We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war

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Have you ever thought about why in the world talk about the transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan does not cease? Why in disputes with foreigners we are constantly told deliberate stupidity about Chinese Siberia and the Far East? Why do neighboring states from time to time suddenly recall some treaties of centuries ago and start a campaign to return the territories allegedly belonging to them under these treaties?

Moreover, no references to other contracts or any other documents are taken into account. “It was signed at gunpoint” (illegal government, puppets of Bolshevik Russia, Soviet proteges). Such an explanation is enough for the people of a neighboring state to live in the belief that Russia (the USSR) is an invader who has already offended its neighbors on the planet for the second millennium.



Even such an asset, which is simply unattainable for other countries, the Northern Sea Route, already quite seriously in some incomprehensible way in the minds of Western politicians, has suddenly become a “world heritage”. And Siberia, with its riches, is already considered as a world pantry of various riches. So what's up?

Now I will say an seditious thought for many. But all these conversations, all these ideas, all these plans are quite realizable. Moreover, in a fairly short historical period these plans, if Russia continues to pursue the same policy as today, will come true. We will give the Kuril Islands and even part of Sakhalin, we will give Siberia. True, regarding the Crimea, Kaliningrad and other European “disputed territories”, such an assumption is doubtful.

I foresee the indignant exclamations of the cheers-patriots that “not an inch of their native land”, “the author has sold out,” “we will stand up for defense with our breasts” and so on. Well, with the slogans we always had a complete order. And with readiness to defend the homeland, too. Even young people, who, in our “veteran” opinion, are no good, have already proved many times that they know how to fight and perform feats no worse than fathers and grandfathers.

Let me remind you the history of the Kuril Islands. By the strokes. So, in the years 1635-37, the Japanese learn about the existence of these islands, inhabited by the Ainu tribes. In 1643, a Dutch expedition led by Martin de Vries explores the islands. Russians, expedition V.V. Atlasova came to the islands in 1697. After 90 years, in 1786, Empress Catherine II, by her decree, included the Kuril archipelago in the Russian Empire.

Trumps in the hands of the Japanese, we gave in 1855. It was then, according to the Shimodsk treatise (February 7, 1855), Japan received Iturup and Kunashir, the islands of the Lesser Kuril Ridge, and Sakhalin, however, as undivided territory. In 1875, we signed a new agreement (St. Petersburg Territory Exchange Agreement), according to which Sakhalin became Russian, and all the Kuril Islands Japanese.

In 1905, after the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, we again surrendered the southern part of Sakhalin and the islands of Japan (Portsmouth Peace Treaty on September 5, 1905, territories south of the 50th parallel). Thus, for 40 years, Japan gained possession of the Kuril Islands and part of Sakhalin.

After the defeat in World War II, Japan signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender (September 2, 1945) and fully accepted the obligations to implement the decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. The islands of the Kuril ridge were transferred to the USSR.

The borders of Japan were reduced to 4 large islands and many small islands of the Japanese archipelago.

Officially, the Kuril Islands were incorporated into the USSR on February 2, 1946. By 1949, all Japanese living on the islands were deported to Hokkaido.

As you can see, the issue of Kuril affiliation is really confusing. Both sides have arguments. But to discuss this topic is stupid. The latter decision, especially since it is officially enshrined in the USSR, and therefore Russia, is final today.

Now a simple question. We evicted the Japanese from our territories. Did we populate them ourselves? Have we mastered them? Have we created villages, cities, infrastructure on the islands? Have several generations of Russian people been living there? Have we kept what was created in Soviet times?

A little bit of memories of another region. About the Arctic. I once went to Vorkuta on business affairs a couple of times. The only thing that surprised me, but it was in early January, was that I did not even have time to shave from dawn to dusk. That is, when he went to shave, the window was early morning, very early, when the darkness was already leaving, but the sun had not yet risen, and when he returned, it was night.

Otherwise, it was an ordinary city, or rather, part of the city, the village of Vorgashor. Mothers with children went to the kindergarten and nursery along the streets. Schoolchildren fled. Gradually replaced the miners. Even local indigenous people from the tundra attacked the nearest store and loaded boxes of frozen fish and other goods onto sledges. And the deer looked at it lazily.

A couple of years ago, I decided to recall those trips. The benefit of the Internet today allows you to see almost any place from the sofa. I saw ... Hiroshima! Abandoned quarters of five-story Khrushchev buildings. Broken windows. Overgrown roads. Though a movie shoot about the atomic bombing. The people are gone.

But the same picture today in almost all of the Trans-Urals and the Arctic. People abandon their native land and go west. It’s scary to write about it, but, for example, the population of my region, according to official data for September 2019, daily, I repeat: daily, decreases by 8 people.

Today, the television "went wild" after a speech by President Putin. “Let's solve the demographic problem!” “We need to make young people love children!” And the like on all channels. And what to make her? There are many children. And there are no problems with demography ... In Moscow and the cities nearest to it. There are many kids today. They will grow up and go to solve the problem of demography in the western part of Russia.

Sometimes they write to me that the Russians (in the broad sense of the word) will not disappear from Siberian or Far Eastern lands. Business will stimulate the local population. Forcing young people to stay at home, and not wander around the rented corners in the suburbs. Oh really?

And what is the use of business from cities on Sakhalin, in the Arctic, on the islands? Look today at the oil producing regions of Western Siberia. Cities are dying successfully! Where they once fled, as in Soviet Vorkuta, children, now severe peasants who arrived for three months or six months on duty. Earn money and go home! And this is just the beginning of the process.

Today shift workers are traveling from many regions of Russia and the neighboring, once Soviet, foreign countries. And tomorrow who will go? Who is closer to carry? The same Chinese. Business, nothing personal. It’s just that the house where the money you’ll be taken will change the address. Instead of some Kherson there will be Chongqing or something else. Instead of Tatar, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Azerbaijani there will be a Chinese.

Remember Putin's proposal on September 12, 2018 to sign a peace treaty with Japan without preconditions? Do you remember the Japanese response?

This is not to say that the state does not understand this. Indeed, according to the stories of the inhabitants of the islands, "life has become more fun." Money went to the islands. Here is the opinion of regional officials on this issue almost a year ago. Chairman of the Public Chamber of the Sakhalin Region Vladimir Ikonnikov:

The vast majority of the population of the islands considers them to be an integral part of Russia, because the state supports them not in words but in deeds. The Kuril Islands are actively developing. For example, a modern airport has been built on Iturup, fish and seafood processing plants are being created and developed on Shikotan.


Sakhalin deputy Natalya Korshunova:

Health care is developing, technical equipment of social institutions and personnel issues are improving, schools and kindergartens are being built. If earlier there were wooden buildings and there were no gyms and visual aids, then today all this is.
Housing is being built, factories are opening and operating - factories have been restored and new workshops built on Shikotan, the same in Yuzhno-Kurilsk. Parks and squares are developing today, roads are paved - cities and towns in the Kuril Islands often look better than the cities of Central Russia.


But people on the islands from this no longer! And will not! People do not want to live in harsh conditions and at the same time feel isolated from a large country. It is hard to believe, but in such conditions only ... true Russian patriots survive. Loud words?

No, that's right. People living on the edge of the earth, surviving in harsh conditions, without really thinking, will protect this land to the last. Can? they won’t be able to say this beautifully, but they won’t leave for sure. In principle, they are already at the forefront. Every minute, hourly, constantly.

In tsarist Russia, in the Russian Empire, in the USSR, the state in every way encouraged the relocation of citizens or citizens to the eastern regions. Someone rode for free, someone for land, someone for fossils, and someone just for romantic reasons. We drove and stayed. Like those who now live on the islands. And they became the basis of Russian statehood in new lands. Defenders of Russia, if you will.

so what? Will we give the islands, Siberia, the Northern Sea Route to foreigners? Will we continue to count the boys and girls who have left? We will master the wealth "hap-way", excuse me, on a rotational basis? Or is it time to create conditions for young people in the eastern regions so that they don’t go to Moscow, but from Moscow?

Demography is not only a problem of having children. This is a problem of uniform population of the country. The problem of creating people like Siberians or islanders in the Kuril Islands. People for whom this harsh land will become a homeland, and not a place where you can quickly "cut the dough."

I don’t know if our leaders understood the essence of the problem. Or, again, will we consider population heads as the national average? But I want to understand. So that some BAM reappears, where young people from all over the country are eager for romance and heroism. So that not severe peasants came to the Arctic, but young couples simply lived. Gave birth to children, built cities, factories, railways ...

We do not want to lose the country, which means that we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Return youth to the eastern regions! Give good prospects for the future, good salaries, good living conditions, preferential housing, the opportunity to relax in the same Crimea in departmental sanatoriums and rest homes. After all, we had all this! ..
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  1. +43
    22 January 2020 13: 38
    If Russia continues to pursue the same policy as today, it will come true.

    It's easy .. with this approach, when officials have only money on their minds .. Alaska was also sold ..
    And what is the use of business from cities on Sakhalin, in the Arctic, on the islands? Look today at the oil producing regions of Western Siberia. Cities are dying successfully! Where they once fled, as in Soviet Vorkuta, children, now severe peasants who arrived for three months or six months on duty. Earn money and go home! And this is just the beginning of the process.

    That’s what it is about .. it’s not business that should be controlled by the state, but by state-owned business.
    I don’t know if our “tops” understood the essence of the problem. Or again, we will “count the population heads” on average in the country.

    I believe that there are no fools at the top .. rather cynical pests ..
    1. -56
      22 January 2020 13: 40
      when officials have only money on their minds.

      in your head only theft from the budget. 99% of posts about it. and also - # soon

      We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war


      if panleugolovye affairs do, then perhaps in a different way. In general, the name of such statues is to be managed at all.

      1. +35
        22 January 2020 13: 44
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        in your head only theft from the budget. 99% of posts about it.

        Petrov, welcome, I haven’t seen it for a long time .. Take off your pink glasses and look at the realities .. The author gives specific facts that already have a place to be .. namely, a decrease in the population of the above regions and a decrease in demography .. All this does not suggest an idea that if this happens, then someone needs it ..?
        1. -40
          22 January 2020 13: 45
          Petrov, welcome, a long time ago it was not visible .. Take off your pink glasses and look at the realities ..

          raced .. stop

          Channel Crimea_Realities from RadioFreedom not to see no? Or do you have your own - Svarog_realii? You can ask for funding, grant. You will be in the stream. It’s all in one, only about Crimea. And you will be more expanded. Well, the franchise logo will even give you



        2. -1
          22 January 2020 14: 08
          Quote: Svarog
          The author gives specific facts.

          These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!
          1. +21
            22 January 2020 14: 09
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Svarog
            The author gives specific facts.

            These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!

            Do you want to say that the population of those regions has been dying out for more than 100 years, that the whole population has been declining for more than 100 years? You are very mistaken.
            1. -10
              22 January 2020 14: 31
              The picture is beautiful. But it has nothing to do with the matter. But beautiful Yes
              1. +23
                22 January 2020 15: 53
                The picture is beautiful. But it has nothing to do with the matter.

                So give your "picture". "On business". From there. From the Russian North and the Far East. Why do you all, "patriots", cling to Moscow and evacuate children from across the Canadas-Americas, while teaching others "for life" and "shattering" are calling? Show by personal example how the Motherland should be "raised from its knees." In practice. You look, and we will see you on the news.


                I will personally collect the parcel with breadcrumbs and stew and send it! laughing
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                  1. +15
                    22 January 2020 16: 43
                    I give permission to "you" and to address in a respectful manner.
                    Otherwise, your path lies along the well-known, familiar, route. I don’t render assistance in collecting the belongings. If there is a misunderstanding, this is not for me.
                    "Yours" have absolutely nothing to do with that Great Victory. On the contrary, "they" partly fled around the world in 1945, some, after military tribunals, went to the next world. For special "services" to the Motherland. It is a pity that the "reward" has not found everyone.
                    On Victory Day I will go out with the Red Banner and battle brothers. But just you wouldn’t hurt.
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                    2. +13
                      22 January 2020 20: 53
                      Quote: lexus

                      On Victory Day I will go out with the Red Banner and battle brothers. But just you wouldn’t hurt.

                      Coming from martial arts combatants is a terrible force ... the question is, why should someone beat to go out under the Banner of Victory? I would not understand that.
                2. -20
                  22 January 2020 19: 10
                  Quote: lexus
                  Lexus

                  You, my friend, are for "Stroporez" today, or what?

                  I feel sorry for you ... nasty work, and unsafe. But - if necessary, then - necessary, go for it Yes
                  1. +13
                    22 January 2020 22: 22
                    Novel hi For Stroporeza now Tikhonmarin. The same Vlad. Already the 41st remembers. Just right to give the Order of Victory.
                3. -5
                  22 January 2020 19: 22
                  What are you all, "patriots", to Moscow press

                  Shake it? am
                  I was born here and my parents were born here and grandfathers were born here.
                  Why should I leave my homeland somewhere?
                  In general, it’s you who are all pushing and pressing for us already 20000000 have pressed .....
                  1. -4
                    23 January 2020 05: 46
                    Shake it? am
                    I was born here and my parents were born here and grandfathers were born here.
                    Why should I leave my homeland somewhere?
                    In general, it’s you who are all pushing and pressing for us already 20000000 have pressed .....

                    Change nickname!
            2. +12
              22 January 2020 14: 40
              Quote: Svarog
              Want to say

              Vladimir, if not for Stolopin, Siberia would have been almost unpopulated, even Komsomol construction sites and camps would not have helped!
              Quote: Svarog
              You are very mistaken.

              What, is that the people from Siberia began to flee 100 years ago? Oh really? My great-great-grandfather was one of the founders of the village of N-Pokrovka in the Kuraginsky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, and out of 6 uncles and my father there was only one uncle, the rest in the 50s rushed to the European part of the USSR!
              1. +4
                25 January 2020 21: 11
                Quote: Serg65
                Quote: Svarog
                Want to say

                Vladimir, if not for Stolopin, Siberia would have been almost unpopulated, even Komsomol construction sites and camps would not have helped!
                Quote: Svarog
                You are very mistaken.

                What, is that the people from Siberia began to flee 100 years ago? Oh really? My great-great-grandfather was one of the founders of the village of N-Pokrovka in the Kuraginsky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, and out of 6 uncles and my father there was only one uncle, the rest in the 50s rushed to the European part of the USSR!

                The USSR clearly understood this, therefore, and fixed the population in place in a bunch of ways: "Komsomol vouchers", the distribution of young specialists, registration, restrictions on residence for "former" and a bunch of other ways ...

                ZY ZIL always had a quota for the "limit" - guest workers at the present. People even then went to Moscow a lot, but Muscovites did not want to work as janitors / on the conveyor belt even then
            3. +4
              24 January 2020 13: 41
              facts for over 100 years since Stolypin also spoke about the need to increase the Russian population in the Far East, when he justified the importance of building the Amur Railway in his speech to the then Duma
          2. -12
            22 January 2020 16: 22
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Svarog
            The author gives specific facts.

            These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!

            I agree, let it be empty for them, on their hundredths. Then maybe dashing take a sip and understand. Yes
          3. +14
            22 January 2020 18: 02
            Quote: Serg65
            These facts are already more than 100 years old, and Siberia and the Kuril Islands are still Russian !!!

            Well now, yes ... and now compare the area of ​​the Russian Empire, say, the sample of the 1900s and the area of ​​modern Russia. The collapse of the USSR is by the way, too, the loss of our lands.
            We do not want to lose the country, which means that we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Return youth to the eastern regions!

            Well, here it’s not only youth that needs to be returned. Here, in general, people need to be settled there ... we look at the percentage of living people in the European part of the Russian Federation and what is from the Urals and beyond. After the Urals, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, only about 30% of the total population of Russia lives in the percentage, but in the European part, which is several times smaller, the remaining 70. Someone will say, almost all the megacities and civilization in the Russian Federation are concentrated in European part ... so what? Is there no life beyond the Urals? Or is there land not land? It’s just that the authorities aren’t itching to somehow make moving to a settled life in those lands attractive.
            You can yourself go at your own risk and risk ... only there is not so much work in comparison with the European part of the Urals on which you can live well and comfortably. Where is all the money? In Moscow, yes, in St. Petersburg, and a bit like that on the periphery.
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              1. +19
                22 January 2020 18: 32
                Quote: bullet
                Where have YOUR lands been lost, if not a secret? In Tajikistan, Armenia or in Latvia?
                Or maybe your land in the city of Washington? Do not be shy.

                That is, in addition to the magazines about Buzova, the young man did not read anything at all ... Well, you can’t be so impassably illiterate then.
                Quote: bullet
                How do you plan to return? After all, they strive more and more to move to Western Europe.

                Che all straight?
                Quote: bullet
                With you and your relatives will the settlement begin?

                Boy, I’m happy to go, let's say the Urals ... there would be work. Unlike you, I’m not afraid of changes in life, including geographical ones.
                Quote: bullet
                Uncle, sometimes you need to at least read something, along with graffiti.
                85% of the territory of the Russian Federation are unsuitable for permanent residence and household management. activity.

                Come on. wassat You won’t read such idiocy on the walls of the sort. You have to be beaten off to the full to write this with the proud appearance of an expert.
                Quote: bullet
                And in other places (including ALL Siberia) there is a priest. On the letter "Ж"

                And as people, for example, they live in Irkustvka ... I can’t put my mind in it. wassat Apparently starving. fellow
                Quote: bullet
                Not the earth. Eternal Frost.

                Yes, you read, you need the Bahamas everywhere, not Siberia or the Urals. So, boy, before you write something, think about it, maybe you shouldn’t show everyone your ignorance and idiocy.
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            2. +7
              23 January 2020 06: 38
              Is there no life beyond the Urals? Or is there land not land? It’s just that the authorities aren’t itching to somehow make moving to a settled life in those lands attractive.
              I can at first glance name a couple of three proposals on how to return the people to the Far East and the North, but who needs my suggestions, and our government does not need the North as such (and the "fashionable" shift work will eventually finish off the North in the near future).
              1. +1
                23 January 2020 11: 05
                Quote: 72jora72
                and the North as such does not need our power

                Do not carry nonsense. The north is actively developing our power. Have you heard anything about LNG in Yamal? About Norilsk? Look how some cities of the North look now, the same Salekhard.
                Have you noticed the Arctic? On New Earth, our troops are again standing.
                Quote: 72jora72
                and the "fashionable" shift work will eventually finish off the North in the near future

                What are you? On a rotational basis and under the USSR, the majority worked there and did nothing.
                1. -1
                  30 January 2020 22: 12
                  I really didn’t know!
                  The north is actively developing our power.
                  Yes, the Chinese were brought to us in Murmansk, they are building something ridiculous with the wrong hands to trade stolen for a cordon. And for local tail from sprats and then do not give to earn. Kommunalka eats up to 16 tr both in summer and winter. Products are at least a quarter more expensive compared to the middle lane. More than 450 tons of people lived in the USSR in Murmansk. of the population, now on the strength of 300 tons, of which one fifth are Asians and Caucasians who came to work. What the authorities are trying on salaries with us - so to remove the military from statistics along with officials and leaders - and we are beggars. With our salary prices in the middle lane. We pay for heating year-round, but there is no audit of the legality of this decision by the authorities. But, damn it, there are several billionaires in the city.

                  Of course, the north develops power, just not to live, work and raise children in the north. Impossible for twenty years already.
            3. +2
              23 January 2020 11: 01
              Quote: NEXUS
              After the Urals, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, only about 30% of the entire population of Russia lives in the percentage, but in the European part, which is several times smaller, the remaining 70. Someone will say, almost all the megacities and civilization in the Russian Federation are concentrated in European part ... so what? Is there no life beyond the Urals? Or is there land not land?

