"A bunch of strange people": the Ukrainian investigation accused the Iranians of looting at the crash site of the Boeing

Specialists from Kiev, who were investigating the crash that occurred with the Boeing 737 aircraft of Ukraine International Airlines, claim that local residents took away the wreckage of the aircraft and personal belongings of the victims at the scene of the accident. This was told by the head of the Kiev Research Institute of Forensic Expertise (KNIISE) Alexander Ruvin, who coordinated the work of Ukrainian investigators:

At the crash site, they saw a bunch of strange people - Iranians, who were swarming, collecting remains, things, debris. Who handed over for scrap, who took it as a keepsake.

Thus, the Ukrainian investigation accused the Iranians of looting at the scene of the disaster.

Among the wreckage, experts found parts of smartphones, tablets, personal documents of victims of the disaster, and other things. Ruvin said that a detailed study of the wreckage of a passenger plane and the surviving personal belongings of the victims helped to compose a general picture of the tragedy in Iran. Why, in this case, the Ukrainian side does not make a complaint to the investigation in the Netherlands, which initially did not take care of collecting all the evidence and fully laying out the Malaysian Airlines Boeing that was shot down in July 2014 ...

At the moment, the Ukrainian expert group has completed work in Iran and provided its findings.

According to the conclusions at the moment, the crash of the Boeing was caused by a missile that hit it. As a result, 176 people died, of which 9 people are crew members.

Speaking on January 11, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani admitted the air defense error and promised to punish those responsible.

Comments

[St Petrov]

I am already ashamed of the Ukrainians as the fifth year.
how this tribe still gurgles manages everywhere, it is not clear

[maxim947]

Again, toilets, sockets and shades? ...
Shameful pancake.

[Thrall]

at the scene of the accident, local residents took away the wreckage of the aircraft and personal belongings of the victims

According to the knurled pattern

This was told by the head of the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensic Science (KNIISE) Alexander Ruvin, who coordinated the work of Ukrainian investigators

This is the same Ruvin, who, as the head of the commission, cleverly veiled the expert conclusions about the circumstances of the death of the Tu-154M of the Russian airline Siberia in 2001.

[Shurik70]

It is unlikely that the Iranians did not take the place of the crash under guard on the same day as they shot down. Before Ukrainian experts arrived.
Marauders could profit by something only before the protection was not set.

[Tatyana]

Why, in this case, the Ukrainian side does not make claims to the investigation in the Netherlands, which initially did not take care of collecting all material evidence and the full layout of the Malaysian Airlines' Boeing downed in July 2014 ...

Quote: Shurik70

It is unlikely that the Iranians did not take the place of the crash under guard on the same day as they shot down. Before the Ukrainian experts arrived. Marauders could profit by something only before they put the guard.

Ukrainians with their comments do not see logs in their eyes.

Let me remind you. When the MN-17 airliner was shot down and it crashed on the territory of the DPR, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, contrary to the agreement of the Netherlands with the leaders of the DPR on the start of the inspection of the crash site of the MN-17 airliner immediately after the crash- If I'm not mistaken, for a whole month, apparently, they deliberately continued to fire at the crash site and "plowed" the ground there along with the remains of the airliner and possible evidence of dying.
Thus, Ukraine itself for a long time did not allow international forensic investigators and investigators both to begin examining the place of the fall and to start collecting material evidence for expert analysis that could remain there.
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[scriptguru]

Let me remind you that he fell on the territory of the "DPR", not the Netherlands. And the "citizens of the DPR" there looted worse than the Iranians. And it would be problematic for the Netherlands to somehow influence them.

[Tatyana]

Quote: scriptguru

Let me remind you that he fell on the territory of the "DPR", not the Netherlands.

