The Ufa citizen faces up to 15 years of protection for children and the murder of a pedophile

The Ufa citizen faces up to 15 years of protection for children and the murder of a pedophile

Gaining momentum историяthat happened in Ufa at the end of January this year. Local resident Vladimir Sankin, protecting children from a pedophile, inflicted damage in a fight, from which he subsequently died. Sankin was accused of intentionally causing grievous bodily harm, resulting in death by negligence, and now he faces up to 15 years in prison.


As follows from the information published by the Russian media, everything happened on January 30 of this year. Three times convicted for similar crimes, 54-year-old pedophile Vladimir Zaitsev lured two underage boys into his apartment, about whom he was going to commit violent sexual acts, threatening with an ax. One of the boys managed to run out of the apartment and called for help passing by Vladimir Sankin, who was returning home from work. The man ran into the pedophile’s apartment, pulled out a second boy from his hands, and then pulled Zaitsev into the street, where a fight ensued. From one of the blows, Sankin Zaitsev remained lying on the snow without movement. Sankin, who was on his feet, called an ambulance and the police, Zaitsev died in an ambulance car on his way to the hospital.

Currently, a criminal case has been instituted against Vladimir Sankin under Part 4 of Art. 111 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Deliberate infliction of grievous bodily harm, resulting in the death of the victim by negligence." The sanction of article provides 15 years of imprisonment. The accused himself is under house arrest. On February 3, the Kalininsky District Court of Ufa elected this sanction against him; before that, he was in a temporary detention center.

As Sankin’s lawyer explained, Vladimir pleaded guilty to the murder of Zaitsev.

Vladimir pleaded guilty in court. He regrets that he killed the man, and we didn’t have a petition to justify the conversation. The only thing that can change the situation is an autopsy report. Zaitsev was alive at the end of the fight, refused an ambulance and was contact. In an ambulance, for example, a heart attack could happen to him. Then there will be another situation

- said the lawyer.

The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation took control of the Sankin case, while a criminal case was opened against pedophile Zaitsev. The defendant advocates for the United Russia human rights center, and has also been created on the Internet petition in defense of Sankin. At the moment, more than 77 thousand people have signed it.
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  1. Starover_Z 6 February 2020 08: 45 New
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    On the side of the accused is the United Russia human rights center, and a petition has been created on the Internet in defense of Sankin. At the moment, more than 77 thousand people have signed it.

    And on the side of the court, probably the colleagues of the “injured”, “brothers” in robes ?!
    1. maxim947 6 February 2020 08: 47 New
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      54-year-old pedophile Vladimir Zaitsev three times tried for similar crimes

      After the first time, by decision of the court, they must be neutered without fail.
      The court will definitely be, otherwise it is simply impossible. The question is what will be the solution.
      1. seti 6 February 2020 09: 19 New
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        Let's hope that there will be a verdict of not guilty or given conditionally. But the court decision certainly should be - on the forehead of the murdered one it is not embossed that he is a pedaphile.
        1. Stas157 6 February 2020 09: 34 New
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          One evening, a friend and I witnessed the rape of two girls near a parking lot. One escaped with screams and tears and ran to us. The second rapists managed to be taken away by car. We put the girl in our car and called the cops. So they took us, as the first suspects! They purred until three at night at the police station, interrogated, and taken for identification.

          Thanks to that girl that she told the truth how everything was and she did not recognize us as rapists ... But, to save the girls and deal with the cops, after that the desire decreased.
          I am sure these stories are full!
          1. ioan-e 6 February 2020 09: 55 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            I am sure these stories are full!

            Unfortunately honest cops in films are much more than in life!
            1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 02 New
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              Quote: ioan-e
              Unfortunately honest cops in films are much more than in life!

              Then why unfortunately, what is more?
              1. ioan-e 6 February 2020 10: 06 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                Quote: ioan-e
                Unfortunately honest cops in films are much more than in life!

                Then why unfortunately, what is more?

                Moreover, in life there are fewer of them! Problems with logic?
                1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 12 New
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                  Quote: ioan-e
                  Moreover, in life there are fewer of them! Problems with logic?

                  This is your logic problem.
                  That you regret that HONEST cops are MUCH MORE than in the movies.
                  1. ioan-e 6 February 2020 10: 17 New
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                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Quote: ioan-e
                    Moreover, in life there are fewer of them! Problems with logic?

                    This is your logic problem.
                    That you regret that HONEST cops are MUCH MORE than in the movies.

                    You still can’t read?

                    Read the phrase again and compare with the delirium that they wrote!

                    Quote: ioan-e
                    Unfortunately honest cops in films are much more than in life!
                    1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 22 New
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                      Quote: ioan-e
                      Read the phrase again and compare with the delirium that they wrote!

                      Boris, I'm sorry. recourse
                      Something went wrong.
                      Sorry again hi
                      1. ioan-e 6 February 2020 10: 24 New
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                        Never mind! hi
                      2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 36 New
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                        Quote: ioan-e
                        Never mind!

                        Thank you hi drinks
          2. neri73-r 6 February 2020 11: 38 New
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            Quote: ioan-e
            Quote: Stas157
            I am sure these stories are full!

            Unfortunately honest cops in films are much more than in life!

            I wonder what is meant by an "honest cop"?
            1. The leader of the Redskins 6 February 2020 12: 01 New
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              Aniskin. An example of an honest policeman)
              1. neri73-r 6 February 2020 13: 39 New
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                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                Aniskin. An example of an honest policeman)

                I understand you, but, unfortunately, the “cops” (police officers, police officers and other law enforcement officers) are a copy (mirror) of our society, since they come from the latter. Society as a whole will be healed, the law enforcement system will also change, at first changing the policemen, and then all the rest will fail. ALAS.
                1. Elturisto 6 February 2020 19: 25 New
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                  It is only necessary to supplement the capitalist society
                2. Whiteidol 6 February 2020 21: 30 New
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                  I support. I know the system from the inside. As elsewhere, there are normal and plowing, and there are those seeking profit.
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          3. Well done 6 February 2020 16: 13 New
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            You're right. I worked as an even cop for 8 years. "Asked to exit" their own subordinates. As a result - in the labor "Dismissed for non-compliance with the terms of the contract."
            1. neri73-r 6 February 2020 20: 35 New
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              Quote: Welldone
              You're right. I worked as an even cop for 8 years. "Asked to exit" their own subordinates. As a result - in the labor "Dismissed for non-compliance with the terms of the contract."

              What is it like? Usually the boss or circumstances ask for an exit! Interesting girls are dancing, subordinates ....
        2. carstorm 11 6 February 2020 11: 33 New
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          Well, you're an adult, well) and what should they have done? shake your hands to take a word and leave?))) there are certain actions for everything. in any country in the world you would also be dragged through all the procedures. it is unpleasant but necessary. Believe me, there is little joy in witnessing a crime in general), but you need to understand that the police have their own work and they must do it, and you, as a witness to the crime, are obliged to help them in this. Yes, and you had nothing to fear. in addition to identification, such trifles as witnesses and evidence are still needed)
        3. Alex_59 6 February 2020 16: 02 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          I am sure these stories are full!

          I had a less heroic story. I was accused of having committed an accident and disappeared. As evidence, they showed the bumper of my car that I had broken (I had been talking about a snowdrift more than six months ago before the events). They came home to me. I voluntarily went without a subpoena (that’s a fool) and I went with them to investigate, as a result I was kept in the department all night, the investigator interrogated me, when I started to protest I was dragged to the monkey house and tried to close me for several hours with bums (this is because of an accident where the damage is a broken bumper !!!) Obviously I wanted to intimidate so I confessed. Okay, the duty officer was responsible and when he saw me I started to jump off the topic, and out of the corner of my ear I heard him say to my trail: "He will then write a complaint, it can be seen that he is stubborn." They released at five in the morning. Then they already acted according to the law - they sent a summons to the traffic police, where a woman employee listened to me, and a month later a piece of paper arrived where there was a rzhachka wording that my car with an unidentified person as a driver had an accident and disappeared, that is, the fact of an accident should be considered proven, but in due to the fact that the identity of the driver is not established in damages refuse. In short, this is a farce and a parody of the Stalin's triples, but of course they patted my nerves on the first night. 21st century, Europe. So it goes...
          A man from an article of respect. It is necessary to finally introduce normal laws, and not to rule the constitution.
          1. Ptolemy Lag 7 February 2020 10: 41 New
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            Communicate ONLY through LAWYER after an official call, now it is an axiom !!!
        4. Lexus 7 February 2020 00: 11 New
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          Go and those who took the second girl did not find ...
          If doing how maxim947 (Maxim) suggested a little higher, then among the "improved" competitors of Vitas in terms of falsetto (even the pronunciation is surprisingly consonant), the overwhelming number would be figures who were not deprived of power, both secular and spiritual, well-known amateurs including young models, both boys and girls. Statement of facts. And, if you chop hands and hands for theft, then one and a half or all armless.
          Therefore, in these areas laws are so exceptionally crooked.
        5. seregarodionov 7 February 2020 06: 55 New
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          Tried to catch up? Yes, and so well done.
      2. ioan-e 6 February 2020 09: 59 New
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        Quote: seti
        Let's hope that there will be a verdict of not guilty or given conditionally. But the court decision certainly should be - on the forehead of the murdered one it is not embossed that he is a pedophile.

        Only if the investigation does not establish malicious intent on the part of Vladimir Sankin, then the "Order of Courage" is definitely set for him, despite the fatal outcome!
        1. Stas157 6 February 2020 10: 04 New
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          Vladimir pleaded guilty in court. is he regrets

          The hero was made guilty and made sorry.

          Yes, you need to pray for such people - it’s good that there are such people. Saved the children, two boys.
          1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 15 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            The hero was made guilty and made sorry.

            No one did him guilty and did not force anything.
            Think about it, he's at home, not in jail
            1. Stas157 6 February 2020 10: 19 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              No one did him guilty and did not force anything.

              I specifically cited an excerpt from the article:
              As Sankin’s lawyer explained, Vladimir pleaded guilty to the murder of Zaitsev.

              Vladimir pleaded guilty in court. He regrets
              1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 25 New
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                Quote: Stas157
                I specifically cited an excerpt from the article:

                That's right, admitted.
                Well, it was so.
                I said no one did it. He himself admitted.
                But the court didn’t even send him to jail. Although for less they sit there for months
                1. Simargl 6 February 2020 12: 52 New
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                  But the court didn’t even send him to jail. Although for less they sit there for months
                  Another stupidity. His court initially sent to a pre-trial detention center!
                  But in connection with the new practice and overcrowding of the pre-trial detention center, it is under the home arrest sent. He is under arrest! Just more comfortable conditions. And feeds at his own expense.
                  1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 12: 58 New
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                    Quote: Simargl
                    Another stupidity. His court initially sent to a pre-trial detention center!

                    Wise guy, quote where in the article about the pre-trial detention center is said?
                    He is under arrest

                    Of course. But home is probably better than in jail
                    1. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 45 New
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                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Wise guy, quote where in the article about the pre-trial detention center is said?
                      oops! Not a pre-trial detention center - temporary detention facility ... although ... the essence does not change.
                      Quote: Article
                      The accused himself is under house arrest; on 3 February, the Kalininsky District Court of Ufa elected this sanction against him; before that, he was in temporary detention center.
                      You do not know how to read - just write.

                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      But home is probably better than in jail
                      I do not deny.
                      However, you are lying:
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      But the court didn’t even send him to jail.
                    2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 53 New
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                      Quote: Simargl
                      oops! Not a pre-trial detention center - temporary detention facility ..

                      Where is it written about IVS?
                      You do not know how to read - just write.

                      Yes, here I am wrong. hi
                      Eye caught on "house arrest"
                      However, you are lying:

                      It turns out like this request
                    3. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 59 New
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                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      It turns out like this
                      Especially for you:
                      1 - him арестовали (home - he’s still an arrest, because he can’t go far from the apartment — they will come, find, tie him up to the temporary detention center),
                      2 - sew business with perspective stick for 15 years (become a criminal).
                    4. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 14: 23 New
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                      Quote: Simargl
                      1 - he was arrested (at home - he is still an arrest, because he cannot go far from the apartment - they will come, find, tie him up to the temporary detention center),

                      Arrest arrest strife. Anyway, home is better than in a cell.
                      Moreover, they let him go from there, even with a bracelet
                      2 - they sew a case with the prospect of sticking for 15 years (to become a criminal).

                      More than sure. Conditionally.
                      If there is a jury trial, everything will be masterpiece in general
                    5. Simargl 6 February 2020 14: 44 New
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                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      If there is a jury trial, everything will be masterpiece in general
                      Do you know how this happens? The jury does not determine the term. They reach a verdict of guilty / not guilty. But what points will be imputed - this is not a jury.
                    6. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 14: 52 New
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                      Quote: Simargl
                      Do you know how this happens?

                      I know
                      . They reach a verdict of guilty / not guilty.

                      And I know that.
                      I just didn’t add that if the article is re-qualified
                      But what points will be imputed - this is not a jury.

                      Yes, it’s clear, the judge decides ...
                    7. bk316 6 February 2020 18: 26 New
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                      The jury does not determine the term. They reach a verdict of guilty / not guilty.

                      I explain. They reach a verdict on this charge. And the accusation under the article: causing serious grievance .... They will not render a verdict, because it is obvious to a ram that it is necessary to retrain, I don’t know where the prosecutor’s office is looking. am Well, some excess ... will go conditionally. I WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE MAN TO THE MAN AND THE MEDALK - FOR HELP TO THE BODIES OF THE ORDER - there is such
                    8. Simargl 6 February 2020 23: 59 New
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                      Quote: bk316
                      I explain. They reach a verdict on this charge. And the accusation under the article: causing serious grievance .... They will not render a verdict, because it is obvious to a ram that it is necessary to retrain, I don’t know where the prosecutor’s office is looking.
                      Several charges will be rolled out to him, for each he will need to give an assessment: guilty / not guilty. At least one approved and arrived.
                      The prosecutor's office is looking to ensure that the indicators are good.
                    9. bk316 7 February 2020 11: 45 New
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                      At least one approved and arrived.

                      Approve one by one. The corpse is still there.
                      But the article will be different and will be given conditionally ....
                      The prosecutor’s office is watching, but the judge will not trample against EP.
                      In addition, recently the UK often corrects the regionals.
                    10. Simargl 7 February 2020 14: 38 New
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                      Quote: bk316
                      Approve one by one. The corpse is still there.
                      Everything can be anything here: from causing injury resulting in the suppression of unlawful acts, to a gangster attack. This is if not from an attack of fins glued together.

                      Quote: bk316
                      But the article will be different and will be given conditionally ....
                      Conditional - it is, nevertheless, a punishment.

                      Quote: bk316
                      The prosecutor’s office is watching, but the judge will not trample against EP.
                      Yeah. So you can put a party card on the table ...

                      Quote: bk316
                      In addition, recently the UK often corrects the regionals.
                      This is a case law option, I think.
  • Alexander Seklitsky 7 February 2020 16: 24 New
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    And what did he need to recognize the intent for the murder? And he didn’t want him to die, he just wanted to bring down the Lyuli. Therefore, he regrets that it happened
  • Simargl 6 February 2020 12: 49 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    Think about it, he's at home, not in jail
    If you don’t know, I’ll inform you: now instead of a pre-trial detention center they can be left under house arrest, and a bracelet is worn on the leg. The fact that they are not in jail does not mean that he is free!
    Home arrest - not freedom, if simple.
    1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 00 New
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      The fact that they are not in jail does not mean that he is free!

