The Chinese media commented on the statements about the possible acquisition of a batch of Su-57 from Russia

A large Chinese publication Sina published material in which the authors comment on statements about the possibility of China acquiring a small batch of Russian new-generation fighter aircraft Su-57. Such statements were made by the Chinese experts themselves, as well as by military experts from Russia and the United States. The main goal of buying a small batch of Su-57 from Russia, as reported, could be the study of technologies used by Russian manufacturers.

Sina is quite skeptical of the idea of ​​acquiring several fifth-generation Su-57 fighters from Russia. The article says that at the first stage of production, the export version of the Su-57 (Su-57E) may differ significantly from the version for the Russian aerospace forces. The Chinese author writes that Russia is too unlikely that after the adoption of the latest fighter aircraft by the Russian Aerospace Forces, it will expose their modifications with a second-stage engine.

This in the Chinese media makes it clear that the latest engines of the Russian Su-57 are of the greatest interest in China. Several fighters with engines of the second stage are currently being tested in our country.

Also in China, they were skeptical of an article in The National Interest, where the point of view was expressed that China needed the acquisition of the Su-57 in order to make significant changes to the design of its new generation J-20 fighter. Given that China considers its J-20 the best fifth-generation fighter in the world, dissatisfaction with the article in NI is easily explained.

Su-57 was supposed to go into service with the Russian Air Force in December last year. However, during the acceptance tests, the plane crashed.

Comments

[Maestro Alexander]

As I understand it, we are talking about a couple of cars. Also I am of the opinion that they will disassemble to the cogs.

[Pecheneg]

Less than 24 units will not be sold, as with the Su-35

[figwam]

There is no need to sell with a second stage engine.

[LifeIsGood]

Well, the engines that there are clearly not "native" will be, and export, like the rest of the filling.

[Zhelezyakin]

Curious, what is the meaning of the words "not native" do you mean? What ed. 117, that ed. 30 for were designed exclusively for fifty dollars. Personally, my opinion is that none of the above engines can be called "not native". Or do you propose to put a completely different motor?

[LifeIsGood]

Not not 2-3 ... so much no one buys. Here I think there is a conversation about 10 - 12 pcs. one squadron. Not more.

[Maestro Alexander]

Maybe.
Confused phrase

China's acquisition of a small batch

[bessmertniy]

A large country must buy in large quantities. And China is all old-fashioned. Trying to save. While they sort it out, they will understand that it is necessary to copy it, they will arrange the release - time will pass, and on our SU-57 some improvements will already have time to happen.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Maestro Alexander

Also I am of the opinion that they will disassemble to the cogs.

To the molecules

[knn54]

Let them buy, - without knowledge of the manufacturing process, the "clone" will be an order of magnitude worse in terms of efficiency and resource.

[Thrifty]

They can’t be sold to the Chinese at all, in any quantity, even with a 300 percent mark-up!

[Magic archer]

Yeah, that's what they sold you. We can send a lip-closing machine in the form of a pencil for free. In general, it would be time to tie up to supply China with the latest weapons, knowing that he was copying it stupidly and then exhibiting at exhibitions as his own developments. China does not export ANYTHING to its advanced developments. From this we draw conclusions

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Magic Archer

Yeah, that's what they sold you. We can send a lip-rolling machine in the form of a pencil for free ...

In vain you doubt, the example with the S-400 is very revealing. And they will sell the Su-57 to China, it’s only a matter of time and quantity, it’s clear that China wants to buy a small batch for analysis, and ours are interested in selling the batch as much as possible.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Aleksandr21

S-400 example is very revealing

What is indicative?
Has the country's defenses collapsed?

And the Su-57 will be sold to China, e

They will sell it. For this, the arms market exists.
But who told you that they are selling exactly the weapons that go to our troops? Are you familiar with the concept of "Export Option"?
The hostages are selling their fu 35 in all and no one there is outraged over the puddle. They well understand that if there is a demand for any product, it must be sold

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Lipchanin

What is indicative?
Has the country's defenses collapsed?

It is indicative that we are ready to trade in any weapon, for example, the same S-400 plays an important role in the country's defense capability and in the USSR we would think a hundred times whether it is worth selling such critical weapons for export.

