From restoration to modernization: APU receive improved T-72 tanks

T-72AMT

During the war in the Donbass, Kiev-controlled forces lost an impressive arsenal of armored vehicles. Reducing, apparently, the acute need for it, the Ukrainian military is embarking on a gradual modernization of military vehicles. If the equipment previously lifted from the warehouses of the Soviet era passed mainly only restoration, now it receives certain improvements.

T-72 in new condition

January 24, "Kiev Armored Plant" sent to the disposal of the APU 15 MBT T-72. By March, it is planned to transfer another 16 advanced machines. As a result, it will be possible to equip tank battalion [31 units; apparently a new formation]. According to the Defense Ministry, the equipment has "improved performance characteristics."

According to him, during the restoration and modernization, overhauls were made, the optics and the stabilization system of the gun were finalized, and the overall running characteristics were improved. According to the local Ukrainian Defense express, having examined the photo material of the military department, the shipped APU tanks were partially modernized according to the T-72AMT project, which was presented in 2017.

This modification involves equipping MBT with third-generation night vision devices, a 1K13 night sight, which allows the use of Combat ATGMs, a B-84-1 powerplant, a dynamic protection complex of the T-72UA model type, Aselsan radio station, and SN-3003 navigation system " Basalt ”, with drive wheels with tracks and hinged shields of the T-80 type. At the same time, the designated publication notes that the transferred T-72 APUs have a number of differences from the basic AMT version.

Shipment of T-72 APU, January 2020

Thermal imager for breakthrough armored personnel carriers

Apparently, the armed forces are also on the verge of modernizing the fleet of armored personnel carriers. "Nikolaev armored plant" placed a tender involving the supply until July 2020 of thermal management night vision systems for equipment. A total of 46 units are purchased. equipment.

As can be assumed, BTR-70 and / or BRDM-2 will be equipped with thermal imagers during the upgrade, since this company is profiled on these types of machines. According to Defense express, it is possible that in the end it will be possible to bring the equipment closer to the level of BTR-70DіSv and BRDM-2Dі / BRDM-2DіSv.

The conclusions of the Ukrainian publication, which saw a serious “upgrade” in the restored machines, look overly optimistic. However, it should be recognized that these examples indicate the beginning of a gradual rearmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to more recent models of equipment.

Comments

[cost]

Judging by the presence of an infrared searchlight, they didn’t deliver teplaki? By the way, silent about the replacement of walkie-talkies. Have you cleaned and installed the old Soviet ones?
Headlight in place! Upgrade what you need! Keep it up!
No use, but extra money can be earned.

[Magic archer]

Why is it silent? The article indicates the same Aselsan radio station. I'm interested in something else. I remember how the past government, led by Gunpowder, shouted that the T-72s, those in the Donbas, were Russian tanks and were armed with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now look at where it came from

[cost]

Good morning, Vladimir
Ukraine inherited over 6500 tanks from the USSR. But a significant part of the cars were sold to Africa and the Middle East. It is impossible to count their number, a large amount was allegedly written off, but in fact, unofficially delivered privately abroad. The remaining tanks were largely withdrawn to storage bases. The main tank of the APU was the T-64. And the T-72 and T-80 were sent for storage. The choice in favor of the T-64, which was not a particularly successful tank, was due to the fact that they were produced in Kharkov, which facilitated repair and maintenance. In fact, there was another reason. Foreign buyers were interested in buying T-72 tanks, which went to Ukraine in a large number, and were not at all eager to buy T-64s that were difficult to operate. Deliveries abroad significantly reduced the fleet of Ukrainian T-72. The lack of T-64 tanks forced the T-72 and T-80 tanks to be urgently returned to the troops.

[Graz]

so they made purchases in Poland and the Czech Republic armored vehicles, I won’t be surprised if there were mainly intermediaries there

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Magic Archer

I remember how the past power, led by Gunpowder, shouted that the T-72

It was exactly like that, here you have to poke your nose into the lying lie, but the current Russian Foreign Ministry is incapable of this, unfortunately.

[Shteffan]

I mean t72b3 probably.

[svp67]

Quote: Rich

By the way, silent about the replacement of walkie-talkies.

This is from the article.

This modification involves MBT equipment .... Aselsan radio station,

It is strange that they did not want to change the engine, along with the MTO ... they didn’t pop their 5-tdf. And so, they brought this tank, as a result of modernization, to the level of T-72B

[The leader of the Redskins]

The engine, too, by the way, was changed. Instead, B46 installed B84-1. According to Ukrainian sources.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Instead of B46, B84-1 was installed. If you believe Ukrainian sources ....... it is better to trust Janie psaki than to Ukrainian sources, you can also laugh at her for one thing ... the mods of this engine did not have fundamental changes, the question is, what is the service life of these "modernized" motors, which are null on the territory of Y. what would they squeeze

[svp67]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

T-72 originally from the supply of the USSR T-72A went with the engine B84

No, then there was still a B-46, although, during modernization, from the mid-80s, a B-84 was really put on some part

[Crimean partisan 1974]

No, then there was still a B-46, although ..... without the "though", the B-46 was in trial operation, nicknamed object 172, a minuscule one went into a series of such, it was mainly adopted by the T-72A with the B engine -46-6, this is the same B-84 with some embedded ratsuhs, and so their performance characteristics are the same, perhaps along the way with the injectors, they even made it up and the 84th became more gluttonous, but also picked up the kWt without dropping the motor resource, evil tongues say that even yon increased by 10 percent, and the T-72 with a clean B-46 engine in the daytime with fire can not be found, those that were on the councils long ago left, and those that over the hill a long time ago skated all the terms

[The leader of the Redskins]

Do you think this article is based on the intelligence of Stirlitz or Abel? Try to look at the world wider. Or have you turned off the Internet?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Do you think this article is based on ....... it doesn't matter, what matters is what I corrected about the engines on the T-72, but about the Ukrainian media about the "modernization" of their T-72s like UA, there was no nor any installation of B-84-1 engines on them, because as they originally stood there, 72-eks with B-46 engines were written off for scrap in the early 80s even under the Great Elders in the early 46s, and they were all subsequent series were built with B-6-84 engines, its twin brother B-84, and B-1-XNUMX differs only in deflectors at the outlet, which more effectively mix the exhaust with atmospheric air, reducing the IR, here is the whole modernization according to U, the loot sawed off the tank painted and that's all - candy is ready, but from the fact that the world would look wider or wider or wider, the tank will not be better

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Instead, B46 installed B84-1.

Yeah, and which one was installed on the T-72B, since 1984? The same. This is the engine "great-grandson" V-2 and it is installed in the MTO of this tank "without tension"

[Roman Mironov]

T-72A impossible during the upgrade, bring to the level of T-72B. Basically.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The T-72A cannot be brought to the level of the T-72B during the modernization ... it is possible, but this radical alteration will be equal to the new 72B, the given U-bravado on this matter in the article is a banal sawing of the dough, and the funny thing is that those who do this " modernization "did it get crumbs, or maybe nothing at all, hi hack anyhow dupy ne trisnuli

[svp67]

Quote: Roman Mironov

T-72A cannot be brought to the level of T-72B during modernization. Basically.

?????? Why? Because the "in-package" tower cannot be changed? Well, see for yourself, the FCS installed a similar T-72B, installed the engine installed on the T-72B, strengthened the armor protection by "Contact" like the T-72B, but with elements of the "Knife", and on the tower it was also multi-layered, here's an increase in armor protection ...Etc...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Rich

Headlight in place! Upgrade what you need! Keep it up!

Donbas will crush everything - let them upgrade.

One man from Donetsk works for me in a company. He told me - at the time of the outbreak of the war, the DPR did not have armored vehicles. A month later, 4 armored personnel carriers and one tank.
Let the Country 404 modernize - Donbass come in handy.

And Ishsho told how in 2014 the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier was "taken" in the steppe, and then a naked (!) Negro (!) Was caught in the steppe. They asked him - are you naked? And he said that he undressed so that he would not be noticed at night.

2014, Karl!
Negro, Karl!

[Professor]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: Rich

Headlight in place! Upgrade what you need! Keep it up!

Donbas will crush everything - let them upgrade.

One man from Donetsk works for me in a company. He told me - at the time of the outbreak of the war, the DPR did not have armored vehicles. A month later, 4 armored personnel carriers and one tank.
Let the Country 404 modernize - Donbass come in handy.

And Ishsho told how in 2014 the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier was "taken" in the steppe, and then a naked (!) Negro (!) Was caught in the steppe. They asked him - are you naked? And he said that he undressed so that he would not be noticed at night.

2014, Karl!
Negro, Karl!

If until the moment with the black man your story was in doubt, now there is no doubt. Lies from the first to the last word.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: professor

If until the moment with the black man your story was in doubt, now there is no doubt. Lies from the first to the last word.

You, Oleg, from Israel know better than peasants from Donbass from Donbass.

Given the many years of experience at VO, there is no desire to even argue with you.

[Professor]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: professor

If until the moment with the black man your story was in doubt, now there is no doubt. Lies from the first to the last word.

You, Oleg, from Israel know better than peasants from Donbass from Donbass.

Given the many years of experience at VO, there is no desire to even argue with you.

And it is right. We must argue with me and tell how they caught a naked black man in the Donbass who disguised himself like that at night.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: professor

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: professor

If until the moment with the black man your story was in doubt, now there is no doubt. Lies from the first to the last word.

You, Oleg, from Israel know better than peasants from Donbass from Donbass.

Given the many years of experience at VO, there is no desire to even argue with you.

And it is right. We must argue with me and tell how they caught a naked black man in the Donbass who disguised himself like that at night.

