ZRPK "Shell-S" received a new hypersonic missile

The Russian anti-aircraft missile and cannon system (ZRPK) "Shell-S" was equipped with the latest hypersonic missile. About this in an interview with TASS said the chief designer of air defense systems of the Design Bureau of Instrument Engineering named after Shipunova Valery Slugin.

According to the designer, the Pantsir-S air defense missile launcher received a hypersonic missile capable of speeds up to 5 Machs. The missile was developed recently, successfully passed all tests and was introduced into the armament of the complex.

There are two missiles, they are fighting with a whole range of targets. One standard, another developed recently, it is hypersonic - its speed is 5 Machs and more. This missile flies faster to the target, which significantly increases the rate of fire of the complex, as the firing channel is freed faster. In addition, you don’t have to put a lot of explosives in the warhead to disperse the fragments - higher impact speed, higher efficiency of the fragments

- he said.

In his interview, Slugin noted that the Pantsir-S missiles were not equipped with homing heads. According to him, at the ranges at which the complex operates, the tasks of hitting the target are solved by the telecommand system of the missile from the complex.

The Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile and gun complex is designed to cover objects from air attack weapons in the near zone of destruction. The complex is able to hit targets at any time of day in any weather with high efficiency. In addition to the destruction of air attack weapons, it can also hit ground (surface) targets.

Last year, it was reported that the state tests of a new version of the Pantsir-SM air defense missile system, intended for the Russian army, were announced. In contrast to the Pantsir-S1 air defense system already in service, the new complex received a new missile and a new multifunctional aiming station with a phased antenna array that allows you to "see" targets at ranges up to 75 km. Sighting range of the new complex increased to 40 km. The complex is capable of recognizing and hitting all types of unmanned aerial vehicles.

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[Vol4ara]

So the problems in Syria were related to missiles or to vulnerability to the reb?

[Zaurbek]

Likely with the Radar .... on SM already put the PAR.

[spectr]

The headlamp is already on C1. And nobody will tell about the problems, because some decision was made to ban the publicity of such information in order not to discredit the products of the Russian military-industrial complex.
But as far as I have heard, the director (chief) of the Tula design bureau walks "with fingers wide apart" when it comes to the work of the product in Syria.

[Pavel57]

In Syria, the complex showed its best side.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Pavel57

In Syria, the complex showed its best side.

Throw a video for you? Or head to the sand your creed?

[Thrall]

Quote: Vol4ara

Throw a video for you?

This is where an Israeli missile gets into the Syrian Shell without crew and ammunition?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Vol4ara

Throw a video for you?

This is where the Syrian Shell without a crew was shot down?

Firstly, it sounds like a cheap excuse, the problems of the Sheriff Indians do not care. Secondly, in the video is a shell without a crew? For me, there are 2 rockets in milk and a spike in the side, and then the second

[Thrall]

Namely, without a crew. On the video just before getting to the complex, a fighter runs up. According to the Syrians, 1 soldier died.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Thrall

Namely, without a crew. On the video just before getting to the complex, a fighter runs up. According to the Syrians, 1 soldier died.

Tricky Jews watched until the last until the commander, out of need, moved away? And who shot then? The spirit of the car? 2 rockets who fired?

[Thrall]

Quote: Vol4ara

Tricky Jews watched until the last until the commander, out of need, moved away? And who shot then? The spirit of the car? 2 rockets who fired?

Is it difficult to read the comment of the author of the channel that posted your video?

The carapace is in the stowed position. Not a battle!

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Vol4ara

Tricky Jews watched until the last until the commander, out of need, moved away? And who shot then? The spirit of the car? 2 rockets who fired?

Is it difficult to read the comment of the author of the channel that posted your video?

So I am about the same, the phrase "he is trying to repel the attack" says that the shell is without a crew?

[Thrall]

Quote: Vol4ara

So I am about the same, the phrase "he is trying to repel the attack" says that the shell is without a crew?

ADMS Tor !!!

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Vol4ara

So I am about the same, the phrase "he is trying to repel the attack" says that the shell is without a crew?

ADMS Tor !!!

Yes shit came out, I admit my mistake

[Thrall]

The dispute is closed, comrade

[krot]

Throw a video for you? Or head to the sand your creed?

And you do not know how many Israeli targets attacked the Shell? They developed tactics to defeat our complex - just take the number of kamikaze drones! And unfortunately, on the shell, rockets do not breed by budding. The defense must be echeloned and not one warrior in the field ..
Not a single drone, not a single rocket from the city fell on Khmeimim (and more than a hundred have already been fired at the base), and this is the merit of the Shell.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: krot

Not a single drone, not a single rocket from the city fell on Khmeimim (and more than a hundred have already been fired at the base), and this is the merit of the Shell.

And where is it then?

[Magog]

1. The nature of the damage is similar to a defeat in flight, otherwise the whole apparatus would be cut off with fragments. And the car returned to base!
2. The area under the aircraft (Su-24) resembles asphalt. In Syria, it will melt under the hot sun. Most of these shots from this base are concrete.
3. Where is the clear indication of the snapshot from the Khmeimim base? Board number "29" can you somehow trace?

[Magog]

In the selection of pictures from the Khmeimim base, one comes across clearly provocative ones. Look, at the very end with the characteristic inscription "Aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces after the mortar shelling of the Khmeimim airbase in Syria", and in the picture there is an apparatus with the identification "Tridents": their militia famously battered them! For some reason, I can't post a photo, it doesn't work when the "from computer" setting is selected ...

[thanks]

Vol4ara (Alexander), there is fake, moreover, with gluing! Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1", like other air defense systems, cannot have such maneuverability by 180 degrees ...

[Stalllker]

And that just destroyed one car ??? Since the Jews are so lucky, why didn’t they destroy all the other shells ??? The shells have positive and negative results, but what about our partners with these indicators !!! ??? As far as I remember, they managed to the fullest

[Sirocco]

Quote: Vol4ara

First sounds like a cheap excuse

While you look like a cheap framer here.

American experts called the Russian air defense missile system "an ideal weapon" for repelling massive enemy attacks using UAVs. So, on January 20, The National Interest magazine published an article Russia Just Might Have the Perfect Weapon to Crush 'Swarm' Attacks, which argues that such an effective short-range air defense system like Russia does not exist in the United States. At the same time, it was emphasized that the Russian military understood in time that ground-based air defense is more effective and is much cheaper.