              This is quite normal given that a significant part of the Russian Federation is not very suitable for living. Look at other countries. 70-80% of the Brazilian population lives in the south. That’s how they don’t really want to live in the jungle in the north, although the climate there is not as severe as ours.))) And nobody panic there. The vast majority of the Australian population lives in the Southwest. Almost the entire population of Canada in the South is from one ocean to another. And for some reason there are no screams there.
          4. +9
            22 January 2020 22: 26
            That's the point, Serg65, that, still .. ,,. It is a miracle that this is still the territory of Russia. After all, the devastation in Russia was no longer 20, but all 35 years! How much historical time was lost due to traders-traders. From a country of kazku it was possible to make a third of a year Китая The experience of China on this matter is r and so on. They are from manure to the second place in the world, we from the second place to manure. ,, The market will rule everything ... ,, They have ruled ... There are not enough printed words. However, everyone already knows who they are. ,, Water purrs - my water, tanga flows - my tanga ... ,,. Terribly primitive, wingless, worthless. Neither education, nor health care, nor justice, nor .... SENSE on the territory is self-sufficient and endowed with everything necessary. Indeed, from the beginning the Creator of Russia has given everything up - forests, clean rivers, minerals ... Just work, just not dirty tricks!
            Well, he’s cunning, well, he’s stolen, but you didn’t take it from the air, you took it from the country, you did it country day after day. And how dogs smell someone who is afraid of them, so here ... in foreign policy. And now a Big Country, excuse me, is wandering and does not want to buy obsolete weapons from the West, and the Ancient Country declares that it is jointly responsible for the safety of the pipeline throughout. And frankly spits on the concept of, the sphere of influence and interests ,,. Got it, to the market ,,? At school, history had to be taught, and you spent all the energy on selling chewing gum to classmates ... ,, triplets ,, stupid.
            And when a strong and serious adversary comes, what will you do? He will PERSONALLY show you the tricks? Or will the tricks be shown by a slightly distressed people?
            The author of the article is right - the probability of losing a significant part of the territory is very high. For millennia, PEOPLE have been known: ,, Weak-hit! ,,
            1. +6
              23 January 2020 12: 37
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              It is a miracle that this is still the territory of Russia

              Eugene, well, let's start with the fact that the First Secretary raised the issue of transferring the Kuril Islands to Japan 64 years ago Central Committee of the CPSU and for 64 years this tyagomutin has been going on, and the islands, as they were Russian, have remained! In this regard, the question arises, what is the same opposition constantly shouting about the return of the islands of Japan? Are they themselves preparing the way for this return? So to speak according to the old tradition what
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              The experience of China about this r and h, etc.

              So what is the experience of China screaming about, Eugene? And he screams that the modernization of China began from the moment when the second man after Stalin in the world communist movement, the Great Mao lay down under the USA! It was then that the hydra of capitalism began to invest huge amounts of money in communist China, and without that money, modern China would have been a third-world freelance country on par with North Korea!
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              And when a strong and serious adversary comes, what will you do?

              laughing Do you think that he will go out in the open! He has already come and whispers quietly into the ear weak on the head ... do not believe the putler, all thieves, give the revolution, our sternum is everything, Khodorkovsky is with you! This enemy has already defeated Russia twice, and moreover, by the hands of the Russians themselves, so what do you think, the third time he will go into an open war? Come on!
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              The author of the article is right

              The author of the article is one of the participants in the already begun presidential election campaign ... and only !!!
              1. -1
                25 January 2020 16: 57
                You still say that the great Stalin went to the USA, because they built us DneproGES, Magnitogorsk and GAZ ...
                1. +3
                  25 January 2020 21: 18
                  Quote: meandr51
                  You still say that the great Stalin went to the USA, because they built us DneproGES, Magnitogorsk and GAZ ...
                  -for all this, Stalin paid in gold.
                  And China paid a penny cost of labor - after which they rushed there ALL Western firms began to create industry there. Because of what they are now starting to whine (after the outbreak of the sanctions war between China and the United States) - production cannot be taken out ...
                  1. +1
                    26 January 2020 21: 39
                    For some reason, the penny Soviet rabsila did not impress anyone. In my opinion, the point is not so much in it as in the climate and geography of the coastal zone of China. Well, they tried to push us with them ... Everything happened with the Chinese, except for the environment. Now their market is many times larger than the American one. Which is not surprising.
                    1. 0
                      27 January 2020 08: 26
                      Quote: meandr51
                      For some reason, the penny Soviet rabsila did not impress anyone.

                      With the Soviet - there was a Cold War ...
                      With the Russian - it is not cheap even in the 90s was compared to China. There really people worked for a handful of rice ....
                      Well, climate costs are naturally higher.
                      When salaries grew there, they climbed to us. Naturally, the desire to seize the wound from us plus high import customs duties was naturally added up
          5. 0
            24 January 2020 18: 42
            So far, half of Siberia has already fallen over the Urals.
          6. Qas
            +2
            26 January 2020 11: 01
            De jure, yes, Russian.
            De facto? Dear, what region do you live in? I'm in the Khabarovsk Territory, and every day I see endless railway trains with raw wood and coal going to China, and pipelines with oil in the same direction. And also the constant outflow of the population towards the snickering non-rubber, and other territories of the western slopes of the Ural Mountains. People just want to live a normal life and give at least something to their children, which for many reasons cannot be done on the territory under discussion. We can write many correct words here, but I would like to dwell on world history: All empires fell apart sooner or later. Looks like the Russian has come to its time, to the greatest regret. Let's give up the Kuril Islands and the Far East without a fight. The rulers of Moscow have already been bought, the economy is set to increase exports (export of resources) and not the development of domestic demand, the country is woven into the world economy, so much so that various world dwarfs indicate us to our place as a world gas station, in Russia itself in permanent ones. " .. need to pay attention ... "," ... need to double GDP (someone else remembers?) ... "and no one believes other promises.
            When gangrene begins, the rotting piece is cut off. The gangrene of power in the country began a long time ago and is already visible to everyone.
            1. +1
              27 January 2020 10: 52
              Quote: Qas
              every day I see endless railway trains with raw wood and coal going to China, and oil pipelines in the same direction.

              what Imagine the same picture in the Smolensk, Belgorod, Leningrad regions, but only to the West ... is it not horror?
              Quote: Qas
              constant outflow of population towards the snubbed non-rubber, and other territories of the western slopes

              Your suggestions?
              Quote: Qas
              Give without a fight and the Kuril Islands and the Far East

              Well you can! Dofig by giving not purchased by you!
              Quote: Qas
              Moscow rulers have already been bought

              what By whom?
              Quote: Qas
              the country is woven into the global economy, so much so that various world dwarfs point to our place as a world gas station

              Do you write comments at the direction of these dwarfs?
              Quote: Qas
              When gangrene begins, the rotting piece is cut off.

              Again, wanted to drink Russian krovushki ????
        3. +21
          22 January 2020 14: 26
          Quote: Svarog
          All this does not lead you to the idea that if this happens, then someone needs this ..?

          It’s rather not someone needs, you can’t catch up on his position at the top, it’s rather an underestimation of the need for the entire infrastructure to populate not only the Far Eastern and northern territories, but also the same villages and villages.
          So that a person does not just work and live, for this, shift work can be enough in certain territories, you need home and comfort, shops, kindergartens, entertainment, full communication with the Big Earth - telephone, television, the Internet and the airport with affordable flights!
          And to give one money ... Well, let big officials travel to the north, work in the regions at least on a shift basis - for 3-4 months, with a 2-week rest. Then they can find out on their skin what is needed for a normal life away from the Big Earth!
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        4. +1
          22 January 2020 16: 17
          Quote: Svarog
          The author gives specific facts that already have a place to be .. namely, a decrease in the population of the above regions and a decrease in demography.

          We all see and know this, but we can’t do anything.
          1. -2
            22 January 2020 20: 36
            We all see and know this, but we can’t do anything.

            Absolutely sorry, but "we" are the government of the Russian Federation? Then the next question is - do we need it? if everything is so in the European part ... ... interesting ...
        5. -7
          22 January 2020 19: 54
          8 people a day, about 2500 a year ... as much as 25000 in ten years! that’s the trouble! and juggle with facts!
        6. 0
          23 January 2020 00: 20
          Quote: Svarog
          Take off your pink glasses and look at the realities .. The author gives specific facts that already have a place to be .. namely, a decrease in the population of the above regions and a decrease in demography ..


          And what was the reality during the rampant "democracy" in Russia in the nineties? Wasn't it then that today's tostosums appeared? Can you tell me how to park a car near your house in apartment buildings? And how many cars did the population have in such "dear" souls of the liberda in the 90s? You need to compare everything, and not just find a consistency convenient for the fan through the Internet garbage dumps.
        7. +5
          23 January 2020 01: 48
          namely, the population has decreased from the above regions and the decline in demography .. All this does not suggest to you that if this happens, then someone needs this ..?
          In Chukotka there are 49 thousand people left, 49 Karl !!!! with a territory of 737 km²
          1. +2
            23 January 2020 12: 09
            Quote: 72jora72
            In Chukotka there are 49 thousand people left, 49 Karl !!!! with a territory of 737 km²

            What a horror. What to do?! Probably nothing. This is probably normal. Do you know why? Because even under the Soviet Union in the 60s, the population was 50 thousand, and in the 80s there were a maximum of about 150 thousand, most of which were shift workers so disliked by you. And you know, in the province of Canada, the Northwest Territories have a population of 43 thousand, and the territory is 1 km², and the provinces of Nunavut, the population is 183 thousand, and the territory is 085 33 km². And no one tears his hair. What do you say to Carl?
            1. +2
              23 January 2020 13: 05
              What a horror. What to do?! Probably nothing. This is probably normal. Do you know why? Because even under the Soviet Union in the 60s the population was 50 thousand, and in the 80s there were a maximum of about 150 thousand, most of which were shift workers who weren’t so beloved by you. What’s this to say to Karl ?.
              I will say that you are completely off topic. This is what I will tell you. In the 80s, people sold apartments in Moscow in order to buy a house in Bilibino with stove heating and without water and a toilet (the price started from 5-8 thousand rubles). I saw plans for the development of the region until 2000 (it was developed in 1983) there were plans for the construction of 2 phases of nuclear power plants (work was carried out on blocks 1991 and 5 before 6), a population of up to 150 thousand was planned in Bilibino (in 1989 there were 32 thousand , 5,5 thousand today). Everything was collapsed in just 2 years, when the North was simply abandoned, when they stopped supplying distant workers' villages, leaving people in cold and hunger, when they simply stopped paying salaries and debts, they were one and a half years. The region was simply destroyed in a few years. I have been in Chukotka since I was 79, three of my children were born and still live here .........
              1. +1
                23 January 2020 14: 57
                Quote: 72jora72
                In the 80s, people sold apartments in Moscow in order to buy a house in Bilibino with stove heating and without water and a toilet (the price started from 5-8 thousand rubles).

                laughing It's just mega funny. But in Manhattan and London, people didn’t sell apartments to move to the ends of the world without water and a toilet?
                Quote: 72jora72
                I saw regional development plans

                Wow. The plans you saw. So what? Has the Soviet Union implemented these plans? You yourself know the answer and for what reason. And did it make sense to implement these plans? The Soviet Union with a planned economy may and wanted to increase the population to at least 500 thousand, but why? Was that an economic sense? I'm sure not. Therefore, I cited the Canadian provinces as an example. They are larger in size in Chukotka, and smaller in population. The economy itself dictates the need for personnel. If there is a profit, people will go themselves. But forcibly shoving people to any region will not give a positive result to either people or the economy.
              2. +1
                25 January 2020 21: 21
                Quote: 72jora72
                In the 80s, people sold apartments in Moscow in order to buy a house in Bilibino with stove heating and without water and a toilet (the price started from 5-8 thousand rubles).
                - and at the same time I saw ZIL - where half of the plant was "limit" (which also escaped from Kamchatka)
            2. +1
              25 January 2020 07: 36
              hmmm ..... in the 90s I started working in the PMP in the summer tankers crackers made the northern delivery- Evgekinot Conducting Pevek .... here I saw enough romance people were abandoned and survived as best they could - the old authorities died - they changed the bottle of vodka for sand and people naturally quickly ran away were only military bases. Now I am doing the same thing on the Canadian side and I can compare how these whips live here and are nunovity and other aboriginals ..... God be with him, the climate is difficult and all that - but Vladik Nakhodka south of Primorye at the latitude of Sochi half of the population scattered - PSRZ plants of the NSRZ Dalzavod .... ceased to exist in each of 20-40 thousand people were. empty trading fish oil ports container .... badly undermined here when the Japanese car industry blocked half of the population fed on it. I completely agree with the author - how red fish are driven by excavators in Sakhalin Kamchatka ... this is probably an agreement with Japan it’s needed if investments go something stirs up - neither a hectare of this nor a 2% mortgage or tax-free white salary will be lured here .... all my classmates are either Peter or Moscow or the south
          2. +1
            25 January 2020 16: 59
            Stop the deer on the tundra to drive. You still count how many people in Alaska, in Lapland, Greenland and Iceland. And in the northwest of China.
        8. +1
          24 January 2020 06: 31
          Well stupidity then why write. Why immediately look for pests .. Maybe just to start to look at yourself and think. Any facts can be understood in different ways. It was one thing and now another. When coal was needed. then gas and oil became more profitable. tomorrow something else may appear. and what now contain coal mines if they are unprofitable. You will endlessly repair your penny. when everyone around will ride on electric cars .. Before you write nonsense, try to think and not look for pests .. If a person wants to live in comfort and satiety. then where does the pests. People go and look for where it is better .. but to take and create comfort everywhere so it takes time and a lot of money that you can’t tear your navel. The Soviet Union, and so it tore its navel.
        9. 0
          31 January 2020 17: 51
          These are not facts. It’s a lie gathered together from a lack of information and malice. Not to notice that Siberia and the Far East are developing at a tremendous pace who needs to be!? This is an indisputable fact.
      2. +13
        22 January 2020 13: 47
        Not just steal, but withdraw capital abroad.
      3. +11
        22 January 2020 13: 53
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        in your head only theft from the budget

        Didn’t the budget money be stolen? Were there no criminal cases of theft from the budget?
        We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war

        No one will give the Kuril Islands, and even less so Siberia to anyone. Unless some new tagged one appears, and this will already be a civil war.
        1. +28
          22 January 2020 13: 59
          And soon you will not have to give. We are here in the Sakhalin Oblast ourselves soon who does not leave, will die out
          1. -26
            22 January 2020 14: 10
            Cheto Alexander, you are long-lived ... personally .. dying out !!
            1. +27
              22 January 2020 14: 15
              Compared to what happened 20 years ago and now it is dying out and at a very high pace
              1. -17
                22 January 2020 14: 26
                Quote: Nehist
                Compared to what it was 20 years ago and now

                The difference of 80 thousand, in fact, is not as critical as for example when compared with 1992 ... then yes, almost half ...
              2. +5
                22 January 2020 15: 06
                Well, yes, tell me how you prospered there 21 years ago with Benny. At trolls everything rests on the number 20, but until 2000 they lived wassat I remember very well how and what we lived in Amurk in the 90s. No need to tell me fables. Now my mother lives normally in Aldan, THOSE YEARS REMEMBER AS A SCARY DREAM hi
                1. +16
                  22 January 2020 15: 36
                  You do not compare the mainland with the islands. And yes, something I don’t notice that the Amur region is flourishing not so long ago the budget of the islands was robust so your favorite Kozhemyako drank
          2. +1
            25 January 2020 17: 01
            Sorry, but that will not change anything. Including the configuration of the borders. Quite a few military bases. Corn is still not growing there.
        2. -3
          23 January 2020 09: 21
          Quote: solzh
          No one will give the Kuril Islands, and even less so Siberia to anyone.

          And who will decide to give or not to give? who will protect this region? Troops from the European part of the Russian Federation? So in Siberian conditions they will look like a cow on ice ... And there will simply be no local defenders left.
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          2. +1
            23 January 2020 15: 59
            Quote: domokl
            And who will decide to give or not to give?

            so those who will decide (this is not the population of the region, as we all understand) and will not give. it’s not a shame, it was patience from which everything could be taken away, it’s a well-formed capitalist predators. they’ll not give Siberia away, they’ll also grab Venezuelan and Syrian oil wink
          3. +1
            25 January 2020 17: 02
            Nothing prevents putting several missile bases there on an ongoing basis.
      4. +7
        23 January 2020 01: 12
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        if panleugolovye affairs do, then perhaps in a different way. In general, the name of such statues is to be managed at all.


        alas, these very "pan-heads" are sitting in the government and among the oligarch officials. That is why, at our expense, we are helping the pan-headed Natsiks in Szhenevmerl. Judge for yourself:
        1.In 2015, Putin sends our oil and our electricity to Ukraine without prepayment and at domestic Russian prices. Like "sorry for their grandmothers"
        2. ALL Russian state women (Sberbank, VTB, alpha, etc.) stubbornly remain in Ukraine, having already suffered losses of more than ten yards of greenery! At the same time, the same banks constantly receive subsidies from the Russian budget! This, in your opinion, is not help to the pan-cookers ?!
        3. Transitional disgrace of 2019: now Natsik in Ukraine receive loot regardless of whether Gazprom pumped gas or not. The agreement is secret from the Russian side, but the pan-and-leg fools are burning with might and main over the fact that the Russian Federation has not only preserved transit, but also the dough dumps as much as before. And Gazprom gave another 3 yards from above

        So it’s not necessary to erect a slander on the author. Our authorities themselves are castelegol. Engaged in work on their foreign owners. Because their children / wives / money / houses are there.
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        2. +1
          24 January 2020 06: 38
          Well, actually you. . but first of all there really is a huge number of our relatives living. . and what to leave them. .Banks remain in Ukraine for one reason and very simple. it’s impossible to sell them there. and throw like .. well, about gas transit, you generally hit. and what to do then. .If our gas cannot go in any other way. that stop pumping it to other countries in the EU. If this happened to this pipe, YOU yourself think what to do. stop all transit and not supply gas to Europe lose everything. and do not repeat the beaten fake about the children there. Give at least one fact. at least one proof. .
          1. 0
            25 January 2020 17: 40
            Yes, you are partially right, there is nowhere to go. All that remains is to pay and repent. By the way, where is our Marshal Vasilevsky gas carrier? Does it carry a gas from the state? Yes, and gentlemen from "national to standing" should not have been singing a rooster about the completion of the construction of SP2 by the New Year. Only now what year?
            1. +1
              25 January 2020 17: 50
              on the contrary in the United States carries our gas
              1. 0
                25 January 2020 20: 10
                But no From the States to Europe. The ship is leased. Reportedly until the end of work at the LNG plant in Ust-Luga. These terms were twice postponed, and at the moment he is working for a company, the owner with a Swedish surname. The former owner, Timchenko, threw this "stone" off himself, because he came under sanctions. Patriotism and the interests of the state are crushed against elementary wild capitalism. Something like this. This is by the way about the Kuriles and Sakhalin. Capitalists at the helm of the state are not interested in territories that do not give momentary profits and require huge costs. An example with Russian Alaska will help you.
                1. +1
                  26 January 2020 13: 13
                  I will not argue about Timchenko since I have no facts, however, like you. but about Alaska you are wrong. Would you even read ka why it was sold, what was there
      5. -1
        23 January 2020 08: 39
        Quote: c-Petrov
        if panleugolovye affairs do, then perhaps in a different way. In general, the name of such statues is to be managed at all.

        I am amazed at the number of shitters and their supporters. Minus those who are outraged by the openly expressed liberal-defeatist thoughts "about nothing" ... "The power is bad", "the liberal idea is the light at the end of the tunnel ..." and all this is said ostensibly on behalf of the masses - thereby creating an opinion that most people think so. Now they will start to minus me too ... But I can't say ... here on the site, either a hotbed of sent "trolls" in order to distort reality and bring corruption to society, or the site administration plays on the side of the LGBT community, for the pink and blue negative
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    2. +11
      22 January 2020 13: 51
      Quote: Svarog
      it is not business that should be controlled by the state, but state by business.

      -------------------------
      And the state must control the people responsible for their country. Otherwise, the state serves as an instrument of the ruling class. But today we have a philistine population, not a people.
      1. -25
        22 January 2020 13: 53
        But today we have a philistine population, not a people.


        people yes. Not the one for Alton. And for her the people are not the same. And the dog will agree with you. And Latynina will generally pour your words in granite



        PS minus no minus - but endured for 20 years - you will tolerate as many years as you need easily at all, I think. This is at least a discharge in 20 years

        And count up the sum of the years that you endured, bummer, gardamir and the rest - it will turn out more than one century. Well done! B - fight.
        1. +24
          22 January 2020 14: 00
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          people yes. Not the one for Alton

          -------------------------
          Opachki, the trolls got started. Petrov on a motorcycle Kherurg came to "patriotism" to raise. laughing laughing What have you done for the people, Petrov? Except how to post demotivators? At least I’m engaged in production, I have developed a whole bunch of different equipment for transport and technical processes. Created jobs. And you, Petrov, can only sow hatred, troll and be rude. laughing laughing
          1. -23
            22 January 2020 14: 16
            Quote: Altona
            Swarms, trolls wound up

            laughing At the trolls, the trolls will not start!
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    3. +25
      22 January 2020 14: 04
      as a resident of the Far East it is very sad! with us, two spawning rivers, this is no longer a reserve! for the wise Muscovites! already overload coal in an open way! coal dust in crab meat! it's DARK! no PROSPECTS! Devastation!
      1. +14
        22 January 2020 15: 40
        In confirmation of what you said. Does a revival happen?


        The true genocide of natural resources in the Russian Far East.
        And this is after all the "first persons" have noted there. It's scary to imagine what was "before".
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        2. +1
          22 January 2020 18: 10
          Look at all this and yearn for Stalin.
          1. -4
            23 January 2020 12: 57
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Look at all this and yearn for Stalin.