Better about the Star of Bethlehem or the Jordan. And on politics, arguing with you is like shit without a spoon. The feeling in the mouth is the same ..

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: professor

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: professor

If until the moment with the black man your story was in doubt, now there is no doubt. Lies from the first to the last word.

You, Oleg, from Israel know better than peasants from Donbass from Donbass.

Given the many years of experience at VO, there is no desire to even argue with you.

And it is right. We must argue with me and tell how they caught a naked black man in the Donbass who disguised himself like that at night.

Better about the Star of Bethlehem or the Jordan. And on politics, arguing with you is like shit without a spoon. The feeling in the mouth is the same ..

The elect of God flew ...

Wellcome ...

[Sapsan136]

Have you heard recent statements by Zelensky ?! He refuses to give amnesty to the members of the LDNR armed groups, refuses to fulfill political agreements ... He believes that the residents of Donbass will really be dumped in Russia, leaving Banderaites empty for Donbass ?! Zelensky apparently thinks so ... probably didn’t eat those mushrooms ...

[Professor]

Quote: Sapsan136

Have you heard recent statements by Zelensky ?! He refuses to give amnesty to the members of the LDNR armed groups, refuses to fulfill political agreements ... He believes that the residents of Donbass will really be dumped in Russia, leaving Banderaites empty for Donbass ?! Zelensky apparently thinks so ... probably didn’t eat those mushrooms ...

I'm not interested.

[3danimal]

Perhaps, first of all (and mainly) the volunteers and “vacationers” will be blamed, without which these areas would not have turned into Ukrainian Somalia or Chechnya of the 90s.
With them a certain number of collaborators.

[Sapsan136]

I don’t think so ... I will have to bring down the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which are specifically bogged down in this war and they won’t see any victory there ...

[3danimal]

I thought that you would not argue with the arguments about the reasons for the emergence of the "regions" and their analogies with Chechnya in the 90s)
Imagine for a second that, say, Turkey began to actively support the separatists in arms and people in 1995. How many thousands of children from Russia would have died there? And how far could “independent Ichkeria” expand?

[Sapsan136]

But didn’t Turkey support Ichkeria ?! Yes, all the bandits of Dudaev were treated and trained in Turkey! As for the analogy, when the guys from LDNR begin to blow up hospitals and schools in Lviv, as Dudaev’s people did in the Russian Federation, then you will compare them, and today they can be considered the beast of their SBU-APU as terrorists

[3danimal]

The support you are talking about does not compare with what comes from Russia. Not about treatment, but about the supply of weapons, equipment, military specialists, on holidays. And I repeat - the death toll from us would have acquired at least an extra zero (IMHO), at the same level of supply. Sometimes you need to be able to look from the perspective of another, look for analogies
Animals from the APU? Want to say that these things are not mutual? And in their right all the same the first, they must restore the integrity of the country.

[Sapsan136]

Come on, drive it ... Only Ukraine sent to the Caucasus to fight against the Russian Federation 50000 of its Korchinsky, Mazurov, Bobrovich and other Bandera shortcomings ... ALL your country on the map of 1654, within the borders of which you came to Russia from Poland, and there restore, even the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, where you were obliged to give all the meat to a Polish pan, and keep fat and entrails for yourself ...

[3danimal]

I was born and live in Russia, if that Here's how some people are the same type and predictable ..
Do you want to get into historical jungle? You can remember the Mongol-Tatar yoke, or even dive into Hyperborea
In essence, you are looking for excuses for double standards. (There was no state support from the Chechen separatists on the Ukrainian side.)

[Sapsan136]

Makarevich also lives in Russia, this does not prevent him from becoming a Ukrainian Russophobe ... You don’t need to go into historical nonsense ... Ukraine became part of Russia within strictly defined borders and could also go into them, without any noise and dust, but Ukraine decided to appropriate foreign lands and arrange genocide of indigenous, non-Ukrainian population on them ... Ukraine will leave Donbass anyway, but if she wants to drown in blood first, this is her problem ... If Ukrainians do not understand that their independent Ukraine is not the Ukrainian SSR , they will come to this understanding through Ilovaisky coppers ...

[3danimal]

Could go out, could not ... How about the inviolability of borders and international treaties?
About Illovaysky coppers: again double standards. What about the storming of Grozny in the mid-90s?
What land has Ukraine appropriated and how? Where did the genocide take place? Or maybe she crucified the boys in Slavyansk? (Forgot, this is an annoying TV error)
Do you live in a parallel world? Stylistics, by the way, reminds A. Prokhanov.
Objectivity = Russophobia? Demagogic nonsense.

[Sapsan136]

Are you talking about a treaty of friendship and a treaty on the neutral status of Ukraine, which Ukraine has grossly violated by sending its bandits and military instructors to fight against Russia in the Caucasus and starting to yell that it will join NATO under Yushchenko ?! Yes, Ukraine has always been like that, since Mazepa, who swore either Sweden, Russia, or Turkey ... They don’t understand what honor is there! And you compare the map of Ukraine in 1654 and the modern one! Everything on map 1654 is Ukraine, and everything else is stolen in violation of the USSR constitution!

[3danimal]

I see everything is bad

[Sapsan136]

You have yes ... you live in a country that you hate and it is very bad for your future ... You’ll have to either leave, or sit, or just ... like Nemtsov ... Because, according to the laws of physics, the force of action is equal to resistance force ... you hate Russia, it will answer you the same ...

[3danimal]

I recall that during the years of the existence of the Reich, Adenauer was accused of not liking Germany and disapproving of foreign and domestic policies. Time has judged otherwise.
I have the right to my own opinion about what is happening, which I willingly share. To listen or not is everyone’s business. And by no means I urge to deal with those who disagree, unlike you. The same thing that you are talking about and that you are justifying (the murder of Nemtsov) - is called the word "fascism."

[Sapsan136]

You can disagree with the increase in the retirement age in the Russian Federation and the like, but if you plow a foreign state to the detriment of the Russian Federation and its indigenous population, you are an enemy of the people and the state ... Nemtsov plowed on the enemies of the Russian Federation ... just like Chernomyrdin through whose fault the Russian Federation was left without turbines for frigates, because it provided orders to Ukrainian plants, to the detriment of domestic enterprises

[3danimal]

My dear, it was possible to blame everyone who bought computers IBM and Apple, instead of waiting indefinitely for deliveries of the Soviet versions, with worse performance and higher price. Corresponding enterprises with collectives producing good gas turbines remained abroad.
I propose, by analogy, to discuss the maliciousness and betrayal of the initiators of the procurement of Siemens trains (Sapsan). Or ordinary users of a Makita power tool, to the detriment of Interskol or Yermak.
The facts of recruitment, transfer of money, criminal cases against Nemtsov or Chernomyrdin? About Nemtsov, by the way, speak well in the Novgorod region.

[Sapsan136]

It’s not necessary to blame those who bought it, but those who ruined the domestic production, by the way not as bad as the ones you want to display it ... I had to work on domestic computers and they were no worse than Western contemporaries ... The only problem which really existed in the USSR, is that each research institute that produced domestic computers tried to release them under its own computer program, which created certain difficulties with the transmission and processing of information, but in the last years of the existence of the USSR this deficiency was overcome ... let the FSB recruit facts engaged, and for turbines for frigates and so on they have been cursed many times in the Russian Federation ...

[3danimal]

So the FSB had nothing to present. (Articles for dislike of the president and imperiality have not yet been registered).
The problem of Soviet computers was the price (2-3 times higher with similar characteristics) and problems with components (in contrast to the IBM Logistics clock). And the fault here was a many-year perversion of the economy for the sake of ideology (scientific communism and other nonsense).

[Wanderer039]

Well, here it’s not love for the president, but dislike for Russia and the articles of Treason against the Motherland and calls for violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation in Russia, no one has canceled ... The fact that Putin doesn’t put him under orders does not mean that there’s nothing to put there is no reason ... Putin is an old man, he will die soon, and they will show you for your sins ...

[3danimal]

Reread the Criminal Code, no betrayals. A betrayal of ideology, some concepts, as an option. And according to the concepts, he was killed. This is very bad, actually. Puts on a par with a number of third world countries. (You will not argue that in the most protected part of Moscow, "enthusiasts" did similar things?)
And counter questions arise: to consider the people of the Russian Federation as a resource to ensure the standard of living and ambitions (having everything I want to play a little geopolitics for) a narrow group of people - is not treason? Look at the statistics of the income of the majority of citizens - in our country 100000 or more are received by no more than 10-15% of the population. Where is our "middle class?"
It seems that the mentioned group does not need it, it’s much more convenient to have a lot of poor / impoverished patients who depend on handouts from above.
Look at the statistics on hospitals and schools over the past 20 years, there are many photos from the regions - in what conditions many of them are contained.
But is it easier to blame Nemtsov for treason, and not Sechin - is it safer ??

[Sapsan136]

You yourself and read the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Article 280 ... According to it, your entire company can be safely and safely planted!

[3danimal]

Which is yours? I'm alone here.
And where do you see calls for extremist activity?
I see this on your part (

[Sapsan136]

Article 280 of the Criminal Code. - calls for violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation ... And at the expense of imperial chauvinism ... Ukraine has stolen the lands of its neighbors, and blames Russia for all sins ... Poland is generally a joke, half of the land is stolen, as in Ukraine, including from Germany, with which Poland entered into a pact in 1934 and, together with Hitler, occupied Czechoslovakia

[3danimal]

Listen, Ukraine annexed some lands in the 20th century? Look at the history of centuries before: everyone fought with everyone for one or another land.
Why are you talking about the borders of 1654, and not the 1223rd, or 1500th?
It is called, under any plans I will find a justification from a convenient historical period. Demagogy is all that.
Many people made pacts with Hitler. The same Bolsheviks and Stalin completely agreed on the division of territories. The trouble was that the dictator of the Reich was an adventurer, and most of the combat-ready commanders, who knew how, in particular, to manage the front (and not the maximum division like Pavlov) were destroyed, which assured the German General Staff of the insolvency of the Red Army (the Finnish campaign was a prime example) .

