There is a discussion in Germany whether to recognize the Holodomor as genocide of Ukrainians


Although the exact date has not yet been determined, the German parliament will soon consider adopting a resolution on the Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932-1933. The Bundestag will decide whether to consider these events as genocide of the Ukrainian people.


A German professor discusses this topic in his article. stories Stefan Plaggenborg on the pages of the Frankfurter Allgemeine. He believes that it is wrong to call the famine in the USSR in the 30s of the last century the genocide of Ukrainians. Moreover, he is surprised that the Bundestag generally considers it necessary to deal with this issue. On the one hand, Germany has nothing to do with the Ukrainian famine and its organization, and on the other, the German Ministry of the Interior has previously recommended to refuse to consider this initiative.

Professor Plaggenborg does not deny that in 1932-1933 the activities of the central and local authorities in the USSR led to starvation, which killed several million people. But he cannot understand why it is only about Ukrainians, because among the dead there were many Kazakhs, Germans of the Volga region and Ukraine, Russians. In addition, the researchers failed to find a single document that would prove that Stalin and the party leadership demanded the destruction of the Ukrainian nation.

The author of the article also says that Ukrainian historians consider the events of the 30s in the USSR as genocide in the Ukrainian-German commission on the Holodomor, while the German representatives of the commission do not support this point of view.

Plaggenborg also reasonably notes that even if the Bundestag decides to recognize the famine in Ukraine as genocide, this decision will in no way affect anything.
Ctrl Enter

Noticed a mistake Highlight text and press. Ctrl + Enter

153 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Vladimir_2U 7 February 2020 16: 02 New
    • 14
    • 7
    +7
    Bullshit, both about activity and about quantity.
    1. Finches 7 February 2020 16: 18 New
      • 19
      • 3
      +16
      That’s what it is in reality, this is genocide of the brain of Ukrainians ... Ragul microbes unknown to science in the countryside! laughing
      1. Dmitry Donskoy 7 February 2020 16: 32 New
        • 14
        • 3
        +11
        And I thought it was a sinful thing that only our Duma was engaged in all kinds of nonsense, but it turned out that the Bundestag also had nothing to do. repeat
        1. Warrior with machine gun 7 February 2020 17: 50 New
          • 13
          • 1
          +12
          Already someone, and the Bundestag on such issues should stick their tongue between their own buns for another 150 years at least, they’ve come there with bread and salt, (the Nuremberg process dulls if these barkers already started)
          1. Nikolai Grek 7 February 2020 22: 10 New
            • 3
            • 0
            +3
            Quote: Warrior with a machine gun
            Already someone, and the Bundestag on such issues should stick their tongue between their own buns for another 150 years at least, they’ve come there with bread and salt, (the Nuremberg process dulls if these barkers already started)

            Euromerikosses (together with all kinds of mongrels such as the Baltic states, Psheks or Svidamit) with persistence worthy of a better application, do the same (adjusted for modern times), which led to WWII !! am
            1. Warrior with machine gun 10 February 2020 20: 02 New
              • 1
              • 0
              +1
              Yes, and PMV, too, personally reminds me even more.
              1. Nikolai Grek 10 February 2020 22: 01 New
                • 2
                • 0
                +2
                Quote: Warrior with a machine gun
                Yes, and PMV, too, personally reminds me even more.

                it is possible ... however ... the consequences of the "second" are much more tragic !!! request
      2. Commandant 7 February 2020 16: 44 New
        • 17
        • 1
        +16
        Quote: Finches
        That’s what it is in reality, this is genocide of the brain of Ukrainians ... Ragul microbes unknown to science in the countryside! laughing

        Everything is much simpler and more cynical here Eugene .. Such a world hitting Russia is not just like that .. In Russia they want to make excuses and apologize first and foremost .. And then the main wave will go, these are claims for huge amounts (like Germany, the Germans see already payments sharply cut how much you can already pay) ..
        But Russia is rich and gaining weight ..
        By the way, Jews began to file claims against Poland for the return of property, etc. There’s something worth 300 billion, because Jews in Poland owned almost half of everything that was there ..
        So think who benefits from this persecution and fraud of historical facts .. It costs us to apologize at least once and EVERYTHING! Fact recorded
        1. Pete mitchell 7 February 2020 17: 15 New
          • 10
          • 1
          +9
          Quote: Commandant
          ... Should we apologize at least once and EVERYTHING! Fact recorded

          I very much agree with you: to back off in something and then really try to monetize all these insinuations. In no case should you give in.
          It all started not yesterday and will not end tomorrow. So in 2000, in the afternoon of Friday, I happened to be in the same line at the airport of the capital of Europe - Brussels. The afternoon of Friday is noteworthy for the fact that European deputies fly home. Two organisms in suits are standing and talking aloud that the Germans are not good people and refuse to help the European Parliament promote their claims to the Russian Federation about “occupations, seizures” and the like, accordingly avoiding any talk of compensation. After a modest remark that the Germans think about the future, so that they do not have such demands 'gentlemen' retreated ... so these ideas newly emerging democracies someone very competently prompts and cold war continues
          1. lucul 7 February 2020 19: 14 New
            • 0
            • 3
            -3
            So someone very competently prompts these ideas to the newly emerging democracies and the Cold War continues

            These warfare continues from the time of Svyatoslav ....
            By the way - NOT ONE HUD.the film was not removed about Svyatoslav - NOT ONE - the taboo ....
            1. orionvitt 8 February 2020 06: 40 New
              • 1
              • 0
              +1
              Quote: lucul
              NOT ONE HUD.Film was shot about Svyatoslav - NOT ONE - taboo

              Filmed. In Soviet times. And about Svyatoslav, and about Princess Olga, and about Prince Igor. In general, about the unification of Slavic tribes into a single state. The topic is especially relevant now.
        2. Finches 7 February 2020 17: 26 New
          • 15
          • 2
          +13
          Yes, I seriously do not perceive news from Ukraine since 1991! And other republics lymetrofah! I like how Father Butk makes himself emperor Palpatine or Kazakhstan seeks the historical roots of the Great Kazakhstan Haganate, or how the Komsomol forgive Lord Gribauskaite told the world how she fought underground with the Soviet occupation, Azerbaijan, which, apart from selling tomatoes and oil, is nothing more Doesn’t know how, mows under a superpower ... laughing
          1. Commandant 7 February 2020 17: 49 New
            • 6
            • 1
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            or Kazakhstan is looking for the historical roots of the Great Kazakhstan Haganate, or how the Komsomol forgive Lord Gribauskaite told the world how it fought underground with the Soviet occupation, Azerbaijan, which apart from selling tomatoes and oil no longer knows anything, mows under a superpower ...