            Ho ho If Stalin were returned now, then you would probably be shot by whiners like you. Yearning is interesting for what? For repression? According to the execution of 600 thousand people? By poverty? I think no one is homesick.
            1. 0
              25 January 2020 17: 05
              Nothing, this will not stop those who come from longing to implement plans to come to you. At the same time they will explain what repression is.
    4. 0
      22 January 2020 15: 01
      the author is right
      in fact ? or short for someone?
    5. -1
      22 January 2020 15: 03
      it is necessary to bring the "Russian spirit" - the Russian world there, after the raising of the Russian flag on the territory, otherwise a simple watch of the Tatars or the Chinese. maybe the Ethiopians will
      1. +6
        23 January 2020 01: 15
        Quote: antivirus
        otherwise a simple watch Tatars or Chinese


        and the Tatars ???? Tatars are our people. The same state-forming nation! You are here between ours: Russians, Ossetians, Tatars, Chukchi, etc. do not sow discord please.
        The Russian person has only one enemy - a corrupt Russian official.
        1. +1
          23 January 2020 05: 59
          The Russian person has only one enemy - a corrupt Russian official.

          Good-for-nothing guz official!
        2. -1
          23 January 2020 09: 28
          Quote: Magadan
          and the Tatars ???

          Do not be idiotic. And then nationality? Shift workers are coming from Tatarstan. By the way, different in nationality. There is no need to drag in the national question here. I, in this case, also came to Russia in large numbers. Roots all over the USSR are scattered
          1. +1
            23 January 2020 16: 39
            a little out of post, but I want to ask you, as the author ... and what are the ambassadors of the article?
            1)
            yes, the region is depressing, yes, many enterprises have closed and there is no work, yes, people are running, and .... so what? Is there anything unnatural in this?
            What are you offering? to build factories in Chukotka so that parts can be transferred from central Russia and then products can be transferred from there to central Russia?
            or maybe it is better to adopt a normal state program of labor migration within the country so that people from regions where there is no work can normally move to regions where labor is needed?
            2)
            tell me, why are you broadcasting Taiwanese nonsense about Chinese Siberia? China cannot even populate the central part of its country where the climate is much milder. built cities that have been empty for several years. what Siberia the Chinese ate even in the central part of their country do not want to move, despite the fact that the climate there is much milder than in Siberia. no Chinese in their right mind will go to Siberia. North Koreans and Vietnamese work there.
            1. 0
              25 January 2020 17: 06
              Because a provocateur.
        3. 0
          24 January 2020 06: 41
          and the businessman who bribes this official to rob his country is he who ????. any stick has two ends. and if one does not give, then the second will not be able to take. . The official and the entrepreneur (speculator) are to blame.
      2. +4
        23 January 2020 06: 30
        it is necessary to bring the "Russian spirit" - the Russian world there, after the raising of the Russian flag on the territory, otherwise a simple watch of the Tatars or the Chinese. maybe the Ethiopians will
        In Chukotka, in hospitals, 40-45 percent doctors come from Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan (I’m not saying that they are bad people or specialists), they just come here who have a worse home environment .......
        1. -1
          23 January 2020 07: 54
          doctors at 40-45 percent come from Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan (I do not say h

          They arrived, like living in the Russian world. if I liked Amer’s, we’ve gone there or the Dzungarian world, to China or Pakistan
        2. +1
          23 January 2020 16: 41
          Quote: 72jora72
          it’s just that those who have a worse home environment come here .......

          in in. so where did the myth of the Chinese come from? why would the Chinese go to Siberia?
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    7. -3
      23 January 2020 11: 58
      Article utter bullshit !!!!
      Take, for example, the same Canada, whose population lives mainly in the south and south-west of the country. Something no one says that soon Canada will be halved. And at the same time, Canada is also developing mineral deposits near the Arctic Circle by shift workers.

      The return of the Far Eastern and Siberian lands can be only on one condition. Complete defeat of the country. and in these words I mean not only a military defeat, but also a political one. When the "thieves" are in power, they will stupidly sell the country.
      However, the hasty approach to the northern borders of Russia prompts the idea that our "businessmen" do not intend to pack their suitcases, but still make money here.

      BTW! If you take and look at the population density in the same China and Matrasia, then you will see that the Chinese all crawled to the Southeast of the country, and the mattresses to the East Coast, to the south and somewhere to the half of the west coast.

      And I don’t see any reason for the children running around Vorkuta in winter where to -60С in winter. It’s just undermining children's health. Only the indigenous population of the country can live there calmly. So they need help.

      The issue of foreign labor is easily resolved by a MANDATORY contribution to the budget of the Russian Federation for each foreign worker. Moreover, the contribution should be fixed. It will be easier there to weed out cheap labor; good, expensive specialists will not weed out this contribution. Nevertheless, this should provide an incentive for the training of their specialists.
  2. +15
    22 January 2020 13: 39
    The vast majority of the population of the islands considers them an integral part of Russia

    The vast majority of the population of Russia considers the islands an integral part of Russia! Our Kuril Islands!
    so what? Will we give the islands, Siberia, the Northern Sea Route to foreigners?

    No, of course. A hole to them from a donut to everyone, and the Japanese, and the Chinese, and various other who wish our land.
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    1. +24
      22 January 2020 14: 08
      There will be people - there will be developed territories
      . People from there run a shaft. Look at the statistics of the outflow of population from the Far East. Desalination of lands is beneficial for Moscow; it is easier to shake off. I already wrote today for the Plenipotentiary Envoy for Far East Trutnev. It was with him that the outflow increased, but he was left and increased. So it conducts the right policy, pleasing to the government.
      1. -9
        22 January 2020 14: 17
        Quote: lwxx
        People from there run a rampart

        The larger the population of the country, the more opportunities for development and settlement of territories. But only.
        I didn’t touch on who, where, where, from where runs.
        1. +14
          22 January 2020 14: 32
          That people would go there and need some stimulation. In the union, she was both in words and in deed, but now she is not. We have not yet settled the central part and the south, and you want people to go north and freeze their asses.
          1. +3
            22 January 2020 14: 37
            Quote: lwxx
            Our central part and

            Even under the Union, these territories were not sufficiently populated.
            Quote: lwxx
            do you want

            Take my word for it, I want not only this, but I do not care about other people's "backs".
          2. 0
            23 January 2020 13: 01
            Quote: lwxx
            We have not yet settled the central part and the south

            These are Krasnodar, Stavropol Territory and Rostov Region. not settled yet?
          3. +1
            24 January 2020 14: 21
            If salaries are significantly higher than, for example, in Moscow, and living conditions are normal (roads, housing, hospitals, universities, kindergartens, schools, shops, etc.), then they will go to the North, to the Far East, and to the islands ... Even I think despite the harsh climate. They will go to the "constant", not in a watch manner.
            It makes sense to him to go to Moscow or St. Petersburg for 70-100 thousand rubles, still look for an apartment to rent for 30-40 if he will receive 150-200 rubles in Siberia or Far East and live in his house.
        2. 0
          22 January 2020 21: 19
          Quote: Less
          I didn’t touch on who, where, where, from where runs.

          But it was necessary. And especially you need to touch on the question WHY are running. For an example, look at how villages in Iceland are arranged, maybe you will understand something. hi
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  4. +6
    22 January 2020 13: 41
    In no country in the world, except for dwarf or small island states, is the population settled evenly. In the gigantic territories of Canada and Australia, the average population density is less than ours, and the uneven distribution is even greater compared to the Russian Federation.
    1. +13
      22 January 2020 14: 00
      You see in Canada undeveloped territories there are only polar bears. And we have Chinese near Siberia.
      1. -16
        22 January 2020 14: 04
        We have an army to protect our country. Or do you think that Siberia will be protected from China by women with children living there? How can civilians affect the defense of the same Kuril Islands?
        1. +20
          22 January 2020 14: 13
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          We have an army to protect our country.

          ------------------------
          The colleague’s son returned from the Chita region the other day. For a whole year, he says, they didn’t do anything sensible, not even military training. Well, okay, maybe they are the only ones there. But Siberia is not covered by divisions as before, but by brigades, and China has whole armies there. The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply, it simply will not have the resources. Maybe you have some other army? Can we send Rosguard? But she is very tender, she’s afraid of plastic cups.
          1. -22
            22 January 2020 14: 16
            Can we send Rosguard? But she is very tender, she’s afraid of plastic cups.


            Why do we have such a sad opposition? Professional selection? The military of Altokha decided here to discuss the tender Rosguardia, into which the actors of the circus genre threw glasses and shouted that they were: "Shame on Russia" (SOBR, OMON and other units that dragged the entire Caucasus on themselves)

            And here on the forum the Military Review - all .. the public - tactfully call this substance - begins to drag these comments from the news here with a miracle of publications of a well-known orientation

            I’m going to the censor in the comment, that here, that on the echo - the audience is very similar.



            PS You understand, here minus do not minus ...
            1. +13
              22 January 2020 14: 20
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              why do we have such a sad opposition?

              ----------------------
              Petrov, what's the point of posting photos of soldiers? Does it inspire you somehow? From this the soldier will no longer be, you can militarize the whole branch, the army as it was 800 with something thousand throughout the country will remain.
              1. -18
                22 January 2020 14: 22
                Petrov, what's the point of posting photos of soldiers?

                these are officers. you can not understand.

                Does it inspire you somehow?

                should I be inspired by the snot of a certain audience who is pouring them here? Well, I'd rather decide for myself what inspires me.

                1. +14
                  22 January 2020 14: 26
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  these are officers. you can not understand.

                  ---------------------
                  What can I not understand, Petrov? I don’t understand your child’s shows here absolutely and the flood with which you clog the branch. As for the officers, the colonels in the army greeted me hand in hand and nothing, but on the other end of the line there was no less lieutenant general, because the phone was ZAS. So, your maxims, Petrov, keep your snot with your military pictures with you.
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          2. +12
            22 January 2020 15: 01
            Quote: Altona
            But Siberia is not covered by divisions as before, but by brigades, and China has whole armies there. The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply, it simply will not have the resources. Maybe you have some other army?

            China to pray for power in the post-Soviet republics. At least for Putin, at least for Yanukovych and Nazarbayev. They wouldn’t get such an amount of technology and resources for nothing from anyone and never. Yes, technically the PLA can easily occupy Kazakhstan and the Far East. But first of all, the West really does not like it.
            And most importantly, why do they need it? "You don't need a knife on a fool."
          3. +1
            22 January 2020 15: 11
            Can we send Rosguard? But she is very tender, she’s afraid of plastic cups

            Evgeny Vaganovich, log in
          4. -1
            22 January 2020 16: 14
            China still can’t really populate its north. The Chinese do not want to live in the cold.
            1. +1
              23 January 2020 09: 44
              China still can’t really populate its north. The Chinese do not want to live in the cold.
              In our Anadyr (Chukotka) region, one businessman decided to take up advanced greenhouse hydroponics, and brought five Chinese (pros greenhouses) for this business. So in the summer it was still normal with them, and in winter they refused to go out on the street, and they lived in greenhouses. So the Chinese will definitely not capture Chukotka. laughing
          5. +1
            23 January 2020 13: 09
            Quote: Altona
            The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply; it simply will not have the resources.

            In Manchuria, the PRC has only the 78th Army. And for your information now they’re fighting without running into the bayonet with the cries of Ur. Not the most important number, the main quality and technology. And for your information, the Rosguard is very combat-ready.
          6. 0
            23 January 2020 13: 47
            Quote: Altona
            The brigade cannot stand up to armies and divisions for a long time even in terms of material and technical supply; it simply will not have the resources.

            And therefore, in China there was a widespread rejection of bulky Soviet-type divisions in favor of flexible modular brigades.
        2. +15
          22 January 2020 14: 13
          It's not about war. An article about what the neighbors say, you still have nothing there, can we populate it?
          1. -5
            22 January 2020 14: 29
            Quote: Gardamir
            It's not about war. An article about what the neighbors say, you still have nothing there, can we populate it?

            Well, since it’s not about the war, we tell them it’s impossible !!! wassat
            Kindergarten, nursery ...
            survivors for the whole nation and the whole country (!!!!) they are tearing the veins on the site and not one wants to go to the Far North, and even ... to the Far East ... laughing Where is your action? Some calls! Verbiage! How do you differ from those you criticize?
            Well, organize a commune on the same Shikotan !!! And show an example of a successful stay !!! Well, what are you doing? Forward! And the Communist Party Party will help you financially, will throw off contributions and help, but for one example it will show how to live !!! The frail and helpless opposition ... Moans and cries, and not a single action !!!!
            By their own example, the Communists must prove continuity with those who went first to attack ... who went to hard labor, for the people and what will you come from? ... Discuss the articles on the site ??? !!! Ugh!
            1. +5
              22 January 2020 14: 36
              And the Communist Party Party will help you financially, throw off contributions and help


              are you crazy? laughing
              1. +5
                22 January 2020 17: 40
                s. Petrov Today, 14:36
                And the Communist Party Party will help you financially, throw off contributions and help

                are you crazy? laughing

                Seriously.
                I believe that among the real communists there will really be someone, if not in installments, but they themselves will go to carry out the state work.
                So it was in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s ... virgin, ... BAM ...

                And if this does not happen. - the Communists will not have authority either ... Work in the Duma is a minus to everyone, even if they are satisfied with the content, the form and presentation of this work in the press are clearly annoying.
                1. -2
                  22 January 2020 18: 37
                  I believe that among the real communists there will really be someone


                  and now they are hiding? Grudinin just saving up capital? Putting it off in banks?

                  Everything for the party. All in business.

                  And if this does not happen. - then the Communists will not have authority either ...


                  There is authority. Not even one. Sleeping bear is only a pity.

                  1. +3
                    23 January 2020 01: 21
                    Quote: s-t Petrov
                    and now they are hiding? Grudinin just saving up capital? Putting it off in banks?


                    tell me, and Putin and other United Russia oligarchs where they are storing their capital?
                    Moreover, mind you, Grudinin, unlike Putin's Rottenbergs and Alikperovs, earned money on agriculture by an honest hump. And people have salaries of 80 thousand and not 20! And the apartments are almost free! And the school is the most modern in Europe! And his village looks like Switzerland

                    so what about Putin's "businessmen" you say? AND?
                    1. -1
                      23 January 2020 13: 13
                      tell me, and Putin and other United Russia oligarchs where they are storing their capital?


                      they save up, so that later on there would be something from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to run for president. People with ordinary income in the Communist Party have nothing to do (in the elite), apparently. So they’ll save up, then they will go to the Communist Party and then to the presidency

                      Moreover, mind you, Grudinin, unlike Putin's Rottenbergs and Alikperovs, earned money on agriculture by an honest hump.


                      wassat

                      Swiss tax office reported 11 accounts of Grudinin, including in gold

                      why did he hide his honest earnings from the election commission? I had to make requests in Switzerland. Oh, these candidates from the people and the Communist Party

                      1996, Yukos and even the dissolution of the USSR - do not undermine faith in the party. She is very strong. This is abruptly ego. Although you are also trying to convince everyone to believe in the unknown.

                      And the people go to the polls and believe Putin :( Novodvorskaya and Atlokh sin that the people are not the same. I suggest you join these characters

                      so what about Putin's "businessmen" you say? AND?


                      they are capitalists who do not pretend to be communists after they put their CPSU tickets on the shelves. So to speak, synchronized with reality and found the strength in themselves, to live in a new dimension

                    2. +2
                      24 January 2020 06: 47
                      and that the school of sternins built something that he himself at his own expense and contains himself. You would have known before writing nonsense. that the school is built on budget money. and what kind of agriculture is there. . Somehow I gave him a suggestion not to revive the village near the Moscow Ring Road but our state farm near Perm. So his hump does not need to be written. don’t have honest money there .. and about Grudinin’s capital the same way = grow where he keeps his own. where goge children are kept. where at their home.
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              1. +1
                22 January 2020 16: 59
                The Chinese are not particularly keen on us in Siberia. They do not have their own north of the country, cities are built, and the Chinese do not want to live in them. Far East there are much more Uzbeks than Chinese. Does this mean the expansion of Uzbekistan?
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            4. 0
              23 January 2020 09: 35
              Quote: Nasr
              survivors for the whole nation and the whole country (!!!!) they are tearing the veins on the site and not one wants to go to the Far North, and even ... to the Far East ... Where is your action? Some calls! Verbiage!

              laughing On weakly decided to take? Well, I left Moscow for Omsk 8 years ago. What am I proud of now? He wanted and left. And you? Is the gut weak? Not?
            5. +1
              24 January 2020 14: 32
              I was born and lived in Kamchatka for 48 years. And seeing what was going on, he decided for the last (the third child) to leave for the best - to the south. I think, and my parents, more than paid the state land development, but we will not see gratitude. as parents did not see. whom the native state threw.
          2. 0
            22 January 2020 16: 36
            Quote: Gardamir
            An article about what the neighbors say, you still have nothing there, can we populate it?

            If there continues to be such a state policy towards the regions of the North and the Far East, then it will be settled, peacefully, or not peacefully.
            1. +3
              22 January 2020 16: 46
              In fact of the matter. Indeed, patriotism is not about screaming urrrh, but about the fact that we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up ours either.
        3. 0
          23 January 2020 01: 10
          The big question for me is what kind of war will be with China, if it happens, taking into account the difference in mobilization and demographic potentials ... And will there be enough weapons of mass destruction for the defense of the army. Or do we need to develop multiple launch rocket systems so that hectares of land can be burned at a speed greater than they will be filled with attacking ones? I am not a military man, not a diplomat or politician. I don’t understand much)
      2. +10
        22 January 2020 14: 43
        And they have near the United States with more than 300 million people. Near New York State with an area of ​​only 140 thousand square meters. km and a population of 25 percent more than the population of all of Canada with an area of ​​10 million square kilometers. Indonesia is not far from Australia, where there are more than ten times more people.) On the other hand, the population of our neighbors, such as Japan and South Korea, is either declining or stabilized. In China, the birth rate is low. So the factor of demographic pressure from these neighbors should not be exaggerated. Like us, these are aging nations, with a selfish, few young generation who are not particularly willing to breed.
  5. +12
    22 January 2020 13: 41
    But people on the islands from this no longer! And will not!

    This is understandable and this is TROUBLE! discussed, nothing new to add.
    Demography is not only a problem of having children. This is a problem of uniform population of the country.

    And in WHICH country, with such different climatic conditions, is this UNIFORM DISTRIBUTION ??? I don’t know such a country.
    We don’t want to lose the country, so we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows.

    Okay, changed! And "streams" agree with this?
    1. 0
      22 January 2020 16: 37
      Quote: rocket757
      I don’t know such a country.

      Maybe Luxembourg?
      1. +3
        22 January 2020 16: 43
        And where is the difference in climatic zones? Then, the population is concentrated in the valleys, all well, and not on the hills / mountains. There are many tourists only.
  6. +3
    22 January 2020 13: 41
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    Who is this addressed to? What does this strange way of listing verbs in indefinite form with an indefinite addressee mean?
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      22 January 2020 14: 01

      Vyacheslav Viktorovich (Vyacheslav) Today, 13:41 New
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      Who is this addressed to?

      No need to cling.
      The author correctly posed the problem. And so far no one in modern conditions has given any meaningful proposals on this subject.
      Only money can’t drive people into particularly difficult living conditions ... With today's educational policies, successful ones strive to warm places ...

      There is no understanding that the situation has already changed, and just for independent survival it is necessary to tear the veins at any job and in any conditions ...

      I want to reassure the liberals. What I wrote is not for everyone. This is for the Heroes of the Russian land: teachers, doctors, designers, technologists, hard workers, submariners, pilots, railway workers, ...
      This is about those who die from heart attacks, who work seven days a week, who bring up children and grandchildren despite the idiocy of reality ...

      By the way, I’m sure that the President would send the Far East to Shoigu’s administration, and things will go better ... And if he would also find his children places of activity in the Siberian outback or on the islands of the Arctic Ocean, then everything would quickly recover.
      1. +2
        22 January 2020 14: 22
        Quote: Sergey S.
        I want to reassure the liberals. What I wrote is not for everyone.

        ----------------------------
        Who are you reassuring at the moment? Kudrin or his student Mishustin? We have an ultra-liberal government.
        1. +4
          22 January 2020 14: 28
          Quote: Altona
          Who are you reassuring at the moment? Kudrin or his student Mishustin? We have an ultra-liberal government.

          And what does the government have to do with it?
          Let me remind you that in the days of the pioneers, the Moscow authorities even knew what Siberia was ....

          I’m talking about Great people who should not be disturbed, and whom it is desirable to understand ...

          Or do you think that in the country led by Medvedev no one worked on reforming the army and new weapons ???
          1. +2
            22 January 2020 14: 32
            Quote: Sergey S.
            And what does the government have to do with it?

            -----------------------
            What do you mean? Or do you think someone will rush to Siberia alone? And what does the new weapons have to do with it? Stolypin tried to populate Siberia, it did not work out very well. The topic is generally very extensive. And the people there were mostly exiled, either from state-controlled migration.
            1. +5
              22 January 2020 14: 44
              Quote: Altona
              The topic is generally very extensive.