[3danimal]

Refresh your knowledge: “Article 280. Public calls for extremist activities.”
So, calls to crack down on people with an alternative point of view are extremism.

[Sapsan136]

Well, if you look so meticulous, Article 280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - calls for violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation ... By the way, ALL of these Bandera and Basmachi in the Russian Federation are recognized as terrorists ... As for Ukraine, it became part of Russia within strictly defined borders, than you came, yours, and you want to steal more, you are thieves, and theft is punishable ... ALL your independent Ukraine is on the map of 1654 and the sooner you understand this, the better for you!

[3danimal]

Who wants to steal and when? A review of the existing borders can generally lead far.
RI "squeezed" the Far East, weakened by the war with Britain, in the 19th century. Is China entitled to demand a return to the borders of that time?

[Sapsan136]

A revision of the borders of the former USSR will happen one way or another, because the borders of the former Soviet republics, created by the leadership of the USSR and for political reasons, do not meet the boundaries of ethnic living of peoples and historical justice ... If you do not want to drown in blood, leave yourself from foreign lands. ..China gave Russia its territories as a repayment of its public debt to Russia, so that the word has been squeezed out, it is not acceptable here .. Likewise, a number of republics of the former USSR gave their territories to China as repayment of their debts to China ....

[3danimal]

And what is the dislike for Russia? That I do not want her to be an empire, and the state apparatus to work more for the benefit of its citizens, instead of using them as a resource for ambition in the spirit of the 19th and first half of the 20th centuries.
Let me remind you that the Nazis accused Adenauer of dislike in Germany. The Nazis, who easily burned millions of Germans to please their crazy plans ... People for the "Imperials" are always a resource.

[Sapsan136]

However, you like the imperial ambitions of foreign states, and their territorial claims against Russia, and this gracious sovereign is nothing but treason ...

[3danimal]

Examples where do I like it?

[Sapsan136]

You like the US policy towards Russia, you like Ukraine’s occupation of the territories of Russia and the genocide of the Russian people organized by Bandera on them ...

[3danimal]

Do you live in parallel reality? When was the occupation of Russian territory? And the genocide (are you not talking about the "crucified boy"?)?

[Sapsan136]

I don’t live in parallel reality, you live in it ... You are for an independent Ukraine, but ALL non-independent Ukraine on the map of 1654, ALL other lands are stolen, it’s stolen and not conquered by you, and you will either have to leave or fight right away for them you won’t win ... Nobody called you to the same Donbass, even in the 20th century it was not part of Ukraine ...... This is me about the prohibition of the Russian language and so on ... about cries - .. ..on the knives ... Who is there on the knives then ?! Is this not genocide on ethnic grounds ?! Do you seriously think that Russia will forever look at this and endure the cries of all sorts of Tymoshenko about the need to kill us with an atomic bomb ?! The Russian Federation has only 30000 tactical nuclear charges ... want to try it your own way ?!

[3danimal]

Now you are threatening with massacres and calling for war with the use of nuclear weapons. How about adequacy in general?
As Professor Preobrazhensky said: do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning
P.S. Genocide is a fait accompli on a national basis. It is important not to get confused in terms. Although, after watching our talk shows, where everyone carries a gag and is constantly rude ... By the way, I don’t watch central TV for 10-12 years. Try

[Sapsan136]

Is this what I do ?! Isn’t it Tymoshenko who called for killing Russians with a nuclear bomb ?! Catching Bandera’s lies is simple, but this once again confirms that you are unsupportable and war is inevitable ... Such as you recognize only strength, but not common sense and justice ... I do not need to read (Soviet newspapers) ... You moaned for your military men who died in Crimea, but your lackeys made the first killings, from the Mejlis, I’m not talking about the killings in Odessa, back in the 90s, when the missile boat base that existed there during the Soviet Union refused to swear allegiance to your fascist Bandera state ...

[illuminat]

Quote: 3danimal

P.S. Genocide is a fait accompli on a national basis. It is important not to get confused in terms.

I agree, it’s important not to get confused.

The term "genocide" was first coined by a Polish lawyer of Jewish origin Rafael Lemkin. In 1933, R. Lemkin at the international conference on the unification of international law in Madrid proposed the development of an international convention against genocide, and also identified the following signs of genocide:

Destruction of cultural values ​​and historical heritage through the transfer of children of one ethnic group to another, forced and systematic seizures of civilizational and cultural elements, a ban on the use of the native language, the systematic destruction of books in the native language of this group, the destruction of objects of historical and cultural heritage (monuments, religious institutions , museums, etc.).
Acts of brutal aggression against certain individuals and social persons; violent invasion of the privacy of members of specific groups; targeted destruction of the historical, cultural and economic foundations of these groups.

Enlighten yourself. And try to compare with what is happening in Ukraine.

[3danimal]

I am for good neighborly relations and peaceful development. Although I was born and live in the Russian Federation, there are no relatives in the former republics. Strange, do you think?

[Sapsan136]

Good neighborly relations, in your opinion, are when you kill us in the Caucasus and the Donbass, and you occupy our jobs, get gas at domestic prices and free loans that you don’t pay for ... Such an RF is not needed !!!!

[3danimal]

I am Russian by nationality and a citizen of the Russian Federation, just clarifying. And then you, it seems, automatically rank those who have a different opinion from yours as Ukrainians.
Do not read Prokhanov, schizophrenia can be contagious

[Sapsan136]

I don’t care who you are by nationality ... Of you did not make a Russian Russophobe! Who! I dont know ! Someone from your relatives or acquaintances, but they did ... In addition, let me doubt that you are Russian ... Parenting, like yours, is received either by non-Russians who are sick with Russophobia and small-town nationalism characteristic of national minorities, or half-breeds, sick the same ... Life experience, you know ...

[3danimal]

You know, I’m flashing that I always critically evaluated the reformation (thanks to the parent) and did not like to follow the crowd. Even Lenin expressed dissatisfaction with abstruse intellectuals, they are poorly perceived propaganda, bastards

[Sapsan136]

The problem of abstruse intellectuals, to which you consider yourself, is that they are either foreigners suffering from Russophobia, such as Novodvorskaya, or not from this world ... If the prison has long been missing the prison, then the latter should have been sent to fight in Chechnya, Ossetia, and so on further, so that they see with their own eyes who and how are fighting against Russia

[3danimal]

Demagogy, lack of empathy, envy, intolerance ... What can be seen. I have not forgotten anything?

[Sapsan136]

Envy?! To whom and what do I envy you in your countries ?! I do not have to love you after you have treated ours with us, ALL of Russia does not love you, and not all of you love you in your countries! The same Hungarians of your Ukraine, which occupied them Uzhhorod and neighboring territories, well, something like that ... well, they are not in love with you ... You are a funny person, well, this, you, Ukrainians have typical patterns ... Once against Bandera, it means for Putin ... If they’re against Putin, they’ll put me in prison ... We didn’t even put your Novodvorskaya in prison, although there was a reason ... But now it’s not about that ... I wrote to you that EVERYONE is fighting against you in the Donbass, from communists to monarchists and you know, most of them are against you, but not for Putin ... The same monarchists in the Russian Federation are of the opinion that the throne of the tsar of Russia should pass to the heir to the throne living in Russia (not a monarchist, because the name of the one who should from their point of view, I can’t say for sure what to inherit the Russian throne), and not the newcomer from the West, a dark-skinned, gypsy-like type whom Putin greeted in Moscow ... So the monarchists in Russia are not for Putin, but against YOU! Nationalists in the Russian Federation openly announced a crusade against you, and your Bandera so hoped that they would be supported by the RNE, NBP and DPNI, apparently the gorillas were drunk ... The Communists understand that they can not stand you ... LDPR ... well, Zhirinovsky’s militia of the Donbass is personal He presented the armored car, although he is also against Putin, he wants to become president of the Russian Federation .... The list can be continued, but is it necessary ...

[3danimal]

Someone you remind me of .. On Livejournal not registered, by chance?

[3danimal]

Zhirinovsky vs. Putin
Listen to his statements before the last presidential election on this subject ..
I repeat: the Nazis of all stripes do not care about their real people. The people for them are abstract, they are easily ready to burn it as fuel for imperial ambitions.

[3danimal]

A somewhat incoherent stream of thoughts makes it clear about the level of mental organization
I see no reason to continue this topic.
Back to the original: do you have evidence of testing in the Donbass of American or Korean tanks?

[Sapsan136]

Well, if Zhirinovsky is FOR Putin, then what is he himself climbing into the presidency? He would have gone like Dimon to Putin as an apprentice ... Well, no, he marks the main ones ... You have a problem here .. No, I have never been to Levijornal .. I haven’t seen American tanks in the Donbass and don’t I heard about them, but about the South Korean (Black Panther), and this derivative from Abrams has heard quite a bit about the testing of new shells for it .. I will not give you links to Wiki, which you are waiting for, or something like that, but it was ... It would be ridiculous if our intelligence had not been there ... The rumors overgrown by inaccuracies that reached you are not such rubbish as you think ...

[3danimal]

That is, about the Black Panther only rumors. You know, you can still talk with pensioners on a bench ..
Black Panther (K2) has gone far enough. And the appearance is noticeably different. As I said, a reasonable explanation for such rumors and statements by various "commandants" and the DPR are irresponsible drag dealers.

