Zakharova responded to the Estonian authorities with words about the “Tartu Treaty in force to this day”

"Apparently, the crisis of development - there is nothing to attract the electorate." This statement was made by Maria Zakharova, commenting on the next claims of the Estonian authorities to Russia. The essence of the claims is reduced by the Estonian side to the mention of the Tartu Treaty. The head of the Estonian Foreign Ministry, Urmas Reinsalu, stated that the Tartu Treaty, which was signed exactly 100 years ago, "remains valid today."

Reinsalu:

At the same time, Russia is engaged in falsifications on the issue of the state border.

The same idea was voiced the day before by Estonian President Kersti Kaljulaid. In addition, Kaljulaid said that Estonia joined the USSR “not voluntarily”.

President of Estonia:

The Soviet period was the occupation of Estonia.

The Estonian side, referring to the Tartu Treaty of 1920, actually makes territorial claims against modern Russia.

Maria Zakharova on this occasion wrote that the Estonian authorities have problems not with the past, but with the future. According to the official representative of the Estonian Foreign Ministry, the phrases “Tartu Peace Acts” and “we must demand reparations” testify to this.

Meanwhile, in Estonia itself, ordinary citizens are skeptical about the constant mention of the Tartu Treaty in the modern context. Indeed, in this case, too, Russia reserves the right to recall even earlier historical events - when there was no sovereign state in the territory that Estonia occupies today. Although a sovereign state is not there to this day ...

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[master 52]

how much you can chew snot, we are so witty.

[Hagalaz]

Well, sometimes Zakharova, of course, openly mumbles in her comments. But there is no reason to fuss too much either. "Go to ...." Even at VO it is not accepted, let alone at the international level.

Immediately, Zakharova clearly expressed the idea that the claims of the Baltic states are unfounded. No excess dust.
Germany, too, is not particularly "dusty" on the Polish pritenia.

[bessmertniy]

The European Union will crumble, and Estonia will swing the right that it was occupied by the European Union and demands compensation in this regard.

[DenZ]

Quote: bessmertniy

Estonia will swing the rights that it was occupied by the European Union and demands compensation in this regard

Yes, they wanted to spit in the same European Union on Estonia’s claims. The dog barks - the caravan (the European Union) is walking (although it is walking and limping on both legs, but still walking)

[your1970]

Quote: DenZ

Quote: bessmertniy

Estonia will swing the rights that it was occupied by the European Union and demands compensation in this regard

Yes, they wanted to spit in the same European Union on Estonia’s claims. The dog barks - the caravan (the European Union) is walking (although it is walking and limping on both legs, but still walking)

"And it will be possible to rob cows ..." (c) the people's Internet

[Chervonny]

Quote: bessmertniy

Estonia will swing rights

And what good will it be? No. In this case, I don’t understand one thing, why we don’t file counterclaims.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Red

In this case, I don’t understand one thing, why we don’t file counterclaims

And to become like all sorts of Poles - the Baltic states? When some mongrel barks at you on the street, do you bark at it too?

[Vadmir]

When some mongrel barks at you on the street, do you bark at it too?

From my own experience I know that if a dog, even a small one, gets into a rage, it can pull, so it’s not too bad to poke a dog or stamp it with your foot - this is sobering, and the tail is immediately tightened. Especially useful if there are a lot of dogs.

[Ka-52]

therefore, it’s not superfluous to poke on the little dog or stomp with your foot - this is sobering, and the tail is immediately tightened.

these provocations are just started with a similar purpose - to provoke a reaction from Russia, so that later they start shouting in all the media about "we are a small but proud people suffering from an aggressive imperial neighbor."

[kotvov]

these provocations are just being conceived for a similar purpose - to provoke a reaction of Russia ,,
Suggest to wipe yourself? It is necessary to officially accept, at least by the same Duma, a message (well, whatever you want to call it) where, when, how this very treaty was excluded from international obligations. Otherwise, for every reason, any nerds, or tricks, will raise the thunder.