[Leon68]

And why shove here the video compiled from different sources and fragments?
Here is an interview with the designer of the Shell on the destruction of the installation:
"According to Slugin (the product designer), the" Pantsir "of the Syrian armed forces managed to hit eight targets, using up all the ammunition. The combat crew left the air defense complex and stood nearby - waiting for the transport-loading vehicle.
"It was impossible to do that - it was necessary to immediately withdraw the combat vehicle from the position after firing off the ammunition, immediately, then everything would be fine," Slugin noted.

[Gogia]

And how many spikes came to him? one on one goal? Strongly doubtful. And this is just one video. By the way, it can be seen that at least three or 4 spikes were going on. and it’s not clear why the gun didn’t work. Just for spikes, she is certain death. At the end of the video, the car stands still with the driver’s door open, the guides do not move - i.e. obviously either on the march or BC ended.

[3danimal]

According to several videos from the exercises (available), it follows that the cannons on the Shell are the least threat to small-sized targets.

[Zaurbek]

This video has nothing to do with it.

[vitinka]

the other day I read about this shell, he shot down 8 out of 10 missiles and more and was left without ammunition, the crew stupidly waited until the lift-up was brought up to places to leave the position. here is the ego and SPYKE covered.

[Nastia makarova]

get 100 minuses

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

get 100 minuses

They say for 100 minuses a cow is selected :)

[Nastia makarova]

here you are left without a cow

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

here you are left without a cow

I didn’t have it :) and this fully reflects the meaning of + and - on this site

[Nastia makarova]

there will be many minuses that will be banned

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

there will be many minuses that will be banned

I'm not so busy as not to find 5 minutes to register. Although here I vryat whether I will register. Perhaps only the "history" section survived

[Nastia makarova]

but I like this site)))

[2 Level Advisor]

and your comments are Anastasia, usually no more than 5 words, rather replicas) however - your right

[Nastia makarova]

brevity is the soul of wit!!!! I don’t like to paint and there’s no time to answer any

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Vol4ara

They say for 100 minuses a cow is selected :)

Well, a cow is not an apartment ... you can survive!

[Alexandre]

You're baldly arrogant! But in fact, what can you say about this? I'm talking about the video. Or rather, what do you know about this?

[sivuch]

And why do you think that only this video got into the pipe?

[loki565]

As for me, it’s necessary to remove the cannon armament from the shell and put a package of 24 rockets, as in this version

[BARKAS]

To make everything clear, the interview at VO must be fully laid out.
https://tass.ru/interviews/7623815?utm_source=warfiles.ru

[loki565]

To make everything clear, the interview at VO must be fully laid out.
https://tass.ru/interviews/7623815?utm_source=warfiles.ru

I did not read this interview, but I saw a similar video on the ARMY. RU

[Magog]

Another variant of the "Pantsir" is purely cannon, only with a larger caliber (57 mm). Projectiles with a remote (programmable) fuse. Although, there is apparently no point in duplicating a similar development ("Derivation").

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Magog

Another variant of the "Pantsir" is purely cannon, only with a larger caliber (57 mm).

Only it will be called differently ... for example, MAD-FIRES!

[Magog]

Interestingly, are there any references to the effectiveness of the combat use of large-caliber artillery (for example, the naval AK-130) against air targets with similar ammunition? Maybe you shouldn't "fence" all these rocket "nails"?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Magog

links to the effectiveness of the combat use of large-caliber artillery (for example, naval AK-130) for air targets

In fact, in the internet, in my opinion, there were articles about the effectiveness of firing at air targets with the use of the caliber 127 mm, 130 mm already from the period of WW2 ... could be used against air targets ... The project that I "touched on" is designed for different calibers; but first of all, it is planned to use a 127-mm caliber with a further "decrease" to 57-20 mm ...

Raytheon has tested the MAD-FIRES (Multi-Azimuth Defense Fast Intercept Round Engagement System, or multi-azimuth rapid interception and all-round defense system) system for the Advanced Defense Research Agency (DARPA), the defenseworld.net reports on May 7.
MAD-FIRES interceptor shells are designed to provide self-defense, the system strikes "multiple waves" of anti-ship missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, and other threats, the company said in a statement on Monday.
If used, this capability will combine the rate of fire of the gun mount with the accuracy of the missile attack, reports Raytheon.

[Magog]

This is just a project. And I heard about such guided missiles for installations like AK-100, AK-130 back in the mid-90s.

[Private-K]

So that such a diesel-punk monster crawls out?
https://topwar.ru/23277-sovetskoe-130-millimetrovoe-zenitnoe-orudie-ks-30-1948-g.html
That is not better than rocket nails.

[Magog]

I didn’t mean "130 mm for Pantsir", but asked how effective the experience of using such artillery against air targets, in particular, in the navy, is. On "Pantsir" it is quite acceptable to consider 57 mm or even 30 - work on equipping the last caliber with a programmable fuse is underway. At this stage, I agree, shooting even with shell bursts at a small-sized air target is not effective.

[3danimal]

I completely agree. Station wagon must always sacrifice something.
The “Shell” guns are 2 meters apart and each has a low rate of fire (for anti-aircraft guns).
IMHO, the best option (at the current technical level) is "brother" on the same platform with AK-306 or an analogue. With its own radar and guidance through the heat / visual channel. With correctly distributed areas of responsibility, everyone will be most effective.

[loki565]

On YouTube there is a video of how FOUR carapace at a firing range try to shoot down a target with guns, and this was not a cruise missile, but just a drone with a propeller. The result is sad, having spent the entire BC the target was not shot down, but was struck from the very first missile.

[3danimal]

I saw a couple of these, I regularly mention. Unfortunately, many simply have an impressive view of a machine bristling with “different weapons”, or refer to the impossibility of a mistake by Gryazev and Shipunov in the layout.

[loki565]

Rather, the matter is different, the shell was copied from the tunguska, and it had to go directly behind the tanks, covering them as air defense and also work on ground targets, for this guns were needed. By the way, guns work well on the ground and on static objects. But the shell mainly stands still and covers a stationary object, he doesn’t need guns for this, but an arsenal of additional missiles will not hurt.

[Magog]

AK-306 is a six-barreled shell eater. Where can I find so much space on the Shell? If you look at the last modification (2 X 2 X 30 mm), then with a rate of fire of 5000 rpm, the entire ammunition load (1400 shells - it won't fit anymore!) Will go away ("into milk") in 15 - 20 seconds. In the fleet, in conditions of rolling, bad weather, floating danger, the use of such (AK-306) machine guns can be understood (and forgiven!), But on solid ground six barrels are too much ...

[3danimal]

Compare with the consumption of shells from Shilka, ZSU "Volcano".
Rate of fire is needed to create a "tight queue" against a fast-flying target.