      God forbid, of course, but you, what if you find yourself in a similar situation? SIZO, or home?
      1. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 46 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        SIZO, or home?
        Maximum - subscription.
        1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 56 New
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          Quote: Simargl
          Maximum - subscription.

          I kind of didn’t ask about the subscription
    2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 55 New
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      Quote: Simargl
      while wearing a bracelet on the leg.

      And I know that.
      House arrest is not freedom, if simple.

      Aha. Is the camera better?
    3. Zoldat_A 6 February 2020 16: 02 New
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      Quote: Simargl
      House arrest - not freedom, if simple.

      This is you pr THAT ??? Serdyukov will tell you about the "house arrest" ...

      Give me at least a week of such an arrest - get enough sleep .... Take a break from work.
      1. Simargl 6 February 2020 21: 07 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        This is you pr THAT ??? Serdyukov will tell you about the "house arrest" ...
        The average Vladimir Sankin does not live in such an apartment, because the conditions are much simpler.

        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Give me at least a week of such an arrest - get enough sleep .... Take a break from work.
        I have nothing to do with the investigating authorities.

        However, I did not understand: why did you argue this nonsense? Sankin is an ordinary person.
  • Olgovich 6 February 2020 13: 26 New
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    No one guilty of it didn't do and didn’t force anything.


    The article "bad" is sewn to him;
    Sankin was accused of intentionally causing serious bodily harm, resulting in death through negligence, and now he faces up to 15 years in prison.


    What was he like ... "intent" (it means in advance considered, prepared to make), if everything happened SPONTANEOUS, in affect?

    The investigation, of course, should be, but what kind of nonsense is he making?
    1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 30 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      The article "bad" is sewn to him;

      Can and retrain
      The investigation, of course, should be, but what kind of nonsense is he making?

      That's why and
      The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation took control of the Sankin case, while a criminal case was opened against pedophile Zaitsev.
    2. Liam 6 February 2020 13: 32 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      What was his ... "intent" (which means he thought it over in advance, prepared it), if everything happened SPONTANEOUSLY, in affect?

      What thread would you study a forensics textbook before writing such nonsense
      1. Olgovich 6 February 2020 14: 03 New
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        Quote: Liam
        What thread would you study a forensics textbook before writing such nonsense

        You would read something from criminal law before you carry this one. For instance:
        The crime is recognized committed with intentif face was aware the social danger of their actions (inaction), foresaw the possibility or inevitability of socially dangerous consequences and wished their offensive. .

        What did he “desire”, “foresee” and “realize”?

        But this было :
        Affect - This is a sudden excitement. The occurrence of affect is always associated with violence, grievous insult or bullying by the victim. Wrongful and immoral actions can also cause affect.

        Here is WHAT they could show him, in fact:
        damage to health caused in a state of passion - Article 113 of the Criminal Code.

        - exceeding the limits of self-defense or measures taken to apprehend the offender (Article 114 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).

        The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation also provides for punishment for grievous bodily harm. by negligence (Article 118 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).


        Got it, no? no
        1. Liam 6 February 2020 14: 18 New
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          I regret to say that in jurisprudence you are a complete ignoramus. Spontaneity and affect in criminal law are not synonyms.
          1. Olgovich 6 February 2020 15: 07 New
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            Quote: Liam
            I regret to say that in jurisprudence you are a complete ignoramus. Spontaneity and affect in criminal law are not synonyms.

            But do not cry for an opinion the ignoramus? request
            spontaneity action is inherent affect -www.legalneed.ru


            which was in reality

            Again, didn’t get it? no hi
          2. Liam 6 February 2020 16: 19 New
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            Leave these pathetic attempts for the ignorant public. You better help to find words of gratitude and solidarity with the accused on the part of the parents of the victims who he rescued. Share the link?
        2. Abbot 7 February 2020 01: 45 New
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          Quote: Liam
          I regret to say that in jurisprudence you are a complete layman.

          Sorry, colleague, but you are a layman. No qualified lawyer will offer to study a forensic textbook, discussing the corpus delicti, alas. Your colleague Andrei answered you correctly.
          Quote: Olgovich
          You would read something from criminal law before you carry this one.
  • Vladimir_6 6 February 2020 11: 45 New
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    Quote: Stas157
    Yes, you need to pray for such people - it’s good that there are such people. Saved the children, two boys.

    Due to the fact that Vladimir freed this World from a villain, he probably also saved future potential victims. Definitely well done. God grant that the decision is justified.
  • Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 14 New
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    Only if the investigation does not establish malicious intent on the part of

    Will not be. 100%
    Everyone has children and everyone will be on the side of this guy. He was not even put in jail
    1. kit88 6 February 2020 14: 15 New
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      Without emotions from the point of view of the current legislation and law enforcement practice.

      They did not put me in jail - it pleases. So it is assumed that the stage will not go.
      However, this is not so simple. If he slammed the pedophile in the apartment, saving the boy, then article 37 of the Criminal Code completely justifies his actions (theoretically).
      1. It is not a crime to harm an infringing person in a state of necessary defense, that is, in the protection of the individual and the rights of the defending or other persons protected by law, the interests of society or the state from socially dangerous assault, if this encroachment was associated with violence dangerous to the life of the defending or other person , or with an immediate threat of such violence.

      But they went outside and continued there. An ordinary fight has already begun. And from 111 the fourth not to get out, the sentence will have to be guilty.
      What saves us is a huge public outcry in the first place, and, oddly enough, the sanctions under Article 111 part 4 of the second. I explain, the article provides for up to 15 years. There is no lower limit. That is, the court may well “solder” the defendant to say 3 months of imprisonment and taking into account the sentence already served (house arrest is considered two days in one colony), the defendant from the courtroom will go home to fully serve his sentence. But with a criminal record.
      The condition is possible subject to a period of up to 8 years. But I think the public will not like it.
      hi
      1. Igool 7 February 2020 02: 17 New
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        Well, we are generally not familiar with the case materials. How did they end up on the street? Maybe a pedophile with an ax chased him? It's all about the nuances. However, the fact that the court has already changed the preventive measure speaks in favor of the accused. Those. the court considered it not socially dangerous, this gives a chance for a milder sentence.
        1. kit88 7 February 2020 03: 33 New
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          Rather, he did not succeed, but elected. The event then happened at the end of January.
          And so I agree with you. We can only speculate here, and as we know, a sentence cannot be based on assumptions.
          And the version that a pedophile with an ax was chasing a man down the street, I think, would suit everyone.
          They just write that the man confessed everything, and God knows that he still talked to the investigator there. And where to get these testimonies now. Probably my mother told him in childhood - do not rush, son, to give testimony, take the fifty-first, and it’s never too late to start talking. Until a certain point, of course.
          hi
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    The order would have been laid if he had detained it and handed it over to the police. By veil I think: Before the trial, Zaitsev is clean, because I served for my sins. Sankin finds Zaitsev at the scene of the crime, frees the second guy. Next, Sankin pulls Zaitsev out onto the street (why?) Where there is a fight between them, during which Sankin may strike Zaitsev, which later leads to the death of the latter, or that one from the blow falls and beats his head, which also leads to death. He does not pull for self-defense (Where is the ax? Remained in the apartment?) Qualification: Part 4 of Art. 111 of the Criminal Code. Mitigating circumstance: Prevention of a serious crime committed in relation to n / l. With respect to Zaitsev, 134, 127 (126) of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation could be instituted. PS. Seeing such a situevina of operas, he could have helped Sankin, prompted what to speak for an explanation and how to behave. And with an ax, the question could be solved in the form Sankin needed and there would be pure self-defense. Correct if something is wrong ...
    1. kit88 6 February 2020 23: 11 New
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      Article 132 instead of 134.
      134 this is by mutual agreement
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    why not the Hero of Russia?
  • Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 03 New
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    on the forehead of the murdered one it is not embossed that he is a pedaphile.

    Can you read?
    Or just diagonally?
    Three times convicted for similar crimes 54 year old pedophile
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  • PROXOR 6 February 2020 11: 41 New
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    NO CONDITION !!!! For the children you need to put out on the spot! If the GAD itself does not raise the handle.
  • Alex_Rarog 6 February 2020 12: 15 New
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    But you have to knock it out! After the first time and castrate.
  • Barmaleyka 6 February 2020 13: 36 New
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    Quote: seti
    either give conditionally.

    for what?!!!
    it’s the same as judging all WWII veterans for group killings
  • Alex Justice 6 February 2020 17: 52 New
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    In such cases, a jury trial is needed. I am sure the decision will be innocent.
  • Squelcher 6 February 2020 09: 28 New
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    Castrate to the very neck.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi 6 February 2020 09: 46 New
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    The question is what will be the solution.

    There are no questions here. They will give 15 years and do not go to a fortuneteller.
    Is there a crime? There is!
    Is there a corpse? There is!
    Is there a criminal who caused serious physical injuries to the victim? There is!
    Detained and confessed? Yes!
    All components of the crime are present. To jail and period.
    And all these "honest law enforcement officers and judges" absolutely do not care that this person saved 2 kids. They just do not give a damn about Vladimir Sankin and his future fate. They are for this "promptly disclosed case" they will still knock out prizes and titles.
    And no one, I emphasize, NOBODY can intercede for Vladimir Sankin. Neither the president, nor the new prime minister, nor the governor, nor the deputies are NOBODY.
    And why not?
    But because he is a simple citizen, without ties and money. That's why everyone doesn’t give a damn about him ...
    It's disgusting and disgusting. Here it is, a harsh real life in Russia.
    1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 00 New
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      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      There are no questions here. They will give 15 years and do not go to a fortuneteller.

      Do not escalate. Judges are people too and they have children.
      Moreover, such a public outcry
      1. Tatyana Pershina 6 February 2020 10: 58 New
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        Read the Criminal Code Article 37. Necessary defense
        According to this article, acting a guy is not a crime.
        1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 11: 06 New
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          Quote: Tatyana Pershina
          According to this article, acting a guy is not a crime.

          And no one recognized him as a criminal.
          And most likely does not recognize.
          100% all who are involved in this business on the side of this guy
          Moreover, there is also a state of affect
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            But, you must admit, it’s good that the Law is on its side.
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              But, you must admit, it’s good that the Law is on its side.

              And I did not argue with that.
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            And most likely does not recognize.

            I think they still recognize ... Unless the SME finds the cause of death, depending on Sankin's actions. For example, it recognizes Zaitsev's death as a heart attack after a long illness.
            1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 12: 25 New
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              I think they still recognize ...

              Admit to beating.
              There is no getting away from this.
              But there is also affect. Yes, and you can attract self-defense
              threatening with an ax.

              Well, there’s how the prosecutor’s office will make a fuss. As agreed with the doctors.
              No wonder
              The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation took control of the Sankin case, while a criminal case was opened against pedophile Zaitsev.

              And there people are cunning. Most likely they took control to tell how to grace Vladimir more elegantly.
              Moreover, the case was initiated against the deceased. This is all in order to level the work of Vladimir.
              It seems to me
              1. Den717 6 February 2020 12: 35 New
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                Well, there’s how the prosecutor’s office will make a fuss. As agreed with the doctors.
                No wonder
                The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation took control of the Sankin case, while a criminal case was opened against pedophile Zaitsev.

                If the UK took control, then no one will agree with anyone. They will suck all the bones, instead of three volumes, they will collect 33 and make a decision in strict accordance with the Criminal Code. There have been repeated cases that in the process of investigation a crime is being re-qualified from one article to another. In short, we must wait for the trial.
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                  In short, we must wait for the trial.

                  Well it is clear. The court will be unequivocal. There's no getting away from a corpse
                  It's just that I am firmly convinced that Vladimir will get off at a minimum.
                  He was not even detained under such an article. And that says a lot
          3. Simargl 6 February 2020 12: 58 New
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            And no one recognized him as a criminal.
            Was the court already? The investigation is investigating. He is a suspect.
            1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 27 New
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              He is a suspect.

              That's it. Not a criminal
              1. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 47 New
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                That's it. Not a criminal
                Here as BE say that our bending system can do his criminal.
                Phrase "threatens 15 years"in the title, that’s exactly what it means.
                If he had been declared a criminal somewhere, then it would have been written "receive" or "received" ... something like that ...
                1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 59 New
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                  Here, as BE they say that our bending system can make him a criminal.

                  Will not do.
                  For such scum, no one will break a person’s life
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                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Will not do.
                    For such scum, no one will break a person’s life
                    And not for such a break. Only public outcry will save him.
                    Even if at the moment he cannot attend work, his fate is already in question and at the discretion of the employer.
                    Any conviction and he is a criminal.
                  2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 14: 33 New
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                    Any conviction and he is a criminal.

                    Yes, it is clear.
                    Hope that the article will be re-qualified to some other
                    Vlip guy for ...... And yet, according to human laws, one hundred percent right. And everyone understands this.
                    And prosecutors and judges ... But. How is it, Dura Lex Sed Lex?
      2. Den717 6 February 2020 12: 12 New
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        Read the Criminal Code Article 37. Necessary defense
        According to this article, acting a guy is not a crime.

        The necessary defense is a very subtle thing. According to the chronology of the events described, the first boy escaped himself, the second was released when Sankin dragged Zaitsev out onto the street. At this point, the necessary actions were over - all possible victims were removed from the influence of the offender. According to the logic of the Criminal Code, Sankin should, with the help of unauthorized persons or the same boys, call the police and hand over Zaitsev with explanations of what happened. Sankin beat Zaitsev not in the process of releasing the second boy, but after that. Therefore, Article 37 is unlikely to apply. It is possible to tighten the state of affect. But it is already necessary to look at the case materials. According to the media, no such conclusions can be drawn. We must wait for the SME and the court decision. 15 will hardly give, but there have been cases when given below the lower limit. In addition, under this article, the punishment "... up to 15 years of horsepower ...." without indicating a lower term. One should hope for the maximum consideration of the accompanying facts that can be interpreted in favor of Sankin. But the indictment is likely to be.
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          One should hope for the maximum consideration of the accompanying facts that can be interpreted in favor of Sankin.

          Well, it’s not in vain because the RF IC harnessed.
          Most likely to suggest how to get out of this situation with the least losses for Vladimir
        2. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 16 New
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          Quote: Den717
          According to the logic of the Criminal Code, Sankin should, with the help of unauthorized persons or the same boys, call the police and hand over Zaitsev with explanations of what happened.
          Well ... by and large, he made a civil arrest (which is regulated in most normal countries and, oddly enough, in our country).
          Quote: Resolution of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of September 27, 2012 No. 19:
          19. The right to detain a person who has committed a crime has not only authorized representatives of the authorities, but also other persons, including those who have suffered from the crime, or who have become direct eyewitnesses, or those who have become reliably aware of its commission.
          The provisions of Article 38 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation may be applied to these persons if they cause harm while detaining the person who committed the crime.
          20. Persons who have committed a crime should include those who have committed both a completed and an unfinished crime, as well as accomplices of the corresponding crime. Moreover, the existence of a final conviction against such persons is not a prerequisite when deciding on the legality of causing him harm during detention.
          During the detention, a fight ensued (the detainee, as I understand it, was against), then it turned out not beautifully.
          Those. First, he stopped the crime, then he tried to detain the suspect for the purpose of transferring to law enforcement agencies, then he defended himself and others from an aggressive person.
          1. Den717 6 February 2020 13: 29 New
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            A fight ensued during the detention

            I read several notes about the incident; in all there are discrepancies in the details that are essential for the investigation. Therefore, in order not to spread thought on the tree, we must wait for the court. Apart from him and Sankin’s lawyers, no one has real information. It’s good to consider a house arrest. In the old days, a measure of restraint unrelated to detention was resorted to if either a short term or a suspended sentence were supposed. Could be a colony settlement ("chemistry"). Wait ....
            1. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 53 New
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              Quote: Den717
              Therefore, in order not to spread thought on the tree, we must wait for the court. Apart from him and Sankin’s lawyers, no one has real information.
              Yes! drinks

              Quote: Den717
              It’s good to consider a house arrest.
              In general, yes: the conditions on the IVS are so-so.

