One can only dream of a Soviet pension!

One can only dream of a Soviet pension!

Our guarantor of the constitution, in spite of the fact that he decided to slightly amend this constitution, still managed to please us again. His current message to the Federal Assembly was truly humane: it was just right to burst into tears of happiness.


But where are the pensioners?


I, a senior pensioner, a writing journalist with 40 years of experience, was surprised by myself, but I rested and listened to the head of state to the end. For the first time, a large half of the message, the first one, was devoted to a common people: demography in general, children, the family, and everything connected with it.

It is clear that the arena applauded and, frankly, it was for what. The proposed measures to support the family and the birth rate really deserve applause (without irony). But this is what confused me in the first place ... For the first time (I can be wrong, but it seems, really for the first time) the president, in speaking about the social policy of the state, never mentioned pensioners.

Of course, the family is the main thing, children are the main thing, their upbringing and education is the main thing, as our president spoke about. But where are our old people who bake pies for their grandchildren, read fairy tales, talk about the Great Patriotic War? Moreover, for many, not yet old people, after the pension reform, as they say, it’s burnt out.


And they, the elderly, and especially almost the elderly, meanwhile, are becoming more and more in our society. Rosstat says that today retirees make up 25,9 percent of the population. But this is when calculating in the old way, not taking into account the increase in the retirement age.

Therefore (excuse me) a mistake was made: now there will be fewer pensioners: the retirement age is increasing thanks to our government and the president, who gave the go-ahead for the next pension reform. The first estimates give savings for 800 thousand people. Further, I repeat, there will be more.

The head of state, as we recall, and for this we can’t help but give him credit as he could for a long time rested on raising the retirement age. Indeed, the next elections were coming! Then somehow he quickly and quietly stopped pushing. Again, it is clear: they chose with a bang, in fact giving a carte blanche to any unpopular measures.

By the way, I personally am not so against raising the retirement age, but with one essential condition: not to expel people who have reached retirement age if they themselves do not want to. However, we’ll talk about raising the retirement age separately - there are some very interesting tricks there.


Senior citizens, will we live with dignity?


So, the president did not mention the pensioners, but suggested something abruptly: “... to fix the principles of decent pension provision in the Basic Law”. As a journalist and a person, I was always interested in the question: what is a decent salary and what is a decent pension, which the International Labor Organization constantly talks about?

So, there are their own international troubles. For example, in South and Central Africa, the cost of living (not worthy, but the cost of living, according to the ILO) is 2 (two!) Dollars per day. Apparently, each person has his own worthy parameters. Five cents is enough for someone to feel happy, and for someone give a million.

In our native country, the average pension now is, according to the same Rosstat, 14500 rubles. But this is very average. My friend from Tuapse, a librarian with higher education, has a pension of 8 thousand. And, for example, Olga Golodets, who was lucky enough to work for several years at Norilsk Nickel, had 200 thousand a month.

Moreover, mind you, this was in 2010, when she (not her friend, but Olga Golodets) was called to the government, that is, for more than nine years, she also received a percentage. And I understand that the deputy prime minister does not have a miserable state pension, but a corporate one. Yes, from such a reputable company.

Of course, it’s not good to count money in someone else’s pocket. But the arithmetic mean of our bashfulness does not change in any way. And something tells me that 200 thousand ministers or deputy prime ministers are closer to decent retirement benefits than 8 thousand librarians.

Moreover, how worthy a pension can be considered to be very dependent on our place of residence. The whole country, not hiding, envies Moscow pensioners with their “Sobyaninsky”, or rather, Luzhkov’s premium of 6500 rubles for the unemployed. But after all, 20 Moscow pensions, taking into account capital prices and housing and communal services tariffs, are not a level of decent life, but a level of survival.

Although it is impossible not to admit that you will not find better in any other region, even taking into account some northern payments. Try to at least calculate your capabilities to provide the most necessary, relying on the official cost of living somewhere in Khakassia. It is unlikely that the ends will meet.

Not so long ago, again in Rosstat, it was estimated that the poorest pensioners live with us in Kabardino-Balkaria - there the basic pension for a few kopecks is more than the official living wage. But some decent, although hardly worthy, pensions were found in the Tyumen and Belgorod regions, where there are many enterprises with decent salaries.

The fundamental question


So, if we want to introduce the principles of decent retirement benefits into the constitution, we must understand what “decent” means. Let's try to understand this matter with social policy experts. I can’t help but sneak: not with the actors, musicians and dancers who were invited to discuss and amend the constitution. Alas, our experts are sovereign people and, of course, are not ready to voice their names in not very convenient circumstances. But this does not reduce their level of competence.

So, according to them, the standard of living of pensioners over the past 15 years has increased significantly. In 2010, valorization took place, and pensions increased for everyone - they became higher than the subsistence level. From a monetary point of view, we can talk about a decent pension. That is, a pensioner can buy a package of food and services provided for by the state consumer basket on his pension.

But, firstly, we all know the scale of our consumer baskets, especially for senior citizens. Secondly, in a civilized world, an elderly person should have the possibility of self-realization, the ability to communicate with neighbors, friends, and relatives living in other regions.

Experts say: the vector of our pension policy should be aimed at ensuring that an elderly person can not only buy a consumer basket, but also live actively, be involved in a wide communication network.

What lies ahead?


Meanwhile, there are world standards of decent retirement. According to the norms of the International Labor Organization, the level of compensation for wages should be at least 40 percent. In the post-Soviet period, this has never happened before.

For the first time, the unforgettable Alexander Pochinok spoke about this in 2001 (at that time the Minister of Labor), when he introduced the new Labor Code. And he made it clear that during the development of the Code such a proposal was discussed, but did not take place. It is easy to guess who and why he was not “composed” of.

By the way, why is it necessary to introduce in the Constitution of the Russian Federation an indefinite wording on the principles of decent retirement benefits, and not to introduce quite definite, specific parameters into the Labor Code — to fix the same 40 percent? I agree: a stupid question, because the answer is too obvious.


In our newest stories there were periods when we were approaching 35 percent of the reimbursement of earnings, experts recall. I recall this time. But 35 was for those who received the most modest salary (nannies, breakdowns, etc.) so that people would not die out. And those who had a good education, experience, positions, retired at best with a quarter of earnings, and more often - less. But now we do not reach it.

Closer to completion, it’s a bit personal: when I took out a pension a few years ago, I was credited with 8 percent of the earnings of recent years! Thanks to the fact that I continued to work, some more tears came to me.

It is clear that the size of the pension is a derivative of wages. And it is clear that the salary and, accordingly, the pension cannot be the same for the minister or director of a large enterprise with their worries, stress and, for example, a postman or the same librarian. But if each of them honestly performed his labor duty, he should have the right to live actively in old age, and not make ends meet.

Let me remind you that in the interval from 2015 to 2018, the real incomes of the population did not grow. Despite the fact that they were never tall in principle. Alas, there are no distinct prerequisites for a substantial increase in salaries and, in general, population incomes. And this means that in the foreseeable future a theoretically worthy pension is unlikely to threaten us.

