Europe without a cross on the neck: what happens to European Christianity


With the filing of Patriarch Cyril, a discussion arose in Russia about the inclusion of a mention of God in the Constitution. In a number of Western countries there is such a record. Only here, many of their politicians already call themselves post-Christian civilization: Europe without a cross on the neck.


How multiculture cut Christianity


What is the meaning of such self-identification is difficult to understand. Everyone puts their own meaning into this concept. However, there is one thing that unites all carriers of the new meme - the rejection of Christianity. It manifested itself in Europe, as a consequence of the policy of multiculturalism.

At the end of the last century, Western leaders, with perseverance close to obsession, began to impose this newfangled policy on society. Behind the beautiful words about “the parallel existence of cultures for the purpose of their mutual penetration, enrichment and development in the general human channel of mass culture” was actually a quite pragmatic calculation - to facilitate the adaptation of the continent, and maybe assimilation, to migrants not characteristic of Europe's faiths.

An aging Europe wanted at the expense of migrants to improve its demography, to support the economy with labor resources. To do this, I had to sacrifice principles, primarily Christian ones. Since the new settlers of Europe did not really like the traditional religious holidays and traditions.

Believing Christians are less likely to go to temples. Without the former community support, churches were dilapidated and closed. In Germany alone, from the beginning of the 90s, about a thousand temples of traditional denominations of the country were closed.

True, the Germans themselves were also affected. Believers in Germany pay church tax. They themselves declare which denomination they are ready to support with money. Then, local authorities organize tax collection and give money to churches.

Three to five percent of the collected money flows into the local budget, the rest - to church communities. With the decline in popularity of religious services, the burden on other believers began to increase. They began to massively refuse the tax.

The explanation was very simple: the priests were mired in sins, many were convicted of pedophilia (which is true). The financial support of such people loses its former religious meaning.

Mosque instead of church


Experts argue about the incentives of Europeans who abandoned many years of church tradition. Another thing is important. Temples became unclaimed and were leased or sold for completely different purposes. The churches housed columbaria, restaurants, leisure clubs, etc.

The Lutheran church Capernaum in Hamburg, for example, was sold as a kindergarten. At least, such goals were declared by the company that bought the temple building. After a while, she resold the building to the Nur Islamic Center, which unites migrants from North Africa.

The center quickly converted the church into a mosque, and the 44-meter bell tower into a minaret. Former parishioners of Capernaum, such a reformation warped, but, in the end, the Lutherans took it as a fact and quietly reconciled.

The alteration of the church in Hamburg did not become an extraordinary event for Germany. The niche freed by Christians was filled by Muslims. Almost everywhere they began to buy churches that were being freed up as unnecessary and remodel them into mosques.

Today, Friday prayers of Muslims are held in the former Christian churches of Berlin, Dusseldorf, Cologne, and other big and small cities in Germany. Similar examples can be found in many European countries that have actively encouraged migration from Muslim countries.

Already at the end of the zero years of the new century, European leaders openly began to say that the policy of multiculturalism had failed. It was not accepted primarily by newcomers to the continent. They remained faithful to traditional religion and culture.

Europeans themselves, freed from church prohibitions and commandments, advanced the new policy well, very far. The institution of the family has been called into question, same-sex marriages, gender mixing, and other previously unthinkable things have appeared.

Youth went into disbelief


A few years ago, Stephen Bullivant, a professor of theology and sociology of religion at St. Mary’s University in London, conducted a study. The scientist was interested in the prospects of Christianity: how much the current youth is churched, how immersed is it in religion.

A survey of youth aged 16 to 29 shocked Bullivant. The least religious country in Europe was the Czech Republic. Here, 91% of representatives of the interviewed age group admitted that they do not belong to any religious denomination. In Estonia, Sweden, and the Netherlands, approximately 70-80% of young people described themselves as unbelievers.

The picture is changing only in Poland and Lithuania. Here, 17 and 25 percent of young people do not associate themselves with religion, respectively. Analyzing the survey data, Stephen Bullivant came to the sad conclusion: “By default, Christianity in Europe, as a norm, is leaving and is likely to leave forever - or at least for the next hundred years.”

Is this good or bad? The question is not simple. To be a Christian or not is a personal matter. But he should not ignore the culture that has been formed over the centuries from religious norms and institutions and rooted in the mentality of the people.

The declaration of post-Christian civilization is somewhat reminiscent of the famous Russian expression about "Ivanov, who do not remember kinship." Wise people saw this as a danger to their future. Lovers of newfangled theories should not forget about it.
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  1. Aaron Zawi 5 February 2020 17: 31 New
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    Western Europe will die within 100 years. Without any violence.
    1. Ingvar 72 5 February 2020 17: 36 New
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      At such rates of moral degradation in society (and in the church too), after 50 years, we will catch up.
      1. Mar.Tirah 5 February 2020 17: 44 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        At such rates of moral degradation in society (and in the church too), after 50 years, we will catch up.

        We will not catch up. Because we have our own traditional way of life, immunity from all power. And we will protect ourselves from this, no matter how hard it tries to impose our rules on us. It’s not for nothing that the famous phrase “What is Moscow?” Is near Moscow, and we are here We lived and we will live! Today I met a comment, I could not help but compromise it. -What is the mention of God in the Constitution for?
        Yes, so that the elite had a legitimate and universal excuse:
        “God knows him!”
        - God help you!
        - Fear God!
        - For all God's will.
        - Bless you.
        - This is God's punishment!
        - God works in mysterious ways...
        - God help Russia!

        So what? Conveniently! :)
        1. Ingvar 72 5 February 2020 17: 48 New
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          Quote: Mar. Tira
          Because we have our own traditional way of life, immunity from all power.

          We are changing it intensively. And judging by the change in moral guidelines and foundations, the change of concepts about what is good and what is bad, I would not have to say about the steadfastness of our spiritual bonds.
          The principle of Overton windows works well. hi
          1. Mar.Tirah 5 February 2020 17: 55 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            We are changing it intensively.

            Do not speak for everyone, Russia is big!
            1. Grandfather Crimea 5 February 2020 18: 37 New
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              Do you know how many people come to the ordinary private (non-festive) service in the church closest to you?
              From this came the expression-a cross on the chest, and a toe in the soul (. There are many who have been baptized, but few believers.
              1. swzero 5 February 2020 19: 08 New
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                And what’s wrong with that? In union in the church, too, no one went and morality was. Morality and culture have no relation to the church. Morality is formed by the state (and not only it) with the help of propaganda through the media, including, the church is just one of the instruments of propaganda, and far from the main one in our country, at least. Another thing is that there is a layer of weak (mind, will?) People for whom this tool is important, and if it does not exist or it will be bad, then other people's tools will occupy its niche - like the notorious witnesses of Jehovah or Igil's propagandists.
                1. AleBors 5 February 2020 20: 00 New
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                  Any morality or culture is formed on some kind of cult. One of two. There is no third.
                  1. swzero 5 February 2020 20: 55 New
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                    however, the dissemination of this culture is usually carried out by the state (or those who have the resources for this).
                    1. AleBors 7 February 2020 09: 06 New
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                      Give an example
                      1. swzero 7 February 2020 09: 12 New
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                        and what far to go, the same Orthodoxy was planted by the ruling elite, and often by force
                  2. Range 5 February 2020 20: 58 New
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                    Yes, initially there was no cross on them. By the way, the Catholic faith is the most militant. How many warriors do they unleash on the cover of a military operation. Muslim radicals are controlled by them.
                    1. Maki Avellevich 6 February 2020 06: 52 New
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                      Quote: Spectrum
                      By the way, the Catholic faith is the most militant.

                      it is not a “militant" faith, but the nature of the peoples who accepted it.
                      be Europeans even Buddhists vseravno sailed into the new world and in the BV and all fucked up.
                      1. Range 6 February 2020 07: 09 New
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                        Well no! Look at the border of Russia’s rejection, exactly with the border of Orthodoxy and Catholicism. They will die, but they will spoil Russia precisely on this basis. And the centuries-old feud is manic based on that. Radical formations all over the world are being sponsored and financed, just the centers where Catholicism is the basis. The crusades in various forms did not stop for a minute.
                    2. AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 21 New
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                      I’ll tell you a secret - the Orthodox Church is also militant. With sin and the prince of this world
                  3. astepanov 6 February 2020 18: 40 New
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                    Quote: AleBors
                    formed on some kind of cult.

                    It is formed on some kind of cult ... Morality and morality grow out of the needs of society, and then the cult usurps them (and exploits at their discretion a couple with the authorities). Almost any Russian queen easily changed her faith, being delivered from behind a hill. So much for “faith”: from Lutherans to Orthodox Christians in a couple of days, without wincing, if circumstances so require. Religiosity is imposed on us with terrible force. No matter how fast de facto it becomes a theocracy with all the consequences for freedom, culture, education, science ...
                    1. AleBors 7 February 2020 09: 05 New
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                      Ek, you turned it over. A society without a cult is not capable of forming moral standards and so on. This is just a herd. About the queens. Yes, they are foreigners, but they easily converted to Orthodoxy, later realizing its truth. In addition, the Empress Alexandra Feodorovna is ranked by the Russian Orthodox Church, as a saint, as a martyr.
                      Nobody imposes anything on you. Do not be nervous. It's just that people are looking for, they want some kind of spiritual support. Beliefs in the "bright future" were deprived, in the "human face" of capitalism they themselves were deprived. And the human soul cannot live without faith, or, if you want, transpersonal value.
                      1. astepanov 7 February 2020 10: 58 New
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                        Quote: AleBors
                        A society without a cult is not able to form moral standards and so on. This is just a herd.

                        Nothing like this. Any, even the most primitive community, is structured - and therefore forced to develop community standards. These norms are laid in the foundation of the cult. Christianity arose when a social need arose in this, just as Judaism arose before.
                2. nickname7 8 February 2020 15: 34 New
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                  Resettlement and migration is a natural phenomenon.
              2. AleBors 5 February 2020 19: 59 New
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                I know. In our church on Sundays 2 liturgies. Early and late. And on both in the temple closely. Especially in the late. People are standing on the street. And so in our city everywhere ...
                1. swzero 5 February 2020 20: 59 New
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                  the temples have a beautiful, interesting atmosphere, I visit with pleasure for excursion purposes, but education and a critical mindset do not allow believing in stupidity.
                  1. tihonmarine 5 February 2020 22: 07 New
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                    Quote: swzero
                    the temples have a beautiful, interesting atmosphere, I visit with pleasure for excursion purposes, but education and a critical mindset do not allow believing in stupidity.