              Quote: Den717
              In the old days, a measure of restraint unrelated to detention was resorted to if either a short term or a suspended sentence were supposed.
              House arrest is not a “recognizance not to leave a place of residence”: they put on a bracelet when they are under a DO.
              1. Den717 6 February 2020 14: 02 New
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                In general, yes: the conditions on the IVS are so-so.

                Even very "so-so" !!!
          2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 35 New
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            Quote: Simargl
            Those. First, he stopped the crime, then he tried to detain the suspect for the purpose of transferring to law enforcement agencies, then he defended himself and others from an aggressive person.

            Well, probably the lawyer will prove something similar.
            And there we will see.
            If they prove that he was on the street with an ax ...
      3. Simargl 6 February 2020 12: 56 New
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        Quote: Tatyana Pershina
        Required Defense
        According to this article, acting a guy is not a crime.
        If the court does not take into account that he reacted to the child’s panic ... yes, he can be imposed on banditry: he broke into a stranger’s house, dragged him out into the street, and killed him in a public place ...
        You see, only one component and the event sparkled with new colors ...
      4. Barmaleyka 6 February 2020 13: 52 New
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        Quote: Tatyana Pershina
        Read the Criminal Code Article 37. Necessary defense

        proceeding from the LETTER of the law, his actions do not fall under this article, moreover, from the POINT OF VIEW OF THE LAW he did not even defend anyone
        fight and death, this (censorship) happened after he "recaptured" the boy from (censorship), because this (censorship) died not in the apartment with an ax in his hands, but already on the street.
        one hope is not the resonance of the public, remember a few years ago a girl banged a rapist didn’t sit down just because there was general indignation and the media got involved, and if they don’t cover it, they’ll put it on, for the sake of cops it’s possible to arrange everything as death during detention at the time of the commission of the crime and to arrange a law enforcement on the lawn
  • AU Ivanov. 6 February 2020 10: 07 New
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    They won’t give it, since EP harnessed for him. For judges, shouting against the party in power is more expensive.
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      They won’t give, since EP harnessed for him

      What does EP have to do with it?
      Judges have their own children. Who is this for them?
      54-year-old pedophile thrice tried for similar crimes

      Will they side with him?
      Do you really consider all judges to be soulless monsters?
      1. Barmaleyka 6 February 2020 13: 53 New
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        Judges have their own children. Who is this for them?

        that is why in the case of the murder of rapists, girls go to jail for real time
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          that is why in the case of the murder of rapists, girls go to jail for real time

          I know several cases; rapists were “major”.
          Nobody needs this inhuman
  • DenZ 6 February 2020 10: 14 New
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    And no one, I emphasize, NOBODY can intercede for Vladimir Sankin. Neither the president, nor the new prime minister, nor the governor, nor the deputies are NOBODY.

    I would definitely not argue. There is such a concept, the circumstances of the crime, and it turns out that Vladimir was forced to fight this subhuman saving the lives of children. Such a circumstance cannot be ignored. However, everything will be decided by the court.
    1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 26 New
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      Such a circumstance cannot be ignored. However, everything will be decided by the court.

      And judges are people too. Conditionally maximum
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  • bk316 6 February 2020 18: 36 New
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    There are no questions here. They will give 15 years and do not go to a fortuneteller

    DO NOT GIVE - we get lost on the headstock?
    If you were even a little versed after reading the article, everyone would immediately understand.
    1. Let go home - it means the case falls - then there will be a retraining (corpse that is). Well, there are no 15 years and will not be close.
    2. The legal support center of EDRA does not lose. So if something is given to a minimum.

    Personally, I think that there will be another article and conditionally.

    Well, what are you going to argue?
    1. Whiteidol 6 February 2020 22: 16 New
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      Let go home, maybe. Sankin did not commit the indicated act intentionally. UD has nothing to do with it. Plus he prevented serious crimes that could have been committed in relation to n / l. And the victim himself is far from a gift.
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      Here is my answer to you:
      Full text: https://www.yaplakal.com/forum7/topic2044000.html
      With respect to Maria Zotova, a preventive measure was chosen - detention
      According to a source in the press service of the capital's Central Internal Affairs Directorate, Maria Zotova was taken into custody on the evening of 11.12.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX and is currently in the temporary detention center at the Internal Affairs Directorate in the Southern Administrative District. This preventive measure was chosen due to the fact that one of the victims died in the hospital due to a spinal injury.
      Recall that on December 7.12.2019, XNUMX, two representatives of one of the diasporas suffered as a result of a fight with a girl near one of the capital's clubs. One of the victims received a spinal injury, the second has a serious injury to the right hand.
      Maria Zotova is the champion of the Russian Federation in karate, that day, according to her, the Chechens began to pester her and grab her neck, which is why she had to fight back.
      11.12.2019/111/XNUMX it became known that a criminal case has been opened against Maria under Article XNUMX of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Intentional infliction of grievous bodily harm). After it became known that one of the attackers died in the hospital, a preventive measure was chosen - detention.
      We managed to contact a representative of the karate federation of the Russian Federation and one of Maria’s lawyers.
      According to a representative of the karate federation of the Russian Federation, Viktor Govorov, Maria also received injuries in the fight:
      - Masha is not the initiator of this incident, she defended herself against a numerically superior opponent, moreover, a male. We don’t understand why a criminal case was instituted against her, and not other persons involved. Masha had a hematoma on her neck, it is clear that hematomas on her back also tried to strangle her - when she grabbed the first of the attackers, the second beat her with a stick on the back. The Federation hired lawyers for Mary, I think that in the near future the situation will be resolved.
      Maria’s lawyer Oleg Zvantsev said that in the coming days he will achieve a change in the preventive measure for house arrest:
      - The situation is complicated by the fact that we cannot quickly find witnesses to the incident. Surveillance cameras, as it turned out, did not work. Also, the fact of the death of one of the defendants also makes its difficulties. But I’m sure that in the near future Maria will leave the IVS for subscription and we will make every effort to protect her in court.
      We were unable to contact Maria’s second lawyer, Sergey Chelishchev, according to unofficial information he is going to score a shooter for Chechens.

      Why is she in custody?
      I understand that it was Maria who started to pester them with very bad intentions, right?
      And these jigits are “pure innocents”?

      Therefore, Vladimir Sankin will be given 15 years. And there is nothing to argue here. I have given arguments above.
      1. bk316 7 February 2020 11: 40 New
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        Therefore, Vladimir Sankin will be given 15 years. And there is nothing to argue here.

        Merged? I wonder when they will not let you acknowledge your misunderstanding or not?
  • tihonmarine 6 February 2020 09: 48 New
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    The court will definitely be, otherwise it is simply impossible. The question is what will be the solution.

    And the worst thing is that there is no one to protect Sankin, because the whole "democratic community" and the entire world LGBT people are on the side of the murdered pedophile.
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      and the whole world of LGBT people on the side of the murdered pedophile.

      Who said that?
      Discard the link
      1. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 10: 07 New
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        Discard the link

        Look for it yourself. And I said that.
        1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 19 New
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          . And I said that.

          Well tady oh ...
          It seems you know better what
          the whole world of LGBT
    2. DenZ 6 February 2020 10: 14 New
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      And the worst thing is that there is no one to protect Sankin, because the whole "democratic community" and the entire world LGBT people are on the side of the murdered pedophile.

      Do not carry nonsense. We are not in Europe (thank God)
      1. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 11: 12 New
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        Do not carry nonsense. We are not in Europe (thank God)

        But the guy will be judged, as in Europe.
        1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 11: 20 New
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          But the guy will be judged, as in Europe.

          Yeah...
          What makes you think that the pidofila will be judged as in Europe?
          Do prosecutors sympathize with non-humans?
          Judges will be shed tears?
          Yes, Vladimir will applaud everyone standing
          1. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 11: 41 New
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            Yes, Vladimir will applaud everyone standing

            The people will applaud, but I doubt the justice.
            1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 11: 48 New
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              But I doubt the justice.

              And justice?
              Do you seriously think that both the prosecutor’s office and the court sympathize with non-humans?
              Where are such conclusions from? Live people work there too. And they also hate evil spirits.
              1. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 12: 28 New
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                Do you seriously think that both the prosecutor’s office and the court sympathize with non-humans?

                DO NOT ASSIST
                1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 12: 32 New
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                  DO NOT ASSIST

                  Then why doubt the justice?
                  1. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 12: 46 New
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                    Then why doubt the justice?

                    Empathy or (not) justice is not always the same. I saw a lot in my life when they put innocents like this. How many pedophiles and perverts got off with a suspended, or short term, but how many unjustly convicted prisoners received. I remember this from the Soviet era as an example of my classmate. True with pedophiles, then it was very strict.
                  2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 08 New
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                    How many pedophiles and perverts got off with a suspended, or short term,

                    They paid well, or powerful relatives.
                    Who's that? Who needs it? Now such a wave has arisen that it would never occur to anyone to stutter in his defense.
                    And in such a process, you won’t earn a good name for yourself.
                    I personally know innocent convicts.
                    8 months ago, a friend left for 10 years.
                    I could not prove that I did not kill. That there was a third in the apartment. The condition was this. You admit, 8. No, 10. I left at 10
                    Although everyone who knows him is more than sure that he did not kill
                  3. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 13: 19 New
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                    Now such a wave has risen that it would never occur to anyone to stutter in his defense

                    Now, when the people have risen, the guy should be acquitted or conditionally convicted.
                  4. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 38 New
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                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    guy should be acquitted or conditionally convicted.

                    May not justify, but conditionally guaranteed to a minimum
                  5. AleksPol 6 February 2020 14: 18 New
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                    Sergei, even if given conditionally, this is a stain for life, and no one will subsequently understand what the term is in the biography.
                  6. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 14: 39 New
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                    Sergei, even if given conditionally, this is a spot for life,

                    Yes, this is understandable .... Yes, the article is so bad. If you only retrain to another one where you can get off with the help of a jury ...
                  7. AleksPol 6 February 2020 14: 44 New
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                    And what is your conclusion? What to do in such a situation. If even the fact that you didn’t protect your life, but the life and honor of the boys, does the term shine for you, even conditional?
                  8. AleksPol 6 February 2020 14: 56 New
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                    Even if the judge by kindness of soul slams a suspended sentence. what will it change ? If, God forbid, be in this situation, then the work is over. Another age is not found. And where is justice and on whose side is the law?
                  9. bk316 6 February 2020 18: 40 New
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                    what will it change

                    WHAT WILL CHANGE? am Turn on the brain - you will understand the difference between the conditional for excess and the tag for murder. Do not drive about work. We have been convicted of half the country.
                  10. AleksPol 6 February 2020 20: 15 New
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                    There must be a complete justification. And if it’s not a secret where you work, it won’t work in our airline company. Get fired and don't blink
                  11. bk316 7 February 2020 11: 41 New
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                    And if it’s not a secret where you work, it won’t work in our airline

                    IT company. We have employees with a criminal record, though with a criminal record.
                    The airline is still a specificity.
      2. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 14: 27 New
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        May not justify, but conditionally guaranteed to a minimum

        Something will be so, whatever one may say, but still a murder.
      3. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 17: 07 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Something will be so, whatever one may say, but still a murder.

        And you won’t get anywhere from this fact.
      4. bk316 6 February 2020 18: 42 New
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        And you won’t get anywhere from this fact.

        That is why the state does not punish certain types of killings.
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        That is why the state does not punish certain types of killings.

        Yes, and I hope so. Moreover, there is no murder
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    We are not in Europe (thank God)
    Мы и in Europe.
    Which god? A lot of them.
  • Lipchanin 6 February 2020 09: 59 New
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    . The question is what will be the solution.

    Conditional. Even without options
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      Conditional. Even without options

      Just because the case got a public outcry? Remember how the armless and legless thief was given a term.
      1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 28 New
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        Just because the case got a public outcry?

        Because both in the police and in the prosecutor's office and in court, people, living people work. And they also have children. And this, too, is disgusting to them ....
        1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 11: 01 New
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          living people work.

          What a company, such people. Personally, I saw one in a drunk ass primed in a white sea in the ass and set on fire. And they otovarili me on the ridge, so as not to arise.
          1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 11: 10 New
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            What company, such and people

            Do you think that there is someone who sympathizes with this bastard?
            Yes, everyone applauds to Vladimir there
            1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 11: 15 New
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              Yes, everyone applauds to Vladimir there

              However, the case was opened. I saw such morons, and more than once. He’s a coward, stolen from the rope, reluctant to look, but here you are! Ready business!
              1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 11: 27 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                However, the case was brought

                Mandatory. When there is a corpse, a case must be brought.
                He’s a coward, stolen from the rope, reluctant to look, but here you are! Ready business!

                Well, do not confuse you soft with round.
                To initiate a case, this does not mean to condemn.
                He was not even taken into custody.
                For less, as you say, "cowards stolen from the rope" in jail for months pickle, but here they didn’t even arrest
                1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 11: 33 New
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                  To initiate a case, this does not mean to condemn.

                  Hehe. It practically means blaming. Not that the operas on the head will receive. Morally.
                  1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 11: 38 New
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                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Hehe. It practically means blaming.

                    There is a corpse. The case MUST bring. Condemns the court. And it may not reach him.
                    Not that the operas on the head will receive.

                    And what about operas? belay
                  2. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 11: 41 New
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                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    And what about operas?

                    And to whom do the applications come? To opera, darling ..
                  3. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 11: 51 New
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                    And to whom do the applications come? To opera, darling ..

                    So it’s not he who initiates the case. Moreover, the guy himself called. There’s nothing to do opera there
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                The investigator does not investigate the criminal case. This is what the investigator does.
            2. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 23 New
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              He was not even taken into custody.
              What is it with your brain? He is under ARREST!!! It means - guarded!
              1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 41 New
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                Well yes. House arrest and pre-trial detention center are one and the same
                And the brain is fine. I see the difference between the "arrest"
                It’s better to wait for a court house than to slurp a jumble in a pre-trial detention center
                And according to this article, they could calmly identify him there.
  • Krasnoyarsk 6 February 2020 12: 27 New
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    Quote: maxim947

    After the first time, by decision of the court, they must be neutered without fail.
    The court will definitely be, otherwise it is simply impossible. The question is what will be the solution.

