Shoigu presented awards to the last Minister of Defense of the USSR

The head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu personally visited the last head of the defense department of the Soviet Union Dmitry Timofeevich Yazov to award him with the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, XNUMXrd class. The award was awarded to Marshal of the USSR for the development of veteran organizations and effective work on the military-patriotic education of the younger generation.

In addition, Sergey Shoigu awarded Dmitry Timofeevich with the jubilee medal “75 years of Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945”, since Yazov took part in the war since 1942, when he was only 17 years old. The future Minister of Defense then added one year to his age in order to be in military service in November 1941. Yazov got into the army in July 1942, was twice seriously wounded and received the Order of the Red Star for his services.

From 1987 to 1991, Dmitry Timofeevich Yazov served as Minister of Defense of the Soviet Union. Last fall, he turned 95 years old.

During the visit, the acting Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu thanked Dmitry Timofeevich for his activities, wished the only living Marshal of the Soviet Union good health and presented him with the book “History Russian state ”, written by Nikolai Karamzin.

Comments

[Hunter 2]

Good deal! Yazov - Worthy! The last Marshal of the USSR!

[1959ain]

Quote: Hunter 2

Good deal! Yazov - Worthy! The last Marshal of the USSR!

This is who, together with Gorbatov, lost the country to Pyanitsa Yeltsin. Yes, the cadres decide everything, Stalin said, but at the end of the USSR, they crushed it so .......

[Olgovich]

Quote: 1959ain

This is who with Humpback,.

Is he-veteran of the Great Patriotic War, war veteran, comfrey.

Therefore, it deserves all respect and reverence.

[1959ain]

Quote: Olgovich

He is a veteran of the Second World War, a front-line soldier, comfrey.

Therefore, it deserves all respect and reverence.

His main merit is that he lost to Yeltsin and, together with Gorbachev, Kryuchkov, Yanaev, surrendered to the USSR.

[Olgovich]

Quote: 1959ain

His main merit is that he lost to Yeltsin and, together with Gorbachev, Kryuchkov, Yanaev, surrendered to the USSR.

He was NOT a politician, but Minister of Defense. And this ministry has other tasks that he dealt with.

[1959ain]

And why did he lead stupid troops to Moscow, Yes Pasha-Mercedes

Quote: Olgovich

He was NOT a politician, but a minister of defense. And this ministry has other tasks that he dealt with.

And why did he lead stupid, troops to Moscow, Yes, Pasha Mercedes. Grachev, found in 1993, 2 tanks and shot, White House and Parliament

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 1959ain

And why did he lead stupid troops to Moscow, Yes Pasha-Mercedes

He carried out the ORDER.
If you remember what it is

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lipchanin

He carried out the ORDER.

Who! Pasha Mercedes? Whose order did he follow?

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

There was no democratic experience in using a rubber club, shooting with rubber bullets and firing gas.

[iouris]

Quote: Olgovich

He was NOT a politician, but a minister of defense.

A minister is a politician. He actively influences the formation and implements policies in a specific area. "Non-politicians" in this position are hucksters.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: iouris

The minister is a politician.

All ministers and politicians?
Well then, all the politicians as ministers?
I imagined

This is much better

[Smerd]

A long-sex baggy robe when working on a lathe?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Smerd

A long-sex baggy robe when working on a lathe?

Well Duc is Ksenia
She doesn’t get it right

[Grits]

Quote: Smerd

A long-sex baggy robe when working on a lathe?

For this "worker" such a robe is just that. You can even allow her a wide belt with hanging ends and a long braid without a headscarf.

[skif8013]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Smerd

A long-sex baggy robe when working on a lathe?

For this "worker" such a robe is just that. You can even allow her a wide belt with hanging ends and a long braid without a headscarf.

still a robe in a strip.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: skif8013

still a robe in a strip.

The very thing

[Grits]

Quote: skif8013

still a robe in a strip.

And the show is called "Barack 2"

[beeper]

As a seasoned machine-builder, I think I understood the "black humor" of discussing the details of "Ksyusha's at the lathe" clothes!
It vividly reminded me of an old Soviet film about the counter-revolutionary conspiracy of the Socialist-Revolutionaries, about Savinkov ..... There was a scene of a gathering in a safe apartment and an episode of strangling with the hands of a conspirator who was about to escape, who suddenly doubted the success of the "enterprise." Maybe someone also remembers this piercing phrase from the accomplices of the murder: "Press him for the bull's-eye, for the bull's-eye!" ...
So is "about Ksyusha's photo" ... in my opinion, it will be enough that the cuffs of the sleeves of her hypothetical dressing gown are not tied up and hang freely - the machine is powerful (in appearance it is the good old DIP-300), so if anything, it will easily "wrap around the cartridge", if the material of the robe is still strong and it is not sewn with rotten threads ...
After all, even in the correct overalls, with a loss of caution and disregard of the safety rules, even with experienced workers there are similar cases of "sticking" with a working machine, alas, I had to see this ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: pishchak

if the material of the dressing gown is still strong and it is not sewn with rotten threads ...

And it is necessary to ask Khodorkovsky what he sewed there.

[iouris]

Quote: Lipchanin

This is much better

This is the future president of your state (very likely). Of the workers.

[Rjkley]

I’ll add from myself - GKChP - it was a great performance, written beforehand for the final !!! and the Armed Forces of the Moscow Region (led by Yazov DT) was played blindly !!!!

[Vita vko]

Quote: 1959ain

he lost to Yeltsin and, together with Gorbachev, Kryuchkov, Yanaev, surrendered to the USSR.

No need to shift everything from a sick head to a healthy one. There was a referendum of 1991 where the vast majority of the population voted to preserve the USSR. The fact that people were deceived was already clear in '92. However, everyone preferred to remain silent, no protests have been and are not now. Moreover, not a single party now recalls that on this issue both then and now it goes against the will of the majority of the people, supporting the independence of the CIS countries. If the people agree with this, then in any case it is worthy of the government that is.

[Trigger-Happy]

Quote: 1959ain

His main merit is that he lost to Yeltsin and, together with Gorbachev, Kryuchkov, Yanaev, surrendered to the USSR.

not so simple. In that situation, he, I think, did not have much room for maneuver, rather two — either to crush and become a murderer, or not and become a traitor in the eyes of many, he chose the second and thanks for that. One good person who finds himself in the wrong place at the wrong time cannot change the motion vectors of a huge country rolling towards collapse. Look, he sits amid a rather simple atmosphere, apparently in his apartment, without golden candelabra, in contrast to his award. I am sure that this Tuvinian would have rolled into the asphalt more than one thousand of such demonstrators and would not even hesitate in giving orders. Dmitry Timofeevich did not do this!

[1959ain]

Quote: Trigger-Happy

Dmitry Timofeevich did not do this!

They could find a sniper for the alcoholic Yeltsin, even Raguli from Ukraine found snipers. Yeltsin had an alcoholic, a sniper, special forces of the Telecentre Ostankino, was about to surrender to the communists in 93, he even launched negotiators about surrendering to the protesters. They stood against each other, the Communists persuaded the soldiers to lower their weapons and surrender, but a shot came from a nearby building and even hit one of the soldiers, panic shooting and Yeltsin on horseback. Here it is, do not care, and the Whole General Makashnov turned out to be a paper Tiger, which Ostankino could not take. So frames decide everything. Take Avakov in Ukraine, they said that he was gay, and as Ukraine holds, Ukraine would have collapsed long ago without him. And the Gay who took Mariupol. Our generals lose to Gays and Alcoholics. Just like 1917, our generals lost to Trotsky and Lenin, who had no military education.

[mavrus]

Did your generals lose to Trotsky and Lenin?
Are you talking about Krasnov, Shkuro, Kutepov and others?

[1959ain]

I’m talking about Russian generals who turned out to be paper tigers, and who have one crinkle and then only a trace of a hat.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Type in the search-Why tsarist generals supported Lenin.

[1959ain]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Type in the search-Why tsarist generals supported Lenin.

Yes, I know. Interestingly, all aristocrats like Brusilov held communists, even lined up for registration with komunyaks, silently tolerated Trotsky tearing their wives hostage. And peasant-born generals, Kornilov, Denikin, were already fighting the Communists, even then the degradation of Russian officers was visible.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And I think the Russian General Staff and the Russian counterintelligence already knew the plans of our partners. Therefore, they brought the Bolsheviks to power to stop the collapse and sale of the country. If we talk about degradation, then white movement officers betrayed Russia! They then fought for world imperialism and its money! And some of the participants in the white movement were on the side of Hitler.

[Technologist]

He himself voted for the bruise and rejoiced in freedom, huh?

[1959ain]

Quote: Technologist

Go and vote for the bruise and rejoiced in freedom, and

I didn’t vote, but I didn’t do anything either, but for people like me silent people and revolution

[Serg65]

Quote: Trigger-Happy

Dmitry Timofeevich did not do this!

And how did his "adherence to principles" end?

[Aviator_]

The Chinese were smart enough to wind their rebuilders on the tracks in Tiananmen Square, and the PRC remained a great country. And in our country, unfortunately, the preservation of the Great Country is now suddenly considered immoral. To wind several liberals around the tracks, it turns out, is a "murder". Well, the whole army exists for this purpose, to either kill or threaten to kill, this is a medical fact. There is no need to praise Yazov - at his highest post, he showed criminal inaction.

[NordUral]

I agree that Yazov’s life is modest, which characterizes him as a person, but not as the Minister of Defense of a great country.
Now, in essence, he didn’t have to bury the people, but arrest and isolate the instigators of the coup, and Gorbachev’s arrest was then an attempted coup. And, first of all, to neutralize the top of the KGB, since this service was sitting either silently, or participated in this. And it doesn’t matter whether it, like the GKChP, was the smoke screen of collapse, or real.
Just isolate and immobilize, and then understand. And there would be no sacrifice, and the Union would be alive.
And after real reforms, it would become stronger and fairer.
What we are now is a raw material outskirts without industry and science almost. It is painful and embarrassing.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 1959ain

that he lost to Yeltsin

Was he supposed to go to the bayonet?
He is a MILITARY, not a politician.
His business is to increase the country's defenses, and not to bind them in political squabbles.
Zhukov, too, put a hand to the coming of the maize to power. How did he thank him to remind?

