Instead of Su-35 fighters: Rafale protects from the Chinese threat, Indonesia believes

Indonesia's new Minister of Defense Prabovo Subianto told the French authorities that his country wants to arm itself to adequately counter the Chinese threat. According to La Tribune sources, Jakarta is interested in acquiring 48 Rafale fighters from Dassault Aviation, up to 4 Scorpene submarines armed with Exocet SM39 missiles and 2 Gowind corvettes with a displacement of 2,5 thousand tons from the Naval Group.

The head of the military department, who is considered a "francophile", a supporter of close military-technical cooperation with Paris, visited France on Monday. According to him, Indonesia has already deployed military aircraft and warships around the Natun Islands near the South China Sea, but more funds are needed to protect it from encroachments of the PRC on disputed territories.

It is assumed that the transaction will take place within the framework of an intergovernmental agreement, which will accelerate its implementation. This opportunity is provided for in a strategic partnership between countries, formalized in 2011.

In 2015, the Indonesian Air Force purchased 11 Su-35 aircraft to upgrade the squadron of the old F-5E Tiger II, ignoring Rafale and Eurofighter offerings. However, in the face of pressure from the United States, Jakarta refused this deal, choosing at the end of 2019 to opt for two F-16 Block 72 squadrons for $ 5 billion (according to experts).

In all likelihood, with the change of defense minister to a francophile, Indonesia now decided to leave Washington with a bow, betting on Rafal instead of the Su-35. At the same time, the contract with South Korea for the supply of three additional submarines of the Chang Bogo class is canceled, since “the navy encountered serious problems” during the operation of this type of submarine.

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[Pessimist22]

This is not the last option.

[Aerodrome]

Is that what we are without palm oil or what?

[cost]

Quote: Aerodrome

Is this what we will be without palm oil?

It seems that without palm oil we are not alone, but the United States and South Korea

[bessmertniy]

Products from Indonesia are cheaper than Chinese. But on the shelves we don’t have them at all. And this is strange. It is necessary to somehow expand mutually beneficial trade with this country.

[mvg]

But we don’t have them on the shelves at all

Car tires, computer chips, consumer electronics .. definitely not?

[Runoway]

I think such a trade only with the Russian Federation, no one else agrees

[opus]

Quote: Aerodrome

Is that what we are without palm oil or what?

The French will eat.
After their strikes, they decided not to increase the retirement age, which means they need to feed the retired people with a palm so that they can quickly remove their burden of their maintenance from the shoulders of the state ...

Quote: Author

The head of the military department, who is considered a "francophile", a supporter of close military-technical cooperation with Paris, visited France on Monday.

where did the author get the idea that Prabowo Subianto is a francophile .... it is not comprehensible to the mind. "for a catchphrase"?
or because his son Didiet Prabowo lives in Paris ...
Pancake.
Sands then we francophile
And Lavrov is Americanophile.
=================================
Threat. The author (and the editors) - this (article) is again somehow fake:
“Special efforts are needed in the name of sovereignty. Our independence and sovereignty must be protected, and this requires investment. We cannot suddenly create a reliable defense system, ”said Minister of Defense Prabowo Subianto at a closed meeting on Monday at the Senayan parliamentary complex.

However, Prabovo remained silent regarding this plan (sic: Rafal purchases) and laughed (grinned) after being asked about Indonesia's interest in acquiring 48 French multipurpose fighter Dassault Rafale.
The former commander of the elite special forces army (Kopassus) claims that he will maintain close coordination with the Minister of Finance Sri Muliani regarding plans to create a full-fledged weapons system in Indonesia.
“Perhaps this is what the French are hoping for,” - said Prabovo Subianto.

However, Prabowo remained tight-lipped regarding this plan and chuckled after he was asked about Indonesia's interest in purchasing 48 of the French Dassault Rafale multirole fighter jets.
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The former Army's Elite Special Forces (Kopassus) commander asserts that he will maintain close-coordination with Finance Minister Sri Mulyani regarding the plans to realize Indonesia's primary weapons system.
"That is possibly what the French are hoping for, ”Said Prabowo Subianto.

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[TermNachTer]

As one clever man said: "History does not teach people anything." Interestingly, this Indian with a hard-to-pronounce name, heard how the French "threw" Argentos in 1982, how they handed over the "sources" of Iraqi air defense systems in 1993. Or do they need "rafali" and "scorpions" purely "for beauty"?

[Thrifty]

Now, Russia has lost billions of dollars in net profit from its worldless foreign policy! For we do not have a truly effective response to US sanctions, and often our Ministry of Foreign Affairs was proudly silent in a rag when sanctions were imposed on our companies and individuals. ...

[rocket757]

The Anglo-Saxons built this world for themselves LONG and RESPONSIBLY. They, "deservedly", enjoy the fruits of those labors.
Even to break into "their" world, with your own, is difficult ...
It will take a long and hard work to achieve their goals .... and that’s not a fact that it will happen for sure!

[stalki]

The Anglo-Saxons built this world for themselves LONG and RESPONSIBLY. They, "deservedly", enjoy the fruits of those labors.
Even to break into "their" world, with your own, is difficult ...
It will take a long and hard work to achieve their goals .... and that’s not a fact that it will happen for sure!