    The President, after the announcement of the verdict, has the right to have mercy. Have mercy? After all, this is not a drug addict from Israel.
    1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 10 New
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      The President, after the announcement of the verdict, has the right to have mercy.

      He will not even be condemned
      1. Krasnoyarsk 6 February 2020 13: 22 New
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        He will not even be condemned

        I really hope so, but somehow ....
        With us, somehow, the law is always above justice. A must be equal.
        1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 13: 44 New
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          With us, somehow, the law is always above justice. A must be equal.

          Yes, this evil does not need anyone.
          No one will put a normal guy for it.
          What for? Which judge will do this?
          Well, if the jury, then anyone will justify it
          1. Krasnoyarsk 6 February 2020 16: 06 New
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            What for? Which judge will do this?

            The judge must explain his sentence. But how can he do this? Only guided by the Criminal Code. And in the Criminal Code there is no such thing - "Yes, this evil spirits are not needed by anyone." There is - "inflicting grievous bodily harm leading to the death of the victim." Please note that this non-human being is already a victim !!!
            1. bk316 6 February 2020 18: 48 New
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              The judge must explain his sentence.

              I explain. FOR PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING, BUT WRITING.
              The boys were in danger - threatened. The prosecutor's office filed a case on pedophilia - in the UK under control.
              So ALREADY all excess of self-defense, since the threat to the lives of third parties also falls under this.
              So the rationale is very simple - NOT THAT ARTICLE.
              Further, either the prosecutor’s office will generally die out, or again to court.
              But the excess case was purely subjective, the firearm was - was not, the cold was - was not.
              And so a tragic accident .... laughing
              1. Krasnoyarsk 6 February 2020 21: 32 New
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                And so a tragic accident ..

                I really want it to be so.
  • NEXUS 6 February 2020 14: 19 New
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    After the first time, by decision of the court, they must be neutered without fail.

    For me, castration of such geeks is mandatory. Plus, I would have chopped off my hands so that, even out of necessity, they would go for the rest of their lives.
    As for this case ... well, ask the same judges, but what would they do in the place of this guy in this situation?
    Here in VO the majority of parents and of course, and certainly they are on the side of the defending children, since these children could have been their children.
  • bk316 6 February 2020 18: 24 New
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    After the first time, by decision of the court, they must be neutered without fail.

    This is obvious to everyone, simply because it is not treated and the pedophile will repeat everything as soon as possible.
    THIS IS PROVEN MEDICAL. Only the whole thing seems to be going around the world to the legalization of pedophilia, so your proposal will not work.
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    underage boys and on to one of the boys.
  • Alexander Seklitsky 7 February 2020 16: 09 New
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    After the first time, by decision of the court, they must be neutered without fail.

    Yes, it does not help. You can abuse the minors without their own troubles. If the brains are on one side, then only the bullet "castrates" them
  • Nevsky_ZU 6 February 2020 08: 52 New
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    On the side of the accused is the United Russia human rights center, and a petition has been created on the Internet in defense of Sankin. At the moment, more than 77 thousand people have signed it.

    And on the side of the court, probably the colleagues of the “injured”, “brothers” in robes ?!

    There is a corpse with traces of beatings. There is a law. And what is the connection with people in robes?
    Someone from the investigating authorities should take the initiative and write that the pedophile himself fell or as in the article:
    The only thing that can change the situation is an autopsy report. Zaitsev was alive at the end of the fight, refused the ambulance and was contact. In an ambulance, for example, a heart attack could happen to him. Then there will be another situation

    Nothing at all, your signature on the conclusion of the case. hi
    1. Starover_Z 6 February 2020 09: 03 New
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      There is a corpse with traces of beatings. There is a law.

      Is there a law ?! Where ?! Is pedophilia allowed ?! Protection of children from attack is suppressed by the Law ?!
      I read a similar story in the early 90s about the “Afghan” who stood up for a young couple who were attacked by a youth gang of 6 people. 3 in the hospital, 3 in the cemetery, and the guy's term!
      Law is law !
      1. Edik 6 February 2020 09: 15 New
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        Is there a law ?! Where ?!

        There is a presumption of innocence until the court has proved the opposite, the person is not guilty! He had to legs in hands and run, and not call an ambulance to call “this not a good person!” I think he would exactly they didn’t find it! And according to the law, he committed a murder, although many people will thank him, including me!
        1. polar fox 6 February 2020 09: 36 New
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          There is a presumption of innocence until a court has proven otherwise the person is not guilty

          communicate with the judges, open their eyes to IT ... Hakhaleva-example.
      2. Lannan Shi 6 February 2020 09: 27 New
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        Quote: Starover_Z
        Is there a law ?! Where ?! Is pedophilia allowed ?! Protection of children from attack is suppressed by the Law ?!

        The law is Pedophilia is prohibited. But protection in general, and self-defense in particular, is a terrible crime.
        You have to scream loudly, run in circles, call the police and Santa Claus, but defend yourself ... There is a state for that. Look for what you thought up. You’ll defend yourself today, and tomorrow you’ll decide that you are knee-deep in the sea, and you’re not a trembling creature? Well this is undermining the foundations of state building, worse than terrorism. Yeah.
        1. Edik 6 February 2020 09: 49 New
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          But protection in general, and self-defense in particular, is a terrible crime.
          You have to scream loudly, run in circles, call the police and Santa Claus, but defend yourself ... There is a state for that.

          In order to determine the limits of self-defense and the application of emergency measures, legal regulation was required, which is regulated by Art. 37 and Article 38 of the Criminal Code. Also, one should not forget that according to Article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, any person has the right to protect himself by any means and means not prohibited by law.
          Source: https://samsebevoin.ru/zakon/o-samooborone.html SamSebeWoin © Self-defense and martial arts
          1. Lannan Shi 6 February 2020 10: 10 New
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            In order to determine the limits of self-defense and the application of emergency measures

            Kind. The words self-defense and the limits of necessity are not combined at all. Seen from the point of view of common sense, and not of the Criminal Code. They attacked me. That is, the striker has already gone beyond the legal framework. Why should I be with him by law? From the point of view of logic, and not the Criminal Code, the defender can at least meet the aggressor with his fists, at least move the tank. For he does not torment a poor, law-abiding citizen, but neutralizes the criminal. Ready to kill, rob, rape? Well, be prepared for the fact that at any moment you will be beaten like a mad dog. Without any ceremony. Only with this approach can crime really decrease. And when the state protects the criminal .... Hmm. Then the pedophiles will sit down 10 times, and come up with how not to get caught in the 11th.
            1. Edik 6 February 2020 10: 17 New
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              The words self-defense and the limits of necessity are not combined at all. Seen from the point of view of common sense

              What is your common sense? For example, a person pushed you with his shoulder, and you had the right to kill him, justifying it with self-defense? Do you have a lot of words in the text
              1. Lannan Shi 6 February 2020 10: 52 New
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                The fact that a person, for example, pushed you with his shoulder

                Would not recommend. You will not like the result.
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                  Would not recommend. You will not like the result.

                  Does this somehow relate to the topic of our discussion?
                  1. Lannan Shi 6 February 2020 11: 01 New
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                    Quote: Edik
                    Does this somehow relate to the topic of our discussion?

                    And how does shoulder-pushing relate to the discussion of killing a pedophile? He decided to balk with the boys shoulders? Did you take an ax for the entourage? In general, tired. If the lives of pedophiles are more important for you than the lives of two boys, ahead and with a song, about limits, court and other human rights dregs. Just think about the fact that if suddenly such a topor-bearer reaches your children / grandchildren, they may not come to their aid, imbued with your own ideology. What will you sing then?
                    Dixi.
          2. Snake 6 February 2020 11: 15 New
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            Well, they protect themselves (and at home), for example, with a registered firearm, so what? Then, all the same, the words “about by any means and means not prohibited by law” are planted, they dissolve somewhere, but instead the real term. Because the law sees only action: they killed you with an article, you killed you and it doesn’t matter under what circumstances. More precisely, another thing is important: how many people can flush the dough, then then the funds will be legal and the methods that you need and even give a medal for vigilance laughing
      3. To be or not to be 6 February 2020 09: 29 New
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        That's right - the law is the law!
        Then the question is, where is the police at this time?
    2. Grandfather 6 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      The Ufa citizen faces up to 15 years of protection for children and the murder of a pedophile
      it means a sentence to all of us ... I would kill too, and would not hesitate. Inhumans have no place among people.
      1. alma 6 February 2020 09: 28 New
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        Found a link to the petition:
        https://www.change.org/p/городская-дума-оправдать-героя-спасшего-ребёнка?source_location=petitions_browse
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          Quote: alma
          Found a link to the petition:
          https://www.change.org/p/городская-дума-оправдать-героя-спасшего-ребёнка?source_location=petitions_browse

          I will sign immediately. Thank you for the link. It shocks how many people are for Vladimir, the link is just a wave.
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            Quote: Dead Day
            I will sign immediately. Thanks for the link.

            wiping with these petitions ... remember the pension one. it’s just that if there is publicity, they will “decide”.
        2. Simargl 6 February 2020 13: 30 New
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          From a gun on sparrows. It is necessary to change the law so that each time the petition is not signed. And how many will sit those who were not heard?
      2. New Year day 6 February 2020 09: 35 New
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        I would kill too, and would not hesitate. Inhumans have no place among people.

        in this situation, what would the hero of Papanov do?

        Who condemns him?
        Like at the front: here is the enemy (pedophile) - beat him
        1. Grandfather 6 February 2020 09: 38 New
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          in this situation, what would the hero of Papanov do?

          Yeah. Putin said it was necessary to beat the first ... since the court is like this. Zaitsev was alive at the end of the fight, refused the ambulance and was contact. In an ambulance, for example, a heart attack could happen to him. Then there will be another situationmean heart surrender. and that’s it. bury behind a quiet fence ..
    3. Tank hard 6 February 2020 09: 20 New
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      There is a corpse with traces of beatings. There is a law.

      So is this the right law? And if this happens to your children and people hesitate to come to the rescue, remembering the case of Sankin?
    4. Jarserge 6 February 2020 09: 22 New
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      There is a letter of law and there is a spirit of law, while judges peering into the letter, crime will only flourish
      1. Grandfather 6 February 2020 09: 44 New
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        Quote: Tank Hard
        There is a corpse with traces of beatings. There is a law.

        curve law.
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          Quote: Dead Day
          curve law.

          And there is no other
          1. Grandfather 6 February 2020 10: 10 New
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            I so want to say: what kind of power, such laws ... but I will not say.
            1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 30 New
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              Quote: Dead Day
              I so want to say: what kind of power, such laws ... but do not say

              Do not need. Laws under all authorities are and will be
            2. Golovan Jack 6 February 2020 11: 03 New
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              Quote: Dead Day
              so I want to say: what kind of power, such laws ...

              Was it different with "self-defense" in the USSR? No. What, too, was such a power? wink
              1. Demon_is_ada 6 February 2020 14: 00 New
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                In the USSR, the prosecutor hardly concocted such a stupid accusation. Armed criminal where did you leave the topic? Sorry, disarmament without violence does not happen in principle, are you sure that the death blow was dealt after disarmament? Nobody but BG will tell you about this. lol There is a maximum of excess, which, due to lack of proof, smoothly passes into a court of justification and is free, you can and should hand out the Order of Courage, he honestly deserves it! hi
      2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 08 New
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        Quote: Jarserge
        while the judges are peering at the letter

        And you do not need to peer?
        Well then, this is no longer the law.
        Another thing is how to interpret it.
        I'm more than sure this guy will have practically nothing.
        Conditionally maximum
        1. Dart 6 February 2020 10: 52 New
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          Conditionally maximum

          and this, too, can spoil a peasant’s life ... for which, one wonders .. you say it so easily, that conditionally, it’s just a trifle, as if to blow your nose.
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            Quote: Dart
            and this, too, can ruin a man’s life ... for what, one wonders?

            Yes, understand, I'm with all my heart on the side of this guy.
            And all who are involved in this business.
            This is disgusting to everyone .....
            But there is a law. You won’t get anywhere from this
            Another thing is that everyone will try to do everything to the maximum for maximum mitigation, well, or smoothing.
            But the trial will be. Mandatory. And there the judges, together with the lawyers, can come up with something to minimize the penalty
    5. Vita vko 6 February 2020 09: 42 New
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      There is a corpse with traces of beatings. There is a law. And what is the connection with people in robes?

      Despite the fact that the vast majority of laws were written in the 90s, they are aimed at protecting the oligarchs and their gangster guards, i.e. you can do whatever you want with a simple person (threaten, blackmail and kill), but if he suddenly wants to protect himself, children, a woman and even his mother, then gangster laws on exceeding self-defense or causing death by negligence immediately come into force. And everyone understands that most of the police, especially its leadership, are corrupt and it’s more expensive to seek justice there.
      1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 32 New
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        Despite the fact that the vast majority of laws were written in the 90s aimed at protecting the oligarchs and their gangster guards,

        That is, Article 111 should be removed from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
      2. edmed 6 February 2020 10: 41 New
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        Despite the fact that the vast majority of laws were written in the 90s

        good I recalled- "All the laws in modern Russia were written by thieves in law on long prison nights."
      3. Golovan Jack 6 February 2020 11: 07 New
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        the vast majority of laws were written in the 90s aimed at protecting the oligarchs and their gangster guards

        Quote: Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1960
        Article 105. Murder when exceeding the limits of necessary defense

        Also, probably, the oligarchs were guarded yes
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          Their henchmen.
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            UK RSFSR 1960
            Article 105. Murder when exceeding the limits of necessary defense

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Also, probably, the oligarchs were guarded

            Quote: Alex Z
            Their henchmen

            Highlighted in blue.

            We think, and only then - do we write something yes
      4. hohkn 6 February 2020 19: 03 New
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        Come on you. The laws were normal. The performers were different - yes. There were more normal police officers before, and now there are more than nits in uniform. You don’t need all to fit one comb. And in the 90s, normal employees were not afraid of anyone, they did their job. As an example: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/654
        The prosecutor's office there tried to hush up, but the opera was not given. There they still boiled passions. And they tried to threaten the witnesses. I even had to protect both the witness and her daughter.
        As a result, the regional prosecutor was still fired. True, "of his own free will," and the case was dismissed "due to a change in situation."
    6. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 09: 50 New
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      There is a corpse with traces of beatings. There is a law. And what is the connection with people in robes?

      From here the conclusion is simple, kill get away, rape get away, steal turn your back. If you do not follow these recommendations, then you will go to jail, not a criminal.
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    It seemed like this already, the guy killed the Uzbek trying to rape the girl in the entrance with a blow, the jury justified request
    1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 33 New
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      Quote: Evil543
      It seemed like this already, the guy killed the Uzbek trying to rape the girl in the entrance with a blow, the jury justified

      And this will be justified
  • Mavrikiy 6 February 2020 11: 10 New
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    Quote: Starover_Z
    And on the side of the court, probably the colleagues of the “injured”, “brothers” in robes ?!
    If not directly, then indirectly. Phone.
  • Zoldat_A 6 February 2020 15: 56 New
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    And on the side of the court, probably the colleagues of the “injured”, “brothers” in robes ?!

    Strongly against jury trials
    how can you expect twelve stupid jury traders to believe in your innocence?

    (c) A. Conan-Doyle

    But in this case, I think, “twelve stupid traders” would express the opinion of the people and ensure justice.