            Don’t tell Eugene, it’s kind of funny looking at their attempts and at the same time sad how they betray and fool ..
            And most importantly, this is one hundred Russia out of all the troubles comes out updated and even stronger .. I really hope so !!
            Write Zyabletsov, but be careful .. It's a pity if they shoot at you .. hi
            1. Finches 7 February 2020 19: 02 New
              • 3
              • 0
              +3
              hi I try, but not always succeed ...
              1. Commandant 7 February 2020 19: 27 New
                • 4
                • 0
                +4
                Quote: Finches
                hi I try, but not always succeed ...

                You’re doing well, but I don’t really .. But I do not lose my fortitude hi Good luck and pure soul, patience in this terrible mess of information .. soldier
          2. Kerensky 7 February 2020 21: 03 New
            • 1
            • 0
            +1
            Azerbaijan, which, in addition to selling tomatoes and oil no longer knows how,

            Strongly against. Do you say tomatoes? Have you tried to grow them? To transport? Keep? Pens to sort through constantly ?!
            Do not treat people like this ....
            1. Commandant 7 February 2020 21: 42 New
              • 1
              • 0
              +1
              Quote: Kerensky
              Azerbaijan, which, in addition to selling tomatoes and oil no longer knows how,

              Strongly against. Do you say tomatoes? Have you tried to grow them? To transport? Keep? Pens to sort through constantly ?!
              Do not treat people like this ....

              It was earlier to grow it, now they are buying up or taking away on the spot .. Well, crime, etc.
              You don’t have to drive here .. The cultivators of tomatoes and cloves are you "ours" .. We don’t have to powder our brains with tomatoes ..

              Everything is written ..
        3. UEPE 8 February 2020 00: 39 New
          • 0
          • 0
          0
          I, fully support you, worse, discredit and substitution, absolute with zero .....
        4. maidan.izrailovich 8 February 2020 02: 54 New
          • 2
          • 2
          0
          Should we apologize at least once and EVERYTHING! Fact recorded

          So already "fixed."
          The so-called "Katyn case". The traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin recognized the lies and falsification as truth.
          Why is the current leadership of the country silent? We are silent, and fabricated guilt continues to hang on us.
      3. Karaul73 7 February 2020 17: 07 New
        • 3
        • 11
        -8
        Yes, your statements, comrades fascism smack! You need to be more human.
        1. The black 7 February 2020 17: 14 New
          • 9
          • 1
          +8
          The Holodomor was the result of the actions of an "enlightened" Europe, primarily Great Britain, which refused to sell the necessary machines to the Union, even for gold, only for grain, in order to create this hunger. And by the way, I remember a stable phrase - "starving Volga", which suggests that hunger was everywhere, and not just in Ukraine.
          1. Commandant 7 February 2020 18: 01 New
            • 7
            • 1
            +6
            Quote: Black
            The Holodomor was the result of the actions of an "enlightened" Europe, primarily Great Britain, which refused to sell the necessary machines to the Union, even for gold, only for grain, in order to create this hunger.

            But you're right. Thanks recently I read an article in the AIF about this! By the way, after the NEP vaunted, when it was covered up .. Deliveries of grain increased 10 times .. And the collective farms were nevertheless more expedient in our sharply continental conditions and we won the Great Patriotic War due to the concentration of everyone and everything in agriculture ....
            I do not praise collectivization (the excesses were enormous), but for Soviet Russia in complete blockade. This was the only way ...
            We demanded grain and currency from Russia for a breakthrough in the country's industrialization, we needed it like air ..
            These are the things Black in counterintelligence .. hi
          2. Karaul73 7 February 2020 18: 02 New
            • 1
            • 4
            -3
            But Ukraine cannot call for the recognition of the Holodomor of the Volga population! What side of the Volga to Ukraine. Remember and do it yourself so that it does not happen again. And we will remember our grandfathers and grandmothers, who were starving and were happy in childhood to any biscuit cracker. And we will remember great-grandfathers who died of hunger right in the field on arable land.
            1. Egoza 7 February 2020 18: 21 New
              • 6
              • 0
              +6
              Quote: Sentry73
              What side of the Volga to Ukraine.

              Well, there are pictures from the Volga region. When the "guides" in the "museum" poked it in the nose, they proudly declared: "So what? Ukrainians lived there too"
            2. maidan.izrailovich 8 February 2020 02: 58 New
              • 2
              • 1
              +1
              And we will remember ...

              We will also remember how the Petliurites and other ukronatsiks slaughtered Russians in the Russian city of Kiev.
              1. The comment was deleted.
          3. mikstepanenko 7 February 2020 19: 17 New
            • 3
            • 2
            +1
            The Holodomor "was a consequence of the actions of the" enlightened "Europe ..... by the way, I remember the stable phrase -" starving Volga "

            You confuse several processes that took place at different times. The famine in the Volga region 1921-1922, the so-called famine of 1932-1933. In the Volga region there was a drought, and famine was its consequence. The famine of 1932-1933 had several reasons; it was not only in the territory of the Union, but throughout Eastern Europe. But the Union was hit hardest of all, the reason for which was the illiterate actions of the authorities. That year there were ideal conditions for the development of sporella, it is a fungal disease of the cereal. Because the crop was less than planned and heavily infected with sporella. The non-observance of the elementary norms of agricultural technology in individual farms played a role. And this is a poisonous and hallucinogenic fungus. In the Union, contracts for the supply of equipment were concluded for the harvest. The harvest was less than planned, and therefore the supply of equipment for industrialization was disrupted. This is one reason why the crop was raked, sometimes cleaned up. Plus that year, collectivization began, violent. There are several reasons. It is impossible for individual farmers to comply with the rules of agricultural technology (which means the harvest suffered) and it is very difficult to ensure grain procurement (and this is a source of funds for industrialization). But the peasants forcibly driven into collective farms sabotaged the work, plus sporella, as a result, the harvest is much lower than planned. Plus, at night, peasants massively removed bread from their former plots and hid it in pits, and there are ideal conditions for the development of sporella. As a result, in the winter people were starving, but there were almost no starvation deaths. In the spring, when the snow fell, they began to open pits, grind grain in hand mills and consume it. Mass poisoning has gone. Famine was a frequent occurrence in tsarist Russia (and indeed in Europe); it always looked the same. Weight loss, "living skeletons", was even the expression "bony hand of hunger." In 1932-33, the picture was different - people were massively swollen, their stomachs swelled. This indicates poisoning, liver failure. And if the "living skeleton" can still be saved, then with a liver failure it is impossible. When the authorities understood this, they grabbed their heads and took possible measures. Confiscation of all grain, the pits were searched and the grain was raked. Then it was washed, dried on elevators and distributed among the canteens, both urban and collective farms (they did not give sole farmers). And people with bloated stomachs (it was already impossible to save them) were isolated. Up to the point that entire villages were surrounded by troops and did not allow anyone to leave.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Finches 7 February 2020 19: 01 New
          • 3
          • 1
          +2
          Quote: Sentry73
          Yes, your statements, comrades fascism smack! You need to be more human.

