Ukrainian aircraft construction can not do without Russian components

The threat of a complete halt to the production of aircraft and the disruption of contracts was looming over Ukraine. This was caused by the refusal of the Antonov aircraft plant to cooperate with Russian enterprises, the Kiev newspaper Den reports.

According to the publication, all aircraft designed by Antonov were largely dependent on Russian components, and the An-148 was completely assembled in Voronezh. After the 2014 coup, politicians who came to power severed all ties with Russia, thereby cutting off supplies of components, and attempts to negotiate with Western suppliers came to nothing.

For all time, Ukraine managed to assemble only two aircraft without Russian components: An-178 and a demonstration copy of the An-132D. The An-178 won the tender in Peru and the Antonov leadership insists that they are ready to wait until another aircraft is assembled in Ukraine without Russian components, but the aircraft will be delivered in 2021 and there are no replacement parts. The An-132D project was never implemented due to a change in power in Saudi Arabia. The demo can’t even be sold.

On “Antonov” they claim that they did everything they could to abandon the Russian parts, but this requires more than two hundred million dollars, which the state never allocated.

At the same time, Vladimir Semenov, director of corporate rights and investment projects at Motor Sich, called for the lifting of sanctions against a number of Russian enterprises to complete the construction of aircraft in Ukraine.

We have already compiled a list, sent it to the Verkhovna Rada, the government and the National Security and Defense Council - exclude 23 enterprises from the list of sanctions, give Antonov an opportunity to work. Only 23 enterprises. This will give an impetus. Do not want to - stop

- he said.

Comments

[Kleber]

to abandon the Russian parts, but for this we need more than two hundred million dollars, which the state never allocated.

And do not highlight. Why anger the west with competition.

[bessmertniy]

The West does not need aircraft construction in Ukraine. And in general, he does not need it as a country with a developed industry. He needs her in the role of a banana republic.

[maxim947]

We have already compiled a list, sent it to the Verkhovna Rada, the government, and the National Security and Defense Council - exclude 23 enterprises from the list of sanctions,

What's the point? Whatever lists you make, there will be no deliveries from Russia. Until Ukraine fulfills its obligations for products advanced by our enterprises in rather large amounts. Or let the advances return, but this is from the realm of fiction.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: maxim947

Or let the advances return, but this is from the realm of fiction.

I agree. The enterprises have no money. And the state, FIG. It is possible, of course, by barter, but this is subject to availability in warehouses, which I doubt.

[krot]

Sumerians at the factory look like hammers and pliers bending frames for aircraft And then they carefully process it with a file .. Therefore, for so long! For the manual work!

[orionvitt]

Quote: LiSiCyn

The enterprises have no money. And the state, FIG will give

You sound it all. For 200 million green money, it is simply impossible to organize the production of complex assemblies and components, especially since their need for the "Ukrainian aircraft industry" is calculated literally in pieces. And the number of such imported components in the same ANs, at 50% The fact that they built "on their own", most likely due to the leftovers from the warehouse.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: orionvitt

For 200 million green money, it is simply impossible to organize the production of complex assemblies and components, especially since their need for the "Ukrainian aircraft industry" is calculated literally in pieces.

I meant advances received from Russia. For engines, etc.

Quote: orionvitt

What they built "on their own", most likely due to the leftovers from the warehouse.

Let them return what they should (with goods). And then, you can talk about barter.

[Fantazer911]

In addition to financial injections, power plants previously paid must be returned!

[210ox]

Why do you think there will be no supplies? Well, we supply them with petroleum products, although we know where it will go. We live in a gaddy world of capital where profit is the main thing. And all the rest is words.

[major147]

Quote: bessmertniy

He needs her in the role of a banana republic.

Without your potato .....

[cost]

Quote: bessmertniy
He needs her in the role of a banana republic.

modern Ukraine is not predictable and does not remember good. The West is at great risk

[Starover_Z]

After the 2014 coup, politicians who came to power severed all ties with Russia, thereby cutting off supplies of components, and attempts to negotiate with Western suppliers failed.

There is Airbus in Europe, why should they raise and raise a competitor? Although what is Antonov's competitor without the old cooperation with factories in Russia and the CIS?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Starover_Z

Although what is Antonov's competitor without the old cooperation with factories in Russia and the CIS?

Did the jumpers finally realize that Antonov, Motor Sich, and DneproGES, and EVERYTHING that is there is not the merit of country 404, but that which the whole country was building. That the price of Ukraine as an independent production unit without ties to Russia is minus three kopecks.