[Serg65]

Quote: Lipchanin

His business is to increase the country's defenses

My namesake, with all due respect, after the summer of the 91st in the exercises in the Odesa District, I saw Yazov cunning before Gorbaty, looked into his eyes and dust from his shoulders, so my attitude towards him changed dramatically!

Quote: Lipchanin

not to get involved in political squabbles.

Then what the fuck is he in the GKChP?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Serg65

how Yazov cuddled before Gorbaty, how he looked into his eyes and blew dust off his shoulders, so my attitude towards him changed dramatically!

Actually then, before all the general secretaries, everyone was flattering.
It was accepted that way. They didn’t keep others near

Then what the fuck is he in the GKChP?

Yes, no one rummaged there.
What have they done other than bring in troops?
Full zilch

[Serg65]

Quote: Lipchanin

It was accepted

Varennikov didn’t seem like that to me, and Gorshkov also remembered the same articulation, for which he was removed ..

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Serg65

Varennikov didn’t seem so to me,

Have you seen how he communicated with the general secretaries?

[Serg65]

Quote: Lipchanin

Have you seen how he communicated with the general secretaries?

I have not seen, I will not lie. But he saw how he communicated with Gurenko and Kravchuk!

[iouris]

Quote: Serg65

Varennikov did not seem so to me

All turned out to be one ointment (except for those who were killed). Russian generals (unlike German ones) have no policies.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: 1959ain

that he lost to Yeltsin

Was he supposed to go to the bayonet?
He is a MILITARY, not a politician.
His business is to increase the country's defenses, and not to bind them in political squabbles.
Zhukov, too, put a hand to the coming of the maize to power. How did he thank him to remind?

The leadership of the Armed Forces is the business of the NachSH, not the Defense Ministry, whose business is just all kinds of near-political squabbles. If anything, the MoD will, at best, be the deputy of the Supreme High Command, and the army (all the armed forces, including other bodies) will remain with the NHS and it will report directly to the Supreme High Command, and only politely greet the minister.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

His main merit is that he lost to Yeltsin and, together with Gorbachev, Kryuchkov, Yanaev, surrendered to the USSR.

All that was then we do not know. Operate the Yanayev army. What would be? 100% result can anyone say? Or, as some say about the Civil War, the Bolsheviks exterminated 10 million?

[Nikolai Korovin]

The main destroyer of the people in the Civil War was not white, not red, not even hunger - the notorious "Spanish woman". In total, it seems to have carried away about 15 million people, but in Russia, against the background of what is happening, it has especially cleared itself up. Typhus seemed to give less. In total - several million, I don't know exactly how much. Devastation, unsanitary conditions.

[Serg65]

Quote: Olgovich

He is a veteran of the Second World War, a front-line soldier, comfrey.

Andrei, Grechko was also a front-line soldier, even a smart and successful commander, which did not prevent him, being a marshal-minister, from engaging in apartment scams!
Yes, during the war and post-war years I bow my head to Yazov, but for his ministerial affairs .... I have many complaints against him!

[ccsr]

Quote: Olgovich

He is a veteran of the Second World War, a front-line soldier, comfrey.
Therefore, it deserves all respect and reverence.

I completely agree with you that, as a participant in the war, he deserves the utmost respect for respect. But as the Minister of Defense, here, excuse me, he turned out to be a weakling, certainly not Zhukov. And his appointment to the post of minister did not take place for his outstanding military leadership talents, but because Gorbachev decided to use him to expel those military leaders who did not believe a single word from this general secretary. In general, I know very well how Yazov was treated in the army at that time - he did not enjoy respect, as for example Akhromeev. That is why Akhromeev is not alive, and his boss is still receiving awards from the new government.

[Well done]

It looks bad, sorry. Such people need to erect monuments during their lifetime. Monument - from the word "memory", otherwise it was the custom where to rewrite it.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: 1959ain

This is who with Humpback,.

Is he-veteran of the Great Patriotic War, war veteran, comfrey.

Therefore, it deserves all respect and reverence.

Everything is nishtyak, Andrey! I am only jarred by "WWII". I understand the "Great Patriotic War" more.

Not a rebuke.

They, in America, invented "WWII". The address is logically the opposite - from the recipient - not from general to particular, not from city to citizen, but vice versa.
In the end - they came up with the idea of ​​speaking (who knows English) to say not "two thousand and twenty", but "twenty-twenty". Yes, and at all they have "you" and "you" has no difference - "u", in fig ...

Therefore, to me the Americanized WWII, especially from a good person, across ...

Py.Sy. On the contrary, we already require the address at the post office - aunt sent a package a month ago. What do our postmen think? How the hell would it be, if only in American? - repeat the path of Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic states?

Shoot...

[Nikolai Korovin]

This is the essence of Western civilization - the particular is more important than the general. They really think so, and fuck them with this dummy. No, if you don't build communism with these people, you will surely oppose something. Marx and Engels were wrong. This is in their subcortex of Protestantism, although there are almost no believers left. Here in Russia, although with difficulty - in principle, it seems possible. Then Vladimir Ilyich, when he saw that the world revolution was somehow not working out, tried to change his shoes in a jump. True, somehow sluggish. And Iosif Vissarionovich - finally confirmed: yes, you can. We will. And as for Marshal Yazov - yes, a front-line hero ... But a baby turned out to be in politics. Like most of the people. So don't scold him hard. “If the party said, the Komsomol replied:“ Yes! ”“ The vice-president told him that someone had arrested the president, and it was necessary to act - well, he started. Still, it seems like the authorities ordered.

[svp67]

Quote: 1959ain

This is the one who, along with Hunchback, lost the country to Pyanitsa Yeltsin.

What were you doing at that moment?

[maidan.izrailovich]

What were you doing at that moment?

Question to the point.
Our compatriots always blame the "tsar" and the "boyars" for everything, and all the rest are "white and fluffy".
The people in August 91 sat stupidly in their apartments and watched the "show" as they end their country. And now everyone is clever about who did what and did wrong.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

What were you doing at that moment?

Question to the point.
[...]
The people in August 91 sat stupidly in their apartments and watched the "show" as they end their country. And now everyone is clever about who did what and did wrong.

My father, Lieutenant Colonel of the Airborne Forces, arrived in August 91 from another business trip from somewhere where Makar did not drive calves and said that he was cooking chicken soup from a hangover and, while listening to TV, he understood that something was not happening with the country what will be a big hole.

I, a student-failing student, after passing the examination in strength of materials (unsuccessful) came to my father, drank vodka and two paratroopers sat, listened to "Swan Lake" and thought: "What, again for machines?"

I’m a demobil, and my father is an officer. I sent Sverdlovsk Alkash and Pasha-Mercedes to the address - so it was left in the kitchen. And the father of a military career was worth it.

And even if we, with hunting rifles, went out to guard the party committee on our Middle Volga - what would it change in Moscow and the Kremlin?

And you, dear, say

And now everyone is clever, who has done something wrong.

Yes, I’m not smart. My father would be smart, he could tell something about the army - but he can’t. Far from us living.

[vik669]

So with us everyone can judge the Marshal of the USSR - the country of frightened idiots!

[vik669]

Yes, in comparison with modern defective managers, probably - under Stalin, modern figures probably would not have been taken far away but on the spot ...!

[novel66]

from the 90s, "a nightmare on Yazov street"

[vik669]

Yes, either from the beginning of the XXXI century - it's nice to see and especially listen to how we will prosper in the future, but for now there is no money but you hold on ...!

[Wolverine]

Quote: Hunter 2

Good deal! Yazov - Worthy! The last Marshal of the USSR!

Yeah, he still signed the demobilization order ...

[To be or not to be]

For what ? For the surrender of the USSR?
I bow to the front-line soldier Yazov ...
You can write a lot about his path to the Marshall star. But. what for ?

[Serg65]

Quote: Hunter 2

Yazov - Worthy!

Welcome Alex!
Yazov has two sides of the coin, one, let’s say, is white, and the other is not very .... he was, to be honest, mediocre.

[vik669]

He himself at least reached the corporal or disabled childhood!

[Serg65]

So you were in the same room, forgot something?

[svp67]

Quote: Hunter 2

Good deal! Yazov - Worthy! The last Marshal of the USSR!

But the award itself is SIGNIFICANT. Yazov is a civilian state non-profit man, and that means an adversary of this system and here he is awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, XNUMXrd class.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: svp67

But the award itself is SIGNIFICANT. Yazov is a civilian state non-profit man, and that means an adversary of this system and here he is awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, XNUMXrd class.

Here's another wait, to live when not only the GDP will talk about the "mistakes of the previous leadership", but when the perpetrators of those "mistakes", those who are still alive, are put on trial, and the "mistakes" themselves are put into the history textbook. And now the school is going through the Great Patriotic War TWO WEEKS (!), and "The Newest History of Russia" (from 91) - a whole quarter! (These are honest - my wife has a friend, a history teacher).

We remember, one lesson of the Battle of Kursk was taught two lessons and three of Stalingrad ....

[the finish]

I saw Yazov in '88.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Hunter 2

Good deal! Yazov - Worthy! The last Marshal of the USSR!

It’s a pity not that he crushed Yeltsin with Gorbachev ... Marshal MAN!

[Livonetc]

We wish you good health!
And thanks.
After all, he signed a letter of resignation.

[Doctor]

What twists and turns history does not make.

[AU Ivanov.]

One of the few officers who remained faithful to the oath.

[Serg65]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

One of the few officers who remained faithful to the oath.

Varennikov remained faithful to the oath and fought for his honor to the end!

[ccsr]

Quote: Serg65

Varennikov remained faithful to the oath and fought for his honor to the end!

Yes, it was this general who did not tarnish himself with anything, although he can be treated differently, but he did personify all our front-line soldiers after the collapse of the USSR.

[Same lech]

A participant in the defense of Leningrad ... merits certainly exist before the country.