[Magog]

I am not questioning "queue density" - a matter of efficiency. See comments above. "Shilka" and "Vulkan" - products of their time, and at the moment are used against large low-flying targets (attack aircraft, helicopters) - or simply "on the ground".

[3danimal]

An alternative is shells with programmable detonation, but this is a more complex and expensive system.
AK-306 (adaptable), IMHO, is optimal as a land 30mm "metal cutting".

[Magog]

"Metal cutter", again for large targets. I suppose the rotating barrel of the "six-cutter" does not increase the accuracy of fire. The cut will be uneven! The complexity and high cost of using programmable projectiles is compensated for by a much lower consumption (a burst of not 250 shots, but 5 - 10 shots with scattering of fragments at the lead point), and in comparison with a hyper-super-rocket, a relatively short burst of shells can still be cheaper.

[3danimal]

A rotating barrel (more precisely - 6) is better than 2x spaced 2 meters apart. And gives the necessary performance and rate of fire. Air-cooled optimally - 500-600 rounds per barrel In a long line. As a result, we get 3000-3600 rds / min.

[3danimal]

Systems with programmable shells (Russian), IMHO, are not ready at the serial level. Therefore, he proposed a reliable and proven solution.

[Magog]

The main problem for the "Shell" today is a massive attack of drones, of which only a few are drone, the rest are just cheap boobies. But you have to shoot down everything. It is possible, of course, to try to "put" idiots in by means of electronic warfare, if they have a radio control channel. What if it doesn't work? And the first step of artillery fire with programmable ammunition is 57 mm. "Tunguska", "Shilka" and the land-like AK-306 can only be useful in the combat formations of motorized rifle brigades on the march (for this they were intended).

[3danimal]

Like the AK306 / 630, the Falanks are also used for naval purposes in the navy. Also, the Shell missiles can be used in the form of ATGM with a high-explosive warhead.
It seems that the Arrow + Shilka combination is still relevant and most effective, with network-centricity bonuses. And the main role of the MZA is air defense in the near field.

[Passing]

And where is the missile version of the surveillance radar? What is the meaning of such a stripped-down option?

[3danimal]

Perhaps a concept without a radar

[Magog]

I have not seen such a "cut-down version" (show the picture and the name), but maybe this "Pantsir" works in conjunction with the S-400, S-350, Buk, Tor, which have enough surveillance radars. "Thor", by the way, can also be included in such a bundle without a review radar.

[Passing]

yes a little higher look at the picture in the post loki565

[Magog]

In the picture with the radar of the survey, and in the "movie" - you can see scenes with a couple (one of them without a radar). You have to understand that these are the options for completing the Pantsirey batteries. Reasonable approach. I will look for articles.

[Passing]

I'll clarify for everyone, the radar of the review is the one that "spins", the one that is between the launchers, the one, the tracking and guidance. Neither in the picture nor in the video, in the version without guns, there is no surveillance radar, it is not clear why.

[Magog]

Understood, in the "movie" the second car is nearby - a loading conveyor. The crane arm on the platform is barely visible. It's a pity, but the idea of ​​batteries is good.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Pavel57

In Syria, the complex showed its best side.

I don't know how the complex showed itself there in Syria, the information is contradictory. This is on the one hand, and on the other, no matter how hard the barmaley tried, not a single UAV was allowed to enter the base. But I'm not talking about that. I mean that the Pantsir-S air defense missile system received a new hypersonic missile!
DO NOT GET, but GOT! More often such news. And then everything will be received, developed, built, etc.

[Magog]

Excerpts from the article. "Pantsir-SM" was developed taking into account the experience of the combat use of "Pantsir-C1" in Syria. At the end of 2017, Sergei Shoigu said that in total in Syria, air defense missile systems destroyed 54 MLRS missiles and 16 unmanned aerial vehicles. April 14, 2018: according to official data from the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Americans launched 103 cruise missiles, the Syrian air defense systems intercepted 71 ammunition. "Pantsiri-S1" hit 23 targets out of 25. This year (2019) "Pantsiri" entered the battle on May 6 and together with the "Tor-M1" air defense system shot down 27 missiles launched by militants at Khmeimim. According to the Russian military, not a single munition reached its target. Today, according to the expert, the military argue that the effectiveness of the air defense missile system is close to one hundred percent. Obviously, the new Pantsiri-SM will achieve almost absolute accuracy. ... the minister specified (Shoigu) that "Pantsir-SM" will become an interspecific complex. "Pantsir-SM" will go not only to the air defense forces of the Aerospace Forces, the complex will be installed on the ships of the Navy of some projects. The ground forces are not considering this complex for adoption into their air defense structures.

[3danimal]

That story about 100 downed missiles (yeah, including using the S-200) is more like trying to pretend “it doesn't hurt”, having missed a few hard shots. Areas that were not attacked were named, added (to the list of targets), and it was stated that Assad’s air defense intercepted 100% of them. Inexpensive trick.

[Magog]

Where is 100%? But you are not so frank! The article quite restrainedly reports 70% for Assad and 25% for the Russian Pantsiri. A small part of "Tomahawks" broke through somewhere. There is something to work on after such trials by Syria!

[voyaka uh]

"So the problems in Syria were related to missiles or vulnerability to military personnel?"
------
And with that, and with another.
There is no GOS on the rocket. It is very fast (this is a plus), but not very accurate.
For those purposes for which it was originally developed: low-flying fighter jets and attack aircraft - a TTX was enough. That is, the low-flying F-16 it will bring down.
But the complex is used as a missile defense.
The goals are small.
In addition, a compact jammer began to be installed on the means of attack. It "blurs" the target for ground-based radar, the radar loses target, and the missiles go in widening spirals. What they saw in Syria.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: voyaka uh

"So the problems in Syria were related to missiles or vulnerability to military personnel?"
------
And with that, and with another.
There is no GOS on the rocket. It is very fast (this is a plus), but not very accurate.
For those purposes for which it was originally developed: low-flying fighter jets and attack aircraft - a TTX was enough. That is, the low-flying F-16 it will bring down.
But the complex is used as a missile defense.
The goals are small.
In addition, a compact jammer began to be installed on the means of attack. It "blurs" the target for ground-based radar, the radar loses target, and the rocket goes in expanding spirals. What they saw in Syria.

Thank you, but did not already explain that all the destroyed shells without crews, tanks without shells, and all killed soldiers should be asleep. Promoting Assad's level of chemical attacks with bombs on the bed, only on the other hand

[loki565]

At such distances, the GOS is more likely evil for the complex. if they shoot at a single target, then yes the rocket will capture and hit it. And if the target is a group and flies with a minimum interval, then it is not a fact that each missile will disassemble its target, but they will not go all in one, plus the option of pointing an air defense flying at its own rocket is possible.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: loki565

shoot at a single target, then a rocket will capture and hit it. And if the target is a group one and flies with a minimum interval, then it’s not a fact that each rocket will analyze its target, but they won’t go all in one

Huh ... and sho, do you remember about "network-centric" missiles?