                    This is our misfortune. Christianity will leave, it will be replaced by Islam. But you do not explain to them that you are educated and what is your mentality. Yes, and it will be too late. "We must remember the faith of our ancestors, remember from the grave and graveyards."
                    1. CT-55_11-9009 5 February 2020 22: 47 New
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                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      This is our misfortune. Christianity will leave, it will be replaced by Islam. But you do not explain to them that you are educated and what is your mentality. Yes, and it will be too late. "We must remember the faith of our ancestors, remember from the grave and graveyards."

                      Must say? And how do you make me, an unbeliever, believe and pray? Under pain of burning at the stake of the Holy Inquisition?
                      1. anykin 5 February 2020 23: 33 New
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                        Who told you about to force?
                      2. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 09: 12 New
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                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        Must say? And how do you make me, an unbeliever, believe and pray? Under pain of burning at the stake of the Holy Inquisition?

                        You are an unbeliever, and you must not believe, but you must remember, and I will not explain to you about "Ivan, who does not remember kinship." But you are right, in the same Germany, thousands of temples turned into mosques, and you want this for your country? Maybe this awaits us. I would not want to, but here they are (if you live) they will certainly explain and make you honor the Koran and perform 6 prayers.
                      3. L-39NG 6 February 2020 10: 44 New
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                        The temple does not turn into a mosque. In Germany, there are approximately 2700 mosques, of which the majority are prayer rooms or courtyard mosques. Turks rule there.
                        And look at Russia, a secular state in which the Orthodox church was set up as much as it was before 1917 and where they were never there, and they still build, almost every rake is sanctified, and the population decreases. The main function of the church is to keep people subordinate to the rulers.
                      4. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 11: 21 New
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                        Quote: L-39NG
                        The temple does not turn into a mosque. In Germany, there are approximately 2700 mosques, of which the majority are prayer rooms or courtyard mosques. Turks rule there.

                        You at least read your words, “There are 2700 mosques in Germany” and whatever they are, the Lutheran Church of Capernaum in Hamburg, which has become a mosque or the “courtyard mosque”, is becoming more and more. And then tell me, how many Orthodox churches, even in the same Turkey? You still do not understand "Who is the boss in Germany"?
                      5. L-39NG 6 February 2020 12: 50 New
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                        The owner in Germany is the people of Germany, and as far as Muslim citizens are concerned, this does not prevent Germany from being the leading European state in economic terms.
                      6. L-39NG 6 February 2020 12: 58 New
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                        You can also recall the historical alteration of the temple to a mosque. Sorry, I do not know how in Russian - Hagia Sophia (Αγία Σοφία) in Istanbul
                      7. L-39NG 6 February 2020 13: 03 New
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                        Orthodoxy in Turkey is, but only 0,2% of the inhabitants are Christians. And Orthodoxy there is the Syrian patriarchy.
                      8. Silhouette 7 February 2020 12: 05 New
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                        Quote: L-39NG
                        You can also recall the historical alteration of the temple to a mosque.

                        Yeah. This is when all Christians were slaughtered or sold into slavery. Remember .. Where is Byzantium? What with her ?
                    2. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 13: 00 New
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                      Quote: L-39NG
                      and with regards to Muslim citizens, this does not prevent Germany from being a leading European state, in terms of economic indicators.

                      The conversation is not about economics. But the fact that Muslims do not interfere with Germany is already your business, but not ours. Live as you like.
                    3. L-39NG 6 February 2020 13: 56 New
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                      It’s a pity that the flags were canceled. (Tolerance?) It would be clear that I am not from Germany. I am from the most atheistic country in Europe, but I don’t interfere with believers (Tolerance?) Fanatics are intolerant, especially political and religious. And God forbid, tolerance will disappear ...
                    4. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 14: 30 New
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                      Quote: L-39NG
                      And God forbid, tolerance will disappear.

                      And I think that Satan came up with tolerance.
                    5. L-39NG 6 February 2020 14: 48 New
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                      But what about the message “love your neighbor” or “if you are on the left, then turn on the right”? Isn't God's tolerance?
                    6. L-39NG 6 February 2020 14: 53 New
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                      I don’t want to offend anyone, but THOUGHT people came up with Satan, and the Lord made people decide for themselves. Many refuse this rule than they commit sin.
                    7. AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 29 New
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                      Talk nonsense again. Satan did not invent or create anything. He cannot do this in principle. But the Lord awarded people the ability to create, and free will.
                  2. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 14: 54 New
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                    Quote: L-39NG
                    But what about the message “love your neighbor” or “if you are on the left, then turn on the right”? Isn't God's tolerance?

                    Here the formula "You cannot warm all with heat."
                  3. AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 25 New
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                    It is only in relation to oneself. But not to the neighbor or Faith ..
                  4. Pissarro 11 February 2020 09: 18 New
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                    Here is the question of who is the neighbor. In the Old Testament, the difference is clearly indicated. The commandments for their society. Genocide for strangers (carved cities and peoples there is the same norm as love for one’s neighbor and there are no contradictions here)
              3. AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 25 New
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                Tolerance is a medical term that means a decrease in reaction to the repeated administration of drugs, drugs or psychoactive substances; body addiction, which requires an increasing dose to achieve the effect inherent in the substance
    2. CT-55_11-9009 6 February 2020 13: 13 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      You are an unbeliever, and you must not believe, but you must remember, and I will not explain to you about "Ivan, who does not remember kinship."

      I remember, and I remember well. Although I do not like religion, I cannot stand the church as an institution, but I do not impose my views on anyone.
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But you are right, in the same Germany, thousands of temples turned into mosques, and you want this for your country?

      Well, of course, I don’t want this. As well as the construction of thousands of NEW churches throughout the country along with the "optimization" of hospitals, schools, institutes, universities. All this despite the fact that the Kon (b) Constitution states that Russia is a secular state! WHERE???
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Maybe this awaits us. I would not want to, but here they are (if you live) they will certainly explain and make you honor the Koran and perform 6 prayers.

      Will they force? Yeah, they will. They will go to sit in the forest on seven oaks ... And there will be no care for everything else. Yes, by that moment I will certainly have a family, but nevertheless, I will not tolerate religious fanaticism, only the “liberal human universal” is worse than this.
    3. tihonmarine 6 February 2020 13: 29 New
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      Yes, by that time I will certainly have a family

      Well, you yourself said about your "weak link". For the sake of the family you will do anything, for the sake of it we live.
    4. AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 31 New
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      Quote: CT-55_11-9009
      oooh, of course I don’t want this. As well as the construction of thousands of NEW churches throughout the country along with the "optimization" of hospitals, schools, institutes, universities. All this despite the fact that the Kon (b) Constitution states that Russia is a secular state! WHERE???

      I remind you that the state and the church are separate from us. Temples are built on donations from people. And about optimizations, this is definitely not for you at church.
    5. astepanov 6 February 2020 18: 55 New
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      Quote: AleBors
      Temples are built on donations from people.

      You tell someone that three churches a day are built "on donations" - including those worth many billions, for example, the Main Military Temple. Which, by the way, there will be no one to visit, because he is in Kubinka. In 2017, 4,3 million people visited churches in Russia at Easter - and not the fact that they are all believers. This, by the way, is 2,9% of the population of Russia. Here you have the real figure of the share of believers in the population, and not 70%, as the Church invites. How much REALLY money can they raise? Maybe in universities they build temples with the money of students who do not receive scholarships, and poor teachers? Schaz, how ...
    6. AleBors 7 February 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: astepanov
      You tell someone that three churches a day are built "on donations"

      And what to tell, if it is. And in my city they are building it. One has already been built, one is still in the process. I actively participate in this, so I know the whole inner "kitchen". And about 3 temples a day, if it is around the world ..
      If you can’t believe it, what can you do, don’t believe it.
    7. astepanov 7 February 2020 09: 42 New
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      The vast majority of churches of the Moscow Patriarchate are located on the territory of the Russian Federation, so fairy tales about "around the world" do not work. However, it is impossible to convince a believer of anything, including obvious things. The history of the construction of the temple on the territory of my native university is a living example. It was built on budget money in the bow of the administration of the university and the region. The court hushed up the case. Although, of course, something is also built on donations.
    8. AleBors 7 February 2020 09: 48 New
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      Strongly I doubt your living example. If so, then this is an exception, sad but an exception.
  • astepanov 6 February 2020 18: 44 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    "We must remember the faith of our ancestors

    Who should we remember faith? But to remember how the ancestors were serfs, and we ourselves must also become serfs? And how did you go about hitchhiking and earring - also remember, and go around hitchhiking and earring? And how were they completely illiterate?
    No empty declarations needed.
  • nickname7 8 February 2020 15: 40 New
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    Christianity will leave

    That faith is not leaving, but the population is declining.
    you do not explain

    You and your descendants will not be, no one to explain.
  • Maki Avellevich 6 February 2020 06: 57 New
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    Quote: swzero
    the temples have a beautiful, interesting atmosphere, I visit with pleasure for excursion purposes, but education and a critical mindset do not allow believing in stupidity.

    rationalism explains very little of the universe, the rest is faith in theory and hypothesis.
    Can't you find the parallel between faith in divine origin and the Big Bang theory?
    a matter of taste, no more.
    ps many nuclear physicists very much believe in the Creator.
    1. nickname7 8 February 2020 15: 52 New
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      the parallel between faith in divine origin and the big bang theory

      There are no parallels here, since from the point of view of natural science everything happens in a natural way, and for religious reasons the world is an artificial construction and events are artificially initiated and controlled.
      1. Maki Avellevich 8 February 2020 17: 42 New
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        Quote: nickname7
        There are no parallels here, since from the point of view of natural science everything happens in a natural way, and for religious reasons the world is an artificial construction and events are artificially initiated and controlled.

        Explain at the same time what you call the natural way.
        Do not forget to explain the appearance of a "natural way" of the constant nuclear forces.
        an insignificant percentage of the plus or minus percent and the stars could not light up or burn out too quickly for life to bloom on the planet.
        Do not be so categorical without having knowledge in yourself.
  • AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 21 New
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    You simply did not read the writings of the Church Fathers. Therefore, for you all the "nonsense."
    1. Far East 6 February 2020 16: 03 New
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      read, I advise! great thoughts of great people! entertaining books!
  • Po-tzan 6 February 2020 10: 20 New
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    Quote: AleBors
    I know. In our church on Sundays 2 liturgies. Early and late. And on both in the temple closely. Especially in the late. People are standing on the street. And so in our city everywhere ...


