Germany marks a sharp rise in Russian agriculture

Over the past few years, Russia's agricultural industry is experiencing an incredible rise. So says expert Linda Getz, who works at the German Leibniz Institute.

Information about this was published by Der Tagesspiegel.

In support of his opinion, the German expert cites specific data. If in 2014 Russia provided itself with pork by 83 percent, now it completely closes its needs and almost abandoned imported products. One hundred percent of the Russian Federation provides itself with poultry meat.

Goetz considers a significant achievement a significant increase in oilseed production, as well as Russia's entry into first place in the world in wheat exports. For the first time in many years, Russia overtook the United States and Canada by this indicator.

She sees the reason for the breakthrough in agriculture in government support for the industry, as well as in the introduction of restrictions on agricultural imports from Europe, the same European sanctions against the Russian Federation, which could give impetus to the development of the agricultural complex of the Russian Federation. The Russian government has decided to extend the restrictions on imports of agricultural products for at least another year, until December 31 of this year.

But the situation in agriculture in Russia cannot be called ideal. There are still many problems that need to be worked on to make the industry competitive. For example, the level of self-sufficiency of beef and dairy products in Russia is still low.

Comments

[Cowbra]

I recommend reading the same news on RIA. And then the comments. Any gum club is resting. It turns out that the merit of palm oil and pensions is in this, and Russia does not raise any wheat - there are simply no cattle in the Russian Federation, therefore there is no grain surplus - there is no one to feed grain ...
Read as a collection of jokes

[Hunter 2]

It’s not worth it, wait a bit and then weepers and weepers will come running!
Which will popularly begin to explain that Everything is not so straightforward, the Daughters of Officers and VO are in excess!

[cniza]

They don’t have enough cheese, so they cry.

[Gardamir]

And what is cheese a banned product in Russia?

[Edik]

Quote: Gardamir

And what is cheese a banned product in Russia?

Have you seen Parmesan, not of the quality that Italian

[Servisinzhener]

I do not like Russian, there are from Argentina or Switzerland.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Hunter 2

wait a bit and then mourners and mourners will come running!

Yes Alexey , I had to wait less than a minute, and shuffling steps were heard from below.

[Hunter 2]

Alexander Really jinxed? Tipun to my tongue
Let them cry - the mourner is the craft!

[Servisinzhener]

They are popular here under a recent article about the village and explained on the shelves that such a terrible state of agriculture has never been. And all the achievements were invented by the Kremlin propaganda. It looks like the "tentacles of the bloody regime" have reached the edition of Der Tagesspiegel.

[Gardamir]

What’s the joke? Really increasing purchases of palm oil. And there is a problem with beef in the country.

[Nastia makarova]

but pork is good

[Andrey VOV]

Do you have specific figures? But nothing. What did they raise the duty on the palm and the VAT on it also became 20%?

[Foul skeptic]

but nothing. what on the palm tree raised the duty and VAT on it also became 20%?

All this will end with - palm oil products will not be less, they will simply become more expensive. Only.

[Andrey VOV]

You confirm your nickname ... everything is bad, we all die from a palm tree

[Foul skeptic]

You very freely interpret my comment - there is nothing of your interpretation in it.
Well, my nickname, in this case, I need to share with the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and the Analytical Center under the Government of the Russian Federation, since they are in solidarity with my assumptions in this matter, well, or I am with them.

[Andrey VOV]

The main loafers, a bunch of people are sitting, with good salaries, but there’s zero benefit from them! I don’t want to be so united

[Edik]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Do you have specific figures? But nothing. What did they raise the duty on the palm and the VAT on it also became 20%?

They have the cherished word "technical palm"! Aren't you a gentleman?

[your1970]

Quote: Edik

Quote: Andrey VOV

Do you have specific figures? But nothing. What did they raise the duty on the palm and the VAT on it also became 20%?

They have the cherished word "technical palm"! Aren't you a gentleman?

-only the Trouble-Customs adjusts the customs value of the "technical" to the level of "food". That is, the payments are the same

[shark]

I don’t observe problems with beef. There are always on the shelves. Like pork, lamb, chicken, idyushatin and even rabbit meat. There are no special complaints about quality either. You just do not have to buy pork in stores where the owners and sellers come from Muslim republics. They don’t know pork, they don’t respect them and they treat them like slops. They can slip it with a shower. And so ... Damn! Well, still there are on the shelves. Why whine?

[Terenin]

Quote: Cowbra

Russia does not grow any wheat

yes, and on the streets we have bears roam ..

Quote: Cowbra

there is simply no livestock in the Russian Federation

Where would he be if ... bears are around ...
Not we, but even a German writes "Russian and white"

If in 2014 Russia provided itself with pork by 83 percent, now it completely closes its needs and almost abandoned imported products. One hundred percent of the Russian Federation provides itself with poultry meat.

Although real

the level of self-sufficiency of beef and dairy products in Russia is still low.

[divanka2021]

it’s funny to you, but as for me it would be better if we raised wheat and piglet and there would be a peasant power than any aircraft carriers, etc. barbarism

[Paranoid50]

Quote: divanka2021

would be a peasant power than all sorts of aircraft carriers, etc. barbarism

Wow, even flower children pulled themselves up ...
People, click through your tickets! An unclotted ticket is dumb, people. This increases your price by three yuks and leads to Vyazalov. A ticked ticket is a cool otmaza from the counter, cops and other lines. (Staro-hippovsk., Outdated.)

[Cowbra]

What you described is called the "banana republic". Why exactly "banana", and not, for example, oil or iron ore? Because agriculture is subsidized everywhere. I grew bananas or wheat, sold - and the profit was minuscule. And the one who sells tractors and fertilizers to this country, buying their bananas and wheat, does not pay for bananas and wheat, the banana republic still owes him.
So, if you're better off, go to the Outskirts. There is now an "agrarian superpower" with no production at all. True, in terms of income per capita - the last place among all the former republics of the USSR. But you will clearly admire your dream. And it is in the banana republics that there is certainly no barbarism! Ukraine and Haiti of the times of Duvalier won't let you lie! Forward!

[shark]

where do you come from? horror how interesting

[Svetlana]

>>> I recommend reading the same news on RIA. And then the comments. <<

Bad recommendation. You need to read the original, the link to which, as usual, was not shared.

[Svetlana]

Gentlemen minus-minders, haven't you been taught this at your universities? Read originals and not secondary sources. And when reviewing, indicate the sources of what you are reviewing.

[Edik]

Quote: Svetlana

Read originals and not secondary sources. And when reviewing, indicate the sources of what you are reviewing.

There are no objections! A lot more people would understand this, you look and there would be less fairy tales And then they come here with such nonsense, and in all seriousness, and they put dozens of pluses

[rotmistr60]

And in the morning they woke up ... It remains only to calculate how much Europe and the Germans in particular lost from the imposition of sanctions against Russia and add up debit and credit. The Americans are ruining you, and you, who have been snuffed up over the past decades, are glad that you are trying to spoil Russia to your own detriment, but in pursuit of imaginary "Euro-solidarity." To exchange relations with Russia for support of the fascist regime in Ukraine - well, not an idiot?

[cniza]

This is behind the looking glass, they are occupied, they have ruined their army, what does the USA want and dictates, and where will it come?

[rocket757]

The main thing is that our people would benefit. To all workers, on earth and in enterprises!

[cniza]

So jobs and fresh air.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

So jobs and fresh air.

Well, yes ... soon, soon they will finally retire! Then wow !!! "Beware" my beds, I'm going to plow you!

[cniza]

Mutually, just scare them.

[Nastia makarova]

there is benefit, for example, they started to live very well in the villages in the Kuban

[cniza]

And they lived not badly, but now even more so.

[Nastia makarova]

lived so-so, there was no work in the middle of 2000, but now that it is heaven and earth

[cniza]

I mean, compared to other regions.

[Nastia makarova]

yes, compared to other villages after 90, we can say that it did not fall apart

[cniza]

And in Russia, many villages and villages are empty, especially in the middle lane, but there is hope for a revival.

[St Petrov]

And in Russia, many villages and villages are empty, especially in the middle lane, but there is hope for a revival.

what for? Everyone from there went to the city. In the villages they left themselves a summer cottage.
So then I have a friend who went to live in Altai in the village. But this is an exception. Illogical move. There is no infrastructure. And to do the infrastructure in the hope that someone will come, xs. There is not much money.

And in the village, appendicitis will be a sentence. Pneumonia. In general, why this struggle for survival from scratch?