Well, how do you read ?! It's written

Quote: scriptguru

When the MN-17 airliner was shot down and it crashed in the territory of the DPR,

You would only argue.
And the APU was constantly firing at the crash site of the airliner for what reason - destroying evidence? The Donetsk residents collected for the Netherlands and handed over to them what they managed to collect for the investigation!
Well, how can you turn everything over like that? !!! Shame on you?

[scriptguru]

We handed over everything that was not useful on the farm

[Tatyana]

Quote: scriptguru

We handed over everything that was not useful on the farm

You were there? Or judge by VSUshnikami in the Donbass?

[scriptguru]

No, thank you, I have not been and do not plan. But they themselves did not hesitate to take pictures with stolen goods and upload these photos and videos to the network. And if you look, then such good is full, but if you look. And if you watch Russian TV, it’s not located.

[210ox]

Everything returns a boomerang ..

[mikstepanenko]

Good photos, self-revealing for Poroshenko. The first is a bus near Volnovakha, "fired upon by the City of terrorists." Not a single large shrapnel hole, only small shrapnel mines from the MES. And round in submachine gun caliber, and "DNR terrorists" there could not be, by definition, far away.
The second photo is Russian civilian passports as evidence of the presence of Russian troops. Correct if I am mistaken - in my time, active servicemen did not have passports, a military ID or an officer’s ID card.

[Lelek]

Quote: Thrall

According to the knurled pattern

Well, this ingot has reason to be brutalized (as described by Oleinik):

[major147]

Quote: maxim947

Again, toilets, sockets and shades? ...

Again, they have nothing left !?

[4ekist]

Again, toilets, sockets and shades? ...
Salo is forgotten.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: c-Petrov

I am already ashamed of the Ukrainians as the fifth year.
how this tribe still gurgles manages everywhere, it is not clear

Yeah! This page, where crowds of gangsters have been robbing the houses of the inhabitants of Donbass for five years, where Lviv markets are crowded with things of robbed people of LDNR, is still opening its mouth about someone’s looting !!! Cynical goons!

[St Petrov]

This is a page where crowds of gangsters have been robbing residents for five years.

Well, nothing, the sad terpily pressed the minus - and it seems like they won. SUGS !. They will also pay a tax on the war with the Russians, their parents, pensioners, will pay 100% of their pensions for housing and communal services, and then the children of the pirates will whine to VO about exorbitant taxes in Russia, about retirement age and the fact that it is impossible to live "in this country". They grunt and will continue to live in their reality. Dislike to help terpily.

[Vend]

Quote: c-Petrov

I am already ashamed of the Ukrainians as the fifth year.
how this tribe still gurgles manages everywhere, it is not clear

Well, as they say, a cat scratches on its ridge

[Gray brother]

Quote: s-t Petrov

how this tribe still gurgles manages everywhere, it is not clear

The titular nation measures all on its own.

[St Petrov]

The titular nation measures all on its own.

Now Ukrainian patriots will begin to struggle incredibly with your post. the battle for the airport seems like a chalk

[Gray brother]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Now Ukrainian patriots will incredibly fight with your post

Volunteers from Canada and the USA are called on to the thread)))

[4ekist]

Pictures with d @ beat.

[Deniska999]

But it’s interesting what comments would be if instead of the phrase “Ukrainian investigators” there were “Russian investigators” ... Everyone would say together what Iranians were byaks, marauders, etc.

[St Petrov]

But it’s interesting what comments would be if instead of the phrase “Ukrainian investigators” there were “Russian investigators”.

SUGS! Denisk999, and you paid the tax on the war with the Russians? I wonder how do you comment on the payment of this tax?

Is it cool to pay tax on a war that doesn't exist? Describe your feelings. Never thought that you pay a little? What more is needed. So that right to Moscow on Bulat.

PS when you ask about something Ukrainian patriot, for some reason he begins to be shy of Ukrainian origin and begins to say that he is Russian from Siberia. Lameness of the guiding nature of Ukrainian Svidomo patriots

[Deniska999]

How you burned right away. If you immediately went to clarify the origin, then there is nothing to say. And the letters i, which, apparently, you want to troll, alas, do not understand. After all, they were canceled even after the revolution.

