The Minister of Defense of Ukraine opposed the complete separation of forces in the Donbass

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The Minister of Defense of Ukraine opposed the complete separation of forces in the Donbass

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is categorically against the separation of forces along the entire line of demarcation, as this contradicts the Minsk agreements. This statement was made by Ukrainian Minister of Defense Andrei Zagorodniuk.

According to the head of the Ukrainian military department, the withdrawal of forces along the line of demarcation can take years and lead to the freezing of the armed conflict, which Kiev does not need.



We are opposed to breeding along the entire line, because such a path is erroneous, and one that contradicts the very essence of the Minsk agreements. Who should they get divorced if they need to disarm? And how can you breed for years? It would turn into a frozen conflict. And we categorically do not fit recognition of the frozen conflict. Some politicians have said and are now saying: let's admit this is a frozen conflict. This is the wrong way, because it actually fixes an agreement with the situation that is now (...)

- he said.

Zagorodniuk emphasized that in order to end the conflict in the Donbass it is necessary that "separatists fulfill the Minsk agreements and leave."

This war can be ended - they just have to fulfill the Minsk agreements and leave. (...) But we had no conflicts in eastern Ukraine until 2014, no persecution on ethnic or linguistic grounds. This is a conflict that was created in 2014 absolutely artificially. As it was created, so it can be completed. If the Minsk agreements are complied with, then in full breeding along the entire line there is no sense

- he added.

At the same time, Zagorodniuk for some reason forgot to add that under the Minsk agreements, Kiev is obliged to grant LDNR a special status, recognize the elections held there and agree to an amnesty. Yes, and the very separation of forces along the entire front line is also a prerequisite for these agreements.
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  1. Thrall Rank
    Thrall
    +24
    22 January 2020 09: 51
    Which country, such and ministers ...
    1. Andrey Chistyakov Rank
      Andrey Chistyakov
      +8
      22 January 2020 09: 55
      Quote: Thrall
      Which country, such and ministers ...

      "There are miracles
      There the goblin wanders "(A.S. Pushkin)
      1. Hunter 2 Rank
        Hunter 2
        +27
        22 January 2020 10: 00
        It is simply amazing how in the ELEVEN clauses of the Minsk Agreement - the Non-Brothers regularly find “Fresh” definitions! belay
        Are they reading diagonally?
        1. Andrey Chistyakov Rank
          Andrey Chistyakov
          +4
          22 January 2020 10: 02
          Quote: Hunter 2
          It is simply amazing how in the ELEVEN clauses of the Minsk Agreement - the Non-Brothers regularly find “Fresh” definitions! belay

          This is the breed. Well, not like everyone else. "Exceptional" in one word.
        2. tihonmarine Rank
          tihonmarine
          0
          22 January 2020 10: 47
          Quote: Hunter 2
          It is simply amazing how in the ELEVEN clauses of the Minsk Agreement - the Non-Brothers regularly find “Fresh” definitions!
          Are they reading diagonally?

          And why read when you need to make money. The war is on, money is dripping, there is no war, money is not dripping.
        3. Zoldat_A Rank
          Zoldat_A
          +5
          22 January 2020 10: 51
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Are they reading diagonally?

          On the back of the sheet. It’s empty - you want to read it ... wink
        4. novel66 Rank
          novel66
          +6
          22 January 2020 10: 59
          they read them like that!
        5. Karabin Rank
          Karabin
          +6
          22 January 2020 15: 04
          Quote: Hunter 2
          It is simply amazing how in the ELEVEN clauses of the Minsk Agreement - the Non-Brothers regularly find “Fresh” definitions!

          Why be surprised? Non-brothers regularly find "fresh" definitions, the other side regularly sits down at the negotiating table again. And the one for which "There is no alternative to the Minsk agreements" and "We are not a party to the conflict" are regularly sanctioned.
      2. bessmertniy Rank
        bessmertniy
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        22 January 2020 10: 03
        It seems that the Ukrainian minister is simply incompetent and does not know his responsibilities for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. negative
        1. Andrey Chistyakov Rank
          Andrey Chistyakov
          +7
          22 January 2020 10: 04
          Quote: bessmertniy
          It seems that the Ukrainian minister is simply incompetent and does not know his responsibilities for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. negative

          Are there any competent ones?
          1. tihonmarine Rank
            tihonmarine
            0
            22 January 2020 10: 48
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            Are there any competent ones?