[Piramidon]

Quote: kotvov

Suggest to wipe yourself?

Nobody wipes himself off, but neither does he bark back. The import of goods from these rogues is limited (they are always looking with an outstretched hand wherever the dough can be easily cut down), the transportation of goods through their ports is reduced ... They beat them at their most painful place - in the "pocket", instead of empty torrents.

[kotvov]

This should ALWAYS be done, and not boast of an increase in trade volumes. Remind me what Putin said or do you remember yourself about the Nazi state of Ukraine?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Vadmir

From my own experience I know that if a dog, even a small one, gets into a rage, it can pull, so it’s not too bad to poke a dog or stamp it with your foot - this is sobering, and the tail is immediately tightened. Especially useful if there are a lot of dogs.

Also from experience: you don’t need to click or stomp, but quietly growl with a bass showing volume
lungs and confidence. It also works on a flock of feral ones - tails between their legs and "wither".

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Piramidon

When some mongrel barks at you on the street, do you bark at it too?

Tongue removed

[AnderS]

In this case, I don’t understand one thing, why we don’t file counterclaims.

Well, you, as you can, some interested persons withdraw through the Baltic states loot to the west. Why deprive yourself of an alternative way to withdraw money? Well, as the Baltic states, in response to claims from Russia, transit accounts will be arrested, on which a couple of hundred lyam greens will hang ... This is impossible to prevent ....

[sharp-lad]

Sashiki has already covered almost all ways of withdrawing financial resources from Russia through the Baltic states.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: bessmertniy

The European Union will crumble, and Estonia will swing the law that it was occupied by the European Union and demands compensation in this regard

No, it will not. By that time, the Baltic peoples will be included in the register of disappearing small peoples, and therefore there will be no one to demand. During the years of independence, they lost a third of the population, and these years were quite fat and fat due to the not bad base left over from the USSR and subsidies from the EU. Now the legacy of the "scoop" has been raided and stolen, subsidies from the EU are being cut, and the prospect of the next 30 years is such that if they achieve an outflow of Russian-speaking non-citizens, then only a quarter of the existing population and then the elderly will survive there, moreover, with the possibility of becoming a military training ground ... Soon, returning to the "Russian occupation" will become a dream for them, because only this can save them from extinction.

[hydrox]

If we recall the "deeds of days gone by," then it would be appropriate to recall that, as a result of the conclusion of the Nystadt Peace with Charles the Ninth in 1721, Peter the First BOUGHT the entire Baltic region for 2 million efimks (about 60 tons of silver), but in my opinion, Peter overpaid - you could take it as conquered, FREE OF CHARGE.

[major147]

Quote: bessmertniy

The European Union will crumble, and Estonia will swing the right that it was occupied by the European Union and demands compensation in this regard.

Such is the fate of the Limitrophs.

[Den717]

Quote: Hagalaz

Well, sometimes Zakharova, of course, frankly mumbles in her comments.

In fact, in the words of Zakharova, in this case, there is an undisguised threat.

Maria Zakharova on this occasion wrote that the Estonian authorities have problems not with the past, but with the future

Translated into Russian, this means that in this situation, Estonia should not count on any positive relations with Russia. But the Balts began to show their rulers dissatisfaction with the current relations with Russia, especially in the economic sphere. And this Kirsty did not just seek an audience with Putin. With these statements, together with others, she negates all positive undertakings. At the same time, realizing that nothing practical positive for Estonia will come of these statements. The United States, pushing the Balts to aggravate relations with the Russian Federation, are trying to back them up with Polish guarantees of military aid, but, oh God, the Poles disagreed with this feint with striped ears !!! In the near future, we should expect an aggravation of groans from the Baltic states about the "Soviet occupation", because economic projects of additional funding from the EU are being sequestered, and our "exes" have only one profitable product left - active Russophobia. Poles have about the same problem, although there is still some industry and agriculture.