Quote: Lipchanin

But who told you that they are selling exactly the weapons that go to our troops? Are you familiar with the concept of "Export Option"?

Ask which S-400s went to Turkey, you will be unpleasantly surprised. The basic version is that the army was supplied and sold abroad. Yes, and I would not focus much on the "e" index, but some equipment characteristics will be cut, but it is impossible to say that it will be a different plane, if the Chinese take the Su-57, they will take it with the second stage engine, and personally from me there is no doubt that if China wishes, there will be a deal with Russia. As for export, I agree that this is a common practice in the world.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Is it worth selling such critical weapons for export?

Is this an offensive weapon? Will it somehow threaten us?

Take an interest in which S-400 left Turkey

The basic option is that they were delivered to the army and sold abroad.

How do you know that? Have you seen a contract with your own eyes?
It always amazes me how some people think that besides them no one thinks about the security of Russia.
Everything from the signatories to the developers of the same weapons, and this is not one or two people, just dream of how to sell the most secret weapons that could harm Russia?
Yes, before at least one contract is signed, more than one person, not one department will examine it under a microscope. Such changes will be made to the design that it simply cannot harm the Russian Federation. make it so that any attempt to get into the electronics of the same rocket will lead to its destruction.
In your opinion, without the approval of the FSB, at least one military contract will be signed?
At least one missile unexplored by experts will cross the border?
So sleep well. To? Roma you have someone to worry about protecting secrets and ensuring the country's defense

[Aleksandr21]

Export S-400 will be from the basic versions for the Russian Federation
S-400 air defense systems will be delivered to foreign customers in a version adapted to the armed forces of a specific country, Dmitry Shugaev, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS), said on Thursday, RIA Novosti reports.


“There is a basic thing. But our system is for the Russian Federation, it is designed for the Russian Federation. Potentially for country x, it will work for country x, and so on. Not in the fundamental sense of the word, that it has different parameters, it will simply be adapted to the national air defense systems of a particular country, ”he said, answering the question whether technology transfer is being discussed when delivering S-400 systems to Turkey, India and China.
Earlier, Shugaev said that the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system cannot be copied.

Source: Military Industrial Courier MIC.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Source: Military Industrial Courier MIC.

And you think that everything will be written there?
The concept of State and military secrets does not apply to it?

S-400 air defense systems will be delivered to foreign customers in a country adapted to the armed forces

So they adapt in such a way that by no means can she threaten us

There is a basic thing. But our system is for the Russian Federation, it is designed for the Russian Federation. e.

Well, where is the sale of missiles supplied by our air defense?

Potentially for country “x,” it will work for country “x,” and so on.

So they don’t put what we have there

Earlier, Shugaev said that the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system cannot be copied.

What do you dislike here?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Lipchanin

Will it somehow threaten us?

indirectly. In the global arms market. Like a competing system. Remember the tender for the supply of air defense / missile defense systems in Turkey, where China won with its clone S-300 (and only pressure from the United States did not allow the tender to go into the contract - they promised Ankara Patriots on favorable terms). Take off the pink glasses

Quote: Lipchanin

It always amazes me how some people think that besides them no one thinks about the security of Russia.

and I am always struck by the naive. Now they think more about how to fill their pocket, and after us - the grass does not grow.

Quote: Lipchanin

make it so that any attempt to get into the electronics of the same rocket will lead to its destruction.

rzhunimagu))) Well, how can you be so naive? Or technically illiterate?

Quote: Lipchanin

To? Roma you have someone to worry about protecting secrets and ensuring the country's defense

oh yes, once we watched the whole country ... how we cherished, how we cared ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gregory_45

where China won with its S-300 clone (and only pressure from the USA did not allow the tender to go into the contract

Yes, let poverty buy clones. These clones will begin to explode at their start, and then they will come to us

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Lipchanin

They will begin to explode these clones at the start

the Chinese do not explode. The wave itself is tolerably fly.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gregory_45

and I am always struck by the naive.

And I’m self-confident who sacredly believe that they alone are rooting for Russia, while everyone else is only thinking about how to spoil it.
I have no more desire to talk with you

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Lipchanin

while everyone else just thinks how to spoil her

learn to read. I did not say shit - I said to fill my pockets, caring only about my skin.

