of Armata? What about the Su-57? And your example with the Su-33? Alas, we have a tendency (it has already become a trend, even almost no one is surprised) to shift the terms only to the right. So in your place I would evaluate the situation soberly, and not according to the slogans of "authoritative" publications.

            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            The raptor was too expensive even for the Americans themselves.

            I didn’t tell you that. The fact that the elect did not sell it to anyone for the reason that there was too much in it for that time, and not because it was threshing floor. Well, you climbed into a ditch somewhere, generally losing (or, as it seems, deliberately avoiding the topic) meaning

            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            You are not getting excited.

            and you don’t act like a Jew. With you about Thomas, you about Yerema
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2020 14: 10 New
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              Your will. We live in a free country, where everyone has the right to their own dissenting opinion, right?
              1. Grigory_45 10 February 2020 14: 14 New
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                Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
                everyone has the right to a dissenting opinion, right?

                indisputably. True, I would like the interlocutor to be a little more adequate. respectfully hi
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2020 14: 23 New
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                  The best interlocutor is a book. You did not read "The Art of Thinking Correctly" by Ivin Alexander Arkhipovich? Great thing!
    3. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 10: 23 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      We can send a lip-closing machine in the form of a pencil for free.

      And you can
    4. Vasyan1971 10 February 2020 11: 00 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      We can send a lip-closing machine in the form of a pencil for free.

      Enough public good squander for free! laughing
  3. rocket757 10 February 2020 09: 42 New
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    This is "normal", on the other hand you can not hear that.
  4. askort154 10 February 2020 09: 42 New
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    A Chinese printer can rivet a lot of things. Only one still does not give in - a modern aircraft engine. no
    1. Maestro Alexander 10 February 2020 09: 44 New
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      ... there is a problem in our Palestine too. Are available.
      1. Lipchanin 10 February 2020 10: 42 New
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        Quote: Maestro Alexander
        ... there is a problem with this in our Palestine too

        We do our own.
        They copy someone else's.
        There is a difference?
    2. demo 10 February 2020 09: 56 New
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      Only one still does not give in - a modern aircraft engine.
      The engine is a generalized concept.
      The main thing is the metal from which the engine parts are made, and especially its thermally loaded parts.
      In the Russian Federation, as a successor to the USSR, quite a lot of specialists remained in this field.
      Of course, we will not reach the level of the USSR now, but even today there are 3-4 schools in the world that can compete with us in the level of specialist training.
      And this, from my point of view, is the biggest problem for China.
    3. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 11: 06 New
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      Rather, its individual nodes
  5. Pavel57 10 February 2020 09: 53 New
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    Squadron plus a couple to disassemble.
  6. Retvizan 8 10 February 2020 09: 57 New
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    Chinese 3D printer is ready for work ?!)))
  7. rotmistr60 10 February 2020 10: 04 New
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    in China, its J-20 is considered the best fifth-generation fighter in the world
    No matter how the Chinese sandpiper praised his swamp. They are too proud, you need to know the sense of proportion.
  8. pavelty 10 February 2020 10: 08 New
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    There is no such aircraft Su-57E, do not come up with fairy tales
  9. Alexey from Perm 10 February 2020 10: 18 New
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    I think soon the time will come to intellectually rob China. You can’t sell anything to the Chinese, everyone will copy and leave us in the cold
  10. Lamata 10 February 2020 10: 38 New
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    The Chinese consider the best fighter to be the 5th generation and their j 20, the Chinese fanned out, let’s fight better with the virus. Again the dirtied world.
  11. Ros 56 10 February 2020 10: 51 New
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    Strongly, and then Soho will write about how the Chinese have superior technology to Russian?
    1. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 11: 08 New
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      They are not too shy even now.
  12. svp67 10 February 2020 10: 51 New
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    Selling Su-57 to China will be HUGE STUPID on our part. You can still go for it, in exchange for their J-20 and J-31
    1. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 11: 09 New
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      The question is, why? To make sure that everything is not the way Sohu broadcasts?
      1. svp67 10 February 2020 11: 15 New
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        Quote: Zhelezyakin
        To make sure that everything is not the way Sohu broadcasts?

