We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war


Have you ever thought about why in the world talk about the transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan does not cease? Why in disputes with foreigners we are constantly told deliberate stupidity about Chinese Siberia and the Far East? Why do neighboring states from time to time suddenly recall some treaties of centuries ago and start a campaign to return the territories allegedly belonging to them under these treaties?


Moreover, no references to other contracts or any other documents are taken into account. “It was signed at gunpoint” (illegal government, puppets of Bolshevik Russia, Soviet proteges). Such an explanation is enough for the people of a neighboring state to live in the belief that Russia (the USSR) is an invader who has already offended its neighbors on the planet for the second millennium.

Even such an asset, which is simply unattainable for other countries, the Northern Sea Route, already quite seriously in some incomprehensible way in the minds of Western politicians, has suddenly become a “world heritage”. And Siberia, with its riches, is already considered as a world pantry of various riches. So what's up?

Now I will say an seditious thought for many. But all these conversations, all these ideas, all these plans are quite realizable. Moreover, in a fairly short historical period these plans, if Russia continues to pursue the same policy as today, will come true. We will give the Kuril Islands and even part of Sakhalin, we will give Siberia. True, regarding the Crimea, Kaliningrad and other European “disputed territories”, such an assumption is doubtful.

I foresee the indignant exclamations of the cheers-patriots that “not an inch of their native land”, “the author has sold out,” “we will stand up for defense with our breasts” and so on. Well, with the slogans we always had a complete order. And with readiness to defend the homeland, too. Even young people, who, in our “veteran” opinion, are no good, have already proved many times that they know how to fight and perform feats no worse than fathers and grandfathers.

Let me remind you the history of the Kuril Islands. By the strokes. So, in the years 1635-37, the Japanese learn about the existence of these islands, inhabited by the Ainu tribes. In 1643, a Dutch expedition led by Martin de Vries explores the islands. Russians, expedition V.V. Atlasova came to the islands in 1697. After 90 years, in 1786, Empress Catherine II, by her decree, included the Kuril archipelago in the Russian Empire.

Trumps in the hands of the Japanese, we gave in 1855. It was then, according to the Shimodsk treatise (February 7, 1855), Japan received Iturup and Kunashir, the islands of the Lesser Kuril Ridge, and Sakhalin, however, as undivided territory. In 1875, we signed a new agreement (St. Petersburg Territory Exchange Agreement), according to which Sakhalin became Russian, and all the Kuril Islands Japanese.

In 1905, after the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, we again surrendered the southern part of Sakhalin and the islands of Japan (Portsmouth Peace Treaty on September 5, 1905, territories south of the 50th parallel). Thus, for 40 years, Japan gained possession of the Kuril Islands and part of Sakhalin.

After the defeat in World War II, Japan signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender (September 2, 1945) and fully accepted the obligations to implement the decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. The islands of the Kuril ridge were transferred to the USSR.

The borders of Japan were reduced to 4 large islands and many small islands of the Japanese archipelago.

Officially, the Kuril Islands were incorporated into the USSR on February 2, 1946. By 1949, all Japanese living on the islands were deported to Hokkaido.

As you can see, the issue of Kuril affiliation is really confusing. Both sides have arguments. But to discuss this topic is stupid. The latter decision, especially since it is officially enshrined in the USSR, and therefore Russia, is final today.

Now a simple question. We evicted the Japanese from our territories. Did we populate them ourselves? Have we mastered them? Have we created villages, cities, infrastructure on the islands? Have several generations of Russian people been living there? Have we kept what was created in Soviet times?

A little bit of memories of another region. About the Arctic. I once went to Vorkuta on business affairs a couple of times. The only thing that surprised me, but it was in early January, was that I did not even have time to shave from dawn to dusk. That is, when he went to shave, the window was early morning, very early, when the darkness was already leaving, but the sun had not yet risen, and when he returned, it was night.

Otherwise, it was an ordinary city, or rather, part of the city, the village of Vorgashor. Mothers with children went to the kindergarten and nursery along the streets. Schoolchildren fled. Gradually replaced the miners. Even local indigenous people from the tundra attacked the nearest store and loaded boxes of frozen fish and other goods onto sledges. And the deer looked at it lazily.

A couple of years ago, I decided to recall those trips. The benefit of the Internet today allows you to see almost any place from the sofa. I saw ... Hiroshima! Abandoned quarters of five-story Khrushchev buildings. Broken windows. Overgrown roads. Though a movie shoot about the atomic bombing. The people are gone.

But the same picture today in almost all of the Trans-Urals and the Arctic. People abandon their native land and go west. It’s scary to write about it, but, for example, the population of my region, according to official data for September 2019, daily, I repeat: daily, decreases by 8 people.

Today, the television "went wild" after a speech by President Putin. “Let's solve the demographic problem!” “We need to make young people love children!” And the like on all channels. And what to make her? There are many children. And there are no problems with demography ... In Moscow and the cities nearest to it. There are many kids today. They will grow up and go to solve the problem of demography in the western part of Russia.

Sometimes they write to me that the Russians (in the broad sense of the word) will not disappear from Siberian or Far Eastern lands. Business will stimulate the local population. Forcing young people to stay at home, and not wander around the rented corners in the suburbs. Oh really?

And what is the use of business from cities on Sakhalin, in the Arctic, on the islands? Look today at the oil producing regions of Western Siberia. Cities are dying successfully! Where they once fled, as in Soviet Vorkuta, children, now severe peasants who arrived for three months or six months on duty. Earn money and go home! And this is just the beginning of the process.

Today shift workers are traveling from many regions of Russia and the neighboring, once Soviet, foreign countries. And tomorrow who will go? Who is closer to carry? The same Chinese. Business, nothing personal. It’s just that the house where the money you’ll be taken will change the address. Instead of some Kherson there will be Chongqing or something else. Instead of Tatar, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Azerbaijani there will be a Chinese.

Remember Putin's proposal on September 12, 2018 to sign a peace treaty with Japan without preconditions? Do you remember the Japanese response?

This is not to say that the state does not understand this. Indeed, according to the stories of the inhabitants of the islands, "life has become more fun." Money went to the islands. Here is the opinion of regional officials on this issue almost a year ago. Chairman of the Public Chamber of the Sakhalin Region Vladimir Ikonnikov:

The vast majority of the population of the islands considers them to be an integral part of Russia, because the state supports them not in words but in deeds. The Kuril Islands are actively developing. For example, a modern airport has been built on Iturup, fish and seafood processing plants are being created and developed on Shikotan.


Sakhalin deputy Natalya Korshunova:

Health care is developing, technical equipment of social institutions and personnel issues are improving, schools and kindergartens are being built. If earlier there were wooden buildings and there were no gyms and visual aids, then today all this is.
Housing is being built, factories are opening and operating - factories have been restored and new workshops built on Shikotan, the same in Yuzhno-Kurilsk. Parks and squares are developing today, roads are paved - cities and towns in the Kuril Islands often look better than the cities of Central Russia.


But people on the islands from this no longer! And will not! People do not want to live in harsh conditions and at the same time feel isolated from a large country. It is hard to believe, but in such conditions only ... true Russian patriots survive. Loud words?

No, that's right. People living on the edge of the earth, surviving in harsh conditions, without really thinking, will protect this land to the last. Can? they won’t be able to say this beautifully, but they won’t leave for sure. In principle, they are already at the forefront. Every minute, hourly, constantly.

In tsarist Russia, in the Russian Empire, in the USSR, the state in every way encouraged the relocation of citizens or citizens to the eastern regions. Someone rode for free, someone for land, someone for fossils, and someone just for romantic reasons. We drove and stayed. Like those who now live on the islands. And they became the basis of Russian statehood in new lands. Defenders of Russia, if you will.

so what? Will we give the islands, Siberia, the Northern Sea Route to foreigners? Will we continue to count the boys and girls who have left? We will master the wealth "hap-way", excuse me, on a rotational basis? Or is it time to create conditions for young people in the eastern regions so that they don’t go to Moscow, but from Moscow?

Demography is not only a problem of having children. This is a problem of uniform population of the country. The problem of creating people like Siberians or islanders in the Kuril Islands. People for whom this harsh land will become a homeland, and not a place where you can quickly "cut the dough."

I don’t know if our leaders understood the essence of the problem. Or, again, will we consider population heads as the national average? But I want to understand. So that some BAM reappears, where young people from all over the country are eager for romance and heroism. So that not severe peasants came to the Arctic, but young couples simply lived. Gave birth to children, built cities, factories, railways ...

We do not want to lose the country, which means that we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Return youth to the eastern regions! Give good prospects for the future, good salaries, good living conditions, preferential housing, the opportunity to relax in the same Crimea in departmental sanatoriums and rest homes. After all, we had all this! ..
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  1. Svarog 22 January 2020 13: 38 New
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    If Russia continues to pursue the same policy as today, it will come true.

    It's easy .. with this approach, when officials have only money on their minds .. Alaska was also sold ..
    And what is the use of business from cities on Sakhalin, in the Arctic, on the islands? Look today at the oil producing regions of Western Siberia. Cities are dying successfully! Where they once fled, as in Soviet Vorkuta, children, now severe peasants who arrived for three months or six months on duty. Earn money and go home! And this is just the beginning of the process.

    That’s what it is about .. it’s not business that should be controlled by the state, but by state-owned business.
    I don’t know if our “tops” understood the essence of the problem. Or again, we will “count the population heads” on average in the country.

    I believe that there are no fools at the top .. rather cynical pests ..
    1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 13: 40 New
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      when officials have only money on their minds.

      in your head only theft from the budget. 99% of posts about it. and also - # soon

      We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war


      if panleugolovye affairs do, then perhaps in a different way. In general, the name of such statues is to be managed at all.

      1. Svarog 22 January 2020 13: 44 New
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        Quote: c-Petrov
        in your head only theft from the budget. 99% of posts about it.

        Petrov, welcome, I haven’t seen it for a long time .. Take off your pink glasses and look at the realities .. The author gives specific facts that already have a place to be .. namely, a decrease in the population of the above regions and a decrease in demography .. All this does not suggest an idea that if this happens, then someone needs it ..?
        1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 13: 45 New
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          Petrov, welcome, a long time ago it was not visible .. Take off your pink glasses and look at the realities ..

          raced .. stop

          Channel Crimea_Realities from RadioFreedom not to see no? Or do you have your own - Svarog_realii? You can ask for funding, grant. You will be in the stream. It’s all in one, only about Crimea. And you will be more expanded. Well, the franchise logo will even give you



        2. Serg65 22 January 2020 14: 08 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          The author gives specific facts.

          These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!
          1. Svarog 22 January 2020 14: 09 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Svarog
            The author gives specific facts.

            These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!

            Do you want to say that the population of those regions has been dying out for more than 100 years, that the whole population has been declining for more than 100 years? You are very mistaken.
            1. Golovan Jack 22 January 2020 14: 31 New
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              The picture is beautiful. But it has nothing to do with the matter. But beautiful yes
              1. Lexus 22 January 2020 15: 53 New
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                The picture is beautiful. But it has nothing to do with the matter.

                So give your "picture". "On business". From there. From the Russian North and the Far East. What are you all, “patriots,” pushing for Moscow and evacuating children in Canada and the Americas, while teaching others “for life” and calling for “ischachi”? Show by your own example how to raise the Motherland "from one’s knees." In practice. You look, and we'll see you in the news.


                I will personally collect the parcel with breadcrumbs and stew and send it! laughing
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                  1. Lexus 22 January 2020 16: 43 New
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                    I authorize you to "You" and in a respectful manner.
                    Otherwise, your path lies along the well-known, familiar, route. I don’t render assistance in collecting the belongings. If there is a misunderstanding, this is not for me.
                    “Yours” have absolutely nothing to do with that Great Victory. On the contrary, "they" partly scattered around the World in 1945, some, after the military tribunals, went to the other world. For special "services" to the Motherland. It is a pity that not all the "reward" found.
                    On Victory Day I will go out with the Red Banner and battle brothers. But just you wouldn’t hurt.
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                    2. Krasnodar 22 January 2020 20: 53 New
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                      Quote: lexus

                      On Victory Day I will go out with the Red Banner and battle brothers. But just you wouldn’t hurt.

                      Coming from martial arts combatants is a terrible force ... the question is, why should someone beat to go out under the Banner of Victory? I would not understand that.
                2. Golovan Jack 22 January 2020 19: 10 New
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                  Quote: lexus
                  Lexus

                  You, my friend, for "Stroporeza" today, or what?

                  I feel sorry for you ... nasty work, and unsafe. But - if necessary, then - necessary, go for it yes
                  1. Svarog51 22 January 2020 22: 22 New
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                    Novel hi For Stroporeza now Tikhonmarin. The same Vlad. Already the 41st remembers. Just right to give the Order of Victory.
                3. bk316 22 January 2020 19: 22 New
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                  What are all of you, "patriots" clinging to Moscow

                  Shake it? am
                  I was born here and my parents were born here and grandfathers were born here.
                  Why should I leave my homeland somewhere?
                  In general, it’s you who are all pushing and pressing for us already 20000000 have pressed .....
                  1. pmkemcity 23 January 2020 05: 46 New
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                    Shake it? am
                    I was born here and my parents were born here and grandfathers were born here.
                    Why should I leave my homeland somewhere?
                    In general, it’s you who are all pushing and pressing for us already 20000000 have pressed .....

                    Change nickname!
            2. Serg65 22 January 2020 14: 40 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              Want to say

              Vladimir, if not for Stolopin, Siberia would have been almost unpopulated, even Komsomol construction sites and camps would not have helped!
              Quote: Svarog
              You are very mistaken.

              What, is that the people from Siberia began to flee 100 years ago? Oh really? My great-great-grandfather was one of the founders of the village of N-Pokrovka in the Kuraginsky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, and out of 6 uncles and my father there was only one uncle, the rest in the 50s rushed to the European part of the USSR!
              1. your1970 25 January 2020 21: 11 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                Quote: Svarog
                Want to say

                Vladimir, if not for Stolopin, Siberia would have been almost unpopulated, even Komsomol construction sites and camps would not have helped!
                Quote: Svarog
                You are very mistaken.

                What, is that the people from Siberia began to flee 100 years ago? Oh really? My great-great-grandfather was one of the founders of the village of N-Pokrovka in the Kuraginsky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, and out of 6 uncles and my father there was only one uncle, the rest in the 50s rushed to the European part of the USSR!

                The USSR clearly understood this, therefore, it fixed the population on the spot in a bunch of ways: "Komsomol permits", the distribution of young specialists, registration, restriction on accommodation for the "former" and a bunch of other ways ...

                Z. ZIL always had a quota on the "limit" - migrant workers at the present. The people then went to Moscow a lot, but Muscovites did not want to work as janitors / on the assembly line
            3. Hort 24 January 2020 13: 41 New
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              facts for over 100 years since Stolypin also spoke about the need to increase the Russian population in the Far East, when he justified the importance of building the Amur Railway in his speech to the then Duma
          2. Rusland 22 January 2020 16: 22 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Svarog
            The author gives specific facts.

            These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!

            I agree, let it be empty for them, on their hundredths. Then maybe dashing take a sip and understand. yes
          3. NEXUS 22 January 2020 18: 02 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!

            Well now, yes ... and now compare the area of ​​the Russian Empire, say, the sample of the 1900s and the area of ​​modern Russia. The collapse of the USSR is by the way, too, the loss of our lands.
            We do not want to lose the country, which means that we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Return youth to the eastern regions!

            Well, here it’s not only youth that needs to be returned. Here, in general, people need to be settled there ... we look at the percentage of living people in the European part of the Russian Federation and what is from the Urals and beyond. After the Urals, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, only about 30% of the total population of Russia lives in the percentage, but in the European part, which is several times smaller, the remaining 70. Someone will say, almost all the megacities and civilization in the Russian Federation are concentrated in European part ... so what? Is there no life beyond the Urals? Or is there land not land? It’s just that the authorities aren’t itching to somehow make moving to a settled life in those lands attractive.
            You can yourself go at your own risk and risk ... only there is not so much work in comparison with the European part of the Urals on which you can live well and comfortably. Where is all the money? In Moscow, yes, in St. Petersburg, and a bit like that on the periphery.
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              1. NEXUS 22 January 2020 18: 32 New
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                Where have YOUR lands been lost, if not a secret? In Tajikistan, Armenia or in Latvia?
                Or maybe your land in the city of Washington? Do not be shy.

                That is, in addition to the magazines about Buzova, the young man did not read anything at all ... Well, you can’t be so impassably illiterate then.
                Quote: bullet
                How do you plan to return? After all, they strive more and more to move to Western Europe.

                Che all straight?
                Quote: bullet
                With you and your relatives will the settlement begin?

                Boy, I’m happy to go, let's say the Urals ... there would be work. Unlike you, I’m not afraid of changes in life, including geographical ones.
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                Uncle, sometimes you need to at least read something, along with graffiti.
                85% of the territory of the Russian Federation are unsuitable for permanent residence and household management. activity.

                Come on. wassat You won’t read such idiocy on the walls of the sort. You have to be beaten off to the full to write this with the proud appearance of an expert.
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                And in other places (including ALL Siberia) there is a priest. The letter "F".

                And as people, for example, they live in Irkustvka ... I can’t put my mind in it. wassat Apparently starving. fellow
                Quote: bullet
                Not the earth. Eternal Frost.

                Yes, you read, you need the Bahamas everywhere, not Siberia or the Urals. So, boy, before you write something, think about it, maybe you shouldn’t show everyone your ignorance and idiocy.
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            2. 72jora72 23 January 2020 06: 38 New
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              Is there no life beyond the Urals? Or is there land not land? It’s just that the authorities aren’t itching to somehow make moving to a settled life in those lands attractive.
              I can vaguely name a couple of three proposals on how to return the people to the Far East and the North, only who needs my proposals, and the North as such does not need our government (and the “fashionable” work on shift now will finally finish the North in the near future).
              1. Sergey1987 23 January 2020 11: 05 New
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                and the North as such does not need our power

                Do not carry nonsense. The north is actively developing our power. Have you heard anything about LNG in Yamal? About Norilsk? Look how some cities of the North look now, the same Salekhard.
                Have you noticed the Arctic? On New Earth, our troops are again standing.
                Quote: 72jora72
                and the “fashionable” shift work will finally finish off the North in the near future

                What are you? On a rotational basis and under the USSR, the majority worked there and did nothing.
                1. Severok 30 January 2020 22: 12 New
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                  I really didn’t know!
                  The north is actively developing our power.
                  Yes, the Chinese were brought to us in Murmansk, they are building something ridiculous with the wrong hands to trade stolen for a cordon. And for local tail from sprats and then do not give to earn. Kommunalka eats up to 16 tr both in summer and winter. Products are at least a quarter more expensive compared to the middle lane. More than 450 tons of people lived in the USSR in Murmansk. of the population, now on the strength of 300 tons, of which one fifth are Asians and Caucasians who came to work. What the authorities are trying on salaries with us - so to remove the military from statistics along with officials and leaders - and we are beggars. With our salary prices in the middle lane. We pay for heating year-round, but there is no audit of the legality of this decision by the authorities. But, damn it, there are several billionaires in the city.