[cost]

Joined the Red Army voluntarily in November 1941, a seventeen-year-old guy, not having time to finish high school. When he joined the army, he attributed to himself a year. He said that he was born in 1923 [5]. He was enrolled in training at the Moscow Red Banner Infantry School named after the Supreme Council of the RSFSR (located in evacuation in Novosibirsk from November 02.11.1941, 28.01.1942 - January 1942, 6) and graduated from it in June 7 [1953] [XNUMX]. He received a school graduation certificate only in XNUMX, already being a major.

On the fronts of World War II from August 1942. He fought on the Volkhov and Leningrad fronts as commander of a rifle platoon [8] and commander of a rifle company [8], platoon commander [9] of front-line courses of junior lieutenants of the 483 rifle regiment of the 177th rifle division of the Leningrad front. He participated in the defense of Leningrad, in the offensive operations of Soviet troops in the Baltic states, in the blockade of the Courland grouping of German troops. In 1944 he joined the CPSU (b).

He was wounded twice in battle. After the first wound in the leg, he returned to duty two months later. The second wound, in the head and face, was received during the breaking of the siege of Leningrad in 1943. After the cure, he was appointed commander of a platoon of front-line courses. For feats during the Great Patriotic War he was awarded the Order of the Red Star in 1945. During the war, he also graduated from front-line training courses for the command staff of the Volkhov Front.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

A participant in the defense of Leningrad ... merits certainly exist before the country.

Absolutely. Well he handed over the GDP is not what the US State Department humpbacked

"For service during the Cold War"
In fact - "For the service of the United States during the Cold War."
And they backed it up with the Nobel Peace Prize "(almost to the people of Baku) and a fee for filming in fast food advertising ..
Lam of the Baku curtains The Warsaw Treaty and the collapse of the USSR are mere pennies. And over one Humpbacked Dog - to live quietly in America.

Who was minus me when I said that GDP in Russia will survive?

For Humpback Dog - a disgrace ....

[Sergey Averchenkov]

A box of vodka, a basin of beer and Ustinov's order. Then they switched to Yazov, but it wasn’t said so beautifully.

[Boris55]

Thanks to Dmitry Timofeevich for not giving the order to wind the crowd onto the tracks of the armored vehicles.

[bessmertniy]

It is also a serious merit that did not go against the people.

[NordUral]

His main "merit" is that he did not introduce martial law in the country and did not arrest the traitors to the supreme, when this was demanded by his military duty and the position obliged him. With this, he crossed out his combat and well-deserved past, as well as our whole life.
We, those ordinary people, did not have access to information about the real situation at the top. We had been hanging noodles for five years on our ears, and the Union of recent years before the crash was less and less liked by the people.
The party and Soviet authorities in one part were completely absent-minded, those that were decent people were shy and cowardly. And we, very ordinary people, believed these scum, the country's misfortune.
But the Minister of Defense is not a position that he can say that he did not know and did not understand.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NordUral

when it demanded his military duty and position obliged.

His military duty and position obligated to ensure the DEFENSE of the country.
Another department deals with internal problems
He was engaged in the DEFENSE of the country from the EXTERNAL threat.
The military should not be a politician

[NordUral]

No, Sergey, this was his direct responsibility. Especially. it was the KGB that had a hand in the collapse of the USSR. And I think that Yazov was aware of the current state of things.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NordUral

No, Sergey, that was his direct responsibility.

YES. He was the Minister of DEFENSE.
It was not his duty to intervene in internal affairs.
For this, then there were the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs

[NordUral]

He had the right to introduce a state of emergency with all the consequences.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NordUral

He had the right to introduce a state of emergency with all the consequences.

He introduced.
What are the consequences? Shoot people?

[NordUral]

And to the people, if the people dk! I myself was such a fool in '91.
But in fact - his RESPONSIBILITY, if the KGB did not (and it could not for various reasons), arrest Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev and the rest of the supreme riffraff. What he and the GKChP as a whole have not done, and under the laws of the state of emergency is a state crime and violation of the oath.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NordUral

But in essence - his DUTY,

His duty was to engage in defense of the country, and not to replace the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs

if it did not do the KGB (and it could not for various reasons),

How could he? Well, other functions of the MO and the KGB.

to arrest Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev

Delirium
Have you forgotten that he is MILITARY?
Have you forgotten that without an ORDER a soldier cannot do anything?
And you did not forget to whom he obeyed and who could give him an order?
On what grounds and how could he arrest someone?
Who gave him sanction?
Was he confused with the pinochet?

[NordUral]

Bullshit - the collapse of a normally (relatively, of course) functioning state!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NordUral

Bullshit - the collapse of a normally (relatively, of course) functioning state!

Well, because it broke up

[NordUral]

The country has not broken up, the Union has been crucified. And Yazov, if he was not among those who crucified, but also did not become his defender.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The collapse of the Union was very well planned. What is needed for protests? Need a negative. Negative very successfully introduced. Who will fight for the empty shelves? We are waiting for changes! Change has come! Instead of a shortage of goods, a shortage of money (or coupons for goods). Take today. Today there is a shortage of money (coupons) among the population. Doesn’t resemble anything? Who is ready to fight for a shortage of money today? Well, except for the secured layer.

[Aviator_]

Not to the people, but to the liberals - Chubais, Burbulis, Kozyrev, Sobchak ... and the idiots who helped them and later took out boxes from under the copier with dollars. In its pure form, a successful Moscow Maidan.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

it was his direct duty

No, it was not! Without the political will of the leadership ... and at least the same GKChP, Yazov did not have the right to even drive one APC out of the park!

[NordUral]

When the leadership itself is a traitor, and even muddy hides under Sevastopol, sort of in custody? These days I was on vacation in Sevastopol (the only, by the way, vacation for my whole life in the Russian Federation) and I saw the angry and confused faces of naval officers on the beach. And then I was worried, a fool, for the fate and life of Yeltsin. And there were most of them, so the leaders of perestroika worked well in active mode.
No, he was obliged either to release Gorbachev, or to transplant all the upper ones and introduce the state of emergency.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

saw the angry and confused faces of naval officers on the beach

Going ashore was forbidden in those days.

[NordUral]

There were patrols on the beach, Sergey, I'm talking about them.

[Serg65]

Ahh, then sorry!

[Serg65]

Quote: Lipchanin

The military should not be a politician

Your truth!

[bistrov.]

Quote: NordUral

But the Minister of Defense is not a position that he can say that he did not know and did not understand.

I completely agree with you, I fought at the front, but here I probably just got scared, I was afraid of responsibility.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: bistrov.

and here, probably, he was just scared, he was afraid of responsibility.

Chickened at his people to shoot? And would the soldiers begin to fulfill his order? They are also under execution?
Think what you say?

[bistrov.]

Quote: Lipchanin

Chickened at his people to shoot?

At that time, the people worked in factories and mowed bread on collective farms, and there were all kinds of husks, capital speculators, currency traders, etc. I myself would have shot these and my hand would not flinch.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: bistrov.

, and there was every kind of shelupon, capital speculators, currency traders, etc.

I do not want to search on an Internet footage of those days.
Hundreds of thousands of speculators and currency traders?
And in general, people have not dried up to call the language "husk"?
I won’t give you a hand if I meet

[NordUral]

You know, Sergey, there are situations and positions when you need to do what you must do. But he did not defend the USSR, betrayed the country, violated the oath. So the Chinese leadership did not flinch and the country, like the people of China - at the height of which they could not even dream of. And where are we - I’ll say that they’ll ban me.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NordUral

violated the oath.

What oath did he break?
What order did he and his subordinate CA not follow?
They didn’t shoot at people?
So there was no such order

[NordUral]

Defend the Union! And it doesn’t matter - the external or internal enemy. And to shoot, if the situation requires, Fools are worse than the enemy, and our life has fully proved this by the murder of the Union. And we all contributed to this then.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NordUral

Defend the Union! And it doesn’t matter - the external or internal enemy.

He brought out the tanks. What else does? Crush people?
Do you remember the shots of those days? How many people were there on the streets of Moscow?

[NordUral]

I tell you, Sergey, not to withdraw tanks, but to arrest the supreme traitors, to occupy the television center and other key points, to impose a curfew, and so on.
I wouldn’t have to press anyone with decisive actions and a clear explanation to the people that the reforms will be and the Gorbachev-Yeltsin destructive mess will stop.
None of the normal people would take to the streets to defend Yeltsin.

[Aviator_]

There were no people there, Maidan residents in its purest form.

[iouris]

At the front, everything is clear. The army is not designed to solve such problems. It was just used as a screen.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

His main "merit" is that he did not introduce martial law in the country and did not arrest the traitors to the supreme when it was demanded by his military duty and the position obliged him.

On the basis of what, would he impose martial law? And what position obliged him to arrest the traitors? You somehow famously shoved the responsibilities of the KGB into the army ... although even the KGB, without the political will of the same Yanayev, couldn’t hit a finger. And while the main KGB specialist was the main puppeteer!

[NordUral]

And while the main KGB specialist was the main puppeteer!

so you yourself said. KGB - does not act to protect the country, even the instigator itself. Who else then can defend the political system is the armed forces only, and the role of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is the maintenance of order in the second echelon.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

armed forces only

Who endowed them with such a right?

[NordUral]

Situation: rape your or my wife. Do we have the right to protect them? Or will we watch and scream? And the country was taken by force and deception. And he, like other generals, DUTY was to protect the country!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NordUral

Situation: rape your or my wife. Do we have the right to protect them?

Yes, there was no such situation in 1991. There was rather someone is molesting his wife. Her husband is sitting behind a palm tree and quietly kvasit drinks mineral water, pretending that it does not concern him and he has nothing to do with it. And the policeman standing nearby turned away altogether and did nothing.
Protect? Well, then how does it turn out that it was a friend of the husband whom he asked to help his wife?
The army acts within the country only with a clear political decision. Otherwise, it’s a military coup. All 30s were knocked out of excessive political independence from our army.
And second, we must not forget that in August 1991 the USSR did have a legitimate president - sitting in Foros and actively portraying the "imprisonment" of the Tagged One. And after the army suppresses the protests, it is he who will return to power. And Marked was well known for betraying his army at any aggravation of the situation - in Tbilisi, in Baku, in Vilnius. Would he betray Yazov after returning from Foros? Yes, at the first opportunity!