Quote: Lipchanin

I have no more desire to talk with you

since you don’t understand the interlocutor, yes. I also have no desire to communicate with you.

[Ka-52]

Aleksandr21 (Alexander)
It is indicative that we are ready to trade in any weapon, for example, the same S-400 plays an important role in the country's defense capability and in the USSR we would think a hundred times whether it is worth selling such critical weapons for export.

before you start flapping indignantly READ OUT into the text of the article. You begin to comment on what the article does not say a word! The article cites the words Sina (China) in assumption The National Interest (USA) about possible China's procurement of the Su-57. Where did you see the Rosvooruzhenie statement there?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Lipchanin

What is indicative?

the fact that everything is being sold, even modern high-tech weapons, of which they themselves do not have very many. Moreover, the Chinese, these "copiers"

Quote: Lipchanin

The hostages are selling their fu 35 in all and no one there is outraged over the puddle.

F-35 - initially an international project, and get it either those countries that took part in the creation of the aircraft, or the closest allies. And then the Americans do not provide everything - in particular, the software codes of the aircraft were not transmitted to anyone (with the possible exception of Israel)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gregory_45

that everything is sold, even modern high-tech weapons, of which there are not very many.

Which one did you sell?

in particular, aircraft software codes were not transmitted to anyone (with the possible exception of Israel)

And where did you get the idea that we pass such codes, including "friend or foe"?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Lipchanin

Which one did you sell?

don't pretend to be a prankster. On top of the S-400 they wrote, or, for you, is it already obsolete and low-tech weapons? And the Su-35 is also outdated?

Quote: Lipchanin

And where did you get the idea that we pass such codes, including "friend or foe"?

about hospidya .... You really do not understand what they are talking with you, or carefully mow? The Chinese do not need our defendant, they will put their own. The point is another, more important. In particular, with regard to air defense systems - a radar, guidance system, fuel missiles. Look deeper and wider

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gregory_45

don't pretend to be a prankster

With labels more careful.

On top of the S-400 they wrote, or, for you, is it already obsolete and low-tech weapons?

Not entirely outdated, but not new.
And about the high-tech ...
So you can’t copy technology on Xerox
How many years have Americans bought our RD-180? And they’re not copying anything. Well, they can’t do such a technology for themselves. You still wrote there that we were selling, which we ourselves did not have enough.
Is this a S-400 deficit?

And the Su-35 is also outdated?

And what's so high-tech? Engines? So the Chinese have long had them.
Only they can’t copy them in any way

The Chinese do not need our defendant, they will put their own.

So in any rocket, this is the most important element.
The whole stink was that now we can’t shoot down Turkish planes since we sold them these codes

. In particular, with regard to air defense systems - this is a radar, guidance system

Well? What is the problem? What is the threat to us?

rocket fuel.

Is it such a secret? Also say that the fuel for the Su-35 is a great secret

Look deeper and wider

Yeah, nowhere is shirsha
So much rubbish to pile up

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Lipchanin

How many years have Americans bought our RD-180? And they’re not copying anything.

Well, they don’t need it. It’s cheaper for them to buy ready-made products in Russia than to copy an outdated engine. And their - yes, they slowly make their own

Quote: Lipchanin

Is this a S-400 deficit?

Did we close the whole territory, did they replace all S-300 with them? Not? Keep quiet

Quote: Lipchanin

And the Su-35 is also outdated?

And what's so high-tech?

lo and behold ..) Firstly, this is our main fighter. Secondly, in addition to the engine, do you know other systems in the airplane? There is at least still a radar there. And the Su-35 was sold to China exactly in the same configuration as the plane goes to the Russian aerospace forces. We think we are straining the gray matter ...)

Quote: Lipchanin

The Chinese do not need our defendant, they will put their own.

So in any rocket, this is the most important element.

in which rocket ?????! Do you even own materiel? The interrogator is part of the complex, and it is logical that the Chinese will install it on their own, coupled with their air defense system. And the complex will easily bring down everything that does not belong to the Chinese Air Force

Quote: Lipchanin

rocket fuel.

Is it such a secret?

and you do not dumb stupidly over what you do not know. The composition and technology of pouring solid fuel into a rocket with the same volume will allow to increase the flight range of the rocket 1,5–2 times. What can now be seen on modern missiles and rockets for MLRS. With the same dimensions, the rocket flies much further - and all because of new fuel.