Cut off the man’s left foot and right arm. Can he live? Can. But shitty ...

[Incvizitor]

Cut off the man’s left foot and right arm.

there most likely the head with the brains was cut off.

[IL-18]

Quote: Kleber

anger west

An-132 for Saudi Arabia, for example? There, assembly is already envisaged in the country of the customer, using a huge range of products from Western production. Those. new production, in any case, will depend on them. That's just, the Ukrainian aviation industry does not exactly bother them, because there is virtually no production there, and the Saudis may reconsider their plans in favor of operating quite successful companies, albeit more expensive, but money is not wasted.

[AU Ivanov.]

An-132? Maybe you should stop kicking the corpse of An-26 grandfather with half a century of freshness?

[IL-18]

An-32 will be larger and younger than An-26. Although, where does the An-26?

[AU Ivanov.]

How? An-32 - modification of the An-26 with engines from the An-12.

[Thrifty]

Let them buy from the Chinese! They sold them so much technology, so let them replace it with Chinese components!

[aszzz888]

On "Antonov" they assure that they did everything they could to give up the Russian parts, but this requires more than two hundred million dollars, which the state never allocated.

Well, so the flag (ensign) in your hands, go to the bottom bravely and decisively)).

[Den717]

At the same time, Vladimir Semenov, director of corporate rights and investment projects at Motor Sich, called for the lifting of sanctions against a number of Russian enterprises to complete the construction of aircraft in Ukraine.

Are you sure that working with Antonov on your terms is in the interests of Russia? Will the enterprises withdrawn from the sanctions want to work with you? The question is not idle ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Den717

Will the enterprises withdrawn from the sanctions want to work with you?

Moreover, the orders are piece. More headache.

[Ros 56]

Maybe maybe hell not even talk to these rams.

[svp67]

Ukrainian aircraft construction can not do without Russian components

As we do without Ukrainian ... As it turned out, 90% of the helicopter repair market and a part of the aircraft engine repair market are still occupied by Motor Sich ... That's how it is.

[Eug]

There (on helicopters) both special alloys and rubber (not to mention high-tech components) are mainly of Russian production .. There are also a lot of Ross on HP-3. configuration and materials. I don’t remember exactly in Kharkov already - either 4, or 7 fuselages (I don’t remember exactly) of the An-74 family and three An-140s of different degrees of readiness stood back in 2012, Russia is needed for their final assembly. components, re-certifying such an amount does not make sense.

[svp67]

Quote: Eug

There are special alloys, and rubber (not to mention high-tech components), mostly of Russian production .. There are also a lot of Ross on HP-3. configuration and materials.

So it is so, but recently we conducted an investigation who is engaged in repairs and these are the numbers. Through "foreign gaskets" Motor Sich works in Russia

In general, as the owner and head of Motor Sich Vyacheslav Boguslaev says, “Russian orders are 40% of our volumes. Out of 1000 engines, 400 engines are delivered to Russia annually: 200 directly, and 200 through Klimov’s company. ”
Engines CJSC Vladimir Klimov-Motor Sich (a Ukrainian company owns 20% of it) is used to circumvent Ukrainian sanctions and is engaged in the supply of Ukrainian engines to Russia to fulfill already concluded contracts, despite the current restrictions.
In addition, the “daughter” of Russian-Ukrainian parents is actively involved in the modernization and repair of Ukrainian engines used in Russia. In particular, last spring, CJSC Dvigateli Vladimir Klimov-Motor Sich received a contract for the repair of aircraft engines from the Aviation Administration of the FSB of Russia worth 11 rubles. CJSC performs similar orders at almost all Russian aircraft repair plants.
Not only “subsidiary” efforts of CJSC, but also other schemes allow not to notice the smuggling activity of Motor Sich in Ukraine. For example, Motor Sich has created several technical centers in Russia, such as Borisfen-Avia LLC or Aviaremont-MS LLC, which repair up to half of the total volume of engines of Ukrainian origin operating in Russia.
But the main supply of new engines in the amount of about 400-600 units per year Vyacheslav Boguslaev carries out through Belarus, where Motor Sich has one more daughter on the basis of the Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant. As the site “Russian Wikileaks” notes, it is through Belarus that Motor Sich partners with the MVZ im. M.L. Mile, which is part of the Russian Helicopters holding, and with manufacturers - Kazan Helicopter Plant, Rostvertol, located in Rostov-on-Don. It is noted that the use of a Belarusian enterprise not only allows you to circumvent sanctions, but also to avoid customs duties: through Belarus, Motor Sich sells engines to Russia bypassing the existing 20% ​​import duty.
According to Russkiy Wikilix, friendship with the adviser to the President of the Russian Federation on regional and economic integration, a native of Zaporozhye Sergei Glazyev, saves Motor Sich from completely displacing Motor Sich from the Russian market as part of import substitution Vyacheslav Boguslaev. In addition, Boguslaev turned out to be a patron of the Valaam Monastery. His company paid for the manufacture and installation of a sculpture of the Mother of God and a monument to Andrew the First-Called. Thanks to this, Boguslaev came to the memorial service conducted by the Patriarch of All Russia Kirill, in memory of the miracle workers Sergius and German, which was attended by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The publication believes that this fact testifies to the favor of the Russian leadership in relation to Boguslaev, and explains why it is not too actively crowding out the Zaporizhzhya manufacturer from the Russian market, turning a blind eye to its "gray schemes" of deliveries to Russia.

