The development of the atomic destroyer Leader is postponed indefinitely

Design work for a promising nuclear destroyer for the Navy fleet Russia actually stopped. This was reported by Mil.Press FlotProm with reference to two informed sources at the naval research institutes and design bureaus.

According to the publication, the reason for the shift to the right was the lack of allocated funds and the postponement of the start of work to a later time. At the same time, work on the initiative on the project continues.

Significant funds for the creation of the destroyer have not yet been allocated to either the Northern Design Bureau or the Krylov State Scientific Center. However, enterprises continue to work on a proactive basis.

- said one of the sources of the publication.

According to the source, a promising conceptual appearance of the ship is being created in the Krylovsky Center taking into account the achievements of naval science, and in the Northern Design Bureau - a draft design of a “concrete” destroyer, with the possibility of installing already developed or promising weapons, and also starting from the capabilities of Russian shipyards.

A promising atomic destroyer is not even being discussed now, it is a distant future. (...) They plan to return to work later, so as not to jump from frigates with a displacement of 5400 tons to destroyers with a displacement of 19 000 tons

- cites the publication statement industry source.

Comments

[Grandfather]

The development of the destroyer Leader is postponed indefinitely
Today, 18: 09

"news" "unexpected" and "shocking"!

[Sky strike fighter]

The logical news is if you weigh the pros and cons. Why not the destroyer project 22350M with a displacement of 8000 tons?

Project 22350M frigates will have a displacement of about 8000 tons and carry 48 Caliber missile launchers. Their arsenal will also include Zircon hypersonic missiles. The power plant will be Russian. The first ships of the new type are planned to be laid at Severnaya Verf.

https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%BA31/

[Lesorub]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The logical news is if you weigh the pros and cons. Why not the destroyer project 22350M with a displacement of 8000 tons?

I still do not understand what you mean - yes, the frigate (project) 22350M is good and necessary, but we are talking about the destroyer "Leader", which implies a greater displacement (weapons, seaworthy data), at the moment the United States has about a hundred " Arlie Burke "(not counting other NATO members) + an updated series will enter the build, China is stamping its own like pies, construction of project 055 destroyers has begun - a displacement of 12-13 tons - we would have to think!

[cost]

IMHO. The reason for the suspension of work on the creation of a new destroyer was the lack of suitable construction sites.
-The covered slipways of Sevmash (Severodvinsk) are currently fully and fully occupied with the nuclear underwater theme (Borei, Ash, special purpose submarines),
- the Zvezda shipbuilding complex in the Far East is not yet ready,
-Kerchen "Zaliv" has not been fully restored yet
-Opportunities of "Yantar" are limited by the dimensions of the transfer (launching) dock - length up to 170 m,
-Baltic plant is densely occupied by atomic icebreakers,
- the slipways of the operating boathouse of Severnaya Verf allow building orders with the same maximum length as at Yantar.
At the very end of last year, a long-awaited contract was signed between Severnaya Verf and Metrostroy for the construction of a slipway with a two-span boathouse measuring 250x140 m. The active phase of work was to begin in April of this year. and, judging by the published satellite images, it really started.
-The new boathouse in St. Petersburg, in which "to warm up" it is first planned to build two amphibious assault helicopter carriers (UDC), will remove from the agenda the question "where to build" Leaders "?", However, for the accelerated construction of a series for two fleets, one more shipyard is needed , which, ideally, could be SSK "Zvezda".

[Yves762]

///? and also based on the capabilities of Russian shipyards.

But once upon a time they did not "start" from "opportunities", but "created" them.

[Self]

I'm embarrassed to ask, into what parallel dimension do all these ships, leaving the "densely occupied" shipyards, fall? Somehow, in fact, we observe the opposite. Once every five years, a little boat will degenerate, and rush with pomp. Honestly, you have listed it in such a way that it’s scary for me to imagine how many ships there should be, if not for this dip into another dimension.

[iouris]

This is a good reason. In addition, Nikolaev fled to NATO (but Nikolaev is the whole USSR).

[maidan.izrailovich]

.... currently the United States has under a hundred "Arly Burke" ...