          And although there is no fascism in my statements, nevertheless I will answer you - And your defeatism and liberal repentance - it is still unknown what is worse for Russia! However, it is known that two Empires under such repose collapsed, but they do not allow the third to be reborn! But Russia was, is and will be the third Rome, in spite of even the national - the betrayal of some! hi
          1. Chigi 7 February 2020 21: 04 New
            • 0
            • 4
            -4
            Please specify, and what are these "two Empires" ruined? I only know one thing.
            1. Finches 7 February 2020 21: 09 New
              • 4
              • 1
              +3
              Because, apparently, you are a loser laughing
              1. Chigi 7 February 2020 21: 18 New
                • 0
                • 2
                -2
                So what is it worth you to teach us, the two-man students, a lesson "in their field"?
                The gut is thin? am
                1. Finches 7 February 2020 21: 21 New
                  • 2
                  • 1
                  +1
                  Each lesson, in the modern world of commodity-money relations, costs money - pay - I will conduct classes! In the meantime, for free, they will be likened to you - mock, troll and mock! laughing
                  1. Chigi 7 February 2020 21: 24 New
                    • 0
                    • 2
                    -2
                    All clear laughing Needless to say, you’re “lying.” am
                    What dialogue brought up)
                    1. Finches 7 February 2020 21: 28 New
                      • 2
                      • 2
                      0
                      You won - you are great!
            2. Commandant 7 February 2020 21: 23 New
              • 2
              • 1
              +1
              Quote: Chigi
              Please specify, and what are these "two Empires" ruined? I only know one thing.

              You do not know this ..? laughing
              Quote: Finches
              Because, apparently, you are a loser

              To the point of Eugene .. Victim of the Unified State Examination .. What is taught there generally horror ..
              I was not an excellent student, but compared to these, I feel like Einstein ..! crying
              And the most offensive is how aggressive they are in their ignorance in everything. and they still impose this on us. hi
              We are forming a consumer society, but we will not allow this ..
              1. Finches 7 February 2020 21: 24 New
                • 2
                • 1
                +1
                Your truth ... Sorry! hi
              2. Chigi 7 February 2020 21: 32 New
                • 0
                • 5
                -5
                Uh, not ... The question was not about the 2 great empires that fell apart.
                Here is a quote
                Quote: Finches
                However, it is known that two Empires under such repose collapsed, but they do not allow the third to be reborn!

                So you yourself are a victim of the exam.
                What 2 Empires fell apart under repentance ????
                And Dear, Do not Rude Me More am
                1. Commandant 7 February 2020 22: 55 New
                  • 1
                  • 1
                  0
                  Quote: Chigi
                  Uh, not ... The question was not about the 2 great empires that fell apart.
                  Here is a quote
                  Quote: Finches
                  However, it is known that two Empires under such repose collapsed, but they do not allow the third to be reborn!

                  So you yourself are a victim of the exam.
                  What 2 Empires fell apart under repentance ????
                  And Dear, Do not Rude Me More am

                  Relax and do not spoil the people communication .. voltage or anestend? negative Or whatever you have .. laughing
                  1. Chigi 7 February 2020 22: 57 New
                    • 2
                    • 4
                    -2
                    In the nibble at us like you give. Shut up, if you have nothing to say, do not blather, dear)
                    1. Commandant 7 February 2020 23: 14 New
                      • 2
                      • 1
                      +1
                      Quote: Chigi
                      In the nibble at us like you give. Shut up, if you have nothing to say, do not blather, dear)

                      yes I am silent bully ..And what is said then and why is such malice dear? I'm just like that
                      Go to sleep .!
                      1. Chigi 7 February 2020 23: 20 New
                        • 0
                        • 1
                        -1
                        Quote: Commandant
                        Relax and do not spoil the people communication .. voltage or anestend? negative Or whatever you have ..

                        Well, what are you, what anger may be with me, well, what are you)))
                        Sleep well)
        4. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 7 February 2020 19: 51 New
          • 1
          • 4
          -3
          Yes, you went ...
        5. UEPE 8 February 2020 00: 41 New
          • 0
          • 0
          0
          no, this is not fascism - We just want to live!
    2. 1959ain 7 February 2020 16: 27 New
      • 7
      • 0
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Bullshit about both activity and quantity
      German occupation of Ukraine in 1917-18, 1941-43. genocide of Ukrainians is not considered am
    3. Thrifty 7 February 2020 16: 50 New
      • 3
      • 1
      +2
      But what about Polyakhia, for most of the "holomorian Ukraine" at that time was part of Polyakhia?
      1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 01: 28 New
        • 0
        • 3
        -3
        And there was no hunger, the brother’s wife was from a village in the Khmelnitsky region, the border was behind the village, so they went there for bread, they could change everything for everything.
  2. The leader of the Redskins 7 February 2020 16: 02 New
    • 4
    • 3
    +1
    I am joining. Not the Bundestag is the thing ...
  3. NF68 7 February 2020 16: 03 New
    • 5
    • 1
    +4
    The Germans have enough of their own problems. Could pay more attention to precisely these problems.
    1. lucul 7 February 2020 16: 04 New
      • 2
      • 3
      -1
      The Germans have enough of their own problems. Could pay more attention to precisely these problems.

      Well, the Jews are demanding. ..
      1. NF68 7 February 2020 16: 06 New
        • 3
        • 2
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        The Germans have enough of their own problems. Could pay more attention to precisely these problems.

        Well, the Jews are demanding. ..


        A Jew is not very necessary. They have more questions for modern horses. And for past affairs, too, there is something to present to Ukraine.
      2. bayard 7 February 2020 16: 16 New
        • 1
        • 1
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Well, the Jews are demanding. .

        Zhydobandera - they call themselves that. And this is more than a name - there are plenty of them in Israel now.
        Vote.
        And recognize.
        Germany is now completely different - manual.
      3. Lopatov 7 February 2020 16: 24 New
        • 9
        • 0
        +9
        Quote: lucul
        Well, the Jews are demanding.

        ?
        Jews, on the contrary, are actively opposed.
        As far as I understand, they believe that there was one genocide, and all the others "erode" it.

        However, they themselves are not without sin. Their Holocaust essentially “obscures” the much larger-scale destruction by the Nazis of various groups in Europe.

        Ukrainians are simply trying to follow their path. Selecting from a huge tragedy of Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus their small, sovereign "genocide", and trying to argue. that only they were purposefully destroyed, moreover, “Moscow” did it. And all the other Slavs and Kazakhs died of starvation just like that, through their own fault.
        1. pv1005 7 February 2020 18: 37 New
          • 1
          • 0
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          And all the other Slavs and Kazakhs died of starvation just like that, through their own fault.