[St Petrov]

How you burned right away.

why?

[Deniska999]

From how easily your bias towards foreign countries is revealed and how easily the interpretation of the text changes.

[St Petrov]

From how easily your bias towards foreign countries is revealed.

I do not consider this territory as a country, if that. I can go there with an internal Russian passport

I won’t even see border guards. It won’t even hurt that I’m in Peacemaker. This information to waffles is like a knife on a forelock.

[Deniska999]

The flag is in your hands, well.

[St Petrov]

The flag is in your hands, well.

and the Ukrainian army is also a brave flag in the trench. each patriot of Ukraine would tattoo on his face such

PS Whose Crimea is that?

[Deniska999]

I do not consider someone brave, someone the other way around. I try rationally to what is happening. I don’t understand your emotions. And your trolling is too thick and ridiculous.

[St Petrov]

I do not consider someone brave, someone the other way around.

brave those who fight for their land. And we must remember that the city of Kiev is a Russian city. Or Kharkiv Ukrainian city? And what kind of wondrous nation is this - the Ukrainians. In general, I have my own questions, sometimes I ask here.

I don’t understand your emotions.

oh well then you. What really. I thought you were a Ukrainian lad. As in Ukraine, this still did not excite everyone, I just can’t understand. Where is the citizenship of the Little Russians? Are you still there? Are there still people in Odessa?

And your trolling is too thick and ridiculous.

I still haven't asked half of whose Crimea, that's where it will be thick. Watch as they play with the answer and start moaning. That's when my soul rejoices that I opened the "bro"

I have my own hobby here. Nothing personal.

[Looking for]

unfortunately. because of your shame, neither cold nor hot. But learning their impudence would not hurt.

[St Petrov]

. But learning their impudence would not hurt.

yes they are waffles, what to learn? whimper on the internet?) to conquer the Crimea with dislikes? To pay tax on a war that doesn't exist?

[4ekist]

Why adopt their manners cattle @?

[Lelek]

Quote: s-t Petrov

how does this tribe still gurgle everywhere

Well said. The thing is that the western project "Ukraine" is becoming obsolete like shagreen leather, and various ex-Chugunkins are forced to trend about this already as "experts". And now it was so close, ankle-deep in "Europe", and then the whistle, it's a shame, however.

[aszzz888]

Lelek (Leo) Yesterday, 19: 14
+1
Quote: c-Petrov
how does this tribe still gurgle everywhere

hi
Well said. The thing is that the western project "Ukraine" is becoming obsolete like shagreen leather, and various ex-Chugunkins are forced to trend about this already as "experts".

and besides, their prime minister dumps aside. https://www.bbc.com/www.bbc.com ›russian› news-51146039
The Prime Minister of Ukraine has submitted his resignation ...
10 hours ago - Prime Minister of Ukraine Oleksiy Goncharuk said that he had written a letter of resignation and handed it to the president ..

[Lelek]

Quote: aszzz888

The Prime Minister of Ukraine has submitted his resignation ...

He filed, but the hetman did not let him go - a peculiar game-advertisement of democracy in Ukrainian. So, the tryndage started last year continues with renewed vigor.

[Vasya Solntsev]

What they themselves think about people !!!

[Terenin]

At the crash site, they saw a bunch of strange people - Iranians, who were swarming, collecting remains, things, debris. Who handed over for scrap, who took it as a keepsake.
Thus, the Ukrainian investigation accused the Iranians of looting at the scene of the disaster.

I agree with that. The task of the authorities is to take measures to preserve the scene of the incident.

[St Petrov]

from where does this circus actor know about the delivery of meth? He either took metal, or walked past a point at that moment

These are Ukrainian officials, they cannot speak as they are. Defective tribe.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: s-t Petrov

from where does this circus actor know about the delivery of meth? He either took the metal, or walked past the point at that moment. These are Ukrainian officials, they cannot speak as they are. Defective tribe.