Of course there are a lot of them, but "under a hundred" you got excited.
67 in service, 7 under construction, and 84 planned.
Moreover, they have been built since 1988. The very first commissioned in 1991. And it seems the first will not survive until the end of the series. https://topwar.ru/159622-vms-ssha-borjutsja-s-korroziej-arli-berkov-rezultaty-udruchajut.html

[AndreyM]

"Berks" have a displacement of not 19000, but only 7000 tons, and even CRUISERS of the Ticonderoga (9000 tons) and Atlant (11300 tons) types are far short of the Leader. So "Leader" is not a destroyer at all - it must be honestly retrained into a heavy cruiser. And then everything will fall into place - first you need to start making destroyers (dadada - completely based on the 22350M project), then light cruisers (with a displacement of 7-10 thousand tons) and only then you can swing at the "pocket battleships";)

[silver_roman]

God forbid this year the head will be laid. I wonder if there will ever be a ship "Vladimir Putin"?)) I just thought about the name of the lead and the entire series as a whole

[silver_roman]

God, they don’t like Putin here)). and it was only worth mentioning his last name as hamsters on the walls smashed with anger). it will be necessary to recall him more often.

[silver_roman]

hamsters, good morning! I continue to greet you, my shaggy friends!
I probably won’t talk about how much I mean you and your cons!))

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

I agree with you, the news is shocking. We hope that the source, the next talk, the next blogger or journalist, the source of such information is not known.

[Sky strike fighter]

They postponed it because they realized that they would not be able to master such a colossus with a displacement of 19000 tons as the Leader destroyer project. It will take a lot of time. The design of the frigates of the 22350M project will be completed by 2022. And everyone will be building from 4 to 5 years. So why are you not the 22350M destroyer? A much more real and tangible opportunity to build it, especially since it is not from scratch.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Dead Day

news "unexpected" and "shocking"!

Around the Leader and the aircraft carrier / forecaster so many copies are broken ...
In fact, the decision on these issues has long migrated from the military to the political plane.
It’s just that the military doctrine should formulate TASKS for using the AB (first of all) and the destroyer as a matter of fact the URO cruiser, not inferior to Peta and Nakhimov and armed no worse.
The tasks in the doctrine will be determined, then funds will be allocated for these tasks and the infrastructure built - industry, home locations.
There are currently no such tasks.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Victor_B

In fact, the decision on these issues has long migrated from the military to the political plane.

Rather, in the economic. Where to get money for all Wishlist?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Piramidon

Rather, in the economic. Where to get money for all Wishlist?

It is too.
What comes first - a chicken or an egg?
But political tasks lie ahead. The Saudis have money to eat at least backwards! And they will never build AB because they are not needed at all.

[jeka424]

https://news.mail.ru/incident/40510488/?frommail=1 вот тут можно

[knn54]

The experience of the USA, China and other countries shows that the future lies precisely in the destroyers-ships of the far / ocean zone. for the frigates do not reach the ship of the first rank both in universality. and in combat power.
Speaking in sports language without a LEADER, you can turn into an OUTSIDE.

[Victor_B]

Quote: knn54

the future is with the destroyers-ships of the far / ocean zone.

Damn!
Well, what kind of people are they that don’t understand?
The political leadership of the country should set such tasks in the DOCTRINE!
Then the MILITARY leadership and industry are obliged to fulfill them!
Based on the current doctrine (perhaps from the fiercely secret part), the task of countering the American fleet in this zone is not provided! Accordingly, there is no provision for the allocation of funds, "stretching the legs" for this.

[Thrifty]

There is only one question - who will build them in the "distant", and we must suppose, the "bright future", if now many work is being slowed down due to a shortage, first of all, of specialists of various specialties, starting from professional welders and assemblers metal structures? In fact, they made it clear to us that the destroyer, especially with a nuclear power plant, will not be built at all.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Thrifty

if now many works are already slowed down due to a lack of specialists in one or another specialty, first of all, from professional welders and assemblers of metal structures?

Let's learn from cats!
We’ll build a couple of atomic icebreakers on the Star, you see, and specialists will come from somewhere.

[Xenofont]

Well, there is the modern experience of amers, when the company recruited crowds of people and trained in specific specialties from scratch, having received a construction contract from the Ministry of Defense. What prevents our "effective"? Greed and stupidity, or one of two things?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Dead Day

The development of the destroyer Leader is postponed indefinitely
Today, 18: 09

"news" "unexpected" and "shocking"!

