“Finish with a file”: some details of problems with the BTR-4E


This week has been marked by high-profile scandals that erupted in the defense department of the “uncountable”. They are associated with one of the most painful moments for the army there - the supply of military equipment and components. Everyone knows the expression: “to whom the war is, and to whom the mother is native” and asks to be elected as the official motto for the large and extremely gluttonous caste of the Ukrainian military suppliers and logisticians.


The first, extremely unpleasant situation is connected with an attempt by the management of the Ukroboronprom concern to reanimate the contract for supply of the APU 2016 BTR-45E combat vehicles concluded in 4 pursuant to the relevant resolution of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers. During the time that has elapsed since that moment, as part of the implementation of this agreement, not a single piece of equipment was received by the troops. All the time, something did not add up, while the allied players involved in the production process nodded amicably at one another according to the good old tradition: they say, "he has the wrong system of grenades." Evil tongues said that the reason that made the fulfillment of government directives impossible a priori was the banal absence in Ukraine of grade 71 steel, from which armored personnel carriers were to be made. True, an attempt was made to replace it with a kind of “steel of foreign manufacture”, but in the end it turned out to be hell with a buckle on its side. Blinded from a "substitute" of the body were not suitable.

It got to the point that last year the newly elected president had to intervene in the process and the case, it seems, moved off the ground. And finally (the five-year period has not passed!) Kharkov Design Bureau of Engineering named after Morozova, where fighting vehicles, in fact, should be assembled, received the long-awaited first three corps for the manufacture of a new batch of BTR-4E. What was the disappointment of his employees when they became convinced that literally on all cases the traces of factory defects are visible not just with the naked eye, but, as they say, a mile away! Poor welding, clumsy fastening of parts ... In a word, "until ready to finish with a file." However, this would have been half the trouble if numerous cracks had not been immediately discovered on brand-new buildings.

It is worth noting that such a defect is the "trademark" of the manufacturer of the buildings - Lozovsky Forge-Mechanical Plant. According to available data, 30 BTR-4 cracks delivered to customers in 2011-2012 had cracks. In the period from 2014 to 2018, out of 127 BTR-4Es in operation, 53 had problems with the hulls, that is, almost half. As a rule, the main drawback was just cracks in the armor, often multiple. All this, however, did not in the least prevent or prevent LKMZ from receiving generous defense orders. Perhaps this scandal could have been hushed up somehow, but it didn’t work out - the Defense Express portal “unrolled” it all over Ukraine, which published, in addition, photographs of “armored corps” except for scrap metal. Ultimately, the management of Ukroboronprom gave exactly 24 hours to both enterprises to “clarify the relationship” and verify the reliability of the “signal”. Also, the commission of the Ministry of Defense of the Nezalezhnoy threatens to conduct a total quality check of the products of the Lozovsky plant. The new armored personnel carriers in the troops will wait again, and it is not known how many ...

The second, even more egregious, incident is again related to the supply of components for military equipment. Only this time - for the Air Force. During 2017-2019, a certain businessman from Chernihiv concluded two agreements with the Ukrainian defense department, according to which he was obliged to supply “devices for helicopter protection systems” in an amount exceeding 100 million hryvnias. It is not known for certain what he installed there and how these “devices” can contribute to the survivability of rotorcraft, but the Security Service of Ukraine, today conducting numerous searches at the rear, claims that the cost of the equipment was several times overstated. According to them, the senior officials of the Ministry of Defense, including one of the deputy ministers, participated in the criminal scheme. The most remarkable thing is that 32 million hryvnias rogues in uniform and without them have already managed to receive, cash and appropriate.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 24 January 2020 14: 48 New
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    Files also loved!
  2. rocket757 24 January 2020 14: 54 New
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    Everything in the matter, everything in the subject ... panam "chocolate wafers", the rest is so delicious ... and this is not a pretzel, believe me.
  3. rotkiv04 24 January 2020 14: 59 New
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    404-country of thieves and idiots
    1. Berber 24 January 2020 15: 18 New
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      "Who are you laughing at? - You are laughing at yourself. (Examiner). In Russia, the same problems as Ukraine. If we didn’t have strong power, it would be even worse. And so, Ukraine is a parody of Russia. Therefore, with" thieves "I agree, but with the" idiots "not really.
      1. Pavel57 24 January 2020 16: 52 New
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        Russia has left the scenario of Ukraine, but there are many who want to return it there.
        1. Berber 24 January 2020 16: 56 New
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          Thank God! I do not want to return to the 90s. When there was enough money, only to eat. Embittered people and dullness. What is called, "as you recall, you will tremble."
          1. sailor roman 24 January 2020 18: 44 New
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            Today, real social racism is already blooming and stinking in Russia, the process of destroying industry and reducing the population continues. The split has not yet taken on an irreversible character, but we are already balancing at the point of no return. The Russian so-called “elite” has already firmly recognized itself as a separate privileged people and is trying to “dust” its brains with the appearance of a change of government, then its lowest level - officials, are only trying to understand why the great country does not value them “for a penny”.
      2. bars1 24 January 2020 17: 18 New
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        Berber, that's why we laugh because it is a parody. Having declared that she is not Russia, she is trying in every possible way to distance herself from Russia, curses everything connected with Russia, but she wants to be cooler than Russia. He wants to build ANTI-RUSSIA. But it turns out just a parody of our country. And rightly so!
      3. Hermit21 25 January 2020 08: 20 New
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        Destroyed industry, agriculture, health, education, infrastructure? Gold reserves in 15,2% of GDP? A national debt of 62,7% of GDP? A half-dead economy living on IMF draconian handouts? Which are the same?
        1. Berber 28 January 2020 08: 52 New
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          The problems are not in numbers. Here, of course, everything is cardinal. It is not known how it would have turned if it had not been for GDP that came to power. Skakuasov and we have enough. "Destroy everything to the ground" - an idea that is still alive. These “fruit” revolutions were conceived for a long time, only in Russia it didn’t go according to the “plan”. Does the name of the Yabloko party tell you anything? The party that was supposed to completely ruin Russia.
    2. DRM
      DRM 26 January 2020 00: 16 New
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      Quote: rotkiv04
      404-country of thieves and idiots