            Of course there is, they know how to "cut the loot".
            1. cost Rank
              cost
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              22 January 2020 11: 43
              The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine categorically opposes the separation of forces along the entire demarcation line, since this contradicts the Minsk agreements

              whistles like Trotsky. According to the Minsk agreements, the separation of forces along the entire front line is a prerequisite for these agreements.
    2. Alex Nevs Rank
      Alex Nevs
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      22 January 2020 12: 11
      A la MinUkrSovBezSovkhoz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoKlKx-3FcA
    3. Karabin Rank
      Karabin
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      22 January 2020 14: 58
      Quote: Thrall
      Which country, such and ministers ...

      Well, why not remember Medvedev, Serdyukov and Mutko wink
    4. venik Rank
      venik
      0
      22 January 2020 18: 06
      Quote: Thrall
      Which country, such and ministers ...

      =======
      Well, as usual .... The descendants of "ancient ukrov", as usual, trying to be cunning .... popee EVERYONE !!! Like: "Let them disarm there .... And then we will go in and arrange for them a FULL" CLEANING UP "......
      AHA !!! Uh-uh-uh-uh-s !!!!! They will only "put on slippers" and run to surrender .... At the mercy of the "winner" .....
      It looks like there ALL management has HUGE problems with the "head" (well, or whatever they have instead of "this") .......
  2. bober1982 Rank
    bober1982
    0
    22 January 2020 10: 02
    How can such people with such a "track record" be appointed as defense ministers? Riddle.
    1. Thrall Rank
      Thrall
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      22 January 2020 10: 11
      Quote: bober1982
      How can such people with such a "track record" be appointed as defense ministers?

      I agree. He didn’t go through the 95th quarter laughing
      1. bober1982 Rank
        bober1982
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        22 January 2020 10: 18
        Quote: Thrall
        I agree. He e went through the 95th quarter

        Here, apparently, we need to look more broadly - in European countries, such appointments of defense ministers (inadequate) are necessarily compulsory on the part of the Americans, and the pressure is serious, this is a kind of NATO standard. The most curious thing is that the Americans themselves prefer to appoint professionals to such positions, but for Europe - without fail, such "cadres".
        1. tihonmarine Rank
          tihonmarine
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          22 January 2020 10: 49
          Quote: bober1982
          but for Europe - without fail, such "cadres".

          These are easier to manage.
    2. Baloo Rank
      Baloo
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      22 January 2020 10: 32
      Quote: bober1982
      How can such people with such a "track record" be appointed as defense ministers? Riddle.

      The answer: in the building of the SBU, one and a half thousand representatives of the FSA special services. There is someone to manage Bandera, there is.
      1. mikstepanenko Rank
        mikstepanenko
        +2
        22 January 2020 13: 41
        The answer: in the building of the SBU, one and a half thousand representatives of the FSA special services. There is someone to manage Bandera, there is.
        Unbend a little, fifteen hundred people in the entire building of the SBU will not fit. There are "only" two hundred of them, occupy one floor, and fully control all personnel appointments and some operations.
        1. Baloo Rank
          Baloo
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          22 January 2020 14: 51
          Quote: mikstepanenko
          The answer: in the building of the SBU, one and a half thousand representatives of the FSA special services. There is someone to manage Bandera, there is.
          Unbend a little, fifteen hundred people in the entire building of the SBU will not fit. There are "only" two hundred of them, occupy one floor, and fully control all personnel appointments and some operations.

          they don’t have to all sit in one place. But in general, the way it is. America is with us, America will help us, does this not remind you of anything?
  3. askort154 Rank
    askort154
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    22 January 2020 10: 08
    But in eastern Ukraine we had no conflicts until 2014, no persecution on ethnic or linguistic grounds. This is a conflict that was created in 2014 absolutely artificially.(Zagorodniuk)