At first we were shocked. Then nothing. Calm down

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is not news, today work is underway on the project of the destroyer 22350M, and the cruiser pr.23560 will be developed after the destroyer and the experience of operating the modernized atomic eagles pr.1144 - Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great.

[Sergei 777]

Well this is not surprising. The Super Gorshkov 22350m project is more relevant. It is as good as a destroyer in capabilities.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Sergey 777

It is as good as a destroyer in capabilities.

Most likely, the decision to build ATOMIC surface ships will be taken jointly by AB + escort.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Sergey 777

Such ships will not be built for export.

Not export, ESCORT!
Escort!

[Sergei 777]

Did not see . It will be too expensive for an escort. Better frigates.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Sergey 777

The Super Gorshkov 22350m project is more relevant. It is as good as a destroyer in capabilities.

I don’t know about "opportunities": they may turn out to be unrealized.
But I heard about the fact that the Leader was announced as a carrier of naval missile defense, a combat laser and a whole arsenal of missile weapons. As far as I know, such tasks were not set for super Gorkov in the project. Zircons - the ultimate dream! And air defense - group (zonal inland).

[Victor_B]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But I heard about the fact that the Leader was announced as a carrier of naval missile defense, a combat laser and a whole arsenal of missile weapons.

Exactly all this was tried to be planted on Zumwalt!
Total on the face! The Americans.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Victor_B

Exactly all this was tried to be planted on Zumwalt!

Victor Petrovich! Why dissemble?
Zumvolt has medium-range air defense (RIM-162 ESSM), mainly Axes on the BC. They flunked the "electric cannon" (well, their railgun didn't go, even though you burst!) And something didn't work out with the lasers ...
Although you're right: ambitions and promises were about what!

[Victor_B]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Victor Petrovich! Why dissemble?

Yes, no guile!
Just a fear that not the same rake will come.

[Vladimir1155]

so you tell me ... why is Russia naval missile defense? there is almost no land

[Victor_B]

Quote: vladimir1155

... why does Russia need a naval missile defense? there is almost no land

For the same as the Aegis Americans.
Shoot down their missiles near launch areas. On take off!

[Vladimir1155]

and you look at the map, America is surrounded by water, and Russia by NATO countries, or are you going to battleships to surround the Atlantic coast of the USA? ......

[Victor_B]

Quote: vladimir1155

America is surrounded by water, and Russia by NATO countries

Do you know exactly the deployment areas of American SSBARs?

[Vladimir1155]

I know for sure the location areas of cities and industrial centers of the Russian Federation

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vladimir1155

so you tell me ... why is Russia naval missile defense? there is almost no land

1. Marine missile defense is needed to destroy ICBMs / SLBMs at the AUT, when both the speeds are small and the warheads have not yet split / divorced at the aiming points.
2. About the ground missile defense. From 2022, they promise to start production of a mobile missile defense system based on the S-500 Prometheus. They say that it will be better than that of the Yankees TNAAD. Then it will be possible to cover up large administrative and industrial facilities and cities with a population of one million. They will also strengthen the defense of the Central Reconnaissance Center, which will also be covered by the A-235.
Somehow, however.

[silver_roman]

let the lasers and other nonsense to George Lucas and his star wars. you need a massive, proven, simple ship with a series of 30-40 ships. this will be good. just still need sites. so that this series for 15 years went into operation. Nafig do not need all these lasers, etc. For most tasks of the same caliber with onyx, enough for the eyes.

[Boa kaa]

Damn, like in a childhood song about a ship with horses:
"A mine pierced the bottom of the ship, far away from the ground ...
That's all...
But I feel sorry
Redheads who have not seen the land. "(C)

[Victor_B]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Damn, like in a childhood song about a ship with horses:

A very strong song!
And only with a guitar. She has never been on the air.

[Victor_B]

Judging by the minus received, someone really does not like this song.
Or me.

[Victor_B]

Dear Wonderful Opinion Responsive comrade!
Could you reveal yourself so that I can enjoy minus you.
Absolutely not able to understand why this song is hated by anyone.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Victor_B

Absolutely not able to understand why this song is hated by anyone.