In early September 2019, the Security Service of Ukraine launched an investigation into one of the largest engine manufacturers - Motor Sich. Occasion. unfortunately, it is quite common to have ties with Russia, which, according to the SBU, is almost a betrayal.
Of course, all the details are highly classified, but it was possible to collect information from open sources on how exactly Motor Sich helped Russia.
The president of the company is an experienced engineer Vyacheslav Boguslaev, who was awarded the title of Hero in 2000. He is also one of the richest people in Ukraine and a former deputy of the Rada. Boguslav never concealed his pro-Russian position. For a long time, the main contractors of Motor Sich were precisely Russian companies.
The machine-building plant in Snezhnoye, which is a branch of Motor Sich, has been supplying its products to Russia for more than two years, according to Ukrainian investigators. The plant itself is located on the territory of the DPR and, accordingly, paid taxes to the people's republic. In 2015, this amount amounted to more than 30 million rubles.
Another "crime" is the supply of the AI-9 auxiliary engine (it is designed to start the sustainer engines of Kamov and Mil helicopters. This operation also did not go through official accounting, through a shell company. AI-9 engines cost Russia $ 3,5 million, and it is worth believing that it was worth it.

Motor Sich continued its cooperation with the Universal-Avia airline, which is based in Simferopol.

One of the most popular helicopter engines - TV3-117 - needs components that were produced in Ukraine. Actually, to replace it, the VK-2500 engine was created, as well as engines based on it. Now VK-2500 is actively used on new helicopters, it is certified in India, China (main buyers). So Russia has fulfilled this part of import substitution.
However, the TVZ-117 engines are still supplied, but bypassing through Bosnia. In 2018, more than 600 engines were delivered, and something tells me that there is no such large production in the Balkans.

The machine plant in Snezhnoye produces blades for turbine engines, which is a rather complicated technical product. Not every country knows how to produce them, because the blades must be strong enough to withstand the load.

Cooperation with Russia from Ukraine ceased in 2014 (officially), but the plant continued to work, fulfilling the contract.

Boguslaev has stated for a long time that Mashzavod is still subordinate to Motor Sich, but the management is carried out by another company in order to circumvent the Ukrainian prohibitive laws. According to some sources, this "other company" is registered in Russia and controlled by Russians.

Are these all the schemes that Motor Sich uses? Most likely no. Yes, we can say that the company is violating the ban and supplies engines that can be installed on military helicopters. All sanctions are sensitive to dual-use products. But the ban itself is based on the idea that Russia is the aggressor and is to blame for everything.
Without deliveries to Russia, one of the largest enterprises in Ukraine will simply cease to exist.

[Eug]

I don’t argue, I’m just talking about the possibilities of influence through the supply of materials and components and that in order to completely replace Russia, it is necessary to build not all production, but several stages from 0. Also not cheap and not fast, but still it will be easier.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Eug

Also not cheap and not fast, but still it will be easier.

In the meantime, it is cheaper for Motor Sich, even through foreign "gaskets". Moreover, production there has been debugged for decades. But the truth is, experts run up, competencies are lost, but still breathing somehow. It would be all right, the bald fig Boguslaev would sell his plant to the Chinese. "Motor Sich", this is like the chicken that used to lay the golden eggs, but svidomye ukrorevolyutsioners, she was killed.

[abc_alex]

Quote: orionvitt

It would be all right, the bald guy Boguslaev would sell his factory to the Chinese.