    Yes, well ... Nobody will remind me - why, and for the sake of whom we canceled the execution? "The Most Democratic Country of the World" hangs, kills with electric shock, poison with gas - and nothing ... They’re "democratic". And we, “savages”, “steppes”, “nomads” - all the fifth point is unknown to whom we wag ...

    It's disgusting .... For those who do not hear people and adopt stupid laws, not for the country, but for their business trips paid to the budget to the "civilized" world.

    Yes, I’m a barbarian, a “steppe”, a savage - this is how my father raised him. Only my father always said to me: "If you were hit on the left cheek - hit from the right hand."
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    On the side of the “finally injured” Russian court - fair and incorruptible! With the legislative framework that EP lobbies.
  • Nevsky_ZU 6 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    I’ll get a bunch of minuses, but the court is the court, and it should be so that the legal institutions in the country are not eroded.
    Another thing is that the sentence was purely symbolic. With the further removal of the criminal record.
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      Another thing is that the sentence was purely symbolic.

      Anyone even "symbolic" a criminal sentence - that same “wolf ticket” to life. No one will understand (when applying for a job, say) that he received his term for saving the boys from the old lustful homosexual.

      However, all according to the familiar principle "no good deed will go unpunished."
      1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 35 New
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        Any, even “symbolic” sentence of a criminal offense is the same “wolf ticket” to life.

        Well no. The sentencing judgment is completely different
    2. Aleks2048 6 February 2020 09: 03 New
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      I agree that the court must be. But fair. And the punishment should not be symbolic, it’s not about the situation Vaska Petka moved in the face. So the man died. Understand the pedophile, maybe, I’m not in defense of pedophilia or something like that. But according to the law, a pedophile must be in prison, and I agree with the statement that it would be better if there was only the highest measure for pedophilia. But the key in this is precisely according to the law, that is, after a court decision, and not by means of lynching during which a person died.
      But in general there are a lot of questions to the article. But it so happened that in VO such articles where it is about the law enforcement system of the Russian Federation often suffer from the lack of factual information and some subjectivity.
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        freedom to Vladimir Sankin!
        Quote: Alex2048
        So the man died.
        it was not a man.
        1. Sergey Olegovich 6 February 2020 09: 25 New
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          freedom to Vladimir Sankin

          I support. Link to the petition in defense and support of Vladimir Sankin http://chng.it/cQrhqcy98d
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        Understand the pedophile, maybe, I’m not in defense of pedophilia or something like that. But according to the law, a pedophile must be in prison, and I agree with the statement that it would be better if there was only the highest measure for pedophilia. But the key in this is precisely according to the law, that is, after a court decision, and not by means of lynching during which a person died

        That's all you say so here, until you personally touched ...
      3. New Year day 6 February 2020 09: 24 New
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        the person has died.

        who raped human children? This is a beast. and the beast must be in a cage. You suppose. that after the first imprisonment such are corrected? - No, because it’s mental disease.
        It’s good to talk about morality, justice, as long as he or your children become victims of such freaks. Imagine your child next to you and this is a "man."
        How about a humane and fair trial?
        1. Grandfather 6 February 2020 09: 50 New
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          How about a humane and fair trial?

          Well, so Volodya Sankin condemned .... I support.
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            Well, so Volodya Sankin condemned ...

            He did what the state did not do and what HUMAN should do — he protected the child. Exceeded the limit, perhaps we’ll offer a pedophile help with a flimsy health?
            1. Grandfather 6 February 2020 10: 04 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Dead Day
              Well, so Volodya Sankin condemned ...

              He did what the state did not do and what HUMAN should do — he protected the child. Exceeded the limit, perhaps we’ll offer a pedophile help with a flimsy health?

              that's exactly Sylvester. hi
      4. polar fox 6 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        But the key in this is precisely according to the law, that is, after a court decision, and not by means of lynching during which a person died.

        I wouldn’t have acted like Vladimir Sankin ... I would have pulled out a guy. I visited a ghoul later ... I wouldn’t have to look for a ghoul.
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          Quote: polar fox
          Quote: Alex2048
          But the key in this is precisely according to the law, that is, after a court decision, and not by means of lynching during which a person died.

          I wouldn’t have acted like Vladimir Sankin ... I would have pulled out a guy. I visited a ghoul later ... I wouldn’t have to look for a ghoul.

          intelligence service ?
    3. Lamata 6 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      when the former Minister of Justice, Kovalev, was 6 years probation, brother Bykov was 9 years probation, but here the real peasant, what’s the real term for the slaughter.
    4. seti 6 February 2020 09: 20 New
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      I completely agree. I hope that the decision will be objective and will take into account all the details.
    5. Tank hard 6 February 2020 09: 21 New
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      Another thing is that the sentence was purely symbolic.

      Well, yes, and complete happiness with a lack of work, do you know what a criminal record is? Truth?
    6. Polite Moose 6 February 2020 09: 43 New
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      I’ll get a bunch of minuses, but the court is the court, and it should be so that the legal institutions in the country are not eroded.
      Another thing is that the sentence was purely symbolic. With the further removal of the criminal record.

      Vyacheslav! hi In my opinion, your comment summarizes everything expressed here on the topic of the article. There’s nothing to lose.
      But there are a lot of questions to our judicial system.
    7. Grandfather 6 February 2020 09: 46 New
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      Another thing is that the sentence was purely symbolic. With the further removal of the criminal record.

      I’m not sure that he would have survived in any form, if not in the pre-trial detention center, then in the zone he got his own, there, too, the Men are serving. they have families and children, and they would surely have done it there.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 6 February 2020 10: 10 New
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        Grandfather (Grandfather Old)
        I’m not sure that he would have survived in any form, if not in the pre-trial detention center, then in the zone he got his own, there, too, the Men are serving. they have families and children, and they would surely have done it there.
        He had served 11 years before and also for pedophelia. And then there were no "men" who would have finished it there. Probably there were no fools to win the time. So in the best case, I would have served another 10-ku and left.
        A man respect, signed a petition in his defense, but I think the sense of this is zero. There will be no sense if the wave of defense rises in the media, then you look and our "good president, who is letting go of drugs, may deign to sign a pardon. I personally have no doubt that the sentence will be serious.
    8. Evil543 6 February 2020 10: 15 New
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      Jury trial will justify
    9. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 34 New
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      Another thing is that the sentence was purely symbolic. With the further removal of the criminal record.

      And he will be so, and most likely justifiable
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      I agree with you. But here a jury is needed - the case is directly related to the public. Therefore, people should decide the fate of Vladimir.
      And people, I’m sure, will justify Vladimir in all respects.
  • Victor_B 6 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    Again these grimaces of legal proceedings ...
    Here Zubkov was also planted ... (Taigan Lion Park)
    1. Lamata 6 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      arrested him for 2 months, do not confuse.
      1. Victor_B 6 February 2020 09: 08 New
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        arrested him for 2 months, do not confuse.

        Yes, yes!
        He is very dangerous at large!
        Yes, I know your objection - I did not appear in court.
        In one of several hundred. Which sew him.
        1. Lamata 6 February 2020 09: 10 New
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          Yes, I am aware of what the arrest was written out for, it is felt that this is also a manifestation of power, do not twitch bastard, we are the power. There is a wording, he can hide.
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        2. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 43 New
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          He is very dangerous at large!

          Arrest arrest strife
          . The accused himself is under house arrest,

          Is that an arrest ...
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            Nasko.lko I read about arrest with placement in a pre-trial detention center, maybe already appealed or changed to house arrest.
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        arrested him for 2 months

        arrested to land. And to plant, in order to squeeze the park
        1. Victor_B 6 February 2020 09: 30 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          And to plant, in order to squeeze the park

          Squeeze for free, ditch and sell.
          Typical raiding under the roof of the authorities.
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          Yes, there is no measure of hemorrhage with this park, it seems that all the same, show who is the boss in the house.
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  • Kosta153 6 February 2020 08: 49 New
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    I live in a kilometer. There are a lot of acquaintances there. They say that Sankin simply beat him, he did not resist. The neighbors barely dragged him away. Samosud, although I fully support the guy. Signed a petition.
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      Quote: Kosta153
      I live in a kilometer. There are a lot of acquaintances there. They say that Sankin simply beat him, he did not resist. The neighbors barely dragged him away. Samosud, although I fully support the guy. Signed a petition.

      And, unfortunately, such lynching will continue even if the state has legally removed this problem from tolerance of punishment for pedophiles.
    2. Terenin 6 February 2020 09: 06 New
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      I live in a kilometer. There are a lot of acquaintances there. They say that Sankin simply beat him, he did not resist. The neighbors barely dragged him away. Samosud, although I fully support the guy. Signed a petition.

      Ah, an examination on alcohol, what did it show? If Sankin was sober, then a mitigating circumstance, if drunk, then aggravating. You need a competent lawyer (well, you understand ...)
    3. New Year day 6 February 2020 09: 09 New
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      Sankin just pounded him

      when you see such a beast, there’s no power to stop. I’ll kill my granddaughter without thinking about the consequences. Last thing. what remains holy on earth is children
    4. Lamata 6 February 2020 09: 17 New
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      Mlyn, it does not open, there is no access, maybe they covered it?
      1. Grandfather 6 February 2020 09: 57 New
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        Mlyn, it does not open, there is no access, maybe they covered it?

        opens.https: //www.change.org/p/city- duma- justify-hero-saved-saved-child? source_location = petitions_browse
        1. Lamata 6 February 2020 10: 23 New
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          OK. thank you
        2. askort154 6 February 2020 10: 32 New
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          Grandfather ....mln, does not open, no access can cover up?

          No need to search. The word is highlighted in red in the article
          petition. You open and subscribe. yes hi
    5. Evil543 6 February 2020 10: 17 New
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      It can be understood, not lynching, but simply anger and loss of control.
      1. Lipchanin 6 February 2020 10: 46 New
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        Quote: Evil543
        but just anger and loss of control.

        Typical affect state. Mitigating circumstance. And there are plenty of such
    6. Whiteidol 6 February 2020 22: 41 New
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      If these friends gave evidence, then this is worse for Sankin.
  • bessmertniy 6 February 2020 08: 49 New
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    A mitigating circumstance in relation to Sankin may be his recognition in a state of affect, which predetermined the result that the pedophile died. I myself am somehow a beast, in such situations I can not vouch for myself. angry angry
    1. GenNick 6 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      Sankin seemed to be in a binge, the state of passion does not roll.
      But, having hung the lyuley as a pervert, he turned it over to the doctors and police officers of the living ...
      According to your laws, up to 5 years ,, chemistry '' ...
      1. bessmertniy 6 February 2020 09: 10 New
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        Very sorry. It would be necessary for this pedophile to sit. Maybe he was lucky that he threw the horses away. Once again, he would hardly have returned again.
        1. Tank hard 6 February 2020 09: 26 New
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          Once again, he would hardly have returned again.

          You naively believe in this, he has already returned from there once, and nothing lived.
        2. Sova 6 February 2020 10: 45 New
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          Before that, he returned more than once, already three times. And then I would have served quite a bit, if I had continued, since we don’t have the death penalty, give life after the first time.
  • Mountain shooter 6 February 2020 08: 52 New
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    A conflict ... But still there is a fact of a fight and death ... How to "write it off"? Well, not for suicide? Honestly, I myself would have done the same thing in the place of a man ... And in the same way I would have "sat down" ... But I didn’t come up with how the consequence could NOT START a criminal case. Maybe there is still an opportunity?
    1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 08: 59 New
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      But to come up with, as a consequence, could NOT START a criminal case, did not come up.

      Cops chopped down a stick. Shaft plan, shaft plan ...
      1. Grandfather Crimea 6 February 2020 09: 22 New
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        Everything should have stopped in pre-trial proceedings. And so it turns out that the court passed, a measure of restraint was elected, and the examination is not ready. If the examination arrived in court, then everything would be all right. It's a pity the man. But normal people will understand, and if there is a verdict of not guilty, then sneeze at the tolerasts. We are not Europe. And the fagot point was not iron ..... I realized that again I have to crow and a little drop came.
        1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 09: 25 New
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          Quote: Grandfather Crimea
          Everything should have stopped in pre-trial proceedings.

          Yes, they would write that this bugger himself fell, and hit his head on the asphalt, and all this did not last long. Herney engaged.
          1. New Year day 6 February 2020 09: 29 New
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            ... and hit the asphalt head

            or "mycardial infarction"! It’s not connected with a fight, there is no causal connection and there is no business
            1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 09: 35 New
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              no causal relationship and no case

              They informed the mentov of the trauma, and they are happy to try. There is a killer, he does not deny guilt, they increased the percentage of disclosure, the judge is trying, the lawyer is also in charge ...
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 February 2020 09: 36 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        But to come up with, as a consequence, could NOT START a criminal case, did not come up.

        Cops chopped down a stick. Shaft plan, shaft plan ...

        Vladimir stick is not a "mentor", but an investigative committee! So, I think the officers of the internal affairs bodies have nothing to do with it, and I’m sure that “by taking such a stick” you can become “not a handshake” among your own!
        Regards, Kote!
        1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 09: 38 New
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          I’m sure that “taking such a stick” can become a “non-handshake” among your own!

          Are you fighting the trackers? laughing Do you work on earth, as I understand it?
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 February 2020 10: 00 New
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            Vladimir, police are not involved in identifying common crime crimes - this is a fact. So I’m ready to believe in a traffic police officer making “sticks” on administrative offenses, but in an opera like that ...... fire me! I’m afraid that if the accused hadn’t called for an ambulance, the arriving PPPP detachment or district police officer would have corrupted him from the materials. Territories, especially Bashkir, they are, hanging more, hanging less, but Allah will count a good deed.
            In the wake of the RF IC, they are doing their job. I think that if the circumstances described in the article are true, then I assume that without pleasure!
            Yours!
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              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              but in an opera like that ... fire!

              Opera is the most adequate of your brother.
            2. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 11: 07 New
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              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              So I’m ready to believe in a traffic police officer making “sticks” on administrative violations

              Two years ago, under a degree, I sat down on a bench to rest. DPS rushed over, shove me a completely empty paper, and demand to sign. In general, I sent them to the left, they called Comrade Major, he began to communicate with me. And these depesesniki pocketed my butterfly knife ... crying
        2. Tank hard 6 February 2020 09: 55 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          I’m sure that “taking such a stick” can become a “non-handshake” among your own!

          It would be nice to be so. hi
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        Do not write nonsense.
    2. Orkraider 6 February 2020 10: 12 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      A conflict ... But still there is a fact of a fight and death ... How to "write it off"? Well, not for suicide? Honestly, I myself would have done the same thing in the place of a man ... And in the same way I would have "sat down" ... But I didn’t come up with how the consequence could NOT START a criminal case. Maybe there is still an opportunity?

      hi
      You can justify by beating article 125 of the Criminal Code. The Criminal Code provides for the imposition of punishment not only for direct damage (theft, murder), but also for leaving in danger. It involves inaction when a person knows about the danger to another person. The guilty act is also the failure to provide assistance to the child who needs it. So he did))
  • Van 16 6 February 2020 08: 55 New
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    For good, it would be necessary to reward him for the prevention of crime.
    1. Lamata 6 February 2020 09: 12 New
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      In such cases, the cops, ck, the prosecutor's office shows an amazing legitimacy and is hard-headed. Doing the letter of the law.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 February 2020 10: 08 New
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        Quote: Lamata
        In such cases, the cops, ck, the prosecutor's office shows an amazing legitimacy and is hard-headed. Doing the letter of the law.