To admire the nature - a lot of places. Even in Moscow. I'm not talking about the suburbs in which people live among nature. Hares, moose, chanterelles. Everything is as it should be.

The village is good in summer when tired of people, fuss and work. Or those who live in land and cattle. The bulk of the population will be discomfort and the search for a cellular signal.

[Gardamir]

It's funny What you wrote here, but I completely agree with you

[Nastia makarova]

the problem is that there is very unfavorable agriculture and there is nothing to be done in a market economy ((((

[Sova]

And now there is work with decent pay in the villages, and not 10-15 thousand rubles?

[Nastia makarova]

40-60 in the villages per season per month but with a tractor or combine

[Sova]

A lot of combine operators are involved in agricultural work. And the bulk do not receive a large salary. I judge the workers in the gardens.

[Nastia makarova]

lacking all specialties, of course there are also so-called laborers with a small salary

[Pessimist22]

What kind of workers, capitalist labor? Workers and peasants, this is an oppressed class, they work for a penny and have almost no rights, and the owners are capitalists.

[rocket757]

So that's the point! We are all hard workers, even in the field, even in the factory !!!
About that, and the head hurts at us, and not those who control from above ... "servants of the people" this is different than mockery and no one perceives!

[Svarog]

Not everything is so rosy .. but with pork, everything is really positive. We need to work on quality and completely abandon purchases abroad .. and their share in different sectors is still very high. In agriculture, Russia has enormous prospects. Russia can really feed half the world. But as a goal, in addition to volumes, you need to set quality!

[rocket757]

Quote: Svarog

Not everything is so rosy ..

So there is something else striving for! If only our workers had benefit and prosperity!
And for partners we’ll leave ... grow bananas, pineapples. Here, for some reason, they do not grow with us!

[seti]

We can grow bananas and pineapples, and in large volumes. The main thing is that it be economically advantageous, which unfortunately is not. Therefore, we buy from over the hill. All the same, not the climatic conditions. Better focus on apples, pears, cherries and others. This is closer to us. What we have is not with them and it is time to use it too.

[rocket757]

Quote: seti

We can grow bananas and pineapples, and in large volumes.

I grew up in a land where gardens have been growing since the time of the "king of the peas", MUCH!
I lok was heaps ... even wine was made, fruit and berry.
Gardens have long been bye bye, some holiday villages around and around. This is also a good thing, only when HARVEST, no one knows what to do with it. You walk along the country streets, and there anything is carpeted.
Previously, agricultural cooperation was engaged in harvesting, private owners bought and exported ... and now everything is in the ground, for the small that people themselves consume.
Like this in our region. We can grow, and then where?

[bk316]

We can grow, and then where?

Almost a pensioner, but how small. As if you don’t know where ....
Alcohol

[rocket757]

Quote: bk316

Almost a pensioner, but how small. As if you don’t know where ....
Alcohol

I even have a mulberry chacha! Good such exposure! And also cherry, apricotin, cream ... from strawberries, no raspberries, not a crop, or rather a tick and slug infection !!! Yes, and currants, red and black !!! it’s generally a drink ... for special friends!

[bk316]

I even have a mulberry chacha! Good such exposure! And also cherry, apricotin, cream ... from strawberries, no raspberries, not a crop, or rather a tick and slug infection !!! Yes, and currants, red and black !!! it’s generally a drink ... for special friends!

Well, and ask where. Moonshine is a fruit and berry Quintessence! Any crop is compressed to a deciliter.

[rocket757]

I am a fan of something to stir up, but to consume .... except that fishing out with friends. Under the ear cooked at the stake, it's holy

[bk316]

I am a fan of something to stir up, but to consume .... except that fishing out with friends.

In principle, similar

[Nastia makarova]

but how to get away from purchases? not everything is growing in our country and what will rise is the price 2-3 times more than abroad, for example, tomatoes, it’s profitable to grow in your garden, but if it’s not for sale

[_Sergei_]

My neighbor for sale grows radishes, tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers and flowers. The biggest fat on the flowers.

[Nastia makarova]

it's small))) for the production of the same tomatoes are bought in Turkey or Iran that pasta

[rocket757]

A tomato from a summer house to taste from the store is different as heaven and earth!

[Nastia makarova]

so I wrote that this is for myself and sell a little

[rocket757]

So the city people buy from the "grannies" in the markets / markets ... but again, hardworking guests from the south bring agricultural products in BAGS! And what they have grown and how, not everyone will think .... cheaper!

[Nastia makarova]

only basically there are products from abroad and they produce the same tomatoes as Krasnodar or Azerbaijan

[_Sergei_]

She doesn’t sell a little, makes almost a million in a season

[Nastia makarova]

good increase in retirement)))

[_Sergei_]

Neighbors always engaged in a garden for the market, even when they worked. Slave work. I do not envy them. Every day, watering, weeding, preparing the crop for the market. My wife and I learned from them that it was time to go to the garden. As soon as they hovered over the beds with planting, it means spring has come.

[Nastia makarova]

and who says that it’s easy, it’s not in the office to sit, it would be a desire to make money !!! and you won’t earn a million in the office, but it’s easy

[Nasrat]

Quote: Svarog

Not everything is so rosy .. but with pork, everything is really positive. We need to work on quality and completely abandon purchases abroad .. and their share in different sectors is still very high. In agriculture, Russia has enormous prospects. Russia can really feed half the world. But as a goal, in addition to volumes, you need to set quality!

The news about large cattle-breeding complexes has become more and more popular ... Let's wait another five years - we'll see, maybe self-sufficiency will be established here ...

We started with chicken, then we added pork, now the plus is turkey everywhere ... we are waiting for beef .. you look and lamb for a change then they go ...

[Nastia makarova]

we have a lot of lamb in the Caucasus))))

[Andrey VOV]

Please name critical points on quality - industry, product, etc., thanks

[rocket757]

Quote: Andrey VOV

critical points for quality-industry

maybe it’s not critical, we are not starving, but some products are called qualitative, the language does not turn!

[Andrey VOV]

Well, that's just what I meant, what low-quality products in your opinion that you need to work on

[rocket757]

You are joking? Industrial-grown chicken, eggs CAN'T eat! There is nothing to say about counterfeit products for nature, you need to have eyes there, microscopes, otherwise you can’t read anything on the labels!
In general, if you want to be healthy, have MONEY and choose carefully.
So it is possible, but not for everyone. Just can not afford.

[Andrey VOV]

So alas, it’s everywhere, there is cheap and expensive food

[rocket757]

Quote: Andrey VOV

So alas, it’s everywhere, there is cheap and expensive food

I agree, this is a GLOBAL trend. Rich, more or less "clean" food, the rest, if not a scourge of a set, then not far from that. Industrial, intensive production cannot stand naturalness!
The villagers live somewhat apart, and even then NOT ALL !!! people are lazy, prefers to go to the supermarket than to dung for heifers, goats, clean!

[Andrey VOV]

Well, in small towns, which is easier with farther from the capitals, many have their own farm, their local farmers sell the same bird, egg in the market ... for example, I forgot what store eggs and a bird are, thank God my mother-in-law keeps Well, I supply her with grain))))

[Nasrat]

Quote: rocket757

.... Industrial-grown chicken, eggs CAN'T eat! ....

The fact is that in industrial production antibiotics have always been used - otherwise you can lose the entire livestock of the poultry farm, literally in one night ...

Feed additives are:

Vitamin (vitamin preparations mixed with a filler);
Mineral (a mixture of trace elements with a filler);
Integrated (necessary components, including trace elements mixed with filler);
Therapeutic (containing prophylactic and therapeutic doses of drugs);
Protein (protein concentrate added to carbohydrate feed).

With advances in feeding, increasing the level of productivity of laying hens and broilers, as well as in connection with the emergence of the latest bioactive drugs, the composition of premixes is modified and improved.

With the additional consumption of vitamins and minerals:
the level of egg production increases;
spending on food is reduced;
the nutritional value of eggs improves;
the percentage of hatchability increases;
immunity is strengthened and resistance to infection by various infections is increased;
shell quality problems disappear;
bone diseases, leg weakness, joint deformities disappear;
the loss of feathers, biting is reduced;
support for poultry during molting is provided;
the average daily gain in live weight increases;
the period of fattening is reduced;
difficulties in the formation of the skeleton disappear;
the survival rate of birds increases.
Breeders argue that the use of premixes in feeding young egg-laying breeds protects the bird from obesity, stabilizes puberty, helps to distribute the young and reduces the rejection rate.