[Sapsan136]

Well, if for you intelligence rumors ... But rushing around at headquarters and looking for evidence for everyone ... like you, I don’t have to and I don’t see the point ... Ukraine is sufferingly looking for ways to replenish its tank units, and for free ... And it turned out only to buy a batch of the ancient dead T-72, in export performance, in Czechoslovakia ...

[3danimal]

Intelligence Whose? Valiant Shtirlits DNR?
Speak honestly: "rumors, but I believe them."

[Sapsan136]

What for?! Do you think that only the CIA in Chechnya was rubbed ?! Russia has its own intelligence and not bad ... you call yourself Russian and tear your ass for Ukrainian imperialism and Ukraine’s occupation of the lands of neighboring countries, so you are not Russian ... These are for you Russians, these are Novodvorskie and other six USA, and for I am Russian, they are patriots of Russia ... and not the owners of real estate in London and Croatia ...

[3danimal]

I just do not have real estate, unlike many notebook telepatriots. Inconsistency?

[3danimal]

Russophobe - hating Russian. I have a Russian wife, daughter, most friends.
I donate part of the money for the treatment of Russian children and I really don’t like that there is no money in the budget for this, but there is money to support the Makhnovism in the Donbass. This is a matter of priorities. For you, obviously, Russians are an abstraction. For me, there are always specific people.
Or for you, any non-imperial-minded person - Russophobe? Browse through the explanatory dictionary.

[Sapsan136]

Apparently they are the same (Russian) as you ... You are not an imperial-minded person, you, speaking for the Ukrainian Empire in the lands of neighboring countries occupied by Ukraine ?! Do not make me laugh !!!

[3danimal]

You have a violation of logic: not an imperial man stands for any empire
Where is this empire? Who is the emperor? Which aristocratic house is headed by her? When were the lands recaptured? Which neighboring countries?

[illuminat]

Quote: 3danimal

I am for good neighborly relations and peaceful development.

If this were true, you would be outraged by what the Ukrainian authorities have been doing over the past years. Genocide.
Therefore, your statement about yourself is not true.

[3danimal]

As for the sanctions: they would not exist, if we had remained in the position until 2014. Look at Japan - they have achieved much more through development and trade than by the policies of expansion and militarism in the recent past.
IMHO, increments of the territory should be profitable, but not unprofitable. The citizens, of course, will pay for everything ... And pensioners will once again go to fight for the delay in the supermarket.

[Sapsan136]

And this situation does not suit Russia and never did, because after the collapse of the USSR, Russia, thanks to pro-American proteges in the Kremlin, lost tens of millions of its citizens, received the complete collapse of industry and the economy ... You promised friendship, and you yourself began to cast medals for the victory in the cold war ... If in the near future you do not take up the mind, you will get a war and you will not be able to defeat it !!!

[3danimal]

I definitely didn’t cast any medals, I went to my high school in the 90s :)
Wind yourself less. Think about it, because the same people who evoke the urge to war in you convince you that raising the retirement age is good. And then, having received a multi-million dollar salary (from yours, including money), they go on vacation to the “spiritless west” to the acquired villa, having citizenship or a residence permit there.

[Sapsan136]

Not you, so your masters were casting, is it all the same ... Are you on Putin’s account ?! A typical fallacy of a Ukrainian ... Do you think Putin will die and in Russia will almost begin to erect monuments to Bandera ... Putin is more likely your person than ours, since his policy is a step forward and two backward, with an eye on the United States and walking around the saint for him and his entourage of the Yeltsin swamp ... Also, Moses ... You look who is fighting against you in the Donbass! There EVERYTHING, from the Communists, to the monarchists and EVERYTHING, you have long stood across the throat ...

[3danimal]

You have an obsessive condition regarding Bandera? This doesn't concern me much.
No one is fighting against me and the Krasnoyarsk Territory, I am sure.
I have an employer (energy company), but there are definitely no owners. What is wrong with you? Speak in solid cliches. Are you out of your mind? Or is it a training manual such at hand?

[Sapsan136]

Well, it’s clear, typically Ukrainian - my hut from the edge ... This is being treated by moving to the Rostov region, where 3 Russian citizens have already died in the border villages due to Ukrainian shelling ... I’m in my mind, but I have doubts about you ..Well, you are either the first or the second, as I wrote above ...

[3danimal]

Krasnoyarsk Territory completely suits me, do not call

[3danimal]

More than 13000 Ukrainian citizens have died in recent years (only officially). Why even arrange a war? It only casts off in development.

[3danimal]

What about the mentioned propagandists? Will cognitive dissonance arise?

[3danimal]

Outcasts from all over the (predominantly Islamic) world also went to Chechnya.
And about Putin you would beware. And it’s not far from the insult
So you, as I understand it, a nationalist who believes that the president of the Russian Federation should have taken over all of Ukraine?

[Sapsan136]

Yes, I don’t call ... For me, to call you such people outside of the Russian Federation ... So ask your friends what they are fighting for the Donbass, which for several years they called the backward wild region, ostensibly overeating Ukraine, populated by Russian lazy drunks preventing Ukraine from developing and going to Europe!? And how about dissonance with Gusinsky’s media from London ?! Why am I afraid of Putin? I’m not you, they won’t sew me up to my homeland, democracy in Russia, and Putin’s rating is not the same as in 2014, he’s afraid now, and that's why he started songs about improving the welfare of the people in Russia ... Insults ?! I do not insult anyone ... It's just that I don’t consider the patriots of the Russian Federation as patriots of the pro-American alcoholic Yeltsin ... But this is not Putin, Dimon put it, but it doesn’t matter ... It’s important that Putin is not going to fundamentally change the policy Yeltsin, and this is a swamp harmful to Russia ... But again, it doesn’t matter, these are internal Russian disassemblies for which a citizen of the Russian Federation has every right ... ALL Ukraine I do not need for nothing, like Bandera in Russia !!! Why do I need bandits in Russia with Russophobia? !!! I do not need them in the Russian Federation ... !!! Russia must return its own, we do not need someone else! I wrote to you that ALL of your Ukraine on the map of 1654! That's yours, I do not need! As for the fact that you squeezed out the Romanians, Hungarians and Poles, then this is also not my business, sort things out among themselves!

[3danimal]

Citizen, you need to be treated. Ukraine is NOT mine, I have never even been there.
Reminds some of the figures of Nazi Germany, who Germans (by blood) who disagree with the imperial policy of the Nazi Party were called German Jews.
Throw out the binders of Prokhanov, Starikov, Fedorov and do not watch TV for a couple of years

[Sapsan136]

To your surprise, I didn’t read them ... Less listen to all the rubbish from Russophobic Rains and all kinds of Lviv parties, such as Yabloko, Ukrainian imperialism may disappear from your head ...

[3danimal]

Ukrainian imperialism? Is this something of Marxism-Leninism?
Imperialism infuses manifestations, my opinion. As far as we know, nationalists in Ukraine do not have a majority anywhere, rather marginalized. As with us, in fact (there are also Limonovites and other RNEShniki).

[Sapsan136]

In Russia, the RNU is banned, and your fascists are sitting in the government and parliament of Ukraine ... The Bandera imperialists are also occupying the lands of your neighbors, to whom you are ready to lick your boots, so it’s not for you to blame the Russian Federation for anything ... Ukraine such as you would have long ago destroyed in the dungeons of the SBU, without noise and dust ...

[3danimal]

About the country where I was born (and many generations before me), I live and pay taxes, I can express my opinion. And I believe that some kind of “revival of imperialism” is only harmful (morally obsolete).
That's strange: where are the publications about the terrible executions in the dungeons of the SBU?
It's funny about boots: you just want to blurt out something offensive
About the occupation of neighbors can be more detailed: what areas, what forces (how many bayonets, sabers, guns) are occupied? (Hope Rostov is okay?)

[Sapsan136]

Ukraine today occupies the territories of Russia, Romania, Hungary and Poland without having the right to do so, especially since after the heroization of Hitler’s deficiencies by Ukraine, such as Bandera and Shukhevych, Ukraine can no longer be called the country of the anti-Hitler coalition ... By the way, there is a union for ( return) Kuban, which did not belong to Ukraine for a day and was conquered by Russia from Turkey ... Is this not Ukrainian imperialism ?! By the way, gangsters such as Tyagnebok and Poland are making territorial claims

[3danimal]

Even so
So when were these lands conquered and occupied?
By your double standards, all the countries of Eastern Europe, except Ukraine, have always been unshakable within the borders and did not try to periodically snatch anything from their neighbors? Seriously? And only one was the aggressor (they told you so).
There is a UN, why are affected countries silent?
What about the half of the Far East, torn away by a treaty imposed by the Chinese, or the multitude of small nations (some of which had their principalities and resisted) that were conquered during the growth of the Russian Empire?
The situation has changed, the borders after the 2nd World War are considered settled.

[Sapsan136]

The UN is gearing the United States ... About the Far East it’s completely sour, I already wrote to you that China paid its debts to the Russian Empire with its lands, just like today a number of countries of the former USSR transferred their territories to China as repayment of their debts to it! Well then, why did Ukraine climb to the Kuban, and by the way, Crimea was stolen from the RSFSR after the Second World War ... The USA redrawed the borders of many countries after the Second World War, so you have bad memory ... And ALL of your Ukraine on the map of 1654 , within the borders of which you came to Russia from Poland, in the other borders of independent Ukraine there has never been, is not and is not necessary! The UNR map is not an argument, since it was painted on German money by Grushevsky, sitting in Lviv, who did not have real power even in Lviv (the Germans ruled there) and in Kharkov at all!