                  Of course, the north develops power, just not to live, work and raise children in the north. Impossible for twenty years already.
            3. Sergey1987 23 January 2020 11: 01 New
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              Quote: NEXUS
              After the Urals, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, only about 30% of the entire population of Russia lives in the percentage, but in the European part, which is several times smaller, the remaining 70. Someone will say, almost all the megacities and civilization in the Russian Federation are concentrated in European part ... so what? Is there no life beyond the Urals? Or is there land not land?

              This is quite normal given that a significant part of the Russian Federation is not very suitable for living. Look at other countries. 70-80% of the Brazilian population lives in the south. That’s how they don’t really want to live in the jungle in the north, although the climate there is not as severe as ours.))) And nobody panic there. The vast majority of the Australian population lives in the Southwest. Almost the entire population of Canada in the South is from one ocean to another. And for some reason there are no screams there.
          4. That's the point, Serg65, that, still .. ,,. It is a miracle that this is still the territory of Russia. After all, the devastation in Russia was no longer 20, but all 35 years! How much historical time was lost due to traders-traders. From a country of kazku it was possible to make a third of a year Китая The experience of China on this matter is r and so on. They are from manure to the second place in the world, we from the second place to manure. ,, The market will rule everything ... ,, They have ruled ... There are not enough printed words. However, everyone already knows who they are. ,, Water purrs - my water, tanga flows - my tanga ... ,,. Terribly primitive, wingless, worthless. Neither education, nor health care, nor justice, nor .... SENSE on the territory is self-sufficient and endowed with everything necessary. Indeed, from the beginning the Creator of Russia has given everything up - forests, clean rivers, minerals ... Just work, just not dirty tricks!
            Well, he’s cunning, well, he’s stolen, but you didn’t take it from the air, you took it from the country, you did it country day after day. And how dogs smell someone who is afraid of them, so here ... in foreign policy. And now a Big Country, excuse me, is wandering and does not want to buy obsolete weapons from the West, and the Ancient Country declares that it is jointly responsible for the safety of the pipeline throughout. And frankly spits on the concept of, the sphere of influence and interests ,,. Got it, to the market ,,? At school, history had to be taught, and you spent all the energy on selling chewing gum to classmates ... ,, triplets ,, stupid.
            And when a strong and serious adversary comes, what will you do? He will PERSONALLY show you the tricks? Or will the tricks be shown by a slightly distressed people?
            The author of the article is right - the probability of losing a significant part of the territory is very high. For millennia, PEOPLE have been known: ,, Weak-hit! ,,
            1. Serg65 23 January 2020 12: 37 New
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              It is a miracle that this is still the territory of Russia

              Eugene, well, let's start with the fact that the First Secretary raised the issue of transferring the Kuril Islands to Japan 64 years ago Central Committee of the CPSU and for 64 years this tyagomutin has been going on, and the islands, as they were Russian, have remained! In this regard, the question arises, what is the same opposition constantly shouting about the return of the islands of Japan? Are they themselves preparing the way for this return? So to speak according to the old tradition what
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              The experience of China about this r and h, etc.

              So what is the experience of China screaming about, Eugene? And he screams that the modernization of China began from the moment when the second man after Stalin in the world communist movement, the Great Mao lay down under the USA! It was then that the hydra of capitalism began to invest huge amounts of money in communist China, and without that money, modern China would have been a third-world freelance country on par with North Korea!
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              And when a strong and serious adversary comes, what will you do?

              laughing Do you think that he will go out in the open! He has already come and whispers quietly into the ear weak on the head ... do not believe the putler, all thieves, give the revolution, our sternum is everything, Khodorkovsky is with you! This enemy has already defeated Russia twice, and moreover, by the hands of the Russians themselves, so what do you think, the third time he will go into an open war? Come on!
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              The author of the article is right

              The author of the article is one of the participants in the already begun presidential election campaign ... and only !!!
              1. meandr51 25 January 2020 16: 57 New
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                You still say that the great Stalin went to the USA, because they built us DneproGES, Magnitogorsk and GAZ ...
                1. your1970 25 January 2020 21: 18 New
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                  Quote: meandr51
                  You still say that the great Stalin went to the USA, because they built us DneproGES, Magnitogorsk and GAZ ...
                  -for all this, Stalin paid in gold.
                  And China paid a penny cost of labor - after which they rushed there ALL Western firms began to create industry there. Because of what they are now starting to whine (after the outbreak of the sanctions war between China and the United States) - production cannot be taken out ...
                  1. meandr51 26 January 2020 21: 39 New
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                    For some reason, the penny Soviet rabsila did not impress anyone. In my opinion, the point is not so much in it as in the climate and geography of the coastal zone of China. Well, they tried to push us with them ... Everything happened with the Chinese, except for the environment. Now their market is many times larger than the American one. Which is not surprising.
                    1. your1970 27 January 2020 08: 26 New
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                      For some reason, the penny Soviet rabsila did not impress anyone.

                      With the Soviet - there was a Cold War ...
                      With the Russian - it is not cheap even in the 90s was compared to China. There really people worked for a handful of rice ....
                      Well, climate costs are naturally higher.
                      When salaries grew there, they climbed to us. Naturally, the desire to seize the wound from us plus high import customs duties was naturally added up
          5. Technologist 24 January 2020 18: 42 New
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            So far, half of Siberia has already fallen over the Urals.
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            Qas 26 January 2020 11: 01 New
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            De jure, yes, Russian.
            De facto? You, dear, in which region do you live? I’m in the Khabarovsk Territory, and every day I see endless train trains with raw wood and coal going to China, and oil pipelines in the same direction. And also a constant outflow of the population in the direction of the snickering non-rubber, and other territories of the western slopes of the Ural Mountains. People just want to live a normal life and give at least something to their children, which, for many reasons, cannot be done in the territory under discussion. We can write many right words here, but I would like to dwell on world history: All empires sooner or later fell apart. Looks like the Russian came their time, to the greatest regret. We give without a fight and the Kuril Islands and the Far East. Moscow rulers have already been bought, the economy is set to increase export (export of resources) rather than developing domestic demand, the country is woven into the global economy, and so that various world dwarfs point to our place as a world gas station, in Russia itself as permanent ones. " .. you need to pay attention ... "," ... you need to double the GDP (someone else remember?) ... "and no one else believes other promises.
            When gangrene begins, the rotting piece is cut off. The gangrene of power in the country began a long time ago and is already visible to everyone.
            1. Serg65 27 January 2020 10: 52 New
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              every day I see endless railway trains with raw wood and coal going to China, and oil pipelines in the same direction.

              what Imagine the same picture in the Smolensk, Belgorod, Leningrad regions, but only to the West ... is it not horror?
              Quote: Qas
              constant outflow of population towards the snubbed non-rubber, and other territories of the western slopes

              Your suggestions?
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              Give without a fight and the Kuril Islands and the Far East

              Well you can! Dofig by giving not purchased by you!
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              Moscow rulers have already been bought

              what By whom?
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              the country is woven into the global economy, so much so that various world dwarfs point to our place as a world gas station

              Do you write comments at the direction of these dwarfs?
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              When gangrene begins, the rotting piece is cut off.

              Again, wanted to drink Russian krovushki ????
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          All this does not lead you to the idea that if this happens, then someone needs this ..?

          It’s rather not someone needs, you can’t catch up on his position at the top, it’s rather an underestimation of the need for the entire infrastructure to populate not only the Far Eastern and northern territories, but also the same villages and villages.
          So that a person does not just work and live, for this, shift work can be enough in certain territories, you need home and comfort, shops, kindergartens, entertainment, full communication with the Big Earth - telephone, television, the Internet and the airport with affordable flights!
          And to give one money ... Well, let big officials travel to the north, work in the regions at least on a shift basis - for 3-4 months, with a 2-week rest. Then they can find out on their skin what is needed for a normal life away from the Big Earth!
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        4. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 16: 17 New
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          The author gives specific facts that already have a place to be .. namely, a decrease in the population of the above regions and a decrease in demography.

          We all see and know this, but we can’t do anything.
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            We all see and know this, but we can’t do anything.

            Unconditional pardon, but "we" are the government of the Russian Federation? Then the next question is - do we need it? if in the European part everything is so ...... interesting .....
        5. Local from the Volga 22 January 2020 19: 54 New
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          8 people a day, about 2500 a year ... as much as 25000 in ten years! that’s the trouble! and juggle with facts!
        6. Range 23 January 2020 00: 20 New
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          Take off your pink glasses and look at the realities .. The author gives specific facts that already have a place to be .. namely, a decrease in the population of the above regions and a decrease in demography ..


          And what was the reality during the rampant "democracy" in Russia in the nineties? Didn't today's toast sums appear? Can you tell me how to park a car near your house in apartment buildings? And how many cars did the population have in the 90s with such an "expensive" soul? You need to compare everything, and not just find a consistency convenient for the fan on the Internet garbage dumps.
        7. 72jora72 23 January 2020 01: 48 New
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          namely, the population has decreased from the above regions and the decline in demography .. All this does not suggest to you that if this happens, then someone needs this ..?
          In Chukotka there are 49 thousand people left, 49 Karl !!!! with a territory of 737 km²
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            In Chukotka there are 49 thousand people left, 49 Karl !!!! with a territory of 737 km²

            What a horror. What to do?! Probably nothing. This is probably normal. Do you know why? Because even under the Soviet Union in the 60s, the population was 50 thousand, and in the 80s there were a maximum of about 150 thousand, most of which were shift workers so disliked by you. And you know, in the province of Canada, the Northwest Territories have a population of 43 thousand, and the territory is 1 km², and the provinces of Nunavut, the population is 183 thousand, and the territory is 085 33 km². And no one tears his hair. What do you say to Carl?
            1. 72jora72 23 January 2020 13: 05 New
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              What a horror. What to do?! Probably nothing. This is probably normal. Do you know why? Because even under the Soviet Union in the 60s the population was 50 thousand, and in the 80s there were a maximum of about 150 thousand, most of which were shift workers who weren’t so beloved by you. What’s this to say to Karl ?.
              I will say that you are completely off topic. This is what I will tell you. In the 80s, people sold apartments in Moscow in order to buy a house in Bilibino with stove heating and without water and a toilet (the price started from 5-8 thousand rubles). I saw plans for the development of the region until 2000 (it was developed in 1983) there were plans for the construction of 2 phases of nuclear power plants (work was carried out on blocks 1991 and 5 before 6), a population of up to 150 thousand was planned in Bilibino (in 1989 there were 32 thousand , 5,5 thousand today). Everything was collapsed in just 2 years, when the North was simply abandoned, when they stopped supplying distant workers' villages, leaving people in cold and hunger, when they simply stopped paying salaries and debts, they were one and a half years. The region was simply destroyed in a few years. I have been in Chukotka since I was 79, three of my children were born and still live here .........
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                In the 80s, people sold apartments in Moscow in order to buy a house in Bilibino with stove heating and without water and a toilet (the price started from 5-8 thousand rubles).

                laughing It's just mega funny. But in Manhattan and London, people didn’t sell apartments to move to the ends of the world without water and a toilet?
                Quote: 72jora72
                I saw regional development plans

                Wow. The plans you saw. So what? Has the Soviet Union implemented these plans? You yourself know the answer and for what reason. And did it make sense to implement these plans? The Soviet Union with a planned economy may and wanted to increase the population to at least 500 thousand, but why? Was that an economic sense? I'm sure not. Therefore, I cited the Canadian provinces as an example. They are larger in size in Chukotka, and smaller in population. The economy itself dictates the need for personnel. If there is a profit, people will go themselves. But forcibly shoving people to any region will not give a positive result to either people or the economy.
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                In the 80s, people sold apartments in Moscow in order to buy a house in Bilibino with stove heating and without water and a toilet (the price started from 5-8 thousand rubles).
                -And at the same time I saw ZIL - where half of the plant was "limit" (including those having fled from Kamchatka)
            2. Sadam 25 January 2020 07: 36 New
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              hmmm ..... in the 90s I started working in the PMP in the summer tankers crackers made the northern delivery- Evgekinot Conducting Pevek .... here I saw enough romance people were abandoned and survived as best they could - the old authorities died - they changed the bottle of vodka for sand and people naturally quickly ran away were only military bases. Now I am doing the same thing on the Canadian side and I can compare how these whips live here and are nunovity and other aboriginals ..... God be with him, the climate is difficult and all that - but Vladik Nakhodka south of Primorye at the latitude of Sochi half of the population scattered - PSRZ plants of the NSRZ Dalzavod .... ceased to exist in each of 20-40 thousand people were. empty trading fish oil ports container .... badly undermined here when the Japanese car industry blocked half of the population fed on it. I completely agree with the author - how red fish are driven by excavators in Sakhalin Kamchatka ... this is probably an agreement with Japan it’s needed if investments go something stirs up - neither a hectare of this nor a 2% mortgage or tax-free white salary will be lured here .... all my classmates are either Peter or Moscow or the south
          2. meandr51 25 January 2020 16: 59 New
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            Stop the deer on the tundra to drive. You still count how many people in Alaska, in Lapland, Greenland and Iceland. And in the northwest of China.
        8. perm23 24 January 2020 06: 31 New
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          Well stupidity then why write. Why immediately look for pests .. Maybe just to start to look at yourself and think. Any facts can be understood in different ways. It was one thing and now another. When coal was needed. then gas and oil became more profitable. tomorrow something else may appear. and what now contain coal mines if they are unprofitable. You will endlessly repair your penny. when everyone around will ride on electric cars .. Before you write nonsense, try to think and not look for pests .. If a person wants to live in comfort and satiety. then where does the pests. People go and look for where it is better .. but to take and create comfort everywhere so it takes time and a lot of money that you can’t tear your navel. The Soviet Union, and so it tore its navel.
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          These are not facts. It’s a lie gathered together from a lack of information and malice. Not to notice that Siberia and the Far East are developing at a tremendous pace who needs to be!? This is an indisputable fact.
      2. Machito 22 January 2020 13: 47 New
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        Not just steal, but withdraw capital abroad.
      3. solzh 22 January 2020 13: 53 New
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        in your head only theft from the budget

        Didn’t the budget money be stolen? Were there no criminal cases of theft from the budget?
        We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war

        No one will give the Kuril Islands, and even less so Siberia to anyone. Unless some new tagged one appears, and this will already be a civil war.
        1. Nehist 22 January 2020 13: 59 New
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          And soon you will not have to give. We are here in the Sakhalin Oblast ourselves soon who does not leave, will die out
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            Cheto Alexander, you are long-lived ... personally .. dying out !!
            1. Nehist 22 January 2020 14: 15 New
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              Compared to what happened 20 years ago and now it is dying out and at a very high pace
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                Compared to what it was 20 years ago and now

                The difference of 80 thousand, in fact, is not as critical as for example when compared with 1992 ... then yes, almost half ...
              2. kot28.ru 22 January 2020 15: 06 New
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                Well, yes, tell me how you prospered there 21 years ago with Benny. At trolls everything rests on the number 20, but until 2000 they lived wassat I remember very well how and what we lived in Amurk in the 90s. No need to tell me fables. Now my mother lives normally in Aldan, THOSE YEARS REMEMBER AS A SCARY DREAM hi
                1. Nehist 22 January 2020 15: 36 New
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                  You do not compare the mainland with the islands. And yes, something I don’t notice that the Amur region is flourishing not so long ago the budget of the islands was robust so your favorite Kozhemyako drank
          2. meandr51 25 January 2020 17: 01 New
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            Sorry, but that will not change anything. Including the configuration of the borders. Quite a few military bases. Corn is still not growing there.
        2. domokl 23 January 2020 09: 21 New
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          No one will give the Kuril Islands, and even less so Siberia to anyone.