    These are the "hand-driving" figures in Zelensky's team. While the people in the "95th quarter" were amused, they did not notice that the conflict began precisely because of the prohibition of the Russian language, in the most Russian-speaking region of Ukraine. And what is written in the Minsk agreements,
    they didn’t even read it. They say that the deputies are trembling gladly, who have not seen this agreement in their eyes.
    1. Air force Rank
      Air force
      +6
      22 January 2020 10: 52
      Unfortunately, they all perfectly noticed, understood and understand and know, and when they made people laugh, they also knew everything, they just don't care about these people, it is impossible in the days of universal access to information not to know the elementary truth, this is not some kind of conspiracy truth about secret societies, this is a civil war in the neighboring area, there is a bunch of video evidence and this is all checked at once, this also concerns ordinary people, who wants to know the truth, it is possible for grandmothers to use a "zombie box" to powder their brains, or who does not have access to the Internet, but the rest either do not want to know the truth, or it is profitable for them not to know the truth. As for all these Ukrainian officials, first of all, they say what they were told to say, their initiative is punishable. And secondly, where will they get this burst of "atoshniks" who return from the front? All the factories have ruined them, there is nowhere to employ them, the more they are entitled to benefits, land, housing, discounts on communal services and other buns, and how many convicts they let go to the atom, this will all return to the streets of Kiev and other cities, but they need it, therefore they do not need an end to the conflict, especially since it is a profitable business for hucksters of all stripes, from deputies to volunteers.
  4. rocket757 Rank
    rocket757
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    22 January 2020 10: 13
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is categorically against the separation of forces along the entire line of demarcation, as this contradicts the Minsk agreements. This statement was made by Ukrainian Minister of Defense Andrei Zagorodniuk.

    Every pr ... interprets the arrangement as he wants. Nothing new.
  5. Igor Borisov_2 Rank
    Igor Borisov_2
    +7
    22 January 2020 10: 16
    This war can be ended - they just have to fulfill the Minsk agreements and leave. (...)

    I wonder where to go if they live there ???
  6. Egoza Rank
    Egoza
    +3
    22 January 2020 10: 19
    and what? The minister is "right"! scatter the troops now, and peace will be declared. And who will pay for combat? And what about business trips? And all sorts of "receipts" from partners to sell? Will the minister really live on one salary? The Minsk agreements do not say "everyone should withdraw to the border of the region and no longer climb" - that means we will support the agreements. And if they write something like that .... well, maybe by that time there will be another minister.
  7. tihonmarine Rank
    tihonmarine
    +1
    22 January 2020 10: 29
    Andryusha Zagorodnyuk has more than 16 years of experience in leadership positions in the mining and manufacturing industries, and had nothing to do with the army. Previously, the "neighbors" had silly defense ministers, but at least they understood what an army was. But the mine and the army, somehow, are not compatible.
    1. Baloo Rank
      Baloo
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      22 January 2020 10: 34
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But the mine and the army, as it is not compatible.

      Do you think the underground passage will dig in the Donbass?
      1. tihonmarine Rank
        tihonmarine
        -1
        22 January 2020 10: 56
        Quote: Balu
        Do you think the underground passage will dig in the Donbass?

        If they dug up the Black Sea, why not dig an underground passage.
  8. eagle owl Rank
    eagle owl
    +1
    22 January 2020 10: 33
    , is this what - "with whom to divorce. Since THEY have to disarm"? !!!!
    Twayumat. Yes, even the piglet bitten in the head by a trident will not throw a trunk from such a baida - you must. not understood? I don't owe anything. Not in the paragraph that the requirement is fake. And in that. what "we owe." And we don't have to do anything. "And what about us?"
    Carpathians must be sanitized
  9. askort154 Rank
    askort154
    +9
    22 January 2020 10: 42
    He looked "Vika with one eye." Zagorodnyuk - 1977 birth.
    He considers himself to be the third generation of his family of oil workers ("golden youth")
    Graduated from Oxford and the Kiev Institute - mining industrialist. Naturally, he did not serve in the army. He was engaged in the supply of drilling equipment. In the civil war he took part in the volunteer movement. Supplied to the army "stove stoves" and ambulances, converted from collectors. Served as a representative on the army reform team and was appointed Minister of Defense in August 2019. This is the kind of "Bonaparte" who now rules the "great army of Ukraine". crying
    1. tihonmarine Rank
      tihonmarine
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      22 January 2020 10: 58
      Quote: askort154
      He was a representative in the army reform team.

      I imagine that such reformers from the army created.
    2. tihonmarine Rank
      tihonmarine
      -2
      22 January 2020 11: 00
      Quote: askort154
      This is the kind of "Bonaparte" who now rules the "great army of Ukraine".