[loki565]

And the enemy EW type will not act on them? their filling will be clearly weaker than that of the ground-based complex. Yes, and they do not need at such a launch distance, it's not C400)))

[Pavel57]

There are no GOS on Torahs either, but they are even more accurate. Compact sources of interference will also create problems for GOS, in which the noise immunity is always lower than that of the radar complex.

[voyaka uh]

"Compact sources of interference will also create problems for the GOS" ////
----
Not. On modern GOS - IR video.
No electronic warfare does not interfere with them.
A business:
1) in price - GOS are expensive. The rocket is at times cheaper.
2) in technology. Electronics should be tiny - very compact.

[Pavel57]

There’s some kind of confusion - there are no infrared video of the GOS in the anti-aircraft theme.
There are anti-aircraft missiles with TGS (thermal) in different countries, but they will not intercept a small drone - a quadrocopter and a Grad-type projectile, just the head will not see them.
EWs do not interfere with them, but thermal traps and various kinds of emitters very much interfere.

[sivuch]

IR (as well as UV and visible range) are not weatherproof + traps and jamming stations exist

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Pavel57

Compact sources of interference will also create problems for GOS, in which the noise immunity is always lower than that of the radar complex.

I am a supporter of the GOS ... Here I read "objections against the GOS" on VO, and I go "upset" and read for prevention "about MNTK" ... and "calm down"!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

"So the problems in Syria were related to missiles or vulnerability to military personnel?"
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And with that, and with another.

Most likely with the complex software and the speed level of the computer.
Judging by the fact that D pg increased to 75 km, and the speed of missiles to 5M or more - our Kulibins did learn lessons and conclusions from work in Syria.
And the fact that there is no GOS on the anti-aircraft missile system, but there is only TU - this is for economic issues: to shoot "millions of rubles", and not thousands - well, very much, "do you think" is expensive!
IMHO.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

"So the problems in Syria were related to missiles or vulnerability to military personnel?"
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And with that, and with another.

Bullshit. You stupidly overloaded with targets the Shell, standing without cover, and burned it. You don’t have to carry crap here, dear.

[voyaka uh]

There were only two goals. Two planning bombs. Both attacked one Shell.
He fired rockets, but did not hit.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

There were only two goals.

No need to lie, dear ...

Quote: voyaka uh

He fired rockets, but did not hit.

About the case when Spike worked on the Shell, ... there even the radar was not turned on at the Shell. And the very first case, so in general calculation, sorry, piss ran back.
And I'm talking about the case when the Shell was fighting off, but it was stupidly overloaded and this can be seen in the video.

[Leon68]

Andrey, the second case is glued from different pieces - first there was the work of Thor, then they showed the shell on the video.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Leon68

Andrey, the second case is glued from different pieces - first there was the work of Thor, then they showed the shell on the video.

As far as sclerosis doesn’t fail me, there were 3 cases. The first, when the video clearly shows that the Shell was with a shot BK and the Syrians were stupidly standing at a tree, they were screaming. The second, when it fought back, but the targets were too dead. And the third, when the Israelis showed how Spike burned the Shell, ... but there even the radar was not turned on on the Shell.

[3danimal]

Again, the goals were simpler than the same HARM. With a speed of 2-3M in flight.

[sivuch]

These are only those that were on the video. What came before this is circumcised. (The picture was transmitted all the way, not the last 20 seconds)

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

There were only two goals.

Oh !? And here is what the creator of the Shell says, which, unlike you, is in the subject:

Question: - The Israeli Defense Ministry published a video of the defeat of the Syrian "Shell". You studied this episode, why did they manage to destroy it?
The answer of the chief designer of the complex Valery Slugin:
- This "Shell" of the Syrian Armed Forces managed to hit eight targets, and he just did not have any rockets left. The combat crew left the car and stood nearby - waiting for a transport-loading car with new ammunition. One man from the combat crew, as seen in the video, ran - he apparently had a phone in the car. It was impossible to do so - it was necessary to immediately withdraw the combat vehicle from the position after the ammunition was shot, immediately, then everything would be fine.

https://tass.ru/interviews/7623815

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Oh !? And here is what the creator of the Shell says, which, unlike you, is in the subject:

Sasha, shh ... let him tell this tale of his ... interesting to listen to these fantasies.

[3danimal]

Of course, it’s impossible to “confuse” our weapons, there may be flaws in the chosen form of guiding missiles - after all, they were made by OUR KB ... The main thing here is not to go from logic to religion)
Review the opponent’s arguments again.

[alexmach]

There is no GOS on the rocket. She is very fast (this is a plus), but not very accurate

And what can you say about the shot down shells from Grad? Clearly, they do not maneuver and do not have interference supporters, but they are small and supersonic, everything is clearly in order with accuracy.

[voyaka uh]

Those targets that fly over it, the Carapace (covering objects) intercepts quite successfully. The problem is that he does not cope with goals when they attack himself (when he turns into a target).

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

The problem is that he does not cope with goals when they attack himself (when he turns into a target).

I assure you that this is not the problem. the problem is with "experts" with a head that does not understand that a massive attack can push through almost any air defense. It is precisely because of the problems with the experts' heads that such difficulties arise in understanding the reasons for the defeat of the Shell during a massive attack and the reasons for the arrival of Palestinian water pipes to Israeli settlements through the "impenetrable" "Iron Dome".

[Pavel57]

The Shell has problems, but not the ones you mentioned.))))

[Victor_B]

Quote: alexmach

And what can you say about the shot down shells from Grad? Clearly, they do not maneuver and do not have interference supporters, but they are small and supersonic, everything is clearly in order with accuracy.

But I will say that having no analogs in the world and the best possible "iron dome" works ONLY for such purposes and is also a RADIO COMMAND, again to reduce the cost.
And the respected voyaka uh (Alexey) praises him and justifies him for failures. The same as that of Pantsyr.
At the same time, if the ISRAELI aviation (well, or the American / Egyptian / Jordanian), and not the slippers, had struck the installations of the iron dome, then there would be nothing to be proud of.
And the carapace is holding a blow all the time!