              I completely agree with this.
              Quote: Altona
              And the people there were mostly exiled, either from state-controlled migration.

              But this does not correspond to reality, except for individual "enterprises" and then, basically, in the era of the birth and development of capitalism ... and the GULAG there too ...
              I wrote that there were times, there were people who went through all these lands, founded jails, laid roads, founded mines, organized crafts ... this was done either by order or by initiative.
              An example is the Great Northern Expedition, circa 1730s - 1740s. So what was the government then ...
              The result - Siberia and the Far East were rebuilt, and all attempts to tear away these territories (Kholhin-Gol) were repelled. And if not for the Urals and the Trans-Urals, what would have happened in 1942?
              It is fantastic, but it was!
              It is this experience that can help today's Russia.
              1. -1
                22 January 2020 14: 52
                Quote: Sergey S.
                But this does not correspond to reality, except for individual "enterprises" and then, basically, in the era of the birth and development of capitalism ...

                --------------------
                How not true? Any such action requires considerable and considerable money, and only the state has it. About those early times that you mention, like the times of Ermak and Demidov, so there were generally only hundreds of people. Stolypin wanted to throw people there, so he escaped back, though he didn’t go beyond the Urals. Soviet power only led to the development of industry and benefits, where the accelerated experience included. But today industry was destroyed, and pension reform was imposed on the experience. Well and other delights, such as minus social and cultural life. as the development of destructive subcultures such as AUE, and so on.
                1. +4
                  22 January 2020 17: 32
                  Quote: Altona
                  Soviet power only led to the development of industry and benefits, where the accelerated experience included. But today industry was destroyed, and pension reform was imposed on the experience.

                  That is exactly what I had in mind. These shots are not from the Gulag.
                  A very large role was evacuation. Not everyone returned to Stalingrad, Leningrad or Kharkov. many remained in Nizhny Tagil, Omsk, Barnaul ... They remained voluntarily, although there were obstacles to return, I do not deny.
                  So now we must act.
                  There will be good work, there will be personnel.

                  Что РєР ° СЃР ° ется СѓСЃР »РѕРІРёР№.
                  РџРѕРјРЅСЋ РІРѕРґРІРѕРґРЅС ‹Р№ СѓРіР ° СЂ 1960-С ... ... РњРµС З С‚Р ° Р» Рё жить РІ РїРѕРґРІРѕРґРЅС ‹С ... РіРѕСЂРѕРґР ° С ...
                  РЎРµРіРѕРґРЅСЏС € РЅРёРµ РЅР ° С € Рё Р ± Р ° Р · С ‹РІ Арктике - Р · веР· РґС‹ - РѕС З РµРЅСЊ РІРѕР ° Р ,РґР ° Р ° Р °Р °Р ° С ° С »СЏР» РёСЃСЊ РїРѕРґРІРѕРґРЅС ‹Рµ РіРѕСЂРѕРґР ° ...
                  So, in accordance with the possibilities of the time, the conditions in the Arctic may already be significantly different from what is shown in the movie "The Seven Brave".

                  Рђ СЃРїРµС † РёР ° Р »СЊРЅРѕ РёСЃРІС‹ С‚С ‹РІР ° ть Р» юдей РЅР ° РІС ‹Р¶РёРІР ° емость, РєРѕРіРґР ° ужР° Р °Р ±Р ° Р РЅС ‹С‚РµС ... РЅРѕР» РѕРіРёРё, - это преступление.
      2. -1
        22 January 2020 16: 39
        Quote: Sergey S.
        The author correctly posed the problem. And so far no one in modern conditions has given any meaningful proposals on this subject.

        РќР ° верное РґР ° же Рё РЅРµ стР° РІРёР »СЃСЏ РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ РїРѕ РІРѕРІРѕРґСѓ дел СЊРЅС ‹С ... РїСЂРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР.
  7. +15
    22 January 2020 13: 45
    Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту? RS,Rѕ, PI RїSЂRoRЅS † RoRїRμ, SЂRμRіRoRѕRЅS <RЅRμRїSЂRoRіRѕRґRЅS <Rμ RґR "SЏ RїRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRЅRѕRіRѕ RїSЂRѕR¶RoRІR ° RЅRoSЏ Ryo P" SЋRґRo S,R ° Rј R¶RoR "Ryo, RґR" SЏ S,RѕRіRѕ C ‡ тоР± С ‹Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± отР° ть денег Рё северны Р№ стР° Р¶, Р ° потом, РІ Р ± РѕР »СЊС € РёРЅЅµЃ своем, СѓРµС ... Р ° ть РЅР ° Р ± РѕР »СЊС € СѓСЋ Р · емл СЋ. РЇ жилв С‚РµС ... РєСЂР ° СЏС ... - Р РіР ° СЂРєР °, Р'оркутР°, РҐР ° тР° РЅРіР °. R ”етям тР° Рј дел Р ° ть РЅРµС З РµРіРѕ. РўРѕР »СЊРєРѕ РІР ° С ... тР°.
    1. +4
      22 January 2020 13: 49
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

      РџСЂРё РЎРѕСЋР · Рµ еР· РґРёР »Рё. P'P ° R¶RЅRѕ RіSЂR ° RјRѕS,RЅRѕ RІS <SЃS,SЂRѕRμRЅRЅR ° SЏ RјRѕS,RoRІR ° C † RoSЏ SЃ SЃS,RѕSЂRѕRЅS <RіRѕSЃSѓRґR SЂSЃS,RІR ° ° RґR "SЏ RіSЂR R¶RґR ° ° of the PS.
      1. +11
        22 January 2020 13: 55
        R • R · RґRёR »Rё, СЃРїРѕСЂСѓ нет. Р СЃРµР№С ‡ Р ° СЃ РµРґСѓС ‚. РќРѕ жить тР° Рј востоянно, если ты РЅРµ предстР° Рј С‚РѕС ‡ РЅРѕ РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚. РћСЃРѕР ± енно семьям СЃ РјР ° Р »РµРЅСЊРєРёРјРё детьми. RS Р Rs ° RєRЅR ° R РѕСЃС ‹. МотивировР° ть С ‡ еловекР° постоянно жить РІ РґРёСЃРєРѕРјС „РР… P — P ° C ‡ PµPј?
        1. +2
          22 January 2020 14: 07
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          МотивировР° ть С ‡ еловекР° постоянно жить РІ РґРёСЃРєРѕРјС „РР… P — P ° C ‡ PµPј?

          РЎР »РµРґСѓСЏ РІР ° С € ей Р» РѕРіРёРєРµ Рё Р ° СЂРјРёСЏ РЅРµ нужнР°, тР° Рј тоже РЅРµ РєРѕРјС
          1. +5
            22 January 2020 14: 09
            РћСЃРІР ° РёРІР ° ть РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север можно Рё РІР ° С ... С‚РѕРІС ‹Рј методом. R'RѕRμRЅRЅS <Rμ S,RѕR¶Rμ, RєSЃS,R ° S,Ro, RЅRμ SЃR "SѓR¶R ° C, ° RЅR RѕRґRЅRѕRј RјRμSЃS,Rμ RІSЃSЋ SЃRІRѕSЋ R¶RoR · RЅSЊ - RoRґRμS, RїRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRЅR ° SЏ SЂRѕS ‚P ° C † RyoЏ.
        2. +7
          22 January 2020 14: 46
          РЎРѕРіР »Р ° сен. РќРѕ, РЅР ° пример, РІ южной РЎРёР ± РёСЂРё, РЅР ° СЋРіРµ Р ”Р ° Р»
          1. -1
            22 January 2020 16: 43
            Quote: Sergej1972
            РќРѕ, РЅР ° пример, РІ южной РЎРёР ± РёСЂРё, РЅР ° СЋРіРµ Р ”Р ° Р»

            РћСЃРѕР ± енно РІ РњР ° С З Р¶СѓСЂРєРµ.
      2. +10
        22 January 2020 14: 19
        РџСЂРё РЎРѕСЋР · Рµ еР· РґРёР »Рё. P'P ° R¶RЅRѕ RіSЂR ° RјRѕS,RЅRѕ RІS <SЃS,SЂRѕRμRЅRЅR ° SЏ RјRѕS,RoRІR ° C † RoSЏ SЃ SЃS,RѕSЂRѕRЅS <RіRѕSЃSѓRґR SЂSЃS,RІR ° ° RґR "SЏ RіSЂR R¶RґR ° ° of the PS.

        P ”P ° PєP ° PєP ° СЏ Рє С З С'рту мотивР° С † РёСЏ.
        R'C ‹R» СЏ РІ РќРѕСЂРёР »СЊСЃРєРµ РІ 94-Рј РіРѕРґСѓ. РўР ° Рє РІРѕС ‚, РІСЃРµ СЃ кем СЂР ° Р · РіРѕРІР ° СЂРёРІР ° Р», тР° Рє РёР »Рё РёРЅР ° С З Рµ строил Рё Р РРє Р °Рѓ Р °Рє Р °Рє Р °Рє Р °Рє РѕРЅРё СѓРµРґСѓС ‚оттудР°. Р РЅРµ потому, СЗ С‚Рѕ тР° Рј РјР ° Р »Рѕ РїР» Р ° С‚СЏС ‚. Р ”Р ° же тогдР° Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± отки тР° Рј Р ± С‹ Р »Рё РЅРѕСЂРјР ° Р» СЊРЅС ‹Рµ. УеР· жР° СЋС ‚РёР · -Р · Р ° детей.
        RЈ RјRμSЃS,RЅS <C ... RґRμS,RμR№ (± RѕSЃRѕR RμRЅRЅRѕ RєS,Rѕ S,R ° Rј SЂRѕRґRoR "SЃSЏ) RєRѕR¶R ° F ± F" RμRґRЅR ° SЏ RєR ° Rє Sѓ RЅRμR¶RoRІS <C .... P • СЃР »Рё Р ° витР° РјРёРЅРѕР · С‹ РµС ‰ С 'можно РїРѕР ± едить Р · Р ° СЃС З С'С ‚РѕРІРѕС ‰ ей Рё С СРѓ Рѕ нех РІР ° тку СЃРѕР »РЅС † Р ° РІС‹ РЅРёС З РµРј РЅРµ Р · Р ° мените.
        Р'Рѕ РІСЃС'Рј РјРёСЂРµ РІ тР° РєРёС ... местР° С ... СЂР ° Р ± отР° СЋС ‚РІР ° С ... товы Рј методом.
    2. -1
      22 January 2020 14: 11
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то поедеЂте жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту ее Р'оркуту? RS‚Рѕ, РІ РІСЂРёРЅС † РёРїРµ, СЂРµРіРёРѕРЅС ‹, непригодны Рµ РґР

      Absolutely agree with you.
      Автор понятия РЅРµ РёРјРµРµС ‚Рѕ предмете СЂР ° Р · РіРѕРІРѕСЂР °.
      RS,Rѕ PI SЃRѕRІRμS,SЃRєRѕRμ RІSЂRμRјSЏ RІSЃRμRјRo RїSЂR ° RІRґR ° RјRo Ryo RЅRμRїSЂR ° RІRґR ° RјRo RїS <S,R ° F "RoSЃSЊ P" SЋRґRμR№ SѓRєRѕSЂRμRЅRoS,SЊ PI SЌS,RoS ... ... SЂRμRіRoRѕRЅR ° C.
      Рђ СЃРµР№С ‡ Р ° СЃ РЅР ° СЂРѕРґ деньгу Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± отР° Р »Рё СЃРІР ° Р» РёР »С‚СѓРґР ° РіРґРµ тепл Рс.
      And the liberals immediately raise the high "everything is extinct."
      1. +2
        23 January 2020 09: 48
        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        Автор понятия РЅРµ РёРјРµРµС ‚Рѕ предмете СЂР ° Р · РіРѕРІРѕСЂР °.

        That is yes. Only here, the author in this same Vorkuta, three brothers were born and raised. One stayed there now. He also gave birth to children and lives.
        Indeed, nobody wanted to die there. But honestly worked out to a preferential pension, received apartments from the mine somewhere near Leningrad and left. And the children remained. And so they lived there until retirement. The government created many tasty things for difficult conditions. From a good salary, two-month vacations, to free resorts on the sea and apartments in central Russia. And the pension of the northerners was not very bad by Soviet standards. My aunt even in 2019 received a northern allowance for Soviet experience. And she never grieved about her youth in Vorkuta
        1. +2
          23 January 2020 21: 24
          Quote: domokl
          ....... honestly worked out to a preferential pension, received apartments from the mine somewhere near Leningrad and left. And the children remained. And in the same way they lived there until retirement. The government created many tasty things for difficult conditions. From a good salary, two-month vacations, to free resorts on the sea and apartments in central Russia. And the pension of the northerners was not very bad by Soviet standards. My aunt even in 2019 received a northern bonus for Soviet experience. And she never grieved about her youth in Vorkuta
          And my mother never regretted her youth in the north of the Khabarovsk Territory in the GRE. And I do not regret my northern childhood until 6 years old.
        2. 0
          27 January 2020 09: 44
          We were in the summer of 2018 with the wife's relatives in Syktyvkar, this is actually the very south of the Komi Republic. The aunt said that "the northern ones were removed from them," it became bad. She is a senior nurse in a city hospital, she has a long experience, her aunt is already under 60 years old. He plows in the hospital and also does injections and other things after work, 30-35 a month is obtained. Her husband plows at 2 jobs, he also receives about this. They do not live richly. No dacha, no car. And it is not expected. The city itself is also not very rich, although there are new areas with tall buildings, like in the sleeping areas of Moscow. Many who have their own car hack in a taxi, download applications and go ahead. Taxi price tags are just a fairy tale, compared to Moscow. True, and the car can drive up as a brand new Solaris-Rio-Logan-Grant, and actually smoking old firewood.
    3. +6
      22 January 2020 14: 15
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

      Р'РѕРїСЂРѕСЃ РїСЂР ° РІРѕРјРµСЂРЅС ‹Р№.
      Сегодня уже РЅРµС ‚. - РќРµС ‚СЃРјС‹ СЃР »Р ° меня РїРѕСЃС‹ Р »Р ° ть.
      РќРѕ РІРѕС ‚жил С ‹СЂРІР ° ть РЅР ° СЂР ° Р ± оте ... РІ третьей смене ... тР° РєРѕРµ Р ± С‹ Р »Рѕ.
    4. +9
      22 January 2020 14: 22
      РџРѕ мнению Р ° вторР° С З Р ° сть Арктики тоже отдР° РґРёРј, РЅСѓ РсР ЗРЗР »Р‚Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ° Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ° Р ° Рј laughing. РљР ° Рє РІРѕРѕР ± С ‰ Рµ можно РґРѕРґСѓРјР ° ться СЂР ° ссуждР° ть Рс густонР° С »Р €Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р , SЂR ° RЅS <RЅR RїR ° "° F RЅRμS,Rμ Ryo RїRѕRґRІRѕRґRoS,SЊ Rє S,RѕRјSѓ C ‡ S,Rѕ RїSЂRoRґS'S,SЃSЏ RІSЃS 'SЌS,Rѕ RѕS,RґR ° RІR S,SЊ RїRѕS,RѕRјSѓ ° C ‡ то РЅРµ Р · Р ° селил Рё. PS R 'RљRёС‚Р ° Рµ С † елы Рµ RіРѕСЂРѕРґР ° СЃС‚СЂРѕСЏС ‚Рё РЅРµ Р · Р ° сел СЏСЋС ‚Рі. РћСЂРґРѕСЃ, Рі. РљР ° РЅРіР ± Р ° С € Рё, Рі. РўСЏРЅСЊРґСѓС ‡ СЌРЅ Рё РјРЅ. РґСЂ. это РєРѕРЅРµС З РЅРѕ Р · Р ° РіР ° РґРєР ° РґР »СЏ С З РµРіРѕ РѕРЅРё это дел Р ° СЋС ‚РЅРѕ это С„ Р ° РєС ‚. Р'С ‹С ... РѕРґРёС‚ РІРѕ Р »РѕРіРёРєРё Р ° вторР°, РѕРЅРё строят С З С‚Рѕ Р ± С ‹РѕС‚РґР ° ть эту СЂРёРёРµ ° С ‡ Рµ Р · Р ° селил Рё Р ± С ‹РґР ° РІРЅРѕ. РкстР° ти тР° Рј РіРѕСЂРѕРґР ° РЅРµ Р РИР ° СЂРєР ° СЃ РҐР ° тР° РЅРіРѕР№, Рє примеру Рі. РљР ° РЅРіР ± Р ° С € Рё СЂР ° СЃСЃС ‡ итР° РЅ РЅРЅР ° С З РёСЃР »РµРЅРЅРѕСЃС‚СЊ Р ± РѕР» ее РјРёР »Р» РёРѕРЅР ° С З РПРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРПР С ‚РІ РЅС'Рј всего РѕРєРѕР» Рѕ 30-ти С‚С ‹СЃСЏС ‡.
      1. +10
        22 January 2020 14: 24
        РќР ° РќРѕРІРѕР№ Р — емле, Р — Р¤Р, РќРѕРІРѕРЃСЃРёР ± РёСЂСЃРєРёС ... островР° С ..., P RЅRёРєРѕРіРґР ° РЅРµ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ. РњС ‹РёС ... уже отдР° Р» Рё?
        1. +1
          23 January 2020 09: 51
          РќР ° РќРѕРІРѕР№ Р — емле, Р — Р¤Р, РќРѕРІРѕРЃСЃРёР ± РёСЂСЃРєРёС ... островР° С ..., P RЅRёРєРѕРіРґР ° РЅРµ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ. РњС ‹РёС ... уже отдР° Р» Рё?
          Until 1991, almost 200 thousand people permanently lived in Chukotka, plus military men and prospectors sent another 70-80 thousand. And now for 2019 only 49 thousand ......................
      2. 0
        22 January 2020 16: 56
        Quote: Air Force
        РљР ° Рє РІРѕРѕР ± С ‰ Рµ можно РґРѕРґСѓРјР ° ться СЂР ° ссуждР° ть Рс густонР° С »Р €Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р , SЂR ° RЅS <RЅR RїR ° "° F RЅRμS,Rμ Ryo RїRѕRґRІRѕRґRoS,SЊ Rє S,RѕRјSѓ C ‡ S,Rѕ RїSЂRoRґS'S,SЃSЏ RІSЃS 'SЌS,Rѕ RѕS,RґR ° RІR S,SЊ RїRѕS,RѕRјSѓ ° C ‡ то РЅРµ Р · Р ° селил Рё.

        Р'С ‹РІСЂР ° РІС‹, РІР · ять ту же РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ, тР° Рј тоже СЃ РЅР ° сел ением РЅРµ РіСѓСЃРёРєР °, ° РЅС † ев РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ, С З С‚РѕР ± С‹ отдР° ть РєРѕРјСѓ то РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ.
        1. +3
          23 January 2020 10: 09
          Р'С ‹РІСЂР ° РІС‹, РІР · ять ту же РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ, тР° Рј тоже СЃ РЅР ° сел ением РЅРµ РіСѓСЃРёРєР °, ° РЅС † ев РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ, С З С‚РѕР ± С‹ отдР° ть РєРѕРјСѓ то РђР »СЏСЃРєСѓ.
          Have you been to Alaska? And I was, so in Nome or Anchorage I can leave the home garage (right in my underpants) and go to the bank, supermarket, bar, drop into the warm garage (at each establishment) to do my thing, and go home. Plus small aircraft, so many small planes (hundreds and hundreds) I have not seen anywhere else ......
          1. 0
            23 January 2020 10: 56
            Quote: 72jora72
            Have you been to Alaska? And I was, so in Nome or Anchorage I can leave the home garage (right in my underpants) and go to the bank, supermarket, bar, drop into the warm garage (at each establishment) to do my thing, and go home.
            And we need to do the same, because nothing prevents, and people will reach there. You wrote well about it.
    5. 0
      22 January 2020 14: 34
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

      ----------------------------
      P "P" SЏ S,R ° RєRoS ... SЂR ° C ± R№RѕRЅRѕRІ P <P "SѓSЃRєRѕSЂRμRЅRЅS <R№ SЃS,R ° R¶ Ryo RґRѕ RμRіRѕ RґRѕSЃS,RoR¶RμRЅRoSЏ P" SЋRґRo S,R ° Rј RІRїRѕR " РЅРµ сеР± Рµ сидели. RќRѕ SЃRμRіRѕRґRЅSЏ R¶Rμ Sѓ RЅR SЃ RїR ° ° ° S,SЂRoRѕS,RoS ‡ RμSЃRєR SЏ RїRμRЅSЃRoRѕRЅRЅR ° SЏ SЂRμS "RѕSЂRјR °, RїR ° S,SЂRoRѕS,RoS ‡ RμSЃRєRѕRμ SЃRЅSЏS,RoRμ P" SЊRіRѕS, SЃ RІSЂRμRґRЅS <C ... RїSЂRѕS “RµСЃСЃРёР№, тоД СЊРєРѕ РїР ° С‚СЂРёРѕС‚РёС З РЅС ‹Рµ комментР° торы РѕР ± этом СѓРјР ° Р С С ‡ Р ° С РџР ° С‚СЂРёРѕС‚С ‹РЎРµС ‡ РёРЅР °, РєРѕРЅРµС З РЅРѕ.
      1. +2
        22 January 2020 17: 19
        Р СЃРµР№С З Р ° СЃ РѕР ± Р »Р ° РґР ° тел СЊ северного стР° жР° РІС ‹С ... РсРґРёС‚ РЅР ° пенсию РґРѕ.
    6. -1
      22 January 2020 14: 54
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Рђ РІС ‹СЃР ° РјРё то воедете жить РЅР ° РљСЂР ° Р№РЅРёР№ Север, РІ ту же Р'оркуту?