You somehow think one-sidedly, the Anglo-Squasas and others with them, can’t build the world in any way, and you have already attributed everything to them. Here are those times. Where have you read this, in the press or something? They both broke their teeth and will break them. If someone believes in something, this does not mean that this truth.

[Eug]

I would like not only them, but their teeth to be broken ... whoever can or how lucky.

[stalki]

I would like not only them, but their teeth to be broken ... whoever can or how lucky.

Well, you can twist the ball arbitrarily, it’s round on all sides so read whatever you want, but you understand perfectly what I said.

[rocket757]

The world is not homogeneous and does not obey only cousins! But, how long has this become clearly visible?
Moreover, they staked out the most delicious parts of the world and didn’t want to let anyone in there.
It was so, it is not necessary that this will continue, but it will not happen.

[stalki]

Moreover, they staked out the most delicious parts of the world and didn’t want to let anyone in there.

I wonder if they are so tasty there Why are they dropping saliva on Russia? Well, let them lick their lips.

[rocket757]

Quote: stalki

I wonder if they are so tasty there, why are they dropping saliva on Russia? Well, let them lick their lips.

Elementary envy and greed. Nothing new in general.

[Ka-52]

For we do not have a truly effective response to US sanctions

I wonder what the Thrifty himself would offer as a counter-sanction? What really would affect the US administration. Or just blah blah blah?

and often our Ministry of Foreign Affairs was proudly silent in a rag when sanctions were imposed on our companies and individuals of the United States ...

As the head of the Foreign Ministry, Berezlivy would not keep silent and would complain to his wife about the "unfair" USA. Or maybe he even organized a picket near the embassy with an angry poster

[Thrifty]

Ka52! !! I would first of all deal with the country's economy! A strong economy is a strong country! The interests of Russia would be defended harshly, where necessary — harshly! Some kind of companionship, no "partners"! Or -or! !! This is the only way to make the whole world consider you strong when you boldly show your achievements in the economy, in science, in the life of the population, in the defense capability of the army.

[Ka-52]

Ka52! !! I would first deal with the country's economy!

quite reasonable. But then what does "foreign policy" and "toothless Foreign Ministry" have to do with it? By the way, a strong economy is not always the basis for its own, independent foreign policy. The example of Europe is indicative in this regard.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

They forgot the cherished: ours do not do anything because money and children are abroad.
Well, what are you so?

[Alex 2020]

You still forgot to mention that half of the government is not Russian citizens.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Take it higher! Half of the Russians are below the poverty line, and the second half has dual citizenship!

[bars1]

Money and children in Indonesia ?! Therefore, we can’t influence Indonesia?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

That was the irony. Do not take literally.

[Professor]

Quote: Thrifty

Now, Russia has lost billions of dollars in net profit from its worldless foreign policy! For we do not have a truly effective response to US sanctions, and often our Ministry of Foreign Affairs was proudly silent in a rag when sanctions were imposed on our companies and individuals. ...

It would be better if this Foreign Ministry was silent more often. There would be less harm.

Well, the bourgeoisie can be congratulated.

[Grandfather]

There would be less harm.

Isn't that the one your nightingale loves?

[Professor]

Quote: Dead Day

There would be less harm.

Isn't that the one your nightingale loves?

Your he.

[Pytnik]

What is our one ... in each program he says that he is a Jew (and he does not have one citizenship)

[Professor]

He is a citizen of Russia, not Israel. Your he and you deal with him.

[opus]

Quote: professor

He is a citizen of Russia, not Israel. Your he and you deal with him.

East Israel is a delicate matter
after Rudolphich's mother, "Shapiro" may be yours, or "may become yours" right in flight.

ok, so as not to argue, let it be Italian

Neither ours nor yours

so skaaat

[Professor]

Quote: opus

East Israel is a delicate matter
after Rudolphich's mother, "Shapiro" may be yours, or "may become yours" right in flight.

No, it cannot during the flight and cannot before the flight. Only upon arrival and after inspection by the competent authorities.

Quote: opus

ok, so as not to argue, let it be Italian

The presence of an Italian residence permit does not cancel his Russian citizenship and does not give him Israeli citizenship.

Quote: opus

so skaaat

De jure and de facto.

[opus]

Quote: professor

De jure and de facto.

Yes, it's all clear about the residence permit and permanent residence and about Israel.
Not the fact that he does not have it.
for a year or two I heard from festivals he Saffron broadcast- "I have no residence permit in" italy 150 times I say this to mentally retarded. "
A year has passed and already "there are 10 years since"
"they are karateka"

[Professor]

Quote: opus

Quote: professor

De jure and de facto.

Yes, it's all clear about the residence permit and permanent residence and about Israel.
Not the fact that he does not have it.
for a year or two I heard from festivals he Saffron broadcast- "I have no residence permit in" italy 150 times I say this to mentally retarded. "
A year has passed and already "there are 10 years since"
"they are karateka"

That's when he will have Israeli citizenship then he will be ours, but for now he is yours. And the longer it will be the better. For us. We have such a thing .... and it’s not necessary for nothing.