[NordUral]

And this "confinement" is not a justification for the actions of the army?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

This requires a conspiracy of the military. He was? The system changed the KGB and politics. Given a policy of discrediting the system, success was a foregone conclusion. Well, who will stand for the empty shelves? And to provide empty shelves for the right people was. And when did the counters empty? When the slogan on perestroika and acceleration was announced. I was still surprised at that time. They began to work in two, three shifts, and the quantity of goods began to decrease. I could not understand such a paradox then. Now it’s clear that this was a planned action. And then? Who understood what was happening?

[NordUral]

Union! We did not understand this, we did not have the information that the leaders of the Yazov level had to have.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: NordUral

His main "merit" is that he did not introduce martial law in the country and did not arrest the traitors to the supreme when it was demanded by his military duty and the position obliged him.

And why did he have to introduce this provision? He did not head the GKChP, he was one of them who lived in the hope that Gorbachev would support them. But Gorbachev betrayed them, denied them and, moreover, he arrested them under the hooting of the crowd, and under the supervision of the Yeltsin brotherhood .Because no one else had the authority to do this with them .. I have never experienced more shame and humiliation in my life. So Shoigu does not seem to blame themselves for their arrest.

[NordUral]

He did not head the GKChP, he was one of them who lived in the hope that Gorbachev would support them.

Even we, ordinary people from the people, by the 91st understood what Gorbachev was, intuitively, of course, not by knowledge.
And the Minister of Defense had enough information on the situation, and if he didn’t, he was worthless. But sure that he had, but he got scared.

Everyone in life has their own Arkolsky bridge (even if it's a bit of a myth, as they say), but some people don’t even see it, for others it is very steep and long. Not Senka hat, as they say in the people. He makes some of them Napoleon Bonoparte (although for me - he is the criminal this emperor), and others are justified ex. Unfortunately, in our country there was no person worthy of an act.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: NordUral

and if he didn’t, then the price was worthless to him.

As we now understand, most likely not, he had no idea about the depth of betrayal of this bastard. Who put his pride, well-being above the lives and fate of his comrades and the whole state. Being in the service of the Americans .. He could not go against the president, the supreme commander in chief , for which he paid.

[NordUral]

Then what is the Minister of Defense of the Union?

[Nikolai Korovin]

Napoleon dictated a lot on the island what a wonderful eternal peace he would have arranged if the Russians had not given him a hat. And where did you start? With cannon fire at a crowd in the center of Paris. And with us this is somehow not quoted. About Novocherkassk when was the first time mentioned? Probably already under Yeltsin. And so they got water in their mouths. The consequences of the execution of a crowd in Moscow would be unpredictable. And in general, we should not forget that on the 21st day the signing of a new Union Treaty was appointed - without the Baltic states and the Caucasus. And what was then generally the 19th? Who is who, so to speak?

[NordUral]

I did not speak about the execution of the people, but about a well-organized arrest of the supreme trash betraying the country. Why are you distorting.

[Nikolai Korovin]

I didn't jerk. It's just that the thought came about - well, I wrote it. Maybe not quite out of place. There was just a conversation about Tai Square ... I can't say it already. I forgot. Tainaymen, or what? Someone retrospectively argued that it was necessary, like the Chinese in 89. But in 91 everything was completely different with us, personally, on August 19, I was completely disoriented. Although, on the whole, he was skeptical about "perestroika", he still didn’t think much.

[NordUral]

And I, Nikolai, was just for the perestroika that we were painted at the beginning, but not for what we did to the country and what they continue to do today.

[Serg65]

Quote: bessmertniy

It is also a serious merit that did not go against the people.

And now this same people wants new changes!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, with a shortage of money, any people will want change! Do you support a shortage of money among the population?

[Serg65]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Well, with a shortage of money

My friend, the Soviet Union, in the 46th people ate the quinoa, in the 61st people were again put on food cards, in the late 70s so that the workers wouldn’t starve into production cards and order tables .. and? Did the people want change? I will tell you so, my dear, you and the people, these are two completely different dimensions! Stop covering up your dirty deeds with the name of the people!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Do you support a shortage of money among the population?

Do you think that profecitis is much better?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

So which is better? Shortage of goods or shortage of money? Oh, how bad the cards are! But the guarantee! Is money shortage good? A ticket is written on the banknotes. Is a ticket shortage good? What do they guarantee? Today there is a guarantee of tickets for everything? What tickets are guaranteed for you today? Buying Maserati or buying pasta? Payment of utility bills today guarantee? Is there a guarantee on food? What to consider food? Is palm or soya food? Why can't capitalism feed normal people? Are people to blame for not having enough tickets? Or are people themselves to blame for living in a country where there is a shortage of tickets? Only the deficit is strange! For some there is a deficit, while for others the rooms and KAMAZs have this deficit!

[Serg65]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Oh, how bad the cards are! But the guarantee!

That is, half a loaf of bread for a day and a kilo of meat for a week is normal? So what song have you got about a mythical deficit?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

A ticket is written on the banknotes. Is a ticket shortage good? What do they guarantee? Today there is a guarantee of tickets for everything? What tickets are guaranteed today? Buying Maserati or buying pasta? Payment of utility bills today guarantee?

My dear, the same ticket was written on Soviet banknotes, but this ticket did not guarantee to buy, for example, a refrigerator or a TV!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

What to consider food? Is palm or soya food?

Here you are, comrade GOST 240-85 for the production of margarine (I translate the figures of GOST 1985, i.e. in the USSR !!!)
2. TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS
2.1. Margarine should be produced in accordance with the requirements of this standard for technological regulations and recipes, approved in the prescribed manner.
2.2. The following raw materials are used for the production of margarine:
sunflower oil in accordance with GOST 1129;
refined cottonseed oil according to GOST 1128;
soybean oil according to GOST 7825;
corn oil according to GOST 8808;
peanut butter according to GOST 7981;
refined rapeseed oil, undeodorized and unrefined first grade according to GOST 8988 and hydrated first grade according to TU 10-04-02-13; the mass fraction of erucic acid in oil should not exceed 5% (to the sum of fatty acids);
coconut oil according to GOST 10766;
palm oil and other edible vegetable oils suitable after processing for the production of margarine;
cotton palmitin;
palm stearin;
So riding on your ears is a floor above!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

For some there is a deficit, while for others the rooms and KAMAZs have this deficit!

It was, it is, and it will always be, AND UNDER ANY POWER !!!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

This standard applies to margarine, which is a highly dispersed fatty emulsion.

Margarine is intended for the preparation of sandwiches, as well as culinary, bakery and confectionery products.

The inscription on the banknotes of the USSR, Ticket of the State Bank of the USSR. On new bills, a ticket of the Bank of Russia.

According to information from the Bank of Russia website,
“The key element of the legal status of the Bank of Russia is the principle of independence, which is manifested primarily in the fact that the Bank of Russia acts as a special public law institution with the exclusive right to issue money and organize money circulation. It is not a public authority, however, its powers, by their legal nature, relate to the functions of state power, since their implementation involves the application of state coercive measures. The functions and powers stipulated by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)” are performed by the Bank of Russia independently of the federal state authorities, state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local governments. The independence of the status of the Bank of Russia is reflected in Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as in Articles 1 and 2 of the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”.
Legal status and functions of the Bank of Russia ”
In accordance with the Federal Law of the Russian Federation “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”, the Bank of Russia is a legal entity [6]. The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property, while the Bank of Russia is endowed with property and financial independence.

[Edik]

Quote: Serg65

That is, half a loaf of bread for a day and a kilo of meat for a week is normal? So what song have you got about a mythical deficit?

Sergey, a friend is rubbing our glasses! There was more money than goods and services, and there was a shortage of goods! There was money, only you could buy them ...

[NordUral]

Here you are, comrade GOST 240-85 for the production of margarine (I translate the figures of GOST 1985, i.e. in the USSR !!!)

The 85th is almost no longer the USSR, it is the Union to which the Lights pointed to us with a pointing and smashing finger, which they themselves created in such a way that deaf indignation would grow among the people. And I must admit, they did it all correctly, creatures.
He was an idiot himself, he subscribed together with the fire, aif, several thick magazines and avidly read the "revelations" of Stalin, Lenin and everything Soviet. And it was necessary to turn on the brains, why would this such violently sudden love for the people wake up in the power and its hangers-on. Fortunately, just before the humpback was one convocation of the district deputy of the Smolninsky district of Leningrad, he saw enough of these servants of the people, although not everyone there was ugly. I could have realized that they are drawing pink perspectives for us for a reason. But alas!

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

85th - this is almost no USSR

Why would it be, perestroika had just begun, the country was still living by old standards!

Quote: NordUral

And I must admit, they did it all correctly, creatures.

Do you know when people thought? When in 88 the government of Germany began to help Soviet veterans of the Great Patriotic War! I remember these food rations well, but how outraged my mind was!

[NordUral]

Why would it be, perestroika had just begun, the country was still living by old standards!

The country stopped living "by old standards" since Brezhnev's funeral. Something was being planned upstairs, but we lived by inertia, not yet knowing what was being prepared for us.
Personally, I was for the changes that the hunchbacked promised, but we got a completely different one, although personally I lived a full and successful life for almost all these years after the 91st. I personally have nothing to regret, I got up and went broke, I do not blame anyone.
And he did not know anything in his egoism that the majority lived in a completely different way.
And I did not know how the country lives in general. But having gained access to the Internet in 2002, slowly began to form in the current moment and finally realized where they are leading us. And they lead us to slaughter or slavery.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

The country stopped living "according to the old standards" since Brezhnev's funeral.

What has changed in the country from Brezhnev’s funeral to Chernenko’s funeral?

Quote: NordUral

Personally, I was for the change that promised the hunchback

After his fiery speech at the April plenum, many were waiting for change, especially young people, but the old people were somehow depressed ... again they will do experiments on the country! So basically it happened.