      Look at yourself...
  4. nm76 24 January 2020 15: 16 New
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    Against this background, the failure of the state defense order on the BTR-4E and a certain egregious fact about deliveries to the Ukrainian Air Force - the delay in adopting our Boomerangs and SU-57 should somehow be easier to understand.
    Well, like, look there at the "brothers from 404 country" in general, the cranes are full, do I understand the message of this article correctly?
    1. Kuroneko 24 January 2020 15: 27 New
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      Quote: nm76
      the delay in adopting our Boomerangs and SU-57 should somehow be easier to understand.

      "Kurganets" also has not been canceled. And not Su-57, but Su-57. Dry. This is not an abbreviation, but only an abbreviation for the name of the founder of the design bureau.
      Quote: nm76
      Well, like, look there at the "brothers from 404 country" in general, the cranes are full, do I understand the message of this article correctly?

      In general, I personally was rather surprised that the Lozovsky plant was able to give out at least several buildings, albeit substandard. So here Nenki’s defense is more of a plus, though very small and flimsy.
      1. nm76 24 January 2020 15: 57 New
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        Please forgive me, when dialing from the phone, I made such an unforgivable mistake, I wrote SU, not Su.
  5. Free wind 24 January 2020 15: 32 New
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    They make steel 71 in Ukraine, and even export it to Russia, we use homemade knives for bulldozers and graders on our knives. But I would be ashamed to call this steel armor, it is very fragile, bulldozers were left without knives on heavy rocky soil, they broke to pieces like glass, but it was cheaper.
  6. Moon 24 January 2020 15: 40 New
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    Yes, the usual lobbying of the interests of the owners of Lozova has already crossed all borders.
    Kharkovites want to take their production of armor. Why bought the machines. And the order stubbornly give Lozova.
    As for the brand 71. This is not the absence of it as such. And the disadvantage of its production in Mariupol. An order of 0.5% of volume is disadvantageous (an example of Kolomna and marine engines). Really easier to buy abroad than to produce unprofitable.
    They do it right in Ukraine. They raised a scandal, they demanded to sort it out. Without scandals, nothing is done there at all.
    There is the usual lobbying of one’s interests.
    And Lozova’s total marriage has already become branded. And it impedes both orders and production and export.
  7. knn54 24 January 2020 15: 47 New
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    Armored personnel carriers (new!) Have not yet entered the army, but are already "cracking".
  8. SASHA OLD 24 January 2020 16: 02 New
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    According to them, high-ranking officials of the Ministry of Defense, up to one of the deputy ministers, participated in the criminal scheme