[Hagalaz]

Quote: Den717

Quote: Hagalaz

Well, sometimes Zakharova, of course, frankly mumbles in her comments.

Actually, in the words of Zakharova, in this case ....

So I do not regard this case as a mumble

[Den717]

Quote: Hagalaz

So I do not regard this case as a mumble

So I don’t refute you, but on the contrary I support the following phrase. In any case, I take into account.

[major147]

Quote: Hagalaz

Quote: Den717

Quote: Hagalaz

Well, sometimes Zakharova, of course, frankly mumbles in her comments.

Actually, in the words of Zakharova, in this case ....

So I do not regard this case as a mumble

I do not agree! She is from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and not from the Moscow Region, but she is threatened in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in her own way.

[Hagalaz]

Yours, in general, took it as some kind of disagreement. Now everything is clear

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hagalaz

Immediately, Zakharova clearly expressed the idea that the claims of the Baltic states are unfounded. No excess dust.

But as a diplomat, she should know that the question of whether the Tartu Peace Treaty is valid is not a definite answer. For this, one of the parties needs to denounce this agreement. Until Russia does this, these pointless conversations will be conducted.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Hagalaz

Immediately, Zakharova clearly expressed the idea that the claims of the Baltic states are unfounded. No excess dust.

Valid is Nishtad Treaty 1721gaccording to which Estonia was part of Russia THIRD TWO YEARS OLD!

GOLD-2 million yefimka was paid for it.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Olgovich

GOLD-2 million yefimka was paid for it.

Let them give it. And Narva too)))

[major147]

Quote: 52 master

how much you can chew snot, we are so witty.

And what to do !? To bomb Tallinn?

[hydrox]

Why bomb?
Tired of sovereignty, they themselves lean against someone (from those who are not poor!)

[rocket757]

"Apparently, the crisis of development - there is nothing to attract the electorate."

Was she joking ??? There really is some kind of development going on, weaving. although it’s creeping ???

[Uncle lee]

to this day there is no sovereign state ...

And stop rustling ....

[Same lech]

Kaljulaid said that Estonia joined the USSR "not voluntarily."

In fact, Estonia was bought by Peter 1 from the Swedes.

the deal was closed on September 10, 1721. For the territory of Ingria, part of Karelia, Estliaidia and Livonia, Pyotr Alekseevich paid 2 million rubles. At the current rate, without accrued interest, this is about $ 350 billion.

Please, the Baltic states return these denyuzhki of modern Russia as the legal successor.
https://201day.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/петр-i-купил-прибалтику-у-шведской-коро/

[svp67]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Please, the Baltic states return these denyuzhki of modern Russia as the legal successor.

That is why they stand up for the "Tartus treaty", since the RSFSR rejected all such claims under it. But the trouble is, any agreement is valid only as long as its clauses are adhered to by the signatory parties. It's time not just to speak to Maria Zakharova, but to summon the Estonian ambassador and hand over a note that on the basis of this and that, in modern, prevailing conditions, Russia no longer considers itself a party to the implementing article of this treaty, and there is also a lot of We transferred them a lot of foreign state real estate and proposed to conclude a new agreement.

[den3080]

Quote: svp67

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Please, the Baltic states return these denyuzhki of modern Russia as the legal successor.

That is why they stand up for the "Tartus treaty", since the RSFSR rejected all such claims under it. But the trouble is, any agreement is valid only as long as its clauses are adhered to by the signatory parties. It's time not just to speak to Maria Zakharova, but to summon the Estonian ambassador and hand over a note that on the basis of this and that, in modern, prevailing conditions, Russia no longer considers itself a party to the implementing article of this treaty, and there is also a lot of We transferred them a lot of foreign state real estate and proposed to conclude a new agreement.