[rocket757]

That's right, you can’t eat this. We will eat homemade chicken and egg!

[your1970]

Quote: rocket757

Industrially grown chicken, eat eggs NOT ALLOWED!

-Oh well....
i.e. in Soviet times blue you didn’t eat chickens? which have grown and grown old in poultry farms?
or do you think that in the USSR there were no vitamins, antibiotics and growth stimulants for chickens?
So they were - vitamins and antibiotics of the GDR, Hungarian stimulants.
In our area, purchased chickens from private traders had an average mortality rate of up to half the number of livestock ...
My grandmother had a girlfriend who brought these funds from the poultry farm - the GDR were in aluminum cylinders (like dichlorvos - only more), and the Hungarian in glass.
And the grandmother will sing them with this chemistry and almost all the chickens live ..
you probably think - "blue chickens - no chemistry !!" ..
So no - it's just chickens the old which practically do not rush, it was they who were culled at poultry farms in the USSR for "the chickens were thrown out !!!" ...

[rocket757]

I talked about HOME chicken and .... I live in the village, I grow everything myself!
About feed additives and medicines very much in the know, I work at a chemical prom, where it is done, LAST! By the way, it was necessary at the poultry farm, the heads of energy ... so I know what and how they were fed already then ...
In short, now it is impossible to eat at all ... and much more, if you look at garlic.

[Svarog51]

For the "blue" chickens, the hostesses lined up, from which the chicken noodles were excellent. But there were many ducks, but terribly fat. So they found a way out. The duck was salted, peppered and coated with garlic, then it was "planted" on a beer bottle with water and in the oven. The fat dripped onto a baking sheet, and the water from the bottle did not allow it to dry. I still remember these "little dragons", unfortunately, now they are almost gone. But the chicken is now the size of a turkey.

[rocket757]

hello, Sergey
The cyanotic chickens had a scent / aroma as expected. Modern "piglet-broilers" have no smell at all.
Broilers grown in the village on natural feeds, not so well-fed, but at least they smell like chicken, although the chicken is ordinary, not so well-fed, it tastes better.

[minus]

Chickens and geese are at home, but we have to change to young ones, and besides, it’s winter. And the children wanted fried eggs) I took my wife in the store, fried it .... The children just tried, "we won't eat this stuff!" In general, they gave the dog ... I better keep quiet about beef and pork from agricultural holdings ... For many years I was associated with meat processing enterprises and I know that it is also better not to eat this ... Supplements, vitamins and antibiotics can and should be used of course Unfortunately, the number of livestock in the population is, unfortunately, decreasing, in small and medium-sized agricultural producers too ... the country will be left without meat ...

[rocket757]

Quote: Minus

But it’s already necessary to change to young ones,

After two years, it is desirable to start young fish, a gradual replacement is better, you will never be left without eggs. Yes, and even a rooster in their mouths !!!
At the expense of infection ... it is necessary to protect the house from contact with free animals. The Iranian dove, the turtledove, is the number one enemy, the carrier of infection. I have a sad experience!

[knn54]

Russia provides OWN FOOD security. Hence the rise of the agricultural sector.

[cniza]

And from agricultural exports. products, we already get more than weapons ...

[Hagakure]

Do you know what kind of bread (in terms of quality) we eat and why?

[michael2000]

Here from this place in more detail, what is wrong with the quality of bread?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: michael2000

Here from this place in more detail, what is wrong with the quality of bread?

He is now almost all on improvers.

[minus]

Someone put a minus to you) Recently, my wife took bread in one store ... So on the label honestly indicated more than a dozen different additives. Moreover, the improvers are not only used in bread production, but are added immediately in the production of flour))) They increase the grade they see
Well, in Russian, they make candy from manure ...

[Demon_is_ada]

The quality of bread, at least in Voronezh, is disgusting for the most part. They are made from low-quality grain and technology is broken. The bread is covered with black spots in the package on the third day, this indicates that the grain was infected and this is not food grain, this is already fodder And they feed cattle ... Yeah ... Young people have nothing to compare with, since they never ate normal bread, but it comes across little and rarely.

[michael2000]

In our city of Tomsk, around my house, I can point out 12 bakeries for a discount. Any major chain store bakes its own bread. People just have a huge choice and talking about low quality with such competition is just nonsense. If you do not like the bread of this bakery go to another choice you will always have.
So, a person who doesn’t buy this bread can declare low quality bread.

[Demon_is_ada]

I completely follow your clever advice, I go to another store and so I go blue in the morning, if the damn bread has already been taken apart, there is another option - eat matzo, pizza, flat bread, but what should I do if I want bread, just bread ... or sit down a car and wave 100 kilometers to the Belgorod region and buy there in the first store ... du u anestend mi ??? And we do not have bakeries, but bakeries , and in the bakeries they bake anything but molded bread, but dumb dumb ones compete with the factory ... yeah ... either nostradamus or a person who does not have critical thinking can say so ...
All the best to you

[Hagakure]

Do not argue with them, it is useless. Fooled.

[Nastia makarova]

yes it's some kind of troll, everywhere is full of quality bread

[Nastia makarova]

full of private bakeries with great bread !!!! Yes, and what prevents you from doing it yourself

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

full of private bakeries with great bread !!!! Yes, and what prevents you from doing it yourself

But you just said correctly, about "doing it yourself." If you put the bread on normal yeast, without improvers, let the dough ferment as expected, then you will understand that not all bakeries have high-quality bread. In Togliatti I can name only one moldable bread of decent quality - "Povolzhsky". The local chain "Almond" bakes very good bread, but it is expensive.

[Andrey VOV]

You are talking nonsense now !!! Maybe a small producer makes bread from inferior flour adding a bunch of everything to it. And at a large plant you’ll get horseradish infected, plus they don’t make flour from feed grain, for various reasons, and one of them is its price, and if you swell improvers and so on, it will become more expensive than a normal flour milling three

[Demon_is_ada]

For believers specifically - the price of bread in the Voronezh region is regulated by the local leadership, if the profit seems small to the private owner, then he has the right to do everything not prohibited to increase it, so your statement

Quote: Andrey VOV

and at a large plant you will get horseradish

doubtfully, the question is, will you interfere?
your next statement

Quote: Andrey VOV

and if you swell improvers and stuff, then it will become more expensive than a normal flour milling three

are you familiar with wholesale chemistry prices? Give an example of wholesale prices for chemistry, dosage and prices for fodder and food grains and then we will laugh together ... google to help you ...

[Andrey VOV]

But I don’t need Google, I directly work in an agricultural holding and grow wheat and I know how it is accepted at large combines and how we accept it at an elevator, and it is almost impossible to transport feed wheat even inside one area without branches, and it’s practically impossible to transfer to another , without running into a very decent fine, but what about the price ... for segodnya at the ports of Novorossiysk the price for class 3 is 12600-12800, and for five it is 12000 ... so ... google

[Demon_is_ada]

Why didn’t you indicate first grade? Is there no top secret neck? Well so in Voronezh 14500 for the first class without delivery. Here for you for the general development the article is old, but actual still
https://www.vrn.kp.ru/daily/26597/3613017/
but that’s why you don’t have the first class in stock
https://www.agroinvestor.ru/regions/news/32314-poluchena-pshenitsa-1-go-klassa/
even the USSR was plaguing this problem, and now it doesn’t bother anyone at all from the word at all, you believe the main thing ... everything is fine marquise

[Andrey VOV]

I don’t need to palm off fairy tales and articles, you try to grow up, the year before last in the same Voronezh, Kursk, the species were crazy for grade 3 with glue more than 25 and protein, but the rains started sprouting, that’s all, and the sprout is pure fodder, even though you crack some protein .. so don’t teach a scientist, citizen smoked

[Demon_is_ada]

The question was from which we bake bread and why is it of lousy quality... of course I understand your howls about rain, hail, etc., etc., and it’s clear that they wanted the best and it turned out as always, but the point is that there are almost no grains of grades 1 and 2 in Russia and only from it we get normal, high-quality bread I think further you will not deny this by telling me really all kinds of tales, but admit the lack of grains of grades 1 and 2 in mass quantities? I called a friend of the farmer, there are 25 tons of class 1, says the price of pasta, it’s the price tag of 25000, and neighing for 14 ... here you are

[Andrey VOV]

Your farmer is lying like a gray gelding, hard grains are used for pasta. They are the best made from it, hard grades have never been grown in the European part in life, this is mainly Kazakhstan, Omsk. Altai. The three main indicators for flour to bake bread are gluten, vitreous. Protein is already in third place, so Voronezh is one of the leaders in food grain, and the fact that shit is baked from good flour is a question for the technologist and the management of the bakery, and lie, in Voronezh they bake excellent bread and many small worthy and proven bakeries, so look at the current GOST for grain and flour and you will understand everything and don’t need to breed demagogy here, you live in one of the most agriculturally developed regions and you whine, don’t paint it You as a man

[Demon_is_ada]

I am good enough in agriculture. "Hard" varieties are rich in gluten, so they are hard and not the other way around. And the fact that Voronezh chernozems are generally leaders in the growth of everything that grows, I know the same ... There are 1 and 2 classes, a little, but everything goes for export, sel vie.