      --------------------
      РљР ° РєРѕР№ СЃРјС ‹СЃР» РЅР ° С € естом десятке РјРЅРµ тудР° РµС ... Р ° ть? ЧтоР± С ‹СЂР ° РЅСЊС € Рµ умереть?
      1. 0
        22 January 2020 15: 16
        R'РѕС ‚видите. P'C ‹PЅPµ C ... PsC‚ите СЂР ° РЅСЊС € Рµ умереть. Пусть тР° Рј Р¶РёРІСѓС ‚другиед, РґР» СЏ РєРѕС‚РѕСЂС ‹С ... РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ жиР· РЅРё Рё смерРРРЅР °Р °РЅРЅ
  8. -2
    22 January 2020 13: 49
    Рљ Р ° ргументР° Рј Р ° вторР° можно РїСЂРёР ± Р ° РИить только то, С З С‚Рѕ Р ± РёР · нЃеееееееееееееРRІR ° RјRѕRіSѓS, RЅR ° C ° F ‡ S,SЊ SЂR ° F · RјRμRЅ S,RμSЂSЂRoS,RѕSЂRoSЏRјRo PI RѕR ± RјRμRЅ RЅR ° F »‡ Roes RЅS <Rμ RіR ° SЂR ° RЅS,RoRo SЃRІRѕRoS ... PI SЃRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRoR№ РђР · РёРё РёР »Рё РІ Р • РІСЂРѕРїРµ. Рэто РЅРµ тР° РєРѕР№ СѓР¶ С „Р ° нтР° СЃС‚РёС З РµСЃРєРёР№ РІР ° СЂРёР ° РЅС‚, потому С З С‚Рѕ Сѓ Р ± Р ° С ‡ евР° это РІРїРѕР »РЅРµ РІРѕР» СѓС З З РёР »РѕСЃСЊ Рё РѕРЅ жирует, СЃРґР ° РІ РЎРР 'Рё Р'Р ° СЂС € Р ° РІРІРЃРєРІРЃРІРЃРІРЃРІРЃРІРЃРІРєРІРІРЃРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІР РќРѕ РјРѕР¶РµС ‚Р ± С‹ ть Рё РЅР ° РѕР ± РѕСЂРѕС ‚. R ”SESRIPROSR№ RIRSRІESRESSЃ, Сѓ РЅР ° С € его RіРѕСЃСѓРґР ° рствР° РЅРµС С С † ел еполР° Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ± РѕСЂС ‹Р№ Р ± С‹ Р »РІ РЎРЎРЎР, котоЀры Р№ Р ± С ‹Р» РїСЂРё Р РІР ° РЅРµ Р “СЂРѕР · РЅРѕРј. РњС ‹РЅР ° РѕР ± РѕСЂРѕС‚, СЂР ° Р · РґСЂРѕР ± РёР »РёСЃСЊ РЅР ° РєРІР ° Р · РёСЃР» Р ° РІСЏРЅСЃРєРёРµ РИРѕСЃРѓР °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ° Rμ, RіRґRμ RєRѕSЂRμRЅRЅS <Rμ SЌS,RЅRѕSЃS <SѓRіRЅRμS,R ° SЋS,SЃSЏ RїSЂR ° RІSЏS ‰ RμR№ RїSЂRѕRґR ° R¶RЅRѕR№ RІRμSЂS ... SѓS € RєRѕR№- RјRѕSЂR P ° P ° "SЊRЅRѕR№, P ± RμSЃSЃRѕRІRμSЃS,RЅRѕR No. Ryo C † RyoRЅRёS З РЅРѕР№.
    1. -3
      23 January 2020 09: 55
      Yeah, Gorbachev is fattening. So it’s fattening that it’s necessary to act in commercials.
  9. +4
    22 January 2020 13: 50
    If you give up the Kuriles, then (just look at the map) you can disband the Pacific Fleet. Well, leave it like the Caspian "Ozhotsk flotilla".
    1. +10
      22 January 2020 14: 03
      РЎС ‡ итР° СЋ, СЗ С‚Рѕ РґР ° же РјС ‹СЃР» ей тР° РєРёС ... РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РґРѕРїСѓСЃРєР ° ть. hi
      Quote: knn54
      If you give up the Kuriles, then (just look at the map) you can disband the Pacific Fleet. Well, leave it like the Caspian "Ozhotsk flotilla".
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 17: 00
        Quote: solzh
        РЎС ‡ итР° СЋ, СЗ С‚Рѕ РґР ° же РјС ‹СЃР» ей тР° РєРёС ... РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚РґРѕРїСѓСЃРєР ° ть.

        РЎРѕРіР »Р ° сен СЃ Р'Р ° РјРё, Рё РјС‹ СЃР »Рё эти РЅР ° С З РёРЅР ° СЋС‚ С „РѕСЂРјРёСЂРѕРІР ° С‚С Р РРекоСРЂоЂЂЂЂСРР. РќРµ СЃ простР° РІСЃС 'это.
  10. +12
    22 January 2020 13: 52
    РўР ° РєР ° СЏ ситуР° С † РёСЏ РїРѕ всей стрР° РЅРµ. РЈ РЅР ° СЃ РёР · РѕР ± Р »Р ° стного С † ентр Р» СЋРґРё еР· РґСЏС ‚РЅР ° Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± откив РњРѕСЃРєРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІРІР SЃSЏ C ... € RѕSЂRѕS RoRј SЃRїRμS Röhr ° † P "PI RoSЃS,RѕRј RєR ° RєRѕR№-S,Rѕ SЃS" RμSЂRμ RїRμSЂRμR ° ± RoSЂR SЋS,SЃSЏ R¶RoS,SЊ PI RњRѕSЃRєRІSѓ, R'RѕSЂRѕRЅRμR¶ P> RoRїRμS † Pє. Рђ РЅР ° селение РѕР ± Р» Р ° сти Рё Рё’Р ° Р№РѕРЅРЅС ‹С ... С † ентров едет РЅР ° Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р ± РѕСРРєРјРјРјРјРјРјРјРј Ryo РІР ° С ... той РІ РґСЂСѓРіРёРµ СЂРµРіРёРѕРЅС ‹. R ”R ° же деревни РІ 40 РєРј РѕС‚ РЅР ° С € его РѕР ± Р »Р ° стного С † ентрР° пусты Рµ, СЂР ° Р ± Р ± С € РєРѕР »С‹ Р · Р ° РєСЂС ‹С‚С‹ -детей РЅРµС ‚. Что воворить Рѕ Р ± РѕР »РµРµ СѓРґР ° Р» С'РЅРЅС ‹С ... РґРµСЂРµРІРЅСЏС .... Р • Р · жу РёРЅРѕРіРґР ° РІ деревню, РїСЂРё РЎРЎРЎР Р ± С ‹Р» РєРѕР »С ... РѕР · РјРёР» Р »РёРѕРЅРЅРёРє. РЎРµР№С З Р ° СЃ тР° Рј РЅРµР С ‚РѕРё РѕРґРЅРѕРѕРіРѕ РєРѕСЂРѕРІРЅРёРєР °, СЃРІРёРЅР ° СЂРЅРёРєР ° Р ..Р'РёРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРР РґРІСѓС ... этР° Р¶РЅС ‹Р№ РєР» СѓР ±. РёРєРѕР »Р ° Р · Р ° РєСЂС‹ тР°. Р'Рѕ всей деревне, Р ° РІ ней 4 селР°, РЅРµ Р ± РѕР» ее 10 РєРѕСЂРѕРІ !!! РќР ° СЂС ‹Р ± Р ° Р» РєСѓ С З РµСЂРІРµР№ РЅР ° РІРѕР · РЅС ‹С ... РїСЂРёС ... одится РїРѕРєСѓРїР ° ть РІ РІРѕСЂРѕРґР !!! Рэто РІ 500 РєРј РѕС ‚РњРѕСЃРєРІС‹ ... Рђ РІС ‹РїСЂРѕ РЎРёР ± РёСЂСЊ, Р” Р ° Р »СЊРЅРёР№ Р'осток ...
    1. 0
      22 January 2020 14: 16
      Quote: V.I.P.
      РўР ° РєР ° СЏ ситуР° С † РёСЏ РїРѕ всей стрР° РЅРµ.

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      РЈ СЃРµС З РёРЅСЅРєРёС… РїР ° триотов РІСЃРµ есть - деньги, Р ° СЂРјРёСЏ Рё РІСЃС ', С З СРРС С ... Рѕ. R “R” R ° RIRPRsRµ, теР»RµРІРёР · РѕСЂ есть, РіРґРµ РІСЃРµ РѕР ± СЉСЏСЃРЅСЏС‚ Рё РѕРїСЂРѕРІРµСЂРіРЅСѓС ‚.
    2. +3
      22 January 2020 14: 19
      РЎРІРёРЅР ° СЂРЅРёРєРѕРІ РЅРµС ‚, РЅРѕ СЃРІРёРЅРёРЅРѕР№ стрР° РЅР ° сеР± СЏ РѕР ± РµСЃРїРµС ‡ РёРІР ° есЂсРССЅ. РџР ° СЂР ° РґРѕРєСЃ. Р — РЅР ° С ‡ РёС ‚РІС‹ СЂР ° С ‰ РёРІР ° ть свиней РІС ‹РіРѕРґРЅРµР№ РІ РґСЂСРРіРёС ... регионР° С ....
      1. -1
        22 January 2020 14: 40
        R'RsS ‚SЗ С‚Рѕ то РѕС‚РµС З РµСЃС‚РІРµРЅРЅСѓСЋ СЃРІРёРЅРёРЅСѓ Сѓ сеР± СЏ РІ РсР ± Р» Р ° сти РЅР ° Р ± Р »РЋРєРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂ PµPЅPµ. R 'RsSЃRЅRsRІRЅRsRј R ° S'гентинскР° СЏ которР° СЏ РІ РІРѕР »С‚РѕСЂР ° СЂР ° Р · Р ° РґРµС € евл Рµ
        1. +3
          22 January 2020 14: 45
          Теперь СЃРІРёРЅРёРЅСѓ РѓР ° же экспортируем. Рђ РєРѕРіРґР ° эти СЃР ° РјС ‹Рµ СЃРІРёРЅР ° СЂРЅРёРєРё Р ± С‹ Р »Рё РІ РєР ° ждом РєРѕР» С ... РѕР · Рµ, РЅР ° РїСРёРєР ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ±Р ° Р ... ‹Р» Р ° РІ СЃРІРѕР ± РѕРґРЅРѕР№ РїСЂРѕРґР ° же, РґР ° Р »РµРєРѕ РЅРµ РІ РєР ° ждом регионе. Опять РїР ° СЂР ° РґРѕРєСЃ.
          1. +2
            22 January 2020 17: 48
            Рђ РІС ‹Р · РЅР ° ете РєР ° Рє РµС 'СЃРµР№С ‡ Р ° СЃ РІС‹ СЂР ° С ‰ РёРІР ° СЋС ‚? РџСЂРѕ С З СѓРґРѕ тР° Р ± Р »РµС‚РєРё СЃР» С ‹С € Р ° Р» Рё? РљР ° РєР ° СЏ-то С ... РёРјРёСЏ, С ... СЂСЋС € РєР ° Р · Р ° РїРѕР »РіРѕРґР ° РІС‹ СЂР ° стР° РµС ‚РґРѕ СЂР ° Р · меровСР ... RІ РЎРЎРЎР Р · Р ° РіРѕРґ РЅРµ РІС ‹СЂР ° стР° Р» Р °. РџСЂРё этом кто тР° Рј СЂР ° Р ± отР° РµС ‚, Сѓ РЅРёС ... Р ° Р» Р »РµСЂРіРёСЏ Сѓ РІСЃРµС ..., Рё РсРЅРё эту РЅРІРЃРІРЃРІРІРІРІР R ”R ° RµS 'RґR ° R¶Rµ RІРѕ RІРЅРµС € нему RІРёРґСѓ РІРёРґРЅРѕ, СЗ С‚Рѕ СЃ РєРѕРјР ± РёРЅР ° тР°, Р ° РЅРµ РґРѕРЅРЏС °
            1. +1
              22 January 2020 18: 16
              РўР ° Рє теперь веР· РґРµ РІС ‹СЂР ° С ‰ РёРІР ° СЋС‚, РІРѕ всем РјРёСЂРµ. РџСЂРё СССРтР° РєРёС ... С‚РµС ... РЅРѕР »РѕРіРёР№ РµС ‰ Рµ РЅРµ Р ± С‹ Р »Рѕ.
        2. -1
          23 January 2020 09: 55
          Quote: Nehist
          Here is something that I rarely observe domestic pork in my region and at a wild price

          Come to us in Siberia. You won't even see it from the neighboring area. They filled up their markets and shops. Only the pigs are not ours. One meat. Lard a couple of see Luzinsky pig breeding tried. I once read about this breed at an exhibition. Even now I can't believe that this happens. "Reaches 100 kilograms in three and a half months." Kilo a day ... What is fed to this monster ...
    3. +3
      22 January 2020 14: 53
      Многиежители соседних РѕР ± Р» Р ° стей перееР· жР° СЋС ‚РІ Р'оронеж. РўСЂСѓРґРЅРѕ РѕР ± ъяснить РїРѕС З З РµРјСѓ.
      1. +3
        22 January 2020 17: 32
        Most likely there is work. And the climate is excellent, Krasnodar and Rostov are not suitable for everyone. I was in Voronezh, I went to my historical homeland - my grandfather came from there. I liked the city!
        Well, for many people the dialect that his grandfather had remained until the end of his life - a characteristic Voronezh "hgekane". My ears were caressed to the point of impossibility - like scratching behind the ears of a cat! smile
    4. 0
      27 January 2020 09: 50
      Yes, I agree, there is such a thing, I saw it myself 300-500 km from Moscow.
  11. +7
    22 January 2020 13: 54
    We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war

    IF everything will go as it goes - unambiguously. It's a question of time. Not in this decade, so in the next, not in the next, so later. And it is not necessary to say that "the majority of the population of Russia считает islands are an integral part of "and so on. blah-blah-blah. Yeah, they often ask the opinion of the population of the Russian Federation that there is no time to eat or sleep. Just doze off - hop! And they ask something how to say you think - raise the retirement age now or later.

    IF But a dramatic turn of the course will take place (how it will happen to one god knows) and in the country, not money, but people will become the highest value, then, perhaps, we will defer Siberia and the Kuril Islands. Only here there are not even hints of such an option for the development of historical events. Or am I not seeing? Lift my eyelids! (C)
    1. +11
      22 January 2020 14: 14
      what?) having lured people with their salaries so that they would go there where they can’t survive?) shift workers who anyway will then leave back? are many here from the middle strip able to live for years at a humidity of 100 percent?) or does someone seriously imagine that people with a good education and prospects will go there,)
  12. +10
    22 January 2020 13: 58
    We don’t want to lose the country, so we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Return youth to the eastern regions!

    I, too, for all the good versus all the bad. The question is how to do this?

    Give good prospects for the future, good salaries, good living conditions, preferential housing, the opportunity to relax in the same Crimea in departmental sanatoriums and rest homes.

    You really don’t understand that this is all zilch?

    After all, we had all this! ..

    It was not because of dubious buns, but by conviction or a whip too.

    Now, when the mobility of the young population has increased sharply (my half-firms are not Muscovites), it is obvious that young people are moving to where POTENTIALLY MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR PLANS. Do you really think that the plans of young people go to sanatoriums for free? laughing Or to get 20% more while working it is not clear by whom? So the only thing that can attract them is the opportunity to grow career, professional, social. And even then not all.

    Now tell me how to provide professional growth to an aircraft engineer in a town with a population of 50000?
    And how can he receive the appropriate education if the specialized universities are only in the European part?
    A uniform settlement across the territory is generally nonsense in our conditions. That in Canada the people are very evenly dispersed?
    Everything is much more complicated than it seems to you or the authorities ....
    1. +4
      22 January 2020 14: 19
      yeah. very much the same youth today will like to go there where there is no cultural and nightlife. no drive and basic development. Damn, I wound up on weekends from Khabarovsk to Vladik to get at least some variety, but this is not the smallest city. and that bothered. young people are extremely active now and know what they want.
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 14: 24
        yeah. very much the same youth today will like to go there where there is no cultural and nightlife.

        And it is unconditionally also.
    2. +4
      22 January 2020 15: 14
      Quote: bk316
      That in Canada the people are very evenly dispersed?

      There is an incorrect comparison. Canada is part of the West, its security and existence are ensured. It was originally built on bourgeois values.
      Russia is the complete opposite in everything. For example, it was not taken into the "civilized" world even after the surrender of Eastern Europe, the USSR, almost the entire army, resources, the transfer of trillions of dollars to the West, and so on. So Canada cannot be an example for us, alas.
      1. +2
        22 January 2020 16: 58
        So Canada, alas, cannot be an example to us.

        Maybe it can’t, only people everywhere want the same .....
        And we instilled in our youth bourgeois values.
        And in general, it's time to accept that we live under capitalism.
        1. +3
          22 January 2020 19: 16
          Quote: bk316
          And in general, it's time to accept that we live under capitalism.

          The problem is that we have not accepted this and cannot accept Russia.
          Do you really think that the former CPSU boss or the KGB officer who dismantled socialism and seized the former public property would become capitalists and possess bourgeois values? No, these are just mafiosi and they possess the values ​​of bandits. Steal, hide, withdraw, hold. That's all capitalism ...
          But the lower classes generally have no idea about bourgeois values.
          As for Russia, it was originally built on non-market grounds, otherwise it was impossible to create such a state. And when you try to fit into a market (capitalist) economy, it simply falls apart. This we saw at the beginning of the 20th century, this is what we see with the beginning of perestroika. And nothing can be done here, even though every day offer a prayer to Putin and his prophet Chubais and carry out decommunization. Russia will become empty as it will.
          1. +3
            23 January 2020 11: 18
            The problem is that we have not accepted this and cannot accept Russia.

            Yes, there is a problem in refusing to accept reality.
            However, Russia already lived under capitalism, so it will not fall apart.
            1. -4
              23 January 2020 11: 43
              Quote: bk316
              However, Russia already lived under capitalism, so it will not fall apart.

              Already 10 months.
              1. +3
                23 January 2020 12: 22
                Already 10 months.

                Yes, no 40 years .....
                1. -1
                  23 January 2020 14: 41
                  Quote: bk316
                  Yes, no, 40 years ....

                  No, already 10 months. From March 1917 to January 1918
                  1. +2
                    23 January 2020 16: 32
                    . From March 1917 to January 1918

                    And in January 17, what kind of system was it? Primitive communal? laughing
          2. -2
            23 January 2020 11: 54
            Quote: Odyssey
            That's all capitalism ...

            Yes, this is another form of Bolshevism. In addition to such well-known forms of it as "war communism", "Soviet power", "socialism", "developed socialism" and "perestroika".
            It would be more correct to call this form "Soviet pseudo-capitalism".
            Neither with neo-feudalism, and, especially, with capitalism, this form has nothing in common.
            1. +3
              23 January 2020 12: 28
              Neither with neo-feudalism, and, especially, with capitalism, this form has nothing in common.

              Well, that's what I mean. People say in all seriousness, but "the government of these bourgeoisie does not press for something" or "I live poorer than others and the state does not give me money" or "the government indulges the interests of the bourgeoisie and not the working people"
              And I want to say: you are completely stupid, 30 years ago socialism collapsed, but you did not notice it?