And I, too, think: how irresponsible were Lenin and his clique :)) after the revolution. Stalin quickly realized this and began to collect the handed out. Then Khrushchev happened - again 25, he gave Crimea from the lord’s shoulder, .. Brezhnev is relatively normal, and then Tagged and Alkash in a row ...
Here's the trouble ... what kind of bear will come after GDP. According to the recent history of Russia, this is how it turns out. The turn of the next destroyer of Russia is approaching ... God forbid.
will it be possible to change the constitution in such a way as to defend oneself "from the fool" ???
I personally have little faith.

[cniza]

It’s time not just to speak to Maria Zakharova, but to call on the Estonian ambassador and give a note

Too much for them, they just wait for this to be noticed ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

what kind of bear comes after GDP. According to the recent history of Russia, this is how it turns out. The turn of the next destroyer of Russia is approaching ... God forbid.
will it be possible to change the constitution in such a way as to defend oneself "from the fool" ???
I personally have little faith.

So, you and your children, if any, will have to live with the collapse of Russia, anarchy, lawlessness and civil war. Get ready. Or expect to end before?

[den3080]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

what kind of bear comes after GDP. According to the recent history of Russia, this is how it turns out. The turn of the next destroyer of Russia is approaching ... God forbid.
will it be possible to change the constitution in such a way as to defend oneself "from the fool" ???
I personally have little faith.

So, you and your children, if any, will have to live with the collapse of Russia, anarchy, lawlessness and civil war. Get ready. Or expect to end before?

I am in an adult state, plus, with small children, I survived the “era” of tagged and drunk. I don’t want a repetition.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

You yourself wrote that the turn of the next destroyer of Russia is approaching. And that you do not believe in the opportunity to defend oneself.
And now write that you do not want a repetition.
One does not fit with the other.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: den3080

And I’m thinking, too: how irresponsible Lenin and his clique were :))

Exactly Lenin? Or maybe remember the order number 1 of the Petrograd Soviet? Which then were driven by the Mensheviks and Social Democrats? And the result of which was the complete collapse of the army? Was Lenin to personally defend Peter on horseback and with a saber? In one person? Well, or at the head of a combined platoon from the Central Committee? Actually, it would not be enough, one platoon for the whole sprat ..

[kotvov]

Yes, you can see smarter than Lenin and Stalin. And in that situation they would have done everything differently.

[major147]

Quote: svp67

call the Estonian ambassador and give a note,

Is there a lot of honor in responding to the barking of each mongrel of a sub-fence? Shicked at her, and enough.

[reservist]

I can't understand how they connect modern Estonia with Estonia of the "1920s model"?
After all, the Estonian USSR left the USSR, and not the Estonian state that existed before the Second World ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: svp67

But the trouble is, any agreement is valid for as long as its points are adhered to by the signatory parties.

This is not entirely true.
In 1940, Estonia became part of the USSR, ceasing to exist as an independent state, and the Tartu Peace Treaty between Soviet Russia and Estonia immediately ceased to exist.
No state - no contract

[Piramidon]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

In fact, Estonia was bought by Peter 1 from the Swedes.

It was not Estonia that was bought (there was no such country then), but the territory on which it subsequently formed.

[Chervonny]

If there are no brains, they will not be. And even European integration will not help in their acquisition (of brains). And it will be them, Estonia, to be ruled by other countries that have brains.

[Chaldon48]

Well, here's another one ready to sulk until the "victorious" end, a little more and you can write "Great Estonia" on it. Only this must be done with caution.

[Thrifty]

And why not demand the money spent on them-all, and with interest! There the amount will be astronomical, they will give interest only 5 thousand years. ..

[cniza]

Quote: Thrifty

There the amount will be astronomical, they will give interest only 5 thousand years. ..

And there is nothing to give back where they will take the money, therefore only the territory should remain.

[master 52]

we’ve been demanding something for the last time, maybe it’s time to give it so that they don’t take it away

[orionvitt]

Quote: master 52

they’ve been demanding something lately, maybe it’s time to give it so that

Exactly. Like in that joke. They gave painfully, but not offensively, everyone got it.