[3danimal]

What territory of the United States officially joined after 2MB?
Ukraine climbs the Kuban how?
How Ukraine stole the Crimea? The territory of the republics within the framework of ONE state was redrawn by General Secretary Khrushchev. Everyday, quite. Maybe there was a popular outrage, or did the Politburo protest? No. Claims against the Bolsheviks, many of whose former functionaries are in the government.
Historical disputes about 1654 are meaningless. Someone likes the borders of the Russian Federation, say, 1223. I forgot that there was no such state at that time.

[Sapsan136]

And what's the difference, they’ve joined, or occupied ?! But what .. The US occupation is even worse than the annexation of Russia, since in Crimea everyone received citizenship and the rights of a citizen of the Russian Federation, and the United States instead of US citizenship in the occupied territories gives the locals only the rights of Indians to extinction and destruction ... Now there is no USSR and the borders of the Ukrainian SSR, these are not the borders of independent Ukraine, forget ... I'm not talking about the fact that Khrushchev himself is a bandit and a murderer who came to power through a military coup ...

[3danimal]

. instead of US citizenship in the occupied territories, they give local only the rights of Indians to extinction and destruction

Give examples? What century are you talking about, by the way?
The bulk of the Bolsheviks are bandits and murderers (no secret). And in comparison with Stalin, Khrushchev is very herbivorous. Collectivization, the collapse of the army’s leadership before the war, concentration camps, executions and killings of demons ...

[Sapsan136]

Is your memory bad ?! By the way, what about the fascist - Pinochet, a US protege from whom the United States did not rush to defend anyone? How about the killed Serbs, with the approval of the NATO pseudo-peacekeepers in Kosovo, and also in Yugoslavia, Libya, Grenada, Vietnam, Iraq ... The United States did not call and their military bases too ...

[3danimal]

Explore the issue of war in the Balkans in the 90s. And find that the death toll from the bombing is incommensurably small with the previous victims.

[Sapsan136]

Nevertheless, the United States did not call anyone there and their intervention only increased the victims, not reduced ... To bomb Belgrade was, in principle, barbarism .. !!! And I don’t need tales about the Croatian bandits who the United States allegedly defended from Milosevic, and now they themselves don’t know what to do with them, since this audience doesn’t stop doing banditry ... The USA did not run to protect anyone from its fascist Pinochet .. .

[3danimal]

Some people look from a different angle: US intervention has stopped the war in the Balkans, and the appearance of new victims has come to naught. And the truth is, the conflict has died out.

[Sapsan136]

I was in Yugoslavia, and most likely you are not, so I don’t need to tell tales about what the USA did there ... The conflict is frozen, but it does not stop ... The territories of Yugoslavia are occupied by the USA, a gangster regime controlled by the USA is established there and US military base to defend it

[3danimal]

Some kind of strange occupation: where are the Gauleiters, the occupation administration, why are the elections taking place?
. Some say that we are under occupation (whose?)

[Sapsan136]

The United States, of course ... Or do you think that the merging of the interests of the Russian Federation in the 90s and 80s was just like that? The USA then succeeded in the unthinkable, they bought the head of the KGB of the USSR Andropov, and the political killings of such people as the head of the BSSR Masherov cleared the way for the US protege Gorbachev, who otherwise did not shine power in the USSR, from a word at all ... The occupation administration is Chubais, Gorbachev, Yeltsin , Yumashev and others .. Yeltsin’s grandson is a US citizen, daughter of an Austrian citizen, and so on ... Elections are fiction! Do you seriously believe that someone voted for the drunk Yeltsin, and this at that beggarly standard of living? Do not make me laugh !

[3danimal]

Conspirology of pure water. Remember also where the daughter of Stalin and the children of Khrushchev lived. Have to tweak the conspiracy theory
One of the daughters is married to a Dutch citizen. New page .. By the way, what do you think of Jews with Masons? :)

[Sapsan136]

Well, the children of Stalin escaped just because of Khrushchev, and the children of Khrushchev were afraid of Brezhnev ... There are no Masons now, almost none, they are fewer than hereditary Cossacks, except for the mummers ... Jews? Israel is an ally of the United States, that’s it ...

[3danimal]

But why did everyone run straight to the "stronghold of imperialism"?
Could "invasion and capture" happen 70 years ago?
A rhetorical question...

[Sapsan136]

And where was to run? Sweden’s neutrality, more in words than in deed, in addition, neutrality allows any decision to be made, which is fraught with surprises for the runaway, including the decision to extradite the USSR ... And then only the social and capital of the country ... It is clear that the countries The Warsaw Pact would obey Moscow, especially since Stalin was a better master than Khrushchev, but they do not like the strong ...

[3danimal]

In the convention against the USA (without allies) it will not be possible to win - only local successes are possible. It is enough to compare the forces. Unless their delivery by sea, on which they have a clear advantage, will take some time.
And in nuclear, everyone will suffer terrible losses. But we are stronger. The territory is populated extremely unevenly, see the settlement map. Most nuclear weapons carriers will be disabled (compared to the United States). There was a fairly balanced article about the possibilities for covering the SSBN in patrol areas (there is little strength for this). And the “strategists" standing at the berth are an excellent target during a nuclear strike on it (in one fell swoop - a bunch of hares).
The calculation of the moral weakness of the US military is extremely dangerous and unreliable, akin to believing in a miracle.
The good news is that they won’t start the war first. Price is too high, with indistinct benefits.

[Sapsan136]

What is your advantage for the USA ?! In quantity yes, but not in quality! We saw the Yankees in Yugoslavia, when our peacekeeping contingent was standing there ... Yankee soldiers are afraid of their own shadow, their equipment is skidding in a puddle ... The main US anti-ship missile is the Harpoon subsonic missile, the homing head of which is inferior to the domestic Uran uran ... Onyx missile -M the Yankees don’t have at all ... They all want to create an invisible plane and missiles, but they don’t get it ... The United States has the Minuteman missiles, they are older than me, in my 40s ... These are more dangerous for the USA, since can jerk off at launch ... The main museum bomber in the USA is the B-52, the youngest of which left the workshop before my birth ... The USA will start the war first, all their plans are built on that, but it will bury them ...

[3danimal]

You know, this is just ridiculous.
Following your analogy, they, say, MMA fighters should lose to ours before they even enter the ring. (We are the highest nation). But the battles pass, and it all depends on the abilities and training. Where does morality come from ??
About technology is also not serious.
I propose to compare the number of anti-ship missiles in service, the number of their carriers.
B-52 is not much older than the Tu-95.
Let's discuss Trident-2 missiles? Minuteman-2 (3?) Modern is somewhat outdated, but you should not be deceived by the year the first version was staged. An analogy with the evolution of the same (by name) AIM-9 rocket.
I have concerns for our mine ICBMs, after the memorable Rogozinsky “it is possible to blow them up right in the mines”.
No one has ever tried to create an invisible aircraft (are you specially twisting it?), But hardly noticeable in the necessary ranges of radio waves - 1-10 cm (in which the accurate surveillance radar and the "backlight" radar work).
The United States will start the war first .. Against the Russian Federation? With inevitable huge sacrifices for yourself, but what are your goals? You forget that there is no leader regime in the United States with the absolute power of a dictator. Only this can easily neglect their citizens in the name of delusional fantasies and ambitions.

[Sapsan136]

The last Tu-95 went into operation in the early 90s ... The last B-52 went into operation in the early 60s ... So ... the US wants to rule the world, and this is always a war and for this purpose they attacked and to Yugoslavia and Iraq and Libya and Vietnam and Grenada and Cuba, everywhere they need six in the chairs of the presidents and do not have to drive for the fact that the United States defended someone there ... Something the US did not run to protect anyone from their own fascists such as Pinochet ... As for the US missiles, their ICBMs are solid fuel, and these missiles have their pros and cons ... The plus is that they do not need to be refueled before the start, like the first RCBs, but the minus is that solid fuel has storage restrictions ... So, for example, the US Piskipper ICBMs were forced to completely disarm just because of the decomposed fuel ... Russian railways today do not refuel in the hull, as before, because of which old missiles needed to be launched at a gas station, but equipped with fuel capsules, it’s a kind of fuel tank, such as a battery in a pocket flashlight, only with liquid fuel, such ba ki can be changed from time to time ... The old solid-fuel ICBMs, such as Topol, the Russian Federation removed from service, and new missiles ... they are new ... US superiority in the number of Russian missiles will be spoiled by quality ... Supersonic Onyx-M, with with a range of 800 km, it costs much more in battle than a dozen subsonic American anti-ship missiles Harpoon with a range of 270 km ... the United States relies on its missile defense, hopes to play with one goal ... Break off ... Their supposedly invisible aircraft are perfectly visible even on Soviet and export MiG-29A radars ...

[3danimal]

Mig-29a ... And what can you tell about his radar?
It looks like you've heard enough of the bank / have read agitation literature. For a change, open the radar basics tutorial)

[Sapsan136]

You still won’t understand anything in the radar ... The MiG-29A were in service with the Warsaw Pact countries ... The MiG-29B were in service with the countries that were not part of the Warsaw Pact ... The USSR Air Force had better MiG models ... So The USA received the MiG-29A after the reunification of Germany and tested them ... For the American F-117 and B-2 they were reckless ... By the way, even the Yankees recognize the loss in Yugoslavia of 1 F-117 (because its wreckage in the location of the parts of Yugoslavia) and deny the loss of 2 B-2 (the wreckage of which fell in the location of the parts of the Croatian militants) but also the F-117 and B-2 were immediately discontinued after the war in Yugoslavia ... Ask yourself - Why? They wouldn’t remove an efficient aircraft from production ... High cost is not an argument, since the United States spent a lot of money on destroyers like Zumwalt, not counting money, in the hope of their effectiveness ...