Debatable. Boguslaev, EMNIP, even after the first Maidan, said clearly: if they forbid him to work with Russia, he would sell the plant to the Chinese. A man said - a man did.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: svp67

As we do without Ukrainian ... As it turned out, 90% of the helicopter repair market and a part of the aircraft engine repair market are still occupied by Motor Sich ... That's how it is.

On the other hand, the phrase "Ukrainian aircraft construction" (more precisely, now "Ukrainian literature") has turned into an oxymoron since the revolution of Hidnost.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Оксюморон
And we will overcome the current dependence, albeit later, with blood and time. And they?

[HAM]

But do Russian enterprises need them now?
Such "partners" can be thrown again at any time .... because of them it is not worth it, in my opinion, to restore the already lost production ... you only need to establish your own.
Well, there is no longer faith in such "partners"!

[svp67]

Quote: HAM

But do Russian enterprises need them now?

We need, unfortunately or fortunately, but so far we need

[rocket757]

And who got better?
Russia can overcome any troubles, not the first time, but neighbors ??? Their choice, there’s nothing more to talk about yet.

[Paul Siebert]

No sanctions against our enterprises on Nezalezhnaya will not be canceled.
The political situation there is much more important than common sense.
Ukraine is steadily moving towards the ideal of Zapadensky roguly - becoming an "agrarian superpower."
True, while importing both lard and potatoes and beets. Set for the Ukrainian dish itself - borsch ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Paul Siebert

The political situation there is much more important than common sense.

So she is on the verge of drying out. Since about 2017, European politicians have from time to time been throwing ideas through the media that sanctions should be lifted from Russia. The point is not at all that old Europe has allegedly "regained her sight," but that the economic profit from Ukrainian concessions no longer exceeds losses from Russian counter-sanctions. Therefore, first Italy, then Austria, and then Germany and France wished the soonest lifting of mutual restrictions.

[Kerensky]

It’s just that smart people have broken up their connections for decades. Yes, than tore! Independence and independence are not even patriotic feelings, these are just words. And still there is neither one nor the other. And now also the planes. Soon there will be no school and facilities.
And, admittedly, this "porridge" cost the "cooks" a mere penny ...

[Monar]

The threat of a complete halt looms over Ukraine

And is there anything left besides repair?

[prior]

"Antonov" will only be helped by the prayer of the OCU or the OCU, but always with the presence of the Patriarch of Constantinople. Prayer for peace ...

[75 Sergey]

No, no, not ... dead, so dead!
К

[Alexander X]

Needless to say, the Americans and Geyvropez managed to cut off a huge piece from the Slavic world for a penny and poison it with fascist ideas. They set the Slavs against the Slavs ... They made each other exhaust each other to their own delight. They destroyed the cooperation created under the USSR. But the industry of Ukraine is not needed by anyone from the "Western world".

[major147]

Vladimir Semyonov, director for corporate rights and investment projects at Motor Sich, called for the lifting of sanctions against a number of Russian enterprises to complete the construction of aircraft in Ukraine.

And after the completion of the construction of aircraft, you can enter them again!

[askort154]

On "Antonov" they assure that they did everything they could to give up the Russian parts, but it takes over two hundred million dollars, which the state never allocated.

Only 200 lemons to get such an enterprise out of the swamp?
This is the cost of producing 2-3 aircraft, but not the restoration of mass production, even the finished product. Goals are visible here with the naked eye.
"asking" - to squeeze 200 lemons from the state into the pocket of a certain circle from the so-called "aviation industry of Ukraine". Is that the flowers to the coffin of the "aviation industry" of Ukraine.
What they didn’t save, but when they lost, weep.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Quote: maxim947

Or let the advances return, but this is from the realm of fiction.

I agree. The enterprises have no money. And the state, FIG. It is possible, of course, by barter, but this is subject to availability in warehouses, which I doubt.

But who will allow barter? Actually, what is barter? This is give-give trade. When grandmothers do not work at all, and there is exchange trade like the Stone Age. And, most importantly, the country's budget does not have anything from such transactions. And what to support the army, police, officials? Barter is a plague. Did you get gears from the machine for salary? Or a bucket of bitumen? Although I was getting sausage, which was not possible to sell, hundreds of our workers from the poultry farm stood at the train stations, who received such a salary and tried to foist off on the passengers of trains .... You can’t imagine how tired she was then. Without bread, and other things .... But at least they did not die of hunger.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Victor March 47

When grandmothers do not work at all, and there is exchange trade like the Stone Age.