Thanks, downloaded.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Victor_B

this song

Victor Petrovich! Thank you sincerely for the song. Once again returned to childhood, already a tear came up ...
About minus one. Apparently something is wrong with them ... I personally also don’t understand what is not suitable for them in your posts? All 3 pluses are mine.
Sincerely, KAA.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

About minus one. Apparently something is wrong with them ...

I statistically discovered that under almost all my posts, which are absolutely neutral, in most cases one or two minuses appear. Is always. Sure!
This is not counting some polemic topics. In one, I recently received more than one and a half hundred minuses. There, a dozen of a couple of these unlovers personally me are insignificant.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

About minus one. Apparently something is wrong with them ... I personally also don’t understand what is not suitable for them in your posts? All 3 pluses are mine.
Sincerely, KAA.

These two have come to you!
For toxic praise me for at least two minuses.

[Alex013]

Plus to you for the song! And minus not for her, but probably for other topics, comments. It used to be and "-" put and "+". When you completely hurt your soul - and leave a comment. Don't worry about virtual cons.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Alex013

And minus not for her, but probably for other topics, comments.

Well, I personally don’t remember anyone to whom I would ALWAYS always set a minus nickname.
Here, for example, the Professor, from me and the minus had pluses.
If he praised any song, such as this one, and I only put a minus for his "cunning red face"? Not sick, not included.

[Jack O'Neill]

The development of the destroyer Leader is postponed indefinitely

[URAL72]

Sad but predictable. Everything is fine with oil prices, so there will again be a surplus. I hope next year military spending will increase. The destroyer will wait, but the Ash-Husky must be built, they are more afraid. And of course, their surface fleet is huge, the submarines have more chances, especially with new weapons and a nuclear warhead. A serious argument.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: URAL72

The destroyer will wait, but the Ash-Husky must be built, they are more afraid.

Colleague, we have already gone through this in history! Already that Kriegsmarine had a toothy submarine and almost strangled Britain ... But the Fuhrer did not have a balanced fleet, there was no aircraft carrier - and the cranes and boats of Katalin came to Bismarck.
So, you want to win at sea - the system is BALANCED by the types of forces and types of ships (surface and underwater) Navy.
AHA.

[URAL72]

I agree, but a balanced fleet, we can not afford now. And the Kriegsmarine boats could not work on land. And what can 2-3 dozen zircons and calibers from one Ash tree? Well, for example, to drown England without leaving under the cover of our aircraft. And that's just one billion ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: URAL72

I agree, but a balanced fleet, we can not afford now.

Therefore, it is necessary to move step by step ...
Well, to want / dream faster ... Yes, he is.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: URAL72

drown England without leaving under the cover of our aircraft. And that's just one billion ...

1. I would very much like to "drown", but alas - the unsinkable aircraft carrier is this very England ...
2. "Billion" of what? If in rubles, then Severodvinsk -50, Kazan - 47, and "M" will cost 41 billion rubles ...
3. I am convinced that the 885s will have a round-robin battalion if they have to shoot at the designated T. So that the eyes of the Anglitsky missile defense / air defense were scattered all over 360 *, and the RCs approached by a handful (with a minimum interval) from different heights and directions. This is to amuse-please the calculations of the air defense system!
AHA.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: URAL72

. The destroyer will wait

Its just stupid nowhere to build.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Its just stupid nowhere to build

Yeah, oh so ... Mordvin, talk to mine? I’ll break it once, my friend :)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Yeah, oh so ... Mordvin, talk to mine? I’ll break it once, my friend :)

And this is not my opinion, but Midshipman’s work on the Star. They are overloaded with orders. So go by.

[Grits]

Quote: Mordvin 3

On asterisk work

Do not confuse "Zvezdochka" (Severodvinsk) and "Zvezda" (Big Stone).
Personally, I do not confuse. Because my uncle works on the Star, and I worked on the Star ...

[Grits]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Its just stupid nowhere to build.

A bit wrong.
Nowhere to build it,
nothing to build
no one to build
and nothing to build on.

[Alex013]

I agree. But the most offensive thing is that our "partners" directly affect oil prices.