Looks envious that he himself could not be there on time and put a paw on the scrap. Although everything is ahead, if a decision has actually been made to cut into metal individual (and very extensive) sections of the Ukrainian (in fact, Soviet) gas transportation system.

[Shkworen]

I must somehow remind myself :)

[tihonmarine]

At the crash site, they saw a bunch of strange people - Iranians, who were swarming, collecting remains, things, debris. Who handed over for scrap, who took it as a keepsake.

If high-voltage lines on metal were handed over, then the plane will be pulled away.

[prior]

Due to being late, Ukrainians could not profit from the ashes, now the Persians are accused of looting.

[Invoce]

Why in this case The Ukrainian side does not make claims to the investigation in the Netherlands, which initially did not take care of the collection of all material evidence and the full layout of the downed Boeing of Malaysian Airlines in July 2014 ...

Because claims had to be made to the Ukrainian side by the investigation ...
In this case, Sherochka and Masherochka whispered and decided that everything was in order

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Tse zh "Yavropeytsy" accuse ....

[Old26]

Quote: c-Petrov

from where does this circus actor know about the delivery of meth? He either took metal, or walked past a point at that moment

These are Ukrainian officials, they cannot speak as they are. Defective tribe.

Well, the fact that there were many people who did not belong to rescuers is a documentary fact. And the fact that there were photographs when they were shoveled with a bulldozer (material evidence! Not the best way to save them) - there are also such photographs. It cannot be ruled out that someone could see how "left-wing people" or dragged metal, and possibly things.

In the first photo, there are clearly rescuers, in the second - it is not clear who.

[St Petrov]

In the first photo, there are clearly rescuers, in the second - it is not clear who.

Yes, anyone can be, officials who have a civilian uniform.
Everything is fenced. There is a line hanging. Local authorities know who is who. Onlooker is not there

To consider the Persians stupid / wild or a tribe insane - naivety

[scriptguru]

To consider that in Iran the order and the population behaves in a civilized manner is no less naive.

[mikstepanenko]

I’m embarrassed to ask about that brightly dressed pile in the first picture. Is it always a lifeguard supposed to stand in a heap and do nothing? There are no photos at work, they are always only stacked around without work.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Old26

on the second - it is not clear who.

Duc, volunteers.

[Brturin]

In statements, you need to be more careful, and you can stay without a trading partner - in 2018, Ukrainian export of agricultural and food products to Iran amounted to $ 421 million.

[cniza]

They don’t even think about it.

[scriptguru]

So with anti-aircraft missiles should be treated with caution. This, of course, is not 421 million dollars, but only 176 people, but to whom is it important, right?

[Brturin]

“Those who refer to the number 52 must remember the number 290 and flight IR655” - Iranian President Hassan Rouhani

[scriptguru]

And what's this for? Iran shot down a plane. This is a fact confirmed by Iran itself. Statements like "Ukraine must keep an eye on the bazaar, otherwise it is possible to lose a trading partner" sound at least ridiculous, since Ukrainian experts only declare that they see at the very place where the wreckage of the plane shot down by Iran fell.

[Old26]

Quote: c-Petrov

In the first photo, there are clearly rescuers, in the second - it is not clear who.

Yes, anyone can be, officials who have a civilian uniform.
Everything is fenced. There is a line hanging. Local authorities know who is who. Onlooker is not there

To consider the Persians stupid / wild or a tribe insane - naivety

But to consider the Ukrainians completely frostbitten d. Morons-is also naive. And read the posts on this thread - just consider Ukrainians as such.
Yes, there can be everything in the second photo, that's why I wrote that it is not clear who. Other photographs also include officials, sometimes close to the lifeguards, sometimes aside. True, they are dressed somewhat differently, not in T-shirts, as in photo No. 2. Who is at number 2 - UNKNOWN. Maybe there are onlookers, or maybe someone else. Therefore, exclude including and looting is completely impossible

[St Petrov]

But to consider the Ukrainians completely frostbitten d. Morons-is also naive.

they are. And they are very patient. The standard of patience. They not only spoil the life of neighbors - but also themselves. They walk around Kiev with torches and portraits of the Nazis. This is a sad tribe. Despised by me.