So will the constitutional amendment be of practical use? Experts say evasively: time will tell. Indeed, who knows these "48 conductors"? What if they find the right wording?

PS Each has its own position in evaluating facts and events. The author of the article has one. The editors do not mind, and even welcomes other points of view.
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  1. Timeout 30 January 2020 06: 03 New
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    So will the constitutional amendment be of practical use? Experts say evasively: time will tell. Indeed, who knows these "48 conductors"? What if they find the right wording?
    Almost pensioners, and we still believe in fairy tales ... When did the current government do something in favor of an ordinary person, a citizen of the Russian Federation? Never! So it will be as before, and perhaps even worse.
    1. Finches 30 January 2020 06: 22 New
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      Well, what can I say? Except, remember the words attributed to Joseph Vissarionovich: "Lenin left us a great legacy, we - his heirs - all this ...! '

      And then with a share of bitter enthusiasm with faith in the future tighten:

      "And the battle continues again, And the heart is anxious in the chest.
      And Lenin is so young, And young - October is ahead! "

      laughing
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 06: 26 New
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        And then with a share of bitter enthusiasm with faith in the future tighten:

        No, this is no longer relevant ... We can sing it)) But the younger generations just laugh. They don’t even know much about "Tagged" ..
        1. Finches 30 January 2020 06: 29 New
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          So young - when they get a little older and begin to understand at least something that they simply won’t live up to retirement under capitalism - I assure you, they will immediately recognize and prolong this song!
          1. Timeout 30 January 2020 06: 56 New
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            they will immediately recognize and drag out the same song!

            Prior to living before that ...
      2. sailor roman 30 January 2020 11: 01 New
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        The main trouble of Russia is that it is poor. Yes, of course, we have huge reserves of natural resources, but all this is secondary and, by and large, not important. The wealth of the state is not determined by the welfare of the tiny elite, and all the more not by the mineral resources. All these are ordinary tales that have nothing to do with reality.
        The wealth of the state is determined by only one criterion - how its inhabitants live. Moreover, not by the principle of “average temperature in the hospital”, but by focusing on the poorest and broadest sections of the working people, villagers ... those who are the creators of industry and agricultural products. The author said well "not with the actors, musicians and dancers who were invited to discuss and amend the constitution."
        Therefore, speaking of the country's wealth, it makes no sense to describe palaces and hunting grounds. You need to look at what working people eat and what clothes they are wearing.
    2. Uncle lee 30 January 2020 06: 25 New
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      Pensioners for the state spent material, retired and into the "wooden mac"!
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 06: 30 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Senior citizens for waste material

        Not only pensioners, all the people ....
        1. Lexus 30 January 2020 08: 11 New
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          retired and into the "wooden mac"!

          Not only pensioners, all the people ....

          Walked and never reached, like a donkey for a carrot. He died on the way. In order not to treat yet.
      2. Mar.Tirah 30 January 2020 08: 08 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        retired and into the "wooden mac"!

        And there is
      3. vladimirvn 30 January 2020 10: 31 New
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        You're lying! Do not take it! I will live on evil to my native state. By getting the pension as long as possible and choose all the benefits. I will not make life easier for them!
        1. Ragoz 31 January 2020 00: 41 New
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          vladimirvn:
          Correctly. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
        2. Nick 1 February 2020 01: 08 New
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          You're lying! Do not take it! I will live on evil to my native state. By getting the pension as long as possible and choose all the benefits. I will not make life easier for them!

          If you do not live in Moscow, then you will not receive all the benefits. You PFR 10-15 percent "shoe". A long-time acquaintance of mine recently applied for a pension in Moscow, so his conscription service in the SA was protected in seniority with a coefficient of 2, that is, for 2 years of service, he got 4 years of seniority. In the Vladimir region, for example, this is not. I think the same is true in other non-capital regions. In addition, if you worked in the late 90s and early 00s in private organizations, which, as you know, kept all kinds of reports at that time and handed over somehow, then you risk losing these years from work experience, not looking at the entries in the workbook, although by law the entry in the workbook is up to 01.01. 2002, is considered the main and sufficient proof of seniority, but only in Moscow. In the Vladimir region, for example, alas, they don’t think so.
        3. user 1 February 2020 04: 05 New
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          By getting the pension as long as possible and choose all the benefits.


          God grant you health!
      4. Starover_Z 30 January 2020 22: 16 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Pensioners for the state spent material, retired and into the "wooden mac"!

        Nevertheless, a pensioner is not a match for a pensioner, alas:
        According to the Russian media, Dmitry Medvedev, as a former president, has the right to monthly maintenance (life-time), which is 75% of the president’s salary
        https://topwar.ru/167315-putin-opredelil-zarplatu-medvedeva-na-novoj-dolzhnosti.html -
        Putin determined the salary of Medvedev in a new position.

        Not from there we retire, not from there ....
        1. serezhasoldatow 30 January 2020 22: 49 New
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          It turns out that not only military pensioners have been imposed a degrading coefficient. LADIES will not pay the whole pension either. Interest will soon catch up with him.
    3. Svarog 30 January 2020 07: 12 New
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      .. When the current government did something in favor of an ordinary person, a citizen of the Russian Federation? Never!

      Golden words ... Now everything is done for the good of the oligarchs and bureaucrats-billionaires. These people forgot about the people. Pension reform is genocide. And I’m sure those who have muddied it will still be attracted .. According to the Constitution, Russia is a social state .. Where is the guarantor of the Constitution, why from the social, for 20 years, there were only one lumps?
      1. Lexus 30 January 2020 08: 15 New
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        Pension reform is genocide.

        Vladimir, poverty is genocide. Therefore, "to produce it" is not commanded.
        1. Nyrobsky 30 January 2020 12: 00 New
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          Quote: lexus
          Vladimir, poverty is genocide; therefore, it is not commanded to “produce it”

          To prevent people from experiencing illusions about the upcoming struggle of the state against poverty, the Ministry of Labor, updated after the resignation of the government, has already taken the initiative to cut back мinimical пlife-giving мat least, due to the fact that the price of vegetables! decreased. If the MMM decreases, then given the fact that the Minimum Size of Labor Payment is tied to it, we can expect its decrease. The seasonal fluctuation in the price of vegetables will go away in a month or two, and the decision to reduce the MMM and the minimum wage will remain for years. The real fight against poverty will most likely be associated with a change in the criteria for assessing it according to the principle - there is housing, not a beggar (arrange self-employment, share a tenant and shred cabbage from it. There is a car - not a beggar (arrange with / employment and get rid). a summer residence, all the more not a beggar, but a landowner - arrange for employment, grow greens and sell at least wholesale, at least bundles at retail. minimal norms and concepts inherited from the USSR are and are in the process of dismantling.Not for nothing in the autumn, Medvedev signed a decree on the abolition of all normative acts in force since the USSR.The real infringement (genocide) of elderly citizens and the poor, i.e. the poor, is still ahead only rework the legal framework.
      2. Timeout 30 January 2020 08: 16 New
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        And I'm sure those who muddied it will still attract ..