Quote: NordUral

And he did not know anything in his egoism that the majority lived in a completely different way.
And I did not know how the country lives in general

You lived in a vacuum! Really did not look around?

Quote: NordUral

But having gained access to the Internet in 2002, slowly began to form in the current moment and finally realized where they are leading us.

Man, that's all from your 90s vacuum! Those people, from the 90s, no longer wipe the dust and do not drive hungry cockroaches in their refrigerators!

Quote: NordUral

And lead us to slaughter or slavery

And what does this express ... in your opinion?

[NordUral]

I will answer the first question - a well-fed and happy hungry and unhappy one does not notice and does not understand. In the early 90s, I was so encouraged that I had my own business, I was so actively involved in it that there was no time to look around. I was engaged in the fact that I never succeeded with the system that was in the 70-80s. And not because it was strictly forbidden, but because I could not have the equipment or the materials for this.

Quote: NordUral
And lead us to slaughter or slavery

And what does this express ... in your opinion?

In the creeping destruction of the country, TORs, leasing of land for long periods, which means in fact that forever,
digitalization of everything and everything, cash withdrawal, etc. -
is it not enough for you?

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

TORA, long-term lease of land, which means in practice

You seemed to be a businessman in the 90s, that's how a businessman tell me, will you personally invest a lot of money in production, having a vague idea of ​​the terms of the lease on the land on which you are going to build your enterprise?

Quote: NordUral

digitalization of everything and everything

those. Do you think that a bunch of paper documents and a Soviet calculator in the form of a barn account is more reliable and does not lead to the death of the country?

Quote: NordUral

cash withdrawal

what annoys you in this ... the home safe is idle idle?

Quote: NordUral

is it not enough for you?

To understand why ..

Quote: NordUral

lead us to slaughter or slavery

You know a little !!!

[NordUral]

You know a little !!!

I agree with this.
And according to the TOPs - why do you care about foreign (mainly Chinese businessmen)?
Nobody provided me with such conditions, he achieved everything or flew by himself.
A Chinese, having entered for 49 years, will "master" this territory so that we, or rather our descendants, will never get back.
You know, of course, the small country of Albania and the Albanian people, as well as the problems of the once serious country of Yugoslavia. And how did it end, the creeping resettlement of the Albanians?

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

Do you care about foreign ones (mainly Chinese businessmen)?

And here are the Chinese? I care about jobs, rent money and taxes paid by TOR members!

Quote: NordUral

Nobody provided me with such conditions, he achieved everything or flew by himself.

Why did they fly?

Quote: NordUral

And a Chinese man, having entered 49 years of age, will "master" this territory so that we, or rather our descendants, will never get back

Is it your exact data or just fantasy?

Quote: NordUral

You know, of course, the small country of Albania and the Albanian people, as well as the problems of the once serious country of Yugoslavia

And who do you see in the role of the Ottoman invaders who ousted Serbs from Kosovo? And why did the Kosovo Albanians sit quieter than water, below the grass until 1969?

[NordUral]

Facts are a stubborn thing, Sergey.

I can also answer on the other points, but I don’t have any desire, I’m not a political scientist, but a simple person who, for eight years, wants to understand why his homeland was in the hands of unscrupulous people.

[NordUral]

My friend, the Soviet Union, in the 46th people ate the quinoa, in the 61st people were again put on food cards, in the late 70s so that the workers wouldn’t starve into production cards and order tables .. and? Did the people want change? I will tell you so, my dear, you and the people, these are two completely different dimensions! Stop covering up your dirty deeds with the name of the people!

About 46 years, please do not be a cynic, and the 61st was organized by Nikita, the forerunner of the leaders of the 80s and 90s.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

About 46 years old, please don’t be a cynic,

I would not be a cynic if at that very time food trains did not go from the Union to Poland, Germany and Hungary!

Quote: NordUral

and the 61st was organized by Nikita, the forerunner of the leaders of the 80s and 90s.

And who is Nikita? Martian or US citizen? And who brought him to the upper echelons of power ... is it really Trotsky?

[NordUral]

You have read the perestroika lie, Sergey, but since then, information has become more accessible, truthful, and not fraudulent.
Is there a wine of soviet power in hunger

In the Soviet period, the famine of 1946-1947 was not investigated, they did not write about him and did not speak in the media, they began to openly write and speak about him only in 1988, and only in the late perestroika and after 1991 a number of studies on this topic appeared in which the authors accuse the Soviet government of the famine of 1946 1947, engaged in falsification and juggling of facts and the reasons for this are obvious: a political order appeared39)

In particular, the same Winter V.F. indicates: “The Famine of 1946-1947. in the USSR it could not have been, since the state had sufficient grain reserves. One part, not the largest, was exported. During 1946-1948 export amounted to 5,7 million tons of grain, which is 2,1 million tons more than the export of three pre-war years40). Another, the main part of the reserves was not used at all. In unsuitable warehouses, grain deteriorated so much that it was not suitable for consumption. According to incomplete estimates for 1946-1948. in the USSR as a whole, about 1 million tons of grain was completely destroyed, which could be enough for many starving people ”41)

But there was famine in 1946-1947, and why is the export figure given for the harvest period of 1946-1948? How could grain export of the 1948 crop help overcome the hunger of 1946-1947? Similarly with a ruined crop - why is the figure given for three years?

To distort the essence and ascribe blame to the Soviet regime. And now the truth! Export in 1946 - 1,7 million tons of grain, export in 1947 - 0,8 million tons of grain (from the 1947 crop - 65.9 million tons), export in 1948 - 3,2 million tons of grain42). The figure of 5,7 million tons is confirmed. That's just the lion's share of exports accounted for 1948. In 1946 there was a drought, and famine began. In 1947, a good harvest was obtained, and hunger was over. Thus, grain exports of 1947 and 1948 have nothing to do with hunger. As a result, from 5,7 remains - 1.7 million tons.

Of these 1.7 million tons, 0.5 million tons were shipped to France in the first half of 1946, when the leadership of the USSR did not yet know that the country was in poor harvest. On April 6, 1946, the Minister of Foreign Trade Mikoyan signed an agreement on the supply of France with 500 thousand tons of grain during April - June 1946. The report on the agreement indicated that the Soviet government, “given the difficult food situation in France and the request of the French government, decided to meet France as its ally during the Second World War. In addition, in the first half of 1946 Bulgaria delivered 40 thousand tons of grain. In 1945, the USSR supplied Romania with a loan of 300 thousand tons of grain, and at the beginning of 1946 another 50 thousand tons of grain and 32 thousand tons of potatoes. In February 1946, a Soviet-Polish agreement was signed on the supply of 200 thousand tons of grain to Poland, and in April of the same year, a new agreement on the supply of 300 thousand tons 43) was signed. As a result, from 5.7 million tons there remained - 1.1 million tons, that is how much the USSR delivered to its allies during the famine, in the second half of 1946, while agreements with Poland for the supply of 0.5 million tons were concluded before the beginning of the summer of 1946.

And the data could not be delivered 1.1 million tons of the USSR, after the devastating war the whole of Europe went hungry, including the allies of the USSR, and no significant state in the world could do without allies, and the USSR was the leading socialist state in the world. The presence of allies in Eastern Europe helped the USSR restrain the aggression of the United States and Britain. To gain more, sometimes you have to sacrifice less, although the choice is extremely difficult.

Source: http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_myths/golodomor/00021.html
But according to Khrushch, a lot of things can be said - yes, Stalin did not make out his own and our doom in this freak. Great was Stalin, but he was not insured against mistakes. Mistakes, but not crimes.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

You have read the perestroika lie, Sergey

By no means, archives are now almost open about this!

Quote: NordUral

but since then, information has become more accessible, truthful

Quote: NordUral

http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_myths/golodomor/00021.html

And what can confirm the veracity of your source?

Quote: NordUral

Is there a wine of soviet power in hunger

Eugene, after all, I was not talking about the fault of the Soviet government in hunger, but that when the Soviet people were down from hunger, the Soviet government sent food so necessary for the Soviet people to the same Poland!
If the information has become more accessible and truthful, then here's an example ..
http://realtribune.ru/news/world/3050

Quote: NordUral

Stalin did not make out his own and our doom in this freak

And he also did not make out Mikoyan, who helped Joseph get rid of Shaumyan, did not make out Malenkov, Bulganin ... did Stalin have aggravated political myopia? Even Voroshilov and Budyonny, who owed their lives to Stalin, and those betrayed him! The whole problem of Eugene is that you absorb information from the Internet one-sidedly, and strongly biased! I am more than sure that you are not even aware that Mikoyan prepared the report at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU and it was he who initiated the fight against the personality cult, and Khrushchev only voiced these theses, although this does not remove the blame from Khrushchev!

[NordUral]

There is a reason in your words, we are so arranged, and all exceptions are rare. But I also study the opposite side, except for Solovyov, disgust at him at the physiological level.
About Mikoyan in the course, read about him. And for supplies, so here
you are right and wrong, as was both right and wrong Stalin.
Yes, he took part from our grandfathers and fathers, but in their name.
For the existence of the USSR, allies in Eastern Europe were needed, and they required resources.
So they had to feed them, taking part from their people. But here he tried to minimize the size of the trouble.
It is only a pity that these countries and their peoples turned out to be ungrateful (for the most part).
And most importantly, a leader of this level lives in categories of another level and is guided by the preservation and development of the whole, and not part of this whole. And the laws of morality sometimes give way to brutal necessity.

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

And most importantly - a leader of this level lives in categories of a different level and is guided by the preservation and development of the whole, not parts of this whole. And the laws of morality sometimes give way to brutal necessity.

Just like about Putin

[NordUral]

Only with reverse polarity, Sergey! Do you really think that this one climbed into Syria for the sake of the Syrians and the triumph of justice on the entire planet?

[Serg65]

Quote: NordUral

Do you really think that this one climbed into Syria for the sake of the Syrians and the triumph of justice on the entire planet?

Did Stalin climb into Poland for the happiness of the Poles?