          And who will decide to give or not to give? who will protect this region? Troops from the European part of the Russian Federation? So in Siberian conditions they will look like a cow on ice ... And there will simply be no local defenders left.
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          2. Sanichsan 23 January 2020 15: 59 New
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            And who will decide to give or not to give?

            so those who will decide (this is not the population of the region, as we all understand) and will not give. it’s not a shame, it was patience from which everything could be taken away, it’s a well-formed capitalist predators. they’ll not give Siberia away, they’ll also grab Venezuelan and Syrian oil wink
          3. meandr51 25 January 2020 17: 02 New
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            Nothing prevents putting several missile bases there on an ongoing basis.
      4. Magadan 23 January 2020 01: 12 New
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        if panleugolovye affairs do, then perhaps in a different way. In general, the name of such statues is to be managed at all.


        alas, but these same "pan-and-leg" ones are sitting right in the government and among the oligarch officials. That is why, at our expense, we are helping the pan-and-stick Natsiks in Schenevmerle. Judge for yourself:
        1. In 2015, Putin, without prepayment and at domestic prices, sends to Ukraine our oil and our electricity. Like "their grandmothers feel sorry"
        2. ALL Russian state women (Sberbank, VTB, alpha, etc.) stubbornly remain in Ukraine, having already suffered losses of more than ten yards of greenery! At the same time, the same banks constantly receive subsidies from the Russian budget! This, in your opinion, is not help to the pan-cookers ?!
        3. Transitional disgrace of 2019: now Natsik in Ukraine receive loot regardless of whether Gazprom pumped gas or not. The agreement is secret from the Russian side, but the pan-and-leg fools are burning with might and main over the fact that the Russian Federation has not only preserved transit, but also the dough dumps as much as before. And Gazprom gave another 3 yards from above

        So it’s not necessary to erect a slander on the author. Our authorities themselves are castelegol. Engaged in work on their foreign owners. Because their children / wives / money / houses are there.
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        2. perm23 24 January 2020 06: 38 New
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          Well, actually you. . but first of all there really is a huge number of our relatives living. . and what to leave them. .Banks remain in Ukraine for one reason and very simple. it’s impossible to sell them there. and throw like .. well, about gas transit, you generally hit. and what to do then. .If our gas cannot go in any other way. that stop pumping it to other countries in the EU. If this happened to this pipe, YOU yourself think what to do. stop all transit and not supply gas to Europe lose everything. and do not repeat the beaten fake about the children there. Give at least one fact. at least one proof. .
          1. 210ox 25 January 2020 17: 40 New
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            Yes, you are partially right, nowhere to go. It remains only to pay and repent. By the way, where is our gas carrier Marshal Vasilevsky? Isn't the gazok carrying from the states? And gentlemen, from the "national standing" should not have sung a cock about the end of the construction of SP2 for the New Year. Only now what year?
            1. perm23 25 January 2020 17: 50 New
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              on the contrary in the United States carries our gas
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                And here is no From the States to Europe. The ship is leased. Reportedly before completion of work at the LNG plant in Ust-Luga. These terms were postponed twice, and at the moment he is working for a company, an owner with a Swedish surname. The former owner, Timchenko, threw off this "stone", because it came under sanctions. Patriotism and the interests of the state are divided into elementary wild capitalism. Something like this. This is a word about the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin. The capitalists at the helm of the state are not interested in territories that do not give immediate profits and require huge costs. An example of Russian Alaska to help you.
                1. perm23 26 January 2020 13: 13 New
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                  I will not argue about Timchenko since I have no facts, however, like you. but about Alaska you are wrong. Would you even read ka why it was sold, what was there
      5. Invoce 23 January 2020 08: 39 New
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        if panleugolovye affairs do, then perhaps in a different way. In general, the name of such statues is to be managed at all.

        I am amazed at the number of scammers and their supporters. Minus those who are outraged by openly expressed liberal-defeatist thoughts "about nothing" ... "Power is bad," "liberal idea is light at the end of the tunnel ..." and all this is allegedly expressed on behalf of the masses - thereby creating an opinion that most think so. Now they will start minus me too ... But I can’t say it ... here, on the site, either a hotbed of mishandled "trolls" with the aim of distorting reality and introducing decomposition into society, or the site administration plays on the side of the LGBT community, for pink and blue negative
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    2. Altona 22 January 2020 13: 51 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      it is not business that should be controlled by the state, but state by business.

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      And the state must control the people responsible for their country. Otherwise, the state serves as an instrument of the ruling class. But today we have a philistine population, not a people.
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        But today we have a philistine population, not a people.


        people yes. Not the one for Alton. And for her the people are not the same. And the dog will agree with you. And Latynina will generally pour your words in granite



        PS minus no minus - but endured for 20 years - you will tolerate as many years as you need easily at all, I think. This is at least a discharge in 20 years

        And count up the sum of the years that you endured, bummer, gardamir and the rest - it will turn out more than one century. Well done! B - fight.
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          people yes. Not the one for Alton

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          Opachki, trolls wound up. Petrov on a Herurg's motorcycle came to "patriotism" to raise. laughing laughing What have you done for the people, Petrov? Except how to post demotivators? At least I’m engaged in production, I have developed a whole bunch of different equipment for transport and technical processes. Created jobs. And you, Petrov, can only sow hatred, troll and be rude. laughing laughing
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            Swarms, trolls wound up

            laughing At the trolls, the trolls will not start!
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    3. Far East 22 January 2020 14: 04 New
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      as a resident of the Far East it is very sad! with us, two spawning rivers, this is no longer a reserve! for the wise Muscovites! already overload coal in an open way! coal dust in crab meat! it's DARK! no PROSPECTS! Devastation!
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        In confirmation of what you said. Does a revival happen?


        The true genocide of natural resources in the Russian Far East.
        And this is after all the "first persons" were noted there. It’s scary to imagine what was “before”.
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        2. Fan-fan 22 January 2020 18: 10 New
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          Look at all this and yearn for Stalin.
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            Look at all this and yearn for Stalin.

            Ho ho If Stalin were returned now, then you would probably be shot by whiners like you. Yearning is interesting for what? For repression? According to the execution of 600 thousand people? By poverty? I think no one is homesick.
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              Nothing, this will not stop those who come from longing to implement plans to come to you. At the same time they will explain what repression is.
    4. antivirus 22 January 2020 15: 01 New
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      the author is right
      in fact ? or short for someone?
    5. antivirus 22 January 2020 15: 03 New
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      you need to raise the Russian flag on the territory to bring there the "Russian spirit" -Russian world, otherwise a simple shift of the Tatars or Chinese. maybe Ethiopians will
      1. Magadan 23 January 2020 01: 15 New
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        Quote: antivirus
        otherwise a simple watch Tatars or Chinese


        and the Tatars ???? Tatars are our people. The same state-forming nation! You are here between ours: Russians, Ossetians, Tatars, Chukchi, etc. do not sow discord please.
        The Russian person has only one enemy - a corrupt Russian official.
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          The Russian person has only one enemy - a corrupt Russian official.

          Good-for-nothing guz official!
        2. domokl 23 January 2020 09: 28 New
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          and the Tatars ???

          Do not be idiotic. And then nationality? Shift workers are coming from Tatarstan. By the way, different in nationality. There is no need to drag in the national question here. I, in this case, also came to Russia in large numbers. Roots all over the USSR are scattered
          1. Sanichsan 23 January 2020 16: 39 New
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            a little out of post, but I want to ask you, as the author ... and what are the ambassadors of the article?
            1)
            yes, the region is depressing, yes, many enterprises have closed and there is no work, yes, people are running, and .... so what? Is there anything unnatural in this?
            What are you offering? to build factories in Chukotka so that parts can be transferred from central Russia and then products can be transferred from there to central Russia?
            or maybe it is better to adopt a normal state program of labor migration within the country so that people from regions where there is no work can normally move to regions where labor is needed?
            2)
            tell me, why are you broadcasting Taiwanese nonsense about Chinese Siberia? China cannot even populate the central part of its country where the climate is much milder. built cities that have been empty for several years. what Siberia the Chinese ate even in the central part of their country do not want to move, despite the fact that the climate there is much milder than in Siberia. no Chinese in their right mind will go to Siberia. North Koreans and Vietnamese work there.
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              Because a provocateur.
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          and the businessman who bribes this official to rob his country is he who ????. any stick has two ends. and if one does not give, then the second will not be able to take. . The official and the entrepreneur (speculator) are to blame.
      2. 72jora72 23 January 2020 06: 30 New
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        you need to raise the Russian flag on the territory to bring there the "Russian spirit" -Russian world, otherwise a simple shift of the Tatars or Chinese. maybe Ethiopians will
        In Chukotka, in hospitals, 40-45 percent doctors come from Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan (I’m not saying that they are bad people or specialists), they just come here who have a worse home environment .......
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          doctors at 40-45 percent come from Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan (I do not say h

          They arrived, like living in the Russian world. if I liked Amer’s, we’ve gone there or the Dzungarian world, to China or Pakistan
        2. Sanichsan 23 January 2020 16: 41 New
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          it’s just that those who have a worse home environment come here .......

          in in. so where did the myth of the Chinese come from? why would the Chinese go to Siberia?
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    7. PROXOR 23 January 2020 11: 58 New
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      Article utter bullshit !!!!
      Take, for example, the same Canada, whose population lives mainly in the south and south-west of the country. Something no one says that soon Canada will be halved. And at the same time, Canada is also developing mineral deposits near the Arctic Circle by shift workers.

      The return of the Far Eastern and Siberian lands can be only on one condition. Complete defeat of the country. and in these words I mean the concept of not only military defeat, but also political. When the "thieves" are in power, they stupidly sell the country.
      However, the hasty urplenie of the northern borders of Russia suggests that our "businessmen" do not intend to pack their bags, but earn money here.

      BTW! If you take and look at the population density in the same China and Matrasia, then you will see that the Chinese all crawled to the Southeast of the country, and the mattresses to the East Coast, to the south and somewhere to the half of the west coast.

      And I don’t see any reason for the children running around Vorkuta in winter where to -60С in winter. It’s just undermining children's health. Only the indigenous population of the country can live there calmly. So they need help.

      The issue of foreign labor is easily resolved by a MANDATORY contribution to the budget of the Russian Federation for each foreign worker. Moreover, the contribution should be fixed. It will be easier there to weed out cheap labor; good, expensive specialists will not weed out this contribution. Nevertheless, this should provide an incentive for the training of their specialists.
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    The vast majority of the population of the islands considers them an integral part of Russia

    The vast majority of the population of Russia considers the islands an integral part of Russia! Our Kuril Islands!
    so what? Will we give the islands, Siberia, the Northern Sea Route to foreigners?

    No, of course. A hole to them from a donut to everyone, and the Japanese, and the Chinese, and various other who wish our land.
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    1. lwxx 22 January 2020 14: 08 New
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      There will be people - there will be developed territories
      . People from there run a shaft. Look at the statistics of the outflow of population from the Far East. Desalination of lands is beneficial for Moscow; it is easier to shake off. I already wrote today for the Plenipotentiary Envoy for Far East Trutnev. It was with him that the outflow increased, but he was left and increased. So it conducts the right policy, pleasing to the government.
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        People from there run a rampart

        The larger the population of the country, the more opportunities for development and settlement of territories. But only.
        I didn’t touch on who, where, where, from where runs.
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          That people would go there and need some stimulation. In the union, she was both in words and in deed, but now she is not. We have not yet settled the central part and the south, and you want people to go north and freeze their asses.
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            Our central part and

            Even under the Union, these territories were not sufficiently populated.
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            do you want

            Take my word for it, I want not only this, but I don’t care about other people's “backsides”.
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            We have not yet settled the central part and the south

            These are Krasnodar, Stavropol Territory and Rostov Region. not settled yet?
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            If salaries will be significantly higher than, for example, in Moscow, and living conditions will be normal (roads, housing, hospitals, universities, kindergartens, schools, shops, etc.), then they will go to the North, to the Far East, and to the islands . Even I think in spite of the harsh climate. They will go to the “permanent camp”, but not on a shift basis.
            It makes sense to him to go to Moscow or St. Petersburg for 70-100 thousand rubles, still look for an apartment to rent for 30-40 if he will receive 150-200 rubles in Siberia or Far East and live in his house.
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          I didn’t touch on who, where, where, from where runs.

          But it was necessary. And especially you need to touch on the question WHY are running. For an example, look at how villages in Iceland are arranged, maybe you will understand something. hi
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  4. Sergej1972 22 January 2020 13: 41 New
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    In no country in the world, except for dwarf or small island states, is the population settled evenly. In the gigantic territories of Canada and Australia, the average population density is less than ours, and the uneven distribution is even greater compared to the Russian Federation.
    1. Gardamir 22 January 2020 14: 00 New
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      You see in Canada undeveloped territories there are only polar bears. And we have Chinese near Siberia.
      1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 14: 04 New
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        We have an army to protect our country. Or do you think that Siberia will be protected from China by women with children living there? How can civilians affect the defense of the same Kuril Islands?
        1. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 13 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          We have an army to protect our country.

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          The colleague’s son returned from the Chita region the other day. For a whole year, he says, they didn’t do anything sensible, not even military training. Well, okay, maybe they are the only ones there. But Siberia is not covered by divisions as before, but by brigades, and China has whole armies there. The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply, it simply will not have the resources. Maybe you have some other army? Can we send Rosguard? But she is very tender, she’s afraid of plastic cups.
          1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 14: 16 New
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            Can we send Rosguard? But she is very tender, she’s afraid of plastic cups.


            why do we have such a sad opposition? Professional selection? The military Altoch decided here to discuss the tender Rosguard, in which the actors of the circus genre threw glasses and shouted that they were: "Shame on Russia" (SOBR, OMON and other units that dragged the whole Caucasus over themselves)

            And here on the forum the Military Review - all .. the public - tactfully call this substance - begins to drag these comments from the news here with a miracle of publications of a well-known orientation

            I’m going to the censor in the comment, that here, that on the echo - the audience is very similar.



            PS You understand, here minus do not minus ...
            1. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 20 New
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              why do we have such a sad opposition?

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              Petrov, what's the point of posting photos of soldiers? Does it inspire you somehow? From this the soldier will no longer be, you can militarize the whole branch, the army as it was 800 with something thousand throughout the country will remain.
              1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 14: 22 New
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                Petrov, what's the point of posting photos of soldiers?

                these are officers. you can not understand.

                Does it inspire you somehow?

                should I be inspired by the snot of a certain audience who is pouring them here? Well, I'd rather decide for myself what inspires me.

                1. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 26 New
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                  these are officers. you can not understand.

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                  What can I not understand, Petrov? I don’t understand your child’s shows here absolutely and the flood with which you clog the branch. As for the officers, the colonels in the army greeted me hand in hand and nothing, but on the other end of the line there was no less lieutenant general, because the phone was ZAS. So, your maxims, Petrov, keep your snot with your military pictures with you.
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          2. Odysseus 22 January 2020 15: 01 New
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            Quote: Altona
            But Siberia is not covered by divisions as before, but by brigades, and China has whole armies there. The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply, it simply will not have the resources. Maybe you have some other army?

            China to pray for power in the post-Soviet republics. At least for Putin, at least for Yanukovych and Nazarbayev. They wouldn’t get such an amount of technology and resources for nothing from anyone and never. Yes, technically the PLA can easily occupy Kazakhstan and the Far East. But first of all, the West really does not like it.
            And most importantly why the hell do they need it? "A fool does not need a knife."
          3. garrett 22 January 2020 15: 11 New
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            Can we send Rosguard? But she is very tender, she’s afraid of plastic cups

            Evgeny Vaganovich, log in
          4. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 16: 14 New
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            China still can’t really populate its north. The Chinese do not want to live in the cold.
            1. 72jora72 23 January 2020 09: 44 New
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              China still can’t really populate its north. The Chinese do not want to live in the cold.
              In our Anadyr (Chukotka) region, one businessman decided to take up advanced greenhouse hydroponics, and brought five Chinese (pros greenhouses) for this business. So in the summer it was still normal with them, and in winter they refused to go out on the street, and they lived in greenhouses. So the Chinese will definitely not capture Chukotka. laughing
          5. Sergey1987 23 January 2020 13: 09 New
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            The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply; it simply will not have the resources.

            In Manchuria, the PRC has only the 78th Army. And for your information now they’re fighting without running into the bayonet with the cries of Ur. Not the most important number, the main quality and technology. And for your information, the Rosguard is very combat-ready.
          6. Sergey1987 23 January 2020 13: 47 New
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            The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply; it simply will not have the resources.

            And therefore, in China there was a widespread rejection of bulky Soviet-type divisions in favor of flexible modular brigades.
        2. Gardamir 22 January 2020 14: 13 New
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          It's not about war. An article about what the neighbors say, you still have nothing there, can we populate it?
          1. Nasrat 22 January 2020 14: 29 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            It's not about war. An article about what the neighbors say, you still have nothing there, can we populate it?

            Well, since it’s not about the war, we tell them it’s impossible !!! wassat
            Kindergarten, nursery ...
            survivors for the whole nation and the whole country (!!!!) they are tearing the veins on the site and not one wants to go to the Far North, and even ... to the Far East ... laughing Where is your action? Some calls! Verbiage! How do you differ from those you criticize?
            Well, organize a commune on the same Shikotan !!! And show an example of a successful stay !!! Well, what are you doing? Forward! And the Communist Party Party will help you financially, will throw off contributions and help, but for one example it will show how to live !!! The frail and helpless opposition ... Moans and cries, and not a single action !!!!
            By their own example, the Communists must prove continuity with those who went first to attack ... who went to hard labor, for the people and what will you come from? ... Discuss the articles on the site ??? !!! Ugh!
            1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 14: 36 New
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              And the Communist Party Party will help you financially, throw off contributions and help


              are you crazy? laughing
              1. Sergey S. 22 January 2020 17: 40 New
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                s. Petrov Today, 14:36
                And the Communist Party Party will help you financially, throw off contributions and help

                are you crazy? laughing

                Seriously.
                I believe that among the real communists there will really be someone, if not in installments, but they themselves will go to carry out the state work.
                So it was in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s ... virgin, ... BAM ...

                And if this does not happen. - the Communists will not have authority either ... Work in the Duma is a minus to everyone, even if they are satisfied with the content, the form and presentation of this work in the press are clearly annoying.
                1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 18: 37 New
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                  I believe that among the real communists there will really be someone


                  and now they are hiding? Grudinin just saving up capital? Putting it off in banks?

                  Everything for the party. All in business.

                  And if this does not happen. - then the Communists will not have authority either ...


                  There is authority. Not even one. Sleeping bear is only a pity.

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                    and now they are hiding? Grudinin just saving up capital? Putting it off in banks?


                    tell me, and Putin and other United Russia oligarchs where they are storing their capital?
                    Moreover, mind you, Grudinin, unlike Putin's Rottenbergs and Alikperovs, earned money on agriculture by an honest hump. And people have salaries of 80 thousand and not 20! And the apartments are almost free! And the school is the most modern in Europe! And his village looks like Switzerland

                    so what about Putin’s "businessmen" say? A?
                    1. St Petrov 23 January 2020 13: 13 New
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                      tell me, and Putin and other United Russia oligarchs where they are storing their capital?


                      they save up, so that later on there would be something from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to run for president. People with ordinary income in the Communist Party have nothing to do (in the elite), apparently. So they’ll save up, then they will go to the Communist Party and then to the presidency

                      Moreover, mind you, Grudinin, unlike Putin's Rottenbergs and Alikperovs, earned money on agriculture by an honest hump.


                      wassat

                      Swiss tax office reported 11 accounts of Grudinin, including in gold

                      why did he hide his honest earnings from the election commission? I had to make requests in Switzerland. Oh, these candidates from the people and the Communist Party

                      1996, Yukos and even the dissolution of the USSR - do not undermine faith in the party. She is very strong. This is abruptly ego. Although you are also trying to convince everyone to believe in the unknown.