        They can and canonize ...
        Quote: Svarog
        According to the Constitution, Russia is a social state ..

        It is also secular ... And what do God's servants do? They can squeeze the kindergarten out and pay off the article, taxes are also not about them.
        Quote: Svarog
        Where is the guarantor of the Constitution,

        Is he a guarantor? Only a slurred meccan from a zombie.
        1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 09: 04 New
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          It is also secular ... And what do God's servants do? They can squeeze the kindergarten under the parish and get rid of the article, taxes are also not about them

          quite nice pretty secular people ... here is the deacon with his dearest half ... wassatArkhangelsk Deacon on Goa.



          1. Nick 1 February 2020 01: 24 New
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            Quote: Aerodrome
            Quote: Timeout

            It is also secular ... And what do God's servants do? They can squeeze the kindergarten under the parish and get rid of the article, taxes are also not about them

            quite nice pretty secular people ... here is the deacon with his dearest half ... wassatArkhangelsk Deacon on Goa.




            And what, clergymen are not people? My friend flies to Goa every two years in the winter for a month. The watchman works. Why can the watchmen be allowed, but not the priest according to yours?
          2. Andrews Answer 1 February 2020 18: 14 New
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            quite normal White Sea landscapes, and photo 1 is on Kaninom Nosu
        2. Nick 1 February 2020 01: 20 New
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          And what do God's servants do? They can squeeze the kindergarten out and pay off the article, taxes are also not about them.

          Facts in the studio.
      3. AUL
        AUL 30 January 2020 08: 20 New
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        Where is the guarantor of the Constitution,

        well, like this
        Our guarantor of the constitution, despite the fact that he decided to slightly amend this constitution.
        On the principle that what you protect is what you have ...
      4. Sotskiy 30 January 2020 10: 47 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Now everything is done for the benefit of the oligarchs and bureaucrats-billionaires. These people forgot about the people. Pension reform is genocide.

        Pension "reform" is a consequence, and the reason is in the system that was imposed on us 30 years ago.
        Every morning, on the way to work, I pass by several literally destroyed factories that each time remind me of what happened during the Union and what happened to the Russian Federation. Where will the “social network” come from if the policy of the ruling shuttles of the 90s brought to the point that even the hardware in stores is Chinese? With taxes on speculation, someone else's goods?
        1. for
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          and the reason is

          Not in the system, but in power. Any system can be corrupted or ennobled.
      5. ANB
        ANB 30 January 2020 13: 04 New
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        Social is not equally socialist.
        My grandfather in the 80s had a pension of 140, plus orders.
        The average replacement rate reached 80 percent.
    4. LeonidL 30 January 2020 07: 43 New
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      The author is sincerely mistaken only in one thing - she no longer lives in the USSR, but in a capitalist country, in which, alas, other laws, bestial, but slightly fair laws of capitalism work - "the very last survives and the salvation of those drowning is the work of those drowning themselves" . And Russia, by the way, is not in last place in caring for pensioners, believe me. In other countries that are especially proud of democracy, it is much worse, especially with medicine, but if you compare the age and benefits, and the pensions themselves, then everything is not so mournful, and if Putin succeeds in pushing through the bureaucratic cotton everything said, then will be better. Better does not mean good or excellent, although with the pensions of military men, civil servants, scientists from the military-industrial complex (Putin), it’s not bad now. Well, those who received the “gray”, “black” salary in envelopes and were glad that they didn’t deposit money in the PF alas ... All the rest had good luck in surviving.
      1. AUL
        AUL 30 January 2020 08: 29 New
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        Quote: LeonidL
        The author is sincerely mistaken only in one thing - she no longer lives in the USSR, but in a capitalist country, in which, alas, other laws, bestial, but slightly fair laws of capitalism work - "the very last survives and the salvation of those drowning is the work of those drowning themselves" .

        Incidentally, in Norway - capitalism. And in Sweden too. And here and there (except North Korea, Cuba and, in part, China). And everywhere people live. In very different ways, for example, in Norway and Nigeria. So maybe it’s not capitalism, but the rulers of a particular country?
        1. savage1976 30 January 2020 09: 19 New
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          Or is it that the people there do not suit the revolution 3 times in 100 years on the instructions of foreign governments, with the subsequent restoration of the country from the ashes?
          1. Nick 1 February 2020 01: 37 New
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            Quote: savage1976
            Or is it that the people there do not suit the revolution 3 times in 100 years on the instructions of foreign governments, with the subsequent restoration of the country from the ashes?

            And on this too.
        2. depressant 30 January 2020 10: 00 New
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          When someone is indignant at the exorbitantly high pension of a former official or deputy, who at one time irresponsibly failed to work, and they, officials and deputies, for the most part we have such people who are indignant, because there is a huge pension because the responsibility was incomparably higher than yours - for large masses of people and large objects of the national economy. So when there is a permanent failure in the work, there is no responsibility. When to receive a pension, the responsibility was.
        3. Ragoz 31 January 2020 00: 51 New
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          AUL:
          In the Russian Federation, as in an organized criminal group, the main one is not the one who commands, but the one who stands behind him.
        4. LeonidL 31 January 2020 01: 21 New
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          And who told you that there people like our conditional "cleaning lady and laborer" are satisfied with their pension? Well, Sweden is generally a country of victorious socialism, this is rather the exception.
      2. Nick 1 February 2020 01: 47 New
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        The author is sincerely mistaken in only one way - she no longer lives in the USSR, but in a capitalist country, in which, alas, ah, other laws work,

        It turns out that you are to blame for the people themselves, which allowed the USSR to collapse in 1991? Then they wanted the best, after all ... Well, in the USA, for example, capitalism is also. But pensioners live three to four times richer than ours.
        The conclusion suggests itself: you don’t need to pump power and ruin the country, you must work methodically, tediously and hard, and then, with God's help, not suddenly and not immediately, the financial situation will begin to improve.
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          There is no need to pump power and ruin the country, it is necessary to work methodically, tediously and hard, and then, with God's help, not suddenly and not immediately, the financial situation will begin to improve.


          And it’s better to immediately abandon the pension, you can imagine how the revenue side of the country's budget will increase. True, most likely you will personally stretch your legs, well, if only you did not commit a couple of tens of millions of dollars. Although then you have nothing to do in this discussion.
          1. Nick 4 February 2020 13: 52 New
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            And it’s better to immediately abandon the pension, you can imagine how the revenue side of the country's budget will increase.

            If you feel better, then of course. Your right.
    5. Mestny 30 January 2020 09: 37 New
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      When did the current government do something in favor of an ordinary person, a citizen of the Russian Federation? Never!

      But how did an ordinary person survive - by himself, in spite of the authorities?
      Stop lying enough?
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 10: 06 New
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        But how did an ordinary person survive - by himself, in spite of the authorities?
        Stop lying enough?