[UAZ 452]

And who surprises? The most cherished dream of our defense design bureaus is every year to begin the development of the next "non-global analogs" projects, receiving, of course, government funding, but at the same time not to bring any of them to serial production, when all the jambs come out, and beautiful pictures in Photoshop and bravura presentations everyone learned to draw.

[Victor_B]

And why can they still live?
Design pans?
So when stamping, anyway the weapon will turn out.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Victor_B

Design pans?

And weak for them to design the largest yacht for Abramovich?

[Sergei 777]

Well, just not the time for such ships. Industry is not ready to build such massively. The leader is too big, the lead ship will be built in 6-7 years + completion afloat + tests of different levels. Bottom line: in 10-12 years we will get 1 super expensive ship. Well, maybe the second will be under construction. Why is this necessary. I am for a strong but adequate fleet. It’s better to build 22350-12 pieces of Fergat 16M over the years, they are only slightly inferior to the American destroyers.

[Sky strike fighter]

I agree. But first, before you build it, you still need to understand how many years this Leader will be designed in our realities. It looks like a utopia. Although we would have built destroyers in serial production like in China, I would have been both hands for the construction of the Leader, but I need to measure my desires with the possibilities.

[Lamata]

Soyuzmultvoenproekt.

[Lamata]

What was expected)))) Now you can calmly and evenly sit on the ahedron.

[Adimius38]

and not surprisingly, at such a scale of theft and corruption, the destroyer leader will remain only on paper. The approximate cost of one destroyer is 100 billion rubles. In Russia, the scale of corruption does not decrease, said the head of the Accounts Chamber Alexei Kudrin. According to him, the volume of corruption is measured in trillions of rubles.

[Voltsky]

But what is the meaning of the leader, if frigates 22350 in their characteristics approach the destroyers?

[Vladimir1155]

the point is to cut the loot and get bonuses and vanity

[Topgun]

you can shove a ballistic missile onto a boat and get a "destroyer", and don't care that it has seaworthiness a couple of tens of kilometers from the coast, instead of a radar - the captain's binoculars, and instead of an air defense - the team's weapons
I hope the analogy is clear?
on large ships, completely different radars, air defense, etc. etc. You can’t just shove divisional weapons into the company and call the company a division
everything should be balanced ...

[Vladimir1155]

is it you on karkurt? but in general, what are you talking about? no one offers to push ballistic missiles onto a boat, they are carried by nuclear submarines, they have both range and stealth, and so on, which the destroyer never dreamed of

[Voltsky]

Quote: Topgun

you can shove a ballistic missile onto a boat and get a "destroyer", and don't care that it has seaworthiness a couple of tens of kilometers from the coast, instead of a radar - the captain's binoculars, and instead of an air defense - the team's weapons
I hope the analogy is clear?
on large ships, completely different radars, air defense, etc. etc. You can’t just shove divisional weapons into the company and call the company a division
everything should be balanced ...

why are you sorry ?!
A frigate is a ship in the far sea zone, with appropriate seaworthiness; so where lies the meaning in what you described do not know, and there is no logic in your delirium is not traced, and the analogy in the style of compare the iron with the piano :)

With the evolution of 22350 to 22350M, we get a ship comparable to the "arleigh burke" or even superior in its capabilities, and you cure your gigantomania;

ps The price of building one monster is comparable to the price of ~ 3-4 frigates 22350 and ~ 2-3 22350M; I hope to explain that the 4 frigates combined into a common network are more powerful in terms of weapons, including electronic ones (horror radars are also easily integrated into the network by synergy) than 1 cruiser or a floating battery

[Topgun]

funny, I wonder why people build big ships if you can build a lot of small ones? stupid?
such generals, engineers in the design bureau sit there and do not understand anything ...
when you shove a large caliber into a small ship, you sacrifice something in any way, I am silent that it is impossible to shove something into a small ship because it has insufficient energy capabilities, etc. etc.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Topgun

funny, I wonder why people build big ships if you can build a lot of small ones? stupid?
such generals, engineers in the design bureau sit there and do not understand anything ...
when you shove a large caliber into a small ship, you sacrifice something in any way, I am silent that it is impossible to shove something into a small ship because it has insufficient energy capabilities, etc. etc.