    The generation, which now makes up the majority in VO, has managed to be pioneers for 30 years, with Lenin’s badges on their chests, and “businessmen” from the 90s, and Kapirovsky’s adherents charging water in front of the TV, but now it’s been very churchy for Orthodox Russia tear vest.
    I bet that after 20 years, they will have time to change their shoes for the fifth time on the fly as Buddhists or Muslims and will glorify the Russian Caliphate here with foam at the mouth, proving that it has always been so.
    1. Far East 6 February 2020 11: 37 New
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      hit the mark! but, they expressed to you through - not trust! probably (servant)
      1. AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 33 New
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        It is incomprehensible to express myself ... As for me, I have a military-patriotic club at the temple. And there are many such clubs at temples.
        1. Far East 6 February 2020 16: 00 New
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          so are you pop then everything is clear! everyone has their own FAITH!
        2. AleBors 6 February 2020 16: 09 New
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          I’m sorry, I didn’t drink the Brudershaft. Let's go to the "you". I am a member of the temple community. There I deal with children to the best of my ability, knowledge and ability. What you believe is your business. Just do not bother believing others.
        3. Po-tzan 7 February 2020 11: 59 New
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          Quote: AleBors
          I am a member of the temple community. There I deal with children to the best of my ability, knowledge and ability.


          And in the 80s, too, were a member of the temple community?
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          And in the 80s I graduated from school. And baptized, by the way. And what?
      2. Far East 7 February 2020 12: 03 New
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        1. In what law, communication is prescribed! I, rudely communicated, rude? NO! 2. (I am a member of the temple community.) This is wonderful! good luck! 3. (Just do not bother believing others.) This shaw, such a joke !? this is how I interfere with believing! RAVE! do not impose on people, people themselves will figure it out! something like this.
      3. AleBors 7 February 2020 12: 32 New
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        1. I'm talking about politeness. Poking at a stranger is at least uncivilized.
        2. Thank you! And you do not cough.
        3. I do not impose anything on anyone. I speak from the perspective of an Orthodox Christian. If you do not like it, alas, this is not my problem.
      4. Far East 7 February 2020 13: 06 New
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        (I speak from the perspective of an Orthodox Christian.) Know-how! wink where it was about like! winked winked
  • AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 13 New
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    I bet you. You're not right.
    1. Far East 6 February 2020 16: 16 New
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      if it is in my direction! no need to argue. Do not prove anything!
      1. AleBors 6 February 2020 16: 32 New
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        That's not for you. This is the one who beats
    2. Po-tzan 7 February 2020 12: 02 New
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      Quote: AleBors
      I bet you. You're not right.

      I have nothing to argue with a man who has been so quick at church that he forgot to change his profile picture. Here, as they say, one must either remove the cross or put on cowards.
      1. AleBors 7 February 2020 12: 29 New
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        Why change? What is the contradiction between Orthodoxy and the “excellent tankman” badge? What is an echo of the USSR? So what? This is a part of my life.
        And I regard your refusal as a fear of losing.
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        And I regard your refusal as a fear of losing.

        Bayus, Bayus virtually lose to an unnamed Orthodox activist with a hammer and sickle in the avatar laughing
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        And rightly so. Be afraid
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    With the help of rituals, spells and songs, Christians believe that they influence (manipulate) the control of the artificial world.
    Faith and self-hypnosis is an autogenic training.
  • raif 9 February 2020 22: 57 New
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    do not star. so I was a pioneer and remained an atheist. and with foam at the mouth I argue with those who insist "there are no atheists in the trenches." and he was not a businessman - since 95 in the army, he did not go to sects - for there was no time with the sovereign’s service. and those who want to arrange any Caliphate to crush tanks - for we have a secular state
  • Squelcher 5 February 2020 23: 28 New
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    God is one, and people came up with a church.
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      The church was created by the Lord. He is its head.
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        The Lord did not only create a church, but some forgot that the Lord is one and the priesthood, does not give sinlessness and moreover does not give the right to use faith for profit.
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          You speak so categorically as if you know everything and are sure that all clergymen serve exclusively for their own sake ... Have you read the liberal press? Where does the information come from?
          1. Squelcher 6 February 2020 23: 43 New
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            [/ quote] The Church was created by the Lord. Its head is He [quote]
            Aren't these your words?
            Does a man need a church to live according to God's laws?
            Aren't individual church representatives profiting? Is everyone so pure and sinless?
            During the Second World War, there were Orthodox priests who served the Nazis, and there were Orthodox Priests with arms in their hands defending their native land (not Stalin or the Communist Party but their native land).
            I look at life with my eyes wide open.
            Neither the liberal nor the communist press I read sick of the dirt that poured on the history of Russia, both currents.
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            I do not see the contradictions. About individual representatives. Every priest, especially a man. Only the demand from him will be special. The church is made up of people. Society consists of people, and our society, alas, is deeply painful. Again, the priest does not like it, you can always go and feed yourself with another.
  • CT-55_11-9009 6 February 2020 21: 08 New
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    God is one, and people came up with a church.

    In my humble opinion, people are called by God those phenomena that they cannot understand. As, for example, the natural forces for ancient people were also gods, and very many people from different continents.
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      Quite right, for ancient people, the world was incomprehensible and the elements of the wind, lightning, they perceived by the action of otherworldly beings. Which were appeased with rituals and dances.
  • Far East 6 February 2020 11: 33 New
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    without sarcasm! just a question! going to the service (church) sho it gives? I, and so I know without a church, sho is GOOD !, and sho is BAD! when we (Russia) were BAPTIZED by force! and now! you pay big bucks for any church rite! it should be FREE! the church lived on a donation! sho now! it's just BUSINESS! baptized!
    1. AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 12 New
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      Going to the Temple provides fellowship with God through participation in the Sacraments. And what is really good and what is bad is known only to God. Why such a game about violent baptism? From neopagan sites? And what kind of money are we talking about? You can go to the Temple for years, no one will take a penny from you. Admission is free, you can’t buy candles, don’t give notes ... And then, if anything, they’ll baptize and sing you for free. Not one priest will refuse. So you are mistaken ...
      1. Far East 6 February 2020 15: 58 New
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        Hare to treat! what a mystery! it was not visible in the Far East. in our churches EVERYTHING is paid! is free! I didn’t laugh like that for a long time! yeah! grandson recently baptized! do not tell me!
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          Why did he baptize his grandson? Just wondering...
          We are baptized and buried for free if there is no money. This is in Moscow.
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            well, sho! here and baptized! grow up, he will have a choice! ah, maskva!
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            well, sho! here and baptized! !

            The depth of the argument is amazing.
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            sho wrong !? Am I in interrogation?
      2. CT-55_11-9009 6 February 2020 21: 11 New
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        Do you need to photograph the price tag for services in my neighboring church? Cheboksary, if anything, the Cathedral of St. Tatiana. Free you can only go in, go out and listen to singing. ALL! Other services (namely services) are paid.
      3. AleBors 7 February 2020 09: 20 New
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        Take a picture. And send to the ruling bishop, with the words that they refuse to baptize you for free. And then, is the temple warm? Is it light? Purely? Sing beautifully? What do you think you have to pay for it? And where does the temple get the money from?
        And then, the Sacraments, such as Holy Communion, Confession, Liturgy, and Unction, are completely free in all churches. And participation in the Sacraments is the most important thing in the life of a Christian.
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        Quote: AleBors
        And participation in the Sacraments is the most important thing in the life of a Christian.

        Seriously? That is, remembering and keeping the commandments is no longer the main thing? Sinned, such as: stole, committed adultery, killed - it does not matter, you can confess - God will forgive everything. So? Some very convenient thing to justify all this is your religion. Taking a picture is not a question.
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        That is, remembering and keeping the commandments is no longer the main thing? Sinned, such as: stole, committed adultery, killed - it does not matter, you can confess - God will forgive everything.

        You contradict yourself. If you do not live by the commandments, the meaning of confession? Confession from the heart, in the understanding that he sinned before God, violating his commandments. And repentance is a matter. If you do not repent, the Lord will not accept confession.
        And God will forgive. For He is love. But only sincerely repenting. Do you know such a cloister as Optina deserts? It was founded by the repentant robber Optiy .. And he repented his whole life ...
        And yet ... Do you know what hell is? This is not the devil with pans, this is the absence of God.
  • Pissarro 11 February 2020 09: 33 New
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    Anyone else in society may have a clue What is good and bad to be different from yours. Maybe someone has people well. Religion is the basis of what is good and bad for the whole society. Like, so God established and do not argue. And these settings are different from religion to religion. A Muslim can have a bunch of wives, a usury at a wild interest to Judea, and let go of a Shinto gut. Russian your settings closer)
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    In Kiev, a lot of people go to church, a lot of young people, I rarely go myself, my wife more often, we try to take communion of children. Much depends on the priest, what is the pop and the parish, as they say. There are true priests, then it is very interesting and tireless and defend the service and listen and help.
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  • AleBors 5 February 2020 19: 57 New
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    So do not change. What's the matter? Religion is the most convenient transpersonal goal.
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      Religion is the most convenient transpersonal goal.

      Yes, but with its shortcomings, it looks like an advertisement for castor oil - sort of about ... you need to clean, but bitterly and ugly.
      If the church’s calls to keep the commandments are correct three times, few people heed them, looking at the banal commercial activity of the Russian Orthodox Church.
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        If the church’s calls to keep the commandments are correct three times, few people heed them, looking at the banal commercial activity of the Russian Orthodox Church.

        Churches more than once went through reformation in similar cases.
        Alexei is right, it’s just that something needs to be corrected at the conservatory.
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        Why such nonsense? And what are your complaints about the Church? Or to God? What does not suit you in her activity? You figure it out ...
  • Machito 5 February 2020 23: 26 New
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    Torarastia will destroy Europe.
    -Hans, how are you?
    -Oh what are you. Such love, such love - there is no time to poop.
    1. rich 6 February 2020 00: 18 New
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      Today, Friday prayers of Muslims are held in the former Christian churches of Berlin, Dusseldorf, Cologne, and other big and small cities in Germany. Similar examples can be found in many European countries that have actively encouraged migration from Muslim countries.