[NordUral]

He climbed into Poland for our sake, and with him for the sake of our fathers and grandfathers. As a first approximation, if our army had stopped at the borders of the 41st year, it is not a fact that again hordes of already united Anglo-Saxons, Germans and other Swedes would not have piled on.
In the long term, the security belt was created with the prospect of creating a vast territory of socialist states in the center of Europe, with subsequent expansion to the Atdantics, in a peaceful manner.
It’s not his fault that Khrushch and others not only failed to develop,
but also destroyed what was achieved.

[Nikolai Korovin]

In my opinion, Serg65 means 1939.

[NordUral]

So I'm talking about the 39th. When the USSR returned its territory. And Poland was not white and fluffy, it was not in vain that Churchill called it the hyena of Europe; she pinched the Czechs together with the Fuhrer.

[Nikolai Korovin]

Stalin climbed, firstly, strictly speaking, not into Poland, since there was nothing of the Polish population there. He did not go further than the Curzon line; by the way, he did not claim the remnants of the "zone of influence" according to the protocol established in the interests of the Poles. And secondly, no one had any illusions, from a strategic point of view, the foreground had to be increased so as not to start a second war with the Germans to the east than the first ended in 1917. The occupation of Ukraine, the Baltic States and most of Belarus by the Germans in 1918 can be ignored as a war - they took it in between, almost without resistance.

[Nikolai Korovin]

I was 7 years old, and I could be wrong, but, in my opinion, in Moscow, in any case, there were no cards. But that some kind of gray bread became white and queues arose - I remember it well. Looks like some kind of fodder Canadian grain went into business. And it seems to me that Nikita Sergeyevich simply arranged it for dope. He mastered the virgin lands. All plowed up, copses removed - please, black storms. At first it fell, but then the yield dropped sharply. And how many people were driven there? In general, voluntarism. Without conscious malice. I wanted the best. But I do not insist on this either - I just have that feeling. I have no specific data. I only note that until this bummer occurred, Nikita Sergeich was quite popular.

[Aviator_]

Food cards were introduced in the late 80s and early 90s. Do not mix Brezhnev and Tagged Gorbi here.

[Serg65]

Quote: Aviator_

Food cards were introduced in the late 80s and early 90s. Do not mix Brezhnev and Tagged Gorbi here.

Learn the history of your country, talk with those over 80, I assure you, you will learn a lot of interesting things about those who you want to put on another armored car!

[Nikolai Korovin]

No, now the number of volunteers willing to change is much less than 30 years ago. I'm not talking about financially interested persons. There are actually not so many of them. They just create a lot of noise. "Announcer from the program! Those who, in one way or another, talk about failures and make people nervous, take us, the doomed: the triangle will turn you, scientists, into insane, but on the contrary!"

[Edik]

And he could have grabbed Gorbatov himself by the gills! It’s a pity that no one had the courage ... It’s a pity the country we lost. It could have been otherwise, but not as always.

[Per se.]

Quote: Edik

. It is a pity the country we lost. And it could have been otherwise.

It happened, what happened, everything is natural, as they say, what the Junkers did not do, the Snickers did. There were others, besides Yazov, who could defend the USSR, but ...

“While I am alive, while I breathe, I will fight for the Soviet Union!” (S.F. Akhromeev).

Recall the kind word of Marshal S.F. Akhromeeva! On August 24, 1991, according to the official version, his "suicide" occurred.

With Rokhlin, too, everything is very mysterious and no less murky.

[Bomb]

For Akhromeev for a long time it was necessary to fully ask from the tagged. There is not enough will to take him by the gills and learn everything firsthand.

[To be or not to be]

Could not!!
Do not make me laugh ...
It is crooked and was found and created ...

[Serg65]

Quote: To be or not to be

He is prey and was found and created.

There is such a suspicion ...

[Serg65]

Quote: Edik

And he could have grabbed Gorbatov by the gills!

The GKChPistov’s trip to Foros looks like a theatrical act, and the subsequent Yeltsin amnesty, the final act of this theatrical performance!

[Edik]

Quote: Serg65

The GKChPistov’s trip to Foros looks like a theatrical act, and the subsequent Yeltsin amnesty, the final act of this theatrical performance!

I also sometimes think, so try to find an honest person in their top

[Serg65]

The commander of the Chernomorsk fleet, at that time, was the honored admiral Chronopulo, the landing hero in Mogadishu, after talking with super-duper investigator for special affairs Gdlyan, he spat at everything and became a restaurateur in Sevastopol. And in the 77th he was not a brother himself !!! That's it!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Someone really wanted to drink Bavarian and ride a BMW. Only in the 41st people who wanted to drink Bavarian there was a minimum. And for the rejection of Bavarian voluntarily went to death in the name of the future of children and grandchildren. Only children and grandchildren did not appreciate this. Putin's father in vain fought for the USSR? Or the father of Chubais? Or Gaidar's stepfather? And Molotov’s grandson for what system?

[Serg65]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Only children and grandchildren did not appreciate this.

For the rejection of Bavarian, people went to death in the name of their MOTHERLAND, as did the ancestors of these people in 1812 and 1914 !!! Chubais and Gaidar, are the only descendants of all those who gave their lives for our Motherland?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Putin's father in vain fought for the USSR?

And if the country for which Putin's father fought was not called the USSR, he would not have fought for this country? Already in your neo-communist impulse you have gone too far! People went on the attack shouting "FOR THE HOMELAND", this is what united the whole people! You will not deny that at the beginning of the war there were many dissatisfied with the Soviet regime in the USSR? Yes, some of the dissatisfied became traitors to their homeland, but most of these dissatisfied fought honestly for their homeland! And what is characteristic, the children of prominent political workers of the Soviet Navy and the SA took an active part in the collapse of the USSR! This is me about Gaidar and Chubais, tell me, how did it happen that people who were tough on the party line among sailors and soldiers grew up scum children? Now about Putin .... he headed the country almost before the fall into Hell, and by 2020 the country came completely different than even 30 years ago, or do you think he continues to destroy the country?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And that is typical, in the collapse of the USSR, the children of prominent political workers of the Navy of the USSR and the SA took an active part!

They then ruined the country. Have got two, three citizenship, offshore accounts. and patriots of which country did they become?

Now about Putin .... he led the country almost before falling to Hell, and by 2020 the country came in completely different from even 30 years ago, or do you think it continues to destroy the country?

In the 20-30s, the country was in a worse position than in the 90s. In the 45th, it was also not very. Terms of recovery then and now? Honestly, I don’t see the results of the work of our president. rather, I see. but with a minus sign. The result of work, desovetization, deindustrialization, depopulation, etc. I am not enthusiastic about his mania of universal privatization and the creation of TORs. In my opinion, the country is being sold into the hands of TNCs. We do not even have our own retail chains. They are all imported.

For the rejection of Bavarian, people went to death in the name of their MOTHERLAND, as did the ancestors of these people in 1812 and 1914 !!!

Many of us refused offshore? And then the offer to die! I do not think that Berezovsky voluntarily died for his homeland!

[Serg65]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

They destroyed the country

Those. why did political children grow up with such children, do you refuse to speak?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

In the 20-30s, the country was in a worse position than in the 90s. In the 45th, it was also not very. Terms of recovery then and now?

The selective story is so sweet! If Putin arranged a recovery in Stalinist style, stopudovo you would still be unhappy!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

In my opinion, there is a sale of the country in the hands of TNCs

This is solely in your opinion, Putin has been in power for 20 years, and the country is still whole ...
.

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

I do not think that Berezovsky voluntarily died for his homeland!

Are you worried about Berezovsky’s death?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Do you think the new elite will have better children? Selective story? But in those years, the country was really in a worse situation! Today, many are dissatisfied with the Russian economy. If Putin had begun to restore the economy according to Stalin, the result would have been in a year. What was wrong with Stalin? Restored too fast? Outwardly, the country seems to be whole. But for some reason, the standard of living in different regions as in different countries. And almost all companies with foreign names, letters and registration. What is Russian in them?

The daily analytical newspaper RBC daily offers us a whole business map, where the whole structure of large private business in Russia is visible. The card is called "Who Owns Russia
A careful study of the business card shows a huge number of intermediary companies registered in offshore zones, which in turn own the largest private companies in Russia. Thus, the words of Evgeny Fedorov are partially confirmed. It should be noted that this business card is not entirely complete. NOT all intermediary firms are indicated on the map. For example, the map indicates that the company Severstal is directly owned by Alexei Mordashov. However, in fact, Alexey Mordashov controls Severstal through the Cyprus offshore company Frontdeal Ltd. Or, for example, it is indicated that Iskander Makhmudov and Andrey Kozitsyn directly own the company OJSC Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC). But in reality, the company is managed through the Cyprus offshore company SELMARECO LIMITED (SELMARECO LIMITED). In general, this business card does not show the full picture, but it clarifies a lot.

Read more at © DairyNews.ru https://www.dairynews.ru/news/komu-prinadlezhit-krupnyy-chastnyy-biznes-rossii.html

I think many of our offshore companies after using them and fleeing to England will face the fate of Berezovsky. They are alive and needed while they pump money from Russia. Although they may think differently.

[Serg65]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Do you think the new elite will have better children?

The new elite at least does not lie about the communist future!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

But in those years, the country was really in a worse situation!

I agree with this.

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Today, many are dissatisfied with the Russian economy.

Wow! Therefore, these discontented and work out Khodorkovsky (read Sorosovsky) denyuzhki! Moreover, both right-wing liberals and left-wing communists are dissatisfied ... it really looks like February 17th!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

If Putin had begun to restore the economy according to Stalin, the result would have been in a year.

And I do not argue, because what is the benefit of the Stalinist method ..... free labor, a complete absence of opposition, minimal social obligations!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

The daily analytical newspaper RBC daily

The most reliable source of information ... especially for the Communists!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

They are alive and needed while pumping money from Russia.

So Berezovsky died because he decided to repent and share with Russia!
In this vein, I have a question for you as a communist, why did the offshore officer Sava Morozov die?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The new elite at least does not lie about the communist future!

And why should she lie about the communist future if they live in a communist present! To each according to his needs! And they don’t complain about social guarantees!

Therefore, these discontented and work out Khodorkovsky (read Sorosovsky) denyuzhki!