Still these ... not to fight - the water in the Crimea was blocked, and still these ... nonhumans - believe that it is necessary

And they also sent an army to kill their citizens, and the country is waving, there are not even rallies against the war. There are selfish rallies, so that the sons of the bastard would be better, more fashionable.

And these terpils pay the tax on the war with the Russians and none of these suffered even ask for it from their wretched authorities. Yes, and to whom is there anyone to ask - the whole tribe is tied with blood and donates to the war

And read the posts on this thread - just consider Ukrainians as such.

if it weren’t for censorship, the citizens of Okraintsev would still not read about themselves

But nothing, they read about everything to themselves.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Still these ... not to shove - the water in the Crimea was blocked and still these ... nonhumans ......... have done the right thing, the Zaporizhzhya NPP has been shaking for the fourth year now, how much radioactive excreta was poured into the Dnieper is unknown and even there is no means to properly maintain the Chernobyl sarcophagus, it is falling apart with all the consequences, let us drink water from the crippled Dnieper, and we use water from artesians and Krasnodar and do not complain

[cniza]

Their "statehood" will still come back to haunt so that little will seem to anyone.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Their "statehood" will still come back to haunt so ........ I can only upset, there is no statehood even in quotes, it ended in 2014

[cniza]

Therefore, quotation marks, because the United States is played, although everyone understands perfectly.

[mikstepanenko]

And how do you imagine the anti-fascist rallies in Germany that year in 1938?

[St Petrov]

look, old, what waffles and animals are shown in the video. Tell me what units there are. yeah. When you saw a cockroach on the floor - it means you already teeming with them an apartment - and the fact that it is crawling alone - it only means that they don’t consider you as a threat, and the rest

And how do you imagine the anti-fascist rallies in Germany that year in 1938?

in Germany everything was back to normal while they were winning. And they won notably at first. There were units of dissent, amid total approval. Then everyone started whining that they got mad, that they didn’t think it would turn out like this, that they defended a great deal of non-fussiness - but in order for them to whine, they had to first break the ridge.

And how can they be compared with these waffles, the Germans walked along the outer perimeter, looking for enemies. The Germans did not arrange a war with the Germans. In any country, after such a move, rulers are raised to forks.

[mikstepanenko]

The Germans did not arrange a war with the Germans.
Of course ..... if you do not recall the concentration camps and mass emigration. Doesn’t resemble anything?

[orionvitt]

the Ukrainian side does not make complaints to the investigation in the Netherlands, which initially did not take care of collecting all material evidence

Because, "I play here, I don't play here, but here I wrap the fish." Depends on a situation. And at the same time, the whole world is considered half-witted and in all seriousness believe that no one sees or understands anything.

[svp67]

Thus, the Ukrainian investigation accused the Iranians of looting at the scene of the disaster.

And this is really a VERY serious accusation, after which there may be an accusation that Iran tried to hide the causes of the disaster in this way.

Why, in this case, the Ukrainian side does not make claims to the investigation in the Netherlands, which initially did not take care of collecting all material evidence and the full layout of the Malaysian Airlines' Boeing downed in July 2014 ...

Yes, because there Ukraine was in the position of today's Iran. And somehow it is forgotten that Ukraine, at that moment, did not stop hostilities in the area of ​​the fall and artillery was working in that area.

[cniza]

Their accusations, as always in words and there is no evidence.

[svp67]

Quote: cniza

Their accusations, as always in words and there is no evidence.