      There is a curious book, “The Mosque of the Paris of the Mother of God,” a dystopian novel by Russian writer Elena Chudinova. Interesting story. Easy to read. The book has been translated into many languages ​​of the world. Interesting moment: For a long time, it was not possible to find a publisher ready to publish the novel in France. According to the French book publisher Jean Robin, he published this book in 2009 after 62 publishers refused to release it, fearing accusations of anti-Muslim views. The translator of the book into French wished to remain anonymous, fearing for his life
      The events of the novel take place in France in 2048, in which Muslim immigrants seized power. The bulk of the local population, under the yoke of the Islamists, dutifully accept their religion. The Christian minority lives in the ghetto. Participants of the Christian resistance decide to capture the Al-Franconi mosque, turning it back into Notre Dame Cathedral, and then blow it up so that it no longer becomes the sanctuary of another, alien religion, remaining forever a Christian shrine ....
  • Alexey LK 6 February 2020 06: 19 New
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    And judging by the change in moral guidelines and foundations, the change of concepts about what is good and what is bad,

    Change for what? The fact of the matter is that many of the old religious dogmas, teachings, and attitudes would probably have been refused if something new were offered in return. And so - it’s just a society’s reaction (withdrawal to passivity, closure of faith within oneself) to the seizure of churches by all sorts of parasites that use this institution, among many others, to take control. People see, feel, understand that something is wrong in the church, they are alienated. What is the point of going there if she has ceased to fulfill her very specific functions that have clearly crystallized over the centuries? Money is a secondary moment.
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    God help you!

    inspired by a joke -
    A daughter comes to the new Russian and says: - Dad, I'm getting married. - How?! For whom? - For the priest ... - Che! Are you completely foolish? - Well, love, papa ... You see, you will not command your heart ... - Well, all right ... you at least bring him, get to know ... She brings a young deacon, they sit, eat, drink. HP says: - Hey, son-in-law, my daughter changes 10000 greens in my fur coat every month. How, I wonder, will you live? How will you keep it ... - God will help ... - And she also got used to flying to Paris every week to do a new hairstyle .. How now? - God will help ... - Yes, and she prefers to ride a Ferrari or Porsche, takes a new model every six months ... How do you imagine living together with her? - God will help ... Well, we sat, the groom went home. My daughter asks: “Well, dad, do you want my fiancé?” - Well, how? ... Sucker sucker, but when he calls me God, I bastard!
    wassat
    1. Mar.Tirah 5 February 2020 18: 26 New
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      Sucker sucker, but when he calls me God, I'm a bastard!

      And you say our people are humble. + .... good
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      But what's the difference with a cross on the neck or without? !!! I am an atheist and I know that according to the teachings God is in your heart, in your soul!
      At Easter, everyone is breaking into church - officials, bandits, socialite. There’s nowhere to put the whole army on whom the stigmas are! Others will fasten the chain and the cross more than that of the priest, they will buy an armful of candles and stand with a thoughtful look ... They probably wonder if they have failed? ...
      And what, is there God in them? !!!
      1. AleBors 5 February 2020 20: 01 New
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        God is in everyone. Even in you. And in the "soul" to believe, not to believe in anything. The soul does not accommodate God, if you do not communicate with him.
      2. Of course there is, dear Leader of the Redskins! We are all God's creation. In images, it’s like a spark of God, “the spark of God.” It is in every person. Another thing is that not all “two-legged”, not all “homo sapiens” people are human beings. There are “bad people” , there are “ordinary nonhumans.” It’s all about the percentage of good and bad in their souls. And, unfortunately, many who deliberately blew out and threw mud, threw mud ....
        The heroes of your story came to the temple - it’s already good. It’s difficult for a neophyte with experience to go to the temple. There are powerful opponents - "peace, flesh and the devil." What does the world say? “One day off ... you plowed away“ uncle ”for five days, yesterday you“ rustled ”around the house - even though you sleep a little longer today, what a“ temple ”?! What do the flesh say next to the busted young wife on Sunday morning - you guess what. demons say - “aliens”? Those “experts” say ... "Christian faith is from the Jews, another thing is the Slavic gods .... you look at this priest - doesn’t it show that he himself fasts doesn’t observe ....., faith - hoary antiquity, where science has gone, you have no match for children - with gadgets "to" you "...." N and x, "serks" have a lot of "songs." Only "ears hanging" will sing ...
        Going to the temple is such a must if you want. Fight for YOUR soul. Any good deed, sometimes it clearly confirms the proverb: "Without labor - you can’t take a fish out of a pond either." The heroes of your story won a tactical battle.
        A few words about the article. What is Western Christianity? We with our mess - to figure it out. CHOOSE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CHURCH, remove the NUMBERS from the parishes (in 1943, a nemchur in Ukraine obliged everyone to wear a bandage with a personal number from 10 years old. The Red Army soon canceled the Nazi hateful order ....). Hands to give to those villains that they mock the icons, make fun of the saints' images, accepting orders and money from Satanists, abandoning the heresy of ecumenism once and for all .... Russia is the “salt of the earth”. If the salt is unusable, what will be done with it?
      3. Maki Avellevich 6 February 2020 07: 04 New
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        But what's the difference with a cross on the neck or without? !!! I am an atheist and I know that according to the teachings God is in your heart, in your soul!

        This is a metaphor for the loss of morality / code of society. the wearing of attributes is finite, although the disappearance of ones is a sign of the beginning of changes.
  • Nick 5 February 2020 18: 18 New
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    Yes, so that the elite had a legitimate and universal excuse:
    “God knows him!”

    Third Commandment:
    They did not accept the name of the Lord your God in vain
    1. Ingvar 72 5 February 2020 19: 29 New
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      They did not accept the name of the Lord your God in vain

      And nobody called the name of God! wink
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        To joke on this subject is dangerous.
      2. Maki Avellevich 6 February 2020 07: 05 New
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        And nobody called the name of God!

        writing his name is also considered. it is possible so - Gd wink

        We believers generally write only one letter - 'ה, and pronounce
        words that are accepted as a substitute. it is customary to pronounce the real word when reading the Book and during prayers.

        example substitute name:
        Name, Lord (mine), Father in Heaven, King of Kings and many more options
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          Quote: Maki Avellevich
          writing his name is also considered. may be so - Gd

          God as a word is not considered a name, God is the name of a higher mind, or creator or something. But this is not a name. The ancient Mayans had the same gods; the Indians had the same gods. The Jews also have the name of God, or rather, even several names. Here, the Greek god Zeus has a name Zeus, and God is rather the name of a creature.
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            God as a word is not considered a name, God is the name of a higher mind, or creator or something. But this is not a name. The ancient Mayans had the same gods; the Indians had the same gods.

            I don’t know how Indians and Greeks are. I'm talking about the Jews.
  • fif21 5 February 2020 19: 39 New
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    Why mention God in the Constitution?

    Is it not written in the Constitution that the church is separated from the state? The Constitution, this is the basic law of the country! And faith in Christ, Allah, Buddha, the god Kuzyu .... the matter is purely personal, and the state does not have the right to establish by law the obligation of a citizen to believe in God! I know only one thing, there are no unbelievers in the trenches! hi
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    Offer an alternative ideology ... Without it you can’t .... A holy place does not happen empty ... Look around. And we already have classmates with two mothers of children ... This is a fact.
  • Llur 6 February 2020 01: 59 New
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    We will not pull ourselves up.

    We have already pulled ourselves up. The lack of Soviet ideology + the absence of a social state (and does someone else believe in Dima?) + Destroyed industry and a raw material economy = death of Russia. The population is rapidly dying, and the living are leaving the country.
  • carstorm 11 5 February 2020 18: 02 New
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    I don’t know what is there and who is planting, but visit the nearest Temple on Easter. marvel at the number of people. I married my daughter's baptized. educate as we were taught. and I don’t know about my extensive acquaintances, not a single person who at least somehow resembles that described) is not so sad. Morality - accepted in society ideas about good and bad, right and wrong, good and evil, as well as a set of norms of behavior arising from these ideas. but we don’t need to forget that our parents didn’t consider us an example of morality either; it all depends on what we teach our children. but how will they express it we still don’t understand) 500 years ago it was immoral to burn at the stake? the world is changing rapidly. the main thing for us to understand is what we do)
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      the main thing for us to understand is what we do)

      Live! In all honesty! And in the commandments of the Bible, it does not matter either in the charter of the CPSU. Then, before and after death, life will judge who you are and what it was. What kind of memory did people leave for their kind.
      1. carstorm 11 5 February 2020 18: 36 New
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        Well, I actually meant it) we were taught this by parents and we teach our children. I don’t know what should hit me in the head so that I forget the traditional values ​​and don’t show my daughters) for me, of course, that they don’t grow at all and especially the boys do not appear, but here I’m in flight, of course)
      2. swzero 5 February 2020 19: 21 New
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        conscience and memory the concept is loose, someone leaves mansions, accounts, yachts, etc. in memory of the family :) Great memory!
        1. Mar.Tirah 5 February 2020 19: 37 New
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          Great memory!

          Hardly. Even these mansions, yachts are not eternal. I know some of the rich, they are not very happy about their lifestyle, be on the alert all the time. Very many end badly, and people’s memory is vile, which is then passed on by inheritance .
      3. fif21 5 February 2020 19: 42 New
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        Live! By conscience!

        good good Golden words!
      4. AleBors 5 February 2020 20: 04 New
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        Conscience is a subjective concept. The commandments are for everyone. And after life, it will be too late to regret anything. Because life is like a supermarket, take what you want, only the cash desk is ahead ...
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        You, dear, ask, what is conscience? Take an interest in how it (conscience) can be burned, and, at all ...
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          You, dear, what are you talking about? Conscience is the voice of God. And if you destroy His voice in yourself, then you can stop being a man.
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      Dmitry, you yourself 30 years ago, remember us all here, starting from the very top .... all these members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union changed their past in the past and here, on command from everyone, they’ll break their foreheads for Easter ... hypocrisy is all. nasty
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        I don’t know how others are, and I have a village mom and icons hung in her grandmother’s house and she always told me a lot about this) not an orthodox but sometimes I go to services just to clean my head. for some reason it happens there successfully. everyone there is probably looking for his own.
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          I give good advice - do not look for your own, especially if you are baptized ... it is dangerous.
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          It is said: seek and find, ask, and it will be given to you ...
      2. AleBors 5 February 2020 20: 06 New
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        God gives everyone the opportunity to change and repent. And the communist and even the criminal. Do you know who was the first to enter paradise? The prudent robber. And about breaking their foreheads for Easter. On Sundays and holidays, bowing is forbidden))
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        hypocrisy is everything. nasty

        Hypocrisy now, hypocrisy 30 years ago. Always disgusting.
    3. Ingvar 72 5 February 2020 19: 40 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      but visit the nearest temple in Easter

      You know, I am skeptical about the number of people attending temples, many go for pro forma. request I went. Type attributed sins, and well, to sin in a new way. In our Togliatti, VAZ members joked when they built a chapel near the factory - such as the authorities are filling in sins.
      And the moral character of some priests sometimes causes great doubts whether it is worth going to church after what they have seen. And the price lists in the churches do not favor the increase of REAL believers.
      But globally, the church with morality in society is indirectly connected, because, as already stated above, the Union with morality was much better than in states with a very pious population. After all, take at least Mexico - everything is completely true Catholics, but it’s better not to remember morality there. hi
      1. AleBors 5 February 2020 20: 10 New
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        Have you been in a temple for a long time? Well, so to speak so clearly? And churches, let it be known to you, are building and supporting parishioners at the expense of. And about the price lists in the church. You go to the temple ... Is it warm there ?, Candles burn, cleanly. Someone is singing, someone is cleaning. The temple pays for its utilities, garbage collection, to its employees. Here where to find money for it? And then, in any temple you will not be denied either baptism or a funeral service, even if you do not have money. This is the apostolic position.
        Something like this ...
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          Here where to find money for it?