[Air force]

What problems does Pantsir have in Syria? During this time, he shot down about 100 drones. Problems are more likely with the advertised "Patriots", given the recent missile strikes in Emena and in Saudi Arabia and Iraq. This is, firstly, and secondly, Pantsir is an excellent short-range complex, which, in theory, should stand in echeloned defense in a compartment with other complexes. And the fact that you boast of some kind of video, how a single shell is being destroyed that was not controlled by Russian specialists and it is not known whether it is loaded with ammunition or not, it has nothing to do with the combat capability of the Shell itself. But the shot down 100 drones and repeated unsuccessful attempts to hack the defenses of Russian bases in Syria, just says that the complex is excellent, and plus everything has the potential for improvement. You better send a video of how the Houthis are hitting the Saudis with antediluvian rockets, and in response there is silence.

[bessmertniy]

The main thing "Armor" continues to improve and become even more effective. And this, frankly, pleases.

[Evil Booth]

well, no, there are probably tens of billions of accounts in the world, and all of them are not edward snowden. your banal logic and formal erudition they do not like. one I don’t understand why you are 32 and not 32 as it would be recently. Really and kremleboty exist? although everybody and every user is a patriot, he is a patriot and citizen. Well, ExpertT

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vol4ara

So the problems in Syria were related to missiles or to vulnerability to the reb?

With the fact that the Syrians, by virtue of their handshake, left the Armor without cover. That’s how the Israelites burned the Shell, overloading it with targets, and when it shot its BK, it was destroyed. That is, the problem is not in the complex, but in the fact that such complexes should cover each other, and especially at the time of reloading.
And where are the problems with the radar and missiles? Overload any single complex with targets, and it will be burned.

[voyaka uh]

"In addition, it is not necessary to put a lot of explosives into the warhead of the rocket to scatter the fragments - the higher the impact speed, the higher the efficiency of the fragments" ////
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What collision? Warhead explodes near the target.

[Thrall]

Quote: voyaka uh

What collision? Warhead explodes near the target

It also cut through my ears. Even climbed Google to hit a target ...

[Alexanast]

Perhaps it meant the impact of fragments with a target.

[Thrall]

THX. The answer is Solomon

[Nikolaevich I]

And who "guaranteed" that the warhead is obliged to explode before the target, and not upon "contact with deceleration"?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

And who "guaranteed" that the warhead is obliged to explode before the target, and not upon "contact with deceleration"?

what you are describing is a British concept of air defense. with three submunitions that are false stuck in the engine and then explode. consider very effective ... the British consider ...

[smart ass]

Simple fragments already have a rocket speed and in the explosion before the target they still accelerate

[voyaka uh]

It can be both good and bad.
The interception of missile defense is on a collision course.
If the rocket explodes on the side of the target, then many fragments flying forward and sideways are more likely to miss because of the high speed.
When defeated after a target, the speed of the rocket is definitely an advantage. With the opposite course - it may be a disadvantage.

[Pavel57]

The spatter of fragments is always calculated from the velocity triangle of the target-rocket-fragments.

[cherkas.oe]

This is not about the collision of a missile with a target, but about the speed of the damaging elements after undermining the warhead.

[alexmach]

What collision? Warhead explodes near the target.

Shards and targets.

[neri73-r]

Quote: voyaka uh

What collision? Warhead explodes near the target.

Most likely we are talking about the addition of rocket speed and the speed of fragments after the explosion.

[Passing]

We give the fragments less energy from the explosion, and we get the same total kinetic energy of the fragments, but the fragment expansion vector will change, it will be more extended in the direction of travel.

[cniza]

According to the designer, the Pantsir-S air defense missile launcher received a hypersonic missile capable of speeds up to 5 Machs. The missile was developed recently, successfully passed all tests and was introduced into the armament of the complex.

The West will raise a howl, and we will succeed in further improving our weapons.

[Sergst]

Quote: voyaka uh

"In addition, it is not necessary to put a lot of explosives into the warhead of the rocket to scatter the fragments - the higher the impact speed, the higher the efficiency of the fragments" ////
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What collision? Warhead explodes near the target.

Probably a collision of fragments with a target?

[smaug78]

The news is good, but now the main thing is to buy rockets.

[svp67]

hypersonic rocket

This is a new "feature", just like "nanotechnology" in its time ...

[Sirocco]

Quote: svp67

This is a new "feature"

As it was another chip, called a nail. Four "nails" are installed in one full-time launch container of the "Shell". Who will say something, is there?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sirocco

Four "nails" are installed in one full-time launch container of the "Shell". Who will say something, is there?

Developing ...

[Yaro Polk]

This is a fundamentally different type of weapon, to make hypersound out of such a relatively small missile .... this is not for you ...... the Americans quietly licked with envy ..... I think the demand for this complex from other countries will increase multiply.
Well done developers! Respect!

[alexmach]

This is a fundamentally different type of weapon.

Based on a 30-year-old rocket

make such a relatively small rocket hypersound ....

It is very simple precisely in view of the fact that it is small. Even 15 years ago, Shipunov, during his lifetime, promised to make a hypersonic version, offered the Hermes universal rocket ... He even showed it to Putin somehow.

[svp67]

Quote: Yaro Polk

This is a fundamentally different type of weapon, from such a relatively small rocket to make hypersound .... this is not for you ......

Certainly an achievement, but even the "old" 57E6-E rocket in the "export" version had a maximum speed of 1300m / s, and just a little short of hypersound ...

[Evil Booth]

overall size is not that important. especially since here 40 km is a rocket even smaller and the accelerator is even larger than that of that of 20 km. the export shell of everyone and always generally carries missiles so to speak simply. Wh with adnality in the region of 10 and a ceiling of 10 but not 15. look at the public of the contracts. there M and not E missiles.

[Operator]

Until they introduce a ZR with ARGSN, there is nothing to talk about.

[loki565]

at such distances it is ineffective

[Operator]

I’m sorry - with a semi-active RGSN.

[_Ugene_]

have already implemented the S-350 Vityaz

[alexmach]

And there, by the way, the melee rocket has a thermal seeker

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Operator

Until they introduce a ZR with ARGSN, there is nothing to talk about.

ARGSN for missile defense is not yet rolling. You saw the size of the radar of the same Shell? And it will have to be shoved into a tiny rocket head and powered by a finger-type battery. Do you really think that he will continue to see? The missile will simply lose its target right after launch.

For good, both Shell and TOR-u need to increase the number of guidance channels. So that not 2-4 missiles, but immediately 12 pieces in parallel. The radar then sees them all, the bottleneck is the control channels.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Saxahorse

ARGSN for missile defense is not yet rolling. You saw the size of the radar of the same Shell? And it will have to be shoved into a tiny rocket head and powered by a finger-type battery.