                      And the people go to the polls and believe Putin :( Novodvorskaya and Atlokh sin that the people are not the same. I suggest you join these characters

                      so what about Putin’s "businessmen" say? A?


                      they are capitalists who do not pretend to be communists after they put their CPSU tickets on the shelves. So to speak, synchronized with reality and found the strength in themselves, to live in a new dimension

                    2. perm23 24 January 2020 06: 47 New
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                      and that the school of sternins built something that he himself at his own expense and contains himself. You would have known before writing nonsense. that the school is built on budget money. and what kind of agriculture is there. . Somehow I gave him a suggestion not to revive the village near the Moscow Ring Road but our state farm near Perm. So his hump does not need to be written. don’t have honest money there .. and about Grudinin’s capital the same way = grow where he keeps his own. where goge children are kept. where at their home.
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              1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 16: 59 New
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                The Chinese are not particularly keen on us in Siberia. They do not have their own north of the country, cities are built, and the Chinese do not want to live in them. Far East there are much more Uzbeks than Chinese. Does this mean the expansion of Uzbekistan?
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            4. domokl 23 January 2020 09: 35 New
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              survivors for the whole nation and the whole country (!!!!) they are tearing the veins on the site and not one wants to go to the Far North, and even ... to the Far East ... Where is your action? Some calls! Verbiage!

              laughing On weakly decided to take? Well, I left Moscow for Omsk 8 years ago. What am I proud of now? He wanted and left. And you? Is the gut weak? Not?
            5. lwxx 24 January 2020 14: 32 New
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              I was born and lived in Kamchatka for 48 years. And seeing what was going on, he decided for the last (the third child) to leave for the best - to the south. I think, and my parents, more than paid the state land development, but we will not see gratitude. as parents did not see. whom the native state threw.
          2. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 16: 36 New
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            An article about what the neighbors say, you still have nothing there, can we populate it?

            If there continues to be such a state policy towards the regions of the North and the Far East, then it will be settled, peacefully, or not peacefully.
            1. Gardamir 22 January 2020 16: 46 New
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              In fact of the matter. Indeed, patriotism is not about screaming urrrh, but about the fact that we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up ours either.
        3. Reklastik 23 January 2020 01: 10 New
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          The big question for me is what kind of war will be with China, if it happens, taking into account the difference in mobilization and demographic potentials ... And will there be enough weapons of mass destruction for the defense of the army. Or do we need to develop multiple launch rocket systems so that hectares of land can be burned at a speed greater than they will be filled with attacking ones? I am not a military man, not a diplomat or politician. I don’t understand much)
      2. Sergej1972 22 January 2020 14: 43 New
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        And they have near the United States with more than 300 million people. Near New York State with an area of ​​only 140 thousand square meters. km and a population of 25 percent more than the population of all of Canada with an area of ​​10 million square kilometers. Indonesia is not far from Australia, where there are more than ten times more people.) On the other hand, the population of our neighbors, such as Japan and South Korea, is either declining or stabilized. In China, the birth rate is low. So the factor of demographic pressure from these neighbors should not be exaggerated. Like us, these are aging nations, with a selfish, few young generation who are not particularly willing to breed.
  5. rocket757 22 January 2020 13: 41 New
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    But people on the islands from this no longer! And will not!

    This is understandable and this is TROUBLE! discussed, nothing new to add.
    Demography is not only a problem of having children. This is a problem of uniform population of the country.

    And in WHICH country, with such different climatic conditions, is this UNIFORM DISTRIBUTION ??? I don’t know such a country.
    We don’t want to lose the country, so we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows.

    Okay, changed! And the "flows" agree with this?
    1. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 16: 37 New
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      I don’t know such a country.

      Maybe Luxembourg?
      1. rocket757 22 January 2020 16: 43 New
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        And where is the difference in climatic zones? Then, the population is concentrated in the valleys, all well, and not on the hills / mountains. There are many tourists only.
  6. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 13: 41 New
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    Who is this addressed to? What does this strange way of listing verbs in indefinite form with an indefinite addressee mean?
    1. Sergey S. 22 January 2020 14: 01 New
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      Vyacheslav Viktorovich (Vyacheslav) Today, 13:41 New
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      Who is this addressed to?

      No need to cling.
      The author correctly posed the problem. And so far no one in modern conditions has given any meaningful proposals on this subject.
      Only money can’t drive people into particularly difficult living conditions ... With today's educational policies, successful ones strive to warm places ...

      There is no understanding that the situation has already changed, and just for independent survival it is necessary to tear the veins at any job and in any conditions ...

      I want to reassure the liberals. What I wrote is not for everyone. This is for the Heroes of the Russian land: teachers, doctors, designers, technologists, hard workers, submariners, pilots, railway workers, ...
      This is about those who die from heart attacks, who work seven days a week, who bring up children and grandchildren despite the idiocy of reality ...

      By the way, I’m sure that the President would send the Far East to Shoigu’s administration, and things will go better ... And if he would also find his children places of activity in the Siberian outback or on the islands of the Arctic Ocean, then everything would quickly recover.
      1. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 22 New
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        I want to reassure the liberals. What I wrote is not for everyone.

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        Who are you reassuring at the moment? Kudrin or his student Mishustin? We have an ultra-liberal government.
        1. Sergey S. 22 January 2020 14: 28 New
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          Who are you reassuring at the moment? Kudrin or his student Mishustin? We have an ultra-liberal government.

          And what does the government have to do with it?
          Let me remind you that in the days of the pioneers, the Moscow authorities even knew what Siberia was ....

          I’m talking about Great people who should not be disturbed, and whom it is desirable to understand ...

          Or do you think that in the country led by Medvedev no one worked on reforming the army and new weapons ???
          1. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 32 New
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            And what does the government have to do with it?

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            What do you mean? Or do you think someone will rush to Siberia alone? And what does the new weapons have to do with it? Stolypin tried to populate Siberia, it did not work out very well. The topic is generally very extensive. And the people there were mostly exiled, either from state-controlled migration.
            1. Sergey S. 22 January 2020 14: 44 New
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              Quote: Altona
              The topic is generally very extensive.

              I completely agree with this.
              Quote: Altona
              And the people there were mostly exiled, either from state-controlled migration.

              But this does not correspond to reality except for individual "enterprises" and that, mainly, in the era of the emergence and development of capitalism ... and the Gulag there too ...
              I wrote that there were times, there were people who went through all these lands, founded jails, laid roads, founded mines, organized crafts ... this was done either by order or by initiative.
              An example is the Great Northern Expedition, circa 1730s - 1740s. So what was the government then ...
              The result - Siberia and the Far East were rebuilt, and all attempts to tear away these territories (Kholhin-Gol) were repelled. And if not for the Urals and the Trans-Urals, what would have happened in 1942?
              It is fantastic, but it was!
              It is this experience that can help today's Russia.
              1. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 52 New
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                But this does not correspond to reality except for individual "enterprises" and that, mainly, in the era of the emergence and development of capitalism ...

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                How not true? Any such action requires considerable and considerable money, and only the state has it. About those early times that you mention, like the times of Ermak and Demidov, so there were generally only hundreds of people. Stolypin wanted to throw people there, so he escaped back, though he didn’t go beyond the Urals. Soviet power only led to the development of industry and benefits, where the accelerated experience included. But today industry was destroyed, and pension reform was imposed on the experience. Well and other delights, such as minus social and cultural life. as the development of destructive subcultures such as AUE, and so on.
                1. Sergey S. 22 January 2020 17: 32 New
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                  Quote: Altona
                  Soviet power only led to the development of industry and benefits, where the accelerated experience included. But today industry was destroyed, and pension reform was imposed on the experience.

                  That is exactly what I had in mind. These shots are not from the Gulag.
                  A very large role was evacuation. Not everyone returned to Stalingrad, Leningrad or Kharkov. many remained in Nizhny Tagil, Omsk, Barnaul ... They remained voluntarily, although there were obstacles to return, I do not deny.
                  So now we must act.
                  There will be good work, there will be personnel.

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      2. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 16: 39 New
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        Quote: Sergey S.
        The author correctly posed the problem. And so far no one in modern conditions has given any meaningful proposals on this subject.

        РќР ° верное РґР ° же Рё РЅРµ стР° РІРёР »СЃСЏ РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ РїРѕ РІРѕРІРѕРґСѓ дел СЊРЅС ‹С ... РїСЂРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР.
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    Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту? RS,Rѕ, PI RїSЂRoRЅS † RoRїRμ, SЂRμRіRoRѕRЅS <RЅRμRїSЂRoRіRѕRґRЅS <Rμ RґR "SЏ RїRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRЅRѕRіRѕ RїSЂRѕR¶RoRІR ° RЅRoSЏ Ryo P" SЋRґRo S,R ° Rј R¶RoR "Ryo, RґR" SЏ S,RѕRіRѕ C ‡ тоР± С ‹Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± отР° ть денег Рё северны Р№ стР° Р¶, Р ° потом, РІ Р ± РѕР »СЊС € РёРЅЅµЃ своем, СѓРµС ... Р ° ть РЅР ° Р ± РѕР »СЊС € СѓСЋ Р · емл СЋ. РЇ жилв С‚РµС ... РєСЂР ° СЏС ... - Р РіР ° СЂРєР °, Р'оркутР°, РҐР ° тР° РЅРіР °. R ”етям тР° Рј дел Р ° ть РЅРµС З РµРіРѕ. РўРѕР »СЊРєРѕ РІР ° С ... тР°.
    1. Svarog 22 January 2020 13: 49 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

      РџСЂРё РЎРѕСЋР · Рµ еР· РґРёР »Рё. P'P ° R¶RЅRѕ RіSЂR ° RјRѕS,RЅRѕ RІS <SЃS,SЂRѕRμRЅRЅR ° SЏ RјRѕS,RoRІR ° C † RoSЏ SЃ SЃS,RѕSЂRѕRЅS <RіRѕSЃSѓRґR SЂSЃS,RІR ° ° RґR "SЏ RіSЂR R¶RґR ° ° of the PS.
      1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 13: 55 New
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        R • R · RґRёR »Rё, СЃРїРѕСЂСѓ нет. Р СЃРµР№С ‡ Р ° СЃ РµРґСѓС ‚. РќРѕ жить тР° Рј востоянно, если ты РЅРµ предстР° Рј С‚РѕС ‡ РЅРѕ РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚. РћСЃРѕР ± енно семьям СЃ РјР ° Р »РµРЅСЊРєРёРјРё детьми. RS Р Rs ° RєRЅR ° R РѕСЃС ‹. МотивировР° ть С ‡ еловекР° постоянно жить РІ РґРёСЃРєРѕРјС „РР… P — P ° C ‡ PµPј?
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          МотивировР° ть С ‡ еловекР° постоянно жить РІ РґРёСЃРєРѕРјС „РР… P — P ° C ‡ PµPј?

          РЎР »РµРґСѓСЏ РІР ° С € ей Р» РѕРіРёРєРµ Рё Р ° СЂРјРёСЏ РЅРµ нужнР°, тР° Рј тоже РЅРµ РєРѕРјС
          1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 14: 09 New
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            РћСЃРІР ° РёРІР ° ть РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север можно Рё РІР ° С ... С‚РѕРІС ‹Рј методом. R'RѕRμRЅRЅS <Rμ S,RѕR¶Rμ, RєSЃS,R ° S,Ro, RЅRμ SЃR "SѓR¶R ° C, ° RЅR RѕRґRЅRѕRј RјRμSЃS,Rμ RІSЃSЋ SЃRІRѕSЋ R¶RoR · RЅSЊ - RoRґRμS, RїRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRЅR ° SЏ SЂRѕS ‚P ° C † RyoЏ.
        2. Sergej1972 22 January 2020 14: 46 New
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          РЎРѕРіР »Р ° сен. РќРѕ, РЅР ° пример, РІ южной РЎРёР ± РёСЂРё, РЅР ° СЋРіРµ Р ”Р ° Р»
          1. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 16: 43 New
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            Quote: Sergej1972
            РќРѕ, РЅР ° пример, РІ южной РЎРёР ± РёСЂРё, РЅР ° СЋРіРµ Р ”Р ° Р»

            РћСЃРѕР ± енно РІ РњР ° С З Р¶СѓСЂРєРµ.
      2. maidan.izrailovich 22 January 2020 14: 19 New
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        РџСЂРё РЎРѕСЋР · Рµ еР· РґРёР »Рё. P'P ° R¶RЅRѕ RіSЂR ° RјRѕS,RЅRѕ RІS <SЃS,SЂRѕRμRЅRЅR ° SЏ RјRѕS,RoRІR ° C † RoSЏ SЃ SЃS,RѕSЂRѕRЅS <RіRѕSЃSѓRґR SЂSЃS,RІR ° ° RґR "SЏ RіSЂR R¶RґR ° ° of the PS.

        P ”P ° PєP ° PєP ° СЏ Рє С З С'рту мотивР° С † РёСЏ.
        R'C ‹R» СЏ РІ РќРѕСЂРёР »СЊСЃРєРµ РІ 94-Рј РіРѕРґСѓ. РўР ° Рє РІРѕС ‚, РІСЃРµ СЃ кем СЂР ° Р · РіРѕРІР ° СЂРёРІР ° Р», тР° Рє РёР »Рё РёРЅР ° С З Рµ строил Рё Р РРє Р °Рѓ Р °Рє Р °Рє Р °Рє Р °Рє РѕРЅРё СѓРµРґСѓС ‚оттудР°. Р РЅРµ потому, СЗ С‚Рѕ тР° Рј РјР ° Р »Рѕ РїР» Р ° С‚СЏС ‚. Р ”Р ° же тогдР° Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± отки тР° Рј Р ± С‹ Р »Рё РЅРѕСЂРјР ° Р» СЊРЅС ‹Рµ. УеР· жР° СЋС ‚РёР · -Р · Р ° детей.
        RЈ RјRμSЃS,RЅS <C ... RґRμS,RμR№ (± RѕSЃRѕR RμRЅRЅRѕ RєS,Rѕ S,R ° Rј SЂRѕRґRoR "SЃSЏ) RєRѕR¶R ° F ± F" RμRґRЅR ° SЏ RєR ° Rє Sѓ RЅRμR¶RoRІS <C .... P • СЃР »Рё Р ° витР° РјРёРЅРѕР · С‹ РµС ‰ С 'можно РїРѕР ± едить Р · Р ° СЃС З С'С ‚РѕРІРѕС ‰ ей Рё С СРѓ Рѕ нех РІР ° тку СЃРѕР »РЅС † Р ° РІС‹ РЅРёС З РµРј РЅРµ Р · Р ° мените.
        Р'Рѕ РІСЃС'Рј РјРёСЂРµ РІ тР° РєРёС ... местР° С ... СЂР ° Р ± отР° СЋС ‚РІР ° С ... товы Рј методом.
    2. maidan.izrailovich 22 January 2020 14: 11 New
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      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то поедеЂте жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту ее Р'оркуту? RS‚Рѕ, РІ РІСЂРёРЅС † РёРїРµ, СЂРµРіРёРѕРЅС ‹, непригодны Рµ РґР

      Absolutely agree with you.
      Автор понятия РЅРµ РёРјРµРµС ‚Рѕ предмете СЂР ° Р · РіРѕРІРѕСЂР °.
      RS,Rѕ PI SЃRѕRІRμS,SЃRєRѕRμ RІSЂRμRјSЏ RІSЃRμRјRo RїSЂR ° RІRґR ° RјRo Ryo RЅRμRїSЂR ° RІRґR ° RјRo RїS <S,R ° F "RoSЃSЊ P" SЋRґRμR№ SѓRєRѕSЂRμRЅRoS,SЊ PI SЌS,RoS ... ... SЂRμRіRoRѕRЅR ° C.
      Рђ СЃРµР№С ‡ Р ° СЃ РЅР ° СЂРѕРґ деньгу Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± отР° Р »Рё СЃРІР ° Р» РёР »С‚СѓРґР ° РіРґРµ тепл Рс.
      Рђ Р »РёР ± ерР° Р» С ‹СЃСЂР ° Р · Сѓ С ... Р ° Р№ РїРѕРґС‹ РјР ° СЋС ‚" РІСЃС 'РІС ‹РјРµСЂР» Рѕ ".
      1. domokl 23 January 2020 09: 48 New
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        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        Автор понятия РЅРµ РёРјРµРµС ‚Рѕ предмете СЂР ° Р · РіРѕРІРѕСЂР °.