Quote: Andrey VOV

you have to lie, in Voronezh they bake excellent bread and many small worthy and proven bakeries

Do you still live in Voronezh? Or somewhere nearby and every day you eat Voronezh bread? But there is still good bread, a bakery in Chertovitsk, a suburb of Voronezh, and in Belgorod all the good. And about GOST, see for yourself and compare with the GOST of the USSR, by the way in the article to which I gave you a link, the changes are described not for the better.
Further, I don’t whine, I outline a real problem and it’s not alone in the most developed agricultural region, and I know the same thing, for example, that all seed potatoes in the region are Dutch and if tomorrow sanctions, then it’s not known what to plant and what my countrymen will eat, how do I it doesn’t care and there is no desire to roll 100 grams and curry up in a frenzy. By your faith you will be rewarded ...

[Andrey VOV]

I visit Voronezh often. Very often and often I buy bread there, and you contradict yourself, in Belgorod and Voronezh the land is almost the same and they are cultivated almost in quality the same, the question is directly to the producers of bread! And wheat of all classes is exported from Voronezh , barley and corn,

[Demon_is_ada]

Alas, Andrei, the land is worse in Belgorod, only there the head is a communist and I do not contradict myself. And not everything is as rosy and pleasant as it seems, problems are higher than the roof and all of them must be solved. And the fact that Gordeev in manual mode tried to revive something and what he did and what didn’t happen very much, I know the same ...

[Andrey VOV]

In Belgorod, the land is different, somewhere like in the Voronezh region, somewhere worse, but it doesn’t compare with other regions and the point is not whether the communist is there Governor or not a communist, by the way he is a member of the Supreme Council edra ... the question is competence and willingness to work and selection of personnel, if a person is in his place. then he gives the result. But I’m not saying that everything is rosy, but it’s not such an ass, we, the residents of the central black earth region, have a sin to complain about, but I’ll say only by our agricultural association, we are growing every year, the quality and profitability of production are growing, we are off the field. to flour and butter

[reader65]

I am joining. In Voronezh, buying good bread is problematic. I live here.

[Demon_is_ada]

Nonresident minusers know better The main thing in a patriotic frenzy is to settle down, and there even though the grass does not grow ...

[Gardamir]

That is, for your mother-in-law, you still steal grain.

[Andrey VOV]

Oh no, I’m in a hurry to disappoint you, I don’t steal, but I write out and buy at my work, and grain waste is given free for workers, so here’s a spoonful of honey in your tar

[sergo1914]

Quote: Hagakure

Do you know what kind of bread (in terms of quality) we eat and why?

Buying a bread machine solves the issue of bread quality. Flour, water, yeast, salt - hot tasty bread on the table in the morning.

[cniza]

Yes, but competition also makes the oven bake normal bread, and a friend, apparently, is forcibly looking for poor quality.

[AU Ivanov.]

Normal bread, at least with us, in St. Petersburg.

[Servisinzhener]

A bread machine to help you.

[rocket757]

The main prosperity in people. ALL PEOPLE!
We can work, if only they would not interfere.

[kjhg]

Quote: rocket757

The main prosperity in people. ALL PEOPLE!
We can work, if only they would not interfere.

Last year, I happened to visit the nursery of the city of Odoyev, near Tula. What surprised me unpleasantly was that the workers were just Uzbeks. Yes, there was one Russian who took back the defective seedlings. I understand that she is there either as a warehouse manager or an agronomist. Another lady who signed us papers was in the office. And where are the Russian men? I do not believe that they are all working on a better job. Most likely they are not satisfied with the level of remuneration in this nursery.

[rocket757]

Quote: kjhg

And where are the Russian men? I do not believe that they are all working on a better job. Most likely they are not satisfied with the level of remuneration in this nursery.

And that could also be. In our village, men DO NOT WORK, in the rural field. Everyone goes to the city, they need QUALIFIED work, specialists.
This is reality!

[Nastia makarova]

they are all in Moscow)))) and Tula is near Moscow))))

[rocket757]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

they are all in Moscow)))) and Tula is near Moscow))))

It's right. Living next to any WORKING industrial center is a great blessing!

[Nastia makarova]

such a reality of the whole world

[Andrey VOV]

Nastya, don’t scare me with your knowledge of geography, what suburbs are you !!! What are you ... and even more so Odoev, one of the most remote areas in the remote corner of the Tula region, like Belev ...

[Nastia makarova]

Isn’t it?))))) 200-300 kilometers is Moscow Region)))) from Tula a lot of people go to work in Moscow, so the city of Tula itself also became the Moscow Region

[Andrey VOV]

From Tula to Moscow, the route is 2 km m156, a little longer on the train, a high-speed express train runs, but this is by no means the Moscow region, Podmoskovbe ends with the borders of the Moscow region, the southern border is Kashirsky and Serebyano-Prudsky districts, Serpukhov district

[Nastia makarova]

yes I know))) this is along the official borders and along the working borders of Tula near Moscow))))

[Andrey VOV]

Then Ryazan near Moscow))))

[Nastia makarova]

you can think so, but it’s far away))) Tver exactly

[Andrey VOV]

Well, you probably in the Krasnodar Territory are taught geography at school .. I won’t try to convince you

[Nastia makarova]

geography does not belong to the borders of the real Moscow region, it’s not interesting for you if you don’t understand ordinary things

[Andrey VOV]

The real Moscow region ends with the borders of the Moscow region! There is a near Moscow region, which is limited to the first concrete, it is about 52 km from Moscow, everything else is distant, and this unofficial separation also affects the cost of housing and land. Everything that is outside the borders of the Moscow region , this is the Tula region, Ryazan, Tver and others bordering it, all. What can be the questions? And all this is united by one concept adopted in the country, this is the Administrative Division. Sochi is not called the sub-gift of Krasnodar or vice versa?

[Nastia makarova]

we are talking about unofficial borders !!!!

[Andrey VOV]

Never in my life! Never, the Tula region informally or officially, or the Tver region was not considered to be the Moscow region .. and it came from a joke where two friends met and one asks the other they say where and how are you, and in return, yes, I’m fine, I live in Moscow , and where in Moscow then? well ... well, not in the city itself, but in the Moscow region .. well, where in the Moscow region is that? yes in Tula!
And I do not need a former resident of the Moscow region to talk about it)))

[Military Builder]

only in sausage, something is not visible this meat

[carstorm 11]

buy sausage and not a meat product and you will be happy))) reading the label is very useful)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

buy sausage and not a meat product and you will be happy

Did you see the price tag for a doctoral standard? That's it. And in expensive sausages, with a careful study of the composition, you see chicken meat instead of beef. I recommend reading labels on smoked cheese.

[carstorm 11]

saw) but then everyone decides for himself. it’s just stupid to be surprised that cheap sausage has little meat) as for chicken meat, it all depends on the recipe. I don’t eat sausage. I’m just meat-less. but it’s better than in childhood to drag her a full bag from Gomel to Khabarovsk))) in my childhood I only saw my father’s uncooked smoked meat from special sets and in Belarus I brought any cheese curds from there) )) we didn’t have such ones, just never for some reason)))

[AU Ivanov.]

A quality sausage cannot cost less than 600 rubles per kilo. Like cheese.

[Gardamir]

Shh, don't reveal the secret. Let the Alemans continue to think about sharp growth.

[rocket757]

Quote: Military Builder

only in sausage, something is not visible this meat

Is kovbasa a meat product?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Military Builder

only in sausage, something is not visible this meat

Those barbarian times have passed, during which the meat of slaughtered animals was used in sausage
In fact - depending on which one. There are a bunch of pretty decent varieties.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Krasnodar

times during which the meat of slaughtered animals was used in sausage

Like in the old Soviet joke:
- Excuse me, why do you have sawdust in your sausage?
- Comrades, how long can I repeat: a dog is chopped into a sausage of the second grade along with a booth.