Quote: Lipchanin

Yeah, nowhere is shirsha
So much rubbish to pile up

you bullshit. I recommend fewer smiling smiles, more technical (and not only) literacy. Learn materiel, uncle

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The S-400 is being sold because, from the point of view of the Russian military-industrial complex, this is already a passed stage, the S-500 is on its way. And the Chinese could not even copy the Su-33 fully. All their "analogs" can be called as such. But they are actively selling drones, because they are cheap and angry, and there is nothing super-technological there. And they will not sell their J-20 to anyone, because there is absolutely nothing technologically advanced there, with the exception of Russian engines, perhaps.

[Zhelezyakin]

Do not consider it nitpicking, but the terms should be handled more carefully.
The word manufacturability is nothing more than a complex characteristic of a product / part that expresses the convenience of its production. And I strongly doubt that people in the Celestial Empire (not like you and me) live in every possible way striving to produce products to the detriment of that same technological effectiveness. The entire experience of producing copies and replicas in China over the past 50 years is precisely aimed at reducing the cost of production. Not always due to the notorious manufacturability, often due to the cost of materials and wages, but one is not separable from the other.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The Chinese produce what they can produce. No more no less. They have very good household appliances and electronics, which is why the whole world uses them, including India.
But the armament is completely special. All the most advanced achievements in the field of science are primarily applied in the military-industrial complex. It is one thing to build 50 destroyer corps, but quite another to equip them.
In particular, all the missile achievements of China are mediated by the mess in Russia in the nineties, and then by the same thing in Ukraine.

[Zhelezyakin]

And where does technology work?
Maybe you still had in mind another term - the level of technology, for example, the level of science or the level of technology?
As I wrote earlier, manufacturability is somewhat different. Relatively speaking, this is when you want to make a hole in a part. From a technology point of view, this can be done in different ways. It can be cheap on a drilling machine, but it can be expensive and low-tech on a CNC milling. Moreover, the point is that the quality and accuracy of the hole will be identical in both cases.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Yes you are right. I should have used the terms "efficiency" and "functionality".
Thanks for the clarification.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

over the past 50 years, it is precisely aimed at reducing the cost of production. Not always due to the notorious manufacturability, often due to cost

A wonderful video will complement your words
I watched it yesterday. Now I read and as if this video was revising

[Zhelezyakin]

Very informative video, thanks! After watching it, another technical term, which was not unimportant, came up in my memory - production culture! Apparently, in China they do not know about him

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

S-400 is being sold, because, from the point of view of the Russian military-industrial complex, this is already a completed stage

true? Those. The country's air defense is saturated with them to the limit, and the complex began to become obsolete? Do I understand you correctly?

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

on the way S-500

Sorry, but now the main distant system remains, and the S-300/400 will remain for a long time. The fact that the S-500 was rolled out for testing does not mean anything. They can drag on for a dozen years (remember how many years the S-400 has been waiting for its long-range missile), and then the industry will slowly begin to produce them.
In addition, I’m not sure that the S-500 will replace the S-400. Rather, it comes in addition, as more sharpened as a missile defense system, rather than air defense

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And the Chinese even could not fully copy the Su-33.

could. Their J-15 before the Su-33 looks more advantageous. No wonder - how many years have passed since the first flight of the Su-33, which has never been upgraded

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

But they actively trade in drones, because they are cheap and cheerful, and there is nothing super-technological there.

Do you really think that in a serious UAV there are no serious technologies? You do not confuse reconnaissance UAV with a toy from the Children's World ???

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And they will not sell their J-20 to anyone, because there is definitely nothing technological there

the Americans didn’t sell their Reptor to anyone. And what follows from the fact that it is also made of threshing floor and sticks? Or did they make it exclusively for themselves, and do not want anyone to wet their trunk there?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Those. The country's air defense is saturated with them to the limit, and the complex began to become obsolete? Do I understand you correctly?

I meant that the solutions used in the S-400 are no longer presented as critical, therefore this SAM is offered for purchase. S-500, according to data from open sources, do not plan to sell. In addition, the export version is truncated in terms of functionality.
It is possible to argue about whether it is really being cut or not, ad infinitum, and will not convince anyone of anything.