        That is yes. Only here, the author in this same Vorkuta, three brothers were born and raised. One stayed there now. He also gave birth to children and lives.
        Indeed, nobody wanted to die there. But honestly worked out to a preferential pension, received apartments from the mine somewhere near Leningrad and left. And the children remained. And so they lived there until retirement. The government created many tasty things for difficult conditions. From a good salary, two-month vacations, to free resorts on the sea and apartments in central Russia. And the pension of the northerners was not very bad by Soviet standards. My aunt even in 2019 received a northern allowance for Soviet experience. And she never grieved about her youth in Vorkuta
        1. Reptiloid 23 January 2020 21: 24 New
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          Quote: domokl
          ....... honestly worked out to a preferential pension, received apartments from the mine somewhere near Leningrad and left. And the children remained. And in the same way they lived there until retirement. The government created many tasty things for difficult conditions. From a good salary, two-month vacations, to free resorts on the sea and apartments in central Russia. And the pension of the northerners was not very bad by Soviet standards. My aunt even in 2019 received a northern bonus for Soviet experience. And she never grieved about her youth in Vorkuta
          And my mother never regretted her youth in the north of the Khabarovsk Territory in the GRE. And I do not regret my northern childhood until 6 years old.
        2. Fisherman 27 January 2020 09: 44 New
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          We were in the summer of 2018 with my wife's relatives in Syktyvkar, this is actually the very south of the Komi Republic. My aunt said that “the northern ones were removed from them,” it became shitty. She is a senior nurse in a city hospital, a long experience, her aunt is already under 60 years old. Plows in the hospital and still gives injections and other things after work, 30-35 a month is obtained. Her husband plows at 2 jobs, also receives about this. They do not live richly. There is no cottage, no car. And not foreseen. The city itself is also not very rich, although there are new areas with tall houses, as in the sleeping areas of Moscow. Many who have their own car are hacking in a taxi, downloading applications and forth. Taxi price tags are just a fairy tale compared to Moscow. True, the car can drive up both the brand new Solaris-Rio-Logan-Grant, and actually smoking old firewood.
    3. Sergey S. 22 January 2020 14: 15 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

      Р'РѕРїСЂРѕСЃ РїСЂР ° РІРѕРјРµСЂРЅС ‹Р№.
      Сегодня уже РЅРµС ‚. - РќРµС ‚СЃРјС‹ СЃР »Р ° меня РїРѕСЃС‹ Р »Р ° ть.
      РќРѕ РІРѕС ‚жил С ‹СЂРІР ° ть РЅР ° СЂР ° Р ± оте ... РІ третьей смене ... тР° РєРѕРµ Р ± С‹ Р »Рѕ.
    4. Air force 22 January 2020 14: 22 New
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      РџРѕ мнению Р ° вторР° С З Р ° сть Арктики тоже отдР° РґРёРј, РЅСѓ РсР ЗРЗР »Р‚Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ° Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ° Р ° Рј laughing. РљР ° Рє РІРѕРѕР ± С ‰ Рµ можно РґРѕРґСѓРјР ° ться СЂР ° ссуждР° ть Рс густонР° С »Р €Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р , SЂR ° RЅS <RЅR RїR ° "° F RЅRμS,Rμ Ryo RїRѕRґRІRѕRґRoS,SЊ Rє S,RѕRјSѓ C ‡ S,Rѕ RїSЂRoRґS'S,SЃSЏ RІSЃS 'SЌS,Rѕ RѕS,RґR ° RІR S,SЊ RїRѕS,RѕRјSѓ ° C ‡ то РЅРµ Р · Р ° селил Рё. PS R 'RљRёС‚Р ° Рµ С † елы Рµ RіРѕСЂРѕРґР ° СЃС‚СЂРѕСЏС ‚Рё РЅРµ Р · Р ° сел СЏСЋС ‚Рі. РћСЂРґРѕСЃ, Рі. РљР ° РЅРіР ± Р ° С € Рё, Рі. РўСЏРЅСЊРґСѓС ‡ СЌРЅ Рё РјРЅ. РґСЂ. это РєРѕРЅРµС З РЅРѕ Р · Р ° РіР ° РґРєР ° РґР »СЏ С З РµРіРѕ РѕРЅРё это дел Р ° СЋС ‚РЅРѕ это С„ Р ° РєС ‚. Р'С ‹С ... РѕРґРёС‚ РІРѕ Р »РѕРіРёРєРё Р ° вторР°, РѕРЅРё строят С З С‚Рѕ Р ± С ‹РѕС‚РґР ° ть эту СЂРёРёРµ ° С ‡ Рµ Р · Р ° селил Рё Р ± С ‹РґР ° РІРЅРѕ. РкстР° ти тР° Рј РіРѕСЂРѕРґР ° РЅРµ Р РИР ° СЂРєР ° СЃ РҐР ° тР° РЅРіРѕР№, Рє примеру Рі. РљР ° РЅРіР ± Р ° С € Рё СЂР ° СЃСЃС ‡ итР° РЅ РЅРЅР ° С З РёСЃР »РµРЅРЅРѕСЃС‚СЊ Р ± РѕР» ее РјРёР »Р» РёРѕРЅР ° С З РПРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРПР С ‚РІ РЅС'Рј всего РѕРєРѕР» Рѕ 30-ти С‚С ‹СЃСЏС ‡.
      1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 14: 24 New
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        РќР ° РќРѕРІРѕР№ Р — емле, Р — Р¤Р, РќРѕРІРѕРЃСЃРёР ± РёСЂСЃРєРёС ... островР° С ..., P RЅRёРєРѕРіРґР ° РЅРµ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ. РњС ‹РёС ... уже отдР° Р» Рё?
        1. 72jora72 23 January 2020 09: 51 New
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          РќР ° РќРѕРІРѕР№ Р — емле, Р — Р¤Р, РќРѕРІРѕРЃСЃРёР ± РёСЂСЃРєРёС ... островР° С ..., P RЅRёРєРѕРіРґР ° РЅРµ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ. РњС ‹РёС ... уже отдР° Р» Рё?
          Until 1991, almost 200 thousand people permanently lived in Chukotka, plus military men and prospectors sent another 70-80 thousand. And now for 2019 only 49 thousand ......................
      2. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 16: 56 New
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        Quote: Air Force
        РљР ° Рє РІРѕРѕР ± С ‰ Рµ можно РґРѕРґСѓРјР ° ться СЂР ° ссуждР° ть Рс густонР° С »Р €Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р , SЂR ° RЅS <RЅR RїR ° "° F RЅRμS,Rμ Ryo RїRѕRґRІRѕRґRoS,SЊ Rє S,RѕRјSѓ C ‡ S,Rѕ RїSЂRoRґS'S,SЃSЏ RІSЃS 'SЌS,Rѕ RѕS,RґR ° RІR S,SЊ RїRѕS,RѕRјSѓ ° C ‡ то РЅРµ Р · Р ° селил Рё.

        Р'С ‹РІСЂР ° РІС‹, РІР · ять ту же РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ, тР° Рј тоже СЃ РЅР ° сел ением РЅРµ РіСѓСЃРёРєР °, ° РЅС † ев РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ, С З С‚РѕР ± С‹ отдР° ть РєРѕРјСѓ то РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ.
        1. 72jora72 23 January 2020 10: 09 New
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          Р'С ‹РІСЂР ° РІС‹, РІР · ять ту же РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ, тР° Рј тоже СЃ РЅР ° сел ением РЅРµ РіСѓСЃРёРєР °, ° РЅС † ев РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ, С З С‚РѕР ± С‹ отдР° ть РєРѕРјСѓ то РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ.
          Have you been to Alaska? And I was, so in Nome or Anchorage I can leave the home garage (right in my underpants) and go to the bank, supermarket, bar, drop into the warm garage (at each establishment) to do my thing, and go home. Plus small aircraft, so many small planes (hundreds and hundreds) I have not seen anywhere else ......
          1. tihonmarine 23 January 2020 10: 56 New
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            Quote: 72jora72
            Have you been to Alaska? And I was, so in Nome or Anchorage I can leave the home garage (right in my underpants) and go to the bank, supermarket, bar, drop into the warm garage (at each establishment) to do my thing, and go home.
            And we need to do the same, because nothing prevents, and people will reach there. You wrote well about it.
    5. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 34 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

      ----------------------------
      P "P" SЏ S,R ° RєRoS ... SЂR ° C ± R№RѕRЅRѕRІ P <P "SѓSЃRєRѕSЂRμRЅRЅS <R№ SЃS,R ° R¶ Ryo RґRѕ RμRіRѕ RґRѕSЃS,RoR¶RμRЅRoSЏ P" SЋRґRo S,R ° Rј RІRїRѕR " РЅРµ сеР± Рµ сидели. RќRѕ SЃRμRіRѕRґRЅSЏ R¶Rμ Sѓ RЅR SЃ RїR ° ° ° S,SЂRoRѕS,RoS ‡ RμSЃRєR SЏ RїRμRЅSЃRoRѕRЅRЅR ° SЏ SЂRμS "RѕSЂRјR °, RїR ° S,SЂRoRѕS,RoS ‡ RμSЃRєRѕRμ SЃRЅSЏS,RoRμ P" SЊRіRѕS, SЃ RІSЂRμRґRЅS <C ... RїSЂRѕS “RµСЃСЃРёР№, тоД СЊРєРѕ РїР ° С‚СЂРёРѕС‚РёС З РЅС ‹Рµ комментР° торы РѕР ± этом СѓРјР ° Р С С ‡ Р ° С РџР ° С‚СЂРёРѕС‚С ‹РЎРµС ‡ РёРЅР °, РєРѕРЅРµС З РЅРѕ.
      1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 17: 19 New
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        Р СЃРµР№С З Р ° СЃ РѕР ± Р »Р ° РґР ° тел СЊ северного стР° жР° РІС ‹С ... РсРґРёС‚ РЅР ° пенсию РґРѕ.
    6. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 54 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

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      РљР ° РєРѕР№ СЃРјС ‹СЃР» РЅР ° С € естом десятке РјРЅРµ тудР° РµС ... Р ° ть? ЧтоР± С ‹СЂР ° РЅСЊС € Рµ умереть?
      1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 15: 16 New
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        R'РѕС ‚видите. P'C ‹PЅPµ C ... PsC‚ите СЂР ° РЅСЊС € Рµ умереть. Пусть тР° Рј Р¶РёРІСѓС ‚другиед, РґР» СЏ РєРѕС‚РѕСЂС ‹С ... РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ жиР· РЅРё Рё смерРРРЅР °Р °РЅРЅ
  8. Altona 22 January 2020 13: 49 New
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    Рљ Р ° ргументР° Рј Р ° вторР° можно РїСЂРёР ± Р ° РИить только то, С З С‚Рѕ Р ± РёР · нЃеееееееееееееРRІR ° RјRѕRіSѓS, RЅR ° C ° F ‡ S,SЊ SЂR ° F · RјRμRЅ S,RμSЂSЂRoS,RѕSЂRoSЏRјRo PI RѕR ± RјRμRЅ RЅR ° F »‡ Roes RЅS <Rμ RіR ° SЂR ° RЅS,RoRo SЃRІRѕRoS ... PI SЃRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRoR№ РђР · РёРё РёР »Рё РІ Р • РІСЂРѕРїРµ. Рэто РЅРµ тР° РєРѕР№ СѓР¶ С „Р ° нтР° СЃС‚РёС З РµСЃРєРёР№ РІР ° СЂРёР ° РЅС‚, потому С З С‚Рѕ Сѓ Р ± Р ° С ‡ евР° это РІРїРѕР »РЅРµ РІРѕР» СѓС З З РёР »РѕСЃСЊ Рё РѕРЅ жирует, СЃРґР ° РІ РЎРР 'Рё Р'Р ° СЂС € Р ° РІРІРЃРєРІРЃРІРЃРІРЃРІРЃРІРЃРІРєРІРІРЃРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІР РќРѕ РјРѕР¶РµС ‚Р ± С‹ ть Рё РЅР ° РѕР ± РѕСЂРѕС ‚. R ”SESRIPROSR№ RIRSRІESRESSЃ, Сѓ РЅР ° С € его RіРѕСЃСѓРґР ° рствР° РЅРµС С С † ел еполР° Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ± РѕСЂС ‹Р№ Р ± С‹ Р »РІ РЎРЎРЎР, котоЀры Р№ Р ± С ‹Р» РїСЂРё Р РІР ° РЅРµ Р “СЂРѕР · РЅРѕРј. РњС ‹РЅР ° РѕР ± РѕСЂРѕС‚, СЂР ° Р · РґСЂРѕР ± РёР »РёСЃСЊ РЅР ° РєРІР ° Р · РёСЃР» Р ° РІСЏРЅСЃРєРёРµ РИРѕСЃРѓР °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ° Rμ, RіRґRμ RєRѕSЂRμRЅRЅS <Rμ SЌS,RЅRѕSЃS <SѓRіRЅRμS,R ° SЋS,SЃSЏ RїSЂR ° RІSЏS ‰ RμR№ RїSЂRѕRґR ° R¶RЅRѕR№ RІRμSЂS ... SѓS € RєRѕR№- RјRѕSЂR P ° P ° "SЊRЅRѕR№, P ± RμSЃSЃRѕRІRμSЃS,RЅRѕR No. Ryo C † RyoRЅRёS З РЅРѕР№.
    1. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 09: 55 New
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      Yeah, Gorbachev is fattening. So it’s fattening that it’s necessary to act in commercials.
  9. knn54 22 January 2020 13: 50 New
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    P • СЃР »Рё отдР° ть РљСѓСЂРёР» С ‹, то (достР° С‚РѕС З РЅРѕ РІР · РіР» януть РЅР ° РєР ° рту) РјРѕР СЃС „РѕСЂРјРёСЂРѕРІС‹ РІР ° ть РўРћР¤. РќСѓ остР° вить РІРѕ типу РљР ° СЃРїРёР№СЃРєРѕР№ "Ожотскую С„ Р "Рстил РёСЋ ".
    1. solzh 22 January 2020 14: 03 New
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      РЎС ‡ итР° СЋ, СЗ С‚Рѕ РґР ° же РјС ‹СЃР» ей тР° РєРёС ... РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РґРѕРїСѓСЃРєР ° ть. hi
      Quote: knn54
      P • СЃР »Рё отдР° ть РљСѓСЂРёР» С ‹, то (достР° С‚РѕС З РЅРѕ РІР · РіР» януть РЅР ° РєР ° рту) РјРѕР СЃС „РѕСЂРјРёСЂРѕРІС‹ РІР ° ть РўРћР¤. РќСѓ остР° вить РІРѕ типу РљР ° СЃРїРёР№СЃРєРѕР№ "Ожотскую С„ Р "Рстил РёСЋ ".
      1. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 17: 00 New
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        Quote: solzh
        РЎС ‡ итР° СЋ, СЗ С‚Рѕ РґР ° же РјС ‹СЃР» ей тР° РєРёС ... РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РґРѕРїСѓСЃРєР ° ть.

        РЎРѕРіР »Р ° сен СЃ Р'Р ° РјРё, Рё РјС‹ СЃР »Рё эти РЅР ° С З РёРЅР ° СЋС‚ С „РѕСЂРјРёСЂРѕРІР ° С‚С Р РРекоСРЂоЂЂЂЂСРР. РќРµ СЃ простР° РІСЃС 'это.
  10. V.I.P. 22 January 2020 13: 52 New
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    РўР ° РєР ° СЏ ситуР° С † РёСЏ РїРѕ всей стрР° РЅРµ. РЈ РЅР ° СЃ РёР · РѕР ± Р »Р ° стного С † ентр Р» СЋРґРё еР· РґСЏС ‚РЅР ° Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± откив РњРѕСЃРєРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІР SЃSЏ C ... € RѕSЂRѕS RoRј SЃRїRμS Röhr ° † P "PI RoSЃS,RѕRј RєR ° RєRѕR№-S,Rѕ SЃS" RμSЂRμ RїRμSЂRμR ° ± RoSЂR SЋS,SЃSЏ R¶RoS,SЊ PI RњRѕSЃRєRІSѓ, R'RѕSЂRѕRЅRμR¶ P> RoRїRμS † Pє. Рђ РЅР ° селение РѕР ± Р» Р ° сти Рё Рё’Р ° Р№РѕРЅРЅС ‹С ... С † ентров едет РЅР ° Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± РѕСРРєРјРјРјРјРјРјРјРј Ryo РІР ° С ... той РІ РґСЂСѓРіРёРµ СЂРµРіРёРѕРЅС ‹. R ”R ° же деревни РІ 40 РєРј РѕС‚ РЅР ° С € его РѕР ± Р »Р ° стного С † ентрР° пусты Рµ, СЂР ° Р ± Р ± С € РєРѕР »С‹ Р · Р ° РєСЂС ‹С‚С‹ -детей РЅРµС ‚. Что воворить Рѕ Р ± РѕР »РµРµ СѓРґР ° Р» С'РЅРЅС ‹С ... РґРµСЂРµРІРЅСЏС .... Р • Р · жу РёРЅРѕРіРґР ° РІ деревню, РїСЂРё РЎРЎРЎР Р ± С ‹Р» РєРѕР »С ... РѕР · РјРёР» Р »РёРѕРЅРЅРёРє. РЎРµР№С З Р ° СЃ тР° Рј РЅРµР С ‚РѕРё РѕРґРЅРѕРѕРіРѕ РєРѕСЂРѕРІРЅРёРєР °, СЃРІРёРЅР ° СЂРЅРёРєР ° Р ..Р'РёРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРР РґРІСѓС ... этР° Р¶РЅС ‹Р№ РєР» СѓР ±. РёРєРѕР »Р ° Р · Р ° РєСЂС‹ тР°. Р'Рѕ всей деревне, Р ° РІ ней 4 селР°, РЅРµ Р ± РѕР» ее 10 РєРѕСЂРѕРІ !!! РќР ° СЂС ‹Р ± Р ° Р» РєСѓ С З РµСЂРІРµР№ РЅР ° РІРѕР · РЅС ‹С ... РїСЂРёС ... одится РїРѕРєСѓРїР ° ть РІ РІРѕСЂРѕРґР !!! Рэто РІ 500 РєРј РѕС ‚РњРѕСЃРєРІС‹ ... Рђ РІС ‹РїСЂРѕ РЎРёР ± РёСЂСЊ, Р” Р ° Р »СЊРЅРёР№ Р'осток ...
    1. Altona 22 January 2020 14: 16 New
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      РўР ° РєР ° СЏ ситуР° С † РёСЏ РїРѕ всей стрР° РЅРµ.