Interceptor missiles MNTK ... "caliber" -40-50 mm ... semi-active "radar" seeker of the millimeter range - there is .... active "radar" GOSN.MM - is being developed (tested ...)

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Interceptor missiles MNTK ... "caliber" -40-50 mm ... semi-active "radar" GOS

Nobody argues, there are such. And against what goals? She will see the airship from afar, of course (or the B-52), but the cruise missile and even the "stealth" will not see until she stumbles across.

[Evil Booth]

Well, well)))))))))))) why? what for?

[Flurry]

The new rocket is good. And where are the promised "nails" of the near radius?

There are no complexes immune to interference. It all depends on the skill of calculation and the algorithms / ranges of anti-missile guidance systems. In the case of jamming of the SSC, optical / infrared sighting is possible.

[nod739]

its speed is 5 Machs and more. This missile flies faster to the target, which significantly increases the rate of fire of the complex, as the firing channel is freed faster

T. Ye. Is she already giving out 5 mach at the table?
He just did what he said?

[alexmach]

He just did what he said?

You obviously did not understand. Where did you read about the "trunk"? What other trunk is that?

[nod739]

made a reservation, not trunk, "channel"

This missile flies faster to the target, which significantly increases the rate of fire of the complex, as the firing channel is freed faster.

explain to me that I did not understand how the speed of 5M in flight increases the rate of fire due to the quick release of the firing channel?

[alexmach]

This will become easy to understand if you figure out what a shooting channel is all about. The shooting channel is not a barrel.
The carapace works with radio command guidance. The radar and the optical guidance system detect the targets, track their movement as well as the movement of the missiles fired at them, and transmit missile correction commands. All this takes certain resources, computing resources on the machine, antennas transmitting commands to missiles and the like. These resources needed to direct the fired missile at the target essentially make up this firing channel. The shell is a multi-channel complex, can fire up to 4 targets at a time, respectively, has 4 channels of fire. The faster the rocket flies, and the faster it hits the target (well, or misses), the faster it frees those resources that were spent on its guidance.
That is, relatively speaking, if earlier a rocket flew to a maximum range of 10 seconds, then when reflecting a mass raid at the rate of 1 missile per target (and in my opinion there may be 2 missiles, but let's now count one at a time) to fire 12 targets 12 missiles spent at least 30 seconds of time. If a faster missile flies to the same range in 5s then it will take at least 12 seconds to fire the same target at 15 targets. That's the increase in fire performance due to an increase in the speed of missiles.

[nod739]

Live and learn! was wrong, now what is it about! thank!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: nod739

how does the speed of 5M in flight increase the rate of fire due to the quick release of the firing channel?

Not only ... "Hypersonic" speed increases the likelihood of hitting the target! "Roughly" speaking, the "target" will barely have time to "think about evasive maneuvering" as a krendet!

[rocket757]

Nobody dares to check our air defense. But when someone wants to live in peace, you need to create, purchase, full-fledged air defense ... you have a shortage, you will also sleep. Yes, it is expensive, but so peace of mind is more expensive!

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Hypersonic speed is considered to be from 6150 km an hour or more. So do not label hypersound with or without. But in any case, an increase in speed even by 200 km an hour from the old one is an indisputable plus. Moreover, now achieving even a small increase is not so simple.

[Genry]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

Hypersonic speed is considered to be from 6150 km per hour or more.

Correct: 5M or more.
Mathematically, it depends on the density of air (pressure, temperature, humidity) and the higher the height - the lower the absolute speed.
Physically attached to the start of the ionization process.

[aloleggry]

Not understood. Somehow the news does not look modern. Where are two years of reasoning that we are developing a super-hypersonic nano-rocket that has no analogues in the world, for which it has great export potential? So, just right in the forehead - put into service. What set, well done, very happy.

[alexmach]

Where are two years of reasoning that we are developing super-hypersonic nano-rocket,

You missed it. The hypersonic rocket was to the shell was announced a long time ago.

[Lontus]

The gun is clearly superfluous in the Shell.
It is better to make a separate cannon system of near air defense with the possibility of external target designation ..

[Ros 56]

Well, yes, yes, how Shipunov, Gryazev and Alexei did not consult, that’s the trouble.

[Evil Booth]

s300v4 yes it has 9,5 max. for 5 years now, as all the milestones officially re-new BK and devices. that and c300 for a long time pm1 / 2 any those that were built under the USSR. By the way, they psiali that they say the FSE had rotted for about 10 years, however, as much as 6 were found in Syria.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lontus

The gun is clearly superfluous in the Shell.
It is better to make a separate cannon system of near air defense with the possibility of external target designation ..

Duc ... project MAD-FIRES to help you!

[Lontus]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: Lontus

The gun is clearly superfluous in the Shell.
It is better to make a separate cannon system of near air defense with the possibility of external target designation ..

Duc ... project MAD-FIRES to help you!

I didn’t understand - how should MAD-FIRES adjustable shells help me?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lontus

I didn’t understand - how should MAD-FIRES adjustable shells help me?

But you "wanted" to make "a separate cannon complex for close air defense with the possibility of external target designation .."

[Pavel57]

The Americans did just that at one time: Separal separately, Volcano separately.

[Lontus]

Quote: Pavel57

The Americans did just that at one time: Separal separately, Volcano separately.

My thought was that someone in the world should do this,
and the fact that it was in the Russian system that the Shell would be better to separate the cannon and rocket weapons into different machines.

[Pavel57]

Shilka and Arrow were also separate.

[Evil Booth]

it’s necessary to smear it in the Jewish dome for 40 cars and to work in the sector only.

[Guards turn]

The Pantsir ZRPK plan to equip a small-sized missile to combat drones. The Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile system can be equipped with a new development capable of increasing the ammunition of one complex when firing at small targets and reducing the cost of their destruction. We are talking about a small-sized missile to combat drones.

According to TASS, the chief designer of air defense systems of the KBP them. Shipunova Valery Slugin, the development, production and testing of new missiles will take about three to four years. At the moment, research is already underway.

Now the ammunition of the Zanzavod missile system "Shell" consists of 12 missiles and 1 shots to the cannon, which can destroy more than 400 targets. Small missiles can be four times larger - they will be the same length as standard ones, but smaller in diameter.

Valery Slugin also noted that the targets of a small-sized low-speed drone are destroyed at distances of about 5-7 km, and using standard missiles to destroy such targets is expensive, so the production of a small-sized missile is economically feasible.

[Pavel57]

The future shell will then carry 2-3 types of missiles.

[Guards turn]

The Pansir-S transport-loading vehicle can become a transport-combat vehicle. The Pantsir-S transport-loading vehicle can be converted into a transport-combat vehicle, which will make it possible to deploy twice as much ammunition on it.