    Yes, the whole leadership of Ukraine is one complete criminal scheme
    1. Evil543 24 January 2020 16: 11 New
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      I remember a song ...
      Banderstad, Banderstad hryvnia very much like to cut ...
  9. Paul Siebert 24 January 2020 16: 17 New
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    "While fools live in the world -
    We began to be deceived by hand! "
    The motto of Kota Basilio and Alisa Lisa fits perfectly into the modern political and economic life of Ukraine.
    Here, every prokhindey fancies himself Seneca ...
    The image of the cunning Rogul in dimensionless bloomers was elevated to the state cult ...
    Fit posters to draw:
    "And you having thrown skilful skills today?"
    But wars with such psychology cannot be won ...
  10. Strashila 24 January 2020 16: 23 New
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    The fact that the brand steel 71 in Ukraine is understood as some kind of former Soviet, with a high degree of probability, an analogue of the armor 7, which did not require the release of welds.
    1. AK1972 25 January 2020 10: 28 New
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      You are absolutely right, Scarecrow. Steel 71 is susceptible to cold (hardening) cracks that can occur within 48 hours after welding even without applying a load. A vacation is required. LKZM most likely does not have tempering furnaces of the required size, or they saved on heat treatment. And the armor plate 7 was perfectly cooked under the flux of E.O. Paton during the war, in Nizhny Tagil.
      1. Strashila 25 January 2020 10: 30 New
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        Stoves are not necessary, and ultrasound is also possible.
        1. AK1972 25 January 2020 12: 40 New
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          No you can not. Ultrasound can only remove internal stresses. Structural transformations will not occur and the increased hardness in the heat-affected zone will not go anywhere. Only vacation.
  11. monster 24 January 2020 16: 54 New
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    Quiet Ukrainian night
    Mild bandera smell sharp.
    The Jew was again replaced by a Jew.
    Was Poroshenko, became Zelensky.
    Khokhlu has long been in his country
    A donut got a hole.
    Yes, plus a civil war.
    And on the foot is a cold tag.
    Where to rush Khokhl
    Who would cry in a vest
    Quiet Ukrainian night
    But fat must be hidden.
  12. monster 24 January 2020 17: 02 New
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    They screamed Sugs? Did you drink a puppy, did you die? And all the same, hulls? The wheel of genotby, Bandera, knows no mercy! Such is your earthly vale, scum Svidomo’s, to suffer and pay for the betrayal of Russians, Russia. How many times you bastards, Russia pulled out from under the hammers, wiped off the shit, and put on its feet! How many times !!! But now amba, that's enough. And 8 areas still have to take away, the legacy of the "damned scoop" so to speak.
    1. bars1 24 January 2020 17: 23 New
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      monsterYou can’t say better!
  13. Eug
    Eug 24 January 2020 17: 33 New
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    I suspect that LKMZ was "saved" on energy and did not comply with the technological process.
  14. eaglet 24 January 2020 22: 35 New
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    Quote: Eug
    I suspect that LKMZ was "saved" on energy and did not comply with the technological process.

    And who said that at this enterprise there were still people who were able to comply with the technological process, i.e. just highly qualified workers ... judging by our BLINDS, even we have problems with this ...
    1. beeper 26 January 2020 08: 42 New
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      In Ukraine, in the post-maid "Ukraine", now everywhere the very "effective privatizers" themselves do not have a clue about technological processes and how production is arranged, and that it is necessary to pay well for skilled labor, and not "go around the ears" like "there is no money, but you hold on, "for months without giving a salary to your workers, with the full connivance of the Bandera-Nazi" maydanovlasty "!

      And, in some places still remaining, highly skilled workers there is absolutely no sense in suggesting something to the stupid thieving "management (so that, in a masochistic way, to help the ungrateful exploiters and, in general, the antisocial anti-people" apartheid "regime, which accelerates us into hopeless poverty and in a coffin ?!) "!
      As Skipper-penguin from the cartoon "Madagascar" said in a similar case: "We don’t say anything, just smile and wave, let them think that everything is in order!" wassat

      For example, in our factory, the current post-Soviet "bosses (acquaintances and relatives of the" owner ") have no idea about quenching cracks, or about the mandatory heat treatment of castings from high-strength alloys, .... and much more earlier (under the Union)even ordinary workers (welders, locksmiths, foundry workers, ...) knew, not to mention ITR-workshop technologists, craftsmen and, "grown up" in production, shop managers and chief production specialists in the "office (factory management)"!

      Now, after the end of the Ukrainian “higher education (universities)”, if technical specialists come to production, then their level of education is somewhere at the level of sophomores of the Soviet technical school, and even graduates of our Prizavodsky vocational school (vocational schools). request
  15. AK1972 25 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    Blazed from the "substitute" of the body were not suitable.
    “Your position, Mr. Master Sergeant?”
    “I am the commander of the tank corps.”
    - How???
    - They drank the gun, drank the engine, BC drank it, drunk the geese, one case remained.