              So it turns out that most of the people live in some kind of fictional society, and the authorities indulge them in this, and the result is "Soviet pseudo-capitalism."
              1. 0
                23 January 2020 14: 40
                Quote: bk316
                So I want to say: you are completely stupid,

                And this, and a terrible ignorance. I'm just surprised at such a dense - the Soviet people know almost nothing at all. From this and such strange actions.
                Quote: bk316
                So it turns out that most of the people live in some kind of made-up society,

                Absolutely right. Some strange semi-virtual world turns out.
                It is striking that another, an enormous amount of conscientious people really think that they live under capitalism. I wonder, but in the cap. countries they visited? Really, if you were, didn’t see anything around you?
  13. +3
    22 January 2020 13: 59
    Somehow I came across a table in which only 450 thousand people decreased in the Kemerovo region over the past quarter century. !!! I myself live in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, I know firsthand that people are leaving Siberia. What do they leave, you know - the Slavs ... these are the things. Anti-people power, what to take from it.
    1. +2
      22 January 2020 14: 20
      and people’s what can you do please tell me?) Do you know that most of those who can afford to live normally leave? but not those who have no money and prospects? those just stay. because they stupidly have nowhere to move. What do you want to lure a guy or a girl with? an apartment? with a salary three times more than in Moscow?))) and why should he not have an apartment in the city in which he will still live, and can he take and live in any mortgage? Soviet lures will not work and cannot work. only finance and nothing more. get shift workers doctors and engineers who earn money will dump back.
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 16: 48
        Do you even understand the essence of what was written or is it just for you to pamper? TRAGEDY happens, there is no other word to choose. Russians RUN from Siberia and the Far East. You do not know that nature does not tolerate emptiness and the Holy place does not happen empty? We are losing the lands that our ancestors conquered and mastered ... WE LOSE, because of talkers like you!
        1. +1
          22 January 2020 18: 03
          How much pathos .. trouble directly .. what are you doing so that the children stay at least yours?
          1. +3
            22 January 2020 18: 28
            All that is in my power - I live, work.
            1. +2
              22 January 2020 20: 29
              Respect, in this case, what you work, do ..... I lived in Khabarovsk for 16 years from 1974 to 89, and the Far East is no wonder for me
          2. +1
            24 January 2020 10: 42
            IN THE MONASTER (parable)
            In a certain monastery, a monk saw how in the evening darkness one of the brothers climbed over the fence and headed towards the village.

            “This fornication went into the world of fornication to create,” he thought. Another saw the same picture. "This is a thief from the brothers went to the village to steal something," this thought. The third thought: "This is one of God's servants who went secretly to give alms." Why are there three such different reactions to the same picture? Because everyone judged by himself.

            For the fornicator the whole world is fornication. For the thief, the whole world is stealing. For the servant of God, the whole world pleases the Creator. We will also check ourselves in this pattern.
        2. +6
          22 January 2020 18: 47
          why then without a tribune then?) I hardly understood one of the inhabitants of those places and I’m not running. but my friends are leaving. not at all poor friends I note. Do you know why? climate and boredom. What do you want to keep them with? fiery speeches or still understand the reasons for this? you do not hold their apartments or salary understand. they left from there in batches and with the union. I’ve lived all my life in a military town and saw how neighbors change more often than now. in stock container and bye.
          1. +3
            22 January 2020 19: 01
            The mass outflow began with the collapse of the USSR, at that time I was 20 years old, before the age of 91, nobody had gone anywhere (I can’t speak for the military - I don’t know), I didn’t hear about them, I didn’t see and didn’t know. People didn’t even have such a desire. And you can leave people in Siberia, but this requires the desire of those in power, and unfortunately it does not exist.
            1. +5
              22 January 2020 19: 13
              yes there was. everyone who could always leave) you just didn’t notice it. the privileges plowed away and why stay where the climate, to put it mildly, is not the most pleasant? desire of those in power? Yes, even if it has any mechanisms? and I’m not just about letting people work here and what would they and their children stay too. Retirement at 45? so will leave immediately after the release. salaries? I repeat they will save as much as necessary and again they will leave. apartments? Well, what do you think a modern young man. where is it more interesting for him to live in St. Petersburg or in Yakutsk? Moscow or Khabarovsk?
          2. 0
            24 January 2020 07: 48
            You are a temporary worker, not a resident of the Far East. No need to project the life of a military camp on the population. The military drank alcohol, but poached it. My ancestors mastered Altai and Primorye. Love this land. The uncle after captivity in the USA turned out to be asking for a pinch of his native land to send. You do not understand this. Probably there was no length of service to pull with the Far East? Do you even have a homeland? When a person dreams about their native places. People who worry about the Far East write here.
    2. -1
      23 January 2020 11: 44
      Quote: Hagakure
      Somehow I came across a table in which only 450 thousand people decreased in the Kemerovo region over the past quarter century. !!!

      So that’s good. Kemerovo is not the tidbit for living. People go where to live better. What's bad about it?
  14. -6
    22 January 2020 14: 00
    To change the situation, we must move on to socialism. And since this is not expected in the near future, there will most likely be a delivery of Indians in addition to Tajiks and other Uzbeks in about 10 years, and of course they will slightly stimulate the birth rate among Aboriginal people so that they do not rebel.
    1. -2
      22 January 2020 14: 20
      And how under socialism to drive people to live in conditions poorly suited for life?
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 15: 53
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        And how under socialism to drive people to live in conditions poorly suited for life?

        And that all Siberia and Primorye are unsuitable for life? And why immediately drive?
        1. +1
          22 January 2020 16: 09
          I'm talking about the Arctic.
          1. -1
            22 January 2020 16: 33
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            I'm talking about the Arctic.

            Thanks, Cap.
  15. +5
    22 January 2020 14: 05
    Where they once fled, as in Soviet Vorkuta, children, now severe peasants who arrived for three months or six months on duty. Earn money and go home!

    Not an example, but a solid nonsense.
    To the author a question. And what is there to do in Vorkuta? Except for harsh men get money. You were there? What climate do you know? And thank God that children do not run there. Because in the summer they must be taken to the south. For the summer in Vorkuta is very short. You need to live in reunions with a normal climate. So that at least there is no permafrost. And all these Vorkuta, Norilsk and other similar cities should be a purely workplace. And families have nothing to do there.
    1. +1
      22 January 2020 14: 16
      The slogan is guys from Chukotka and Crimeans, brothers forever in life
  16. -4
    22 January 2020 14: 10
    We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war ...

    We have nothing to give. What in this country has not yet been privatized and belongs to us? And in Siberia, the sale of resources and minerals is proceeding as if it is urgent to catch up to the year 2021 ... The deadline is 2024 ...
    1. -1
      22 January 2020 14: 25
      And when you belonged. Did you have your own mine or a drill?
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 14: 29
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        And when you belonged. Did you have your own mine or a drill?

        You are now happy for me or you decided to prove that in the USSR the resources did not work for the citizens of the country, but free housing. education, medicine, etc. - the fruits of violent imagination of the elderly who did not have time to “die”?
        1. +2
          22 January 2020 14: 39
          Judging by the shelves in the stores, they didn’t work very well. Meanwhile, resources that were in short supply for their citizens were spent on feeding the satellites and any banana communist kings. And the money there was swollen by the illusory. Apparently, at the request of the working people. And you rented apartments from the state, but did not receive ownership.
  17. 0
    22 January 2020 14: 15
    For the development of the territory beyond the Urals under the Tsar Emperor, if I am not mistaken, the Moscow-Vladivostok railway tariff on the newly built Transiba was equal to the Moscow-Astrakhan tariff, which contributed to the development of Siberia and the Far East.
    Now Russian Railways has become what destroys the country, given its open spaces.
    1. +2
      22 January 2020 14: 22
      Is Russian Railways reconstructing BAM and the Trans-Siberian Railway to destroy the country? An interesting train of thought.
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 21: 33
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        An interesting train of thought.

        And what is he wrong about, Andrei? The reconstruction is reconstruction, but the ticket prices really go wild. It’s more expensive to go to Baikal than to Turkey or Egypt.
        1. -1
          22 January 2020 22: 19
          It’s better to go to Baikal by plane. Four days by train is another pleasure.
      2. 0
        22 January 2020 23: 06
        For the export of forest and other resources, this reconstruction of the Russian Railways. And also, to cut the dough on the federal budget. Have you looked at prices for a long time from Moscow to Krasnoyarsk? I’m silent before Vlad ... Almost caught up with the air
    2. +3
      22 January 2020 14: 23
      Now Russian Railways has become what destroys the country, given its open spaces.

      C'mon, is 15000 expensive? And if the toad strangles and there are tickets for 9000, by the way, almost like in Astrakhan.
  18. +4
    22 January 2020 14: 30
    Everything is fine, correctly written, but the author demands the impossible.
    Why did people travel to the North and Siberia in the USSR? Not only for ideological reasons or for coercion. And because
    1) Provided housing
    2) There was work, and work is permanent, and not half a year, a year.
    3) The salary was higher than in Moscow. Plus perks.
    That’s the whole secret. Can I do it now? No, It is Immpossible.
    Why? Because the state does not control anything the last state unitary enterprises and municipal unitary enterprises will be privatized. How can it provide something there?
    A joint-stock company conducting commercial activities a priori will not provide all this. Why on earth? This is not his concern. People do business for profit.
    So in the modern Russian Federation all the wonderful wishes of the author, alas, will remain only words.
  19. -4
    22 January 2020 14: 35
    So, in the years 1635-37, the Japanese learn about the existence of these islands, inhabited by the Ainu tribes.

    And even earlier, when the local tribe of macaques migrated together with islets from Eurasia to the Sea of ​​Japan, the Japanese nation subsequently appeared there, the flesh from the flesh of these incredibly inquisitive creatures. They ate everything but anything, not fish, which, in the cigarette lighter, however, never existed. It was always so comfortable on land to live there. And it’s nothing like micro-earthquakes every day, but ordinary once a year.
    There are sakura and bamboo. Kuril Islands?
    No, they did not open them.
  20. +7
    22 January 2020 14: 40
    Unfortunately, "bring back the youth" "create, help" "unfold, turn". These are also slogans. For example, there is China, which is quite prosperous, but even with all its resources and built-up infrastructure, the Chinese do not want to go to the north of China. They prefer to live in Hong Kong cages. Have you seen the population density of Alaska? And the north of Canada? We have the largest area of ​​the country, most of which is in the north. This problem can never be solved. And the problem of border integrity is solved exclusively by the armed forces.
    1. +2
      22 January 2020 14: 44
      Quote: gvozdan
      Unfortunately, "bring back the youth" "create, help" "unfold, turn". These are also slogans.

      ------------------------
      In Soviet times, there was a lot of romance, these regions were romanticized — the northern lights, geologists, Papanin, Chelyuskin, Two captains, and so on.
      1. +4
        22 January 2020 15: 21
        You won’t be full of romance. Although the North is beautiful to impossibility. Romance needs to be reinforced. Ruble, preferably long.
        1. 0
          22 January 2020 21: 34
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Ruble, preferably long.

          So it used to be strengthened.
    2. 0
      26 January 2020 21: 12
      But the author does not want to look at the demographic map of China. Exploiting the prevailing opinion that China will seize the Far East and Siberia by the fact that the Chinese will come there from all over China. The provinces bordering Russia, although more populated than our regions, have a very small population compared to the southeastern regions of China. And Hainan or Shenzhen are much more desirable places for the Chinese.
      Regarding the fact that our elite has long sold the entire territory of the country and is waiting only for a convenient moment to officially consolidate this fact. I hear this since the beginning of the 90s, and things are still there.
      And of course, one cannot fail to mention the beloved by the all-wearers: - they have houses there, children, money. I want to remind you that since the Middle Ages, the whole European nobility, including ours, has been in kinship with each other. Sometimes in a very close relationship, sometimes not so much. But this did not stop them from fighting each other when it was necessary.
      For example, in the description of the Battle of Kearsey, I did not meet the mention that in the British camp there was talk about the fact that Edward 3 was a Frenchman. He has a family from Anjou. Now he’ll hand over everything to Philip 6.
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  22. +5
    22 January 2020 14: 47
    One way is to abolish income tax for individuals for permanent residents. To the people in Siberia and the Far East, one hell, once or twice, and miscalculated - the budget will not falter. But as one of the incentives - quite. Yes, and purely because of climate conditions, people can still be less torn ..
    1. +5
      22 January 2020 15: 24
      it will not work. registration and real residence are not always the same. besides, you’ll lose more than you gain because I suppose at least children, and here holidays are born a year, you need at least two with departure to other climatic zones. in the summer, in addition to mosquitoes and other joys, like poplars and allergies, humidity is 100 percent at a temperature of 30+.
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 16: 02
        Well, I only suggested as an option. To work officially and not on duty and receive income in the same region where it is registered - and the issue is resolved. Well we're talking about permanent residents.
        Yes, in principle, there are a lot of options - but the essence is the same, you should not tear three skins from a skinny cow. Maybe then the population growth will begin in Siberia and the Far East.
        1. +5
          22 January 2020 16: 11
          Yes, I understand) I mean that all this is not enough) housing? there is no point in a system where mortgages really work. salaries more than in the whole country? Well, maybe several times only, but these people just make money and dump it back. I’m just for my service, and before that, as a child, when my father served, I saw how, after retirement, officers left in large numbers. it was just a temporary place for the sake of service and other things. it’s hard to live there. Of course, you can stir up the construction of the next century, but when it ends, they will all go back in the same way. the only thing that will save in modern realities is the enlargement of cities to the level of megacities. with the transfer to them of all fully controlling state systems for these regions. so that large companies move there. from the capitals. only this will not happen because we have 9 time zones) and we must live with this reality.
          1. +3
            22 January 2020 16: 19
            Well, about the climate - yes, not sugar at all. And then the midge with mosquitoes in the wild - this is that song! But in winter everything is in order! laughing wink
            European Russia is suffering right now - there is no snow! And with us - at least send freight trains, it still will not become smaller! laughing
            1. +5
              22 January 2020 16: 32
              Yes, what a winter))) January month on the street minus 12 as many) without a cap FIG knows how many years I go. the hood is enough) although again, at such humidity, the minus temperature is not as tolerated as in the west. but try the youth educated and promising in these joys drag out. )
              1. +3
                22 January 2020 17: 45
                Well, my relatives left for Crimea three years ago. So now the nephew came to school holidays (16 years old guy) - he says: "I don't want to leave, I need this Crimea, in the summer everything burns out, in the daytime I have to hide from the heat, in winter there are four off-season months, like autumn is here! For three years, snow -5 times saw! I do not want to go back !! " laughing
                So here any opinion takes place to be ..
                1. +3
                  22 January 2020 18: 34
                  Quote: Michael2019
                  “I don’t want to leave, I need this Crimea, in the summer everything burns out, in the daytime I have to hide from the heat, in the winter there are four off-season months, like autumn is here! I've seen snow 5-7 times in three years! I don’t want to go back !!”

                  laughing Get used to it, I have lived my entire conscious life in such a climate. Our winter is certainly not ice, -2 is enough and you already want summer when the thermometer rises to +48. As for the snow, they were still lucky, we have seen snow twice in three winters. They say Northern Caucasus.... request
                  1. +4
                    22 January 2020 18: 42
                    I was in Novorossiysk on one of my business trips there at the end of October. And just their famous Bora happened! I cursed everything: in two or three minutes it got "to the bone"! Well, his nafig - better in Neryungri or Yakutsk in January at minus 57 !!!
                    So I don’t know if the tribe will get used to it .. wink
                    1. 0
                      22 January 2020 23: 40
                      Now there are no such Nord-skeleton. The latter was more or less serious in 2011. There were no winds like those that blew in the 90s after 2000. Climat is changing. We already have no snow in winter.
              2. 0
                23 January 2020 10: 05
                laughing
                Quote: carstorm 11
                January month on the street minus 12 as many as possible) without a hat FIG knows how many years I go. Hood and enough)

                And we already had minus 27 ... I’m bragging about it. True, only three to four days. almost 72 laughing But the snow really got it. Tortured garage dig out
      2. -2
        22 January 2020 21: 36
        Quote: carstorm 11
        it's not gonna go.

        The abolition of VAT in a single district - a ride! wink
  23. +2
    22 January 2020 14: 48
    It is hard to believe, but in such conditions only ... true Russian patriots survive. Loud words?

    Nonsense is everything, not big words.
    I admit that all, literally all the people who live there are Patriots with a capital letter.
    But they do not live there because patriots or they really like it, although this may be so.
    And they live there, because they have nowhere else to go. Nobody is waiting for them anywhere. And these people simply do not have money to buy new housing in another city, in the west of Russia.
    My friends live in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. In general, take a word, live in Kaliningrad, Sochi, Krasnodar, Ryazan, well, I don’t know where else, write yourself, it’s better than in the Far East. Probably worse only in the Arctic Circle.
    In my humble opinion...
    1. +2
      22 January 2020 15: 23
      Been to Sakhalin. Often. Do you think we have a better climate in the Northwest?
  24. 0
    22 January 2020 14: 50
    The reduction in population and the ban on ruble lending to businesses are subject to the definition of government as a colonial administration. It is interesting that all officials interested in protecting statehood observe this and show tolerance. Tolerance is not a demonstration of resistance to evil, violence and lawlessness. Since when have demonstrations become free again?
  25. +1
    22 January 2020 14: 51
    According to statistics, the resident population of the Tyumen region (with its districts, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug) and its cities is constantly growing.
  26. +5
    22 January 2020 14: 51
    On the one hand, from the point of view of the state, it is necessary to populate the eastern regions. On the other hand, from the point of view of a specific person who has one life, it is better to live where it is better - i.e. where climate, infrastructure, etc. etc.
    Now try to convince this particular person that the interests of the state are more important to him than the interests of his family.
  27. +3
    22 January 2020 15: 11
    As a person who lived on Sakhalin for many years, bypassed almost the entire Far East on ships, visited from dozens of days to a year in more than three dozen big and small cities and towns of Primorye, the Khabarovsk Territory, Sakhalin, repeatedly visited Magadan, Petropavlovsk, and Shikotan, Kunashira, Iturup, I can say that I almost completely agree with Alexander and share his concern. Yes, I was there a long time ago, back in Soviet times. But since then I have been closely following the changes taking place there. Yes, it is clear that some changes are taking place there, something has changed for the better. But, it seems to me, little and not everywhere. The reason, I believe, is the lack of attention and funds allocated by the center. Enough to polish and lick Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's time to deal with the rest of Russia! And it is necessary to begin the restoration of the development of the Far East and the North with the primary construction of normal housing. Then the youth will stretch. TOTALLY agree with the last paragraph! But I doubt that in today's Russian realities this is possible.
    1. +3
      22 January 2020 17: 10
      Enough to polish and lick Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's time to deal with the rest of Russia!

      In principle, I agree with this Muscovite. Well, I don’t know why, once a year, the tiles are stopped and the borders in the yards are changed. But this alone will not help population growth in Siberia. I already wrote why.
      1. +2
        22 January 2020 17: 33
        You know, if the tiles and curbs were to be refurbished in the courtyards of Moscow not every year, but in two years for the third, and even if there was something to save money on, then, I believe, in 10 years all of Siberia could be improved. And young people from the comfortable Siberia would not have been so eager to leave for a prosperous Moscow, which Muscovites would be glad to see (otherwise they "come in large numbers here!"). Yes, and the young people who remained in Siberia would have children, the growth of the population of Siberia WOULD begin ... And there, you see, it would have reached the Far East, the Kuriles would have reached ... I don't know how correct the figures that have recently turned up are, but it is argued that MORE THAN HALF funds for the improvement of RUSSIA is being mastered by Moscow. I am in no way against the REASONABLE improvement of the capitals, but there is a reasonable limit! smile
        1. +5
          22 January 2020 19: 11
          And young people from well-maintained Siberia wouldn’t be so anxious to leave for prosperous Moscow,

          I already wrote in another thread. But you either did not read or did not understand. I will explain.
          Although all Siberian cities can be tiled, even if Moscow Ring Road is built around each settlement, you can even build residential buildings, only THIS WILL NOT STOP YOUNG PEOPLE FROM MOVING TO MOSCOW.
          Because young people are not going to Moscow for livability. A large number of cities in the Russian Federation are more comfortable than Moscow, and go to Moscow. BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.
          And the possibilities here are a priori incomparably higher.
          This is due to
          - metropolitan position
          - a huge infrastructure (you can’t build one in 10 or 20 years)
          - geographical location
          - huge market
          Well, where will you find a city in Siberia with 15 MILLION WORKPLACES, and the Moscow metropolitan area is just that.


          I’ll tell you more when I retire, I’ll definitely leave Moscow, because it’s hard to live in Moscow and no money from the tiles will change that.
          1. +1
            22 January 2020 19: 23
            You know, I don’t have much time to read. Therefore, I did not read your words in another thread. Only I do not agree with you. I believe (I believe, like all residents of NOT Moscow) that OPPORTUNITIES should not be concentrated in several cities of the European part of Russia, but more or less evenly distributed throughout the country.

            Funny moment. While working in the Far East, I had several summer vacations in the Crimea and the Caucasus (the Black Sea is still much better for recreation than the Okhotsk, Bering and even the Japanese). What's so funny? Each time there was a strong feeling that I was in Moscow: Muscovites were all around.
            1. +3
              22 January 2020 19: 29
              I believe (I believe, like all residents of NOT Moscow) that OPPORTUNITIES should not be concentrated in several cities of the European part of Russia, but more or less evenly distributed throughout the country.