funny, I wonder why the navy is allocating funds for those ships that I noticed, and not for those giants for whom you advocate, stupid yes ?!
Such generals, engineers in the design bureau sit there and understand nothing ...
when you spend a lot of weapons and money on one expensive ship, you are sacrificing something, I’m already silent about building one ship instead of 3, you will leave a number of directions uncovered by nothing at all, since in life, unlike the Sims game, you can’t enter cheat code, etc. etc.
I tried to answer with your theses :)

[Topgun]

In short, why not a Leader ?: "There is no money, but you are holding on."
And why did engineers and generals take on the "Leader" from nefig? No! But then oil at 150 ran out and I had to cut the Wishlist ...
and about it is possible to build 3 ships instead of one is generally ridiculous, but how many inflatable boats can be bought instead of the 1st frigate? throw in general the whole Pacific Ocean with them :)))
Where did you see that I stand for big ships? :)) I stand for a sound mind
here is your first comment saying why the destroyer if the frigate is almost the same - it is by definition not the same
decided to choose frigates - a compromise in view of the economic situation, I have absolutely nothing against it, on the contrary, I’m used to trust the pros, if they decided that way, it’s necessary, they know much more than I do on the couch
it burns when they try to say that the frigate is almost equal to the destroyer ...

[Topgun]

and even in military affairs such math "3 is better than 1" often does not work
for example, if the destroyer has a long-range missile, then 10 frigates will not do anything to him because they will not be able to shoot ...

[Voltsky]

I advise you to learn to read, I wrote right away ... what is being built, what is there for money and you continued to insist that the destroyer is better, and then again agreed with me that there is no money, and again you continue to bend your line that the destroyer is better. No one argues that the nuclear-powered cruiser is better than the frigate ... So while there is no money, 22350 is better than the Leader all ...

following your logic, I need to offer a spaceship with the ability to enter the atmosphere, warp engine and plasma guns

[Topgun]

Quote: Voletsky

But what is the meaning of the leader, if frigates 22350 in their characteristics approach the destroyers?

:)) and where was I supposed to read

Quote: Voletsky

what is being built, what is the money

read your thoughts? sorry, I don’t know how ...
here you are trying to bring the frigate closer to the destroyer - not so, as they say in Odessa, these are 2 big differences ...

[Graz]

this destroyer will be much more intelligent and more necessary for any aircraft carriers

[Voltsky]

aircraft carrier - a floating base, given the composition of the AUG is an iron argument for any Papuan + this is credibility. And the fact that the AUG is destroyed by a nuclear strike, well, they are not made for a nuclear war, they are the trigger of such a war. For the destruction of any such toy is the beginning of a nuclear war.

[Million]

Probably a new player in some kind of football team bought

[Lexus]

Vlad
Rather, the time has come to re-promise him again.

[The Siberian barber]

For me: good news!)
EM, under 20k. tons, yes with nuclear power plants, will look more like a "death star")) About the financial component, similarly

[UEPE]

Sorry, but you're wrong.

[The Siberian barber]

In what? Please explain)

[Dikson]

Thank God, at least one good news .. Projectors around the Moscow Region have proliferated - all with super-duper projects of something "unparalleled in the world" .. They started glueing models for exhibitions and spending money on projects .. The main phrase after loud announcements - the terms of development, modernization, design and testing are "shifted to the right" .. This phrase has already set the teeth on edge and reminds of an anecdote about theft from the project: "the financial circuit turned out to be open." project "Leader" .. Here they order and draw in batches of nuclear-powered ships for the Arctic .. -there is money for that .. And for the indistinct, but terribly beautiful "Leader" there is no money or energy .. And rightly so .. will not do the oceans, except perhaps to ride admirals at the parade .. Yes, and the government has changed .. and those who have come will probably have their own mega-projects .. they will find where to spend money ... Still, they would stop chewing on the idea of ​​building (it is not clear where and by what forces) aircraft carriers ... for which there are no planes or pilots in principle .. it would be very good. Because all this enthusiastic projecting strongly resembles the pre-war USSR .. It is not necessary to invent isolated wunderwales, but to put successful developments on the stream and fill the Navy .. And not only the Navy ..