        To study, we also need to get something useful from this transaction ...
        1. Zhelezyakin 10 February 2020 11: 47 New
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          So there are doubts in "utility". As for me, the Eurofighter, or rather the EJ200 or f119, could be much more useful. From the point of view of electronics is not strong, but in the above engines I would dig deeper with great pleasure)))
  13. Rostislav 10 February 2020 10: 53 New
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    They forgot to ask Russia if she would like to sell a couple of SU57 to the Chinese. Although there are enough “effective managers” in Rosoboronexport, unfortunately.
  14. Vasyan1971 10 February 2020 10: 57 New
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    It is precisely the latest engines of the Russian Su-57 that cause the greatest interest in China.

    Damn! Do not even hesitate to admit that they will steal intellectual property! Really buy?
  15. Tektor 10 February 2020 11: 03 New
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    In no case should you sell Su-57 to China. Algeria - you can.
    1. Guru 10 February 2020 11: 32 New
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      Algeria belay WHAT FOR ? For example, did the Americans sell a lot of F-22s to anyone?
  16. Cowbra 10 February 2020 11: 13 New
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    Dviglo want to spioner, as usual
  17. Guru 10 February 2020 11: 29 New
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    Su-57 was supposed to go into service with the Russian Air Force in December last year. However, during the acceptance tests, the plane crashed.
    It was a factory copy, designed to develop new components and mechanisms, and it has nothing to do with the party for the Russian Aerospace Forces. Why did the author take it that these were acceptance tests of the aircraft. Information in the media was only about the test version, that is, the factory version.
  18. 川 建国 10 February 2020 11: 46 New
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    The J20 lacks only powerful engines. Currently, the new J20 batch is equipped with the WS10C, although it is not the WS15 target engine. There is one assurance that China will not change the design of the J20 due to the su - 57, and the Chinese are only interested in 30 engines that can be imported directly. If the situation around China continues to deteriorate, China will also acquire a Su - 57 in order to quickly increase the number of its vehicles by five generations.
  19. Zaurbek 10 February 2020 14: 03 New
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    What kind of games with tambourines .... need turbojet engine for a fighter ....- buy a batch, as with the D30, get operational experience, understand the real characteristics. And then different options are possible. It will be beneficial to both the Russian Federation and China.
  20. Mentat 10 February 2020 14: 09 New
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    Quote: askort154
    A Chinese printer can rivet a lot of things. Only one still does not give in - a modern aircraft engine. no

    A Chinese printer can rivet only and exclusively what is equipped with production and technological instructions for the original models. The rest is given with a very large creak, if at all ever succeeds.

    Chinese smartphones, household appliances, automobiles are analogues mimicked by Western technological patterns, following the same instructions that came with the originals. The essence and content there does not change, only the external form, price and build quality.

    And the fact that initially was not documented in any way cannot be copied. A great example is aircraft engines.
    1. Astra55 10 February 2020 15: 49 New
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      Your post reflects the reality of a decade ago. When NOKLA N95 with 1 MB of memory was paired on the market for cheap instead of the original NOKIA N95 with 8 GB.
      For example, China is now a world leader in technology and equipment for 5g networks.
  21. kit88 10 February 2020 14: 35 New
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    statements on the possible acquisition of a batch of Su-57 from Russia

    Why do we need this?
    Okay to sell to Algeria. They will fight on them. But these same stopudovo take not for operation, but for copying. Why do we have to compete?
    They write here, the arms market, back and forth ...
    Something no one is in a hurry to sell us the F-22 and F-35. In a pair of pieces, it’s purely typical to fly.
  22. Mentat 10 February 2020 21: 05 New
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    Quote: Astra55
    Your post reflects the reality of a decade ago. When NOKLA N95 with 1 MB of memory was paired on the market for cheap instead of the original NOKIA N95 with 8 GB.
    For example, China is now a world leader in technology and equipment for 5g networks.

    Give examples of modern fully self-made products in China. If, of course, you can.
    However, judging by the nonsense that you are talking about China’s leadership in 5g, drawn from marketing campaigns, you are unlikely to even try.
  23. CBR600 11 February 2020 09: 19 New
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    At the moment - 74 comments. But in my opinion there is nothing to discuss.
  24. lvov_aleksey 11 February 2020 21: 20 New
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    Hello everyone! here, the ace is clear and understandable, earlier South Korea copied from Japan what it did to the DPRK, I don’t know at the same time, now it is doing the PRC the same !!!
    ps if someone did not understand, I'm only about technology
    By the way, we also copied Yo mine in the USSR, only what the VAZ 2101 is worth