              So I think so too. Just how to fix it?
              None of the points that I have listed can be changed either for the budget of Moscow or for the budget of all of Russia. Moreover, for no money .....
              Maybe new technologies will change it, but most likely (it’s the matter), a mega-agglomeration of Moscow and the surrounding areas will arise. And 70% of the country's population will live there.
              The first step has been taken if earlier from my door to Tver it was 3 or more hours, now it’s easy and a half - you can already go to work ....
          2. -2
            22 January 2020 21: 40
            Quote: bk316
            BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

            So you need to create these opportunities, and people will stretch. I am not a fan of the United States, but they have a consumer tax, an analogue of our VAT, remains directly in place, and does not go to the capital, as we do.
            1. -3
              22 January 2020 21: 53
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I am not a fan of the United States, but they have a consumer tax, an analogue of our VAT, remains directly in place, and does not go to the capital, as we do

              Dear friend, in the Russian Federation VAT goes not "to the capital", but to the federal budget wink

              Moreover, from your offer to "leave it in place", it will be the capital that will benefit (surprise-ee!) belay

              Logic, Ingvar, where is your logic?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              So you need to create these features.

              Can you tell me how? Let's laugh together ...

              About VAT, for example, you have already very successfulabout it turned out laughing
              1. -1
                22 January 2020 21: 58
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Dear friend, in the Russian Federation VAT goes not "to the capital", but to the federal budget

                Kisa, has the capital ceased to be a federal center? belay
                For the rest of your inarticulate phrases nothing is clear, if you want to ask a question - formulate it normally. If the processor pulls. wink
                1. -5
                  22 January 2020 22: 10
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  and the capital ceased to be a federal center?

                  No, I haven't. But VAT does not go "to the capital", but to the budget of the Russian Federation laughing

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  For the rest of your slurred phrases, nothing is clear

                  Is mail really bad? Ok, one more time:

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  from your offer to "leave it in place", it is the capital that will benefit (surprise!)

                  What's not clear? Where VAT is paid more - in Moscow or in the village. Gadyukino?

                  Now this VAT goes to the budget of the Russian Federation, from where, in particular, subsidies are paid to the respective regions.

                  Your proposal will stupidly leave this VAT "in place". That is, in Moscow. And no subsidies for you belay

                  I think the inhabitants of the village. Gadyukino your offer will not be appreciated.

                  And, yes ... throw rudeness, buddy. It is extremely unhealthy. Yes
                  1. +2
                    22 January 2020 23: 00
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Now this VAT goes to the budget of the Russian Federation, from where, in particular, subsidies are paid to the respective regions.

                    Do not be fooled by Kees, the abolition of VAT in individual regions is primarily a reduction in the tax burden on residents of these regions. It is necessary to proceed from this in the first place.
                    And for subsidies - the Samara region pays more VAT than many regions, and horseradish with oil subsidies.
                    In 2018 VAT collected in Russia - 3,6 trillion. rubles and allocated in the form of subsidies 675 mln.rub. With mathematics, are we friends? wink
                    And by the way, I recommend taking an interest in the amount of subsidies from the Amur and Sakhalin regions. Here Sasha Staver is 100% right.
                    1. -5
                      23 January 2020 07: 05
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      VAT cancellation in individual regions, this is primarily

                      This makes no sense. Let me remind you, it used to be

                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I'm not a fan of the US, but they have a consumer tax, an analogue of our VAT, remains directly in place

                      You already decide there for yourself what you want for something ... then come in and talk.
    2. +4
      22 January 2020 18: 36
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      Enough to polish and lick Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's time to deal with the rest of Russia!

      Golden words .... they would also be in the ears ...
      1. +8
        22 January 2020 20: 37
        Victor hi They would be in the ears of those who Far East and Siberia oversees.
        P.S. Give me Alyasochka back (s) Lube. It will also not be superfluous. good
  28. +1
    22 January 2020 15: 14
    Well, I live on Sakhalin, visit the Kuril Islands, communicate with the Kuril people. The region’s main problem is the robbery of Moscow. The budget has for some time become very decent, but Moscow once again robbed the islands.
    In the Kuril Islands. Severo-Kurilsk is a tin. Iturup is just well developed, roads are being built, a new airport has been opened. A lot of things are also being built in Kunashir. Things are going on in Shikotan, a new school was built, and a new fish factory has recently been opened. If not for Moscow, things would have gone much better. But alas ...
  29. 0
    22 January 2020 15: 17
    Demography is not only a problem of having children. This is the problem of uniform population of the country. - Golden words
  30. -4
    22 January 2020 15: 20
    "Trumps" in the hands of the Japanese we gave in 1855. It was then that, according to the Shimodsk treaty (February 7, 1855), Japan received Iturup and Kunashir, the islands of the Lesser Kuril ridge, and Sakhalin, though as an undivided territory. In 1875, we signed a new agreement (St. Petersburg Territory Exchange Agreement), according to which Sakhalin became Russian, and all the Kuril Islands Japanese.

    In 1905, after a defeat in the Russo-Japanese war, we again surrendered the southern part of Sakhalin and the islands of Japan (Portsmouth Peace Treaty on September 5, 1905, territories south of the 50th parallel). Thus, for 40 years, Japan gained possession of the Kuril Islands and part of Sakhalin.

    After the defeat in World War II, Japan signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender (September 2, 1945) and fully accepted the obligations to implement the decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. The islands of the Kuril ridge were transferred to the USSR.

    The borders of Japan were reduced to 4 large islands and many small islands of the Japanese archipelago.

    Officially, the Kuril Islands were incorporated into the USSR on February 2, 1946. By 1949, all Japanese living on the islands were deported to Hokkaido.



    It is enough to read only this to understand that nothing lasts forever .. everything comes and goes at different times ..
  31. +8
    22 January 2020 15: 27
    So that not severe peasants would come to the Arctic, but young couples and just live ...

    Dear Author, Do you know a lot of countries where young families live in large numbers in the Arctic? In Canada, for example, these are the same severe peasant shift workers and a small number of local people in the villages to serve them.
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    1. +3
      22 January 2020 16: 38
      “Tops” are not up to it now. They are busy with the fact that they would not be pushed away from the trough in the process of "constitutional reforms" to endow the Fabulous with life-long powers.


      Deutscheletle is also against such reforms. I read an article today - as according to Western experts - Russia is doing poorly with these reforms

      And unlike you, the mouthpieces of German and Anglo-Saxon propaganda - can not afford to call Putin that - Dada, even these garbage can not yet allow themselves this. In Ukraine, such headlines are the norm. They can even cooler

      You would also read the Western press. There are many blanks there. You can directly copy and paste the accusations of "this power" in "this country"

      1. +4
        22 January 2020 17: 17
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        I read an article today - as according to Western experts - Russia is doing poorly with these reforms

        Something you, Mr. Petrov, with Western experts have beguiled. Reforms were launched not by Russia, but by Putin and Co.
        can't afford to call that Putin

        And what did he do wrong to them? Putin’s gas supplies regularly, they’re always ready for discounts, they take goods, they store and spend money, they teach children, they pay contributions to PACE, they don’t expand the CSTO to the west, they call friends and partners.
        You would also read the western press. There are many blanks.

        If you are accustomed to the training manual, there is no need to impose on others. Moreover, I am equally "for" Deutschewelle or "against" the reforms.
        1. 0
          22 January 2020 17: 30
          Moreover, I am equally "for" Deutschewelle or "against" the reforms.


          okay on deutschewell. But even though you respect Khodorkovsky with his MBH and Opinion of Udaltsov, broadcast through the mouthpiece of Khodorkovsky? Or is it better to quote Echo of Moscow, or is it possible to Medusa? It’s definitely not subordinate to the tentacles of the Kremlin



          Feel what serious twinning with you?



          And what did he do wrong to them?


          well, he also did only good to Ukrainians (

    2. +4
      22 January 2020 16: 59
      look what guys. Have you subscribed, like?



      even the party is against!



      and how they made it with "Fabulous". I can directly see you and the Deutschewelle as brothers. You have one goal. One hope. One front.

      But you will not win

      1. +5
        22 January 2020 17: 38
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        You have one goal. One hope. One front.
        But you will not win

        fool
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        but how did they make it with "Fabulous"

        I think feel hurt someone's religious feelings
        1. -1
          22 January 2020 17: 41
          and sho it? isn’t there one goal? Or do you doubt my words about your failure?) Oh well, that you are modest. You even write plus minus the same way. Well, with the Censor. No.

          hurt someone's religious feelings


          do you think the words of an adult (this is a very important clarification, I think) can hurt me, men who distort the name of the commander in chief and president, for whom 40 million compatriots voted?

          I would then be offended by offended gabunyats, Baltic tigers and Poles and patriots from the outskirts. But they cause me only a smirk and a little pity.

          Like our patient opposition, it causes about the same set of feelings in me.

          Even Novodvorskaya, Latynina, and Atlokh with Svarog do not hurt my feelings when they say that our people are not the same. I bet this is always ready.
          1. +2
            22 January 2020 17: 55
            isn’t there one goal?

            And which one?
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            I think the words of an adult (this is a very important clarification, I think) can hurt me, men who distort the name of the commander in chief and president,

            I think yes. Although the name, God forgive me, I did not touch the president.
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            our patient opposition gives me about the same set of feelings

            And here I agree!
            1. +2
              22 January 2020 18: 10
              And which one?


              1. Putin must leave. 2. The Constitution shall not be amended. 3. As ideally: a coup, maidan, pots and the path to a brighter future

              Or it seemed to me?

              I think yes.


              after monitoring foreign commentators and local sad ones, something might hurt me. So many things I have not read. Even when they start to write about "mothers" - it's already familiar. That such characters still have. Take a steam bath because of this audience .. No, vryatli.

              Although the name, God forgive me, I did not touch the president.

              I am not a prosecutor. What you really are.

              1. +2
                22 January 2020 19: 25
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                1. Putin must leave.

                Yes, he should. After his presidency expires in 24. Or earlier, if you suddenly get tired. As a guarantor of compliance with the Law in the country. It's my opinion. Is this my goal? The goal of the village teacher is to overthrow Putin! Isn't that funny to you yourself? This is the same as the goal of St. Petrov, to prevent Putin's departure. Immediately I remember "The haberdasher and the cardinal will save France" laughing
                Is Putin’s departure the goal of DW? I also strongly doubt that the media would set the goal of leaving anyone. And why should the Western world overthrow the GDP. After all, everything is fine. Under Putin, the Russian Federation continues to degrade technologically, economically and demographically and is in different weight categories with the West. Why intervene in what suits you.
  33. +2
    22 January 2020 16: 54
    There was a way to such a settlement of Siberia, thousands of 2-3 dispossessed on barges and away into the wilderness. You live there now, and nobody even needs to pay. hi
    1. -2
      22 January 2020 17: 07
      There was also the Soviet way of settling Siberia. The ban on residence in large cities after the end of the sentence.
  34. +1
    22 January 2020 16: 57
    - And no wonder! While the traders are in power - everything that can be sold will be sold! Amen!am
  35. -1
    22 January 2020 17: 07
    What ?! Related article !!! Seriously. Everyone screams "we won't give it up, we won't let it go," but in fact, everyone is firing from there, and no one is bringing down there. Then the question is: what for to squeal ?! By the way, this problem concerns not only Siberia, the Far East and the Arctic. This topic is also relevant in the European part, for example, for the Saratov region ... We boast of a huge territory, and use 20 percent for living. So let the Chinese then take Russian citizenship and move there, build cities and villages, infrastructure, maybe even then these lands will become attractive to other citizens.
    1. +3
      22 January 2020 20: 30
      Canadians have a much smaller percentage of the territory populated. So in our case, in any case, no more than 30% of the territory can be densely populated. Do you propose to populate the tundra, forest-tundra, zone of Arctic deserts? What for?
      1. 0
        25 January 2020 15: 07
        Why focus on Canadians ?! Canada is much smaller than Russia. And anyway ... What's the habit of comparing with someone ?!
        1. 0
          25 January 2020 16: 18
          Canada is a huge country in territory, the second in the world after us. And in terms of climatic conditions, we are very similar in many respects. Although the climate in the main resettlement zone of Canada is softer compared to our main resettlement zone.
  36. +3
    22 January 2020 17: 15
    What is the author Staver, such provocative articles often began to write ..? What is it for ? People and so pissed ..
    Russia just handed out vast territories to the "brothers" with all the industry, and so on. (Russians were simply kicked out and ... you know what you did ... and now they are still yelling about compensation and benefits ..
    And the Kuril Islands, it’s like Crimea for us .. If we give it back, we’ll sell it, then everyone thinks there is no Russia, as a state and a Russian nation ..
    I remember that Yeltsin was already going to Japan to give the Kuril Islands ... But thank God, there were people in his circle who did not allow this by talking, or having drunk the "guarantor" and he forgot about it .. hi
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  37. +3
    22 January 2020 17: 25
    In 1875 year we signed a new agreement (St. Petersburg Territory Exchange Agreement), according to which Sakhalin became Russian, and all the Kuril Islands Japanese.

    In 1905, after the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, we again surrendered the southern part of Sakhalin and the islands of Japan (Portsmouth Peace Treaty on September 5, 1905, territories south of the 50th parallel). Thus, for 40 years, Japan gained possession of the Kuril Islands and part of Sakhalin.


    I see some inaccuracy in these first two paragraphs. The Kuril Islands became Japanese for at least 70 years, not 40

    After the defeat in World War II, Japan signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender (September 2, 1945) and fully accepted the obligations to implement the decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. The islands of the Kuril ridge were transferred to the USSR.

    The borders of Japan were reduced to 4 large islands and many small islands of the Japanese archipelago.

    Officially, the Kuril Islands are included in the USSR February 2, 1946


    Decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. if I’m not mistaken, they do not belong to the Kuril Islands. Only in paragraph 8 was it written:

    8. The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine.


    Japan, while it concluded a peace treaty with the United States on September 8, 1951, but did not sign an agreement with the USSR or Russia. It is difficult to determine the ownership of the islands of Russia, since the contract does not yet exist.

    The inclusion of islands by both Catherine II and the USSR has nothing to do with international law - it is rather a policy of a fait accompli.

    Not surprisingly, Japan lost the war, and the USSR took what it considered appropriate from a position of strength.

    And while Russia is strong, the Kuril Islands will remain within the borders of Russia. I can’t imagine anyone in Russia letting me give this territory away. And right !!!

    He writes about this without emotion, without judging - enjoying only the fact that there are no territorial claims between our countries, because then ... it was completely scary.
    1. -1
      23 January 2020 00: 16
      Decisions of the Potsdam Conference of July 26, 1945. if I’m not mistaken, they do not belong to the Kuril Islands. Only in paragraph 8 was it written:

      do not apply on the basis of the Cairo Declaration referred to in the quote.
      But you mistakenly think that the USSR took what it wanted.
      There are also Yalta agreements in which the transfer of the Kuril Islands is expressly stipulated.
      Another thing is the contradiction between the Potsdam Declaration and the Yalta Agreements, but the USSR acted strictly on the Yalta Agreements on this issue.
      http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/194502krym.php
      The Yalta Agreement of the Three Great Powers on the Far East
      ...
      The leaders of the three great powers - the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain - agreed that two to three months after the surrender of Germany and the end of the war in Europe, the Soviet Union would enter the war against Japan on the side of the allies, subject to:

      ...

      2. The restoration of the rights belonging to Russia, violated by the treacherous attack of Japan in 1904, namely:

      a) the return to the Soviet Union of the southern part of Fr. Sakhalin and all the islands adjacent to it,

      b) the internationalization of the trading port of Dairen, ensuring the priority interests of the Soviet Union in this port and the restoration of leases for Port Arthur, as the naval base of the USSR,

      c) the joint operation of the Sino-Eastern Railway and the South Manchurian Railway, which gives access to Dairen, on the basis of the organization of a mixed Soviet-Chinese Society with the primary interests of the Soviet Union, while keeping in mind that China retains full sovereignty in Manchuria.
      3. Transfers to the Soviet Union of the Kuril Islands.
      ...
      The Heads of Government of the Three Great Powers agreed that these claims of the Soviet Union should be unconditionally satisfied after the victory over Japan.
      ...

      1945, February 11

      J. Stalin

      Franklin Roosevelt

      Winston Churchill

      Source: Foreign Policy of the Soviet Union during the Patriotic War, T.Z.M, 1947, pp. 111-112

      hi
      1. 0
        23 January 2020 17: 12
        How will the meeting in Yalta be mandatory for Japan in accordance with international law?

        Moreover, at that time the USSR was indebted to Japan by the nonaggression pact of April 13, 1941.

        The Yalta agreements were a violation of the non-aggression pact by the USSR, in particular paragraphs 1 and 2 of the pact.

        "
        Article one: Both Contracting Parties undertake to maintain peaceful and friendly relations between them and mutually respect the territorial integrity and inviolability of the other Contracting Party.
        Article two: Should one of the Contracting Parties become the object of hostilities on the part of one or several third powers, the other Contracting Party will observe neutrality throughout the duration of the conflict."


        Moreover, the
        The Yalta Conference is not legally binding for Japan. No - except for the law of power.

        Only in the world the law applies only to gray citizens, while the states have their own interests. And when they are not comfortable with the law, they ignore them

        In the same way, here - Russia has the Kuril Islands, because they won them in violation of their international obligations under an agreement signed before April 13, 1946. As a result of undoubted aggression from the point of view of international law.

        Is aggression justified not to say the right one? Yes, of course yes - Japan in alliance with Hitler was on the wrong side - by the way, she started the war in December 1941 - so she only reaped the harvest of her wrong policy.

        However, legally, until a peace treaty is concluded between Russia and Japan, the Russian Kuril Islands are actual, not legal
        1. +1
          23 January 2020 17: 20
          Wrong. The war against Japan is not formally an aggression; there is a UN decision in this regard.
          But it was another matter — that the USSR knew what he wanted, and this is not true.
          In fact, I took what was agreed with the Allies in Yalta
          1. 0
            23 January 2020 17: 55
            But what is the name of an armed invasion of another country, a struggle with its armed forces, if not aggression. Do you say UN? Then he was not, and the USSR (as Russia is now) is a member of the Permanent Council and has the right to veto if it weren’t. In addition, on August 9, 1945, the CCCP openly declared war on Japan - meaning aggression.