[opus]

Quote: professor

For us. We have such a thing .... and it’s not necessary for nothing.

straight from the ulcer took off ...
who would fuse it? Maybe in Azerbaijan then?

[Professor]

Quote: opus

Quote: professor

For us. We have such a thing .... and it’s not necessary for nothing.

straight from the ulcer took off ...
who would fuse it? Maybe in Azerbaijan then?

And what is Azerbaijan guilty of? You brought him up, put him in a box, and now you endure.

[opus]

Quote: professor

And what is Azerbaijan guilty of?

Something he had there with the Azerbaijani Jews, some kind of scandal and "massacre" (verbal, of course), and the regime there is similar. Or Kazakhstan, where Nazarbayev can be praised for a long time.

Quote: professor

You brought him up, put him in a box, and now you endure.

to blame, I will correct

[tomket]

Quote: professor

Your he.

Considering how many Jews he constantly wrestles on the radio, then he is yours, your dear))))

[Professor]

Quote: tomket

Quote: professor

Your he.

Considering how many Jews he constantly wrestles on the radio, then he is yours, your dear))))

He is a citizen of Russia, not Israel. Russia is inhabited not only by Russians. So he is yours.

[knn54]

Palm oil biodiesel is the worst of all biofuels, generating three times more greenhouse gases than, for example, diesel oil and an order of magnitude more than natural gas.
Europe plans to ban palm oil in all industries next year. Subscribe to rapeseed farmers.
And the "bodyworkers" will be very upset
The Russian Federation really needs partners in the foreign arms market, but not at the expense of the health of citizens.

[Graz]

the French rolled back more, and then we must reduce the purchase of palm oil in response from this country

[svp67]

Quote: Graz

and then we must reduce the purchase of palm oil in response from this country

Yes, it’s easy, they’ve already passed a couple of laws about it ...

[svp67]

Well, France has now been provided with palm oil for many decades to come ...

[kjhg]

Quote: svp67

Well, France has now been provided with palm oil for many decades to come ...

The article does not write about this. And France will not take palm oil. There was information that the EU since January 1 has banned the import of palm oil or some kind of this oil.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: svp67

Well, France has now been provided with palm oil for many decades to come ...

only they use it for technical purposes.

[bukhach]

[/ quote] "The navy encountered serious problems" during the operation of this type of submarine. [quote]

I wonder what kind of problems are these?

[bessmertniy]

The information contains an emphasis on the "Chinese threat" to Indonesia. It is probably more real than the Chinese threat to Russia. After all, the main migration flow from China today is directed to southern countries, and in some of them the Chinese diaspora makes up a significant share, influencing the policies of individual states.

[lopuhan2006]

Quote: stalki

The Anglo-Saxons built this world for themselves LONG and RESPONSIBLY. They, "deservedly", enjoy the fruits of those labors.
Even to break into "their" world, with your own, is difficult ...
It will take a long and hard work to achieve their goals .... and that’s not a fact that it will happen for sure!

You somehow think one-sidedly, the Anglo-Squasas and others with them, can’t build the world in any way, and you have already attributed everything to them. Here are those times. Where have you read this, in the press or something? They both broke their teeth and will break them. If someone believes in something, this does not mean that this truth.

It is written about the financial system. If you think superficially, then do not put comments, just to put. Yes, and stupid.

[Stalllker]

Yeah, restrained of course ... Dill have seen enough

[2Albert]

God save France! She drowned in palm oil!

[Klingon]

oh yes, offer the French your sago with palm oil at the expense of rafals, here it will be a laugh

[tolmachiev51]

- "Indonesia has now decided to leave Washington" with nose ", betting on the Rafale instead of the Su-35" - we are waiting for sanctions against France !!!.

[Dzungar]

with the change of defense secretary to francophile, Indonesia has now decided to leave Washington with a bow, betting on Rafal instead of the Su-35.

SU-35 is made in the USA ..? If they are left "with a nose" after refusing to buy the SU-35 ........

[Dzungar]

Palm oil appears in the USSR on a large scale since 1963, is purchased in
Indonesia. There are references before that, but the volumes are not clear there. Since 1975
years he is taken on a regular basis, an agreement is concluded with Cameroon about
"economic, technical and cultural cooperation", issued
a pack of loans, Cameroon in response begins to supply oil. In the next
1976, Malaysia does the same.

Butter goes to margarine
for confectionery - those same "Potato" cakes - and many other tasks.
For example, in baby food, because palm oil is natural
source of palmitic acid.

All this is official - here, for example, the Soviet GOST on margarine - http://docs.cntd.ru/document/1200022911. This is the year 1985.

Here is GOST 1975 on vegetable fats in food in general: https://standartgost.ru/g/GOST_21314-75

Here is the GOST of 1989 on fats in bakery products and confectionery: http://docs.cntd.ru/document/gost-28414-89.

On all these links you will find that palm oil is officially in Soviet GOSTs. So it’s not necessary .... LA eat palm oil since the days of the USSR - and we will eat ......

[janeck]

I'm glad that it’s not Su-35 .. just because I'm already full of palm oil !!)