      We know one "Bonopart", but at least he was a corporal.
  10. Sergey Averchenkov Rank
    Sergey Averchenkov
    +1
    22 January 2020 12: 59
    "But we had no conflicts in eastern Ukraine until 2014, no persecution on ethnic or linguistic grounds. This is a conflict that was created in 2014 absolutely artificially."
    All Ukraine was created artificially.
    1. mikstepanenko Rank
      mikstepanenko
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      22 January 2020 13: 35
      "But we had no conflicts in eastern Ukraine until 2014, no persecution on ethnic or linguistic grounds. This is a conflict that was created in 2014 absolutely artificially."
      But he told the truth, the conflict was created artificially. Just forgot to clarify KEM. The government that came to power as a result of a coup drafted, organized, and paid for by foreign special services.
  11. mikstepanenko Rank
    mikstepanenko
    +5
    22 January 2020 13: 31
    Ukraine is not lucky for the ministers of defense. Navy lieutenant (Tetyukh), who was promoted to admiral mainly in the press service in the United States. Police lieutenant, it is not clear for what merits he hastily became an army general. This one (Geletey) was famous for inventing a new kind of troops - the armored police, and for the freedom to use atomic weapons (our valiant troops left the Lugansk Airport only after the Russian troops dropped two atomic bombs on it). This is not a joke, this is a real statement by the Minister of Defense. The next Minister of Defense made a landmark discovery in geography, the direction of the north-south. Also not a joke, we will advance in the direction of the north-south of the Lugansk region. You are not surprised at anything.
    1. avdkrd Rank
      avdkrd
      +1
      22 January 2020 15: 45
      I didn’t know such details, they really made fun. I sincerely wish the non-brotherly state such a talented governor. This is even more enchanting Klitschko. I really approve.
      1. mikstepanenko Rank
        mikstepanenko
        +3
        22 January 2020 18: 41
        I didn’t know such details, they really made fun. I sincerely wish the non-brotherly state such a talented governor. This is even more enchanting Klitschko. I really approve.
        And why is the governor? Because there are no others. In 2014, I remember there were reports of mass layoffs. I remember that several hundred senior officers were fired at one time for refusing to participate in "repelling Russian aggression." Hence the sudden careers from militia lieutenants to army generals.
  12. iouris Rank
    iouris
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    22 January 2020 13: 35
    Digestive disease (thumped the day before and did not shave)? Violates the uniform (no headgear) and drill charter (hand in pocket). Ugh.
    1. Reserve buildbat Rank
      Reserve buildbat
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      23 January 2020 16: 49
      You think, IT aware of such requirements? laughing
  13. Vasyan1971 Rank
    Vasyan1971
    +1
    22 January 2020 13: 47
    At the same time, Zagorodniuk somehow forgot ...

    No wonder, since the memory is selective ...
  14. Old Michael Rank
    Old Michael
    +1
    22 January 2020 14: 08
    Some politicians have spoken and are now spoken

    "Ukrainian politician" is from the company of British scientists, Canadian intelligence officers and Estonian rapid reaction forces.
  15. Looking for
    Looking for
    0
    22 January 2020 14: 59
    Quote: Thrall
    Which country, such and ministers ...

    circus country. ministers-clowns.
  16. avdkrd Rank
    avdkrd
    +1
    22 January 2020 15: 39
    Where does the outskirts find so many mentally defective heroes?
    The second question - why do we all have taxi employees?
  17. Madness Rank
    Madness
    +3
    22 January 2020 16: 22
    This war is beneficial for Kiev, they pay well for it, especially when the Slavs kill the Slavs to the joy of the West.
  18. Dzafdet Rank
    Dzafdet
    +1
    22 January 2020 16: 43
    I wonder what kind of vodka he drinks? So picky! Ukrainians just need to leave the republics and the conflict will be settled. To go wild for all death and destruction ...
  19. sgr291158 Rank
    sgr291158
    0
    23 January 2020 08: 20
    Yes, when you all have their heads torn off.
  20. Victor March 47 Rank
    Victor March 47
    -2
    23 January 2020 16: 33
    This boob cannot read. There is no mention of any periods in years. It says that troop deployment MUST be done. Dot.
    If they have a deficit in competent defense ministers, we can offer to extend the power of Comrade Shoigu .... We will help, because the load will increase.
  21. Victor March 47 Rank
    Victor March 47
    -2
    23 January 2020 16: 35
    Quote: Seeker
    Quote: Thrall
    Which country, such and ministers ...

    circus country. ministers-clowns.

    ... the president is a jerk.
  22. Reserve buildbat Rank
    Reserve buildbat
    +1
    23 January 2020 16: 42
    "This is a conflict that was completely artificial in 2014." - Here I completely agree with this clown. The conflict was the result of the coming to power in Kiev of a gang of mattress puppets who began to try to destroy the Russians in the primordially Russian lands. And while such victims of genetic experiments are sitting in Kiev, the end of the conflict is not even visible on the horizon.