About this publication TASS told the chief designer for air defense systems KBP them. ac. Shipunova Valery Slugin.

According to him, re-equipment is possible due to the installation of a simplified control system. Target designation will be conducted from the main vehicle, but the transport and combat vehicle will be able to fire itself.

Re-equipment will make it possible to install on an improved transport and combat vehicle not 12 missiles, like the standard "Shell", but 24.

[3danimal]

Better and true let these guns be removed, capable of wasting the ammunition for small targets.

[Ros 56]

Here barmalei and NATO will rejoice for us.

[Nikolaevich I]

It turns out that this is a missile with a range of up to 1 km previously "promised" for "Pantsir-S30" ... And the complex receives a "new" name - "Pantsir-S1M" ...

[sivuch]

it is for seed
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3885505.html
Extended meeting of the Board of the Ministry of Defense of Russia
Speech at the College of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergei Shoigu.
. This year, sheltered shelters for operational-tactical aviation were commissioned at the Khmeimim airfield. A modern ship repair complex has been completed in Tartus.
Russian military facilities are reliably covered by air defense systems and electronic warfare systems. This year alone, they shot down 53 unmanned aerial vehicles and 27 shells of MLRS terrorists.
Since 2015, Syrian air defenses have repelled 83 air strikes by coalition forces led by the United States, as well as Israel and terrorist attacks. At the same time, they destroyed 217 cruise missiles, 38 guided aerial bombs and 25 drones.
Unlike the Patriot systems in Saudi Arabia, Russian air defense systems bring down at least 72 percent of precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles in every massive strike. At the same time, along with the modern Russian "Shells" and "Bukami", the obsolete Soviet S-75, S-125 and S-200, which were restored and modernized with the participation of Russian specialists, form the basis of Syria’s air defense
Actually, one figure is important - 72%

[voyaka uh]

"Russian air defenses shoot down at least 72 percent of high-precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles in every massive strike" ///
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Always 72-75 percent shot down, and always all ground targets destroyed by air strikes
Win-win situation.
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"Actually, one figure is important - 72%" ///
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Less than 70% is impossible - there is no bonus. Therefore, the figure 72-75 appears.
100% can’t be written - otherwise they will ask: why do ground targets die out?

[sivuch]

Do you have any other information? For example, how many missiles were used up and how many were hit? And what goals were planned to hit and which are actually destroyed? So far, the logic was only this - that’s what we showed, it was planned. Only once there was some kind of failure - this is when they wrote about 6 destroyed air defense batteries (without saying which ones) and dozens of destroyed targets. I remember that Professor Pan promised to roll up new photographs of the destroyed Shell. But I think this is Bennett’s puncture - they didn’t have time to explain to him that it’s better to be silent than to brag.
For me personally, it is clear that not all missiles are shot down by air defense, and you can only argue about%. It is clear that we have to increase the outfit of forces and weed out unimportant goals.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: sivuch

And what goals were planned to hit and which are actually destroyed?

How much was planned?
This can be reported to YOU ​​at the General Staff of the Defense of Israel.
But what struck it please
Syrian attacks in 2019 by the IDF or attributed to the Israeli army
2019 year
20 November. The IDF has attacked dozens of military installations in Syria belonging to the Iranian Quds Force and the Syrian army. Considerable damage was done. Israel claimed responsibility for the strike, stressing that it was a retaliatory action after rocket attacks on Israeli territory from Syria.
19 November. Explosions in the area of ​​Damascus airport. SOHR states that IDF attacks were in response to rocket attacks on Israeli territory. Israel does not take responsibility.
12 November. In the Al-Mazeh region of Damascus, an airstrike was launched against the home of the commander of the Al-Quds Brigades (Islamic Jihad) Akram al-Ajuri. He was wounded, his son Muaj and Abdullah Yusuf Hasan, both Islamic Jihad activists, were killed, and six others were injured. Israel did not take responsibility for this strike.
28 September. An air strike was inflicted on the positions of the Al-Hashd al-Shaabi grouping in the area of ​​the Al-Bukamal border crossing.
18 September. An air strike was inflicted on the positions of the Al-Hashd al-Shaabi grouping in the area of ​​the Al-Bukamal border crossing. At least 10 people were killed, according to Sky News Arabia.
16 September. An air strike was inflicted on the positions of the Al-Hashd al-Shaabi grouping in the area of ​​the Al-Bukamal border crossing. According to SOHR, at least 10 people were killed.
on September 9. An airstrike was struck against Iranian and pro-Iranian forces in the Al-Bukamal region, in eastern Syria, near the border with Iraq. Israel did not take responsibility.
24 August. The IDF Air Force attacked targets in the village of Aqraba, located southeast of the Syrian capital. The attack was directed against fighters of the Al-Quds Force of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and militants of the Shiite armed groups, supported by Iran, who were preparing a terrorist attack against Israeli targets.
15 August. Syria announced the reflection of a missile strike on a target in the region of Masyaf.
August 1. The SANA agency reported an IDF missile strike on a target west of Kuneitra.
24 of July. The Syrian state agency SANA reported that the IDF hit a target in the province of Daraa in the south of the country.
18July. According to a statement by the Syrian Ministry of Defense, IDF airplanes and Israeli Navy ships launched rocket attacks on targets in the vicinity of Damascus, as well as in Homs. Numerous casualties and dozens of injured are reported. Caused significant damage to military installations. One of the Syrian air defense missiles fell on the territory of Northern Cyprus.
12 June. The Syrian state agency SANA reported that the IDF launched a missile strike on a target in the area of ​​the settlement of Tel al-Hara (Daraa province).
3 June. Damascus claims the IDF attacked targets at the T4 military airfield east of Homs. According to SOHR, the warehouses and military bases of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were attacked, at least five were killed.
2 of June. In response to the shelling of Israeli territory, the IDF struck military targets in Syria. The IDF Air Force attacked several military installations of the Syrian army: two artillery batteries, a number of observation and reconnaissance posts and an air defense battery SA-2. SANA reports three Syrian soldiers killed and seven wounded. SOHR says the IDF also attacked Iranian and Hezbollah targets south of Damascus.
27 May. In response to the shelling of an IDF aircraft located in Israeli airspace, a strike was inflicted on an air defense installation in the Kuneitra region. The Syrian military reported that a soldier died as a result of the attack and two more were injured. SOHR announces two killed Syrian troops.
18 May. Syrian media and SOHR report another IDF strike on targets south of Damascus.
17 May... Syrian state media reported on several rockets fired from Israel by Quneitra. SOHR claims there were at least three explosions southwest of Damascus, where Hezbollah and pro-Iranian militia bases are located.
13 April. Syrian state media reported strikes on a facility in the Masyaf area west of Hama. According to the Syrian opposition, the Hezbollah base was attacked. Buildings destroyed and six injured were reported.
27 March. Syrian state media reported attacks on the military airfield and Sheikh Najar industrial area near Aleppo. The SANA news agency wrote that, presumably, we are talking about an attack carried out by the Israeli Air Force.
11 February. Syrian state media say IDF tanks fired at targets in Quneitra province. Unofficial Syrian sources report that the attacks were carried out on Hezbollah positions both from the ground and from the air. The fact of the strike was confirmed by the Israeli leadership.
21 in January. The IDF inflicted a massive attack on the facilities of the Iranian armed forces in the vicinity of Damascus, in addition, Syrian air defense was attacked, trying to interfere with the actions of the Israeli Air Force. Caused significant damage. SOHR reports dozens of killed Syrian and Iranian military.
20 in January. Damascus and Moscow say the Israeli air force attacked targets near the airport near Damascus, but this attack was repelled by Syrian air defense. Israel does not comment on this information. Soon after reports of the attack, the Israeli missile defense system intercepted a missile launched from Syria.
12 January. Syrian media report an attack on objects in the vicinity of Damascus and in Kisoua. According to SANA, weapons depots were attacked. Opposition sources claim that Iranian cargo aircraft were eliminated at Damascus airport. On January 13, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the attack on Iranian warehouses in Syria.
And since 2015, 354 hits