The fact that the S-500 was rolled out for testing does not mean anything.

According to data from, again, open and authoritative sources (RIA-Novosti), this year it is planned to start mass production of the S-500.
To argue about how it will actually be - see above. I draw information from those sources that I consider reliable. And sucking out all kinds of conclusions from where the sun never looks is the destiny of the elect, to which I do not belong.

About the Chinese drones and the Raptor.
The Chinese managed to make only a very rough analogue of the Ripper. Whereas the Chinese Predator was only shown.
The raptor was too expensive even for the Americans themselves. Because otherwise I can not explain the appearance of its cheaper version in the form of F-35.

Su-33 doesn’t seem to be produced anymore. A couple of years ago, there was an opinion about replacing the Su-33 with the MiG-29K / KUB, but, in view of the current state of the Russian aircraft carrier component, the project wilted. And for the probable future they are planning a decked version of the Su-57.

You are not getting excited. If you have confirmed data on any of the questions you asked me, share. I am always happy for new information.
With all due respect.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

the solutions used in the S-400 are no longer presented as critical

while this system is the basis of the country's air defense system, such decisions are critical. There can be no other way.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

authoritative sources (RIA-news)

oh yes, this is a very authoritative source))) Especially in the field of armaments. Almost like ni

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

this year it is planned to start mass production of the S-50

In what year was the start of deliveries to the troops of a long-range missile for the S-400 planned? And the adoption of the Armata? And the Su-57? And your example with the Su-33? Alas, we have a tendency (this has already become a tendency, even almost no one is surprised) to shift the dates only to the right. So if I were you, I would assess the situation soberly, and not according to the slogans of "authoritative" publications.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

The raptor was too expensive even for the Americans themselves.

I didn’t tell you that. The fact that the elect did not sell it to anyone for the reason that there was too much in it for that time, and not because it was threshing floor. Well, you climbed into a ditch somewhere, generally losing (or, as it seems, deliberately avoiding the topic) meaning

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

You are not getting excited.

and you don’t act like a Jew. With you about Thomas, you about Yerema

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Your will. We live in a free country, where everyone has the right to their own dissenting opinion, right?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

everyone has the right to a dissenting opinion, right?

indisputably. True, I would like the interlocutor to be a little more adequate. respectfully

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The best conversationalist is a book. Have you read "The Art of Thinking Right" by Ivin Alexander Arkhipovich? Great thing!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Magic Archer

We can send a lip-closing machine in the form of a pencil for free.

And you can

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Magic Archer

We can send a lip-closing machine in the form of a pencil for free.

Enough public good squander for free!

[rocket757]

This is "normal", from the other side you can hear something different.

[askort154]

A Chinese printer can rivet a lot of things. Only one still does not give in - a modern aircraft engine.

[Maestro Alexander]

... there is a problem in our Palestine too. Are available.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Maestro Alexander

... there is a problem with this in our Palestine too

We do our own.
They copy someone else's.
There is a difference?

[demo]

Only one still does not give in - a modern aircraft engine.
The engine is a generalized concept.
The main thing is the metal from which the engine parts are made, and especially its thermally loaded parts.
In the Russian Federation, as a successor to the USSR, quite a lot of specialists remained in this field.
Of course, we will not reach the level of the USSR now, but even today there are 3-4 schools in the world that can compete with us in the level of specialist training.
And this, from my point of view, is the biggest problem for China.

[Zhelezyakin]

Rather, its individual nodes

[Pavel57]

Squadron plus a couple to disassemble.

[Retvizan 8]

Chinese 3D printer is ready for work ?!)))

[rotmistr60]

in China, its J-20 is considered the best fifth-generation fighter in the world

No matter how the Chinese sandpiper praised his swamp. They are too proud, you need to know the sense of proportion.

[pavelty]

There is no such aircraft Su-57E, do not come up with fairy tales

[Alexey from Perm]

I think soon the time will come to intellectually rob China. You can’t sell anything to the Chinese, everyone will copy and leave us in the cold

[Lamata]

The Chinese consider the best fighter to be the 5th generation and their j 20, the Chinese fanned out, let’s fight better with the virus. Again the dirtied world.

[Ros 56]

Strongly, and then Soho will write about how the Chinese have superior technology to Russian?