          Does this justify setting tariffs?
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Does this justify setting tariffs?

            Quote: AleBors
            in any temple you will not be denied either baptism or a funeral service, even if you do not have money.
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              Quote: anykin
              in any temple you will not be denied either baptism or a funeral service, even if you do not have money.

              Those. at the main entrance, the price, but they won’t refuse from the front door?
              Do you yourself understand that the existence of a price already contradicts the teachings of Christ?
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            This is called a donation. No money, don’t pay. And then, no one obliges you to order, to baptize children, to bury the deceased. Do not want, do not.
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              This is called a donation.

              The donation cannot be of a certain size indicated in writing.
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                The donation cannot be of a certain size indicated in writing.

                Hmm ... Everything turns out to be possible. I’ll just quote:
                As usual since primitive times, the exchange of material assets is considered to be trade. In later ages, exchange trade gave way to trade based on the exchange of goods for money, as the equivalent of their value. Actually, this definition is so firmly entrenched in the mass consciousness that, with the reaction of reactionary scientists and economists, it has entered not only all textbooks on economics and related disciplines, but also into everyday life.

                However, economic thought does not stand still and, as you know, there is no limit to human genius. This was clearly and vividly demonstrated in July of this year by two Russian scholars: a prominent self-taught economist Vladimir Gundyaev (aka Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill) and lawyer Igor Kananovich (aka federal judge of the Khamovnichesky District Court of Moscow). They not only made an outstanding discovery, in which they proved that the exchange of goods for money is a new, hitherto unknown to science, form of public relations called by the discoverers: “mutual donation for free at the recommended price”, but also found practical use for it. In particular, His Holiness’s Compound successfully implemented a progressive scheme for distributing jewelry, consumer goods, souvenirs and other nesting dolls in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and in other charitable institutions of the cities and in the weights of our vast Motherland, in which the church shop puts up pre-sprinkled goods on the shelves. This sacrament, according to the innovative plan of the authors of the discovery, turns an inconspicuous nesting doll into a sacred object of worship, the sale of which to a visiting tourist is forbidden by the centuries-old traditions of the Orthodox Church. Therefore, a nesting doll, leaving the church shop counter, is presented to him as a gift completely free of charge, but at the recommended price, which is accepted as a counter completely free donation in the form of Bank of Russia tickets.

                http://ozpp.ru/pr/release/articles-about-new_1420.html
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        here, for some reason, many people begin to say strange things) you don’t know why people came there and they won’t get into their souls. maybe so or maybe you are very mistaken. and quantity is important because people are drawn to traditions. they’re not in a gay club, but they’re in the Temple. and the reasons are their personal. you do not need it. here's another example, have you seen how many people come to baptism in an ice hole to plunge into? Tell me, too, like a mod? and even if it’s so bad if people still continue the tradition?) it’s like little things, but very indicative.
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          Bathing in the ice hole at Baptism is not a religious rite. This is a voluntary action, not at all mandatory. Refers to folk custom.
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            I did not say the rite) I said the tradition)
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    At such rates of moral degradation in society (and in the church too), after 50 years, we will catch up.

    I think this will happen much earlier .. Now the grandmothers of the old school will leave .. if about the church. And about morality in society, everything has already degraded .. And the fruits are visible ..
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      Grandmothers of the old school are Komsomol members from the time of the Atheism. Grandmothers just won’t leave. The current glamorous d.ura will turn out to be grandmothers in the temples over time, this is just the eternal female nature and the need of an elderly woman
  • AleBors 5 February 2020 19: 56 New
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    If you do not degrade yourself and do not give it to the children, there will be nothing
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    do not worry so. and among the Tatars-Bashkirs-Dagestanis, whom the majority for some reason all consider to be Muslims by default, there are many of us who drink on Easter and eat smoked salsa (comments will now begin "especially in the army - everyone drinks and eats fat" - I know myself, for Tatar and 22 years in the army). so sho together we will be the next invasion of the geyropeytsev beat off wink soldier drinks
  • Hunter 2 5 February 2020 17: 38 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Western Europe will die within 100 years. Without any violence.

    Or The violence will begin earlier, with the appearance of the next Fuhrer! Well, what Western Europeans can do well is to genocide various Papuans!
    1. Goblin 5 February 2020 18: 00 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      Or The violence will begin earlier, with the appearance of the next Fuhrer!

      Who will be interested in sponsoring him again? .. And what is the purpose of Russia in this situation ..?
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      This requires young blood. There is a problem with her in old Europe, grandfathers will not be able to genocide anyone
  • 1959ain 5 February 2020 17: 42 New
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    The Turks already took Berlin from the beginning, the United States massively imported, after World War II, the Turks to Germany, because many Germans were killed. And now the Turks in a place with African Muslims have reached Paris. So the dream of the Turkish Sultans came true, Europe is taken and will be Muslim. am
    1. Karen 5 February 2020 18: 05 New
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      Quote: 1959ain
      And now the Turks in a place with African Muslims have reached Paris. So the dream of the Turkish Sultans came true, Europe is taken and will be Muslim.

      There was no dream as such ... There was an opportunity, but then the Turks were already tired of winning ... The first third of the 17th century. ... The Sultan once wrote to the French king, calling him only a bay so that he would not protrude, otherwise he would see the first Askyars in Paris, at the time when the last of the expedition would be still in the Bosphorus ...
    2. Goblin 5 February 2020 18: 46 New
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      So the dream of the Turkish Sultans came true, Europe is taken and will be Muslim.

      Well, the Turks in this operation, weave in the tail .. Then the process is activated by certain forces on a larger scale .. How would we not meet the Arabs in Russia in the western direction, as in Syria and Chechnya .. laughing
  • Dmitry Potapov 5 February 2020 17: 53 New
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    Eastern Europe will not survive too long. This also threatens Russia if we don’t change our minds. Another ten years or fifteen and the process will be irreversible. Religion, if you please, is also a kind of national idea, especially as Islam thought for a long time about where Islam draws strength from and came to the conclusion that one of the components of this strength is conservatism, Islamic preachers realized much faster than Christian ones what moral corruption of personality is inherent in multiculturalism and excessive tolerance.
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Islamic preachers realized much faster than Christian preachers what moral decay of the personality is in multiculturalism and excessive tolerance.

      Do not blame Christian priests. Having separated the Church, the state introduced society into a spiritual peak. In Islam, Sharia law is recognized by many states. because there traditional values ​​are not forgotten.
  • Goblin 5 February 2020 17: 57 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Western Europe will die within 100 years. Without any violence.

    And Israel, how long will Aron last ..? wink
    1. Dmitry Potapov 5 February 2020 18: 02 New
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      I think a lot longer.
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        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        I think a lot longer.

        But how long will Russia last ..? winked
        1. Dmitry Potapov 5 February 2020 18: 57 New
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          Russia is eternal! I wish I were with her!
  • Shuttle 5 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Western Europe will die within 100 years. Without any violence.

    Will not die. Nature does not tolerate emptiness. There will be new "Europeans".
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      Quote: Shuttle
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Western Europe will die within 100 years. Without any violence.

      Will not die. Nature does not tolerate emptiness. There will be new "Europeans".

      Arabs, as I understand it ...? And why does Israel need this? Again bombing, what are the costs ..))))
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        Quote: Goblin
        Arabs, as I understand it ...? And why does Israel need this? Again bombing, what are the costs ..))))

        You don’t know about the second act of this action ... There is a lot of work on the Judaization of the Arab population ... For example, they say on the radio: if in your Arab family this action / custom is traditionally celebrated from generation to generation, this means that your ancestors were Jews, they just Islamized them later, and their Jewish holiday changed ...
        So, it is possible that all these Arabs of Europe will decide in one day that they are no longer Arabs, but Jews :)
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          You do not know about the second act of this action ... There is a lot of work to Judaize the Arab population.

          And where will he be sent when Europe is sucked out on benefits? wink
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              Quote: Karen
              As always, to Moscow :)

              Moscow, as always, will start to scatter with bags to Tashkent, etc.
              Maybe I’ll burn her again. I can smell it .. wink
              But then Pozharsky with Minins will appear and then don’t be offended by “gentlemen” .. hi
      2. Shuttle 5 February 2020 18: 39 New
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        Quote: Goblin

        Arabs, as I understand it ...? And why does Israel need this? Again bombing, what are the costs ..))))

        It doesn’t matter. Maybe Arabs, maybe some dark-skinned immigrants from Africa. Or maybe some Indians, Burmese, Indonesians. Who knows what will happen in 100 years? It is important that an empty Europe will definitely not remain.
        Although now the Turks, immigrants of the Maghreb, other Near and Middle East are most likely.
        And there is France with its Algerians and other former colonies.
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          Quote: Shuttle
          Quote: Goblin

          Arabs, as I understand it ...? And why does Israel need this? Again bombing, what are the costs ..))))

          It doesn’t matter. Maybe Arabs, maybe some dark-skinned immigrants from Africa. Or maybe some Indians, Burmese, Indonesians. Who knows what will happen in 100 years? It is important that an empty Europe will definitely not remain.
          Although now the Turks, immigrants of the Maghreb, other Near and Middle East are most likely.
          And there is France with its Algerians and other former colonies.

          The main thing in this matter is that Israel prosper and be rich .... As I understand it! hi
  • Sergey39 5 February 2020 18: 18 New
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    The European Union has finally turned into a likeness of the USSR and is waiting for its same fate. And the sooner this happens, the better for them.
    1. Goblin 5 February 2020 19: 39 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      The European Union has finally turned into a likeness of the USSR and is waiting for its same fate. And the sooner this happens, the better for them.

      No matter how the new Fuhrer appeared there .. And again, will we have to clean the Russians with Russian? We were few and far and tired, especially the button officers .. angry soldier
      1. Sergey39 5 February 2020 19: 55 New
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        Where is the new Fuhrer from? Is that a bearded woman?
  • Liam 5 February 2020 20: 23 New
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    Western Europe will die within 100 years. Without any violence.

    Undoubtedly, America will fall apart and the dollar will go bankrupt. You don’t be shy and lay out the entire gentlemanly set of forum intellectual. The main thing is that there are more such pieces of complete nonsense to write and will certainly fall apart and all will die out
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      At the end of the last century, Western leaders with perseverance close to obsession, began to impose on society this newfangled policy.