I doubt that Khodorkovsky and Soros know the name of ordinary people. And it’s funny that ordinary people complain about money.

.free labor force, complete absence of opposition, minimal social obligations!

How then bought free labor for the front tanks and planes? Today, workers bought a lot of equipment for the army? If there is opposition today !? Why then didn’t Grudinin be replaced by Medvedev or the Minister of Agriculture? How are we now growing social obligations of the state to citizens? Does the country guarantee work and free housing? After the death of Berezovsky, he seems to have discovered huge debts. Could not earn in free England!

[Serg65]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

I doubt that Khodorkovsky and Soros know the names of ordinary people

Why would Khodorkovsky and Soros know ordinary people when these ordinary people have "leaders"?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

And it’s funny that ordinary people complain about money.

Ordinary people are very gullible, and when the entire Internet is crammed with fakes like "everything is lost" and "beat the Jews, save Russia", they really believe it!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

How then bought free labor for the front tanks and planes?

Do not download through the years, my friend! The conversation was about the late 20s and early 30s ..... although ... can you name at least one builder of the White Sea Canal, who bought the tank in the 41-42th years?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Today, workers bought a lot of equipment for the army?

And what, the enemy attacked Russia and tramples the Smolensk field?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

If there is opposition today !?

Is there an opposition in Russia ????

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Why then didn’t Grudinin be replaced by Medvedev or the Minister of Agriculture?

Yes, because Grudinin can’t connect two words, and he doesn’t shine with his mind!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

How are we now growing social obligations of the state to citizens?

Well comrade, why so rude then? The most talked about social support for fertility! Social support for disabled children and their care, social support for WWII veterans, social support for low-income families.

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Does the country guarantee work and free housing?

Guaranteed freebies, this is your hobby ... you are promising and always deceiving!

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

After the death of Berezovsky, he seems to have discovered huge debts. Could not earn in free England!

Well, the desire to become emperor of Russia is expensive, and the former Komsomol member has supported himself!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And then Ostap suffered!

[Serg65]

The traditional communist ending of the dispute!
Have a nice one you too

[Alexander Suvorov]

Boris55 (Boris)
Thanks to Dmitry Timofeevich for not giving the order to wind the crowd onto the tracks of the armored vehicles.

Or maybe it was necessary to give this very order ?! Yes, they would have lost several hundred lives, but they could have saved those millions that later "did not fit into the market." Such a thought does not occur to you ?!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

Yes, they would lose a few hundred lives,

Are you talking about your family?
Or was he hiding in the basement then?

[Alexander Suvorov]

Lipchanin (Sergey)
Are you talking about your family?
Or was he hiding in the basement then?

First, not "you", but "you"! Secondly, at that time I served exactly from 1991 to 1993, and served in the troops that were supposed to establish this order. Military unit 3655 of the 47th OP of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR (RF), operational division "DON-100". Only because of those who profiled the country, we then established this order in all the former republics and autonomies. In particular, I am in North Ossetia, Ingushetia and Dagestan.
So it’s not for you to tell me about where and who was.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

First, not "you", but "you"

Exactly you!!
With an individual who so easily talks about ALIEN lives, the lives of his fellow citizens

Or maybe it was necessary to give this very order ?! Yes, they would lose a few hundred lives,

It’s necessary, either on you and a lemon with a sock.
Or just point blank

[Edik]

Quote: Lipchanin

Exactly you!!
With an individual who so easily talks about ALIEN lives, the lives of his fellow citizens

Chubais woke up right in you! Yes, sometimes to save millions of innocent people, one must and can sacrifice a hundred lives!

[Lipchanin]

I already told you. Do not bother to write. YOU for me are letters on the screen.
I answered the last time.
And YOU look like a chubais on your profile picture

[Edik]

Seryozha stop thumping, it’s very harmful for the liver! But I’m writing not for you, so I don’t wait for your drunken revelations.

Quote: Lipchanin

And YOU look like a chubais on your profile picture

Look as if you weren’t visiting

[Alexander Suvorov]

Lipchanin (Sergey)
It’s necessary, either on you and a lemon with a sock.

Is there enough health ?!

Or just point blank

Well, don’t notice ...

With an individual who so easily talks about ALIEN lives, the lives of his fellow citizens

Have you seen how these "alien" lives died before your eyes? How do hundreds of innocent people die because of slobbery and "philanthropists", how houses burn, and families are cut out at the root along ethnic lines?
The philanthropist pancake turned up.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lipchanin

Are you talking about your family?
Or was he hiding in the basement then?

Just look at China. The leadership of the CCP in a similar situation found the strength to issue the same order. Where is China now - and where are we?
And the humanism of August 1991 for Russia turned into, among other things, ethnic cleansing of Russians in Chechnya and two wars.

[1959ain]

Yes, Pasha-Mercedes, Grachev and Yeltsin in drinking were found in 1993, 2 tanks and shot, White House and Parliament

[Lycan]

.. But I'll give you a "stamp":
- Yazov did not give an order to wind up a rotten shell (Western values) on a caterpillar's shell (with Western values) - and we have Russia of the 90s. A little rake in the noughts and even as with the national economy - now. Yes, and moral guidelines - long in the past. Now - only some rudiments.
- The Commander-in-Chief of the Peoples Republic of China (probably) nevertheless gave the order to wind the rotten (Western values) shellupon onto the caterpillars [ploshch. Tiananmen]. And China has a shelled establishment and is rapidly developing industry. And the element base for advanced types of weapons, he, again, has his own + consumer goods - in a wide range + for export around the world.
=====
But now all the borders are open and everyone chooses moral / sexual / entrepreneurial guidelines on their own. In your opinion, is it worth the entire military, industrial and social potential of the country?

[iouris]

Nobody was going to "wind" you on the tracks. This was necessary only for the dissolution of the USSR ("Maidan vice versa"). Otherwise, professionals would have stepped in.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Boris55

Thanks to Dmitry Timofeevich for not giving the order to wind the crowd onto the tracks of the armored vehicles.

I look - a dozen dissenting ...

And Pasha Mercedes would not stop. Let the dissenting think about it.

But Sverdlovsk Alkash would not even think to give an order - as in '93. An alcoholic in the 91st could give the order to destroy all of Russia to the size of the Garden Ring - just to be the KING there .... Pasha-Mercedes would fulfill the order of Alkashov. No ulcers.

[Petr1]

They gave a medal, a book .. that’s good. And they asked him maybe he wants something, maybe they would show the video. Why is such news always retroactively in the newspaper?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Petr1

and they asked him maybe he wants something,

And if you asked? Ringing about it? Or send you a transcript of the conversation?

why is such news always retroactively in the newspaper?

Do you have to live on all channels? Talk show?

[Petr1]

Quote: Lipchanin

Do you have to live on all channels? Talk show?

yes it is necessary to talk show so that on all channels, the opinion of a Soviet person is interesting to listen to? Maybe there will be more mind !!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Petr1

Talk show so that on all channels, the opinion of a Soviet person is interesting to listen to?

So then you just need to do a talk show, and not with an award.
Otherwise it's PR

[Petr1]

Yes, what PR there is to him. These rewards. The results are necessary for their victims. It is not for nothing that they laid down their lives.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Petr1

him these rewards. they need the results of their victims. that it was not for nothing that they laid down their lives.

Correctly. Handed in at home. And then do at least 10 programs

[U-58]

Health, happiness and prosperity to Grandfather!
And let it hiccup badly for those who jerked in '91: A nightmare! On the street Yazov!

[To be or not to be]

From the Bipedia in Russian letters .. "The acquittal, which was passed to Varennikov by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, reads the following:

According to the testimony of V.I. Varennikov, O.D. Baklanov, O.S. Shenin and V.I. Boldin, M.S. Gorbachev, although he called the attempt to save the country from collapse by introducing a state of emergency a gamble and spoke about the possibility of emergency measures through the Congress of People's Deputies or the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, but ended the meeting with handshakes and the words: “Damn you, do what you want, but report my opinion.” They regarded these words of the President of the USSR as actual consent to the imposition of a state of emergency in the country, while at the same time his desire to stay away from such a decision. Having recognized the correctness of the assessment of the situation in the country by arrivals, his statement about the possibility of imposing a state of emergency by decision of the Congress of People's Deputies or the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, as well as shaking hands when parting, witness M. S. Gorbachev denied saying these words or endorsing any other way of introducing a state of emergency unconstitutional way.

Having analyzed the evidence, the court concluded that, despite the statements of M. Gorbachev about the unconstitutionality and adventurism of the proposals of the arrivals, his failure to take measures to detain them, his proposal to convene a congress of people's deputies or a session of the Supreme Council to discuss the issue of imposing a state of emergency, the handshakes at parting gave V.I. Varennikov reason to believe that the President of the USSR, if he did not approve, did not object to an attempt to save the country from collapse by introducing a state of emergency.

This conclusion is also confirmed by the objective actions of the GKChP members, who, after the failure of their plans, flew to M. Gorbachev to discuss a possible way out of the situation.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D1%87
It turns out a multi-act performance. Where the director himself is a hunchback. who left the theater hall ..

[Gardamir]

Sometimes you don’t hear about a person, you don’t even know if he is alive.
Honor and respect to Dmitry Timofeevich!

[About 2]

Good man, Yazov! In his time as commander of the KDVO, many officers respected him!

[Lamata]

Finally, a worthy exercise. Komvzvod and komroty was, and THIS IS DIGGERS. two wounds. Respect to you, Dmitry Timofeevich.

[rotmistr60]

Dmitry Timofeevich was very old. I still remember him when he commanded the KDVO - an eagle, a front-line soldier. Health to him.

[chenia]

As a commander, he was the most demanding in terms of combat training. I drove the troops to the fullest. But politics is not his thing.

[GenNick]

Quote: Gardamir

Sometimes you don’t hear about a person, you don’t even know if he is alive.
Honor and respect to Dmitry Timofeevich!

Honor and respect to WWII veteran Dmitry Timofeevich!
To the Minister of Defense of the USSR, Marshal of the USSR, Comrade Yazov D.T. question, for what ?, why? and most importantly, we swore with you to defend the Homeland, but no one gave me the guards. reserve stock of the order ...