      -------------------------
      РЈ СЃРµС З РёРЅСЅРєРёС… РїР ° триотов РІСЃРµ есть - деньги, Р ° СЂРјРёСЏ Рё РІСЃС ', С З СРРС С ... Рѕ. R “R” R ° RIRPRsRµ, теР»RµРІРёР · РѕСЂ есть, РіРґРµ РІСЃРµ РѕР ± СЉСЏСЃРЅСЏС‚ Рё РѕРїСЂРѕРІРµСЂРіРЅСѓС ‚.
    2. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 14: 19 New
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      РЎРІРёРЅР ° СЂРЅРёРєРѕРІ РЅРµС ‚, РЅРѕ СЃРІРёРЅРёРЅРѕР№ стрР° РЅР ° сеР± СЏ РѕР ± РµСЃРїРµС ‡ РёРІР ° есЂсРССЅ. РџР ° СЂР ° РґРѕРєСЃ. Р — РЅР ° С ‡ РёС ‚РІС‹ СЂР ° С ‰ РёРІР ° ть свиней РІС ‹РіРѕРґРЅРµР№ РІ РґСЂСРРіРёС ... регионР° С ....
      1. Nehist 22 January 2020 14: 40 New
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        R'RsS ‚SЗ С‚Рѕ то РѕС‚РµС З РµСЃС‚РІРµРЅРЅСѓСЋ СЃРІРёРЅРёРЅСѓ Сѓ сеР± СЏ РІ РсР ± Р» Р ° сти РЅР ° Р ± Р »РЋРєРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂ PµPЅPµ. R 'RsSЃRЅRsRІRЅRsRј R ° S'гентинскР° СЏ которР° СЏ РІ РІРѕР »С‚РѕСЂР ° СЂР ° Р · Р ° РґРµС € евл Рµ
        1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 14: 45 New
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          Теперь СЃРІРёРЅРёРЅСѓ РѓР ° же экспортируем. Рђ РєРѕРіРґР ° эти СЃР ° РјС ‹Рµ СЃРІРёРЅР ° СЂРЅРёРєРё Р ± С‹ Р »Рё РІ РєР ° ждом РєРѕР» С ... РѕР · Рµ, РЅР ° РїСРёРєР ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ... ‹Р» Р ° РІ СЃРІРѕР ± РѕРґРЅРѕР№ РїСЂРѕРґР ° же, РґР ° Р »РµРєРѕ РЅРµ РІ РєР ° ждом регионе. Опять РїР ° СЂР ° РґРѕРєСЃ.
          1. V.I.P. 22 January 2020 17: 48 New
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            Рђ РІС ‹Р · РЅР ° ете РєР ° Рє РµС 'СЃРµР№С ‡ Р ° СЃ РІС‹ СЂР ° С ‰ РёРІР ° СЋС ‚? РџСЂРѕ С З СѓРґРѕ тР° Р ± Р »РµС‚РєРё СЃР» С ‹С € Р ° Р» Рё? РљР ° РєР ° СЏ-то С ... РёРјРёСЏ, С ... СЂСЋС € РєР ° Р · Р ° РїРѕР »РіРѕРґР ° РІС‹ СЂР ° стР° РµС ‚РґРѕ СЂР ° Р · меровСР ... RІ РЎРЎРЎР Р · Р ° РіРѕРґ РЅРµ РІС ‹СЂР ° стР° Р» Р °. РџСЂРё этом кто тР° Рј СЂР ° Р ± отР° РµС ‚, Сѓ РЅРёС ... Р ° Р» Р »РµСЂРіРёСЏ Сѓ РІСЃРµС ..., Рё РсРЅРё эту РЅРІРЃРІРЃРІРІРІРІР R ”R ° RµS 'RґR ° R¶Rµ RІРѕ RІРЅРµС € нему RІРёРґСѓ РІРёРґРЅРѕ, СЗ С‚Рѕ СЃ РєРѕРјР ± РёРЅР ° тР°, Р ° РЅРµ РґРѕРЅРЏС °
            1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 18: 16 New
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              РўР ° Рє теперь веР· РґРµ РІС ‹СЂР ° С ‰ РёРІР ° СЋС‚, РІРѕ всем РјРёСЂРµ. РџСЂРё СССРтР° РєРёС ... С‚РµС ... РЅРѕР »РѕРіРёР№ РµС ‰ Рµ РЅРµ Р ± С‹ Р »Рѕ.
        2. domokl 23 January 2020 09: 55 New
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          Here is something that I rarely observe domestic pork in my region and at a wild price

          Come to us in Siberia. Even from the neighboring area you will not see. The markets and shops were also overwhelmed. Only the pigs are not ours. One meat. Sala a couple see. Luzinsky pig farm tried. I once read about this breed at an exhibition. Even now I can’t believe that this happens. "Reaches a weight of 100 kilograms in three and a half months." Kilo per day ... What feed this monster ...
    3. Sergej1972 22 January 2020 14: 53 New
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      Многиежители соседних РѕР ± Р» Р ° стей перееР· жР° СЋС ‚РІ Р'оронеж. РўСЂСѓРґРЅРѕ РѕР ± ъяснить РїРѕС З З РµРјСѓ.
      1. Mihail2019 22 January 2020 17: 32 New
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        Most likely there is work. And the climate is excellent, Krasnodar and Rostov are not suitable for everyone. I was in Voronezh, I went to my historical homeland - my grandfather came from there. I liked the city!
        Well, many talk, which my grandfather stayed with for the rest of his life - a characteristic Voronezh "hgekane". My ears fondled right to impossibility - like a cat scratching behind the ears! smile
    4. Fisherman 27 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      Yes, I agree, there is such a thing, I saw it myself 300-500 km from Moscow.
  11. Mcar 22 January 2020 13: 54 New
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    We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war

    IF everything will go as it goes - definitely. It's a question of time. Not in this decade, so in the next, not in the next, so later. And do not say that "the majority of the population of Russia считает islands an integral part "and so on. blah blah blah. Yeah, they’re often asking the opinion of the Russian population that there’s no time to eat or sleep. Just doze off - hop! and ask something, like you think - raise the retirement age now or later.

    IF But a dramatic turn of the course will take place (how it will happen to one god knows) and in the country, not money, but people will become the highest value, then, perhaps, we will defer Siberia and the Kuril Islands. Only here there are not even hints of such an option for the development of historical events. Or am I not seeing? Lift my eyelids! (C)
    1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 14: 14 New
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      what?) having lured people with their salaries so that they would go there where they can’t survive?) shift workers who anyway will then leave back? are many here from the middle strip able to live for years at a humidity of 100 percent?) or does someone seriously imagine that people with a good education and prospects will go there,)
  12. bk316 22 January 2020 13: 58 New
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    We don’t want to lose the country, so we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Return youth to the eastern regions!

    I, too, for all the good versus all the bad. The question is how to do this?

    Give good prospects for the future, good salaries, good living conditions, preferential housing, the opportunity to relax in the same Crimea in departmental sanatoriums and rest homes.

    You really don’t understand that this is all zilch?

    After all, we had all this! ..

    It was not because of dubious buns, but by conviction or a whip too.

    Now, when the mobility of the young population has increased sharply (my half-firms are not Muscovites), it is obvious that young people are moving to where POTENTIALLY MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR PLANS. Do you really think that the plans of young people go to sanatoriums for free? laughing Or to get 20% more while working it is not clear by whom? So the only thing that can attract them is the opportunity to grow career, professional, social. And even then not all.

    Now tell me how to provide professional growth to an aircraft engineer in a town with a population of 50000?
    And how can he receive the appropriate education if the specialized universities are only in the European part?
    A uniform settlement across the territory is generally nonsense in our conditions. That in Canada the people are very evenly dispersed?
    Everything is much more complicated than it seems to you or the authorities ....
    1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 14: 19 New
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      yeah. very much the same youth today will like to go there where there is no cultural and nightlife. no drive and basic development. Damn, I wound up on weekends from Khabarovsk to Vladik to get at least some variety, but this is not the smallest city. and that bothered. young people are extremely active now and know what they want.
      1. bk316 22 January 2020 14: 24 New
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        yeah. very much the same youth today will like to go there where there is no cultural and nightlife.

        And it is unconditionally also.
    2. Odysseus 22 January 2020 15: 14 New
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      Quote: bk316
      That in Canada the people are very evenly dispersed?

      There is an incorrect comparison. Canada is part of the West, its security and existence are ensured. It was originally built on bourgeois values.
      Russia is the exact opposite in everything. For example, it was not taken into the “civilized” world even after the surrender of Eastern Europe, the USSR, almost the entire army, resources, the transfer of trillions of dollars to the West, etc. So Canada, alas, cannot be an example to us.
      1. bk316 22 January 2020 16: 58 New
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        So Canada, alas, cannot be an example to us.

        Maybe it can’t, only people everywhere want the same .....
        And we instilled in our youth bourgeois values.
        And in general, it's time to accept that we live under capitalism.
        1. Odysseus 22 January 2020 19: 16 New
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          Quote: bk316
          And in general, it's time to accept that we live under capitalism.

          The problem is that we have not accepted this and cannot accept Russia.
          Do you really think that the former CPSU boss or the KGB officer who dismantled socialism and seized the former public property would become capitalists and possess bourgeois values? No, these are just mafiosi and they possess the values ​​of bandits. Steal, hide, withdraw, hold. That's all capitalism ...
          But the lower classes generally have no idea about bourgeois values.
          As for Russia, it was originally built on non-market grounds, otherwise it was impossible to create such a state. And when you try to fit into a market (capitalist) economy, it simply falls apart. This we saw at the beginning of the 20th century, this is what we see with the beginning of perestroika. And nothing can be done here, even though every day offer a prayer to Putin and his prophet Chubais and carry out decommunization. Russia will become empty as it will.
          1. bk316 23 January 2020 11: 18 New
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            The problem is that we have not accepted this and cannot accept Russia.

            Yes, there is a problem in refusing to accept reality.
            However, Russia already lived under capitalism, so it will not fall apart.
            1. Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 11: 43 New
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              Quote: bk316
              However, Russia already lived under capitalism, so it will not fall apart.

              Already 10 months.
              1. bk316 23 January 2020 12: 22 New
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                Already 10 months.

                Yes, no 40 years .....
                1. Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 14: 41 New
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                  Quote: bk316
                  Yes, no, 40 years ....

                  No, already 10 months. From March 1917 to January 1918
                  1. bk316 23 January 2020 16: 32 New
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                    . From March 1917 to January 1918

                    And in January 17, what kind of system was it? Primitive communal? laughing
          2. Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 11: 54 New
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            Quote: Odyssey
            That's all capitalism ...

            Yes, this is another form of Bolshevism. In addition to such well-known forms as “war communism”, “Soviet power”, “socialism”, “developed socialism” and “perestroika”.
            This form is probably most correctly called "Soviet pseudo-capitalism."
            Neither with neo-feudalism, and, especially, with capitalism, this form has nothing in common.
            1. bk316 23 January 2020 12: 28 New
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              Neither with neo-feudalism, and, especially, with capitalism, this form has nothing in common.

              Well, so am I about that. People say in all seriousness, but "something the government does not crush these bourgeois" or "I live poorer than others and the state does not pour money out for me" or "the government indulges the interests of the bourgeoisie and not the working people"
              And I want to say: you are completely stupid, 30 years ago socialism collapsed, but you did not notice it?

              So it turns out that most of the people live in some kind of made-up society, and the authorities indulge them in this, and the result is "Soviet pseudo-capitalism."
              1. Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 14: 40 New
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                So I want to say: you are completely stupid,

                And this, and a terrible ignorance. I'm just surprised at such a dense - the Soviet people know almost nothing at all. From this and such strange actions.
                Quote: bk316
                So it turns out that most of the people live in some kind of made-up society,

                Absolutely right. Some strange semi-virtual world turns out.
                It is striking that another, an enormous amount of conscientious people really think that they live under capitalism. I wonder, but in the cap. countries they visited? Really, if you were, didn’t see anything around you?
  13. Hagakure 22 January 2020 13: 59 New
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    Somehow I came across a table in which only 450 thousand people decreased in the Kemerovo region over the past quarter century. !!! I myself live in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, I know firsthand that people are leaving Siberia. What do they leave, you know - the Slavs ... these are the things. Anti-people power, what to take from it.
    1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 14: 20 New
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      and people’s what can you do please tell me?) Do you know that most of those who can afford to live normally leave? but not those who have no money and prospects? those just stay. because they stupidly have nowhere to move. What do you want to lure a guy or a girl with? an apartment? with a salary three times more than in Moscow?))) and why should he not have an apartment in the city in which he will still live, and can he take and live in any mortgage? Soviet lures will not work and cannot work. only finance and nothing more. get shift workers doctors and engineers who earn money will dump back.
      1. Hagakure 22 January 2020 16: 48 New
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        Do you even understand the essence of what was written or is it just for you to pamper? TRAGEDY happens, there is no other word to choose. Russians RUN from Siberia and the Far East. You do not know that nature does not tolerate emptiness and the Holy place does not happen empty? We are losing the lands that our ancestors conquered and mastered ... WE LOSE, because of talkers like you!
        1. Andrey VOV 22 January 2020 18: 03 New
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          How much pathos .. trouble directly .. what are you doing so that the children stay at least yours?
          1. Hagakure 22 January 2020 18: 28 New
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            All that is in my power - I live, work.
            1. Andrey VOV 22 January 2020 20: 29 New
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              Respect, in this case, what you work, do ..... I lived in Khabarovsk for 16 years from 1974 to 89, and the Far East is no wonder for me
          2. Hagakure 24 January 2020 10: 42 New
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            IN THE MONASTER (parable)
            In a certain monastery, a monk saw how in the evening darkness one of the brothers climbed over the fence and headed towards the village.

            “This fornication went into the world of fornication to create,” he thought. Another saw the same picture. "This is a thief from the brothers went to the village to steal something," this thought. The third thought: "This is one of God's servants who went secretly to give alms." Why are there three such different reactions to the same picture? Because everyone judged by himself.

            For the fornicator the whole world is fornication. For the thief, the whole world is stealing. For the servant of God, the whole world pleases the Creator. We will also check ourselves in this pattern.
        2. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 18: 47 New
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          why then without a tribune then?) I hardly understood one of the inhabitants of those places and I’m not running. but my friends are leaving. not at all poor friends I note. Do you know why? climate and boredom. What do you want to keep them with? fiery speeches or still understand the reasons for this? you do not hold their apartments or salary understand. they left from there in batches and with the union. I’ve lived all my life in a military town and saw how neighbors change more often than now. in stock container and bye.
          1. Hagakure 22 January 2020 19: 01 New
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            The mass outflow began with the collapse of the USSR, at that time I was 20 years old, before the age of 91, nobody had gone anywhere (I can’t speak for the military - I don’t know), I didn’t hear about them, I didn’t see and didn’t know. People didn’t even have such a desire. And you can leave people in Siberia, but this requires the desire of those in power, and unfortunately it does not exist.
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 19: 13 New
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              yes there was. everyone who could always leave) you just didn’t notice it. the privileges plowed away and why stay where the climate, to put it mildly, is not the most pleasant? desire of those in power? Yes, even if it has any mechanisms? and I’m not just about letting people work here and what would they and their children stay too. Retirement at 45? so will leave immediately after the release. salaries? I repeat they will save as much as necessary and again they will leave. apartments? Well, what do you think a modern young man. where is it more interesting for him to live in St. Petersburg or in Yakutsk? Moscow or Khabarovsk?
          2. Evgenia Rassokhina 24 January 2020 07: 48 New
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            You are a temporary worker, not a resident of the Far East. No need to project the life of a military camp on the population. The military drank alcohol, but poached it. My ancestors mastered Altai and Primorye. Love this land. The uncle after captivity in the USA turned out to be asking for a pinch of his native land to send. You do not understand this. Probably there was no length of service to pull with the Far East? Do you even have a homeland? When a person dreams about their native places. People who worry about the Far East write here.
    2. Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 11: 44 New
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      Somehow I came across a table in which only 450 thousand people decreased in the Kemerovo region over the past quarter century. !!!

      So that’s good. Kemerovo is not the tidbit for living. People go where to live better. What's bad about it?
  14. IS-80_RVGK2 22 January 2020 14: 00 New
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    To change the situation, we must move on to socialism. And since this is not expected in the near future, there will most likely be a delivery of Indians in addition to Tajiks and other Uzbeks in about 10 years, and of course they will slightly stimulate the birth rate among Aboriginal people so that they do not rebel.
    1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 14: 20 New
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      And how under socialism to drive people to live in conditions poorly suited for life?
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        And how under socialism to drive people to live in conditions poorly suited for life?

        And that all Siberia and Primorye are unsuitable for life? And why immediately drive?
        1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 16: 09 New
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          I'm talking about the Arctic.
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            I'm talking about the Arctic.

            Thanks, Cap.
  15. maidan.izrailovich 22 January 2020 14: 05 New
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    Where they once fled, as in Soviet Vorkuta, children, now severe peasants who arrived for three months or six months on duty. Earn money and go home!

    Not an example, but a solid nonsense.
    To the author a question. And what is there to do in Vorkuta? Except for harsh men get money. You were there? What climate do you know? And thank God that children do not run there. Because in the summer they must be taken to the south. For the summer in Vorkuta is very short. You need to live in reunions with a normal climate. So that at least there is no permafrost. And all these Vorkuta, Norilsk and other similar cities should be a purely workplace. And families have nothing to do there.
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      The slogan is guys from Chukotka and Crimeans, brothers forever in life
  16. Ross xnumx 22 January 2020 14: 10 New
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    We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war ...

    We have nothing to give. What in this country has not yet been privatized and belongs to us? And in Siberia, the sale of resources and minerals is proceeding as if it is urgent to catch up to the year 2021 ... The deadline is 2024 ...
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      And when you belonged. Did you have your own mine or a drill?
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        And when you belonged. Did you have your own mine or a drill?

        You are now happy for me or you decided to prove that in the USSR the resources did not work for the citizens of the country, but free housing. education, medicine, etc. - the fruits of violent imagination of the elderly who did not have time to “die”?
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          Judging by the shelves in the stores, they didn’t work very well. Meanwhile, resources that were in short supply for their citizens were spent on feeding the satellites and any banana communist kings. And the money there was swollen by the illusory. Apparently, at the request of the working people. And you rented apartments from the state, but did not receive ownership.
  17. Strashila 22 January 2020 14: 15 New
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    For the development of the territory beyond the Urals under the Tsar Emperor, if I am not mistaken, the Moscow-Vladivostok railway tariff on the newly built Transiba was equal to the Moscow-Astrakhan tariff, which contributed to the development of Siberia and the Far East.
    Now Russian Railways has become what destroys the country, given its open spaces.
    1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 14: 22 New
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      Is Russian Railways reconstructing BAM and the Trans-Siberian Railway to destroy the country? An interesting train of thought.
      1. Ingvar 72 22 January 2020 21: 33 New
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        An interesting train of thought.

        And what is he wrong about, Andrei? The reconstruction is reconstruction, but the ticket prices really go wild. It’s more expensive to go to Baikal than to Turkey or Egypt.
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          It’s better to go to Baikal by plane. Four days by train is another pleasure.
      2. 29dest 22 January 2020 23: 06 New
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        For the export of forest and other resources, this reconstruction of the Russian Railways. And also, to cut the dough on the federal budget. Have you looked at prices for a long time from Moscow to Krasnoyarsk? I’m silent before Vlad ... Almost caught up with the air
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      Now Russian Railways has become what destroys the country, given its open spaces.