      The institution of the family has been called into question, same-sex marriages, gender mixing, and other previously unthinkable things have appeared.

      Antichrist prepares his coming.
      The principle of Overton windows works well.
      It is through these "windows" that he extends his shaggy paw.
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        For the people will rise against the people and the kingdom against the kingdom; and there will be earthquakes in places, and there will be smoothness and turmoil. This is the beginning of disease.
        But you do not look after yourself, for they will bring you to trial and beat you in the synagogues, and they will put you before the rulers and kings for me, to testify before them.
        The brother will betray the brother to death, and the father - children; and the children will rise up against their parents and put them to death.
        And you will be hated by all for My name; he who endures to the end will be saved.
        (Mark 13: 8-13)
  • iouris 6 February 2020 15: 20 New
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    Western Europe will die within 100 years.

    Round numbers 50 or 100 are not credible. We need to take an example from marketers and at least replace 100 with 99.
  • TermNachTer 6 February 2020 20: 37 New
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    I think even earlier. Given that there are all kinds of LGBT, “freechild”, etc. support at the state level, then, as migrants breed like rabbits. Already about 40% of the Foance have dark skin color and a corresponding religion.
  • Amateur 5 February 2020 17: 36 New
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    With the filing of Patriarch Kirill, a debate unfolded in Russia about the inclusion of a mention of God in the Constitution

    Has the patriarch recognized Crimea as Russian and divided the property of the church in Ukraine and the pan-patriarch?
    Simferopol diocese - diocese Ukrainian Orthodox Church in Crimea, one of the three dioceses of the Moscow Patriarchate on the territory of the peninsula.
  • Lamata 5 February 2020 17: 40 New
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    These multiculturalists would be at the stake.
    1. Kuroneko 5 February 2020 17: 42 New
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      When Torquemada, I feel, you would go far.
      1. Lamata 5 February 2020 18: 14 New
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        “Well, not on a fire, on a social pension, but in the area of ​​copact residence of the Arabs.”
  • sergo1914 5 February 2020 17: 40 New
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    Buddhists will survive. They don’t care.
    1. Svarog 5 February 2020 21: 01 New
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      Quote: sergo1914
      Buddhists will survive. They don’t care.

      The only religion that does not carry the teachings of fire and sword ..
      1. Lamata 5 February 2020 21: 22 New
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        But they fought a war
      2. Hagakure 6 February 2020 11: 26 New
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        You are mistaken. Christianity did not carry at the dawn of its existence until it was perverted.
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        She carries nothing at all.
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      aha)))))) you tell the 20 millions of Chinese that the kindest do not care the Japanese cut that century
  • Pavel57 5 February 2020 17: 42 New
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    There was a time in the history of civilization when there was no Christianity.
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 18: 19 New
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      In the history of civilization, there were times when they went to mammoths with clubs.
      1. polar fox 5 February 2020 19: 04 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        In the history of civilization, there were times when they went to mammoths with clubs.

        have you seen a mammoth? at least a reconstruction? and where, I’m embarrassed to ask, would the mammoth put you in your club? It’s not worth it to foolishly ... "hunter" ...
        1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 19: 31 New
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          And it depends on how many hunters. The crowd can beat anyone.
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          Quote: polar fox
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          In the history of civilization, there were times when they went to mammoths with clubs.

          have you seen a mammoth? at least a reconstruction? and where, I’m embarrassed to ask, would the mammoth put you in your club? It’s not worth it to foolishly ... "hunter" ...


          Where did you see the living mammoth and where did he put the club in you? Intrigued. Can be more.
      2. Pavel57 7 February 2020 10: 42 New
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        When mammoths even went to the Bible was not.
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      Quote: Pavel57
      There was a time in the history of civilization when there was no Christianity.

      But God was and will be.
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      They want to amend the constitution about God and his viceroy on earth - the great ruler of Russia V.V. Putin.

      Do you want Navalny to be a ruler or Khodorkovsky, he is closer to Christ by nationality wink
  • Fishery 5 February 2020 17: 47 New
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    Well, the usual historical process, some religions fade away, others flourish, some mosques and cathedrals of Christians are on the foundations of Roman temples, all this already happened.
  • New Year day 5 February 2020 17: 55 New
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    Despite the shamelessness of priests of all ranks, for whom faith in God has become a business, we are not far away.
    1. Nick 5 February 2020 19: 02 New
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      Despite the shamelessness of priests of all ranks, for whom faith in God has become a business, we are not far away.

      You do not nod at others, but take a closer look at yourself, and ask yourself.
      1. Ingvar 72 5 February 2020 19: 52 New
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        Quote: Nick
        You do not nod at others, but take a closer look at yourself, and ask yourself.

        So he does not teach other rules of life, calling himself a servant of God. wink
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Nick
          You do not nod at others, but take a closer look at yourself, and ask yourself.

          So he does not teach other rules of life, calling himself a servant of God. wink

          Does not teach, but condemns. Condemning others, not oneself, is sin. And the priests do not teach anyone life. The teacher of Christians is the Lord. Priests only preach the Word of God and the commandments of God. This does not mean that the clergy themselves have no sin, every person is sinful.
          The Lord tells us about the priests of the time, the Pharisees: "so, all that they command you to observe, observe and do; do not do their deeds for deeds, for they speak and do not"
          This is a commandment that Christians need to remember now.
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            Quote: Nick
            Does not teach, but condemns.

            Just thinking and stating a fact
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Nick
              Does not teach, but condemns.

              Just thinking and stating a fact

              Well, you just don’t give the facts, but for this reason you don’t state either, therefore you don’t think, you’re just lying.
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      Christianity became the official religion in the Roman Empire after the commercialization of the church.
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      Oh yeah. Around my house in St. Petersburg, the 5th temple in a radius of 2 km is being completed. The nearest priest is no stranger to worldly problems; he changes his Toyota Camry, updates it with the parishioners, as soon as a new model appears on the conveyor.
      Such grace is already in the eyes of tears, however, as PGM workers parked their cars near the temples on the lawn, they park it. On church holidays, especially heartfeltly leave such a swine after themselves.
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        it touches me when my friends of acquaintances regularly go to church almost every Sunday and get baptized and somehow they pray and then pay $ 10 for parking, but no one saw him nafik .....))) like it's different ... .
        and in your spoon I was disappointed a couple))) certainly not this coloring
        1. God save the king 5 February 2020 23: 52 New
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          and in your spoon I was disappointed a couple))) certainly not this coloring
          transparency in fresh water bodies is usually far from the "crystal" of Lake Baikal, and in the water column the bait should attract with light (brilliance), and not with color.
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        Quote: Blue Fox
        The nearest priest is no stranger to worldly problems; he changes his Toyota Camry, updates it with the parishioners, as soon as a new model appears on the conveyor.

        Well, this is wonderful, I personally have long been convinced of this! Beautiful, a kind of litmus test, you can immediately see what this priest is like, we pass by such a church, we are looking for another. And what do we want from believers, if there is a feeling that the task of many priests is to quickly tarnish the service, and then whatever you want. Neither sermon nor creed, waved the censer, grandmother took, dumped. So the parishioners walk the same way they understand they defended themselves, incomprehensible muttering, they listened, sacked the loot (and what if there is Who in the world? And we had a certificate! steal, etc.
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        Envy is a bad feeling)
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      Do not slander at all. Sin is ..
  • arhitroll 5 February 2020 17: 56 New
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    In a different light, Yuri Petukhov’s novel Star Revenge begins to play. A bit clumsy style - but the essence can be seen ...

    added later: It is interesting that the same wiki does not give the plot of the last part of "Invasion from Hell", a direct plot ...
  • Prisoner 5 February 2020 18: 03 New
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    winked A ghost wanders through Europe, the ghost of Mohammed.
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      A ghost wanders through Europe, the ghost of Mohammed.

      But Mohammed loves women and he can have many wives. wink
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        But only if he can provide them. I do not envy Mohammed. And on the other hand: mother-in-law is also three.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          if he can provide them

          You understand that, but a Muslim woman is provided, he even makes our Natasha plow on himself, and not only does she plow suicide bombers, hangs explosives instead of jewelry wassat
          1. AU Ivanov. 5 February 2020 19: 24 New
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            No. A Muslim is required to provide for his wives. Therefore, they plow, if you notice, and ours are sitting on sofas more. With them, if you are not able to provide for your family, then you are not a man. Therefore, he is the head of the family, without any reservations.
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              Right. And there is
  • Simon 5 February 2020 18: 06 New
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    I think that Muslims will not tolerate tolerance in Europe - they will quickly eliminate it, since Catholicism will disappear there soon. It's my opinion.
  • WayKheThuo 5 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    It is interesting, and in what form the Patriarch wanted to include in the Constitution secular State of reference to God? The author of the article does not give any links, or did I look at something?
    1. Nick Russ 5 February 2020 19: 40 New
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      wink What's the problem?
      There are times when the state has a state religion and at the same time proclaims itself secular (England, Denmark, Egypt, Tunisia, Bangladesh and so on).
      So that everything is purely secular
      1. WayKheThuo 5 February 2020 21: 13 New
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        The question is not the problem. Indeed - it is full of states that consider themselves quite secular, but have a state religion. I asked - in what form? It’s one thing, like with Amers — and it is written on money — in God, they say, we believe. And presidents, upon assuming office, seem to take an oath on the Bible, but this does not interfere with religious freedom.
        And how is it planned with us?
        Although, from my point of view, if we take up this matter, then nothing good will come of it. And this is not a matter of people, but of the system - for the Constitution is just a legal reflection of ideology, and we don’t have one and are not expected in the near future, therefore changes to the Constitution will be exclusively clanish.
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          Here's an example:
          ,, ... We, the people of Russia, united by the will of God with a single historical fate into a great state, establish this Basic Law. ... ,,
          https://m.tsargrad.tv/articles/russkij-narod-dolzhen-zamenit-mirovoe-soobshhestvo_237429
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            Read. I do not agree. Not a word about the USSR and its fundamental role in the history of modern Russia. Plus there is an attempt to pull an owl on a globe - Russia was not
            the largest territorial state ever to exist in history
            . This title belongs to Genghis Khan and Great Britain, of course.
            Kilo, there is no megaton of unconfirmed pathos.
            I'm against.
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              You can:
              "The Russian Empire was the largest continental monarchy ever existed."
              Wikipedia smile
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      https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2020/02/01/12939446.shtml
      Are you banned on Google?
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    The Turks already took Berlin from the beginning, the United States massively imported, after World War II, the Turks to Germany, because many Germans were killed. And now the Turks in a place with African Muslims have reached Paris. So the dream of the Turkish Sultans came true, Europe is taken and will be Muslim. am

    What are you all about Europe and Europe, I found those times when Russian people lived in Moscow ...
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      What are you all about Europe and Europe, I found those times when Russian people lived in Moscow ...