:)
Not certainly in that way. All the same, barter trading takes place through the monetary equivalent. Setoff occurs through the monetary value of the goods. You are a wagon of nuts worth a million, you a truck of brandy worth a million.
Exchange trading, it is different.
For enterprises, this may look like an interest-free payment plan and even be processed through a "court" bank. Ours "provide credit", the Ukrainians "buy" components for it, assemble the motor, "sell" it to ours, ours put it on the plane. And the money is received only from the one who buys the plane. And then, services are paid to Ukrainians as a separate article. Taxes are paid from them.

[Bshkaus]

"25 again", already really tired of the constant sucking of Ukraine.
And Russian aircraft construction cannot do without western components.
What's next?

[Dikson]

Not only western components .. "import substitution" added the need for eastern components too ...))

[knn54]

Now there is a reason to close (officially move the production out of town). There is already a project of an "entertainment center" All the more so since the Lithuanian and the Afghan (the heads of the UKRAINIAN defense industry, gun-lovers) have long been talking about this.

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Do we want to? GDP - maybe yes. IMHO - no.

[Retvizan 8]

... And it turned out that the Ukrainian economy cannot do without cheap Russian energy, without a Russian market, without investment from Russia ...

[Dikson]

I see so many fiercely condescending comments here .. It so happened historically that production was tied to each other for many decades .. Yes, Motor Sich asks to lift the sanctions .. What's wrong with that for Russia? Proud commentators here, we don't need Ukrainian turbines for the fleet and aviation, right? Is it not our projects that have been frozen for 10 years due to the lack of power machines for the Navy? And our country would not benefit from such cooperation, right? But if they kicked Gazprom in the ass on time, maybe they would have pushed it under the condition of gas supply to Ukraine - unblocking the sanctions and resuming work with the same Antonov and Motor Sich .. In due time .. But we are proud .. And the people not fraternal at once .. And everything Ukrainian is bad .. And as for me - for the sake of defense and protection of your country, pride can be kept in your pocket .. like a folded fig .. for the time being .. And then because of the pride of the Great Russian Gazprom probably pays fines and supplies the "enemy country" with gas ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Dikson

Yes, asks Motor Sich to lift the sanctions .. What is wrong with this for Russia? Proud commentators here, we don’t need Ukrainian turbines for the fleet and aviation, right?

Dear friend, are you seriously ready to put the product of "brotherly" Ukraine on a warship or even an airplane?

Your other "la-la", by the way, is about the same level. And why am I not surprised?

[Dikson]

Jack, but nobody canceled the military acceptance ..? And what, now there are few Ukrainian engines on the sides ?! You understand - politics is one thing, but the management of the same Motor Sich hardly needs SUCH image losses as a deliberate marriage of its products .. After all, helicopters fly not only in Russia .. I understand the fears .. But why no one is afraid of stuffed incomprehensible, clearly inappropriate electronics of Chinese products, for example? Imported machine tools and other equipment, with embedded tabs ... Their manufacturers can also make and sell this ... And finally - and you could write another article here .. And call it almost the same - "American aircraft industry cannot do without Russian components ".. I wonder if the intonation in the comments would be similar? Or they would write together that "these are orders and salaries for our workers!" What changes intonation? That Boeing is in one case and Motor Sich is in another? I'm talking about the fact that cooperation, barter there or business .. is good for both parties.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Dikson

because no one canceled the military acceptance ..?

I somehow hardly imagine Russian military representatives on the same Motor Sich, in modern conditions. Apparently, my imagination is not enough.

Quote: Dikson

now few Ukrainian engines are on board?

That's interesting - how many of them were delivered to the Russian Federation after 2014?

Quote: Dikson

hardly the leadership of the same Motor Sich needs SUCH image losses

They will order them and they will have "image losses" ... but all this is from the field of unscientific fiction, IMHO, they will not order engines in a country "at war with the Russian Federation".

Everything else is past, the idea to order an engine in Ukraine, here and now, amused me

[Dikson]

Well, ok,) order not the entire engine, but those parts and components that still cannot bring performance to the same Saturn .. No? As for the "warring with RF" - yes .. However, according to some indications, Ukraine did defeat Russia .. We pay them reparations in the form of fines and discounts, and not they to us? Such a "war" turns out ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Dikson

order not the entire engine, but those parts and accessories that still cannot bring to performance on the same Saturn ..