Quote: sivuch

Actually, one figure is important - 72%

And now YOUR turn is to write the important figure 72% that brought down ץ
And how the taxpayer will apply to organize an exhibition of everything that they shot down (as they did in other countries) and transported around the country, as it was already, but with different equipment

[Evil Booth]

the link to the saved and to the igil is the same thing. By the way, why didn't you google what? maybe even f16 shot down? or not? Why are you given absenteeism in the "Kiev" military enlistment office?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Evil Booth

vbschetto

AT ALL need to write in RUSSIAN LANGUAGEthat would understand you! !

[Pavel57]

When Israel lost 1971% of its planes in 10, pilots refused to fly.

[voyaka uh]

Correctly. First, it is necessary to suppress missile defense, and only then bomb the ground forces. This is what the pilots said.
It was the great losses in aviation from Egypt's anti-aircraft missile systems in 1973 that forced Israel to deal closely with methods of suppressing enemy air defense. What was achieved in 1982.

[Pavel57]

It should also be added that in a normal war you can always get a blow at your airfields.

[voyaka uh]

It is truth too. Aircraft must be kept in concrete silos. And as dispersed as possible. In Israel, the second point is complicated - there is no place.

[3danimal]

But it works both ways, right?

[Evil Booth]

always everything. thank you blasted. especially all this when 56 missiles barely broke up a building of such a size that they stupidly turning them there to turn around tightly ... and so on all the time. there are already 50 US oilmen officially injured today and there are hundreds of blows ... destruction0) empty sheds. EMPTY and that's for sure.

[sivuch]

If the speed is greater, then the dead zone will increase. That is, nails and / or shells with timers are all the more necessary

[Gogia]

Quote: Vol4ara

So I am about the same, the phrase "he is trying to repel the attack" says that the shell is without a crew?

Here. And now see the summary from Libya where the Emirate's Shells have already shot down a couple of very expensive UAVs (these are not Turkish crafts) MQ-9 Reaper Italy and MQ-9 Reaper USA. They plant bayraktars regularly.
In Syria, shells of more than 100 UAVs were controlled - and small and inconspicuous ... Of course, they work in conjunction with the TOP, but also beautifully.

[old friend]

For a long time I want to ask - why ammunition is only 12 missiles? Why not 18 or, in general, 24? This would greatly increase the chance of survival in a massive attack.

[3danimal]

Because a considerable part of the place and weight is occupied by low-effective guns in modern conditions. Well, so as not to overwhelm the complex.

[Pension]

ZRPK "Shell-S" received a new hypersonic missile

Faster would be a series .. In Syria, they are waiting for us very ours, to pay for IL))))

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Pension

In Syria, they are waiting for us very much to pay for IL

So already settled
Only YOU did not understand this!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Vol4ara

They say for 100 minuses a cow is selected :)

Don’t strain yourself like that.
Now they will put MINUS and I will be the record holder of -60000
And the cows are safe and milk flows like a river.

TEL AVIV, May 12. / Corr. TASS Andrey Shirokov /. The Israeli army attacked the Pantsir-C1 Syrian anti-aircraft missile-gun system (ZRPK), as it was used to fire at Israeli fighters.
This was reported on Saturday by a TASS correspondent in the army press service.
"The installation, attacked by the Israeli Air Force, fired rocket fire at the Israeli Air Force planes in order to shoot them down," said the agency's interlocutor. The Israel Defense Forces will continue to act against anyone who tries to harm the State of Israel and its people. "
In the early morning of May 10, Iranian al-Quds forces fired 20 rockets as well as shells at the front line of the Israel Defense Forces in the Golan Heights. Shortly thereafter, the Israeli Air Force bombed several dozen Iranian targets in the Arab Republic and Syrian air defense installations.
"The video captures the moment when the Israel Defense Forces, during an attack directed against Iran's military facilities in Syria, struck the SA-22 complex (as NATO's classification is called Pantsir-C1 - approx. TASS)", - said in the commentary to the video.
Bibi Netanyahu was put on trial for cases MUCH lower than the level of falsification and riveting of personnel.
The media is just waiting for the puncture at the highest level.

[UA3QHP]

For small UAVs, a separate machine suggests itself - an "arsenal" with "nails" and vertical launch. Control from the main machine. Such a tent gazelle, and in it 96 "nails"

[jura-19]

mythical hyper rockets are already sculpting like hot cakes .. in the trend of Putin, an hour is hyper and before it was nano

[agond]

In Europe, when hunting for small birds, special double-barreled guns are often used, one barrel is smooth, the second is rifled, both shoot with small shot, the first shot is made from a rifled barrel in which the container with shot is unwound from the rifling, at the exit the shot diverges in a uniform cone, which greatly facilitates the task hit a flying bird at close range, if not hit, then a second shot from a normal smooth barrel at a greater distance. If we consider that in the Pantsir cannons are needed mainly to protect the Pantsir itself from missiles and UAVs, then it is better to shoot cartridges with "buckshot" at them in the vicinity, and then missiles, then instead of two 2A72 guns. you can post one that at least somehow facilitates the whole complex