        Yeah, we have power and gives birth and brings up, and even feeds ... Do you even understand what you wrote? The fact of the matter is that people in Russia survive in spite of the authorities. Or are you, comrade Local, where do you live next to the feeder?
        1. Mestny 30 January 2020 12: 09 New
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          I get it.
          But it’s useless to ask your gang.
          Only one thing - do you yourself personally understand that this is a meeting lie about a power separate from the people?
          Contrary, yeah.
          Even the Internet on which you are violently speaking here is organized and maintained thanks to certain laws within the country. Adopted by the authorities.
          Or, for example, food in stores also appears due to certain rules and laws in the country.
          Or do you think that in a clean walk-field all this would work "on its own" much better?

          But all this, of course, I write here in vain. Yours have a political struggle here, a friendly howl and a desperate minuscation of the unwanted.
          What to talk about with you?
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            Even the Internet on which you are violently speaking here is organized and maintained thanks to certain laws within the country.


            Well, you turned it down. It became profitable, that's what they did. And pay the money that same gang about which you mentioned above. It is not profitable to conduct gas in Siberia for all sorts of reasons, it is not carried out. So the laws about which you mentioned are peculiar.
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        survived by itself

        It was SURVIVAL, not LIVING.
    6. user 1 February 2020 04: 03 New
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      When did the current government do something in favor of an ordinary person, a citizen of the Russian Federation?

      Interest Ask. When I was accrued a pension, according to the law, only 2001 was chosen, instead of earlier from a 5-year period. To my stupid question why? Oddly enough, my eldest son answered. Dad, they called the girls from the financial department and asked to find the lowest income of workers for the last 10 years, obviously it was 2001. And that it violates all laws and regulations, so who cares.
      And what is most interesting, I immediately believed this and did not return to this issue until today, although my pension, due to this method of calculation, has decreased at least 3 times, slightly above the cost of living.

      And now the question.
      How will my eldest son (and for some reason I think not only him, a lot of such stories) relate to all sorts of promises and calls of the Russian authorities.

      Something tells me that it’s about the same as if you were hired to build a house (for normal money), and when you built it you spread your hands and, for some reason, said that there was no money.
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    The head of state, as we recall, and for this we can’t help but give him credit as he could for a long time rested on raising the retirement age.
    Rested against ??? Something I don’t remember. Bucky was flooding that while he was president, there would be no increase - that was, yes. And to directly rested ... There was no such thing. The time has come - he asked to "show understanding" without any reproach. If he were really opposed, no government could raise the retirement age.
    1. Timeout 30 January 2020 06: 23 New
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      If he were really opposed, no government could raise the retirement age.

      This campaign is the case when the tail wags the dog ... And the king is naked !!!
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 07: 51 New
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        Oh, the minusers pulled themselves up ... Everyone believes in the infallibility of the puppet from the grandmother ...
        1. Lexus 30 January 2020 08: 18 New
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          All believe

          For them, everything that happens is God's dew. There is even a caricature of that name in the sovereign Runet. Find - you will not regret good
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            For them, everything that happens is God's dew.

            For what kind of hangover then will be ...
  3. avia12005 30 January 2020 06: 08 New
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    In Novosibirsk, an extra payment to retirement is for honorary citizens, and these are governors, some deputies, etc., more than 40 thousand rubles with an average salary in the region of just over 30 tr. And is that normal?
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      And is that normal?

      And when did they offend themselves?
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      In Novosibirsk, an extra payment to retirement is for honorary citizens, and these are governors, some deputies, etc., more than 40 thousand rubles with an average salary in the region of just over 30 tr. And is that normal?

      With us, Gorbachev .. receives a pension of 600 rubles .. this is no less surprising fact .. the man who destroyed the empire was thanked like this ..
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 07: 36 New
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        With us, Gorbachev .. receives a pension of 600 rubles .. this is no less surprising fact .. the man who destroyed the empire was thanked like this ..

        He thanked the one who is currently in power, his last. Who try to grab all the holes. The Yeltsin Center is proof of this.
      2. GenNick 30 January 2020 09: 11 New
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        And at our ours, Shushkevich, that in Viskuly he signed the pension is 1 (one) $, in your opinion about 65 rubles.
        Take an example ...
    3. LeonidL 30 January 2020 07: 46 New
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      This is normal, since it was you who voted for all of the pensioners who were satisfied with their lives. In addition, officials around the world receive good salaries. Who will go to the governors and will not steal (although it will still be) with the pension of a cleaning lady?
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 08: 11 New
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        This is normal, since it was you who voted for all of the pensioners who were satisfied with their lives.

        Wow, where did I get this information from? You’re my friend, first take an interest, and then affirm. For information, I’ve been going to the polls for 15 years already, because I know that it will still be 146%.
        1. Yehudi Menuhin 30 January 2020 09: 18 New
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          I understand that he did not specifically mean you. Although there is some truth in his words. It was we, together, who elected Yeltsin as President. And his successor in the first election won fairly. We all allowed this mess. And we continue to admit.
          1. Timeout 30 January 2020 09: 47 New
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            I understand that he did not specifically mean you.

            Personally, for it was an answer to my comment. And the rest I agree with you.
            1. Fan-fan 30 January 2020 14: 36 New
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              In vain do not go to vote, we need to complicate their carefree life to them as much as possible. Have you heard about smart voting? This is when one independent candidate is determined, i.e. the candidate is not from their gang and we all vote for him.
              And yet, all the same, election observers also make life difficult for enemies of the people, without observers they do whatever they want. Although the enemy is cunning, they are still at the stage of nominating candidates who are trying to prevent all those objectionable from getting to the polls.
            2. LeonidL 31 January 2020 01: 30 New
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              Of course I didn’t mean you personally. “You” is the majority that longed for capitalism, and upon receiving it, dreams of a time machine that will return them to the USSR, and did nothing and never did to return the USSR with its pension, or to obtain a decent standard of living under capitalism will not, just cry in a vest in any case that turns up.
    4. Glory1974 30 January 2020 09: 44 New
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      governors, some deputies, etc., more than 40 thousand rubles with an average salary in the region of just over 30 tr.