[3danimal]

It seems that under the phrases “you don’t understand about radar,” you are trying to hide your ignorance of even the basics of radar.
Instead of an answer in essence, you begin to retell agitation literature texts. No specifics, only "our best." Not serious.

[Sapsan136]

I don’t care what it seems to you there, because you had the smart mind to put the Tu-95 of the 1992 model (the youngest of them) and the B-52 of the 1962 model (the youngest of them) on one stage ... You are not in aviation you understand rockets too, I don’t think that your knowledge is better in the radar ...

[3danimal]

Study the issue of upgrading the B-52 (in what years and what was it).
So your knowledge in these topics is superficial, as before, no specifics.

In the topic of radar, I have ... a little more experience, but you can try to justify your point of view

[Sapsan136]

You need to study this question, but I know it well ... An old aircraft, having great difficulties with spare parts and reliability ... Plans to re-equip the B-52 with new engines remained on paper ... In addition, study the metal fatigue factor, aircraft can't fly forever ...

[3danimal]

Obviously, for the US Air Force, these aircraft are satisfactory in their role.
Too many dots. Confusion in thoughts?
Compare the number of new combat aircraft in the US Air Force and the Russian Federation.

[Sapsan136]

This is not an answer ... Especially since you are again disingenuous ... the USA cannot create a plane satisfying them to replace the B-52 and others (B-1 and B-2) just cannot ... That is why the USA also deduced from the composition of their B-1 air forces, and then they were forced to return them to service, due to a lack of aircraft ... I don’t see any sense in comparing the F-35 with something, it’s a plane for one battle, since maneuverability is nowhere and there is no invisibility ... Again, therefore, the US Air Force orders the new F-16, F-18 and F-15

[3danimal]

Wrong. Looking at the history of their aviation, it is clear that they do not seek to replace successful models. The richest ... save. Sometimes it happens
F-16 is the most massive and successful (in terms of sales, at least) 4-generation aircraft in the world. And the upgraded versions are very different from the first ones. Just the Americans do not change the name of the new versions (like Su-27 and Su-30. Which was originally called Su-27M / M2).

[Sapsan136]

Well, if I agree with you about such machines as the Su-27P and Su-30K, then the Su-30SM and Su-35 are other machines ... The main difference between the F-16 models is more advanced electronics, the dryers have more differences ...

[3danimal]

The possibility of using new weapons, new radars (including AFAR), modernized engines and reduced EPR.
The cabin is noteworthy - it has a solid, non-binding lantern, on modern versions with a "gold" coating. (And the question is, what prevented doing the same on the Su-57).
If you put on an F-16 engine with OVT, it will not turn into a new plane. IMHL, our renaming, the essence is a marketing move.

[Sapsan136]

Our renaming is not just a replacement for the engine, there is a completely new fuselage, heavier and more durable, with more durable landing gear, under a greater combat load ... The plane was made a full fighter-bomber ... With the cockpit, the Yankees have more problems than successes, as with the catapult seat itself ... the Yankees couldn’t make such a successful seat as the Russian Federation, they couldn’t even reach the level of the English armchair of the Martin Baker company of the last century ... Emergency escape from a Yankee plane is a big problem, the pilots are stupid they break their neck about this same flashlight, the discharge of which is far from smooth ... Therefore, there are no survivors from the fallen F-35s, and the Yankees had such problems still on the F-14 ..

[3danimal]

Well, as much as you can .. Study the statistics of F-35 crashes: there were only 2 crashes - in one pilot he successfully ejected, in the second (over the ocean) - he disappeared (probably died).
In total, there were more accidents - about 7. With 480 built.

[Sapsan136]

And where did you get the idea that the US does not hush up the losses? In fact, at least 5 cars were lost ...

[3danimal]

This means that our accident statistics cannot be reliable. What should be based on then? On the rumor? Yellow press?
I wonder where you got data on 5 cars?
According to official reports - 2 crashes, plus after one of the accidents the plane was decommissioned as unrepairable. 1 dead Japanese pilot.

[Sapsan136]

Our statistics of accidents is quite reliable, since after the collapse of the USSR, all accident data was poured into open sources and now they are not too secret, and the USA did not even publicize accidents on the Nautilus nuclear submarines ... Well, officially ... Do not forget who I am ... Although I’m almost a former one, we don’t have any former ones ... Two F-35s crashed during tests in the USA, one more after being adopted, in the same place ... Two F-35s were lost in Japan, one Japanese , the second from the US airbase ... Killed at least 3 pilots, Japanese and 2 Americans ..

[3danimal]

How reliable is the information that all classified accident statistics have been published? The Union even secretly crashed civilian aircraft (more comfortable for officials).
I am sure that now they are also trying to hide as much as possible the data on accidents, at least for new products.
The F-35 project was originally one of the most transparent, in comparison with others of this kind. And again, what you propose to take on faith is rumor, even in a specific environment.

[Sapsan136]

F-35 generally frankly unsuccessful aircraft, the same coffin as the F-104 before him

[3danimal]

Coffin .. Does it have similar accident statistics? :)
Option "B", by the way, is generally unique in its class. The best solutions and features.
IMHO, you made up your mind without bothering to figure it out on your own. It's easier when you are offered ready-made judgments ...

[Sapsan136]

I just figured it out ... Yes, and the Yankees tested the F-35 without any noticeable success ... F-22, yes, the car is situationally dangerous ... Why is that? Yes, because it has a deviated thrust vector only on verticals, on horizontal lines the thrust vector does not deviate, for the sake of invisibility, which failed

[3danimal]

Stealth doesn't work? Thousands of sorties of the 117th and one confirmed downing (with guidance over the visual channel).
All modern fighters, ships are trying to do, minimizing the EPR. By stupidity, you think?
And the developers of the Su-57 should also send a letter with a comment about their incompetence, (how much time and money they spent on “inventions”)

[Sapsan136]

Su-57 is an attempt to combine stealth with good flight performance. How successful is it, wait and see ... The fact that the wreckage of two B-2 Spirit shot down in Yugoslavia fell in the location of Croatian gangs and were quietly taken out to the United States still led to the cessation of production of this worthless and very expensive aircraft ... Yankees to deceive their housewives, shouting that they recognize something there and something not, foreign states have intelligence and they know the truth.

[3danimal]

Remind me, what statistics of losses in relation to sorties ??
About B-2 - these stories are full in the "yellow pages", it does not inspire confidence (they were still modest, they could be increased by 5 times).
At the 57th, the construction and coating of Stealth was by no means experimental; everything was checked a long time ago and conclusions were drawn. Another thing is that subtle solutions have been neglected in favor of manufacturability in some places.
(The same solid lamp: I have not seen a single Soviet / Russian fighter with this).

[Sapsan136]

In any case, the removal from production of this supposedly super-bomber, after he screwed up in Yugoslavia, is quite logical, there is no other explanation worthy of attention. On the Su-57, the thrust vector is stored in two planes, this somewhat reduces stealth, but completely retains flight characteristics

[3danimal]

Super Bomber (B2) remained in service. Although no longer produced (there are enough of them, I suppose).
The F-117 was a big accident, this is the main drawback. And also a small combat load, it was a very highly specialized aircraft. Which, as soon as the F-35 program is ready, was withdrawn from service in 2008.

[Sapsan136]

21 cars is enough ?! For the Argentine Air Force, maybe it would be enough ... B-2 was removed from production precisely after its unsuccessful use in Yugoslavia ... After the war in Yugoslavia, F-117 was also withdrawn from production ... F-35 is also very peculiar the plane ... The deck car will always be inferior to the land one in combat capabilities, and here they also sacrificed flight characteristics in an attempt to achieve invisibility, which did not happen .. Deviated nozzles make it possible to perform a fairly effective anti-ballistic maneuver .. or launch a missile into the enemy’s aircraft behind ...

[3danimal]

You see, after - this is for a year or three. But not 9
At speeds of 0,8-0,9M and higher, spinning in the air will not work - “ultimate overload”.
21 pieces for $ 2 billion each. They thought it was expensive. Take an interest in the fact that after the end of the Cold War in the USA, the production of promising equipment was severely cut.
How effective the 35th will be seen over time.
I can only notice that option B is the best UVVP aircraft in recent times in terms of the totality of technical solutions.

[Sapsan136]

Air combat is not conducted at supersonic speeds ... See the wars of African countries ... There some Negroes bought a Su-27 in the Russian Federation, other Negroes bought a MiG-29 in the Republic of Belarus and fought among themselves ... Victory over the Negroes on a Su-27. .. Drying radar is better and there is more fuel ... In battle, nothing is superfluous and the controlled thrust vector in horizontal and vertical planes is a significant plus

[3danimal]

The 35th radar is very good (objective). Plus there will always be more.
The battle is not only close :) and the speeds are different.
0,8M - not supersonic, about 900 km / h. But turns at such speeds do not twist using UHT. And specifically slow down, lose energy to "spin" - the point?
So pilots will not use super-maneuverability in a limited speed range - say, in a "dog dump".
Which F-35 pilots and others will avoid.
The training of pilots and group tactics will be (and always is) of great importance.

[Sapsan136]

Since the F-35 did not happen invisibly, and their maneuverability is nowhere, and the speed will not allow them to tear themselves away from the enemy, and in the Russian Federation not only new planes, but also new missiles are adopted, the F-35 will be quite simple targets .. . The deck machine is initially inferior to the land one, and with flight data limitations for the sake of pseudo-invisibility and even more so ... The only machine that can possibly create some problems of the Russian Aerospace Forces is F-22 ... Some of them, because of the horizontal change in the thrust vector no...