            In fact, I took what was agreed with the Allies in Yalta

            only that these agreements with the Allies have no legal force, and Japan is not legally bound by them. From the word at all. No, no, in fact there are the Kuril Islands in Russia, and that will not change anything.
  38. +4
    22 January 2020 17: 28
    We will give the ears of the dead donkey to the Japanese on their Japanese aspic, and not the Kuril Islands.
    The question arises, why talk all the time about some "benefits" of our land?
  39. +3
    22 January 2020 17: 45
    Good article, patriotic and correct. I also love the country and with all my heart I wish you development and prosperity. But as a pragmatist, I’ll say that all good wishes will be broken about a reality called capitalism, where business profits are our everything. At any cost, to the detriment of any human values, human lives, nature, development of production. The main thing is to squeeze everything out of today's situation, but there even though the grass does not grow. Moreover, big business has no interests in the country, the whole point of their life outside the country: there are children and grandchildren, there are houses and yachts, there are bank accounts, there is rest and fun. And there is nothing to do with the state, except for pumping money out of the country.
  40. +2
    22 January 2020 18: 00
    [quote = Svarog] That's what it is about .. not a business should control the state but a state business [/ quote
    Do you go in a sting with this state control of your business! Regulated everything completely.
    In Perm, we held a competition for the design of a water park .... Not a single company has been announced
    Competition for the completion of the zoo - no volunteers.
    Etc. Few people in their right mind already want to get in touch with municipal officials!
    Talked yesterday with the head of a construction organization. He won the time months ago in a row to build a kindergarten. He compared the project with reality and refused the contract.
    So, yes, more state control over entrepreneurs! Let FSB officers learn to bake bread, officials from the Ministry of Industry learn to work on CNC machines, etc. Because the mood of small business in the country is: "... than working in such conditions, it is better not to work at all ...".
    It is not enough to have, for example, a turner. We also need an IP or director of an LLC, who will buy him a machine for work, provide orders and build a production workshop for work.
    For IP to want to get all this, he must have confidence that he will not be taken away from him on far-fetched charges. That in court, the IP will have the opportunity to prove their point of view. And now.....
    So there is more state control! Run to Gosplan!
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  41. +2
    22 January 2020 18: 13
    We will give the Kuril Islands and Siberia without war

    Well, the Kuril Islands is clear to whom you are going to give. But Siberia, someone decided to vparit?
  42. +2
    22 January 2020 18: 18
    I don’t think that resettlement is a waste. I looked at the difference in food prices. If earlier this difference between the north and the middle strip was a penny. But there was an abundance of products. We live under a different system. About ten states were exempted from taxes in the USA. The calculation was simple. Business has flocked to these regions. Of course, one should not blindly copy. But something needs to be done. The will of those who have power is needed. Now even they go to the center from the Volga to get a good job. But the fact is that all work should be well paid. In many countries, it is even considered bad form to ask about a salary. If you work, then it’s provided.
    1. +4
      22 January 2020 20: 37
      No states in the United States were exempt from taxes. In fact, the Americans have three parallel tax systems: federal, state and municipal. And each level of government collects taxes independently.
  43. -3
    22 January 2020 18: 19
    "We do not want to lose the country, which means we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Return the youth to the eastern regions!"
    The author swims in some sort of pink dreams. Siberia and the Far East have long been given to the Chinese. I’m saying this as a Siberian. Even officials come to work on a rotational basis.
  44. +3
    22 January 2020 18: 20
    Return youth to the eastern regions!
    .... with diplomas of lawyers, accountants and economists, programmers ... gave birth to children, built cities, factories, railways ... smile
  45. -3
    22 January 2020 18: 22
    The author is imprisoned for provocative slogans.
    1. +2
      23 January 2020 10: 21
      Huh ... I'm already in Siberia ... Now only in the Arctic ..
  46. +6
    22 January 2020 18: 23
    As far as I know, those who have left for the west of the country, or are planning to, but I mean pensioners, all have one argument - TIRED THESE COLD, FROST ..! I WANT TO HEAT ..! Moreover, everyone understands that there are no more amenities in the west of the country, and medical and social security are not better, and nature is definitely not better .... Everyone really wants to go where it is warmer, to Krasnodar somewhere, to the sea, to Black, maybe Baltic .... Maybe they are not saying something, maybe they are really afraid of some kind of Chinese threat in the future, maybe some kind of one, but now everyone who moves to the West is going to heat. In short, they want a good life. And what kind of power is this - it seems like it doesn’t matter ..... And young people are probably a different conversation, other reasons. They have only one answer - do they have to do ...? ...
    1. 0
      23 January 2020 00: 54
      Aphorism - "It's good where we are not."
    2. +2
      25 January 2020 22: 29
      - It is what it is! People are going to the Far West ... they are going. Perhaps without suspecting that he was changing his watch to his underpants ....
      - There is practically no production, the service market is limited - in the entire Kaliningrad region there are about two million (!) People ... From here, young people travel to earn money in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
      - And, due to the small territory, the resources are limited - the forest (mainly planted artificially) is reduced to nothing, gas is pumped out "to the mainland", although the region is not completely gasified. Now they are still going to dig a quarry - to extract potash salts ... What will remain after development - you can see in Prokopyevsk and Kisilevsk, Kemerovo region ... But Siberia is at least big ... there all the ugliness is smeared with a thin layer, and here the whole region - 8 hours on a bike ... Through and through ...
      - Landfills, environmental pollution as a result of illiterate business activities, the dominance of foreigners ...
      - Welcome to the warm West ...
  47. -2
    22 January 2020 18: 36
    So, in the years 1635-37 the Japanese learn about the existence of these islands inhabited by the Ainu tribes.

    The distance from Tanfiliev Island to Cape Nosappu, the extreme point of Nemuro, is about 7 km. In clear weather, the shores of Hokkaido are clearly visible from the island.
    So, in the years 1635-37 the weather cleared up.
  48. +1
    22 January 2020 19: 12
    Hapkam, who has been in power for 30 years, is accessible and close only to this hap method. And with these countries will not.
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  50. +1
    22 January 2020 19: 45
    Our "leaders" are working for their own pocket in England.
  51. +1
    22 January 2020 20: 42
    Quote: Sergej1972
    In no country in the world, except for dwarf or small island states, is the population settled evenly. In the gigantic territories of Canada and Australia, the average population density is less than ours, and the uneven distribution is even greater compared to the Russian Federation.

    That's right, only there the territorial issue is not a subject of public discussion, unlike us. Nobody in the government even dares to discuss it theoretically - the population will immediately react. Trump wanted to buy Greenland - what did the Danes say? And only here we have been probing public opinion on this issue for several years now. The question is, for what purpose? winked
    1. 0
      25 January 2020 16: 24
      In Australia maybe. And in Canada, the question of the fate of the country is periodically discussed in the event of the unlikely, but theoretically possible, secession of Quebec from the state.
  52. -1
    22 January 2020 21: 22
    We have always had complete order with slogans ... and it's all delirium Okay
  53. exo
    +2
    22 January 2020 22: 54
    Quite possible.
    Step 1: drive the people under the bench to keep silent - almost done.
    Step 2: do what you want. This is already a consequence of step number one.
    They will justify it in the same way as the donation of territory to China.
    I'm glad if I'm wrong.
  54. +1
    23 January 2020 00: 50
    Alexander, the topic you touched on is as relevant as in the old days. On the one hand, we cannot allow the voluntary transfer of our territories to other countries, this is obvious. On the other hand, using (developing) such complex territories on your own is very difficult and time-consuming. It’s not worth throwing ashes on your head because of this. Slowly but surely improvements are taking place in the lives of the population in lands far from Moscow. Russia is not only Moscow and St. Petersburg, near which, by the way, people also cannot find good work and leisure. There are plenty of smart and hard-working people outside these cities. It wouldn’t hurt to do all the upbringing of worthy youth, but not the Sobchakovs, etc. Of course, the task of the authorities is to boost the economy, to divert people from completely engaging in their own micro-businesses, creating jobs in areas important for development; proper planning of finance, industry and agriculture, but not complete privatization for illusory purposes. (And! don’t steal from anyone...) This is all, oh, how difficult it is. But don’t sit and cry that everything is lost. And qualified foreigners can be attracted, but under strict control and without allowing them to become overcrowded.
  55. ANB
    +5
    23 January 2020 01: 07
    In Kamchatka the salary is the same as in a regular region and less than in Moscow. In this case, the pension comes out less, since the regional coefficient is subtracted. Prices are higher than in Moscow. Naturally, many are trying to leave. Only some are held back by service, others by lack of housing on the mainland. Under capitalism, you can no longer lure people with rubles, since when wages increase, products become unprofitable. In the 90s and early 2000s, prices for local products were higher than for imported ones. Well, except for fish, that is.
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  58. +2
    23 January 2020 02: 32
    This is not an argument.
    Demographics are one thing. Nationality is completely different.
    The population of the eastern part of the country will continue to decline and will concentrate around megacities on the Trans-Siberian Railway.
    This does not give reasons for alarmism.
  59. -2
    23 January 2020 04: 20
    stop whining.. God damn it!
  60. +1
    23 January 2020 05: 03
    Everything is gone. The plaster is removed, the client leaves! Posyet, Barabash, Khasan were depopulated. But when necessary, border guards come and prohibit outrageous violations;) It will be restored. Observed. And I recommend to those who have lost their lives to restore the gene pool.
  61. -2
    23 January 2020 08: 32
    When you stop using all sorts of rubbish, no one will hand over any Kurillas to anyone, and if you try to invade, a nuclear strike will follow, because the question immediately arises: why the hell are nuclear weapons needed if they are not used? If we wanted to give something back, we would have done it under Yeltsin, but huge amounts of money are being invested in protecting the Arctic, what kind of Siberia is this, it’s simply ours by default.

    But people on the islands from this no longer! And will not! People do not want to live in harsh conditions and at the same time feel isolated from a large country. It is hard to believe, but in such conditions only ... true Russian patriots survive. Loud words?

    No, that's right. People living on the edge of the earth, surviving in harsh conditions, without really thinking, will protect this land to the last. Can? they won’t be able to say this beautifully, but they won’t leave for sure. In principle, they are already at the forefront. Every minute, hourly, constantly.

    In tsarist Russia, in the Russian Empire, in the USSR, the state in every way encouraged the relocation of citizens or citizens to the eastern regions. Someone rode for free, someone for land, someone for fossils, and someone just for romantic reasons. We drove and stayed. Like those who now live on the islands. And they became the basis of Russian statehood in new lands. Defenders of Russia, if you will.


    To write something like this you have to have problems with your head. If the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR stimulated someone in every possible way, then why for several hundred years no centers of civilization were formed there, except for military bases? Are the conditions harsh? Didn’t the author think that these conditions were even harsher for the Japanese and Chinese? The Chinese, who allegedly invaded something there, have a serious shortage of people in the Amur region. They have 90% of the country with the same deserts with taiga, which they are in no hurry to develop. Japan is generally dying out at the same rate as Bulgaria. If tomorrow someone gives them a piece of Far Eastern land, they simply will not go there. Who in the USSR went to such places? Military people on orders, and those who want to make money, now Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands are quite a suitable place for this. They built a new infrastructure, the salaries are crazy.

    As for defense, it is not the residents of towns of 15 thousand people who should defend the territory, but the army.
  62. 0
    23 January 2020 08: 46
    Nothing needs to be done, they say, the Russians were very quickly cut into the Russian-Japanese, not because they did not show heroism in defense, but because there were few of them, the mobilization potential of the territory was low. So the author is right in many respects, not only young people come from the Far East, but also at the very dawn of their strength. In the event of a mess here, there will be no one to easily defend the land, but we don’t have nuclear weapons, unless it’s some kind of border conflict, then it doesn’t seem like it’s a good idea to shoot with nuclear weapons, but if, for example, a neighboring country is also poisoned there is a bomb, what then? Same China. Also, how will our partners look at us? They will impose sanctions, they won’t buy aluminum and titanium, what then? The aluminum has already been handed over and grabbed. Titanium? Uranus? Air defense? There’s a little bit left, people are flocking to a warmer climate, our families are flocking, we’ve saved up some money and off we go.
    1. -3
      24 January 2020 09: 33
      Just recently I read a commentary by a statesman regarding negotiations with Japan. Sorry I didn't think to leave a link. He confirms your words. There is no navy, aviation, or army to defend these lands. Under no circumstances will our leadership use nuclear weapons on the densely populated islands of Japan; this is not humane. Then our leadership will be declared war criminals. Still the most dear to the heart in Switzerland. You have to be a handshake, accepted at court. So all that remains is to come to an agreement, to slowly hand over everything when the tension in society subsides and the earth becomes depopulated. The cries of commentators about missiles and strikes are simply incomprehensible... By the way, it turns out that we don’t have many missiles. In the event of a mess with the Yap, the United States will not leave our targeted strikes unpunished. Well, the “courage” of our leadership is a well-known concern...
  63. +1
    23 January 2020 08: 58
    It is written correctly, of course. You just need to write taking into account reality: it seems like they spent a quarter of a century building capitalism, but they built who knows what. Yes, billionaires have appeared, only the majority are not nationally oriented, as in Finland, Sweden, Norway, but mostly internationalists in spirit, for whom there is no fatherland (almost as in the Communist Party Manifesto), but there is a territory - a source of income for them. Have they begun to live richer, as the liberals shouted - yes! But only the rich themselves, their households, their immediate circle and the people they need, including the notorious bureaucracy, which was formed over the same quarter of a century according to their needs and their interests. Russia is unique in its historical experience. She has something that the West does not have - experience, albeit incomplete, of building a state in which ordinary people could become everything. Copying someone else's experience is always fraught, because there are unique national characteristics. I think that we will not give up either the Kuril Islands or the Northern Sea Route, but we must keep our ears open. Betrayal of the interests of one’s country is a fairly common phenomenon in the world. And this must be remembered. And the bureaucracy should be gradually changed. I can’t say that the work is not being done, but at the lower levels it is too unprofessional. And calls alone will not help here.
  64. -1
    23 January 2020 09: 09
    I don’t know if our leaders understood the essence of the problem

    I think they understand, but they don’t care at all...
  65. -1
    23 January 2020 09: 58
    1. Living in extreme places like Vorkuta or small islands is not very pleasant or convenient. People went to the same north for money, and not for comfort and nature. It is not surprising that when the mines are exhausted or there is no feasibility for further mining, cities are abandoned.

    2. The Kuril Islands themselves are useless. The economic zone around them is valuable. Therefore, it makes no sense to live on them.

    3. In principle, these territories could be sold under very good conditions. Another thing is that this will create a very dangerous precedent...
  66. +3
    23 January 2020 12: 09
    All this is due to the fact that in the Russian Federation they do not hang those who question the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and allow the very idea of ​​negotiations and transfer of some part of the Russian Federation to foreign states... Because the same Medvedev gave Norway huge offshore territories of the Russian Federation with oil and gas fields and fish stocks and he got away with it...
  67. +2
    23 January 2020 13: 28
    I don’t think it will come to this. There has never been a ruler who would squander the country’s lands.
  68. +1
    23 January 2020 14: 50
    I left there back in 1991. Despite the fact that he lived quite well, an apartment in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and service at the headquarters of the association..... ALL classmates and colleagues (Primorye, Sakhalin, Kamchatka and Magadan) left for the mainland. He was left alone, in Vladivostok, but he himself is from Tajikistan, he has nowhere to go. laughing
    They went there for money and seniority, but he didn’t care to live there.
  69. +2
    23 January 2020 18: 47
    We don’t want to lose the country, which means we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Bring young people back to the eastern regions! Give good prospects for the future, good salaries, good living conditions, subsidized housing,

    First, move the capital closer to Vladivostok or Khabarovsk, a lot will change, but for now it’s just empty chatter. hi
  70. 0
    23 January 2020 21: 02
    The author lied about the cities of Western Siberia, there are no visiting shift workers here, the cities are growing and becoming gentrified, as he himself is a witness :)
  71. +6
    23 January 2020 22: 35
    Good day everyone. I lived in the Far East for 35 years, and 3 years ago I moved with my family to the Moscow region. Reason for moving: it is impossible to feed the family while working in the city.
    I lived in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in the city there are more than 30 factories, the largest and most famous are KNAAPO (makes Su-35, Su-57, Superjet-100 aircraft) and shipbuilding (in Soviet times, made nuclear submarines). All factories in the city are registered either in Moscow or in St. Petersburg, therefore all the profits of the factories remain outside our city. I am an electronics engineer by profession; at all factories in the city I was offered a salary of 25-30 thousand rubles. and I have a wife on maternity leave and three children. Our prices for food and utilities are noticeably higher than in the Moscow region. I moved to the Moscow region and for the same work as at home I get not 25-30, but 80 rubles.
    A program for the development of the Far East has been in place for 10 years, but for some reason it has only gotten worse over the past 10 years. Huge shopping centers are being built, but there is nowhere to work (or rather, earn money).
    10 years ago I bought an apartment there, there were about 3 thousand advertisements for the sale of apartments, now there are more than 20 thousand advertisements (the population of the city is approximately 250 thousand).
    Everyone who can leave the Far East does so.
    I would gladly return there if prices and salaries there became the same as here.
  72. 0
    24 January 2020 08: 55
    Quote: starev

    Do you go in a sting with this state control of your business! Regulated everything completely.
    In Perm, we held a competition for the design of a water park .... Not a single company has been announced
    Competition for the completion of the zoo - no volunteers.
    Etc. Few people in their right mind already want to get in touch with municipal officials!
    Talked yesterday with the head of a construction organization. He won the time months ago in a row to build a kindergarten. He compared the project with reality and refused the contract.
    So, yes, more state control over entrepreneurs! Let FSB officers learn to bake bread, officials from the Ministry of Industry learn to work on CNC machines, etc. Because the mood of small business in the country is: "... than working in such conditions, it is better not to work at all ...".
    It is not enough to have, for example, a turner. We also need an IP or director of an LLC, who will buy him a machine for work, provide orders and build a production workshop for work.
    For IP to want to get all this, he must have confidence that he will not be taken away from him on far-fetched charges. That in court, the IP will have the opportunity to prove their point of view. And now.....
    So there is more state control! Run to Gosplan!


    The voice of one crying in the wilderness... Few here will understand you. And apparently they won’t think about the cost of any product in those places, especially with investments in a full-fledged infrastructure for living.
  73. +1
    24 January 2020 09: 18
    When I read such articles, I want to tell the author “start with yourself”, go to the permafrost during the polar night and settle in it. Life in polar conditions has not given up to anyone. Why don’t people live in Antarctica, only along the coasts of Greenland, and in some places in Alaska. Because no one would ever trade weed under the warm rays of the sun for any money. These places will always be places of extraction for harsh men working shifts and hopefully robots. No one is particularly in a hurry to capture them in the first place because they will get it in the teeth, and secondly, it is easier in the south to buy what the harsh northerners got. Respect to the residents of the North. Really.
  74. +1
    24 January 2020 10: 22
    I read the comments. I thought this was a patriotic audience, so I registered. I am writing for the first time, the topic concerns me, I was born in Magadan, I spent my youth in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. And then I read, it’s impossible to live there, they live to get by, there are no nightclubs, everyone is temporary. And they write mainly from the military, on courage, which others are counting on, who don’t need the Far East and Siberia either, but we’ll give them a kick in the teeth. Tell me, where do we have a wonderful climate? The most attractive lands from this point of view were long ago given by the communists to the Ukrainians and Kazakhs. But Japan and the Kuril Islands will not interfere, the climate will not interfere with military airfields and tanks. But no one will attack us; we, like Canada, another US “state,” are not listed as the main enemies of the hegemon, subject to destruction. Do you know the most wonderful climate in the USA, and there are nightclubs there. Our military pensioners need to go straight there, defenders, because everything is so hopeless here, there live losers who cannot sell their homeland.
    1. 0
      24 January 2020 14: 21
      Evgenia. are you in your right mind?
      What did they give to the Ukrainians?
      Google Kievan Rus. Muscovy and so on.
  75. +4
    24 January 2020 11: 07
    I patiently re-read all the comments under this article. I arranged the pros and cons. Now I’ll say it myself. In the article and in the comments there is a lot about the Chinese threat in the form of the creeping settlement of the Far East. Lived here half my life. And I will say this, in recent years you have very rarely seen the Chinese, even in the markets. The 90s and early 30s were full of them. In the cities-markets, villages-fields from Vladivostok to Blagoveshchensk. And in recent years they have disappeared; very rarely they are not found as before. The Chinese threat is overblown to say the least. The next XNUMX years can be ignored.
    1. +1
      24 January 2020 14: 28
      )))
      In Vladik, already in the early 2000s, hired Slavs sat in stalls. Hired by the Chinese
  76. +1
    24 January 2020 13: 37
    We will give up the Kuril Islands and even part of Sakhalin, we will give up Siberia.
    I won’t speak for the residents of the Far East, but Western Siberia, at least without blood, no one will give up to anyone for a living. And this is not jingoism, but a very real opinion and sentiment. And not only mine.
    But I want them to understand. So that some kind of BAM would appear again, where young people from all over the country were eager for romance and heroism. So that not harsh men, but young married couples come to the Arctic and just live. They gave birth to children, built cities, factories, railways...

    We don’t want to lose the country, which means we urgently need to change the direction of migration flows. Bring young people back to the eastern regions! Give good prospects for the future, good salaries, good living conditions, subsidized housing, the opportunity to relax in the same Crimea in departmental sanatoriums and rest homes.
    In order for people to go to the Arctic for permanent residence, it is necessary to create stimulating conditions. The romance of the North is cool, but you also need to live on something, and in the case of the Arctic, there should also be compensation for living in extreme conditions in the form of high-quality medicine, dispensaries, sanatoriums, etc.
    And we need material and social incentives so that people who have gained experience in Moscow would be interested in returning to their native places and implementing it there, for example
  77. 0
    24 January 2020 14: 14
    Admins delete comments.
    What to argue about))
  78. -1
    25 January 2020 10: 18
    Well, just Goebbels. Although an ordinary fighting hamster. Broadcasts his dreams to Russia.
    The Russians only dream that the good sahibs would come and impale him. And if the sahibs are very kind, they will hang you humanely.
    The Russian elite has already understood that they are only Indians, from the US point of view. Their money is American money. Deripaska, a good Indian, gave 70% of his wealth to American officials, but the remaining 30% still keep him under sanctions.
    Even Europe, which was a group of Bantustans under the USSR, is being transferred to reservation status, with external control. Only social services were left to local authorities. International relations, the economy - come under complete control of the United States. Represented by the Ministry of Finance. This is now the second highest level of power, after the Council of Elders of the Irish mafia Democratic Party.
  79. 0
    25 January 2020 19: 45
    Quote: Sergej1972
    In Australia maybe. And in Canada, the question of the fate of the country is periodically discussed in the event of the unlikely, but theoretically possible, secession of Quebec from the state.
    Don’t confuse bitter with sour - secession and transfer of your territory to another, and unfriendly (to say the least) state! sad
  80. +2
    26 January 2020 06: 10
    Everything is gone again! Headlines like this should get you banned. If not forever, then at least for a fairly decent period.
  81. 0
    31 January 2020 17: 58
    The title and the deceitful essence of the article only indicate that the article in the Kakelov style was written by a person not very distant and knowledgeable. You'll be waiting for the roll!