          They themselves were starved to death as a sign of solidarity with the starving Ukrainians and strongly condemning the bloody regime of Stalin. am
        2. not main 8 February 2020 01: 08 New
          • 1
          • 0
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Ukrainians are simply trying to follow their path. Selecting from a huge tragedy of Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus their small, sovereign "genocide", and trying to argue. that only they were purposefully destroyed, moreover, it was done by "Moscow

          Better not say!
      4. Chigi 7 February 2020 21: 22 New
        • 2
        • 0
        +2
        Quote: lucul
        Well, the Jews are demanding. ..

        Jews in 2014 promised to "prevent the revival of fascism in Ukraine."
        Nothing, counted, cried, and allowed ... or maybe even financed.
    2. Karaul73 8 February 2020 09: 52 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      They have fewer problems. They have a budget surplus of tens of billions.
  4. Bacha 7 February 2020 16: 07 New
    • 15
    • 1
    +14
    Better let the Germans recognize the genocide of the Slavs in 1941-1944 in the USSR.
    1. paul3390 7 February 2020 16: 13 New
      • 11
      • 1
      +10
      Not only the Germans, but also their accomplices. Bandera, Balts, Hungarians, Finns. Etc.
      1. Podvodnik 7 February 2020 17: 00 New
        • 7
        • 1
        +6
        Quote: paul3390
        Not only the Germans, but also their accomplices. Bandera, Balts, Hungarians, Finns. Etc

        Ancestors near Mogilev in the occupation were. My grandmother said that most of all they were not afraid of the Germans (ordinary Wehrmacht), but of the "hangers-on" from the Baltic states. They even called them by some specific word. Being a child then, I could not understand everything, but we fought with the Germans !? Under the USSR, this was not discussed at all. I used to think that the Germans also burned Khatyn. It turned out that the "brothers" are Slavs. And we were all silent, we didn’t want to destroy friendship.
      2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 7 February 2020 19: 56 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        The whole enlightened, but terribly democratic Europe ... And yet regularly ...
  5. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 February 2020 16: 14 New
    • 3
    • 2
    +1
    Germany is generally better not to open its mouth in our direction on this topic.

    We'll bill the Fritz for 1941-1945 in life they will not pay.

    Of the 27 million dead soldiers, there were only about 000 million. The rest were civilians !!!

    In what country were they atrocities as much as in the USSR ?!

    And our politicians and diplomats need to tighter respond to such attacks of the West and their accomplices.
    1. fruit_cake 7 February 2020 17: 37 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      of these 10 million soldiers, there were few professional soldiers, the bulk of them are still the same civilians who went to the front
      1. mat-vey 8 February 2020 08: 42 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Quote: fruit_cake
        of these 10 million soldiers, there were few professional soldiers, the bulk of them are still the same civilians who went to the front

        Well, they are not born as soldiers .. but in difficult times you have to wake a soldier in yourself, although you may feel, let’s say hostility to military affairs - the main thing is to protect yourself ..
    2. Zoldat_A 7 February 2020 19: 00 New
      • 2
      • 0
      +2
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      In what country were they atrocities as much as in the USSR ?!

      Recently I watched a French film about the "terrible times of occupation" of France.
      I remember the phrase of the shopkeeper, who apologizes to the customers that “life has become hard, there is not enough food and he can offer Madame and Monsieur only three varieties of cheese” and “the wine has become completely different from what it was before”.

      And what about the “heroism” of the French Resistance? Show the German language when the German turns around the corner.

      I would have forbidden the export of such films outside of France in place of the French, in fear of prison. Suddenly, someone else in the world will find out how poor French “suffered” and “fought”.
    3. UEPE 8 February 2020 00: 44 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      EEE, bro, you filter the military from civilians
  6. mat-vey 7 February 2020 16: 17 New
    • 3
    • 0
    +3
    “Plaggenborg also reasonably notes that even if the Bundestag decides to recognize the famine in Ukraine as genocide, then this decision will not affect anything.” “Well, yes, it will not”, such a howl and stink will come up you know from whom and from where ...
    1. LiSiCyn 7 February 2020 16: 46 New
      • 4
      • 0
      +4
      Quote: mat-vey
      Well, yes, "it will not affect", such a howl and stench will rise you know from whom and from where ...

      I agree with you. Further, the "non-brothers" will begin to shower the UN and other international organizations, with demands to know the genocide. Arguing that the Bundestag recognized ...
      Although, the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the US Senate has not yet helped them much. Turks do not repent and do not want to pay.
    2. teron 7 February 2020 16: 47 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      You are absolutely right. They do not recognize the Holodomor as genocide - they will insult Ukraine, they recognize that relations with Russia can be ruined. Why they got down to this business is not clear.
    3. Thompson 7 February 2020 17: 50 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      The fact itself will be important. And then like an avalanche. all mongrel pick up.
      I think it's enough for such processes to simply observe, discuss, express concern
    4. Egoza 7 February 2020 18: 23 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      Quote: mat-vey
      Well, yes, "it will not affect", such a howl and stench will rise you know from whom and from where ...

      If they admit, then there will be “Europe for us” again, and if so, pay money for the famine.
  7. Po-tzan 7 February 2020 16: 21 New
    • 3
    • 3
    0
    In international politics - as in the St. Petersburg gateway: if you recognize a part of your claims to yourself, then you automatically recognize all claims to yourself. I hope our rulers are smart enough to deny the Holodomor to the last.
  8. New Year day 7 February 2020 16: 23 New
    • 4
    • 1
    +3
    Hans! You have nothing to do? Take care of immigrants in your own land, why do you need a famine?
  9. Alexander Sosnitsky 7 February 2020 16: 26 New
    • 5
    • 8
    -3
    Germany is directly related to the Ukrainian famine, as throughout Russia, which sent a wagon of gold and 100 Bolsheviks through Finland to St. Petersburg. Let them start from this.
  10. Aleks2048 7 February 2020 16: 29 New
    • 5
    • 0
    +5
    They are there (outside the Russian Federation) at least what options they can consider and adopt any resolutions ... To rewrite their history textbooks in the mainstream that they like at least every day ... But we just don't give a damn, we probably can’t react in any way. .. Although you can think about introducing any sanctions ... but I don’t see much point in this. The question is different. We need to clearly articulate our position in Russia. Normally writing it in the history textbook. The Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation should think that a mandatory requirement for a history textbook is to have a paragraph on topics about the Second World War, about revolutions in the Russian Federation, about the USSR, the role of Lenin, Stalin, the so-called “Kuril Question”, questions about the Crimea, etc. (you can directly select controversial points) where questions that would cast doubt on the Russian point of view on certain historical facts and exhaustive motivated answers would be directly written down. Unfortunately with today's youth it is impossible otherwise. No nonsense will force the bulk of young people to read, much less analyze historical literature. So I think the way to directly register emerging questions and answers to them in textbooks will be the best. This will ultimately lead to the fact that the average statistical Russian will not hesitate to be able to any foreigner who stupidly thinks to argue about the history of the Russian Federation to shut up and call a liar. This should be promoted on the territory of the Russian Federation otherwise the history will be forgotten, our ancestors will be slandered, and their exploits will turn into crimes and the younger generations will simply feel guilty and inferior and this should not be allowed.
  11. Operator 7 February 2020 16: 32 New
    • 15
    • 4
    +11
    According to the definition of the Nuremberg Tribunal, genocide is the destruction of one ethnos by the hands of another ethnos.