[3danimal]

Speed ​​will definitely not allow you to tear yourself away from missiles.
Maneuverability of the 35th at the F-18 level, which is not bad. (I'm talking about model A, the most massive).
Stealth exists and it is better than the Su-57 (EPR less).
UVT cannot be effectively applied at high speeds, their designers and tactics decided not to focus on it. Only time and real air battles will show.
In our (Air Force) VKS, the vast majority of airplanes do not have UHT.

[Sapsan136]

Tests by the Yankees themselves showed that the F-35s lose most of the battles of the F-16 block 50 or 50 + ... But maneuverability allows you to avoid missiles ... Speed ​​also matters, as soon as you reach the goal, complete the task and leave under enemy air defense fire ... At high speeds, battles do not take place, if it is not interceptors launching missiles to catch up with bombers ... The stealth of US planes is not enough for them not to be seen by the radar of the Russian Federation, which means it is useless against the Russian Federation, and for it achievements reduced flight performance ... By the way, the flight range also plays an important role, and for the Su-35, the radius of operation without PTB is 1800 km, for the F-35 from 865 km (for the F-35V) to 1140 km (for the F-35C), maximum depending on the modification .. (F-35A has 1080 km) ... With the PTB, the maneuverability and speed of the F-35 deteriorate even more, and in range it is still inferior to the Su-35S with the PTB ... The combat radius of the Su-30 - 1500 km, which is also more than any F-35 ... TTX Su-57 with new engines in the public domain, for now, no, but they probably will be higher than that of the Su-35S, which means much better than the F-35

[3danimal]

You see, the trick and forgery in the phrase "RF radars see stealth planes." Of course they see. Only from a distance of 4-10 times less than that declared against 4/4 + generation aircraft.
American radars "see" the same.
The smaller the EPR, the lower the detection range.
F-16s had an advantage in a number of fights only at close range, in the "dog dump".
At the far and middle, the 16th played with a bang.
Fighters do not fight with the PTB (were you interested?), Starting, immediately drop.

[Sapsan136]

Did they tell you in the USA? If so, the United States would have bombed the Russian Federation like Iraq, Libya, and Grenada long ago ... Only the Russian army prevents the Yankees from occupying the Russian Federation completely ... You can drop the tanks, but the question is how much fuel is without the PTB ... The less fuel, the worse, and the F-35, this figure is lower than that of the Su-30 and Su-35 with and without PTB .. Depending on which F-16, the latest modifications make the F-35, because the U.S. Air Force and ordered a new batch of F-16 , F-15, F-18 ...

[3danimal]

The United States generally doesn’t sleep at night (all 300 million), thinking of bombing us as soon as possible;) Yes, and occupying it) Iraq was a great burden to them, do not remember?
What unites the countries you mentioned? Weakness (cardinal, in comparison with the USA), aggressive behavior, support for terrorism.
It is necessary that many factors coincide. In addition, there were very low losses in the designated campaigns, which is impossible in the event of a war with the Russian Federation (they seek to protect their people).
The only option for a military scenario (IMHO) is if the leadership of the Russian Federation decides to "return" (annex) one (or several) of the Eastern European countries that are members of NATO. Which is unlikely (I really hope), as well as direct military operations.

[3danimal]

The latest modifications of the F-16/18 make the F-35 at what exercises and at what distances? What is the ratio of losses?
When resetting the fuel tank, there will definitely be enough fuel to fight and return (usually planned).

[3danimal]

The range for this class of (medium) fighters is good, in addition, there are 180+ F-22 and ~ 450 F-15 (combat radius 1967 km without PTB, with standard weapons).
In range 35th it is more correct to compare with the MiG-35 (range with normal combat load: 1000 km).
Modification "B" should be compared in range with other airborne aircraft.
It is also important that the United States has the largest fleet of air tankers.

[Sapsan136]

F-15 several times lose the Su-30, it is proved by training battles with the Indians .. F-22 the car is serious, but not without flaws ... It does not have a controlled thrust vector horizontally, with a coating giving it seemingly inconspicuous big problems, they collapses from dampness, and the sky is often damp, clouds ... F-22 is not delivered abroad, was not used in training battles with foreign countries ... A classified car ... although its approximate characteristics are already understood by us ... F- 22 may cause trouble, but it is not a death star ..

[3danimal]

Training fights of what modifications F-15 and Su-30, at what distances, which pilots?
F-22 is not a Star, they are just 180+ pieces built. Industrial records in this area are not our thing now, obviously ...

[Sapsan136]

The Internet is to help you, see the joint exercises of the USA and India ... The F-15 lost to the Indian Su-30 the vast majority of training battles .. I previously brought you the flight ranges of the F-35 and domestic cars, according to these indicators the F-35 loses at any the situation and this is a minus ... the United States is climbing into foreign countries to rob them, and not help them ... Let the Yanks help themselves, for a start they can bomb their Detroit, Gary, Centralia ...

[3danimal]

So they have everything in order. Most of the taxes remain in each State, self-government is very developed, a huge number of businesses (small and medium together prevail in the budget). Middle class - at least half the population. Shipyards, aircraft manufacturing - the pace of construction is serious. Fully provide themselves with food and still sell outside.
Rob? What for? Examine federal revenues. It is filled with taxes, mainly.
Does someone make airlines around the world (including ours) buy Boeings? Cars, electronics? Technologies and equipment for oil and gas? And these are all “goods” with great added value.
Plus now they have reached the first positions in hydrocarbon production.
About robbery: US companies lose a tender for oil production in Iraq.

[Sapsan136]

Everything is fine? Yes, not really ... Black cuts white, Latinos cut blacks, they all hate each other, Detroit and Gary most resemble Stalingrad in 1942, and Centralia is a movie about the apocalypse ... Is that in your order? In this case, the United States should not go into foreign countries with its own rules, even if they live in their own mess and do not impose it on others, let alone bombardments ... Most of the US population does not own housing and stalls before it has time to repay loans. .. Well, yes, only Boeing’s flying coffins are almost no longer needed by anyone ... They rob foreign countries, they live on this and do not provide for themselves .. If you are such a USA fan, go there yourself, most likely you will be very disappointed, after a year of living there ...

[3danimal]

Remind me what is the average life expectancy for them and for us? And with loans, we are not far behind, as far as I know.
Flying coffins of a Boeing ... Is it the emotions that say in you, or were you not too lazy to see the statistics of accidents and malfunctions?
So they are bought, or not? And they are expensive. Oil service: the same Saudis do not have their own production technologies.
Can you give specific examples of any significant robbery (against the background of huge incomes of the US economy) of anyone?
You see, such maxims also influenced me until I was too lazy to dig into the numbers (I got older, I guess). It does not fit. Gives conspiracy.
I prefer to take a sober view of the world, analyzing the numbers, and not Monroe to trust conspiracy theories that do not stand up to serious criticism.
About "black cut white." So we have the same thing. Take an interest in crime statistics, for example, in Moscow.
They have their own problems, but nothing critical, it seems. Even the white population is growing (in contrast to Western Europe). Detroit and Centralia are slightly different, the first has a chance to get out, IMHO.
When there are not enough arguments, they resort to the demagogic toolkit “if you like it that way, go there”. And who said what they like there? (I'd rather be in the Maldives ) Somehow I myself decide, tea is not serf.
Families (2 families) live in the USA, their reviews of trust are more than Kiselevs-TV.

[Sapsan136]

This is relative, because the Indians do not have passports there, drink too much and die in batches without special consideration ... These are not emotions, it is a fact, with the Boeing MAX in the USA, they frankly broke off, and already built cars hang on Boeing’s neck and drag it to the bottom ... In terms of Russia's debt levels, it’s far from the United States .. Well, there are no arguments, but just American propaganda ... I hope that there is a country that will bring democracy to the United States on the wings of its bombers ... You would read about the riots in Boston and other cities in the United States, the Russian Federation simply smokes on the sidelines against this background ... Well, it’s from the category - one grandmother said ... But I myself have been to the United States and there’s no paradise on Earth ... The roads in the same Anchorage are openly killed and not everywhere they even exist .... I calculated how much a US military engineer can buy meat for his salary, then multiplied this meat by its cost in the Russian Federation, it turned out 18000 rubles ...

[3danimal]

I do not know in which store you took the price of meat. In Moscow there are establishments with bread for 1000 rubles, did they choose the same Abava? Again, you can compare pork and marbled beef: both that and that - meat.

[Sapsan136]

In the most ordinary supermarket of Anchorage ... the most common meat, pork and beef pulp, the usual one and keep in mind that in Russia meat is sold in kilograms, and in the USA in Founders, this is about 400 grams ... The USA was something while the ocean protected them from a retaliatory strike, those days are gone, but the quantity is not so important now, the main quality .. For comparison, while Ukraine is trying to reproduce the old Soviet anti-ship missiles Uranus, calling it Neptune, in Russia today for the first time, at sea, from a ship, they launched hypersonic Zircon ... You need to compare roads with regions with the same climate, in the United States throughout Alaska, roads are either bad or very bad, or out of hand, or none at all ... If something has grown in the USA, then a public debt, not the number of Indians ...

[3danimal]

See population statistics.
The national debt has grown along with GDP, not exceeding it. Most (About 2/3) are domestic debt. I know that there is almost a sect “the USA will fall apart tomorrow under the weight of debts”, not seriously.
You can compare the roads in Canada.
About quality: this is how most airplanes are modern, regularly upgraded. Pilots fly the most, fuel as much as needed.
And they’ll talk about tanks: more of them: ₽

[Sapsan136]

In Canada, roads are not perfect either, they also sag in damp marshy areas and fall apart from temperature changes ... The US national debt is growing all the time, it's all that they grow ... Even Americans prefer non-American cars, here's the level of American technology ... American cars, this antediluvian bucket eating gasoline and the Yankees themselves know this, preferring foreign cars to their Chryslers and other cripples ... Data on the launch from the Zircon ship in all the news ...