[The Siberian barber]

I agree with you!
It is necessary to increase the number of ships. Let it be relatively inexpensive, but massive "workhorses", with average performance characteristics.
Wunderwaffles, in single copies, will not make any weather

[Evil Booth]

maybe texococatalon barber? how do you know what will do. if in more detail))

[The Siberian barber]

Mr., who took a photo of a respected person in the avatar, would have to learn good manners!) If you have an understanding of what it is))

[Vladimir1155]

well and good! and we don’t need super pots either, we decided to continue the already launched series of frigates with a tried-and-true, well-balanced decision! No one needs battleships, especially battleship destroyers, the time of large surface ships has gone irrevocably, and it will end in 10-15 years with the cancellation of Nakhimov and all the ticonderoger .

[Ajevgenij]

Yeah, from empty to empty. For how the cheeks are pushed down-)

[Evil Booth]

1) there is no combination of takeoff and hangar of a helicopter (avik lift or aparedl bdk motr with surprise) 2) there are no rails to lift UAVs carrying anti-ship missiles and reconnaissance hundreds of kilometers in one direction for a thousand attacks. 1) there is no point of interaction with the submarine. 3) there is no armor on underwater infantrymen with adjustable buoyancy. The 4-anti-torpedo anti-torpedo is not autonomous, but autonomy is weak and the retailer and esm pardon will float to the nearest port / blackmail the fresh water. 5 on the nose there is 6 gun instead of 7 on board air defense missile defense systems of various calibers and at least it reflects a salvo attack .1 on the arm the radar sees more .8 speed goals than. There is no warhead like a torus on an air defense system. 8 there is no anti-ballistic defense. 9 there is no compartment for universal and large sub-missile / landing / cargo / UAV / fuel water. 10 Water can also evaporate the efficiency of not 11% tamzharko. and further down the line, it’s not clear what will be done instead of harpoons, and that’s ours is always new but outdated and unih eternal and omnipotent

[UEPE]

Ugh, on you, having such technologies and breakthrough ideas, everything is possible.

I wait, comrades under the nickname AVIOR and Paul Siebert, my box is here.

[sabakina]

A promising nuclear destroyer isn’t even being discussed now, it is a distant future. (...)

[shoroh]

Thank God they refused. It’s better to build more ordinary ships than spend a lot of money and time on one or two pennants. Moreover, there’s not much time left for the campaign

[Maxim R.]

Whoever doubts this, telling stories not to build ships

[silver_roman]

voiced what everyone knew for so long. But in any case, this is all reasonable. Now we need nosebleeds for a large series of fleet workhorses. I hope that they will become 22350m.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Piramidon

Rather, in the economic. Where to get money for all Wishlist?

It is too.
What comes first - a chicken or an egg?
But political tasks lie ahead. The Saudis have money to eat at least backwards! And they will never build AB because they are not needed at all.

The founders need to know. They argued that politics is a concentrated expression of the economy. I have no way to refute this. And you?

[military pensioner]

There is no time for the authorities to engage in strengthening the Navy. "Zvezda" is loaded for several years ahead with orders for super-gas carriers and ice-class tankers for Sechin's "Rosneft".

[God save the king]

And what does not suit you? "atomic superlinkers" cannot be smeared on bread, so the country needs tankers. Previously, they were bought in Korea, but now we are starting to build them ourselves, but the Russophobes are unhappy here too ...

[bars1]

rudolffAre you also a thief and a liar or are you all alone in white? I recommend to be careful in the statements, for your own benefit.

[Hog]

As they say, who would doubt it.

[Aleks2000]

And no one doubted it

[Alexey from Perm]

that's not even surprising

[God save the king]

That's nice, it means the freed up resources will go to more relevant and necessary projects.
From the construction of nuclear battleships and aircraft carriers will be only harm.

[75 Sergey]

And why is it needed, what tasks will the front stand?

[Albachino]

This is not worth worrying about. All these wafentragent ship are toys for sale. No one dares to attack us if there are even a dozen other atomic bombs. North Korea is an example. Less money will go to cut and more to more needed projects.