    The genocide of Ukrainians by the hands of Ukrainians is something new: after the so-called so-called Ukrainian SSR was held in the 1920s indigenous majority of the members of the CP (b) U and the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR were Ukrainians according to the passport laughing

    And it is weak for the German parliamentarians to recognize the genocide of the artificial famine of 1943, which the British organized in Bengal (today's Bangladesh) through the total removal of grain and scorched earth tactics (as a preventive measure from switching local residents to the side of the Japanese advancing from Burma). As a result, between 4 and 6 million Bengalis died according to various estimates.

    1. tihonmarine 7 February 2020 17: 05 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      after the so-called so-called “Ukrainian SSR” in the 1920s indigenous majority of the members of the CP (b) U and the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR were Ukrainians according to the passport

      Even L.I. Brezhnev on the passport issued in 1957 was Ukrainian, not to mention N.S. Khrushchev. They themselves ruled, let them understand themselves.
      1. UEPE 8 February 2020 00: 51 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Comrade, We chose what we wanted, want to repeat?
    2. pv1005 7 February 2020 18: 44 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      And it is weak for the German parliamentarians to recognize the genocide of the artificial famine of 1943, which the British organized in Bengal (today's Bangladesh) through the total removal of grain and scorched earth tactics (as a preventive measure from switching local residents to the side of the Japanese advancing from Burma). As a result, between 4 and 6 million Bengalis died according to various estimates.

      So they, too, are not out of evil, but out of kindness, since, unlike Russia, they hated fiercely free Ukraine. am
    3. Was mammoth 7 February 2020 19: 04 New
      • 2
      • 0
      +2
      Scary photo
  12. Cowbra 7 February 2020 16: 38 New
    • 0
    • 6
    -6
    To admit! It was especially expressed in the territory of modern Western Ukraine, in Poland ... The genocide of the Rusyns there ...
  13. Ros 56 7 February 2020 16: 41 New
    • 1
    • 1
    0
    What, the Bandera infection has already spread to the Germans, where is your coronavirus.
    1. tihonmarine 7 February 2020 17: 02 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      What, the Bandera infection has already spread to the Germans, where is your coronavirus.

      Bandera infection, compare Ebola.
  14. kit88 7 February 2020 16: 56 New
    • 8
    • 1
    +7
    Before burghers seriously take Kiev nonsense, it would be nice to take a quick look at modern Ukrainian history textbooks. And then WITH THEM EVERYTHING WILL BE CLEAR.

    The Ukrainian nation arose 40 thousand years ago and in the middle of I thousand BC. e. created the state "Great Ukraine"

    “Ukrainians” were “true arias”. In ancient times, their capital was Ariygrad, and Ariyslav ruled them

    The history of "Great Ukraine" amazes readers with its greatness. "Ukrainians" smashed the army of Persian kings.

    "Ancient Ukrainians" successfully opposed the army of Alexander the Great, who allegedly tried to capture the Ukraininets Peninsula (Crimea), to capture the "Ukrainian" cities and ports.

    "Proud Ukrainians" successfully opposed the Roman legions.

    The Cossack Ukrainian army “drove Napoleon” out of Russia.

    belay
    1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 01: 37 New
      • 0
      • 3
      -3
      Where do you find such nonsense? I reviewed my daughter’s history books I didn’t find !?
  15. tihonmarine 7 February 2020 17: 01 New
    • 4
    • 1
    +3
    Although the exact date has not yet been determined, the German parliament will soon consider adopting a resolution on the Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932-1933. The Bundestag will decide whether to consider these events as genocide of the Ukrainian people.
    Well, why not the Germans in the Bundestag recognize the Holodomor in the United States.
  16. 30143 7 February 2020 17: 15 New
    • 2
    • 1
    +1
    For rent, this is all for distracting people.
    Indeed, in essence, WWII is a war of some Jews (sifards), to which Hitler belonged, forgiving others (Ashkenazi and Goyim) - all the rest (Czech, Polish, Soviet).
    And now in Ukraine, the most important UKRAINIANS are Jews who cannot forgive the Russians (Jews) that they were excommunicated from the feeding trough (USSR). But Kravchuk did not understand that the Dnepropetrovsk Jews (Khrushchev and Brezhnev) ruled the USSR, and they would not forgive the Ukrainians for such a collapse.
    Therefore, they take revenge on both Ukrainians and Russians.
    1. The comment was deleted.
  17. Wolf 7 February 2020 17: 22 New
    • 5
    • 3
    +2
    Gododom was the genocide of the Russian people, but we must ask the Trotsky and his cartridges for what? ODEL BELARUSIAN PEOPLE TAKEN TO KAMCHATKA, EVEN EATING HAS BEEN !!! NEVER IN THE CHRONICLES THERE WAS NO OBJECTIVE REASON FOR HUNGER IN RUSSIA !!! MY DADDY MORE HUNGERED IN RUSSIA 47-48 YEARS THAN IN YUGOSLAVIA IN THE WAR OF 1941-1945 !!! ARTIST MADE GENOCIDE RUSSIAN PEOPLE WAS !!! wink
    1. Usher 7 February 2020 17: 55 New
      • 2
      • 2
      0
      Quote: Wolf
      Gododom was the genocide of the Russian people, but we must ask the Trotsky and his cartridges for what? ODEL BELARUSIAN PEOPLE TAKEN TO KAMCHATKA, EVEN EATING HAS BEEN !!! NEVER IN THE CHRONICLES THERE WAS NO OBJECTIVE REASON FOR HUNGER IN RUSSIA !!! MY DADDY MORE HUNGERED IN RUSSIA 47-48 YEARS THAN IN YUGOSLAVIA IN THE WAR OF 1941-1945 !!! ARTIST MADE GENOCIDE RUSSIAN PEOPLE WAS !!! wink

      Judging by the avatrake, you have a problem with the language.
      1. UEPE 8 February 2020 00: 54 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        This is Serb, if
      2. tihonmarine 8 February 2020 07: 31 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Quote: Usher
        Judging by the avatrake, you have a problem with the language.

        Same problem as yours with Serbian.
        1. Usher 12 February 2020 07: 27 New
          • 0
          • 1
          -1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Usher
          Judging by the avatrake, you have a problem with the language.

          Same problem as yours with Serbian.