        Where did you get this? And where are the "cops"? The jurisdiction of the RF IC, I think that the suspect saw the police only on the day of detention and will see it at the hearing.
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          I generally say about the system of work of law enforcement agencies.
  • Sayan 6 February 2020 08: 56 New
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    Oh, damn it, I’m not the president, I would give him the Order of Merit to the Fatherland - it’s less scum on earth!
  • Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 08: 56 New
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    At the moment, more than 77 thousand people have signed it.

    Where to sign?
    1. major071 6 February 2020 09: 04 New
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      The word "petition" in the text of the news is highlighted in red. Click on it and follow the link. hi
      1. Mordvin 3 6 February 2020 09: 08 New
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        Quote: major071
        The word "petition" in the text of the news is highlighted in red. Click on it and follow the link.

        Thank. Drove, signed.
        1. Tank hard 6 February 2020 09: 31 New
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          Thank. Drove, signed.

          I also participated. Such People like Sankin, the last frontier of our country. hi
  • Azazelo 6 February 2020 09: 00 New
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    Well, as Kochergin said: "If you are really a Russian person and live in Russia, you will definitely sit down ..."
  • Svarog51 6 February 2020 09: 01 New
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    A week has passed since January 30, is there really no conclusion from the pathologist?
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      It would be necessary to adhere to the anatomist, or maybe there is some kind of chip here. Let's see.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 February 2020 09: 37 New
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      Everything can be!
    3. hohkn 6 February 2020 19: 12 New
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      This business is not fast. One histology, how much time does it take ... The preliminary results could be voiced by a tracker, but usually it happens on paper after a month.
      1. Svarog51 6 February 2020 19: 24 New
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        Konstantin hi Well, there is no poisoning, banal scuffle. Heart attack - if the pedophile realized that he was threatened. He’s over 50, life in prison is not “sugar,” he could also “glue fins” from fear of justice, but he could also know what awaits him in the zone. A lot of options. The pathologist in the know - what kind of “client” is and what to look for first.
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          Sergey, yes, how many times have there been in practice. And the corpse is not criminal, but the expert’s opinion cannot be waived for the refused. And nobody canceled the deadlines. So you jump.
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            Konstantin, sorry for the question, do you relate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs? I’m a bit from the parallel service - the Ministry of Emergencies, I can’t know all the details, even though I’m an internal service officer. I would not want to raise the story of the "drunk boy", but you yourself understand.
            What it means to be between a rock and a hard place I know not by hearsay. I wish the investigators and experts patience and perseverance. Pressure on them from all sides will be serious. This is not an alarming thing.
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              Two years already retired. Previously, he served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, until 1993 he served in the criminal investigation department, and ended his service in the Russian Guard.
              By the way, I didn’t understand what the cons were slapped for? Mine is definitely not there.
              Quote: Svarog51
              The pathologist in the know - what kind of “client” is and what to look for in the first place.

              The pathologist will not go to a deal with the law. It is too easy to become an accused from an expert. He also signs in the conclusion that he had been warned of criminal liability for the knowingly false expert opinion (Article 307 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
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                It turns out we are colleagues good
                By the way, I didn’t understand what the cons were slapped for? Mine is definitely not there.

                Do not pay attention, they do not surprise me and do not bother me.
                The pathologist will not go to a deal with the law.

                This is understandable, I meant the term. Are there really any difficulties in determining the cause of death? The circumstances are known, like delays should not occur?
                1. hohkn 8 February 2020 13: 55 New
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                  Until the full study passes, the pathologist will not give a conclusion. Previously, the investigator can verbally voice (if personal contact is established), and so until a full investigation, no conclusions are made.
                  There are enough subtleties. It still depends on the questions asked in the decision to conduct the EE. There is a question: could death come from falling from a height of one's own growth? Accordingly, there will be an answer to it. There is no such question, and there will be no answer to it. Well, to the question: What is the cause of death? (without specifying questions) The answer may be this: (for example) a combined head injury with damage ... (something there), but there will be no connection with the possibility of receiving this particular injury when falling from a height of one's own height.
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                    There was a similar case when in the courtyards the driver and the tenant had a fight. The guy fell from a blow and hit his head on the curb. In YouTube there is a vidyuha about this, but I don’t remember how it ended up there. Here, of course, other circumstances of the conflict, and the victim does not cause sympathy. Hope common sense prevails in sentencing.
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  • KAVBER 6 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    The question is difficult, the fellow repulsed the fellows, to reward, kill a man, it’s bad, to put him in prison. There is a pure exaggeration of self-defense and lynching, an ameliorating condition of the affection, but the same is so-so. The little girl had to sit for life after the first relapse, and not to walk free. But no one has the right to kill another person. I overdo it in righteous anger, overdo it, now I have to answer.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 February 2020 09: 47 New
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      Let the court decide! When deciding the circumstances of the case, guided by five hundred characters of the article, it is premature to draw conclusions.
      For example, a naive question, why did Mr. "pedophile" run out into the street? The cause-effect relationship of causing bodily harm and death is also doubtful. By the way, there is no expert opinion.
      I do not exclude that the deceased tried to restrict the freedom of minors repeatedly, threatened them and their counsel, etc.
      By the way, it's too early to think about it!
  • New Year day 6 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    Why is it necessary to protect the whole world with a person who has done what the state should have done, albeit not in this way?
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      Why is it necessary to protect the whole world with a person who has done what the state should have done, albeit not in this way?


      It seems like an adult man and your comments are often worthy of respect, but this shortsightedness of the issue is off the scale. Today pedophiles are subject to lynching ... And tomorrow?
      1. New Year day 6 February 2020 09: 19 New
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        Today pedophiles are subject to lynching ...

        why is he free? Do you have children?
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          And there are children. And I understand that this is the most correct question
          why is he free?

          But there are a number of questions:
          What is the term of the last punishment, is the court too small for him to count? How was released from mls on parole or on departure? How are things with the OOF in whose territory the pedophile lived?
          Questions only multiply, but we don’t know the answers.
          1. New Year day 6 February 2020 09: 37 New
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            What is the last sentence

            understand pedophilia - DO NOT HEAL! He will die a pedophile! And how many kids will they send to the other world?
      2. Dmitry V. 6 February 2020 09: 26 New
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        Quote: Alex2048
        It seems like an adult man and your comments are often worthy of respect, but this shortsightedness of the issue is off the scale. Today pedophiles are subject to lynching ... And tomorrow?


        The state too often - "failed ..."
      3. g1washntwn 6 February 2020 12: 11 New
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        Today pedophiles are subject to lynching ... And tomorrow?

        And tomorrow, society will be composed largely of law-abiding citizens. The current system of punishment with its liberal methods does not contribute to the purification of society from asocial and overtly criminal elements. At least the repeat offenders, at least the untouchables. If the State is not able to purify the Society, then its concern for the purity of the Society is fiction and brainwave.
        Familiar people are also forced to control their children from and to because the entire district is aware of the return from places not so remote of the same “re-educated” rapist. Think of the great trust in law enforcement?
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        I am only confused by the lack of calls for justice and words of gratitude from adolescents and their parents? Everyone writes petitions, rallies, and those who should be in the forefront are silent.
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      Why is it necessary to protect the whole world with a person who has done what the state should have done, albeit not in this way

      It also infuriates.
    3. Svarog51 6 February 2020 19: 35 New
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      He was at the crime scene before law enforcement. Protected minors from violence. Disarmed the rapist. According to the law, he did not have such rights as the police, and he simply could not know about these rights. He went with his bare hands against the ax. Well, I just don’t know what he violated? You, as a doctor, to whom will you issue a diagnosis of the patient?
  • Dimy4 6 February 2020 09: 07 New
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    No wonder the law in such cases is ALWAYS on the side of the criminal! A criminal can’t be prevented from committing a crime. Well, then you can only call the police.
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      Quote: Dimy4
      No wonder the law in such cases is ALWAYS on the side of the criminal! A criminal can’t be prevented from committing a crime. Well, then you can only call the police.

      I remember that in our school textbook “Fundamentals of State and Law” a clear example was given: a party is held at the school, a hooligan comes in and starts to interfere with the event ... A fight breaks out, hooligans run ... one of the schoolchildren hits with his camera on the head of the insolent, from which that died ... So, in the textbook it was said that the court did not rely on the schoolboy: he just stopped the hooligan actions of the offender !!!
      If such a point of view of the law was already with the scoop, then what prevents it from being applied today?

      And Sankin - a monument in life must be put !!!
  • Glory1974 6 February 2020 09: 07 New
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    Vladimir pleaded guilty in court. He regrets having killed a man

    Unfortunately, honest people often honestly communicate with law enforcement agencies, thereby worsening their position in court.
    It was impossible to confess to the murder of this scum. It was necessary to refer to the fact that I do not remember, was in a state of passion, there was no purpose to kill, I was defending myself from the pedophile, etc.
    As in the case of a fight between fighter-boxer Mirzoev and a guy in Moscow. The court verdict, a citizen falling after a blow to the jaw, hit his head on the asphalt and died, which means Mirzoev is not to blame. In general, the asphalt is to blame.
    This is our clumsy justice
  • olhon 6 February 2020 09: 07 New
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    Sadness. But what does VO have to do with it?
    1. Livonetc 6 February 2020 09: 25 New
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      There are topics about politics and economics.
      You can of course hard-cut off topics that are not directly related to the military field.
      However, the forum is likely to become scarce.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 February 2020 10: 43 New
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      Despite the fact that it is necessary to raise the information wave, I would not have known about the petition, and would not have signed it if it had not been for the publication on
  • Ka-52 6 February 2020 09: 13 New
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    Currently, a criminal case has been instituted against Vladimir Sankin under Part 4 of Art. 111 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Deliberate infliction of grievous bodily harm, resulting in the death of the victim by negligence." The sanction of article provides 15 years of imprisonment.

    another icteric headline. Subjectively, we understand that a pedophile is worthy of death. Objectively, we understand that:
    1. We live in a legal country, where the punishment is determined by the court, and not lynching.
    2. There is a corpse, then there will be a criminal case under art. 105 or st. 111. If some people think otherwise, they are dear to Somalia, where concepts rule, not the Criminal Code.
    3. If there is a criminal case, it is the court that decides on the basis of all the facts established during the preliminary investigation whether the accused is guilty or not guilty. To write in advance that the poor man was allegedly already rotten on the bunks - the lot of the gorlopans and the ignoramus.
    4. If the guilt of the accused of murder is proven, the judge will decide on criminal punishment based on the gravity of the crime committed by the accused. And not on the basis of whether the victim deserves to die or not. Mitigating circumstances are possible and in such cases the court most often takes them into account.
    Therefore, do not stir up the water ahead of time and go on about the icteric journalists.
    1. sergo1914 6 February 2020 09: 26 New
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      Quote: Ka-52
      1. We live in a legal country where punishment is determined by the court, not lynching.


      Didn't this phrase seem strange to you?
      1. Ka-52 6 February 2020 10: 42 New
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        Didn't this phrase seem strange to you?

        that is, you believe that the criminal code in the Russian Federation is not valid. Ok, give a specific personal example when you independently determined on the basis of subjective assessments the guilt of another citizen (who allegedly caused damage to you), independently pronounced the verdict and carried it out. Let's only without blablabla
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          Quote: Ka-52
          Didn't this phrase seem strange to you?

          that is, you believe that the criminal code in the Russian Federation is not valid. Ok, give a specific personal example when you independently determined on the basis of subjective assessments the guilt of another citizen (who allegedly caused damage to you), independently pronounced the verdict and carried it out. Let's only without blablabla



          Really. Let's go without a blablabla. A wagon of cases in the country of avoiding liability of persons related to power structures. Those who died under the wheels of a car of the stoned son and daughters are not blablab? Has someone sat down? "Drunk children" under the wheels of the "skins" blablabla? “Golden” judges blablabla? You do not see the real world at all?
          Codex, of course. Selectively. By unprotected segments of the population.
          1. Ka-52 6 February 2020 13: 55 New
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            Those who died under the wheels of a car of a stoned son and daughters were not blablab

            that is, you moved the arrows from yourself. Good.
            Codex, of course. Selectively. By unprotected segments of the population.

            do you really think so? Are you naive or not so educated? The penal code itself is not valid. Neither selectively nor otherwise. It is not targeted at strata of the population nor their nationality or religion. There are no articles in the Criminal Code or the Civil Code that citizens with income less than the subsistence minimum can solder the article, but with income from a million dollars - no. If you don’t bring me an article from the Criminal Code, which describes that some social group of the population is allowed (or vice versa is not allowed) to commit any acts, then I will consider you a liar.
            Any rule of law is interpreted and applied by a public authority called the court. More specifically, a judge considering a civil, criminal or administrative case in a procedural manner. It is the judge who determines the guilt of the defendant, the applicability of a certain article of the Criminal Code, the Civil Code or the Code of Administrative Offenses, the degree of his guilt and the amount of punishment within the limits of this article. And the judge’s actions can be subjective, they can be influenced by anything: a bribe, a call from the authorities, a professional mistake or a personal attitude. To this, of course, there are procedures for the consideration of decisions in the courts of higher instances, but this is a different song.
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              Quote: Ka-52
              Are you naive or not so educated?


              I live in this country.

              . If you don’t bring me an article from the Criminal Code, which describes that some social group of the population is allowed (or vice versa is not allowed) to commit any acts, then I will consider you a liar.



              In the Criminal Code this is not. From that reality is even worse and more cynical. The group, which is modestly called "friends", is generally beyond jurisdiction. They are beyond the scope of any laws. And do not hesitate to demonstrate it. Us. Cattle. Servants. If you do not understand this, I am sorry for you.
    2. Varyag71 6 February 2020 10: 21 New
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      and now imagine such a situation has occurred in Chechnya, Dagestan. The matter will not even reach the court. And the person will also be awarded.
    3. ghby 6 February 2020 11: 06 New
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      Quote: Ka-52
      There is a corpse, then there will be a criminal case under art. 105 or st. 111. If some people think otherwise, they are dear to Somalia, where concepts rule, not the Criminal Code.