[3danimal]

So their GDP is not growing? And the information from the yellow pages?
What does the car have to do with it? You have whose development processor in staff and phone?
Also, Ford Focus - a gasoline-eating bucket? See brand comparison for features.
Why all: all this news about the imminent collapse - from economic weakness. And after all, nothing is being done to grow at least at the level of Britain.
IMHO, Zircon is not RCC with scramjet engine (if you understand what I mean). Either BrahMos modernization (without hypersound), or OTR of a sea launch, with hypersound on the flight site. Provided that he is placed in UKKS.

[Sapsan136]

Good mister, you read less than the nonsense of Novodvorskikh ... The same Internet, in its modern form, is an international development, not a creation of the USA, and I have a Chinese processor and the funny thing is that it’s the same in the computer of the US president ... Industry The USA is outdated and today in the USA they do not produce anything high-quality and sensible ... The Yankees themselves do not use either Chryslers or Fords, preferring Korean and Japanese cars ... more Germans are preferred, but not the domestic auto industry ... Bramos is the Indian version of the rocket Onyx, by the way, is already obsolete in the Russian Federation, since the Russian Federation switched to Onyx-M, with better characteristics ... But the Zircon and the Dagger are in different versions ... And where does the engine and the purpose of the rocket, is it somehow not the same thing? ! I already wrote to you - If you are such a fan of the USA, leave for the USA and live there for at least a year, then we’ll talk ... I’m sure your pink glasses through which you look at the USA today will decently fade ...

[3danimal]

Here's what a strange train of thought: realism regarding economic indicators seems fanaticism to you?
Which Chinese processor do you have? Who developed it and owns patents?

[Sapsan136]

What realism? You’ll live in the USA for at least a year yourself, and at your own expense, talk with different people, travel like my friends and me, then judge the country ... The country is a dummy ... They all told us in the 90s that in the USA heaven on earth, and there a wooden rotten log hut, with faded gilding, shiny, is tempting only from afar ... The Chinese have been doing everything for a long time themselves, they are not just copying, they are optimizing for their industry and modernizing, and in the USA today they can’t even make a decent car , the Yankees themselves, as I wrote to you, prefer foreign cars, rather than the domestic auto industry ... For Americans, Chrysler and Ford, this is not a car, but a bucket of bolts

[3danimal]

My friends live there and she doesn’t think it is a dummy. Their opinion I have reason to trust more.
The standard of living is higher, a high proportion of the middle class, it is easy to open a business, people have a lot of money (offer goods and services).
Compare Focus with Solaris: where do you see a bucket of bolts? And again, in comparison with premium brands, it’s possible. Are you used to riding them?

[3danimal]

Zircon: data on the launch of something with that name. The engine is related to the purpose of the rocket and its characteristics. For example, OTP (with solid propellant rocket engines) is not used as RCC. There is no data on successful tests of the scramjet engine (which could be installed on the RCC) with us. The American version does not fit in the UKKS (despite the fact that it has an air launch and without warheads). TRD will not be able to bring the rocket to hypersound.
As for the processor: which model? (Snapdragon or Intel / AMD?)

[3danimal]

It’s called, I’m saying what’s more convenient: more tanks (ours) are a plus, there are fewer planes, but they are all better.

[3danimal]

About Zircon: we are waiting for photos and videos from the tests.
We and they have a different understanding of “hypersonic”: in their version, this is a missile with a scramjet engine, we also call OTR with this word.

[3danimal]

For someone to bring something on the bombers, you need to have a fleet of combat aircraft more than the "receiving" side.
Who will set high-tech industrial records in the modern world ?? In World War II, it was the United States (objectively) ...

[3danimal]

It makes sense to assess the general condition of the roads, rather than the individual worst sections of them and our good / best. You can also compare the total length of the roads ...

[3danimal]

I don’t know where you got the story of the massively dying Indians (from which closet?).
From 2000 to 2010, the number of Indians grew by 18%

[3danimal]

Here, in a series of comments, Voyaka mentioned that extreme maneuvers are possible only at low speeds (in the region of 0,4-0,5M), more - the glider and the pilot will not survive. Accordingly, deflected nozzles give superiority only in a limited version of air combat, which the opponent, knowing about these qualities, will avoid (in order to prevent him from taking advantage).

[Fishery]

yeah) and the Negro came for a piece of land and two slaves)))))))))))

[3danimal]

Look for the video on YouTube: in the 14th year, some "militia" bravely told how they fought with the Americans on the "Abrams". After they stopped - apparently, changing the supplier of psychostimulants.

[Sapsan136]

It was about testing a tank in the Donbass (Black Panther), this is a prototype of a new South Korean tank, and it is derived from Abrams ...

[3danimal]

Sources of test information and proofs? In addition, in those videos, they talked about more than one tank, almost about "we scared them, the Americans are cowardly, they fled, abandoning the equipment."

[Sapsan136]

But they don’t test each tank at a time ... They always send a batch of vehicles to front-line tests ... See T-1 tests for example .. 43 of them were produced, all were run-in at the front .. One machine can die accidentally, its use does not allow objective assessment of the project ...

[3danimal]

You did not answer according to sources.

[Andrzej k]

silent and about replacing walkie-talkies

The article states:

This modification involves MBT equipment third-generation night-vision devices, 1K13 night sight, which allows the use of the Combat ATGM, the B-84-1 powerplant, and a dynamic protection complex of the type T-72UA, aselsan radio station,

The chart "T-72AMT" shows this radio

Although in reality, compared to the T-72B3, this is a very poor modernization.

[TermNachTer]

They set up Turkish districts, while the Institute of Radio Communication and the Radiopribor plant in Zaporozhye quietly died. The warriors complained that the Turkish station was being "stuck" into the on-board network without thinking about coordination. As a result, the fuses burn, then the station is cut off.

[bessmertniy]

Something bureaucrats in Ukraine have gone wrong. Previously, they would sell these advanced tanks on the move for export, but now they are driving the army.

[Graz]

Well, apparently VSU pays more for obsolete samples than African countries

[bessmertniy]

I also survived. Ukrainian tanks of the country of Africa and do not take for nothing !?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Graz

obsolete samples

I would not want to be the Abrams mechanic in a real battle with the "obsolete" T-72 ...

[aszzz888]

modernized according to the project “T-72 AMT»

Add "W" and it will fly.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: aszzz888

Add "W" and it will fly

Without a couple of tens of kg of explosives will not work. ((

[aszzz888]

Vladimir_2U (Vladimir) Today, 08:03
+2
Quote: aszzz888
Add "W" and it will fly
Without a couple of tens of kg of explosives will not work. ((

That is, шtrotilla him and palm off ...

[75 Sergey]

64 matches are over, 72 are shoved.
Something is not bent or is it three lard from Gazprom?

[Karaul73]

Let's have more! Money is running out.

[V.I.P.]

They have an interesting modernization of the BRDM -2 Mongoose. New side doors, a back door - it is more convenient to make landing and disembarkation. Front mounted armor, engine and Iveco gearbox. Thermal imager and side view cameras. Comfortable than regular BRDM.

[Professor]

The inscription under the pedestal at the plant in Ukraine is noteworthy.

MONUMENT
INSTALLED IN HONOR
VICTORY
SOVIET PEOPLE
IN THE GREAT DOMESTIC
WAR
1941-1945 yyy

[V.I.P.]

I wonder why they did not put DZ Duplet and KAZ Zaslon-L on them. The Turks purchased KAZ Zaslon-L for their Altai. Well for the APU do not put anything?

[Ros 56]

They will be enough for a short time in case of a mess, so let them rejoice for now.

[Camille]

It’s not clear why it is necessary to modernize the BRDM and BTR -70 Ki? At least upgrade to the level of ABVGD .... the essence will remain the same :.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Camille

It’s not clear why it is necessary to modernize the BRDM and BTR -70 Ki? At least upgrade to the level of ABVGD .... the essence will remain the same :.

So with new problems. There, the HCBM at the LKMZ is nodding, those are back, and things are still there. Problems with tempering and welders, as a result: defects in the hulls and lack of BTR-4 (more precisely 12 BTR-4 of the 45 ordered cars, were transferred and should be transferred by the end of 2020, but given that the supply is under the state contract from 2016, then ....)
It's not bad, this pace is good.

[Zabvo]

Quote: Steffan

I mean t72b3 probably.

Yes, they meant T-72 b3, also T-72b. The fact that our tanks are understandable, but no one will prove it. Now "sectarians" will swoop down to mold cons

[Zabvo]

In fact, I drank dough from the normal tank: GPS, a commander’s walkie-talkie and a machine gun with control from the tank (which we only have the T-90), the rest is 91g.

[orionvitt]

These examples indicate the beginning of a gradual rearmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to more recent models of equipment.

Well, which ones are fresh? Everything is old Soviet, only slightly "tinted". What Ukrainian factories can modernize after 30 years of decline. Especially lately. All the loud screams about some kind of economic growth, there was always nothing more than a sale of the Soviet legacy.

[Prisoner]

Painted like not bad.

[Reserve buildbat]

I watched the video and laughed. "Voice-over" hardly speaks "Mov", sometimes straying into his native Russian. And the "new technique" is just a laugh. On the "new" BRDM video cameras, which are installed at our entrances One thing is interesting - the declared fuel consumption of 19l per 100km for the BRDM.

[Pavel57]

The most interesting thing is the purchase of tanks somewhere in Europe.