          And here is Serbian? We speak Russian here.
  18. GenNick 7 February 2020 17: 23 New
    • 7
    • 2
    +5
    Allow me to turn to the German parliament, well, I really want to, the grandson of the Cavalier St. George, the son of the Cavalier of the Order of Glory, a little ,, to get genocide ''
    -Listen here, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the Great Kaiser, grandchildren and children of the creator of the Trait Reich, and who gave you the right to consider anything at all ...
    What is the use of organic matter in PMV called? Maybe we’ll call a lab experiment or all this CRIME? Sorry, you, because you paid repo and counterbure ... and are not guilty of anything
    And what do we call the destruction of every fourth inhabitant of Belarus, and ... it's not you, it's the Nazis ... Excuse me, but who, you? - you are the grandchildren and children of those fascists who burned and slaughtered everyone at my place. do not mind me, because The skating rink of your ,, good events '' fell in my family far and wide ... Can I be wrong ??
    Maybe not your fathers and grandfathers starved the inhabitants of the city of Leningrad? Well, yes, not yours, but your neighbor ....
    So who gave you the right to discuss anything at all ... There is only one obligation left for you, when you see the sun setting in the East, say, thanks to RUSSIAN PEOPLE that you allowed us to live ...
    1. UEPE 8 February 2020 01: 08 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Comrade, I wrote well ..., I want to initiate a criminal case to deprive the rank of Admiral of October as an accomplice to the Trotsky regime and surrender the city of Seastopol and the entire Crimean peninsula to the enemy.
      I, in short, at Myskhako, Novorossiysk, the pool began to dig .... my hands fell .... how quickly did our sailors die ...
      1. Rakovor 8 February 2020 07: 53 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Well, of course, if you were in the place of Admiral Oktyabrsky, Sevastopol would definitely have defended it.)
        1. UEPE 8 February 2020 15: 37 New
          • 0
          • 1
          -1
          Unlike some, I know the story, and in the quarries in Kerch I was on Sapun Mountain, so there’s nothing to listen to, and your comment is verbiage. Although Caesar Kunnikov was a Jew - he is a worthy Jew! dot.
          1. Rakovor 10 February 2020 07: 17 New
            • 0
            • 0
            0
            The fact that you were in the quarries and on Sapun Mountain does not mean anything, there were many who were there.)) And what does Caesar Kunikov have to do with it (with one H)? The question was, how could Oktyabrsky defend Crimea and Sevastopol with the help of the Black Sea Fleet? Tell me about it, "connoisseur of history."))
    2. tihonmarine 8 February 2020 07: 39 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Quote: GenNick
      Maybe not your fathers and grandfathers starved the inhabitants of the city of Leningrad? Well, yes, not yours, but your neighbor ..

      The Bundestag should sit and be silent "in a rag." No one has brought so many atrocities to our people during the entire existence of Russia, except the Germans.
  19. Pavel57 7 February 2020 17: 23 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Some comrades have to continue the line of pouring mud on Russia in any of its manifestations.
  20. gurzuf 7 February 2020 17: 25 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    "The German parliament will soon consider the possibility of adopting a resolution on the Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932-1933." If this happens, the Duma will need to adopt a resolution that Germany did not quite sincerely repent for fascism.
  21. Tank jacket 7 February 2020 17: 48 New
    • 4
    • 1
    +3
    It is time to recognize the genocide of the multinational Russian people during WWII. The Nazis killed 20 million civilians of the USSR. 6 million. Jews recognized, and 20 million. Mirnyak in the USSR when they recognize ??? Compensation ???
  22. The Siberian barber 7 February 2020 17: 52 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    The count, at the grave, must be put to those who came up with the name itself (with a semantic load), together!
    We will see how the Germans behave regarding this issue.
  23. Usher 7 February 2020 17: 54 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Stefan Plaggenborg well done, sensibly reasoning. dill run with his goldmore. tired of it.
  24. Lamata 7 February 2020 18: 10 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Mavo's grandfather in the Saratov region at that time 7 people died. And now, where to go?
    1. UEPE 8 February 2020 01: 17 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      lying, a bastard ... in Saratov, a provocateur .... I’ll shoot am
    2. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 01: 41 New
      • 0
      • 4
      -4
      To remain silent and to believe that it was England's fault, Panimaesh did not want to sell machines for gold, but only for grain!
  25. Lord of the Sith 7 February 2020 18: 20 New
    • 1
    • 1
    0
    Sumerians zadolbali with their hohlomordorom.