      Of course it’s not normal. Moreover, it is a threat to national security. According to the provisions of the "National Security Strategy 2020", if the minimum income in the country differs from the maximum by more than 10 times, it creates a security risk. Roughly speaking, it provokes a revolutionary situation.
  4. Pessimist22 30 January 2020 06: 32 New
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    Yeah, in the richest country in the world, a librarian pays $ 130, and deputies and other officials have tens of times more, it's some kind of joke ...
    We won’t show with fingers,

    But how many remember these days:

    Who wants to read a sermon wants to people,

    He should not eat sweeter than them.
    1. LeonidL 30 January 2020 07: 49 New
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      Explain to me why under capitalism, namely for capitalism, you screamed in '91 and dreamed of living as unemployed in France, and not engineers in the USSR, why do you have to pay a library specialist more than an official? You can pay - but for this you need to give him the appropriate salary. ... Or return the USSR, although even there the librarian received less pension than the general or academician.
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 08: 22 New
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        namely, for capitalism, you screamed in '91 and dreamed of living

        It was me in 1991, in Karabakh, I was chilling, as it was not before the performances. No need to speak for everyone, otherwise it turns out the voice of the people from the present ...
        1. Fan-fan 30 January 2020 14: 49 New
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          Yes, the people then simply cheated and now they continue to hang noodles. Our naive people are the first, the second - they defame and shut their mouths to those who “open their eyes” to the people. Therefore, our people need to act like this: if the authorities are defaming someone, then this is a signal to us that this is our person. The authorities never told the people the whole truth, for example, they didn’t say what salaries and pensions the officials would have and what people did, they didn’t say that they would take away the pensions. It amazes me, women are silent, and they have been left without pensions for 8 years. The beautiful half, huh? Will you continue to remain silent?
        2. LeonidL 31 January 2020 01: 27 New
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          “You” are the designations of the majority that supported the revolution, “you” are those who shouted that being an unemployed Frenchman is better than Soviet engineers, “you” are those who didn’t beat a finger for better money through advanced training, part-time jobs, mastering the new - “you” are those who are now crying in the vest of the state thinking that they are still the USSR ... and it has not existed since December 1991. Therefore, the advice is simple, learn to live in new conditions.
  5. bear 30 January 2020 06: 34 New
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    US government has solid Jewish names, so we are not their people, their people live in Israel laughing
    1. Maki Avellevich 30 January 2020 06: 56 New
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      US government has solid Jewish names, so we are not their people, their people live in Israel

      Well, that was the problem. always some uncle is to blame.
      try not to impose their fate in their hands. act for the good of your people, dismiss. whining from the couch - that’s it!
      it is easier to decide that bourgeois and Jews poison wells and pour sand in the bearing and whine quietly further.
      classics of the genre.
    2. Yehudi Menuhin 30 January 2020 09: 22 New
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      Stop xenophobic. You would think that the Russians are completely fools and they can be turned around as you like.
      1. Fan-fan 30 January 2020 14: 54 New
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        Unfortunately, many of our people and twirl as they please our enemies.
  6. Strashila 30 January 2020 06: 36 New
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    An anecdote of the Soviet era:
    grandmother comes to the doctor for an appointment,
    how much do you get a pension ... 120 ... you need to improve your nutrition, sanatorium, active lifestyle
    how much do you get a pension ... 100 ... you improve nutrition, an active lifestyle
    how much do you get a pension ... 80 ... you grandmother more hiking.
    Yes, in Soviet times, the same pension was different, but any worker knew in advance how much he would receive based on his salary.
    In factories, it was not uncommon for the authorities to try the last 3 years for which a pension was accrued. retirees pay more. But there was a ceiling of 120 rubles.
    My mother, received 132 rubles, left at the age of 45 on the first net, received her pension right away, and in that era it was money.
    Pension is not only the future, but also the stimulation of work in the present
    The brother came out at 55 years old on the second grid, a pension of 14000.
    This is what I mean, who will go to ruin health without a future, that’s why they don’t go to harmful production, they’re more expensive to themselves and there is no future.
    1. Russian jacket 30 January 2020 13: 58 New
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      In factories, yes, they earned pensions. And they could imagine the size. But the collective farmers basically did not have such an opportunity. Unless the collective farm is a millionaire. There were such. Example. My grandmother, who died in 1994 at the age of 84, first received a pension of 12 rubles, then 15, then 18. I remember how she was happy when in the late 80s she was added as much as five five !!!! rubles .... and she began to receive as much as 5 rubles. So you are right, there were different pensions in the Union.
      1. Fan-fan 30 January 2020 14: 59 New
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        So my grandmother also received a pension of 23 rubles, and she didn’t work at all, she was a housewife. And she got a pension through the military enlistment office, for the son of the deceased in the war.
  7. Ryaruav 30 January 2020 06: 37 New
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    these big-horned ones will not offend themselves, but they don’t give a damn about the people and ahead of this, of course, the radiant Napoleonchik is a master of sports
  8. Ross xnumx 30 January 2020 06: 47 New
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    For me, all these arguments about the fact that the elderly have become completely completely meaningless in terms of the position that the population of Russia has decreased over 30 years and not reached the 200th milestone.
    Tales about the lack of money in the PF should be stopped, as well as the payment of pensions on special conditions to those who were instructed in working age to improve indicators in the economy and demography.
    Snickering, gentlemen, folk servants! The stomachs no longer digest what you “stuff” into all openings and coffers.
    So live on an average Russian pension ...
    1. Timeout 30 January 2020 07: 00 New
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      Snickering, gentlemen, folk servants! The stomachs no longer digest what you “stuff” into all openings and coffers.
      So live on an average Russian pension ...

      Yeah, macaroni ... And that says it all.
    2. LeonidL 30 January 2020 07: 53 New
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      Your sincere anguish is understandable, but can you explain what kind of merit you need to pay the pension of a general or deputy to a cleaner or a laborer? This is capitalism in Russia, old man, capitalism ... here everyone can work.
      1. Timeout 30 January 2020 08: 28 New
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        You explain for what such merits you need to pay the pension of a general or deputy to a cleaner or laborer?

        And for the fact that this cleaning lady and this laborer contains this kodlu for her own money!
        1. LeonidL 31 January 2020 01: 14 New
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          Have mercy, dearest! Well, brainwash, leave aside the righteous proletarian anger, neither the cleaning lady nor the laborer can produce enough product even to support themselves. Capitalism you vibrated in the 91st? You did not take to the streets to support the Emergency Committee? You probably defended the white house? You did NOT defend the White House in '93? You rejoiced and rejoice getting a gray salary in an envelope from the owner, the bourgeois, etc. with whom he does not pay in PF? So live under capitalism and thank God that there is Putin who always cares about both the laborer and the librarian and the cleaning lady.
      2. Yehudi Menuhin 30 January 2020 09: 27 New
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        Please stop juggling constantly. No one argues that the cleaning lady and the general cannot receive the same pension. However, the cleaning lady's pensions should be enough for NORMAL living, and the general's pensions SHOULD NOT be enough for a villa in Cannes.
        1. Glory1974 30 January 2020 09: 46 New
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          General's retirement SHOULD NOT BE ENOUGH to a villa in Cannes.

          Yes, let it be enough, this is not the problem.
          The problem is that the pensions of ordinary people are not enough for decent living.
        2. Timeout 30 January 2020 10: 32 New
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          Please stop juggling constantly.

          Come on! Dear, have you ever thought that a laborer or a cleaner can earn more than a general, and that the pension will still be lower than his? So this happens, but it doesn’t happen that a deputy’s salary is lower than that of those listed, let alone a pension. And in the USSR deputies deputies were generally free. But alas, this understanding has not been given to violinists ...
          1. Golovan Jack 30 January 2020 10: 40 New
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            deputies in the USSR deputies or generally for free

            In the USSR, deputies were needed (for free) exclusively for decoration. She directed and directed - the CPSU, and by no means "free".