[IC]

Currently, the design and construction of new ships is extremely long. This greatly increases the cost. But most importantly, by the time the program ends, projects are twice morally aging.
Those. construction can smoothly go into modernization. First of all, it is necessary to radically change the design technology and rebuild production.
It is surprising that the commentators of the portal practically do not understand the economic and financial realities.
Solid fantasies and Wishlist. In the country, stagnation in the economy has been going on for many years, and one should proceed from this factor.

[Dima_Anlim]

I totally agree. As an example, heavy military UAVs in Russia. For several years they have been experiencing (experiencing and testing) heavy UAVs of the first version (the same Orion, Altair and others), and not one of them has been accepted for service, has not been launched into the series, but the Ministry of Defense is already joyfully announcing the development of the future two-three year olds testing upgraded versions of these devices! That is, these have not been debugged for many years, they have not been brought to mind, but they are already preparing to experience a few more new years! This is called a budget cut. Insolent cut. In this we are not inferior to the Americans - we know how to cut money.

[Warrior MorePhoto]

If 22350M is laid on the slipways where it was planned to lay the Leaders, then this is correct, we will receive 5-2 pieces of 3M every 22350 years and I think that is very good, because we need them!
But when they finish the C 500 in the marine version, then the Leader will be welcome

[Grits]

Quote: Warrior StillTot

If on the slipways where it was planned to lay the Leaders

They did not plan to lay

[Nikolaevich I]

What is this? "Effective managers" stole more from the budget than planned "for five years"?

[mmk]

As I understand it, the shipyards are prepared for projects of frigates with a displacement of 5400 tons

[Evil Booth]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

Wunderwaffles, in single copies, will not make any weather

are you talking about tu160 several or something else?

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Destroyer leader. The displacement is 19000 tons, which is comparable to the Orlan Project Heavy Atomic Missile Cruiser ...
In early publications on the destroyer Leader, it was indicated that the project was being prepared in two versions: with a nuclear and conventional power plant. Moreover, with a gas turbine, the displacement of the destroyer was much less than with a nuclear one and, as I recall, amounted to 10 tons in the region.
Then, the conventional power plant was abandoned in favor of a nuclear one (again, as I understand it, in connection with the events in Ukraine and the lack of its own).
Now we have ship turbines, diesels, gearboxes, so that prevents returning to the project with a conventional power plant. It can be assumed that the ship will become cheaper both in construction and maintenance, and in terms of displacement it will look more like a destroyer ...

And yet, in 2012 there were a number of publications about the project 21956 of the Northern PKB. then in a number of publications it was called "the destroyer of the future". Then the project of the destroyer Leader appeared and they forgot about 21956 ...
So what did project 21956 of the Northern PKB not please?

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

By the way, in the photo for the article it was project 21956 of the Northern PKB, I was not mistaken?

[yaros]

Quote: Self

Too shy to ask

I am embarrassed to answer that Neva is nearing the completion of the 2 largest nuclear icebreakers in the world and one is being tested, last year APEC left, opposite Admiralty shipyards, cranes are visible from the balcony, submarines and trawlers plow seven days a week ... up the Neva Pella like he lowers the patties of the court, and so on .... This is all empty in your mind, because it is parallel ....

[KrolikZanuda]

Has common sense triumphed?

[Dima_Anlim]

Not a bit surprised. Not surprised at all. The main thing was what? Show beautiful pictures of the layout and rip the admiring "Wow" from the cheers of the patriots.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Of course, it would be nice to have as many aircraft carriers and destroyers as the United States ... But why should Russia - the largest, not aggressive and not the richest country - need them? The coastal zone is closed, a significant area is covered by submarines, Poseidons, land-based and sea-based missiles. There will be extra funds - it will be possible to increase the number of landing helicopter carriers (two are already going to be laid) and build a pair of medium and large aircraft carriers, a number of destroyers.
And I like the new layout more.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Why do you like the new layout: it looks like a REAL project and its stability compared to the previous one. Introducing the previous one to pitching, I had great doubts. And this one is good and beautiful. And beautiful ships go well.

[Connor MacLeod]

06 × 23560
12 × 22350
24 × 20385

06 × 885
12 × 545
24 × 677

[lvov_aleksey]

I do not believe the author

[Alexey Petrovichev]

Build more frigates 22350M. And then another saw cut dough on OCD