[cniza]

Quote: 52 master

we’ve been demanding something for the last time, maybe it’s time to give it so that they don’t take it away

Everything goes to this ...

[major147]

Quote: 52 master

we’ve been demanding something for the last time, maybe it’s time to give it so that they don’t take it away

The petitioners are still humming pitifully because of the NATO fence, but whoever comes to get "theirs" will "get"!

[Air force]

Estonians were slower than what they are told in jokes, 100 years have passed and they began to discuss the agreement signed by him. About 50 years later, unless such a country remains, they will understand that they are talking nonsense and we should agree with Russia on the resumption of cargo transit through Estonia, but they will discover the terrible secret that Russia has long been in Estonia as a transit country. The tight-witty intellect involved in ambitions and Russophobia causes only contempt, even reluctance to laugh at them, only to spit and forget.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Air Force

About 50 years later, unless of course such a country remains, they will understand that they are talking nonsense and we should agree with Russia on resuming transit of goods through Estonia

Ten years later, everything will need to be rebuilt, does Russia need it? That's what life-giving independence does. There was infrastructure and there is none. Wonders.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Air Force

Estonians were slower than they are told in jokes

The human body contains 80% of the fluid, it is simply inhibitory for Estonians.

[rotmistr60]

“We must demand reparations”

In turn, in line for reparations, or you may not have time to distribute historical slap from Russia. Nevertheless, it was correctly noticed in Russia - a small bug, but smelly.

[bessmertniy]

All claims are against tsarist Russia and the USSR and against those ancient Ests who signed treaties with them.

[Adam Khomich]

And they want this money from Russia!
Yes Yes! Euro carrot ends, and eat hotstsa.

[Ros 56]

Khomich - such a surname? I have a good acquaintance with her.

[Well done]

They want money. This is a normal desire. But there is such an organ that is "put on the collar".

[Strashila]

Want is not harmful.
"The Treaty of Tartu, which was signed exactly 100 years ago," remains valid today "" and the deed of Peter 1 is in effect 300 years later, no one in the EU has canceled the law on restitution.
The Poles are a hedgehog that squeals a lot, and the Germans quietly return their property through the courts.

[cniza]

It is time for us, quietly and peacefully, to work in the courts.

[farrux_2606]

SOBAKI LAYUT, KARAVAN IDET

[aszzz888]

Although a sovereign state is not there to this day ...

Yes. There is no place for him to take it. One brake.

[cniza]

The history of the state of Estonia, in short, is smaller in volume than their constitution.

[cniza]

In addition, Kaljulaid said that Estonia joined the USSR “not voluntarily”.

Give her copies of the documents, let her read ...

[Lamata]

to shove such statistics into the nose of the Tribalts, what and how much was built under the German occupation and under the Soviet "occupation" has already been pulled up. More likely, we don't owe anything, period.

[Retvizan 8]

I watch more and more politicians from Eastern European countries "roll their lips" are beginning to demand any reparations from Russia, but they do not want to receive trepanation for such statements?))

[tihonmarine]

Meanwhile, in Estonia itself, ordinary citizens are skeptical about the constant mention of the Tartu Treaty in the modern context.

Yes, the people are somehow indifferent to mouse fuss, and young people have no idea about this agreement.

[Ros 56]

The Chukhon ear-jacks imagined themselves to be the state. Do not miss your time, everyone will receive earrings.

[Jarserge]

A joke with a beard, but still ...

If the diplomat says yes, it means maybe
If the diplomat says “maybe” - it means “no”
If a diplomat says no, then that’s not a diplomat.

If the military says yes, it means maybe
If the military says no, it means no
If a military man says "maybe" - then this is not a military man.

If a girl says no, it means maybe
If a girl says “maybe” - it means “yes”
If a girl says yes, then it’s not a girl ...

[prior]

Everything is as always in the political theater of the absurd: to read here - not to read here, to play here - not to play here ....
Here it is, this is international law ...