            This is so, purely for clarification.
            1. Timeout 30 January 2020 10: 44 New
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              In the USSR, deputies were needed (for free) exclusively for decoration.

              And now what, are they different from the scenery? Especially with laws worthy of ward number 6. What did they do for Russia? Only you forgot that the deputy was taking a bunch of papers with complaints and suggestions to the congress, and strangely enough they were considering them.
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                And now what, are they different from the scenery?

                Oddly enough, some of them still work.

                Quote: Timeout
                Especially with laws worthy of ward number 6

                Are you an expert? Have you studied all the adopted laws? Are they all-all for "chamber number 6"? wink

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                the deputy was carrying a bunch of papers with complaints and suggestions to the congress, and strangely enough they were examined

                That is, he worked as a carrier pigeon. For free. So we write ...

                Man, I’ve lived in the USSR for a long time. And my father - even managed to be a little bit confused, so - we know, they swam.
        3. LeonidL 31 January 2020 01: 18 New
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          And why did you, my dear, decide that the pension of a cleaning lady accrued from her and her employer of monetary contributions MUST be enough for a DECENT life? What is DECENT life in your understanding? Under capitalism, the State takes upon itself the obligation to ensure a decent life for sovereign people, for working for the State for all their lives, employees, suffering for it, etc. then fire. In principle, under capitalism, no one is especially obliged to fit in for you ... except for yourself and your loved ones.
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    3. Den717 30 January 2020 09: 08 New
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      Snickering, gentlemen, folk servants!

      But haven't you (we all in one form or another) selected them? After all, they somehow thought about whom to put a daw for.
      So we have what we have. Who is to blame now? Are there fewer people? And who was to give birth / bring them from the side? Today's youth, our children, do not want to give birth at all. They have different priorities. They themselves are to blame. With the first Russian question, who is to blame ?, is understandable in principle. The second is more interesting - what to do? Here the authors discussing the pension topic are not trying to bring anything new. Cried into vests, and figure it out yourself, as you want? Then it’s not clear why chewing on the old chewing gum about bad “servants” again? Do you think new ones will be better? Golikova, as she was "vice ..." with the social bloc bloc in the government, remained. Unless Arbidol began to help against the "Chinese" flu .... laughing In short, what was, it will be; and what has been done, it will be done ... and further on in the text ... Either the brain for the proposals for survival is not enough, or each one in himself knows how he saves. But I consider the matter of the Soviet (largely forgotten) pension as an empty matter. For from the current capitalism to go into a bygone socialism there is not even a theoretical possibility. Therefore, the departed cannot be returned. For those who are not 55, it’s still possible to collect a safety cushion and go on a well-deserved rest at 60, as planned 20-30 years ago. Those who are older are already more difficult. In any case, everyone knew for a long time that the pension was small. It was necessary to do something earlier.
  9. Vladimir_2U 30 January 2020 07: 01 New
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    And I understand that the deputy prime minister does not have a miserable state pension, but a corporate one. Yes, from such a reputable company.
    Of course, it’s not good to count money in someone else’s pocket
    With all due respect to the author, and sharing her position, opponents of the progressive tax like to use words about money in someone else’s pocket.
    And yet, Gazprom is still called the property of Russia, only Russia and pensions seem to be different.
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      words about money in someone else's pocket are very fond of using opponents of the progressive tax.

      And who is in power? So there will be no progressive tax scale.
  10. Mavrikiy 30 January 2020 07: 03 New
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    One can only dream of a Soviet pension!
    You need to understand that about the Soviet pension, it is here:
    In our recent history, there were periods when we were approaching 35 percent of compensation for earnings, experts recall. I recall this time. But 35 was for those who received the most modest salary (nannies, breakdowns, etc.) so that people would not die out. And those who had a good education, experience, positions, retired at best with a quarter of earnings, and more often - less. But now we do not reach it.
    What nonsense. The maximum pension for mere mortals was 132 rubles. All my life my parents received a salary of 220-300 rubles, and pensions of 132 rubles, where is 35% here, the author? Recount. Again, pour slop on the USSR. And you can understand, pension, this is not% of s / n, but the standard of living. In the USSR, 132 rubles. one could live with dignity, and not survive. Yes, it’s hard for the authors to promote all kinds of crap about the USSR while those who lived in it are still alive. request It seems that the article is “for the truth”, but it smells. request With such a title, they never stumbled, did not write "USSR". Well done. negative
    1. rocket757 30 January 2020 07: 15 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In the USSR, 132 rubles. one could live with dignity, and not survive. Yes, it’s hard for the authors to promote all kinds of crap about the USSR while those who lived in it are still alive.

      Suppose in the USSR there were pensions and less! BUT, to the "survival mode" some brought themselves exclusively !!!
      One can especially note the period of "stagnation" ... as some people do not belong to it, but the maximum regime of social justice was then .... until he climbed up with the tagged / damned god !!! Well then, let's go ... but that's another "song"!
      1. Per se. 30 January 2020 08: 42 New
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        Suppose in the USSR there were pensions and less!
        Yes they were. My grandfather spent most of his life working in the river fleet; he had a pension of 60 rubles. Naturally, he was not a captain, he worked on the river vessels in the simplest posts. Nevertheless, he never complained that he had little money, and most of my children's toys were mainly bought with money from my grandfather. It was not only how much they received, but also how much then utility bills, food, medicines, and everything vital were needed. It was all worth a penny, when not only retirement, but also a scholarship of 30-40 rubles could live, especially when working part-time. Most importantly, there was confidence in the future, you could always go and get a job, both for a pensioner and a student.

        I really hope that capitalism will die before us, otherwise, it is unlikely that we will have a decent future. The current government has forced many to reconsider what we had and what we got, what socialism is, and what capitalism is, without a sheep's skin, in its true, wolf face.
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          Quote: Per se.
          It was not only how much they received, but also how much then utility bills, food, medicines, and everything vital were needed.

          Now they are ready to argue about this, especially those who "did not eat bananas, with those who ate them!"
          It was, in the village pensions and less were! But sweets, GRANDMA, always gave grandchildren and ice cream!
      2. Yehudi Menuhin 30 January 2020 09: 32 New
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        In the USSR, pensions were mostly smaller. But in fairness, we recall that from 75 rubles a month it was quite possible to live.
        1. Glory1974 30 January 2020 09: 49 New
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          But in fairness, we recall that from 75 rubles a month it was quite possible to live.