    Many people around the world died of starvation in those days, regardless of nation, color and religion.
    And they expose themselves to the whole world with patience.
    Ugh, already disgusting.
    1. Lamata 7 February 2020 18: 51 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      And the main thing is genocide by whom? In the Volga region, hunger was also died, and in northern Kazakhstan there was hunger. Who is to blame, Russia? Stalin? So Stalin is Georgians, and here is Georgia’s claim. Ukrainians as Jews with their Holocaust.
  26. Incvizitor 7 February 2020 18: 21 New
    • 3
    • 0
    +3
    And how to consider the events from the age of 14, when from 37 million the number fell sharply to 26 with the support of the EU and specifically Germany. Is this not real genocide? Even during the Second World War there were no such losses.
  27. ximkim 7 February 2020 18: 38 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    The Holodomor is an event that is not tied to Ukraine ... Was there a famine? Yes! hunger was everywhere in a certain period. Politicians are building, gaining points at the event.
    1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 02: 00 New
      • 0
      • 4
      -4
      Who has been punished for hunger in Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan? Does everyone pretend that their story has already condemned?
      1. ximkim 8 February 2020 07: 07 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        There is no punishment. There are only big sacrifices.
      2. Rakovor 8 February 2020 07: 55 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        And who exactly do you propose to punish and most importantly - how?
        1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 09: 32 New
          • 0
          • 5
          -5
          How, I don’t know, to condemn by all authorities of the former republics - the actions of Stalin and lower-level leaders starting with the district committees, everything is written down - who, how much, what he ordered, in Ukraine there is a memory book, in every village and city how many people died of starvation, it was an animal horror that was transmitted to both grandchildren and great-grandchildren, after this famine, all those who survived went to collective farms, all the people broke down and didn’t resist anymore, do we plant corn in Siberia? about collective farms, even during Soviet times, much has been written about it, but no one has repented.
          1. Rakovor 8 February 2020 09: 51 New
            • 0
            • 0
            0
            In Europe, more people died from the “Spanish woman” epidemic than you from starvation, but generations of Europeans do not experience any “animal horror”. And only you have "animal horror" passed on to grandchildren and great-grandchildren, probably because you yourself are "animals." And yes, it’s better to have a “memory book” on modern Ukraine, how many people lived in '91, and how many now, and in detail, for each town, who, when and where you dumped from your homeless.))
          2. Incvizitor 8 February 2020 11: 28 New
            • 0
            • 0
            0
            in Ukraine there is a memory book, in each village and city it is recorded how many people died of starvation
            We would write for one of the local Ukrainians who took grain from residents.
            1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 15: 43 New
              • 0
              • 0
              0
              So this is not a secret, I’m sure of the archives you can raise data, while the Ukrainians themselves in leading places forced people to give grain - I wrote about it, as well as about how to curry favor and take a higher post, as I was the head of the district committee, but became the head of the regional committee that shaw the same people Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians from hunger in the villages die they did not care! And the Ukrainians, who were soldiers and NKVD mi, but they carried out the order to seize ALL grain, but they will also be damned. Who is to blame for this? What was the system? Fascists were in power or maybe the Communists? Yes, the war then deducted everything, the great Stalin rebuilt the country, we went into space, everything was forgotten, but it all started with grain that was seized without measure, for the sake of machines that England did not want to sell for gold, but only for grain. And millions of people died in Ukraine, the Volga region, the Kuban, in other places, why do we remember the victims of the Second World War, but forgot about these millions? What are the costs of industrialization? Spit on them, but the country survived?
        2. ximkim 8 February 2020 19: 02 New
          • 0
          • 0
          0
          Hello .. For this, there is a court that brings everything: a verdict, punishment. But history, this is the main court .. The change of government and state system leads to such moments. In the history of Russia, everything goes through destruction. The very essence of the article is that the rulers come to the table with a golden cup and spoon. They did not spare anything to create the USSR.
    2. UEPE 8 February 2020 15: 45 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      I agree, but remember how to smoke was not in the first 91, the bulls in in liter jars were sold on the market ....
  28. Kapkan 7 February 2020 18: 54 New
    • 2
    • 2
    0
    Ukrainians are crazy. They don’t know history, they don’t own info. In the history books, maps from Skyrim ... Soon there will be maps from the game of thrones ...
    My grandparents were starving in the Kurgan region during these years, and my relatives were starving in Northern Kazakhstan and in the Orenburg region. So, no matter who decides there, but the truth is she alone, everyone should be put on the outskirts, and everyone would try to survive as best they could.
    1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 02: 03 New
      • 1
      • 5
      -4
      Starvation, strife, one thing when crop failure, weather conditions are critical, force majeure in a word. And the other is when hunger is caused by the criminal actions of the authorities, regardless of their professional qualities and intentions.
  29. Rusticolus 7 February 2020 19: 57 New
    • 2
    • 1
    +1
    And apparently compensation will be required from the drought of the 32nd year? Or is the current Russia to blame for that drought? From zhezh what are the ubiquitous Petrov with Bashirov. smile
  30. 30143 7 February 2020 19: 59 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    Quote: Usher
    Quote: Wolf
    Gododom was the genocide of the Russian people, but we must ask the Trotsky and his cartridges for what? ODEL BELARUSIAN PEOPLE TAKEN TO KAMCHATKA, EVEN EATING HAS BEEN !!! NEVER IN THE CHRONICLES THERE WAS NO OBJECTIVE REASON FOR HUNGER IN RUSSIA !!! MY DADDY MORE HUNGERED IN RUSSIA 47-48 YEARS THAN IN YUGOSLAVIA IN THE WAR OF 1941-1945 !!! ARTIST MADE GENOCIDE RUSSIAN PEOPLE WAS !!! wink

    Judging by the avatrake, you have a problem with the language.

    It seems that our forum serves to unite like-minded people and to find a common language with the opposite side.
    You do such repulsive statements repel people from communication.
    If one understands the language, then some “non-Russians” are more correctly explained than “true Russians”. I have not yet touched on the writing style.
    1. UEPE 8 February 2020 01: 20 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      I agree with you, here they read not only Russians, but also by SPIRIT - Russians
  31. BAI
    BAI 7 February 2020 20: 06 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    then this decision will in no way affect anything.

    This decision will be bargained. Hans out of the blue will make a gesheft out of nothing.
  32. Vladimir Mashkov 7 February 2020 20: 19 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    Impartial statistics say that 1932 thousand people became victims of the HUNGER in Ukraine in 1933-933 (together with those who died for natural reasons, 1 million 977 thousand). Although former then President Yushchenko chatted about 18 million dead (this is with the entire then population of Ukraine 31 million!). The results of a recent "census" conducted by the Zelensky government determined the current population of Ukraine is 37 million people. The figure is clearly overestimated, objective experts talk about the current population of Ukraine no more than 30 million. In 1992, the population of Ukraine was 52 million. Losses of the population of Ukraine since 1992 - 15 (22) million people. WHAT actually is famine and genocide of the Ukrainian population? Especially recently, VERY many people are dying around!
  33. cniza 7 February 2020 21: 00 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    In addition, the researchers failed to find a single document that would prove that Stalin and the party leadership demanded the destruction of the Ukrainian nation.


    How can I find something that is not ...
    1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 01: 51 New
      • 0
      • 4
      -4
      So they were simpletons, they took and wrote with their own hands saying that we directly order the destruction of the Ukrainian nation, because they do not fulfill our requirements? And the fact that they set impossibly grain-harvesting plans? And the fact that the local party nomenclature at times exceeded the plans that were launched from above in order to curry favor and climb to the very top? Well, yes, England is to blame, it’s better to let a few million sole-proprietors die right now, but we’ll buy machines and win the war, then tens of millions will be saved, right?
      1. cniza 8 February 2020 10: 10 New
        • 1
        • 0
        +1
        You understand what the whole problem is, how to look at this question, because people died not only in Ukraine, they died where there were such "militants" in power, so who should blame? This happened in the USA and other countries ...
  34. pexotinec 7 February 2020 21: 22 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    Then we need to recognize the genocide of the indigenous population of America by European aggressors.
  35. lvov_aleksey 7 February 2020 21: 53 New
    • 1
    • 1
    0
    I do not see experts here. On this I’ll tell my story: I’m from the Volga, if anyone says that it’s rich here, when I killed the Holodomor in Uraine !!!!!!!!!!!! I know from their ancestors how they were starving. I am Chuvash, but I am not a racist. Therefore, I do not understand their presentation, the Ukrainian is not of such nationality until 1917 !!!!!
    1. alien 7 February 2020 22: 51 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      Objectively about this complex issue says the academician of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, a foreign member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, doctor of historical sciences Petro Petrovich Tolochko:
      “There really was a famine, it took several million lives of Ukrainians, but it was in the Kuban, and in the Volga region, and in Northern Kazakhstan. All grain-sowing regions crashed in the early 30s. But it cannot be that a point famine destroyed the Ukrainians, and Russians or Jews, or others spared. All the peoples that were part of the Soviet Union drank this bitter cup. And it seems to me even sinful to somehow emphasize that we feel sorry for the Ukrainians, and it seems that we don’t feel sorry for others because they are not ours. "
      https://www.rsuh.ru/news/detail.php?ID=259565

      and the Russian Foreign Ministry:
      "Historical documents indicate that as a result of the famine that hit vast areas of the country, about seven million people died, including more than 2,5 million in its Russian part. The famine of the 30s was massive and indiscriminate. It began with severe drought and crop failure, which were imposed by government emergency measures (extremely high quotas for grain harvesting, confiscation of food, ban on trade in food). Their implementation with equal rigidity was ensured in all agricultural regions of the USSR, without exception. <...> Tragic mistakes, leading to hunger, were recognized already in 1933. Then the Soviet government organized large-scale food assistance to the affected regions, including Central Asia. "
      https://www.mid.ru/web/guest/general_assembly/-/asset_publisher/lrzZMhfoyRUj/content/id/3193903
    2. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 01: 55 New
      • 0
      • 6
      -6
      I am Ukrainian, I don’t even know where you live Chuvash and where is your land and therefore I do not care what you think there!
      1. Rakovor 8 February 2020 07: 59 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        If you do not care what you graze here. Better go, maybe it will help.))
    3. UEPE 8 February 2020 15: 52 New
      • 0
      • 1
      -1
      Dear Alexey, I want to ask one clever question. The Volga flows into the Kama or the turnover?
  36. lvov_aleksey 8 February 2020 01: 57 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Dur_mod
    I am Ukrainian, I don’t even know where you live Chuvash and where is your land and therefore I do not care what you think there!