      Well, we wanted to live like Europe and made a revolution in the 90s, now we live like Europe wassat
    2. Van 16 5 February 2020 20: 06 New
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      "At dawn, Russian tanks went to Moscow"
      From the story of Oleg Divov 'Standing on the Moscow River' smile
      Who has not read - read, you will not regret it.
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    But was it? Sectarianism, in all perversions, is what it is.
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      Yes, in principle, all Christianity was once considered a sect in the framework of Judaism. request
  • Artavazdych 5 February 2020 18: 24 New
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    Africans and Asians swim to Europe not because de churches are closed there. And because there is a high standard of living. And a high standard of living is a bonus of any Christian, especially West Christian culture. Who does not believe - look at the world map. Object - Japan? - this is just an embodied Marshall plan.
    Let and so far by inertia - Christianity is gone, but the standard of living is still high. While high.
    And here, in Russia, the better? "No, religion is opium for the people," "I won’t go to the temple, there are all priests on the Mercians and Maybachs, and they are all pedophiles." Parishioners in Russia are many times less than in dying Europe. From a percentage to three according to various estimates.
    For reference, parishioners are those who partake of the church at least twice a year.
    1. WayKheThuo 5 February 2020 21: 37 New
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      Let me disagree with you.
      Christianity in Europe acquired state status in the 5th century AD, under Constantine, the Roman Emperor. Christianity through its representatives - the papacy owned Europe almost completely before the Reformation - the 16th century, Martin Luther, all matters. For 1000 years, Christian Europe was not much different from the countries of the Middle East or China. Moreover, in many respects they were inferior: mathematics, astronomy, medicine in those centuries developed precisely in the Middle East, and compass, paper, silk and gunpowder are China.
      BUT! Klvin came for Luther, and with him - "specified" Protestantism for which I quote: "... Capital was God ..., the ritual was labor, and luck was Divine grace ...". As a result, according to Max Weber, the result is a religion - Capitalism. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjxH77c4M8k&list=LLfAFaAWWFDei6OIsJAxMP7g&index=42
      By the way, there is an opinion (Kuksin “Istoriya Christianity” - stomp the video) that neither Catholics nor Orthodox consider Protestants to be Christians.
      And then, the new religion, Capitalism, and led the West into world leaders, and not at all "classical" Christianity, "Western Christianity", as you called it.
      So it goes.
      1. Artavazdych 5 February 2020 22: 12 New
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        Think about it yourself. Worn with this China - silk, paper, compass. And it's all?! For more than 3 thousand years?
        Moreover - there are facts that the compass in Byzantium appeared a little earlier than in China. So, it was Byzantium, and not the Middle East, as we liked to paint in Soviet textbooks, that was the center of medicine, science, and culture of that time. And Byzantium itself, according to Soviet historiology, did not seem to exist at all. So, a temporary fragment of Rome ...
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        And the fact that for Protestants God is money ...
        The standard of living in the Catholic part of Germany for centuries is significantly higher than in the Protestant one, and this negates all attempts to explain this logically.
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        In the 4th century ...
        1. WayKheThuo 6 February 2020 15: 33 New
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          I see the situation like this: for more than 1000 years, Christianity has dominated Europe well and there has not been a special “movement” in terms of technological progress. And then the industrial revolution began (18th century). If you rummage around on the Web, the main factors that determined the success of this revolution were mainly social: courts and private property, low lending rates, the emergence of a land market, the development of science, and more. That is, Christianity seems to have nothing to do with it directly, but the UK is considered the birthplace of the industrial revolution, in which Protestantism, in particular, is the official religion.
          So it goes.
    2. Pissarro 11 February 2020 09: 56 New
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      From a percentage to three according to various estimates.
      For reference, parishioners are those who partake of the church at least twice a year.

      You go to a crowded church for a holiday and explain to others that they are not real parishioners and Christians. And find such a crowded temple in Old Europe.
      1. Artavazdych 11 February 2020 17: 59 New
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        I do not like your impudent message, however I will answer you. Because I myself am in a crowded church every Sunday and every holiday. Specifically, in the temple where I am, a maximum of about 1000 people are accommodated. The population of the city is about 40000 people. There is another temple for 700 people. About a third of those present - looking there by chance, such as "put a candle." And it was jammed 20-25 years ago. Now this is only twice a year, on Easter and Christmas. The rest of the time you can move relatively freely inside.
        This is in the province. In megacities, statistics are even more convincing. So consider it.
  • 7,62h54 5 February 2020 18: 28 New
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    Why is opium for the people?
  • Shuttle 5 February 2020 18: 36 New
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    In general, the cooling of Europeans (and not only them) to religion as such occurs inevitably with the development of productive forces. On the territory of the former USSR in the 90s, there was a sharp and strong degradation of just them, i.e. productive forces. Together with them there was a certain leap in religiosity. When productive forces develop again, interest in religion again inevitably falls. This does not characterize either religion (s) or citizens. This is an objective (i.e., observable and independent of the observer) pattern.
    Therefore, Westerners all their life called the USSR godless. Therefore, Middle Eastern residents call Westerners atheists.
    And by the way, the number of believers in Western countries began to fall not in the 90s, not in the 80s, but much, much earlier. For example, there is documentary evidence of members of ISCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness) that often enough for their activities they rented abandoned church buildings in England. I can provide links because I have a direct relationship with this society.
    In other words, the more people have free time, the less they are mostly interested in the existential issues of their own being. And consequently, questions of the meaning of life that inevitably go beyond the framework of one's own existence. The more they are busy with issues ... the implementation of ample opportunities for pleasure. Although there are some exceptions. Everything as usual.
  • rocket757 5 February 2020 18: 38 New
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    With the filing of Patriarch Kirill, a debate unfolded in Russia about the inclusion of a mention of God in the Constitution. In a number of Western countries there is such a record.

    No need to change anything!
    God, godly ... and we, MATERIALISTS, do not have to pull our mustache.
    We remain each with his own ... among the believers TEMPLE, and we have a SECRET STATE!
    By the way, the author, to us from the west, a lot of all sorts of other ... different dragged, ENOUGH!
    1. Goblin 5 February 2020 18: 58 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      With the filing of Patriarch Kirill, a debate unfolded in Russia about the inclusion of a mention of God in the Constitution. In a number of Western countries there is such a record.

      No need to change anything!
      God, godly ... and we, MATERIALISTS, do not have to pull our mustache.
      We remain each with his own ... among the believers TEMPLE, and we have a SECRET STATE!
      By the way, the author, to us from the west, a lot of all sorts of other ... different dragged, ENOUGH!

      Victor, do not succumb to the provocation of the neoliberals ..!
      No one is going to raise the Russian Orthodox Church in power .... It’s more and more complicated. Orthodoxy is still the spiritual foundation of Russia and still is ..
      Now, if it is destroyed, defamed, sanctioned (imposed exorbitant taxes in Jerusalem), etc. ..This will finally destroy and embroil all of the remaining Russians in Russia .. And then .. Any sects will rush to us, remember the 90s that happened ..
      In Orthodoxy, faith is not imposed and is not forced to go to churches .. EVERYTHING is on a voluntary basis And the Church is separated from the State!
      Everything else is provocations supposedly divide and conquer!
      That's something like this .. expressed emotionally, just tired of this persecution of our souls in Russia.
      1. rocket757 5 February 2020 20: 09 New
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        All remain with their own!
        And once again I remind you that you don’t have to pull the materialists for a mustache, they easily turn into warlike atheists ..... by the way, you don’t need to teach them either, for the same reasons.
        1. AleBors 6 February 2020 16: 00 New
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          "Patriarch Kirill proposed introducing God into the Constitution of the Russian Federation. According to him, this will correspond to the beliefs of most Russians. It is not only about Orthodox believers, but also about Muslims and representatives of other faiths, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church explained" (c)
          Wh and about atheists.
          1. rocket757 6 February 2020 18: 23 New
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            People are sometimes mistaken .....
    2. Nick Russ 5 February 2020 22: 08 New
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      Materialism-atheism also came from the west.
      1. rocket757 6 February 2020 05: 05 New
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        That’s why it’s common sense to select the best, the most useful and not to plunge into any indecent.
        1. Nick Russ 6 February 2020 06: 52 New
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          Materialism is a slap.
          And it is useful only in one case: “If there is no God, everything is allowed”
          F. M. Dostoevsky
          1. rocket757 6 February 2020 06: 57 New
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            HEALTH MEANING clearly tells me that IT IS NOT ALLOWED!
            Who does not think so .... with common sense he does not ah.
            1. Nick Russ 6 February 2020 07: 44 New
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              And what will stop a person if he feels impunity? Conscience? But conscience is part of the soul, and if we are only meat and bones, then conscience does not exist. This is all fiction.
              1. rocket757 6 February 2020 08: 15 New
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                It’s not interesting, we drove ... yes, study the Criminal Code, there IS everything!
                By the way, against Christian and other virtues I have NOTHING! almost everything is right there, almost like in the Criminal Code.
                1. Nick Russ 6 February 2020 08: 56 New
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                  Something uk does not stop officials from stealing the budget
                  wink
                  1. rocket757 6 February 2020 10: 38 New
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                    HA, and religious virtues interfere ??? Straight, straight, are all religious people so white and fluffy?
                    It depends on the person himself how he was brought up and what rules, frameworks he chose for himself!
                    1. Nick Russ 6 February 2020 10: 53 New
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                      Do not steal — not virtue, but the commandment, violating which a person dies with his soul. That is, hell begins even during life, and after the death of the body, the torment simply increases, since the pain will have nothing to drown out, since there will be no vodka, no drugs, no women, no spectacles, no power, no glory. And there will be ,, only crying and gnashing of teeth ,,.
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                        All come ....
                      2. Nick Russ 6 February 2020 11: 19 New
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                        What do you think? An old grandfather sits on a cloud and distributes someone to hell, someone to paradise? laughing
                        The commandment is like a warning on a high-voltage shield: “Don’t go, kill!” And we ourselves choose — hell and heaven.
                    2. Hagakure 6 February 2020 11: 34 New
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                      DO NOT argue with materialists and atheists - it is harmful.
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                      A very strange and controversial statement.
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                      Strange and controversial for a person far from the Church, faith and Christ ... Many Holy Fathers write about this, but for you this is still controversial and strange ... for now ...
                    5. Pissarro 13 February 2020 09: 10 New
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                      I’m not far from the Church, faith and Christ. And I think that in the era of militant atheism, it is easy to take and shut up an extremely harmful policy. The word of God should not sound in the catacombs, live, in society, in the army, at school. The apostles went to spread it to the non-Christian world. Listen to you, there would be no Christianity.
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                      You famously turned everything upside down. And how are you going to preach Christianity if you have the most vague ideas about it (judging by what you wrote to me)? There are people who are put on this - Osipov, Smirnov, Tkachev and others, and I am not weak to preach. Live as a Christian more than enough. "Save yourself and thousands will be saved around you." - Sarovsky S. ... do not answer, please, I’m not going to polemicize. God give you.
  • AleBors 6 February 2020 15: 58 New
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    You do not forget to write somewhere so that the words “God-preserved native land” are removed from the anthem of the Russian Federation. Offer in exchange something secular.
  • Operator 5 February 2020 19: 03 New
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    The atheism of most Europeans is the seeds. Sodomy among the few remaining, so far calling themselves Christians - this is the real end of European civilization.