          There were salaries of 40 rubles. There were scholarships of 30 rubles. But even with such a minuscule one could live without blinding of course.
          1. Yehudi Menuhin 30 January 2020 09: 55 New
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            It is possible, but already difficult. According to my own feelings, a completely comfortable life began somewhere around 75. My grandmother received 52 rubles, my grandfather 120. They had enough, and there was still
            1. rocket757 30 January 2020 10: 14 New
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              About the level of pensions ... in the village, WHY, it was possible to find pensions of about thirty, but until a certain period. During the Brezhnev stagnation period, pensions were raised to collective farm workers, this is a fact. To the level of 60 rubles! In addition, it wasn’t customary for us to leave our elderly Parents or relatives .... There were negative cases and degenerates, but this is all an exception to the rule.
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                It was believed that there was a subsidiary farm in the village, so you can pay less pension. But then leveled
                1. Russian jacket 30 January 2020 14: 15 New
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                  About leveled. My grandmother, a pensioner with more than forty years of experience, received her pension as a collective farmer after the last increase in the late 80s of as many as 23 rubles .... she died at the age of 84 in 96 of the last century. So alignment may have taken place but not everywhere, even in the USSR.
  11. rocket757 30 January 2020 07: 09 New
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    Senior citizens, will we live with dignity?

    There is no answer, because there are NO words, pi pi pi .....
    1. Mestny 30 January 2020 12: 14 New
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      Why, there is an answer.
      Want - you will. Everyone chooses for himself, all the same in the majority.
      Moreover - we, each again in the majority, have exactly what we managed to achieve with our minds.
      1. rocket757 30 January 2020 12: 20 New
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        Most, this does not mean that one ... but nothing else can be achieved.
  12. Alex66 30 January 2020 07: 28 New
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    You can make at least some amendments, as the state should be called: social, democratic, this will not change the exploitative essence of the capitalist system, the wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf. So, private ownership of the means of production ultimately determines what doesn’t shine for us, except as Putin had previously formulated: he also worked in a wooden mac.
  13. igorlvov 30 January 2020 07: 32 New
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    But after all, 20 Moscow thousand pensions, taking into account capital prices and tariffs of housing and communal services

    I have a small one in St. Petersburg and it informs about prices, one and a half to two times less than we have in Sevastopol, in Moscow I think there are no differences, according to the tariffs I have one-room rental, per month 3000 housing and communal services excluding cable TV Internet, in Moscow more?
    1. Glory1974 30 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      I have odnushka in the suburbs, 5500 with overhaul.
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        and the odnushka square? I have 30 sq m
        1. Glory1974 30 January 2020 21: 59 New
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          I have 42 sq. m. With this, little depends on the area.
          1. igorlvov 31 January 2020 08: 29 New
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            Calculation of the amount of heating fees provided in the dwelling, and utilities provided for common house needs, is carried out in accordance with the total area of ​​the room.
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              we pay a heating fee based on the spent gigacalories, which the meter counts, but there is no way to check its readings.
              Hot water is also considered by gigacalories, it goes in two lines:
              - cold water for hot water. (according to the counter)
              - the cost of heating cold water for hot.
              One UK charged for heating up to 2000 rubles! Another came, began to charge more or less sane - about 500-700 rubles.
              In general, overhaul and maintenance depend on square met.
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                I do not have hot water) shorter than xxx the same price, you have plus mountains. water, plus overhaul and maintenance is 12 sq. m more, but we have 2 times less pensions, we are talking about pensioners, I have enough salary
                1. Glory1974 31 January 2020 11: 51 New
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                  pensions, yes less. After the new year, working pensioners were horrified to find that their pensions have decreased by 5-6 thousand. At work, we are all at a loss, how is it. It seems that there are not enough workers, and they raised the dog age to work, but immediately introduced restrictive economic measures on the work of pensioners.
                  Some gathered to quit and work without registration. But if they get caught, a fine of 120 thousand! fine for working.
  14. Van 16 30 January 2020 07: 39 New
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    One of the richest countries in the world and such a boorish attitude towards his old people .. it all comes around someday ..
  15. cloud catcher 30 January 2020 07: 42 New
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    For working pensioners, indexation is not provided. In the amendments to the Constitution they want to introduce the concept of indexation to pensions, but without taking into account inflation, i.e. at best, stay with your own. The exit time is constantly shifting to the right. At the same time, no positive changes were made to the work schedule; the number of working days per week did not decrease (under the same working conditions and salary). If you need to work more (on an annualized basis), then the working conditions need to be constantly improved, and the work schedule flexible and humane for workers (for example, a 4-day working week, with a maximum working day of 9,5 hours, extra days double tariff work, and a floating weekly work schedule for serving organizations). This, could compensate, not very beloved by many, OL.
    But, I doubt the implementation of these plans, although one of the top leaders promised 4 days, do not remember who?
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  17. Million 30 January 2020 08: 10 New
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    A decent pension in the understanding of the guarantor, if only they would die quickly, because in a market economy, capitalists do not need ballast in the form of pensioners.
    1. Mestny 30 January 2020 12: 32 New
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      Yeah, unfair. it’s necessary to break everything and arrange a revolution and a civil war.
      Then, with them, pensioners will heal!
      1. Fan-fan 30 January 2020 16: 06 New
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        Or maybe a peaceful revolution will work out? Imagine, if the people's president comes to power with his team, he will be able to create a more just state. All you need to do is to better manage the country and specifically the pension fund, and now this is happening:
        “In 2018, more than 110 thousand officials (by the way, the FIU is the largest bureaucratic organization in the world) kept pension funds for Russians in Russia, the buildings it owns are the most luxurious in all republican capitals and regional centers, and the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation serves "About 1,5% of all retirement savings of Russians is spent annually (this is tens of billions of rubles)."
  18. parusnik 30 January 2020 08: 19 New
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    So, according to them, the standard of living of pensioners over the past 15 years has increased significantly. In 2010, valorization took place, and pensions increased for everyone - they became higher than the cost of living.
    ...... I willingly believe .... laughing Everything is growing here ... laughing According to them .... and taxes, and prices for products, utilities ... And most importantly, the growth is not reduced ...
    1. Ragoz 31 January 2020 01: 11 New
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      parusyik:
      Rising prices for products, goods, tariffs and services are Putin's merits.
  19. Ros 56 30 January 2020 08: 45 New
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    What is there to discuss, the fewer pensioners, the calmer the state and the more profitable the pension fund and the government and businessmen affiliated with it. Conclusions suggest themselves.
  20. Maks1995 30 January 2020 09: 23 New
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    Wow, there are still people who believe in fairy tales.
    In the yard, capitalism, the main thing is profit and money, and profit will be greater only if pensioners have less money. The piglet is small, not enough for everyone.

    From the article: 200 thousand / 8 thousand = 2500% of the profit.
    Like there: "There is no such crime ....... for the sake of 300% profit"
    1. Mestny 30 January 2020 12: 30 New
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      That is all that you understood from capitalism. Probably only this knowledge you are trying to apply.
      Of course, nothing works, such "capitalism" does not work. Therefore, naturally we must shout that he is bad, let's break everything.
      Take an interest in how it works, and capitalism is not going to die at all in other countries for centuries, but in many without colonies.
      1. Maks1995 31 January 2020 09: 28 New
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        It works there, yes. Somewhere. Somewhere does not work, despite centuries.