      Let me disagree with you. You still forgot to indicate all the other articles located between them from 105 to 111. Well, not always a criminal case with a corpse ends in a guilty verdict. But it is very, very rare.
      According to the circumstances, if the message of one member of the forum that the pedophile was simply beaten, but he didn’t resist, just lay there, it’s true that I think the beater will be convicted of what article the question is. If death is not in a causal relationship with the beatings then this is not a murder and nuances are possible.
      There was a case in practice when such a non-man was given to the victim’s father for use, but he watched so that he would not be crippled, the man drove into the pre-trial detention center without the help of the corporal))) and this was not treated in prison, the crime was committed in my opinion within a month after his release from places of imprisonment for a similar crime. P.S. pointing out a case from practice is entirely my fiction.
      1. Ka-52 6 February 2020 13: 44 New
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        Let me disagree with you. you still forgot to specify all other articles located between them from 105 to 111

        I was not going to write the entire Criminal Code above. And he cited the most frequently used articles.
        If death is not in a causal relationship with the beatings then this is not a murder and nuances are possible.

        first, the court considers the circumstances of the incident: the method of applying the TTP, the time of application, the time of death, and the cause of death (based on the results of the SME). It also considers the motive and nature of the crime - whether it was committed in a socially dangerous way, whether the suspect was in a state of deep shock, etc.
        Of course, a forensic medical examination will show how much there is or is no connection between the beatings and the death of the victim. If he suddenly died from the coronovirus 2019-nCoV (it coincided suddenly by accident), then this is one thing. And if he gave the oak tree from the rupture of the spleen - this is another matter.
        ps minusers, from your stupid minuses I personally will not change the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And the court will not become more humane. And I'm not the judge who issued the arrest warrant for Sankin.
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          First, the court considers the circumstances of the incident:

          Before the trial, the circumstances are examined by the investigator and the prosecutor. Which essentially make a decision on guilt. There are very few acquittals. And yes, the courts are on the side of the prosecutor’s office and are essentially indictment, not independent.
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    KCA 6 February 2020 09: 13 New
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    The author of the article considers readers IN idiots?
    1. Causing death by negligence -
    the applicable sentence is correctional labor for a term of up to two years, or restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years, or forced labor for a term of up to two years, or imprisonment for the same term.
    (in the edition of the Federal Law from 07.12.2011 N 420-FZ)
    Fifteen can be soldered only for the deliberate murder of a policeman, or for the murder of two or more people
    1. GenNick 6 February 2020 09: 26 New
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      I support !, Sankin didn’t kill anyone. He tapped a tambourine?
      Did you pass the living doctors? - passed! but he cooled down from shame ... In life, this does not happen.
      1. Ka-52 6 February 2020 10: 44 New
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        Did you pass the living doctors? - passed! but he cooled down from shame ... In life, this does not happen.

        in life this is called causing grievous bodily harm, which resulted in the death of the victim (Article 111,4). Imagine that someone will also knock you on a tambourine, you will be bent in an ambulance, and the accused will defer "in life and it doesn’t happen."
        1. Andrey VOV 6 February 2020 12: 59 New
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          111 is intentional !!!! Was Sankin intent to kill him? having proved intent, then you can use a deliberate article, and if the conclusion of SME does not give a direct relationship between strokes and heart attack, and given the three walks of a ghoul, health is not very strong there, then they will give a suspended sentence, for example, for hooliganism .. and that's it .. the most universal article that in the days of the ussr that now
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            111 is intentional !!!! Was Sankin intent to kill him? having proved intent, then you can use a deliberate article, and if the conclusion of SME does not give a direct relationship between strokes and heart attack, and given the three walks of a ghoul, health is not very strong there, then they will give a suspended sentence, for example, for hooliganism .. and that's it .. the most universal article that in the days of the ussr that now

            that's it. The court must qualify the act, not journalists and commentators greedy for sensations.
            1. Andrey VOV 6 February 2020 14: 24 New
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              The primary qualification is given by the investigator ... then, during the investigation and identifying everyone and everything, he will finally bring charges .. this could be an article on which they were excited or, for example, less severe .... in court, the judge can also leave the previous qualification and make it the verdict, or change .... in practice, when in doubt and there is something like that and the other .. that the investigator is safe and gives harder ... if that the court reduces
        2. GenNick 6 February 2020 13: 00 New
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          Everything happens in life, as in the Criminal Code ...
          He didn’t kill him? (I.e., he didn’t say, I will kill you) - he didn’t.
          Not cool on the lawn? - No, not on the lawn.
          Did Sankin leave him to die? - No, he didn’t, but called an ambulance
          The trouble is that he was drunk, but ... his parents raised him correctly ...
  • Chaldon48 6 February 2020 09: 14 New
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    There are thousands of such cases in Russian judicial practice, I think. This is one of the reasons why non-villains think they can act decisively.
  • Livonetc 6 February 2020 09: 21 New
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    "A fight ensued."
    И
    "Deliberate infliction of grievous bodily harm."
    It is extremely difficult to prove such an intention.
    For this there must be documentary (video) evidence and testimony.
    It should, for example, be seen how he beats a citizen who apparently did not resist him.
    And in addition, with witnesses, he threatens death or injury.
    In general, the excess of necessary self-defense in a fight is hypothetically possible, but not intentional and does not last 15 years.
    And if you prove the actions in a state of passion, and even in a jury trial, then an acquittal or probation is probable.
    1. Andrey Shch 6 February 2020 09: 37 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      "A fight ensued."
      И
      "Deliberate infliction of grievous bodily harm."
      It is extremely difficult to prove such an intention.
      For this there must be documentary (video) evidence and testimony.
      It should, for example, be seen how he beats a citizen who apparently did not resist him.
      And in addition, with witnesses, he threatens death or injury.
      the

      Then one comrade already wrote that there were a bunch of witnesses, that they had barely dragged them away, that he had not resisted during the beating.
      1. Livonetc 6 February 2020 09: 42 New
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        I’m going to the subway, I didn’t see much, I missed it.
        In this case.
        Barely dragged away - indirect evidence of being in a state of affect.
        Again not intentional.
        Rest on the state of affect.
        Demand a jury trial.
        There is the prospect of a significantly less severe sentence in such circumstances.
        1. Andrey Shch 6 February 2020 09: 57 New
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          Quote: Livonetc
          I’m going to the subway, I didn’t see much, I missed it.
          In this case.
          Barely dragged away - indirect evidence of being in a state of affect.
          Again not intentional.
          Rest on the state of affect.
          Demand a jury trial.
          There is the prospect of a significantly less severe sentence in such circumstances.

          I agree with you, Mr. Good, I agree. I don’t understand the passive position of a lawyer who relies only on the conclusion of a forensic expert. It is necessary to work in the direction of affect, to focus the attention of the investigator, to look for appropriate witnesses, to elicit details of Sankin's behavior from them, which will indicate affect. However, maybe such work is being carried out, it’s just that the author of the article is not in the know, there are some articles here that are generally rumored concocted.
          1. Andrey VOV 6 February 2020 13: 00 New
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            The state of affect is determined by forensic psychiatric examination ... in cases of murder and grievous bodily harm, it is always assigned, it’s just that nobody will respond to the words that I don’t remember anything
            1. Andrey Shch 7 February 2020 08: 03 New
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              The state of affect is determined by forensic psychiatric examination ... in cases of murder and grievous bodily harm, it is always assigned, it’s just that nobody will respond to the words that I don’t remember anything

              Yes, I know that. Only psychiatrists (psychologists), in addition to interviewing the culprit (his observation), are required to work with documents in a criminal case. They will not give any conclusion without action, even if this pretzel is determined to be “inpatient”. And in this sense, the work of a lawyer in collecting documents is very important, that is, what I wrote above.
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                The fact that the materials is a matter of course, the matter is different, whether the investigator or expert will take them, the documents of the lawyer, to be considered and attached to the case ... and if the lawyer makes an independent, the judge can accept or not accept them, here is the human factor
  • Guru 6 February 2020 09: 23 New
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    We are all fathers. If he is still imprisoned, this is a very negative trend. Remember how the whole VO vigorously discussed the case from Germany, when a woman was raped, and her husband stood nearby and cried. I’m talking about this trend.
  • Dmitry V. 6 February 2020 09: 23 New
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    Don’t spare Vladimir - you did everything right!
  • Guards turn 6 February 2020 09: 24 New
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    Vladimir now needs to have patience, they will justify him in any way for normal people who have daughters, sons, he did the right thing 100%. It may not be from this opera, but still.
    “They acted within the law”
    The TFR closed the case of the Cossacks who killed two people during the massacre in the Gypsy village. As a source in law enforcement agencies told Znak.com, the case opened under Article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Murder” and article 108 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Murder committed when exceeding the necessary limits defense. " “The investigation established that Shishov and Dutov acted within the law. First, the case under the article “Murder” was terminated, later the investigation showed that they did not exceed the permissible limits of defense ”,
  • Zoer 6 February 2020 09: 25 New
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    You need to reward the guy. And these bastards will be judged. Well, yes, we only give “astronauts” with democrats for beatings of the population in the form of apartments.
  • Sotskiy 6 February 2020 09: 26 New
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    Three times convicted for similar crimes, the 54-year-old pedophile Vladimir Zaitsev lured two underage boys into his apartment ....

    Who knows, now there are district police officers who should follow such asocial elements or have they been optimized as a class?
    Currently, a criminal case has been instituted against Vladimir Sankin under Part 4 of Art. 111 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Deliberate infliction of grievous bodily harm, resulting in the death of the victim by negligence."

    Sankin, well done, acted like a real person and not an amoeba, to whom all the hell would - just not to touch them.
    It was necessary for him not to drag this fagot into the street, but in the same place, in his apartment, to fuck him. You see, and the case would be classified as self-defense in the protection of minors.
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      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Who knows, now there are district officers

      Gee-gee ... Do you know your district officer? Last time I saw it in the 80s, when a neighbor knocked at the top of his wife.
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        Gee-gee ... Do you know your district officer? Last time I saw it in the 80s,

        lol Therefore, I ask that the situation is similar to yours.
      2. Lamata 6 February 2020 13: 12 New
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        YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!! in 2018 at the entrance, a floor below my apartment b. Wives, a corpse, not a crime building in the apartment, lay in July (Rostov.v0-on-Don) for 5 days, the district policeman forgot about it, there were no indications, they had to use their hired guards. the current then tickled
  • olegfbi 6 February 2020 09: 27 New
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    The Ufa citizen faces up to 15 years of protection for children and the murder of a pedophile

    This is really a HUGE problem and not only in this situation.
    If you look a little more broadly, it turns out that the person who spoke out for the defense, most often he himself will be a defendant in an administrative and / or criminal case. This also applies to cases of brawl in airplanes, public places and everywhere!
    Modern law enforcement practice, and the law will unambiguously (in the vast majority of cases) will qualify any violent actions against a brawler as a separate offense and / or crime. And if, God forbid, the rowdy dies from your blow, then the prison ...
    The fact that a rowdy, a bully, a pedophile died and / or suffered from your actions ... most often is not taken into account (almost) by the investigation. Human actions to prevent ... qualify separately ...
    So it turns out that people are really afraid to intervene, realistically and reasonably fearing negative consequences for themselves personally, and not from the actions of the "criminal", and then from the "native" prosecutor’s office ...
    Such a situation leads to the decay of society, and the authorities do not think at all ... am
    Of course there are PEOPLE, like Vladimir Sankin, but this is rather the exception and there are fewer and fewer people in our society.
    Something like this.
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    The emgo medal "For Courage" must be awarded, but they must be judged !!! Where is Russia heading ...
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      Quote: sagitch
      The emgo medal "For Courage" must be awarded, but they must be judged !!! Where is Russia heading ...

      I can’t even imagine what a precipice. It doesn’t happen in Russia. all wrong. that's all. what is the matter with us changed the genome?
    2. Sotskiy 6 February 2020 10: 00 New
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      His medal "For Courage" must be awarded, and they judge !!! Where is Russia heading ...

      In Europe .... built in, even with a carcass or a scarecrow. Tolerance is taught to pedophiles through laws in the Criminal Code.
  • Alexander X 6 February 2020 09: 44 New
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    Well, if you did not die immediately from the beatings, then this is not Art.105, but Art.111, Part 4. Although this is not sugar. Even if he died of a heart attack, then article 111 still shines, unfortunately.
    I worry for Vladimir with all my heart. He committed a heroic act, protecting children. He was not afraid of the freak and rebuffed him. I hope that a competent lawyer (of which there are a few among the sea of ​​scammers) will prove that Vladimir took steps to prevent crime and then carried out self-defense against the freak who threatened him with an ax. I really hope (although I do not believe it) that the investigation will find evidence of just such a version, and the court will side with the hero.
    I also want to note that THREE (three times, Karl !!!) convicted of pedophilia at large, he is healthy and again tried to seduce children. And the law on chemical castration did not pass !!!
    I signed the petition. And for the grandson, for the daughter, for the wife, I would have killed without hesitation ... I don’t give a damn about the term ...
    1. sagitch 6 February 2020 09: 54 New
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      Chemical castration, it lasts only three months. And the one to whom she was appointed should voluntarily come to her every three months. It’s ridiculous. I would like to see the statistics, did anyone come to her voluntarily, again?
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      I worry for Vladimir with all my heart. He committed a heroic act, protecting children. He was not afraid of the freak and rebuffed him.

      namely, not many “mollusks” will rush to “help” now .. the people have become not Soviet, all strangers to each other.
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    Sankin, of course, on the good side. But you need to drink less! It is known that Pankin was drunk, probably due to the fact that he “went too far” by striking, leading to Zaitsev’s death. And the state of intoxication is an aggravating circumstance that excludes action in a state of affect ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 February 2020 10: 39 New
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      And what, a person has no right to drink? How did he know that he would later save the children?
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        And what, a person has no right to drink

        You are a living embodiment of what smart people call the term Legal Nihilism. Is it called a drink?. The man was drunk to a state of insanity, as it were.
        https://gtrk.tv/novosti/163931-poslednie-minuty-zhizni-izbitogo-pedofila-ufe-snyali-video-eksklyuziv-vestey
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          I would say, the embodiment of which you are, but censorship will not pass. Yes, if he was drunk as a Tatar saber, is that a violation of the law? Or did he have to ask a pedophile to wait until he sobered up?
          The peasant had no choice, it was necessary to save the children, not of his own free will, he, drunk, climbed into the conflict, but because of emergency. Accordingly, his intoxication as an aggravating circumstance can only be considered .... You
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            There is no logic, only emotions. A normal person at the sight of a dead drunk person who is unable to associate two sane words - at least with some caution will relate to the assessment of the motives of his actions. And he will not accept the version put forward by him and his lawyer. I won’t be surprised if these two comrades drank together before the fight. Deadly drunk people's avengers should alert any rational person. Wait at least for the investigating authorities to express their version of what happened
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 February 2020 18: 13 New
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              Quote: Liam
              No logic, only emotions

              Quite the contrary - no emotions, solid logic.
              Quote: Liam
              A normal person at the sight of a dead drunk person who is unable to associate two sane words - at least with some caution he will relate to the assessment of the motives of his actions

              That is, your link, in which it is explicitly stated that Zaitsev lured two teenagers home, is not an argument for you. The initiation of a criminal case against Zaitsev - too. And you tell me about logic?
              Quote: Liam
              I won’t be surprised if these two comrades drank together before the fight

              Yeah. And then two minors came in leather shorts with high heels and kaaak, let these two comrades be lecherously persuaded to group sex ... I have no doubt that such an interpretation of events will not surprise you at all. You may be surprised that a drunk climbed to save two children - wow, that’s amazing for you.
              Quote: Liam
              Wait at least for the investigating authorities to express their version of what happened.