    Army Contract Advertising: Be Trending laughing

  • iouris 5 February 2020 19: 09 New
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    Without a cross on the neck and without a king in their head, they abandoned the conquests and dissolved the USSR. They got a civil war, the rise of Nazism in "civilized Europe, ISIS, and, typically, a crisis of Orthodoxy, which was not under" godless power ".
  • minby 5 February 2020 19: 30 New
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    Of course, this is not news, but you are shocked by this! People without faith - how is it? It is like an empty vessel, only a shell, and inside there is a void. Horror!
  • Romka 5 February 2020 19: 34 New
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    Here on the site recently often in Poland "pass". So this country is a kind of "Christian Mecca." Now, not every Sunday supermarkets work (not a single one in the future), the most stringent legislation on abortion in Europe, Sunday schools for children, and indeed, traditional Christian customs are very strong.
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      Here on the site recently often in Poland "pass". So this country is a kind of "Christian Mecca."


      There, even in Soviet times, in the 80s on Sundays in the church it was not crowded. Somehow we went foolishly there for educational purposes, hastened to retire)
      Although with all this, in my opinion, the people there are rather frivolous, I mean the freedom of morals.
      And very arrogant.
    2. Hagakure 6 February 2020 11: 38 New
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      There are Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Italy, where religion has deep roots and influence, on the one hand, and the Czech Republic, France, Holland on the other, Europe is not homogeneous in this regard.
  • Sapsan136 5 February 2020 20: 00 New
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    The rejection of Christianity is facilitated by the behavior of priests themselves, living for themselves, and not to help those suffering, and this applies to all religions ... The number of atheists will increase ...
    1. God save the king 5 February 2020 23: 31 New
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      Priests behaved in a similar way ALWAYS.
      And Christianity (and any other religion) in developed countries destroyed mass education.
      1. Victor Orthodox 6 February 2020 04: 29 New
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        Quote: God save the King
        Priests behaved in a similar way ALWAYS.
        And Christianity (and any other religion) in developed countries destroyed mass education.

        And mass education brought Christianity to the world. Education in general does not interfere with faith, on the contrary, especially in the light of recent studies, where it turned out that everything is not so simple in the world as it was thought
    2. AleBors 6 February 2020 16: 03 New
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      I don’t know any such priest ...
      1. Romka 6 February 2020 20: 02 New
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        I don’t know who you mean, but I knew one priest. This is priests Juozas Bulka. He baptized me. A man with a capital letter . He really spent all his savings for people and the church. For example, having received a presidential award, he paved the asphalt to the village with this money. After death, he personally found only a set of removable underwear, it was really a holy man. Unfortunately today I do not know such people. You are not too lazy, google the village of Mosar, the church of St. Anne.
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          Thank you, about the Catholics told. I am talking about modern Orthodox priests. How many I know, not one prosperous.
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            I am talking about modern Orthodox priests. How many I know, not one prosperous.

            Bullshit question.
  • rocket757 5 February 2020 20: 14 New
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    It is enough to be a sane person, it is not necessary to go to extremes. That religious fanaticism, that warlike atheism, brings nothing good to us, the world.
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      Quote: rocket757
      It is enough to be a sane person, it is not necessary to go to extremes. That religious fanaticism, that warlike atheism, brings nothing good to us, the world.

      It is remarkably said ... it is for this reason that Buddhism impresses me)) Perhaps the only religion that carries its teachings without shedding blood .. The Dalai Lama was asked why he did not promote Buddhism in Russia, to which he replied that Russia has its own wonderful religion, Christianity .. why promote Buddhism .. In this answer, the philosophy of Buddhism .. hi
      1. rocket757 5 February 2020 21: 16 New
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        Nobody climbs anywhere, it's time to end.
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        Baptized Buddhist?
  • God save the king 5 February 2020 23: 40 New
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    Europe is rotting, the USA is threatened with a Yellowstone explosion, and meanwhile Russia is only getting stronger, soon we will have no competitors left.
    So we will revive the former power, you just have to wait.
  • Kelwin 5 February 2020 23: 49 New
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    C'mon, do not forget. It’s good to hang noodles on your ears. Author - name the source of income of the Russian Orthodox Church for example. Can you even imagine what kind of grandmothers are spinning there? And where is all this reflected? When all this crappy system breaks down, many will be very surprised where the bird came from at the fifth point.
    1. canurodes 6 February 2020 10: 30 New
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      You first find out where the cash register of the CPSU with a source of income from its members on a state scale. And where is all this reflected? Many were already surprised when this ear collapsed on clay feet, there was no bird, but everyone saw Bork on the tank
      1. Kelwin 6 February 2020 14: 51 New
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        With the CPSU, it is more or less clear, at least with sources, the whole country is in your pocket. And where are these from? Thousands of churches, tens of thousands of other objects, they generally don’t count money ... over the past five years they built 300 churches in Moscow time. What kind of shisha is unclear. The swindlers are still. There wouldn’t be a building with hospitals, nevermind there ...
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    Christian faith everywhere needs urgent strengthening with knowledge.
  • Lexus 6 February 2020 04: 05 New
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    There are too many opportunities and temptation for near-religious leaders to put “blind faith” in their service and use for mercenary, unseemly purposes, lull the mind with mantras and suppress the will with tolerance, strangle / trample the person with a “crowd” of novices and replace reality with unrealizable promises. It is regrettable that they shamelessly use this gesheft, irresponsibly threatening dissenters with all kinds of punishments from someone else's Name.
    As for me, I value disproportionately more conscience in my soul, striving for creation in my heart, confidence in my neighbor. And then there is absolutely no difference that a person is "hanging" somewhere, and what kind of tribe he is.
  • Victor Orthodox 6 February 2020 04: 18 New
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    the temples have a beautiful, interesting atmosphere, I visit with pleasure for excursion purposes, but education and a critical mindset do not allow believing in stupidity.

    Your education is strange. Education, if scientific, cannot deny the existence of God.
    Regarding critical thinking that does not allow one to believe, it’s quite simple here, within the framework of self-education, to go with a high-quality, Orthodox tour of the Golden Ring of Russia, churches, monasteries, listen to the manifestations of God, which are very many in our Orthodox Church, can to feel. It is important to travel with an Orthodox tour so that they tell about God there, about faith, and not just about architectural monuments.
    After such excursions, many dodge or at least do not deny the opportunity.
  • Victor Orthodox 6 February 2020 04: 20 New
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    Quote: Givi_49
    Christian faith everywhere needs urgent strengthening with knowledge.

    Priests are usually educated an order of magnitude better than in the world.
  • nikvic46 6 February 2020 07: 04 New
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    The peoples gradually came to Christianity. It took hundreds of years to form. And where politics intervened, the country had a very bleak consequence. Peter the Great managed to create a new faith. Later convinced Catholics came to power, although they pretended to believe in the Russian church.
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    Quote: Goblin
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    Quote: Goblin

    Arabs, as I understand it ...? And why does Israel need this? Again bombing, what are the costs ..))))

    It doesn’t matter. Maybe Arabs, maybe some dark-skinned immigrants from Africa. Or maybe some Indians, Burmese, Indonesians. Who knows what will happen in 100 years? It is important that an empty Europe will definitely not remain.
    Although now the Turks, immigrants of the Maghreb, other Near and Middle East are most likely.
    And there is France with its Algerians and other former colonies.

    The main thing in this matter is that Israel prosper and be rich .... As I understand it! hi

    You see, Israel is not to blame for all troubles. Something still happens without him.
  • Million 6 February 2020 08: 04 New
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    Soon кthey will change the constitution and we will have a new god
  • oracul 6 February 2020 08: 13 New
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    A normal person always gravitates to something ideal and blameless whether it is a person (a man or a woman is not so important) who has become his idol in any sphere of life or whether he is a god whose attitude is based solely on unconditional faith in him. To believe or not to believe in God is the free choice of each person. The advantage of God in the ideality of his image, created over thousands of years, which was not and could not be discredited by the human passions of worshipers - reformation, inquisition, schisms, their pernicious vices, because time put everything in its place. The number of images of God is generated by the peculiarities of the existence of peoples, of specific individuals who shape his image and preach on his behalf. The vulnerability of religion is that it requires the flock to unconditional faith in the omnipotence of God, the unfulfilled wishes of specific people are transferred to the other world (afterlife). It is much more difficult to believe in a man with his passions, which combine, at first glance, the unthinkable: faith in the ideal and faith in the possibilities of the thinker. Someone will not like it, but being determines consciousness and scientific and technological progress with its breakthrough technologies in the last centuries, many people think about faith in God and faith in man, i.e. atheism. And the truth, as always in the middle.
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    And then there was a war with the Japanese
    They are us shells, and we are their icons.
  • L-39NG 6 February 2020 10: 46 New
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    If you don’t go to church to pray to God, then you are a bad communist.
  • L-39NG 6 February 2020 10: 53 New
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    The Jews have Passover, the Orthodox Easter, the Muslim Isaah ibn Maryam al-Masih (Arabic: عيسى ابن مريم - Jesus the son of Mary), the Orthodox Jesus the son of Mary. And then the same.
  • CBR600 6 February 2020 11: 41 New
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    Feminism and rampant matriarchy are the reasons for the departure of any religion, and with it the nation from the territory (read-extinction). Enforcing anti-patriarchal laws for the good of capital. All this is a hidden genocide of politicians in the name of the bobla, because it’s easier (no need to work, build something there), theft is easier. The consequence is the end of Christian civilization. If further, rampant Islam with the exchange of nuclear strikes for the disputed territories. For the Muslims create a principle-treaty to violate them. Everything, the end of Christmas =))