[Nastia makarova]

buy meat and make sausage yourself

[AU Ivanov.]

And what, we have only one sort of sausage? There is a choice: from cheap soy to an expensive natural product. Tea does not live in the USSR.

[rocket757]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

And what, we have only one sort of sausage? There is a choice: from cheap soy to an expensive natural product. Tea does not live in the USSR.

Well, in the USSR, for many, there were not so many varieties of cowboys !!! But the meat was ALL!
YOUR CHOICE ... a bunch of labels, under which you don't understand what, or a couple of other nondescript "loaves" in which the meat is certainly according to GOST ???

[AU Ivanov.]

If in those days there were technologies for the surrogation of meat based on vegetable protein, then rest assured that there would be no meat in all sausages, except for those that went to the table to the management from special shops. From the beginning of the 80s, edible cellulose was already being added to sausages (people used to say that toilet paper, but it wasn’t - they added cellulose) And it would have come to vegetable protein, the Union simply did not live to see it.

[rocket757]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

If in those days there were technologies for surrogating meat,

Come on. And in those days there were "craftsmen", believe me! There is still a legend in our city that the CITY "gobbled up" several tons of wrapping paper mixed with sausage! By the way, this is true, I heard it firsthand.

[Nastia makarova]

you have already been told what prevents to make the sausage itself

[KCA]

And you do not buy sausage at a price half the price of raw meat

[Nastia makarova]

what prevents buy meat with homemade sausage ????

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

what prevents buy meat with homemade sausage ????

Laziness)).

[Nastia makarova]

then what to complain, eat from the store

[Servisinzhener]

It depends on how much a kilogram of this sausage costs. Sausage from meat starts from 900 rubles and above.

[Vasyan1971]

Goetz considers a significant achievement a significant increase in oilseed production.

Yeah. Palm trees. Everywhere you spit - everywhere a solid palm tree.

[Nastia makarova]

oilseeds are sunflower and corn

[Andrey VOV]

Oil crops are not only corn, by the way, corn oil is not made from corn itself, but from their germ, it is not only a sunflower, it is flax, it is rape, it is soy, it is safflower, etc.

[Nastia makarova]

this is me as an example to someone who has not yet climbed off a palm tree

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

this is me as an example to someone who has not yet climbed off a palm tree

It is strange to hear this from someone who does not distinguish "victory" from "almost victory"!

[Vasyan1971]

Does palm oil mean "oilseed"? Panyatna.
But palm oil is still "oil". And a palm tree, it's all the same - "culture". Hence - "oil palm" = "oilseed crop".

[Nastia makarova]

do not write nonsense

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

do not write nonsense

Write without errors. Do not worry!
And what, in fact, is nonsense? Explain how a nerd is an idiot.

[Nastia makarova]

But palm oil is still "oil". And a palm tree, it's all the same - "culture". Hence - "oil palm" = "oilseed crop".
this trolling for what ????

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

this trolling for what ????

This is not trolling. This is the truth of life.

Goetz considers a significant achievement a significant increase in oilseed production,

If this is so, then why exactly the imported "palm" is put everywhere, where possible and not? Is your product lacking, or is it too expensive? Why do some export goods change to "palm"?

[Nastia makarova]

apparently because oil comes from different cultures, vegetable differs from corn !!!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

vegetable is different from corn !!!

Is "corn" not "vegetable"?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

this trolling for what ????

And what is this for?

Quote: Nastia Makarova

this is me as an example to someone who has not yet climbed off a palm tree

[Vasyan1971]

The most common types of oilseeds in the world:

Sunflower, corn, soybeans, flax, cotton, rapeseed, olive tree, avocado, coconut, castor oil plant, oil palm , saffron, mustard, almonds, sesame seeds, cedar, saffron mushroom, cocoa tree, oil poppy, hazelnut, pumpkin (seeds)

https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.agroxxi.ru%2Fmaslichnye%2Fmaslichnye-tehnologija-vozdelyvanija%2Fmaslichnye-kultury.html

[Nastia makarova]

Where does a palm tree grow in Russia ????

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Where does a palm tree grow in Russia ????

In fact of the matter! The palm tree does not grow, the agricultural complex works for the bourgeoisie to envy, and there is nowhere to go from the "palm tree"! Strange somehow ...

[Andrey VOV]

Forgive yourself from a palm tree or something, except for it unknown to you oilseeds ????

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Forgive yourself from a palm tree or something, except for it unknown to you oilseeds ????

Just oil palm (or rather its product) is the queen of all our oilseeds. And it so happened that it was she who was most heard.

[Andrey VOV]

Well, yes, especially for those who want her to hear palm tree ..

[Vasyan1971]

Well, if you want, you don’t want, but it constantly climbs into your eyes, omnipresent! In the composition of chocolates, the New Year's set recently came across, for example ....
Although, of course, it is possible that I am thickening the colors ...

[Andrey VOV]

Again, the price of sweets, a cheap confectionery, yes, there are palm and coconut oil and soya and even rapeseed, dear there is minimal ... exactly the same situation in Belgium, which is famous for its chokodlad, there are sweet tiles from a minimum quantity cocoa butter, as well as palm, soy, other vegetable fats

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Again the price of sweets

So I say: do not develop your agricultural industry, and cheap imports will win anyway.
And even expensive products will be shoved cheaply, to the detriment of a high-quality domestic producer, at least with the goal of generating super-profit.

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

Critics of this. Come to us in the Stavropol region with Krasnodar, agricultural holdings in full. The article corresponds to the writing, as I myself am engaged in construction for agricultural holdings.

[Nastia makarova]

Right !!! I myself am from the Krasnodar Territory, who is busy today with a / x that has a very decent income, even people from Krasnodar reached the villages

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

There is such a thing, Anastasia.

[Ingvar 72]

In the photo are my favorite mute mutes (indo-birds). Hassle-free bird who decides to wind ducks, start musky. Thanks to them, we hardly buy meat.
According to the article - not everything is so rosy with us, awesome problems in the industry with milk. With pork blockage, but it is ALL steroid. Chicken order, but broiler broiler egg more than 70% import. Chopped off supplies - kirdyk chicken abundance. In addition, I do not understand how they are fed there at poultry farms, that they grow by the day and by the clock. I do not even have such results on feed. And the meat tastes different.
Yes, all our own wheat, but the majority of corn seeds are purchased from the infamous Monsanto and its daughters.
So do not revel in the flattery of the German media.

[rocket757]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In the photo are my favorite mute mutes (indo-birds). Trouble free bird

Yeah, especially in the fall !!! When in heaven different gurgling is heard ???
If you didn't bother to block the "sky" in time and fly ... look for them later, fistulas!
And at the expense of taste ... addictions, that's right, the product is top grade
By the way, all my neighbors are Germans, Musky duck is very respected !!! In the culinary sense, of course.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: rocket757

Yeah, especially in the fall !!!

Wow, you won’t put air defense in time, they will fly away. Overlapping old fishing nets. And in the spring from the ravens protection, and in the autumn saves. The year before last, five pieces flew away, a week later they returned.

[Incvizitor]

So they also like to prune their wings, my acquaintance just keeps mallards and they don’t especially run away, though they walk around the whole area, we still use them as decoys for hunting and he sometimes rents them out.
As if he had a mallard under the fence into the slot decided to leave, so his hunting dog caught it and brought it in his teeth, although it didn’t hurt him, they didn’t run away anyway.

[rocket757]

Quote: Incvizitor

So it’s like they cut wings,

Any interference, all the more rude, affects the state of the bird! It’s better to cover the nets, everyone has enough of this good, usually.

[AU Ivanov.]

Poultry and pork are quick money. Investments momentarily repulsed. With cattle this is not so - investments are long-term here, not every investor will be invested.
With pedigree materials, the issue can also be resolved. Enter the embargo, not immediately, in order to prevent a jump in prices, you look and stir.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

With pedigree materials, the issue can also be resolved.

I agree, but something is not moving quickly.

[AU Ivanov.]

But there is no incentive. They don’t move. With us, until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself. Although a cousin, he is a farmer and vegetable grower, he tried domestic seed material, he is quite satisfied with himself.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

But there is no incentive. They don’t move

Tribal work is the task of the state.

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Indo-wolves and mullards in the Northwest don’t roll,

Indoor women tolerate winter normally, they winter in my greenhouse, the main thing is only the dry litter. Otherwise, the paws are frozen.