[Zhelezyakin]

They are not too shy even now.

[svp67]

Selling Su-57 to China will be HUGE STUPID on our part. You can still go for it, in exchange for their J-20 and J-31

[Zhelezyakin]

The question is, why? To make sure that everything is not the way Sohu broadcasts?

[svp67]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

To make sure that everything is not the way Sohu broadcasts?

To study, we also need to get something useful from this transaction ...

[Zhelezyakin]

Duc has doubts about the "usefulness". As for me, the Eurofighter, or rather the EJ200 or f119, could be much more useful. From the point of view of electronics, it is not strong, but I would dig deeper into the above engines with great pleasure)))

[Rostislav]

They forgot to ask Russia whether it would like to sell a couple of SU57s to the Chinese. Although there are enough "effective managers" in Rosoboronexport, unfortunately.

[Vasyan1971]

It is precisely the latest engines of the Russian Su-57 that cause the greatest interest in China.

Damn! Do not even hesitate to admit that they will steal intellectual property! Really buy?

[Tektor]

In no case should you sell Su-57 to China. Algeria - you can.

[Guru]

Algeria WHAT FOR ? For example, did the Americans sell a lot of F-22s to anyone?

[Cowbra]

Dviglo want to spioner, as usual

[Guru]

Su-57 was supposed to go into service with the Russian Air Force in December last year. However, during the acceptance tests, the plane crashed.

It was a factory copy, designed to develop new components and mechanisms, and it has nothing to do with the party for the Russian Aerospace Forces. Why did the author take it that these were acceptance tests of the aircraft. Information in the media was only about the test version, that is, the factory version.

[川 建国]

The J20 lacks only powerful engines. Currently, the new J20 batch is equipped with the WS10C, although it is not the WS15 target engine. There is one assurance that China will not change the design of the J20 due to the su - 57, and the Chinese are only interested in 30 engines that can be imported directly. If the situation around China continues to deteriorate, China will also acquire a Su - 57 in order to quickly increase the number of its vehicles by five generations.

[Zaurbek]

What kind of games with tambourines .... need turbojet engine for a fighter ....- buy a batch, as with the D30, get operational experience, understand the real characteristics. And then different options are possible. It will be beneficial to both the Russian Federation and China.

[Mentat]

Quote: askort154

A Chinese printer can rivet a lot of things. Only one still does not give in - a modern aircraft engine.

A Chinese printer can rivet only and exclusively what is equipped with production and technological instructions for the original models. The rest is given with a very large creak, if at all ever succeeds.

Chinese smartphones, household appliances, automobiles are analogues mimicked by Western technological patterns, following the same instructions that came with the originals. The essence and content there does not change, only the external form, price and build quality.

And the fact that initially was not documented in any way cannot be copied. A great example is aircraft engines.

[Astra55]

Your post reflects the reality of a decade ago. When NOKLA N95 with 1 MB of memory was paired on the market for cheap instead of the original NOKIA N95 with 8 GB.
For example, China is now a world leader in technology and equipment for 5g networks.

[kit88]

statements on the possible acquisition of a batch of Su-57 from Russia

Why do we need this?
Okay to sell to Algeria. They will fight on them. But these same stopudovo take not for operation, but for copying. Why do we have to compete?
They write here, the arms market, back and forth ...
Something no one is in a hurry to sell us the F-22 and F-35. In a pair of pieces, it’s purely typical to fly.

[Mentat]

Quote: Astra55

Your post reflects the reality of a decade ago. When NOKLA N95 with 1 MB of memory was paired on the market for cheap instead of the original NOKIA N95 with 8 GB.
For example, China is now a world leader in technology and equipment for 5g networks.

Give examples of modern fully self-made products in China. If, of course, you can.
However, judging by the nonsense that you are talking about China’s leadership in 5g, drawn from marketing campaigns, you are unlikely to even try.

[CBR600]

At the moment - 74 comments. But in my opinion there is nothing to discuss.

[lvov_aleksey]

Hello everyone! here, the ace is clear and understandable, earlier South Korea copied from Japan what it did to the DPRK, I don’t know at the same time, now it is doing the PRC the same !!!
ps if someone did not understand, I'm only about technology
By the way, we also copied Yo mine in the USSR, only what the VAZ 2101 is worth