    as usual, I’ll hide my hut from people like you, I immediately said from the Volga, more than Denpr
    1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 02: 08 New
      • 0
      • 5
      -5
      So remember the Chuvash Ukrainians were, are and will live on their land always before and after 1917.
      1. UEPE 8 February 2020 15: 57 New
        • 1
        • 1
        0
        Dear Dur-mod (Roman) in Russian, "parasite" live as much as you want, no one forces you to live, don’t meddle with us, we here barely raked the Urals and here again ... more "fizyra, Chernomyrdin"
        1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 23: 14 New
          • 0
          • 2
          -2
          Dear UEPE in Ukrainian, "upan" you are the last person I ask - how much and how I should live, comb further.
  37. lvov_aleksey 8 February 2020 02: 11 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Dur_mod
    So remember the Chuvash Ukrainians were, are and will live on their land always before and after 1917.

    so what hurt you, let's show the story to V.I. Lenin with regards to Ukraine?
    1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 02: 18 New
      • 0
      • 5
      -5
      What year should you start or prove that the word "Ukrainian" is a reality "invented" at the Austro-Hungarian headquarters?
      Is that enough? - The famous French engineer and writer Guillaume Boplan wrote a book "Description of Ukraine" (1650), translated into many languages? Or in Chuvashia only from 1917 teach literacy?))
      1. Incvizitor 8 February 2020 11: 32 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Description of Ukraine "(1650 g)
        Is that where Poland is? laughing

        https://seosait.com/karta-evropy-s-drevnix-vremen-do-sovremennyx-dnej/
        Where is this "country" like that? Or can it just be a piece of land so called?
      2. UEPE 8 February 2020 16: 02 New
        • 1
        • 0
        +1
        Dear, Dur-mod (Roman), "parasite" in Russian, no one humiliates your independence in digging the Black Sea, but I ask you not to be offended very much, but you are dung good
        1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 23: 17 New
          • 0
          • 2
          -2
          Dear UEPE in Ukrainian, "upan", I do not worry, you are worthless your own worthlessness much stronger emphasis yourself. Shaw called do not touch the dung, it itself stinks.
  38. The comment was deleted.
  39. lvov_aleksey 8 February 2020 02: 30 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: lvov_aleksey
    Quote: Dur_mod
    What year should you start or prove that the word "Ukrainian" is a reality "invented" at the Austro-Hungarian headquarters?

    you don’t say anything normal about a Ukrainian, but it's useless about a Nazi - I hate
    and read about wiki about Ukraine
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B
    there is no nationality Ukrainian until 1917, there is only the country of Ukraine.

    BELIEVE! In the vast expanses of Russia, you will not find Russian in the afternoon with fire!
    because in the blood of many other nations.
    I’ll repeat if you still don’t understand, I’m Chuvash and live on the Volga, my grandfathers and great-grandfathers beat Petliura and Vlasov’s citizens, that in the Great Patriotic War.
    sorry about Makhno forgot
    1. Dur_mod 8 February 2020 02: 39 New
      • 0
      • 5
      -5
      Well, what are you trying to prove to me? I myself know that I have both Jews and Poles and Russians in my family, but I feel and proud that I am Ukrainian and I don’t stick it out, like Russians who are trying hard for some reason to prove to me that I’m wrong - I don’t exist and only Grandfather Lenin came up with my nationality!
      1. UEPE 8 February 2020 16: 06 New
        • 1
        • 0
        +1
        Hope, tyk to talk with you, how to bang on the wall with your forehead, shout, did not guess
  40. lvov_aleksey 8 February 2020 02: 41 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Dur_mod
    Well, what are you trying to prove to me? I myself know that I have both Jews and Poles and Russians in my family, but I feel and proud that I am Ukrainian and I don’t stick it out, like Russians who are trying hard for some reason to prove to me that I’m wrong - I don’t exist and only Grandfather Lenin came up with my nationality!

    I did not understand what was happening now, why did you distract me from my affairs ?!
    I know the country, but until 1917 I do not know such a nationality, sorry. It was Lenin V.I.
    ps it’s never sounded that I’m Russian, and you’ve already begun to create ... it smacks of Nazism ("and I don’t stick it out like Russians")
    1. UEPE 8 February 2020 16: 12 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Dear Alexey, this is how you work, and not be distracted by VO. You are being watched!
      PS. Yes, I forgot, and prepare reports for me, please, by Monday to the rise of the FLAG. bully
  41. Voltsky 8 February 2020 05: 37 New
    • 0
    • 2
    -2
    what is the famine ?! I heard there was no fight in the south of the USSR up to Kazakhstan, it seemed, and my great-grandfather from Ukraine talked about hunger in those days, I just learned from him that if you are starving, you can’t eat a lot, but what does Ukraine have to do with it ?!
    Glade strange guys however :)
    1. Zabvo 8 February 2020 06: 05 New
      • 0
      • 1
      -1
      They were taken and divided into all, life was for everyone, but for them they were starved to death. But they don’t remember what the country gave them for this, and why remember the good.
      1. Voltsky 8 February 2020 06: 24 New
        • 0
        • 1
        -1
        Quote: ZABVO
        They were taken and divided into all, life was for everyone, but for them they were starved to death. But they don’t remember what the country gave them for this, and why remember the good.

        thank you to another ward :)
      2. UEPE 8 February 2020 16: 13 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        YY, just super wassat
  42. Zabvo 8 February 2020 05: 56 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    They can go very far with the Jews for a couple. I would like to hear about the Russian genocide, but it wasn’t “everything for the people” ... The genocide of dill, it’s the same as to eradicate Jews from Odessa.
  43. Zabvo 8 February 2020 06: 02 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Sentry73
    Yes, your statements, comrades fascism smack! You need to be more human.

    You are "human" and bury. In this world, the law of the strong and I almost forgot, if you yourself know in years that the right is not the one who is right, but who has more rights (not my words).