[AU Ivanov.]

In our country, they somehow did not take root. A damp climate may be to blame. Beijing, those are fine.
Breeding and breeding work is definitely not the task of the state. The same Monsanto Bayer is quite a private company. The task of the state is tax incentives, investment climate and other economic benefits.

[AU Ivanov.]

Do not wheel Indoor women and mullards in the North-West, not according to their climate.
A broiler in general is a frostbitten beast, the usual pestruch is clogged by this steroid pitching.

[Andrey VOV]

We don’t buy from Monsanta, mainly Pioneer, plus our own varieties

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Andrey VOV

We do not buy from Monsanta

You may be, but many are buying, without even knowing it. In Russia, Monsanto is represented by the Dekalb brand for corn and rapeseed, and for vegetables under the Seminis and DeRuiter brands. In addition, there is a lot of corn from Maisadour Semences, and Pioneer from Corteva Inc. Its seeds are crumbs, and there is not even a tendency to improve. This is for corn.

[Fishery]

on the bird the slaughter of broilers seems to be 2 months old)))) factory workers strongly do not recommend eating offal, liver and hearts) are afraid)

[don-1500]

agricultural is a very profitable business for the owners of agricultural holdings, but at the same time they do not bear any social burden. Blasted-earth tactics in action. They are like temporary workers who did not come for a long time, cleanly remove the "foam".

[Andrey VOV]

If you adhere to the scorched earth tactics, then in a few years your land will die, not all agricultural holdings relate to the land and workers, you don’t need one size fits all, and the Chinese remove foams one hundred percent, take the land for rent, they pour it with such chemicals, that then everything .. even the weed does not grow

[don-1500]

By scorched earth, I meant farm infrastructure

[AU Ivanov.]

What else should be the social burden on agricultural holdings? The task of agricultural holdings is to give products and pay taxes. The social sphere is the direct task of the state, everyone should do his own thing.

[don-1500]

The social sphere of the state is free lunch at schools and maternity capital, something the president spoke about recently. And let the agricultural holding at least redraw the roof at the workshops, which has been flowing for the third year already. And I don’t even stutter about housing for my employees, although in rural areas this is not so good. Profit, only profit. Cut out all the metal where else you can, sometimes you look around, the feeling that German aviation worked

[AU Ivanov.]

So this is not a social sphere. This is the organization of production.

[don-1500]

Well, you are probably true. But to build a house for your employee and give keys is an organization or social work?

[AU Ivanov.]

And why should an agricultural holding company build and give a house to you? The cost of your home will be included in the price of the goods and transferred to the shoulders of the consumer, and we need it - pay for your home.

[don-1500]

The cost of the house should be included in the cost of my work and the owner's excess profits. Chubais to you as president

[AU Ivanov.]

The cost of your work is in wages and only in it. And that one does not believe in superprofits from agribusiness - this is not an oil industry, farmers are already half-taxed by taxes. In general, the profit of your enterprise has nothing to do with you. Organize the production, then you will talk about profit and loss.

[Andrey VOV]

And this is such a master, forgive me, if he doesn’t save equipment, neither warehouses, nor buildings or premises, he will fly into the pipe, then he’ll snatch to himself, but people who need to drive such negligent people with a filthy broom !

[Irokez]

But it seems to me that here the cunning plan of GDP worked.
Well, let's speculate:
- we put the president of Trump in the United States.
- set so that he would create sanctions for us and cut off Europe from our market.
Next question? Why is this our GDP?
Answer:
- so that we move ourselves and create our own production.
- And also in order to sell our own products abroad, otherwise oil and gas will have many competitors.
- And also further GMOs are not allowed to go on and become leaders in the production of non-GMO products.
- Well, to keep the population of the white race and the language of civilization speaking the Slavic language.
What are the benefits:
- Tramnu next star.
- Europe the opportunity to eat their own, and not feed the chemistry of others.
- for us it’s easy to live and develop further with our way of life and mentality.
Conclusions:
- show everyone that all kinds of sanctions are not an obstacle for us, but rather an incentive in development.
- show that the laws of the economic war of Europe on other countries in our country do not work, but only stimulate production.
Well, well, GDP is cunning. ))) One feels who will build the new world order. )))

[Old26]

Quote: Military Builder

only in sausage, something is not visible this meat

So this is your manufacturer. For example, living in Stavropol, I buy sausage products from a regional producer. If I have cats burst it (for testing) - it means something. You can’t prove to Kotu that sausage is good, he just doesn’t understand her taste. Those who began to drive rubbish in general have already closed.
Or make a sausage yourself. Then you will certainly know what you put there ...

[Demon_is_ada]

Vladimir, not everything is so simple, although I'm not a daughter ...

Quote: Old26

Or make a sausage yourself. Then you will certainly know what you put there ...

Is it the same to grow meat? So you can even get to the point that we will manage the state ourselves, without defective managers ... Who will give you a guarantee that there are no hormones, antibiotics in meat if there are already hormones and preservatives with nitrates in artesian water? Do you have a spare planet and delivery vehicles in mind?

[Livonetc]

Below is the dynamics of meat production in Russia.

[Million]

So after all, a record amount of palm oil was purchased! Of course, agriculture has now risen sharply)

[Gardamir]

Oh! Excuse me, tse Ukrainian resource. They pleased the pigs. And that’s right, since the Germans said that in Russia, it means so.

[Alexey RA]

Several years ago I listened to a speech by a representative of farmers (in the "waiting room" of the insurance company, only a news channel was broadcast).
So he said bluntly that he would ask the president not to lift the sanctions on agricultural products, because thanks to them they got out of the pit and invested in long-term projects (laid new gardens).

[cosmonaut]

the main breakthrough is that pigs and broilers are fed overseas chemistry. The broiler after 2 months becomes like a Schwarzenegger tall, slender and inflated. The piglet after 6 months. Then we wonder why we get sick

[AU Ivanov.]

If they had not fed chyme, the price of meat would be at least double.
We have a chicken with poultry farms - 100 rubles, maybe a little more. Farm - 350.

[Nastia makarova]

so all over the world

[axiles100682]

Everything is logical. To increase the number of pork, and even more so poultry, is much faster than cattle. Dairy cattle breeding requires large initial investments. Therefore, I think that in a few years both the beef and the milling of the Russian Federation will reach the proper level

[iouris]

Ja, ja ... Rus - Karasho! Eggs, milk, schnapps, gas ...

[cosmospetrovich]

Well yes. Chicken on steroids, even on the packaging in the store write, grew 21 days or so. Pork, too, 60 days and under the knife. Costs are minimal. For grain, I recently read somewhere that we produced and now produce only a few percent of normal grain, the highest grade that we used to buy in Canada and America, the rest is grade 2 and 3, which in the union went to feed livestock. On sausage, natural meat (the same steroid chicken and pork), dear, and the people for the most part buy not her, but soy. But by and large it’s good that this is there, and its manufacturer, and not the American legs of the bush.

[nod739]

... but I noticed that you make a chicken in the oven - and a layer of "jellied meat" in the pan after cooking ... and 20 years ago this was not.
but somehow they took an expensive yellow "farm" on the market)), but did not eat it right away ... and on the third day the yellow paint began to slide off it)))

[nod739]

and in the original article there is not much other meaning)) without a pair of weighty spoons of tar

[Old26]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Is it the same to grow meat? So you can even get to the point that we will manage the state ourselves, without defective managers ... Who will give you a guarantee that there are no hormones, antibiotics in meat if there are already hormones and preservatives with nitrates in artesian water? Do you have a spare planet and delivery vehicles in mind?

Dmitry! Well, why grow it yourself. Kamrad said that he does not like sausages due to the lack of meat in them. If you live in a certain region for a long time, especially if it is the south, you are already buying from your own, domestic producer (if the finished product).
Choosing meat is not a problem right now. I have three stores selling meat in a radius of 100 to 500 meters. I’ve been buying them for about 15 years. After all, the owners also do not need to buy all sorts of rubbish, so that later they lose customers. In all three I know both sellers and owners. And they also have their own suppliers, already proven over the years.
Nitrates in artesian water? Quite possible. Well then, the only way not to "grab" these hormones and nitrates is to eat nothing at all Go on a hunger strike 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. It's just that in the south it's easier and quieter. And, of course, I will not take the birds at the poultry plant, where it has a "readiness" period of 1 month. But from a private owner - please.
As for doing it myself, no problem. I bought meat or several varieties (depending on what you want to get), bought lard, bought guts (in butcher shops they are sold by weight or by length), cut all the ingredients, pushed into the guts, boiled and frozen. When you need to cut a piece, preheat it in a frying pan or in the oven (microwave) - this is a natural product in which you are 100% sure ...