      C'mon, is 15000 expensive? And if the toad strangles and there are tickets for 9000, by the way, almost like in Astrakhan.
  18. Odysseus 22 January 2020 14: 30 New
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    Everything is fine, correctly written, but the author demands the impossible.
    Why did people travel to the North and Siberia in the USSR? Not only for ideological reasons or for coercion. And because
    1) Provided housing
    2) There was work, and work is permanent, and not half a year, a year.
    3) The salary was higher than in Moscow. Plus perks.
    That’s the whole secret. Can I do it now? No, It is Immpossible.
    Why? Because the state does not control anything the last state unitary enterprises and municipal unitary enterprises will be privatized. How can it provide something there?
    A joint-stock company conducting commercial activities a priori will not provide all this. Why on earth? This is not his concern. People do business for profit.
    So in the modern Russian Federation all the wonderful wishes of the author, alas, will remain only words.
  19. Guazdilla 22 January 2020 14: 35 New
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    So, in the years 1635-37, the Japanese learn about the existence of these islands, inhabited by the Ainu tribes.

    And even earlier, when the local tribe of macaques migrated together with islets from Eurasia to the Sea of ​​Japan, the Japanese nation subsequently appeared there, the flesh from the flesh of these incredibly inquisitive creatures. They ate everything but anything, not fish, which, in the cigarette lighter, however, never existed. It was always so comfortable on land to live there. And it’s nothing like micro-earthquakes every day, but ordinary once a year.
    There are sakura and bamboo. Kuril Islands?
    No, they did not open them.
  20. gvozdan 22 January 2020 14: 40 New
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    Unfortunately, “return youth” “create, help” “expand, turn.” These are also slogans. For example, China is quite prosperous, but even with all its resources and well-developed infrastructure, the Chinese do not want to go to the north of China. And they prefer to live in Hong Kong cages. Alaska population density seen? And the north of Canada? We have the largest area of ​​the country, most of which is in the north. This problem can never be solved. And the problem of border integrity is solved exclusively by the armed forces
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      Unfortunately, “return youth” “create, help” “expand, turn.” These are also slogans.

      ------------------------
      In Soviet times, there was a lot of romance, these regions were romanticized — the northern lights, geologists, Papanin, Chelyuskin, Two captains, and so on.
      1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 15: 21 New
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        You won’t be full of romance. Although the North is beautiful to impossibility. Romance needs to be reinforced. Ruble, preferably long.
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          Ruble, preferably long.

          So it used to be strengthened.
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      But the author does not want to look at the demographic map of China. Exploiting the prevailing opinion that China will seize the Far East and Siberia by the fact that the Chinese will come there from all over China. The provinces bordering Russia, although more populated than our regions, have a very small population compared to the southeastern regions of China. And Hainan or Shenzhen are much more desirable places for the Chinese.
      Regarding the fact that our elite has long sold the entire territory of the country and is waiting only for a convenient moment to officially consolidate this fact. I hear this since the beginning of the 90s, and things are still there.
      And of course, one cannot fail to mention the beloved by the all-wearers: - they have houses there, children, money. I want to remind you that since the Middle Ages, the whole European nobility, including ours, has been in kinship with each other. Sometimes in a very close relationship, sometimes not so much. But this did not stop them from fighting each other when it was necessary.
      For example, in the description of the Battle of Kearsey, I did not meet the mention that in the British camp there was talk about the fact that Edward 3 was a Frenchman. He has a family from Anjou. Now he’ll hand over everything to Philip 6.
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  22. Mihail2019 22 January 2020 14: 47 New
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    One way is to abolish income tax for individuals for permanent residents. To the people in Siberia and the Far East, one hell, once or twice, and miscalculated - the budget will not falter. But as one of the incentives - quite. Yes, and purely because of climate conditions, people can still be less torn ..
    1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 15: 24 New
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      it will not work. registration and real residence are not always the same. besides, you’ll lose more than you gain because I suppose at least children, and here holidays are born a year, you need at least two with departure to other climatic zones. in the summer, in addition to mosquitoes and other joys, like poplars and allergies, humidity is 100 percent at a temperature of 30+.
      1. Mihail2019 22 January 2020 16: 02 New
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        Well, I only suggested as an option. To work officially and not on duty and receive income in the same region where it is registered - and the issue is resolved. Well we're talking about permanent residents.
        Yes, in principle, there are a lot of options - but the essence is the same, you should not tear three skins from a skinny cow. Maybe then the population growth will begin in Siberia and the Far East.
        1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 16: 11 New
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          Yes, I understand) I mean that all this is not enough) housing? there is no point in a system where mortgages really work. salaries more than in the whole country? Well, maybe several times only, but these people just make money and dump it back. I’m just for my service, and before that, as a child, when my father served, I saw how, after retirement, officers left in large numbers. it was just a temporary place for the sake of service and other things. it’s hard to live there. Of course, you can stir up the construction of the next century, but when it ends, they will all go back in the same way. the only thing that will save in modern realities is the enlargement of cities to the level of megacities. with the transfer to them of all fully controlling state systems for these regions. so that large companies move there. from the capitals. only this will not happen because we have 9 time zones) and we must live with this reality.
          1. Mihail2019 22 January 2020 16: 19 New
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            Well, about the climate - yes, not sugar at all. And then the midge with mosquitoes in the wild - this is that song! But in winter everything is in order! laughing wink
            European Russia is suffering right now - there is no snow! And with us - at least send freight trains, it still will not become smaller! laughing
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 16: 32 New
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              Yes, what a winter))) January month on the street minus 12 as many) without a cap FIG knows how many years I go. the hood is enough) although again, at such humidity, the minus temperature is not as tolerated as in the west. but try the youth educated and promising in these joys drag out. )
              1. Mihail2019 22 January 2020 17: 45 New
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                Well, my relatives left for Crimea three years ago. So now the tribe came to school holidays (16 years old for a guy) - he says: “I don’t want to leave, what for, I need this Crimea, everything burns out in the summer, you have to hide from the heat in the afternoon, in the winter there are four months of the off-season, like autumn here! For three years it’s snow 5 -7 times seen! I do not want to go back !! " laughing
                So here any opinion takes place to be ..
                1. Tersky 22 January 2020 18: 34 New
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                  Quote: Michael2019
                  "I don’t want to leave, what for I need this Crimea, in the summer everything burns out, in the afternoon you have to hide, in the winter four months of the off-season, like autumn here! For three years I saw snow 5-7 times! I don’t want to go back !!"

                  laughing Get used to it, I have lived my entire conscious life in such a climate. Our winter is certainly not ice, -2 is enough and you already want summer when the thermometer rises to +48. As for the snow, they were still lucky, we have seen snow twice in three winters. They say Northern Caucasus.... request
                  1. Mihail2019 22 January 2020 18: 42 New
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                    I was in Novorossiysk on one of my business trips there at the end of October. And just their famous Bora has happened! I cursed everything: in two or three minutes I got to the bone! Well, nafig - better in Neryungri or Yakutsk in January at minus 57 !!!
                    So I don’t know if the tribe will get used to it .. wink
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                      Now there are no such Nord-skeleton. The latter was more or less serious in 2011. There were no winds like those that blew in the 90s after 2000. Climat is changing. We already have no snow in winter.
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                January month on the street minus 12 as many as possible) without a hat FIG knows how many years I go. Hood and enough)

                And we already had minus 27 ... I’m bragging about it. True, only three to four days. almost 72 laughing But the snow really got it. Tortured garage dig out
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        it's not gonna go.

        The abolition of VAT in a single district - a ride! wink
  23. Obi-Wan Kenobi 22 January 2020 14: 48 New
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    It is hard to believe, but in such conditions only ... true Russian patriots survive. Loud words?

    Nonsense is everything, not big words.
    I admit that all, literally all the people who live there are Patriots with a capital letter.
    But they do not live there because patriots or they really like it, although this may be so.
    And they live there, because they have nowhere else to go. Nobody is waiting for them anywhere. And these people simply do not have money to buy new housing in another city, in the west of Russia.
    My friends live in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. In general, take a word, live in Kaliningrad, Sochi, Krasnodar, Ryazan, well, I don’t know where else, write yourself, it’s better than in the Far East. Probably worse only in the Arctic Circle.
    In my humble opinion...
    1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 15: 23 New
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      Been to Sakhalin. Often. Do you think we have a better climate in the Northwest?
  24. pavelpavel 22 January 2020 14: 50 New
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    The reduction in population and the ban on ruble lending to businesses are subject to the definition of government as a colonial administration. It is interesting that all officials interested in protecting statehood observe this and show tolerance. Tolerance is not a demonstration of resistance to evil, violence and lawlessness. Since when have demonstrations become free again?
  25. Sergej1972 22 January 2020 14: 51 New
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    According to statistics, the resident population of the Tyumen region (with its districts, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug) and its cities is constantly growing.
  26. protoss 22 January 2020 14: 51 New
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    On the one hand, from the point of view of the state, it is necessary to populate the eastern regions. On the other hand, from the point of view of a specific person who has one life, it is better to live where it is better - i.e. where climate, infrastructure, etc. etc.
    Now try to convince this particular person that the interests of the state are more important to him than the interests of his family.
  27. Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2020 15: 11 New
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    As a person who lived on Sakhalin for many years, bypassed almost the entire Far East on ships, visited from dozens of days to a year in more than three dozen big and small cities and towns of Primorye, the Khabarovsk Territory, Sakhalin, repeatedly visited Magadan, Petropavlovsk, and Shikotan, Kunashira, Iturup, I can say that I almost completely agree with Alexander and share his concern. Yes, I was there a long time ago, back in Soviet times. But since then I have been closely following the changes taking place there. Yes, it is clear that some changes are taking place there, something has changed for the better. But, it seems to me, little and not everywhere. The reason, I believe, is the lack of attention and funds allocated by the center. Enough to polish and lick Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's time to deal with the rest of Russia! And it is necessary to begin the restoration of the development of the Far East and the North with the primary construction of normal housing. Then the youth will stretch. TOTALLY agree with the last paragraph! But I doubt that in today's Russian realities this is possible.
    1. bk316 22 January 2020 17: 10 New
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      Enough to polish and lick Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's time to deal with the rest of Russia!

      In principle, I agree with this Muscovite. Well, I don’t know why, once a year, the tiles are stopped and the borders in the yards are changed. But this alone will not help population growth in Siberia. I already wrote why.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2020 17: 33 New
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        You know, if the tiles and borders were not stopped in the courtyards of Moscow annually, but two years later by a third, and even something to save on, then, I think, over 10 years it would be possible to equip all of Siberia. And young people from well-maintained Siberia would not be so eager to leave for prosperous Moscow, which Muscovites would be glad of (or else "they came here!"). And the children remaining in Siberia would have gone, the growth of the Siberian population would have begun ... And there, you see, it would have come to the Far East, the Kuril Islands have come ... I don’t know how recently the numbers turned up are true, but it’s stated that HALF funds for the improvement of RUSSIA is mastered by Moscow. I am by no means against the REASONABLE beautification of capitals, but there is a reasonable limit! smile
        1. bk316 22 January 2020 19: 11 New
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          And young people from well-maintained Siberia wouldn’t be so anxious to leave for prosperous Moscow,

          I already wrote in another thread. But you either did not read or did not understand. I will explain.
          Although all Siberian cities can be tiled, even if Moscow Ring Road is built around each settlement, you can even build residential buildings, only THIS WILL NOT STOP YOUNG PEOPLE FROM MOVING TO MOSCOW.
          Because young people are not going to Moscow for livability. A large number of cities in the Russian Federation are more comfortable than Moscow, and go to Moscow. BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.
          And the possibilities here are a priori incomparably higher.
          This is due to
          - metropolitan position
          - a huge infrastructure (you can’t build one in 10 or 20 years)
          - geographical location
          - huge market
          Well, where will you find a city in Siberia with 15 MILLION WORKPLACES, and the Moscow metropolitan area is just that.


          I’ll tell you more when I retire, I’ll definitely leave Moscow, because it’s hard to live in Moscow and no money from the tiles will change that.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2020 19: 23 New
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            You know, I don’t have much time to read. Therefore, I did not read your words in another thread. Only I do not agree with you. I believe (I believe, like all residents of NOT Moscow) that OPPORTUNITIES should not be concentrated in several cities of the European part of Russia, but more or less evenly distributed throughout the country.

            Funny moment. While working in the Far East, I had several summer vacations in the Crimea and the Caucasus (the Black Sea is still much better for recreation than the Okhotsk, Bering and even the Japanese). What's so funny? Each time there was a strong feeling that I was in Moscow: Muscovites were all around.
            1. bk316 22 January 2020 19: 29 New
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              I believe (I believe, like all residents of NOT Moscow) that OPPORTUNITIES should not be concentrated in several cities of the European part of Russia, but more or less evenly distributed throughout the country.

              So I think so too. Just how to fix it?
              None of the points that I have listed can be changed either for the budget of Moscow or for the budget of all of Russia. Moreover, for no money .....
              Maybe new technologies will change it, but most likely (it’s the matter), a mega-agglomeration of Moscow and the surrounding areas will arise. And 70% of the country's population will live there.
              The first step has been taken if earlier from my door to Tver it was 3 or more hours, now it’s easy and a half - you can already go to work ....
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            Quote: bk316
            BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

            So you need to create these opportunities, and people will stretch. I am not a fan of the United States, but they have a consumer tax, an analogue of our VAT, remains directly in place, and does not go to the capital, as we do.
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I am not a fan of the United States, but they have a consumer tax, an analogue of our VAT, remains directly in place, and does not go to the capital, as we do

              Man, in the Russian Federation VAT does not go to the capital, but to the federal budget wink

              Moreover, the capital will benefit from your proposal to “leave it in place” (surprise-and-iiii!) belay

              Logic, Ingvar, where is your logic?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              So you need to create these features.

              Can you tell me how? Let's laugh together ...

              About VAT, for example, you have already very successfulabout it turned out laughing
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                Man, in the Russian Federation VAT does not go to the capital, but to the federal budget

                Kisa, has the capital ceased to be a federal center? belay
                For the rest of your inarticulate phrases nothing is clear, if you want to ask a question - formulate it normally. If the processor pulls. wink
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                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  and the capital ceased to be a federal center?

                  No, I didn’t stop. But VAT does not go "to the capital", but to the budget of the Russian Federation laughing

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  For the rest of your slurred phrases, nothing is clear

                  Is mail really bad? Ok, one more time:

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  the capital will benefit from your proposal to “leave it in place” (surprise-and-iiii!)

                  What's not clear? Where VAT is paid more - in Moscow or in the village. Gadyukino?

                  Now this VAT goes to the budget of the Russian Federation, from where, in particular, subsidies are paid to the respective regions.

                  Your proposal will stupidly leave this VAT “in place”. That is, in Moscow. And no subsidies to you belay

                  I think the inhabitants of the village. Gadyukino your offer will not be appreciated.

                  And, yes ... throw rudeness, buddy. It is extremely unhealthy. yes
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                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Now this VAT goes to the budget of the Russian Federation, from where, in particular, subsidies are paid to the respective regions.

                    Do not be fooled by Kees, the abolition of VAT in individual regions is primarily a reduction in the tax burden on residents of these regions. It is necessary to proceed from this in the first place.
                    And for subsidies - the Samara region pays more VAT than many regions, and horseradish with oil subsidies.
                    In 2018 VAT collected in Russia - 3,6 trillion. rubles and allocated in the form of subsidies 675 mln.rub. With mathematics, are we friends? wink
                    And by the way, I recommend taking an interest in the amount of subsidies from the Amur and Sakhalin regions. Here Sasha Staver is 100% right.
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                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      VAT cancellation in individual regions, this is primarily

                      This makes no sense. Let me remind you, it used to be

                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I'm not a fan of the US, but they have a consumer tax, an analogue of our VAT, remains directly in place

                      You already decide there for yourself what you want for something ... then come in and talk.
    2. Tersky 22 January 2020 18: 36 New
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      Enough to polish and lick Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's time to deal with the rest of Russia!

      Golden words .... they would also be in the ears ...
      1. Svarog51 22 January 2020 20: 37 New
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        Victor hi They would be in the ears of those who Far East and Siberia oversees.
        P.S. Give me Alyasochka back (s) Lube. It will also not be superfluous. good
  28. Sahalinets 22 January 2020 15: 14 New
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    Well, I live on Sakhalin, visit the Kuril Islands, communicate with the Kuril people. The region’s main problem is the robbery of Moscow. The budget has for some time become very decent, but Moscow once again robbed the islands.
    In the Kuril Islands. Severo-Kurilsk is a tin. Iturup is just well developed, roads are being built, a new airport has been opened. A lot of things are also being built in Kunashir. Things are going on in Shikotan, a new school was built, and a new fish factory has recently been opened. If not for Moscow, things would have gone much better. But alas ...
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    Demography is not only a problem of having children. This is the problem of uniform population of the country. - Golden words
  30. Roman070280 22 January 2020 15: 20 New
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    "Trumps" in the hands of the Japanese we gave in 1855. It was then that, according to the Shimodsk treaty (February 7, 1855), Japan received Iturup and Kunashir, the islands of the Lesser Kuril ridge, and Sakhalin, though as an undivided territory. In 1875, we signed a new agreement (St. Petersburg Territory Exchange Agreement), according to which Sakhalin became Russian, and all the Kuril Islands Japanese.

    In 1905, after a defeat in the Russo-Japanese war, we again surrendered the southern part of Sakhalin and the islands of Japan (Portsmouth Peace Treaty on September 5, 1905, territories south of the 50th parallel). Thus, for 40 years, Japan gained possession of the Kuril Islands and part of Sakhalin.

    After the defeat in World War II, Japan signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender (September 2, 1945) and fully accepted the obligations to implement the decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. The islands of the Kuril ridge were transferred to the USSR.

    The borders of Japan were reduced to 4 large islands and many small islands of the Japanese archipelago.

    Officially, the Kuril Islands were incorporated into the USSR on February 2, 1946. By 1949, all Japanese living on the islands were deported to Hokkaido.



    It is enough to read only this to understand that nothing lasts forever .. everything comes and goes at different times ..
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    So that not severe peasants would come to the Arctic, but young couples and just live ...

    Dear Author, Do you know a lot of countries where young families live in large numbers in the Arctic? In Canada, for example, these are the same severe peasant shift workers and a small number of local people in the villages to serve them.
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    1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 16: 38 New
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      "Top" is not up to it now. They are busy with what would not push them away from the feeder in the process of "constitutional reforms" to vest the Fairytale with life-long powers.