        But we have, as it is, the Little Piglet ......

        Let's wait "for centuries" ??? When will it work ???
  21. Mestny 30 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    Yeah, okay.
    The theme with “handouts in the form of matcapital” did not take off. Doodles, Doodles, people did not appreciate. One well-known blogger was thrown with rags with yellow stains, so much so that I had to publicly make excuses in the style of "I misunderstood me," and "I am a free person - I do what I want."
    The constitution referendum topic did not take off. There will be a referendum, and the people will come.
    What is left? Yes, for sure - pensioners.
    Well, here is the relevant article. To enhance the effect, written exclusively by “retirees with 40 years of journalistic experience”.
    As always, immediately expected in the comments a harmonious howl and vocalization about bad power and good people. About the amazingly beautiful USSR, in which, of course, everyone was paid pensions from the belly.
    Someone even managed about priests. A little off topic, but for the disgusting sediment in the brains of readers it will do.
    The method itself is quite safe. It’s not broadcasting from the screen where everyone sees you, and they can immediately cram lyuley in the comments.
    So dear wrestlers with rezhim, dear "pensioners with 40 years of experience" - in no case do not shoot a video, just write.
    That then would not have to publicly make excuses.
    1. Gardamir 30 January 2020 10: 10 New
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      Your comment, like all liberals in the style of "I see it."
      What mother capital, when you need to live every day. And where did you see the words about the referendum?
      1. Mestny 30 January 2020 12: 18 New
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        You did not understand in the heat of the political struggle with your own country.
        It is written about organized crowds of scribes of various levels who immediately rushed to trample in the mud absolutely everything that was said by the president of their country.
        In all areas, including naturally video.
        It was you here that the company dug in a cozy little world of nostalgia about the USSR. In more open places, the comments are slightly different. There people are closer. Not the one you made up for yourself here.
        1. Gardamir 30 January 2020 12: 26 New
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          I’m not inventing anything for myself, and the country is not only Putin, Volodin and others like them.
          I am not nostalgic for the USSR. He is no longer stop throwing nasty things at the departed.
          And no one is trampling what the president said, for he says one thing and does the other.
          1. Mestny 30 January 2020 12: 27 New
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            Not always. It happens and does what it says.
            This is what ALL leaders in ALL countries do under ANY regime.
            But it must be condemned, of course.
            1. Gardamir 30 January 2020 12: 38 New
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              Do not blame, but criticize.
              Of course, the president himself cannot be responsible for the actions of the head of any region. But the president has built such a power vertical.
              The president is responsible for everything. Today they are talking about a new agreement between Moscow and Germany on the production of trains. It would seem great, but if sanctions again ...
  22. Gardamir 30 January 2020 10: 04 New
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    Now rewriting the constitution. He can throw out words about a social state and add that each resident is obliged to survive at his own expense.
    1. Mestny 30 January 2020 12: 19 New
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      Make a suggestion.
      You probably do not need a social state on the principle of "the worse - the better."
  23. cloud catcher 30 January 2020 10: 27 New
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    I want to supplement my own comment.
    Now we are waiting for an industrial, technical and economic “breakthrough”, does this mean that we will return to the Soviet system of calculating working time or turn to world examples?
    / The working time per week was 41 hours, but in 1940 it again rose to 48 hours. Five days with two days off at the norm of working hours - 41 per week was enshrined in the 1977 Constitution of the USSR.
    The working week in Thailand is 84 hours; Iran - 64 h / wk; Singapore - 61 h / n; South Korea - 52 hours per week since 2018 /
    But, we are building a socially fair state, taking care of the rights of workers, focusing on Western counterparts (not even talking about salaries and pensions).
    / In the Netherlands, the shortest work week in the world is only 29 hours. Dutch specialists are used to working 4 days a week. Denmark - 33 working hours per week. All Scandinavian countries have adopted flexible working hours and 5 weeks of paid leave per year. Norway - 33 hours / week; Germany, France, Belgium, Ireland - 35 hours / week.
    Therefore, a 38-hour work week in Russia would not be bad !! Dreams Dreams..)
  24. faterdom 30 January 2020 14: 32 New
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    Who suddenly is not aware, in the USSR there were "ceilings" of pensions, although not even pensions, but total income (pension + salary).
    For junior officers, such a ceiling was 200 rubles, for senior officers - 350 rubles. These values ​​in the USSR were not bad in themselves (the average salary was 140 rubles from the same years, the minimum was 70, then 75). But there was no jumping above them. I have a father-in-law, cap-2 retired, a veteran who headed the northern expeditions for a long time, was registered in a secondary position, since he could not be paid as much as this work cost in connection with a large pension. Therefore, other people took shape there - they need it.
    Perhaps this was right, given what we are now trumped with: they say, this is compensation for lost working capacity.
    But only those "ceilings" were very high for ordinary people, but now for "unusual" such ceilings do not exist.
    Why the governor of the Omsk region for "loss of ability to work" should receive much more than 200 tr ??? He was especially "able-bodied" and without sleep and eating increased the welfare of fellow countrymen?
  25. reader65 30 January 2020 15: 54 New
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    Since 2019, citizens can reduce their retirement age by two years, for this you need to gain a certain amount of experience: 42 years must be confirmed for men, 37 years for women. And in this case, special rules for accrual of experience apply, which include only insurance periods, that is, those for which contributions to the FIU were received.

    Accordingly, the periods of study in secondary and higher educational institutions will not be taken into account in this case; child care up to 1,5 years; military service; caring for a disabled person or an elderly person; receiving unemployment benefits and other so-called non-insurance periods.

    In addition, it is noted that in the "rural" seniority (and specialists who worked in the village are entitled to a premium of 25%) will not include military service, as well as other "non-insurance" periods listed above.

    Here are the bastards.
    1. Ua3qhp 31 January 2020 16: 43 New
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      We believe:
      Graduation of school 10 classes -17 years.
      University studies 5 years - 22 years
      Service in the Armed Forces - 24 years.
      Experience - 42 years
      The “early retirement” time is 66 years.
  26. Naum_ Coming 31 January 2020 16: 43 New
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    [quote] [/ quote] One can only dream of a Soviet pension!
    My grandmother received a pension of as many as 20 Soviet rubles and died at work, trying to make ends meet
  27. Andrews Answer 1 February 2020 18: 18 New
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    to the author - thanks and respect. Good journalist you were, stay the same, health.
  28. xomaNN 5 February 2020 12: 12 New
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    From my retirement experience: while I was still working, I had no doubt that the state of U. would not pay me a decent life pension. Therefore, I tried to earn money "in reserve" for retirement years and place them on a depot. This significantly complements the pension. For several years I tried to invest in securities - investment funds. Disastrous business. And - a side job on the Internet. The benefit since the institute (70s smile ) Computer I know a bit. And then in the business the computer was not a stranger wassat