[Demon_is_ada]

Vladimir So we are doing it, exactly as you described, strictly or in your own market where I know everyone and they know me or strictly from my hands, that is, from a half-house household and into the freezer. But we are talking like a developed society, and not a feudal-natural way of conducting the economy In a developed society, the division of labor and, most importantly, the guarantees of the quality and safety of life are implicitly implied, for which purpose a state with its attributes That is, all the achievement of democracy in Russia upon the rollback to the feudal system? Most of all, the obstinacy of some individuals is striking, even some kind of fanatical with malice ... after all, in order to fix the problem, you first need to understand it, understand the causes and effects and fix it ... but alas ... most are really believers and unfortunately not in God, but in "success", "democracy" and "competition" completely without understanding the meaning ... and they do not try to understand When the Lord wants to punish, he deprives the mind ... And then everything is fine-tuned - oh, and we have painful children, oh and we have raised the retirement age, oh and our population is declining despite the fact that half of Central Asia has moved to us and also a quarter of Ukraine, oh and everyone died ...

[Sapsan136]

It is necessary to reduce fuel prices for consumers within the Russian Federation, then agricultural growth will increase, and prices for agricultural products will decrease ... More farm goods began to appear in stores, instead of dead American chicken, which is certainly pleasing, but prices could be lower ...

[Alexander X]

Quote: Hagakure

Do you know what kind of bread (in terms of quality) we eat and why?

Bad bread is sold where it is bought. They make it from cheap flour and bad yeast. Where there is competition, the bread is wonderful. I observe this personally, for when I retired I moved to the village. Local selpo sells bread from the city bakery and from the village bakery. Everyone buys a township. Village bread is much tastier and 2 rubles cheaper. The answer is simple: in the village take the highest grade flour and yeast, which is necessary (not French). The profit per unit of output, I think, is even higher than that of urban bread, because there is no rent in the village bakery, electricity is cheaper ... and so on.

[Old26]

Quote: Sapsan136

It is necessary to reduce fuel prices for consumers within the Russian Federation, then agricultural growth will increase, and prices for agricultural products will decrease ... More farm goods began to appear in stores, instead of dead American chicken, which is certainly pleasing, but prices could be lower ...

Alas, fuel prices are not yet noticeable to decline.
And in the stores of farm goods became more. In our city, there are generally two options for using a local resource.
The first - in the capital of the region, specialized stores of the region’s regions were opened, where they mainly sell meat and sausage products of the region’s regions, semi-finished products.
The second option is the so-called weekend fairs under the slogan "Buy Stavropol". I have such a trading floor almost next to my house (100-130 meters). once a month such a fair is held approximately. Food (potatoes, vegetables are slightly more expensive than in the city markets, but about a third or a quarter cheaper than in a store. And why go to the market where the same potatoes can be 3-4 rubles cheaper, spending money on transport, when you can walk a hundred meters, buy it all

[Demon_is_ada]

The private trader really became more active, but still does not solve the global problem. Here above, look at the joyful cries about the Krasnodar Territory, where agricultural holdings, etc., etc. are being built ... yeah ... the question is, why not in the Krasnoyarsk Territory? And Krasnodar is less than 10% of Russia, well, climate ... The same in terms of bread quality I gave an example - Belgorod region is nearby, there is the cheapest bread and NORMAL !!!! In any zadripany store, take the first one you got ... Then I got the idea, but should not the whole of Russia move to Krasnodar? I think a brilliant thought, why bother ...

[Nastia makarova]

everything is simple, nothing will grow in the Krasnoyarsk Territory to recapture costs and earn !!! in Russia there is a lot of land but for agricultural there is almost no, mainly only south to Volgograd and Voronezh

[Andrey VOV]

Nastya, again scare ... the Volga region, Central Black Soil region (Kursk, Tula south, Lipetsk, Voronezh, Kursk, part of the Tambov and Ryazan region), and Rostov, and Stavropol ... well, I wrote about Siberia

[bk316]

mostly just south to Volgograd

On the contrary, there is almost no land south of Volgograd - there is only one sand - Kalmykia
They grow in the sand, but there is no water.
It’s hard for you with geography ....

[Andrey VOV]

In the Krasnoyarsk Territory, excellent wheat, soybeans are grown, and there are agricultural holdings there, as in Altai and Omsk, so from August to December 19, only domestic grain deliveries from the Krasnoyarsk Territory to consumers in the Russian Federation amounted to 232478 tons, this excluding deliveries by truck to nearby regions and it is only 4 months

[Demon_is_ada]

Yeah, everything is exactly as you described, but the Devil is in the details. Out of 232478 tons, how many are classes 1 and 2? Come on, even if not a single kilogram, even so, but another question arises - where to put this wealth? For livestock feed ... but the number of livestock and poultry does not allow it to eat all, alas ... For export, definitely! Lurking !!! But when in the USSR animals ate everything, and then cocoa and these things returned to the fields as organic fertilizer, and what should be returned during export? Substitute than takeaway? Chemistry ???

[Andrey VOV]

The lion's share was sent to the Bakeries. Such as the LKHP in St. Petersburg and others, as well as for export, by the way in that region the problem with feed grain is just .... we mainly export grain of 4 classes, with a protein of at least 12.5 and state of emergency at least 250, then there is forage,

[Demon_is_ada]

I am wildly outraged by the joy of our exports, and the fact that the best is going there, and not to its citizens in the first place. And you need to export what you yourself didn’t eat or attach, which, in my opinion, simply decays; this is patriotism ...

[Demon_is_ada]

Wow judging by the minuses to the top post, we have people ready to eat anything, if only the owner in the west would be satisfied with the lackeys ... I'm shocked

[bk316]

I'm in shock

Of course, if you don’t understand basic things, you will be in constant shock from the world.
Have you heard anything about the world division of labor?
Mangoes do not grow in RF. And the people want it. And the great truth says "To buy something, you must first sell something."

[Demon_is_ada]

Yeah then from the world division of labor and other invisible market organs that will do everything for you, the population is dumping from a prosperous country to the next world ... Have you heard about the situevina with demography? And under the Iron Curtain, they multiplied and multiplied, and the fact is fact, and not the empty chatter of "experts" of the invisible organ of the market ...

[Old26]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

If they had not fed chyme, the price of meat would be at least double.
We have a chicken with poultry farms - 100 rubles, maybe a little more. Farm - 350.

We have approximately the same order, but we have not taken chickens from the poultry farm for a long time. Farmer is cheaper, rubles 150-180, but still about half

Quote: Alexander X

Quote: Hagakure

Do you know what kind of bread (in terms of quality) we eat and why?

Bad bread is sold where it is bought. They make it from cheap flour and bad yeast. Where there is competition, the bread is wonderful. I observe this personally, for when I retired I moved to the village. Local selpo sells bread from the city bakery and from the village bakery. Everyone buys a township. Village bread is much tastier and 2 rubles cheaper. The answer is simple: in the village take the highest grade flour and yeast, which is necessary (not French). The profit per unit of output, I think, is even higher than that of urban bread, because there is no rent in the village bakery, electricity is cheaper ... and so on.

I completely agree, Alexander. When there was no competition, they knew that from the bakery No. X the bread was good, and from the bakery No. Y it was bad. Now sometimes take care of private trader’s bread, which is tastier and longer stored than factory

[Old26]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Vladimir hi So we are doing this, exactly as you have described, strictly or on your own market where I know everyone and they know me or strictly from my hands, that is, from a half-house household and into the freezer. But we are talking like a developed society, and not the feudal-natural way of conducting the economy lol.

What to do, Dmitry, you have to use exclusively "personal connections". But a developed society in terms of agriculture. I do not know if I will live to see him, to this "bright future". yes, and "vague doubts" are tormenting that with continuous production, the more mass quality will be the same as that of a farmer or entrepreneur who has a mini-plant.

Quote: Demon_is_ada

And then it’s all right - oh, and we have children who are painful, oh and we have raised the retirement age, oh and our population is declining despite the fact that half of Central Asia has moved to us and also a quarter of Ukraine, oh and they all died. ..