      Deutscheletle is also against such reforms. I read an article today - as according to Western experts - Russia is doing poorly with these reforms

      And unlike you, the mouthpieces of German and Anglo-Saxon propaganda - can not afford to call Putin that - Dada, even these garbage can not yet allow themselves this. In Ukraine, such headlines are the norm. They can even cooler

      You would also read the western press. There are many blanks. You can directly copy and paste the denunciations of "this power" in "this country"

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        Quote: c-Petrov
        I read an article today - as according to Western experts - Russia is doing poorly with these reforms

        Something you, Mr. Petrov, with Western experts have beguiled. Reforms were launched not by Russia, but by Putin and Co.
        can't afford to call that Putin

        And what did he do wrong to them? Putin’s gas supplies regularly, they’re always ready for discounts, they take goods, they store and spend money, they teach children, they pay contributions to PACE, they don’t expand the CSTO to the west, they call friends and partners.
        You would also read the western press. There are many blanks.

        If you are used to the training manual, do not impose on others. Moreover, I am equally in favor of Deutschewell or against reforms.
        1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 17: 30 New
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          Moreover, I am equally in favor of Deutschewell or against reforms.


          okay on deutschewell. But even though you respect Khodorkovsky with his MBH and Opinion of Udaltsov, broadcast through the mouthpiece of Khodorkovsky? Or is it better to quote Echo of Moscow, or is it possible to Medusa? It’s definitely not subordinate to the tentacles of the Kremlin



          Feel what serious twinning with you?



          And what did he do wrong to them?


          well, he also did only good to Ukrainians (

    2. St Petrov 22 January 2020 16: 59 New
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      look what guys. Have you subscribed, like?



      even the party is against!



      but how they made it with "Fairytale". I directly see you with the Deutschele twin. You have one goal. One hope. One front.

      But you will not win

      1. Karabin 22 January 2020 17: 38 New
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        Quote: c-Petrov
        You have one goal. One hope. One front.
        But you will not win

        fool
        Quote: c-Petrov
        and how they worked with Fairytale

        I think repeat hurt someone's religious feelings
        1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 17: 41 New
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          and sho it? isn’t there one goal? Or do you doubt my words about your failure?) Oh well, that you are modest. You even write plus minus the same way. Well, with the Censor. No.

          hurt someone's religious feelings


          do you think the words of an adult (this is a very important clarification, I think) can hurt me, men who distort the name of the commander in chief and president, for whom 40 million compatriots voted?

          I would then be offended by offended gabunyats, Baltic tigers and Poles and patriots from the outskirts. But they cause me only a smirk and a little pity.

          Like our patient opposition, it causes about the same set of feelings in me.

          Even Novodvorskaya, Latynina, and Atlokh with Svarog do not hurt my feelings when they say that our people are not the same. I bet this is always ready.
          1. Karabin 22 January 2020 17: 55 New
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            isn’t there one goal?

            And which one?
            Quote: c-Petrov
            I think the words of an adult (this is a very important clarification, I think) can hurt me, men who distort the name of the commander in chief and president,

            I think yes. Although the name, God forgive me, I did not touch the president.
            Quote: c-Petrov
            our patient opposition gives me about the same set of feelings

            And here I agree!
            1. St Petrov 22 January 2020 18: 10 New
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              And which one?


              1. Putin must leave. 2. The Constitution shall not be amended. 3. As ideally: a coup, maidan, pots and the path to a brighter future

              Or it seemed to me?

              I think yes.


              after monitoring foreign commentators and local sad ones, they’re vryatli, something can hurt me. What I have not read. Even when they start to write about “mothers”, it’s already familiar. What such characters still have. To take a steam bath because of this audience .. No, vryatli.

              Although the name, God forgive me, I did not touch the president.

              I am not a prosecutor. What you really are.

              1. Karabin 22 January 2020 19: 25 New
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                1. Putin must leave.

                Yes, after the presidency in 24 years. Or earlier, if you suddenly get tired. As a guarantor of compliance with the law in the country. It's my opinion. Is this my goal? The goal of the village teacher is to overthrow Putin! You yourself are not funny? It’s the same as the goal of Mr. Petrov to prevent Putin from leaving. I immediately remember "Haberdashery and cardinal will save France" laughing
                Is Putin’s departure the goal of DW? I also strongly doubt that the media would set the goal of leaving anyone. And why should the Western world overthrow the GDP. After all, everything is fine. Under Putin, the Russian Federation continues to degrade technologically, economically and demographically and is in different weight categories with the West. Why intervene in what suits you.
  33. serg. 75 22 January 2020 16: 54 New
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    There was a way to such a settlement of Siberia, thousands of 2-3 dispossessed on barges and away into the wilderness. You live there now, and nobody even needs to pay. hi
    1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 17: 07 New
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      There was also the Soviet way of settling Siberia. The ban on residence in large cities after the end of the sentence.
  34. saygon66 22 January 2020 16: 57 New
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    - And no wonder! While the traders are in power - everything that can be sold will be sold! Amen!am
  35. Sergey10789 22 January 2020 17: 07 New
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    And what ?! Related article !!! Seriously. Everyone squeals “we won’t give it back, we won’t let it go”, but in fact everything is being dumped from there, and no one is being dumped there. Then the question is: why the yelp ?! By the way, this problem concerns not only Siberia, the Far East and the Arctic. This topic is also relevant in the European part, for example, for the Saratov region ... We boast over a huge territory, and use 20 percent for living. So even if the Chinese then accept Russian citizenship and move there, build cities and towns, infrastructure, maybe even then these lands will become attractive to other citizens.
    1. Sergej1972 22 January 2020 20: 30 New
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      Canadians have a much smaller percentage of the territory populated. So in our case, in any case, no more than 30% of the territory can be densely populated. Do you propose to populate the tundra, forest-tundra, zone of Arctic deserts? What for?
      1. Sergey10789 25 January 2020 15: 07 New
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        Why focus on Canadians ?! Canada is much smaller than Russia. And anyway ... What's the habit of comparing with someone ?!
        1. Sergej1972 25 January 2020 16: 18 New
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          Canada is a huge country in territory, the second in the world after us. And in terms of climatic conditions, we are very similar in many respects. Although the climate in the main resettlement zone of Canada is softer compared to our main resettlement zone.
  36. Madness 22 January 2020 17: 15 New
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    What is the author Staver, such provocative articles often began to write ..? What is it for ? People and so pissed ..
    Russia just distributed huge territories to the “brothers” with all industry, etc. (Russians were simply kicked out and ... you know what they were doing .. And now they are still yelling about compensations and benefits ..
    And the Kuril Islands, it’s like Crimea for us .. If we give it back, we’ll sell it, then everyone thinks there is no Russia, as a state and a Russian nation ..
    I remember that Yeltsin had already gathered in Japan to give the Kuril Islands .. But, thank God, there were people in his circle who did not allow this to be spoken, or to drink a “guarantor” and he forgot about it .. hi
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  37. Andrzej k 22 January 2020 17: 25 New
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    In 1875 year we signed a new agreement (St. Petersburg Territory Exchange Agreement), according to which Sakhalin became Russian, and all the Kuril Islands Japanese.

    In 1905, after the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, we again surrendered the southern part of Sakhalin and the islands of Japan (Portsmouth Peace Treaty on September 5, 1905, territories south of the 50th parallel). Thus, for 40 years, Japan gained possession of the Kuril Islands and part of Sakhalin.


    I see some inaccuracy in these first two paragraphs. The Kuril Islands became Japanese for at least 70 years, not 40

    After the defeat in World War II, Japan signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender (September 2, 1945) and fully accepted the obligations to implement the decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. The islands of the Kuril ridge were transferred to the USSR.

    The borders of Japan were reduced to 4 large islands and many small islands of the Japanese archipelago.

    Officially, the Kuril Islands are included in the USSR February 2, 1946


    Decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. if I’m not mistaken, they do not belong to the Kuril Islands. Only in paragraph 8 was it written:

    8. The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine.


    Japan, while it concluded a peace treaty with the United States on September 8, 1951, but did not sign an agreement with the USSR or Russia. It is difficult to determine the ownership of the islands of Russia, since the contract does not yet exist.

    The inclusion of islands by both Catherine II and the USSR has nothing to do with international law - it is rather a policy of a fait accompli.

    Not surprisingly, Japan lost the war, and the USSR took what it considered appropriate from a position of strength.

    And while Russia is strong, the Kuril Islands will remain within the borders of Russia. I can’t imagine anyone in Russia letting me give this territory away. And right !!!

    He writes about this without emotion, without judging - enjoying only the fact that there are no territorial claims between our countries, because then ... it was completely scary.
    1. Avior 23 January 2020 00: 16 New
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      Decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. if I’m not mistaken, they do not belong to the Kuril Islands. Only in paragraph 8 was it written:

      do not apply on the basis of the Cairo Declaration referred to in the quote.
      But you mistakenly think that the USSR took what it wanted.
      There are also Yalta agreements in which the transfer of the Kuril Islands is expressly stipulated.
      Another thing is the contradiction between the Potsdam Declaration and the Yalta Agreements, but the USSR acted strictly on the Yalta Agreements on this issue.
      http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/194502krym.php
      The Yalta Agreement of the Three Great Powers on the Far East
      ....
      The leaders of the three great powers - the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain - agreed that two to three months after the surrender of Germany and the end of the war in Europe, the Soviet Union would enter the war against Japan on the side of the allies, subject to:

      .

      2. The restoration of the rights belonging to Russia, violated by the treacherous attack of Japan in 1904, namely:

      a) the return to the Soviet Union of the southern part of Fr. Sakhalin and all the islands adjacent to it,

      b) the internationalization of the trading port of Dairen, ensuring the priority interests of the Soviet Union in this port and the restoration of leases for Port Arthur, as the naval base of the USSR,

      c) the joint operation of the Sino-Eastern Railway and the South Manchurian Railway, which gives access to Dairen, on the basis of the organization of a mixed Soviet-Chinese Society with the primary interests of the Soviet Union, while keeping in mind that China retains full sovereignty in Manchuria.
      3. Transfers to the Soviet Union of the Kuril Islands.
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      The Heads of Government of the Three Great Powers agreed that these claims of the Soviet Union should be unconditionally satisfied after the victory over Japan.
      .

      1945, February 11

      J. Stalin

      Franklin Roosevelt

      Winston Churchill

      Source: Foreign Policy of the Soviet Union during the Patriotic War, T.Z.M, 1947, pp. 111-112

      hi
      1. Andrzej k 23 January 2020 17: 12 New
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        How will the meeting in Yalta be mandatory for Japan in accordance with international law?

        Moreover, at that time the USSR was indebted to Japan by the nonaggression pact of April 13, 1941.

        The Yalta agreements were a violation of the non-aggression pact by the USSR, in particular paragraphs 1 and 2 of the pact.

        "
        Article one: Both Contracting Parties undertake to maintain peaceful and friendly relations between them and mutually respect the territorial integrity and inviolability of the other Contracting Party.
        Article two: Should one of the Contracting Parties become the object of hostilities on the part of one or several third powers, the other Contracting Party will observe neutrality throughout the duration of the conflict. "


        Moreover, the
        The Yalta Conference is not legally binding for Japan. No - except for the law of power.

        Only in the world the law applies only to gray citizens, while the states have their own interests. And when they are not comfortable with the law, they ignore them

        In the same way, here - Russia has the Kuril Islands, because they won them in violation of their international obligations under an agreement signed before April 13, 1946. As a result of undoubted aggression from the point of view of international law.

        Is aggression justified not to say the right one? Yes, of course yes - Japan in alliance with Hitler was on the wrong side - by the way, she started the war in December 1941 - so she only reaped the harvest of her wrong policy.

        However, legally, until a peace treaty is concluded between Russia and Japan, the Russian Kuril Islands are actual, not legal
        1. Avior 23 January 2020 17: 20 New
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          Wrong. The war against Japan is not formally an aggression; there is a UN decision in this regard.
          But it was another matter — that the USSR knew what he wanted, and this is not true.
          In fact, I took what was agreed with the Allies in Yalta
          1. Andrzej k 23 January 2020 17: 55 New
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            But what is the name of an armed invasion of another country, a struggle with its armed forces, if not aggression. Do you say UN? Then he was not, and the USSR (as Russia is now) is a member of the Permanent Council and has the right to veto if it weren’t. In addition, on August 9, 1945, the CCCP openly declared war on Japan - meaning aggression.

            In fact, I took what was agreed with the Allies in Yalta

            only that these agreements with the Allies have no legal force, and Japan is not legally bound by them. From the word at all. No, no, in fact there are the Kuril Islands in Russia, and that will not change anything.
  38. 1536 22 January 2020 17: 28 New
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    We will give the ears of the dead donkey to the Japanese on their Japanese aspic, and not the Kuril Islands.
    The question is, why all the time to talk about some kind of "returns" of our land?
  39. olimpiada15 22 January 2020 17: 45 New
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    Good article, patriotic and correct. I also love the country and with all my heart I wish you development and prosperity. But as a pragmatist, I’ll say that all good wishes will be broken about a reality called capitalism, where business profits are our everything. At any cost, to the detriment of any human values, human lives, nature, development of production. The main thing is to squeeze everything out of today's situation, but there even though the grass does not grow. Moreover, big business has no interests in the country, the whole point of their life outside the country: there are children and grandchildren, there are houses and yachts, there are bank accounts, there is rest and fun. And there is nothing to do with the state, except for pumping money out of the country.
  40. starev 22 January 2020 18: 00 New
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    [quote = Svarog] That's what it is about .. not a business should control the state but a state business [/ quote
    Do you go in a sting with this state control of your business! Regulated everything completely.
    In Perm, we held a competition for the design of a water park .... Not a single company has been announced
    Competition for the completion of the zoo - no volunteers.
    Etc. Few people in their right mind already want to get in touch with municipal officials!
    Talked yesterday with the head of a construction organization. He won the time months ago in a row to build a kindergarten. He compared the project with reality and refused the contract.
    So, yes, more state control over entrepreneurs! Let the FSB officers learn to bake bread, officials from the Ministry of Industry learn to work on CNC machines, etc. Because the mood of small business in the country is: "... than working in such conditions, it is better not to work at all ...".
    It is not enough to have, for example, a turner. We also need an IP or director of an LLC, who will buy him a machine for work, provide orders and build a production workshop for work.
    For IP to want to get all this, he must have confidence that he will not be taken away from him on far-fetched charges. That in court, the IP will have the opportunity to prove their point of view. And now.....
    So there is more state control! Run to Gosplan!
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  41. bullet 22 January 2020 18: 13 New
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    We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war

    Well, the Kuril Islands is clear to whom you are going to give. But Siberia, someone decided to vparit?
  42. nikvic46 22 January 2020 18: 18 New
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    I don’t think that resettlement is a waste. I looked at the difference in food prices. If earlier this difference between the north and the middle strip was a penny. But there was an abundance of products. We live under a different system. About ten states were exempted from taxes in the USA. The calculation was simple. Business has flocked to these regions. Of course, one should not blindly copy. But something needs to be done. The will of those who have power is needed. Now even they go to the center from the Volga to get a good job. But the fact is that all work should be well paid. In many countries, it is even considered bad form to ask about a salary. If you work, then it’s provided.
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      No states in the United States were exempt from taxes. In fact, the Americans have three parallel tax systems: federal, state and municipal. And each level of government collects taxes independently.
  43. Tomich3 22 January 2020 18: 19 New
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    "We do not want to lose the country, which means that we must urgently change the direction of migration flows. Return youth to the eastern regions!"
    The author swims in some sort of pink dreams. Siberia and the Far East have long been given to the Chinese. I’m saying this as a Siberian. Even officials come to work on a rotational basis.
  44. parusnik 22 January 2020 18: 20 New
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    Return youth to the eastern regions!
    .... with diplomas of lawyers, accountants and economists, programmers ... gave birth to children, built cities, factories, railways ... smile
  45. bistrov. 22 January 2020 18: 22 New
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    The author is imprisoned for provocative slogans.
    1. domokl 23 January 2020 10: 21 New
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      Huh ... I'm already in Siberia ... Now only in the Arctic ..
  46. Dzungar 22 January 2020 18: 23 New
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    As far as I know, those who have left for the west of the country, or are planning to, but I mean pensioners, all have one argument - TIRED THESE COLD, FROST ..! I WANT TO HEAT ..! Moreover, everyone understands that there are no more amenities in the west of the country, and medical and social security are not better, and nature is definitely not better .... Everyone really wants to go where it is warmer, to Krasnodar somewhere, to the sea, to Black, maybe Baltic .... Maybe they are not saying something, maybe they are really afraid of some kind of Chinese threat in the future, maybe some kind of one, but now everyone who moves to the West is going to heat. In short, they want a good life. And what kind of power is this - it seems like it doesn’t matter ..... And young people are probably a different conversation, other reasons. They have only one answer - do they have to do ...? ...
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      Aphorism - "It is good where we are not."
    2. saygon66 25 January 2020 22: 29 New
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      - It is what it is! People are going to the Far West ... they are going. Perhaps without suspecting that he was changing his watch to his underpants ....
      - There is practically no production, the service market is limited - in the entire Kaliningrad region there are about two million (!) People ... From here, young people travel to earn money in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
      - And, due to the small territory, resources are limited - the forest (mostly planted artificially) is nullified, gas is pumped "to the mainland", although the region is not completely gasified. Now they’re still going to dig a quarry - to get potash salts ... What remains after production can be seen in Prokopyevsk and Kisilevsk, the Kemerovo region ... But Siberia is at least big ... there all the disgraces are smeared with a thin layer, and here the whole region - 8 hours on the bike ... Through and through ...
      - Landfills, environmental pollution as a result of illiterate business activities, the dominance of foreigners ...
      - Welcome to the warm West ...
  47. Guazdilla 22 January 2020 18: 36 New
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    So, in the years 1635-37 the Japanese learn about the existence of these islands inhabited by the Ainu tribes.

    The distance from Tanfiliev Island to Cape Nosappu, the extreme point of Nemuro, is about 7 km. In clear weather, the shores of Hokkaido are clearly visible from the island.
    So, in the years 1635-37 the weather cleared up.
  48. NordUral 22 January 2020 19: 12 New
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    Hapkam, who has been in power for 30 years, is accessible and close only to this hap method. And with these countries will not.
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  50. bandabas 22 January 2020 19: 45 New
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    Our "tops" are working on their own pockets in England.