[Mentat]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Hagalaz

Immediately, Zakharova clearly expressed the idea that the claims of the Baltic states are unfounded. No excess dust.

But as a diplomat, she should know that the question of whether the Tartu Peace Treaty is valid is not a definite answer.

There is a definite answer: with the entry into the USSR and the voluntary transformation of an independent Estonian state into an administrative unit of the USSR, the Tartu Treaty expired, as Estonia no longer existed as a separate state; there were no longer subjects of this treaty. Such a position, based on events and documents on joining the USSR, is held by Russia, and, obviously, diplomat Zakharov.

[musorg]

You can’t remember, but you need to do it, and not throw words around!

[Operator]

And why is the agreement precisely from 1920, and not from 1721, on the sale of Russia with all the giblets of Estonia and Livonia?

[sharp-lad]

Well, it's simple, in 1721 there was no Estonia even in the plans of the local population!

[Ax Matt]

I just laugh in my voice over these curates and labuses and over their idiocy! Here at the border we constantly rode before them, either to the water park in Tartu and Värska, or to car services in Riga ... They were so glad that we came with their money to their recreational (weekend) vacations, that the price tags were ready write in Russian and arrange discount days by posting information about it on all border posts in Russia. And everyone was happy: I took 2,5 kg. salmon (freshly frozen) for 300 rub. on the red price tag and spent real pennies for the whole day at the water park! AND NOW !? And now everything is fine !!! Several hypermarkets are being built at once BECAUSE all of Latvia and Estonia are now being purchased from us !!!! A friend from Riga goes for food here for two days. And this is beneficial for them: they wander around with crowded trolleys between rows of goods and are very pleased with it. But their stores now - .... well, you understand So they just have to quietly yapping.

[Puhly67]

Lettayte by the Samollauts of the Estonian Avalines. they are just as fast. like trains !!!!!

[Givi_49]

The number of Estonia on the Russian Internet is not adequate to the rights of the Russian-speaking population of Estonia.

[lvov_aleksey]

I'm already bored by local experts in politics

[zombirusrev]

In Estonia, in 1919, the Estonian communist government was overthrown by white forces and interventionists, so let them remain silent. Their big white people did not ask. They shot Kingisepp and terrorized the others against the left, and then kicked the whites too.

[Nick]

Quote: zombirusrev

In Estonia, in 1919, the Estonian communist government was overthrown by white forces and interventionists, so let them remain silent.

Many people remember only what is beneficial to them. Estonia among them.

[boni592807]

What is our diplomatic Foreign Ministry !!!
They are rude and always (almost) striving for their USA. They would have said to Estonia that "... they are ALREADY tired of the rudeness of Their property and having connected a" still good lawyer "expelled the" Indians "from their own US land .. This is if there are documents in THEIR (US) archives.

And now specifically world history!
"...Nistadt world (Swede. Freden i Nystad) - a peace treaty between the Russian kingdom and the Kingdom of Sweden, which ended the Northern War of 1700-1721. Signed on August 30 (September 10), 1721 in the city of Nishtadt (now part of Finland; the Swedish name is Nyustad, the Finnish name is Uusikaupunki). It was signed on the part of Russia by Jacob Bruce and Andrei Osterman, on the part of Sweden - Johan Lillienstedt and Otto Strömfeld.

The treaty changed the Russian-Swedish border, previously secured by the Stolbovsky Peace Treaty of 1617. Sweden recognized accession to Russia Livonia, Estland, Ingermanland, parts of Karelia (the so-called Old Finland) and other territories [1]. Russia pledged to pay Sweden monetary compensation for Livonia and Estonia and return Finland.

Ratified on September 9 (20). On September 10, 1721, celebrations were held in Moscow on the occasion of the Nystadt Peace. Victory in the Northern War has put Russia among the largest European states .... "
Maybe TIME ALREADY !!! The guard is tired ...

[nnz226]

Why didn’t Zakharova recall that the provisions of the Nishtad peace of 1721 apply?