              I’ll tell you one story from my life. I was a student, I lived with my parents at that time and once, leaving the apartment I went downstairs, and there ... In general, a young guy, about my peer, a neighbor from below, hanged himself. But somehow it was not too successful when the mother came, was still alive, albeit with a broken trachea.
              Well, I look at him - he dies, suffocates. What to do - I know, a tracheotomy (an incision in the throat, just below the damaged area, and a duct there), a simple operation (I'm an economist, but they explained to us on the basis of medical knowledge). He took a knife, sharpened it, calcined the blade (there was no alcohol for disinfection), it was necessary to cut it - and suddenly my hands shook, and it shook everything. It’s impossible, so I’ll open the carotid artery instead of a tracheotomy. He put down the knife, seemed to calm down, take it - again shook. It turns out that you need to step over something in yourself in order to cut another person with a knife (it’s much easier, by the way, to cut the skin there where on a campaign if suppuration or something else). And he looks at me with sad eyes, turns blue and gurgles with the remnants of his throat.
              In general, the situation - you can’t imagine worse. A young guy is dying in my arms, I know how to help him, but I can’t. A shame. I gathered my strength, for the third time I take the knife, I need to cut it, and that's it, got ready - and here, to my happiness, the ambulance arrived, finally.
              So, there the guys are pros, they quickly made a tracheotomy. But, while I was helping his orderlies to drag down, from the 8th floor, the doctor had just not sent me a cradle, scolded me all.
              And the meaning of his abuse was that I should have let the gallows die and not climb with my knowledge. Because, in his words, even with a correctly made tracheotomy, he could die from 500 reasons unrelated to it. But if I did this tracheotomy, and he died, then I would solder the provision of unqualified medical care and causing death by negligence. And I would get a criminal record and a term, and hardly probation.
              The doctor made a very simple conclusion - I am a minor fool, I have to think about my life, but this one whom I wanted to save, he had already made his choice.
              And now I try on this situation on myself today. What should I do if this happens to me again? Tracheotomy, risking the future of my three children? Or to step aside, let the pier die, not my business?
              In general, I would like to:
              a) Young people received such education that their hands would not shake if something really important was to be done.
              b) The laws of my country supported in every possible way the one who is trying to save human life, health and dignity, and did not look for a way to incarcerate in places not so distant on a formal basis
              c) People with your approach to the cannon shot were not allowed into legislative activity.
              Something like that:)))
              1. Liam 6 February 2020 19: 28 New
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                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                no emotions, solid logic.

                Yeah.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                That is your link

                My link is a video. What would you at least be aware of in what real state this "drunk" person was. The rest there is the same retelling of the version of the lawyer. Which at the moment is the only one, because the other side is dead.
                The only objective reality on the video is an agonizing person on the street with a broken head and a second dead drunk citizen handcuffed in the snow, who is completely inadequate.
                A reasonable person who does not “look at the book, I see a fig”, when watching this video with his own eyes and his head, and not with suggestions and emotions, will make several logical conclusions.
                For example, that the murder was committed by a person in a very advanced state of intoxication, bordering on insanity. From which it is very difficult to expect a sane assessment of the situation and a sane reaction to it.
                Another reasonable person will conclude that the murder was committed on the street, that is, at the time of the murder no one had to be saved.
                Another reasonable person will hear among the incoherent phrases of a drunken subject such words: "He is a pedophile, ask the neighbors."
                And a reasonable person will immediately have a suspicion - why should neighbors ask about it, and not from direct victims of harassment, namely from two teenagers ... Perhaps because a drunken citizen heard this from neighbors, and not from those saved by him ( according to him) teenagers? Did he even see these teenagers or did the neighbors tell him?
                A reasonable person will have such a question. Why is there a multitude of just anger and calls to save the people's avenger - the voices of those who should be in the front row in this noble cause are not heard, namely the words of gratitude and solidarity of the adolescents themselves, their parents and relatives ?. I glanced through the Internet, there weren’t any expressions from them. Correct me if I missed their interviews, appeals, thanks to the savior, etc.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                I’ll tell you one story from my life

                I worked as an investigator for 10 years. And I can tell various stories. From the most intelligent and noble to the most stupid and unworthy types of people’s behavior in different situations.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 February 2020 20: 24 New
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                  Quote: Liam
                  The only objective reality on the video is an agonizing person on the street with a broken head and a second dead drunk citizen handcuffed in the snow, who is completely inadequate.

                  You "forgot" the testimonies of two teenagers.
                  Quote: Liam
                  And a reasonable person will immediately have a suspicion - why is it necessary to ask neighbors about this,

                  Because teenagers called for help, and the neighbors probably heard it :)))
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                  Even a reasonable person will have such a question. Why is there a multitude of just anger and calls to save the people's avenger - the voices of those who should be in the front row in this noble cause are not heard, namely the words of gratitude and solidarity of the teenagers themselves

                  And who said that they are not heard? But generally speaking, the guys survived that shock, so throwing calls all over the country may not be able to. Or maybe they are, we just don’t see these petitions, and they hang somewhere on the city’s Ufa sites, or in social networks.
                  1. Liam 6 February 2020 20: 37 New
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                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    You "forgot" the testimony of two teenagers

                    Where can I get to know them?
                    Do not change objective reality with your speculation.
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    And who said that they are not heard?

                    It will not be difficult for you to find them ... if they are.
                    The story told by the lawyer is full of inconsistencies and outright absurdities, even from a third-party view. And you (and thousands of other signatories), from noble motives, become a hostage to his manipulations. He has the task of easing the fate of his client, whom the article for murder shines. This is his work, for which money gets
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                  Please describe how you see the situation.
  • Alexander X 6 February 2020 10: 07 New
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    Sankin, of course, on the good side. But you need to drink less! Pankin is known to be drunk

    "Drinking" in Russia is not prohibited. And about a 100 gram fighter before the attack during the Second World War did not hear? No need to pull not pullable. Maybe it's better to talk about the state of affect? Which is closer to the truth.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 February 2020 10: 11 New
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    Well, already at least 77001 people. Of course, I signed up too, and this is the least that I can do for the respected Vladimir.
    I have three children. Just imagine for a second that someone could be in the place of those whom Vladimir saved ...
  • Oleg Skvortsov 6 February 2020 10: 21 New
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    Definitely - MAN! Shake your hand. Why wasn't a repeat pedophile chemically castrated? In general, such crimes need to be cut off and tomatoes right in the prison hospital. I hope Sankin is a good lawyer - he’ll get off conditional
  • Shopping Mall 6 February 2020 10: 22 New
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    From a legal point of view, everything is clear here (assuming that everything is described correctly in the article). The heading here is because
    after which he pulled Zaitsev into the street, where a fight broke out.

    According to the law, after nothing threatened the children, he had to call the police. And since he pulled it out himself, this is, as it were, no longer self-defense, and not the salvation of others, but essentially a reprisal.

    From a human point of view, you can understand him - to kill a pedophile is sacred, unfortunately, if he wanted to do it, then it had to be done in the apartment. And then justify their actions by the fact that it seemed that someone else was screaming / crying in the apartment, and the pedophile attacked with an ax, etc.

    Now, criminal liability is unlikely to be avoided if there is no medical crocheting. At best, they will give a minimum period. Well, or the political skies, attracted by public resonance, will open up - in this case, a whole herd of pedophiles can be cut, they still will not be planted ...
  • Dikson 6 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    Lord, what an ugly country we have ... THREE !!! convicted pedophile .. - at large and commits a relapse .. And the man who saved two children from him. - they are going to go to jail .. The country was remade by itself urki .. Neither the tower nor the confiscation of property ... grace ..
  • Ross xnumx 6 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    The accused himself is under house arrest; on February 3, the Kalininsky District Court of Ufa chose this sanction against him; before that, he was in a temporary detention center.

    I support (morally) both Vladimir Sankin and all who advocate in his defense.
    I still want to ask: “What the hell is a state that applies a preventive measure -“ house arrest ”to both the fighter against rapists (pedophiles) and the embezzler Vasilyeva?”
    Everything is just disgusting. It turns out that a man of honor, honest in conscience, should think ten times to grab the hand of a rapist, pedophile or just a villain, running with an ax or knife ... fool
    1. Varyag71 6 February 2020 13: 59 New
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      The Dulles Plan
  • Stalnov I.P. 6 February 2020 10: 30 New
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    Here is a confirmation of the immorality of all the authorities, Mara Baghdasaryan, a boy who has 40 traffic violations and doesn’t take any measures against them, and a person saved the children — CHILDREN are sewing an article, and this one has more than one door behind the State Duma thinks, the Federation Council lives like this with these pension reforms, healthcare reforms, let’s find out how many people died out of these transformations, mediocre, stupid and just criminal. Well done! I drove such scum in Ufa, then I went to the police, as it was called before, I waited 30 minutes when the head of the criminal investigation department would receive me, he solved the problem on his fishing, and left, not accepted.
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  • VicktorVR 6 February 2020 10: 42 New
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    a criminal case has been instituted against pedophile Zaitsev. The defendant advocates for the United Russia Human Rights Center


    It is not clear which side is EP?

  • Pastor 6 February 2020 10: 49 New
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    This is a double question. From a human, a pedophile is necessary by analogy with the Philippines, where a drug dealer can be killed by citizens. With the procedural, if the pedophile no longer held the ax in his hands and no longer resisted, and the peasant beat him with a stick, conveying anger for the boys, then this is really a crime. I am for punishing, but symbolically, conditionally, showing that the general society is unacceptable to pedophilia and homosexuality.
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  • signifera 6 February 2020 11: 08 New
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    A person needs to be awarded and thanked. And they were going to judge him. What a mess in our country, the law protects the thrice-tried pedophile. That is, he has already abused children three times! How can he even be free. One pleases. United Russia will help, but they need to pull out the rating, the case will be approved by the people, which means they will gain points, I’m sure they will let the man go. Since they transferred to house arrest, the process is going in a successful direction. When I was little, I was attacked by the same one, started to persuade, then grab and drag, I don’t know how, but I got out and ran away, I didn’t even understand what happened, I didn’t tell anyone, I just tried to forget, it was in class at 6 -7, there was no internet at all, only after a couple of decades I realized what they wanted to do with me, looking at the news. And glad I ran away. And you need to hang them in the squares, and not to heal and let go home after three attacks!
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    Only 77 signed up? Yes, justify the man and still reward for such an act! Are these prosecutors in a completely different world?
  • Dzafdet 6 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    Yes, he came specifically. Why did the ambulance and the police call? It was urgent to make legs.
  • Andrey VOV 6 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    Read the Criminal Code Article 37. Necessary defense
    According to this article, acting a guy is not a crime.

    The most slippery article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ... according to which we have units of acquittals and that, only when the noise rises .. remember when the robbers broke into the house and the owner protecting the family of all 4 of them killed to hell .. if it weren’t for noise, if it weren’t for the reaction of people, they would have planted a comrade seriously and for a long time ..... if the pedophile was on the street with an ax and at that moment he got it ... it would have been much easier, but following the article in the street he was without him .. then exceeding the limits ... initiated a case under a deliberate article .. so you need to cut down the police stick, then the investigator has the right to retrain the charge to another, the court can do the same, the main thing is that the boys should not refuse and a good lawyer was
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      I think it is necessary to improve legislation and practice here.

      First of all, it is unclear by what specific signs the investigator should find out whether the necessary defense was or not. Paragraphs of Article 37 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation should be clarified by an exhaustive list of features, the presence of at least one of which should exclude criminal prosecution.
  • Lord of the Sith 6 February 2020 12: 48 New
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    Oh, the system is a ruthless bastard, it can easily crush an honest and courageous person.
  • Andrey VOV 6 February 2020 12: 52 New
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    I live in a kilometer. There are a lot of acquaintances there. They say that Sankin simply beat him, he did not resist. The neighbors barely dragged him away. Samosud, although I fully support the guy. Signed a petition.

    Ah, an examination on alcohol, what did it show? If Sankin was sober, then a mitigating circumstance, if drunk, then aggravating. You need a competent lawyer (well, you understand ...)

    Sobriety according to UK is not an extenuating circumstance
  • Andrey VOV 6 February 2020 13: 02 New
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    Sankin, of course, on the good side. But you need to drink less! It is known that Pankin was drunk, probably due to the fact that he “went too far” by striking, leading to Zaitsev’s death. And the state of intoxication is an aggravating circumstance that excludes action in a state of affect ...

    Who knows? Have you had a drink with him? Have you read the case files? So there’s no need to draw conclusions
  • Podvodnik 6 February 2020 13: 05 New
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    Thanks to that girl that she told the truth how everything was and she did not recognize us as rapists ... But, to save the girls and deal with the cops, after that the desire decreased.
    I am sure these stories are full!


    I once read an article: A man is riding in an elevator, on the floor a "brat" entered. Says: "Uncle, give .... (money), otherwise I’ll scream that you molested." I don’t remember how the author got out of the situation, but!
    And what to do in such a situation? Send of course. And below dad is waiting. The elevator opens, she shouting: "Daddy! He’s touching me!" You won’t even have time to open your mouth, but you’ll be “cartilized” from the right, then from the foot. And so about thirty minutes. In the newspapers, our truth-seekers will write that a loving father tore his own daughter out of the clutches of a pedophile. And the pedophile "died" on the way to the hospital. What will the people say? There he is dear. And all the petition will be signed. But actually how was it? Who will be interested in this?
    Therefore, the court is needed in order to establish all the details of the case and make a decision based on the law. No other way. Everything else is lynching, and he will not bring to good. Have the "special triples" been forgotten? Or how did they obtain confessions of torture? And not the very last people were tortured.
    Introducing objections: By the way, the judges didn’t come from Mars. And the police are not from Venus. These are all our neighbors and classmates. We grew up together. What has grown has grown. It is necessary to monitor the plantings, water on time, carry out breeding work, weed weed. In a vacant lot, roses themselves will not grow. Here desire is necessary, perseverance. Well, time. Yes, and it would not hurt to look in the mirror sometimes. And if there isn’t enough time for everything, then nothing will change. So we will sign the petitions for various reasons.
    1. Butchcassidy 6 February 2020 13: 49 New
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      This is clearly not the case. A man 3 times convicted under similar articles.
    2. Guru 6 February 2020 14: 36 New
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      Judges, incidentally, did not fly from Mars. And the police are not from Venus.
      Oh really ? laughing
      We grew up together. What has grown has grown.
      and further
      It is necessary to monitor plantings, water on time, carry out breeding work, weed weed.

      And you yourself are not from Mars? The legal system of Russia at the moment is so flawed that people are not there in principle. The essence is simple: “If a person has a moral framework, principles and guidelines, then he has not been able to work in this system for more than 5 years,” remain moral invalids, of whom there are most. Because the question of what to do "In conscience or according to the Law" will definitely choose the Law. The President of the Russian Federation spoke about the existence of this problem. Speaking about the judicial system, then there are systemic problems, for example, who chooses judges? The answer is JUDGES. Some corrupt choose other corrupt.
      And let me zaminusuyut- IMHO
    3. Archivist Vasya 6 February 2020 17: 21 New
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      The situation is really interesting ... well, you can this girl immediately in the jaw (cut down in short), stop the elevator exit.
      Since they are criminals, they will not submit to the police.
  • Barmaleyka 6 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    IDIOCY!!!!
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    He signed a petition in defense of a real man!
  • For many years, the strange state of "RK" ("Capitalist Russia") has been operating in the territory of the country of Russia. It does not solve the problems of people; it CREATES them PROBLEMS. He does not want and cannot protect people from stray dogs. What pedophiles? With crime, with ALL crime ("strategic" level) can be dealt with in a YEAR. History knows examples of how to cleanse society from "ordinary people" at the operational level during the MONTH! And t and sh and n comes .... And all the surviving geeks are hiding in the "deep holes". And people sigh FREE. But the matter is “small” - an adequate state of PEOPLE should function in the country