[Van 16]

No questions, absolutely deserved rewards. Unlike those about whom the next article is talking.

[NordUral]

It’s interesting, why did Shoigu give him the award? After all, Marshal Yazov did not fulfill his military duty - the defense of the USSR (like the whole generals).
Reward for crime - failure to fulfill their direct duties? And thanks from the current caliphs for an hour dragging out, unfortunately.

[maidan.izrailovich]

NordUral (Eugene)
Reward for crime - failure to fulfill their direct duties?

Why are you duplicating the stench and lies of liberal skunks here?
Yazov fought for the country to the last.

Conservative Yazov was unpopular among perestroika supporters; in 1991, he joined the upcoming GKChP and from the first day joined it; tanks and heavy military equipment were brought into Moscow on his orders.
He went to Foros to Gorbachev and immediately upon his return was arrested at Vnukovo-2 airport on the night of 22 August 1991 year
The Minister of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR Viktor Barannikov and the Prosecutor General of the RSFSR Valentin Stepankov personally participated in the arrest of Yazov [

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
Merzavtsev that arrested the marshal, the alcoholic EBN then thanked.
You have no questions for those servicemen who were guarding the Minister of Defense? And to all those who have not complied with the minister’s order?

[NordUral]

He brought in troops, yes, that's all. Inaction is also criminal, maidan.izrailovich.

[maidan.izrailovich]

He brought in troops, yes, that's all. Inaction is also criminal, maidan.izrailovich.

But is this not enough? Then what do you consider sufficient? What do you think the defense minister should have done?
If you criticize him, then you know what you had to do. Otherwise, this is idle talk.

[NordUral]

Arrest criminal power, and in August of the 91st this should already be clear to leaders of this rank. Leader of the country under arrest - is that not the reason? And if this is a performance, which would become clear in the first days after the suppression of the coup attempt, then Gorbachev himself, who already deserved to be arrested by this time, as a traitor. All his actions screamed about it.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Arrest criminal power, and in August of the 91st this should already be clear to leaders of this rank.

Firstly, it was not he who led the GKChP. This decision was to be made by Yanaev.
Secondly, either the KGB or the Ministry of Internal Affairs should have done this (arrest). Perhaps together. But certainly not representatives of Moscow Region.
Thirdly, do you know that many of the units introduced by Yazov’s order in Moscow were without ammunition. That is, the commanders simply did not comply with the order. It is now many refuse Yeltsin. And at that time, many (including in the army including) supported the drunk. GKChP orders were sabotaged and not executed.
Therefore, do not blame everything on one person.

[NordUral]

And I'm on one and not the currency. And to the top

[Vladimir61]

Yes, they marked the front-line soldier !? And only today, the article "In what regiments did they serve, medal bearers?" Was posted, - about the awarding of this order to pop veterans, Vinokur and Pugacheva. True, they did "much more" for the Motherland, or in terms of age, older than the veteran of the Great Patriotic War, since they have already been awarded orders of IV, III and second degree. By the next anniversary (birthday) and I will receive!

[midshipman]

Met with USSR Minister of Defense Ustinov D.F. Reported to him about the teachings, together with the Maral of the USSR Savitsky E.Ya and Gene designer I. Mostyukov. And with Yazov D.T. seen only at meetings

[Tolik_74]

And when this general signed an order for my demobilization back in 87

[Po-tzan]

the last Minister of Defense of the USSR

Why didn’t the Minister defend the USSR?

[maidan.izrailovich]

Why didn’t the Minister defend the USSR?

Learn the story.
He participated in the Emergency Committee. The old people made an attempt to save the country. But the country did not support them.

[mark021105]

and for his services he received the Order of the Red Star

It would be more correct to write "... and for his services he was awarded the Order of the Red Star."

[iouris]

The elite are those who are rewarded, no matter what they do.

[RUS96]

I in the 91st with his demobilization order left

[maidan.izrailovich]

On the fronts of World War II from August 1942.
He was wounded twice in battle.
The second wound, in the head and face, was received during the breaking of the siege of Leningrad in 1943.

And there were scoundrels who, in 1991, were pouring mud on a veteran front-line soldier. For his participation in the Emergency Committee.
Long years to you Dmitry Timofeevich. And thanks for the victory.

[iouris]

And my two grandfathers died in 1943 near Kursk. They are nothing.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Here it is !!!! Vinokur and Pugachikha have already received almost the entire set of "Merits to the Fatherland", and the front-line soldier - the commander of a rifle platoon in 1942, Minister of Defense of the USSR, deserved only the third degree! Probably our buffoons with the front-line soldier of the Fatherland are different.

[Old26]

Quote: Serg65

And how did his "adherence to principles" end?

There is no blood on it of civilians. That's how it ended.

[gorenina91]

Shoigu presented awards to the last Minister of Defense of the USSR

- Personally, I am proud that Dmitry Timofeevich Yazov is my countryman - he was born in the village of Yazovo in the Krestinsky volost of the Kalachinsky district of the Omsk province ... -Now this is the Omsk region ...
-Not everyone has such a biography ... like Yazov D.T.
- Personally, I already wrote that Siberia in the Great Patriotic War was raked under the net (probably nowhere else on the territory of the USSR was there such a total conscription in the army - then they recruited Siberian divisions) ... ... - they took into the army from the age of 17 (for this I just had to write that I wanted to volunteer) ... -Many of my relatives got to the front then ...
-Yazov reminds me of my departed relatives (very few returned from the won) ...
- Well, and to Dmitry Timofeevich ... - good health and "marshal's vigor" ...

[megadeth]

Grandfather deserved! Health to Yazov !!!

[Lontus]

What vile cynicism is S. Shoigovich Kuzhugetov directly participating in the cannibalistic coups of 1991 and 1993 (only a fool and a scoundrel can deny this) rewards Marshal who tried to resist this.
Yes, Yazov had many errors and errors, but he deserves respect as a fearless warrior of the Second World War.
Unlike the classic Russophobe noviope.

[Cresta999]

The bourgeois rulers awarded the traitor general. Typical bad boy. Full pockets of cookies and Gorbachev and Yeltsin do what they want. It was he who was supposed to stop the signing of the Bialowieza Agreement, declare martial law in the country and neutralize the traitors who did not give a damn about the constitution and began to create lawlessness.

[Ros 56]

He is not worthy of an award, it was necessary 30 years ago all this shelupon: Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shushkevich, Kravchuk and further on the list to arrest for life creatures.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Ros 56

He is not worthy of an award, it was necessary 30 years ago all this shelupon: Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shushkevich, Kravchuk and further on the list to arrest for life creatures.

You are right, BUT. History has no subjunctive mood. Simply, Yazov was already at a fair age for making such radical decisions. But, as I recall that army, if it were an order, order would be put in place quickly and with enthusiasm. He is a good man, but not a politician. Maybe that was what Gorby needed.

[Ros 56]

Was 91 worse than 41?

[Lontus]

Quote: Ros 56

He is not worthy of an award, it was necessary 30 years ago all this shelupon: Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shushkevich, Kravchuk and further on the list to arrest for life creatures.

You forgot to indicate S. Shoiguich Kuzhugetov in this list of shell husks 30 years ago.
Probably for this and rewards now that he did not arrest then.

[Goblin]

Humanly, I feel sorry for Yazov .. How he survived all this, the collapse of the USSR, etc.
The true Marshal of the Great Country! May God grant him health at his advanced age .. Steel generation!

[Rjkley]

Drafted into the ranks of the SA and took the Oath just in those years (1988) ...
An urgent period passed, and I went to the warrant officers knowingly, with the further goal of entering the Higher School of Education ....

[Looking for]

what I liked is the Marshal. Minister of Defense. and the wallpaper is "gay Slavs". And Shoigu has the walls. Probably. leaf gold. encrusted with medium-sized diamonds.

[Doliva63]

In 87, I would never have believed that Yazov would accept some kind of reward from the hands of a man who participated in ensuring the anti-Soviet coup. Hmm.

[Yuri Ilyakhin]

Did he also congratulate the deputy chief of the general staff and thank him?

[Karen]

I am tormented by vague doubts ... Could it be that Yazov was handed over to Shoigu by the supervision of Afghan drug trafficking? :)

[Ghost41]

Last Minister of Defense of the USSR E. Shaposhnikov

[lvov_aleksey]

I respect such "old people" that they don't say

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Ghost41

Last Minister of Defense of the USSR E. Shaposhnikov

The USSR ended in August - believe me, Yazov was from the Emergency Committee, and Shaposhnikov E.I. was later

[Alex66]

I support NordUral Yazov violated the oath, did not defend against the internal enemy. To whom much has been given (and it was given to him not a little), much will be asked. He knew, understood, could influence, but did not.

[iouris]

Quote: Alex66

Yazov violated the oath, did not protect against the enemy of the internal

Yazov violated the law of the USSR, allowing Gorby and Shevardnadze to use the USSR Armed Forces (as it were) for police tasks, but in fact for provocations, which served as the basis for "popular demonstrations" and the dissolution of the USSR.
If you violate the law because of the emergency, then you must act decisively. The troops that were brought into the capital of the USSR did not have a specific task and were left without supplies. Unarmed provocateurs crushed these troops. It was not just a defeat, but a complete disgrace, a discrediting of the army. Some of them should have shot themselves, and not groaned at Gorby's "close a year of service."

[Super]

Still strong Shoigu! With him we can not be afraid of external enemies! And the Rosguard will deal with internal!

[orsker]

Strong grandfather! He signed an order for my demobilization in 89. Health to Dmitry Timofeevich!

[30143]

Quote: 1959ain

Quote: Hunter 2

Good deal! Yazov - Worthy! The last Marshal of the USSR!

This is who, together with Gorbatov, lost the country to Pyanitsa Yeltsin. Yes, the cadres decide everything, Stalin said, but at the end of the USSR, they crushed it so .......

Why did you lose? If memory serves, then Gorbachev. He was planted. But Yeltsin already figured it out.

[Igor Larikov]

Under Yazov we had the most combat-ready army and navy