Are you sure that the point is in the "components"?

And anyway - let people who have real information decide this, no?

Quote: Dikson

according to some indications, Ukraine still defeated Russia .. But are we paying them reparations in the form of fines and discounts, and aren't they for us?

1. Ugh.
2. Chickens in the fall count.

Good luck

[Dikson]

Definitely .. - we will not decide with you .. And good luck to you, Golovan Jack.

[Vasyan1971]

The threat of a complete halt in aircraft production and disruption of the concluded contracts looms over Ukraine. This was the result of the refusal of the Antonov aircraft plant to cooperate with Russian enterprises,

And in our case in Ivanovo 308, the Aircraft Repair Plant is bent without spare parts for AN-am ... (If you believe friends).

[Kaw]

Oh, how much we lost along with the East Ukrainian airlines. There was the An-140 ready and brought to serial production (instead of it, we started to do it from scratch, through the stump of the deck, IL-112), there is a completely domestic ready-made and certified replacement for Superjets - An-148 (you could write off the superjet) . There remained the production of Ruslanov and Mriy and copyright on them, there remained the production of a wide variety of aircraft engines and missiles.
Everything remained there, behind the front line. In the same place, by the way, there is also a land passage to the Crimea (it would not have been necessary to pump so much money into the bridge).

[Protos]

Quote: orionvitt

And the number of such imported components in the same ANs, at 50% The fact that they built "on their own", most likely due to the leftovers from the warehouse.

70% according to the statements of "KB Antonov"

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Sheer idiocy: bad for ordinary Ukrainians, bad for Russians. And who is good? The Americans, who through their "sixes" are destroying Ukraine and doing dirty tricks on Russia and the Russians ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Here I am Russian ... I was in the Donbass in the 14th, now my son is there ... How can I give Ukraine something?

[TermNachTer]

The author apparently does not know that the aircraft industry in Banderland is not threatened with stopping, but has already stopped. Since 2016, not a single new aircraft has been produced.

[lvov_aleksey]

they really petrify that in the Dnieper-Volga can Ruslans also hobble-produce and lift into the air.
Do not forget about Aviastar in Ulyanovsk

[cat Rusich]

Why should Russia sell components for letak (aircrafts) to Ukraine? - Ukraine is "at war" with Russia ... I remember a report from the plant. Antonov during the Maidan. The hard workers said that they also work on the Maidan for them (the workers) - "to relieve great poverty." In Donbass, miners also worked and did not get involved in "politics". Now let them write petitions to "Russian Lotto" ...

[Alexey from Perm]

Better stop right away, they forgot that you have a war with us, shoot yourself in both legs, the West likes it

[LeonidL]

"For all the time, Ukraine managed to assemble only two aircraft without Russian components: An-178 and a demonstration copy of An-132D. An-178 won a tender in Peru and the management of Antonov assures that they are ready to wait for another aircraft without Russian components to be assembled in Ukraine, but the delivery date for the aircraft is 2021, and there is no replacement of parts."- This is exactly what Azarov warned the Maydaun selukov about. And so in everything - a complete stupor and collapse of industry, economy, science. Next in line is education and the agricultural sector. Yes, medicine has already been completely finished ... Nooo! Petrushka is in the past. In a year, one (1) felscher point was opened, built with money and by the EU ... although there is distance medicine ... a mustache on the phone (if there is a connection) such as breathe, don't breathe, cardiogram, X-ray, NMR, EMERAY and other computer diagnostics True, the computer was not delivered, but the plasma TV was already stolen. ”Enemas and mustard plasters were left.

[NF68]

Cool. The very phrase "Ukrainian aircraft construction" is already causing laughter.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: abc_alex

Quote: Victor March 47

When grandmothers do not work at all, and there is exchange trade like the Stone Age.

:)
Not certainly in that way. All the same, barter trading takes place through the monetary equivalent. Setoff occurs through the monetary value of the goods. You are a wagon of nuts worth a million, you a truck of brandy worth a million.
Exchange trading, it is different.
For enterprises, this may look like an interest-free payment plan and even be processed through a "court" bank. Ours "provide credit", the Ukrainians "buy" components for it, assemble the motor, "sell" it to ours, ours put it on the plane. And the money is received only from the one who buys the plane. And then, services are paid to Ukrainians as a separate article. Taxes are paid from them.

Sure. DO NOT parrots be considered Goods? But without money, without paying taxes, salaries, and other things inherent in state relations.