Yes, this obstinacy kills. it so happened that after the collapse of the Union, he was forced to leave the enterprise, as massive redundancies began. Knowledge of a computer, or rather a personal computer, helped to quickly find a job in a government institution - the organization worked and is working in the field of culture. The downside was that, compared to the same factories, the salary was lower. But since I started working in such an industry as printing, the rather low salary did not really bother me. There has always been additional income. But literally the next day after the onset of retirement age, they simply "left" me. I sat at home for a couple of weeks, resolved the issues that had arisen, and got a job at a Chinese network marketing firm. I have been working in it for 5 years. The salary is quite decent, the job is familiar (the same connections in the printing industry remained). But when I offered my former colleagues to go to work in the structure where I worked, I received as an excuse something like what you wrote:

[Husit]

That's what SANCTIONS are life-giving with Russia .. Another five-year period of such sanctions and our industry will rise significantly, etc.
Remember the young Soviet Russia, we were completely in blockade, and even threatened with invasion, completely devastated after the civil .. And what a breakthrough in industrialization, etc.

[alex007i]

Germany marks a sharp rise in Russian agriculture

Red calendar day, holiday is now in Germany.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: cniza

They don’t have enough cheese, so they cry.

Togo, with holes gnawed by mice with mold in the holes. Adored by snail-eaters with French hereditary syphilis.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

everything is simple, nothing will grow in the Krasnoyarsk Territory to recapture costs and earn !!! in Russia there is a lot of land but for agricultural there is almost no, mainly only south to Volgograd and Voronezh

Two in geography, history, literature. Don’t come without parents. For absolute not knowledge. Where were bread prices set in the 19th century? That's right, where it was collected most of all, in Russia. The Nizhny Novgorod grain exchange reigned and dictated prices, quotas and grain flows in Europe and the world. Where was taken the SOIL FERTILITY STAND of planet Earth? That's right, in Russia. In places where people lived for thousands of years, he used the fruits of the Earth, and did not spend it, but increased it. In the Voronezh province. A meter layer of pure humus was first exhibited for several decades at the Paris exhibition, such as the achievement of the national economy of world powers. And before which the miserable product of Jean Eiffel, his piece of iron looks miserable and useless. in 1898. On the threshold of the New 20th century. International Exhibition of Achievements. Then in the museum, and, before the war itself, the last remnants were lost. Not a rail is an indicator of culture, but an attitude towards the Earth. Understanding her needs, careful and understanding understanding of both her and herself on her.

[Demon_is_ada]

Victor, my respect and thank you for the truth ... people will leave this land to their offspring, so how can one hate their own children to do what they are doing now? Here you will involuntarily think about the words of Greta, is she not right? For the sake of profit, land is being depleted, water is being polluted.

[Archivist Vasya]

The rights are not a minor truant, but scientists who have been repeating this for a long time. And they have facts, but there is no influence and capital, so those who consider money (((

[Demon_is_ada]

From a moral point of view, is there a right for the truant to bring charges ... And what she says is that we are for all the good versus all the bad and nothing concrete, there’s clearly not enough education

[Old26]

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: cniza

They don’t have enough cheese, so they cry.

Togo, with holes gnawed by mice with mold in the holes. Adored by snail-eaters with French hereditary syphilis.

And what, good cheese - you can use it with pleasure. The same "Russian Roquefort" - the taste is "Spisifissian", but pleasant. The main thing is that now there is a choice. Maybe not an absolute copy of the original, but nonetheless. The wife, when necessary, buys both the Russian version of "Cheddar" and "Parmesan" The choice is very decent.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Victor, my respect and thank you for the truth ... people will leave this land to their offspring, so how can one hate their own children to do what they are doing now? Here you will involuntarily think about the words of Greta, is she not right? For the sake of profit, land is being depleted, water is being polluted.

Dmitry, is THIS the most important thing in the destruction of Nature? The mismanagement of the Earth. If you only knew how many of us in the USSR were killed! Because SHE IS FREE. A simple example - about 10% of the country's agricultural holdings were given to the agricultural needs of the townspeople. Remember the order? This year here, in the future, there .... There is no permanent YOUR strip that you could care for, fertilize, clean, ennoble. So 80 years old. Each Ministry carried out its plan. Reclamation - by the number of drains, watering, fertilizers and so on. Is it responsible for the crop? NO!!!!
The Ministry of Agriculture answered. But he had no hands to harvest. Therefore, the townspeople ..... Harvesters dragged across the country from there to here .... Who is to blame for the fact that they did not have time to harvest the corn and plowed it in snow already? Who is to blame that a BIG CROP is a BIG TROUBLE? Nowhere to store. Who's guilty? NONE. They sang about a stopudovy record crop. And, after all, these are only 16 centners per hectare. Today we have 54 centners, and this is AVERAGE IN THE COUNTRY. Raised the virgin lands. They killed 150 million heads of small slingshot. There was nowhere to graze. Sandstorms rose. Harvest on virgin soil - to 8 centners fell in a few years. They killed so many technicians. So much fuel, so many people dragged into the steppe. Enumerate mismanagement can continue.

[Old26]

Quote: Victor March 47

A simple example - about 10% of the country's agricultural holdings were given to the agricultural needs of the townspeople. Remember the order? This year here, in the future, there .... There is no permanent YOUR strip that you could care for, fertilize, clean, ennoble. So 80 years old.

I don't know where the dacha plots were so shuffled. It is another matter that at one time the enterprises provided "vegetable gardens". there really were 2-4 rows and the next year you could get them elsewhere. And the dachas have always been "stationary" ... And the owners were equipped as best they could. One could have a two-story house there, the other a one-story house. The third could use a decommissioned railway container as a "house". The fourth himself could knock down the hut from the boards (slab)

Quote: Victor March 47

Each Ministry carried out its plan. Reclamation - by the number of drains, watering, fertilizers and so on. Is it responsible for the crop? NO!!!!

Of course it didn’t. And how do you see it? Responsibility. The task of the subordinates of this ministry was that. to enable the ECONOMY to get a crop. If necessary, drain, if necessary, dig a canal and bring water to the fields.

Quote: Victor March 47

The Ministry of Agriculture answered. But he had no hands to harvest. Therefore, the townspeople ..... Harvesters dragged across the country from there to here .....

Harvesters were dragged not because they were not there, but because in order to help others reap a crop. For in different places of even one region or region, the harvest season was different. Citizens were sent for agricultural work, no one argues here. But they sent for auxiliary work. And they worked the way they paid. As in that very phrase: We pretend that we work, and they pretend that we are paid.
The urban dwellers also fell on auxiliary work, for example, current. Only those who had documents worked on machinery, and most often on the steering wheel combine, which the combine could occasionally let go to control the combine

Quote: Victor March 47

Who is to blame for the fact that they did not have time to harvest corn and plowed it in snow already?

And who do you think? exclusively Ministry of Agriculture or negligence of certain farm managers ???

Quote: Victor March 47

Who is to blame that a BIG CROP is a BIG TROUBLE? Nowhere to store. Who's guilty? NONE. They sang about a stopudovy record crop. And, after all, these are only 16 centners per hectare.

Well, if he treats his own work in the same way as the Ministry of the Communist Party sometimes treats, for which every year "winter comes suddenly" - then of course. A big harvest is a big trouble. How many worked "at the harvesting", being an employee of the department, design bureau, plant - always the grain was taken out to elevators. But how there, and why something was missing, the wine was also entirely on the heads of the same elevator. And in the USSR it was sometimes forgotten that harvesting is not only a matter of the economy, but that it should be a system that is well-functioning and working. And who is to blame for the fact that this system did not work - a question to the relevant structures ...

[mavrus]

Quote: Servisinzhener

I do not like Russian, there are from Argentina or Switzerland.

And the French?

[lvov_aleksey]

they admitted that they were wrong in the world, but they could not honestly admit to themselves that they were sent far and long

[Elephant]

I would very much like to see a sharp rise in the real sectors of the Russian economy - high-tech production, production of capital goods, etc. Also, a sharp reduction in trade in raw materials and effective sanctions against countries unfriendly to us.

[Archivist Vasya]

A significant / sharp rise is a clear exaggeration. In general, the situation is improving, but very slowly!
At the junction of the Smolensk and Moscow regions in the area of ​​the Belarusian railway in the last 5-6 years, only one barn appeared, and its products cannot be found in the shops of the nearest district center (Uvarovka village). Therefore, you have to go there personally, go straight into the barn, look at the cows, go into the back room, there is a queue, everything with its own container, prices are 30% lower than in the store, milk is still warm, even real. Calculation is natural only in cash.
But the fields are not watched better, some even abandoned.