Well, it’s clear that now these are only high-profile statements, we’ll see what will be in the final document, but agree, if this is so, then this is a serious miscalculation from Iran

[cniza]

Yes, but knowing our neighbors, there is a suspicion that they give out what they wish for reality.

[mikstepanenko]

Clarification. The artillery in that area began to work AFTER the disaster, and before that he was of no interest to anyone.

[cniza]

The Ukrainian investigation accused Iranians of looting at the crash site of the Boeing

Who will believe you, these are just your words ...

[Old26]

they are.

It is your right to consider them all so and despise. My attitude towards them is somewhat different.

They not only spoil the life of neighbors - but themselves. They walk around Kiev with torches and portraits of the Nazis. This is a sad tribe. Despised by me.

At one time, Iosif Vissarionovich, whom many people like to refer to here, said that "the USSR is fighting not against the Germans, but against the fascists."
So it is here. How many of the 40 million inhabitants of Ukraine walk with torches and portraits of the Nazis? With a million typed or several times less? And you put an equal sign between several tens of thousands of outright bandits (I don’t give another definition, they will be banned) and the rest of the country. And the water in the Crimea was not blocked by an ordinary resident, but still some of this cohort of bandits.

And they also sent an army to kill their citizens, and the country is waving, there are not even rallies against the war.

For them, the inhabitants of the DPR-LPR are separatists who want to destroy "a united and indivisible Ukraine." And the country's leadership, in particular the president, takes an oath to preserve the integrity of the country when taking office. From a purely human point of view, the desire of Donbass residents not to be under the thumb of bandits and nationalists is understandable. But this is our opinion, our emotions and nothing more.
And the inhabitants of Chechnya were about the same for us at a certain time. And in the same way, we sent to pacify their army. For they did not want the rebellious province of Russia to tear off part of it. The difference is that there the separatists killed civilians, and in the Donbass they kill "separatists"

There are selfish rallies, so that the sons of the bastard would be better, more fashionable.

Yeah. My first head of our KB division said:
"If you want to know (understand) how your interlocutor (vis-a-vis, opponent) will act - put yourself in his place". Put yourself in the place of the parents of the same boys who were called up and who are sent to the ATO zone without normal uniforms, without body armor. Or would you not go to such a rally if your son with the demand for normal armament or uniform were among these guys?

And these terpils pay the tax on the war with the Russians and none of these suffered even ask for it from their wretched authorities. Yes, and to whom is there anyone to ask - the whole tribe is tied with blood and donates to the war

You famously recorded 90-95% of the inhabitants in these terpils? Sitting lightly on the couch despise them. And if you live there, in Ukraine, you have lived there for about 40 years, or even more and in Russia you have no one, and you nobody - what should you do? To go to the brutal crowd of bandyuganov and banderlogov with brainwashed and demand something from them? Or from the authorities, who covered themselves with just such? So some in Odessa in the recreation center have already tried. The hunt was repelled, and for a long time.
The population of Ukraine was in the position of the population of Germany. When a few percent led the rest as they wanted and for those who disagree, there was one way - a concentration camp.

[St Petrov]

How many of the 40 million inhabitants of Ukraine walk with torches and portraits of the Nazis?

The status of a participant in the hostilities was received by 300 members of ATA (we multiply it by the number of people in the family), he is now at home talking about how he separated the separas, and he is poured and the stories are listened to. Well, about the flags - tens of thousands only in Kiev stubborn - on the Dnieper, in Zhytomyr and other villages - they are everywhere .. Well, how many houses sat and smiled at this. There and do not count

And you put an equal sign between several tens of thousands of outright bandits (I don’t give another definition, they will be banned) and the rest of the country. And the water in the Crimea was not blocked by an ordinary resident, but still some of this cohort of bandits.

terpils and waffles. what else can be said about them. 5 years to pay tax on the war, which is not. The ruler is not even a Cossack, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is ruled by an Armenian. What is this tribe? who are you fencing off? Let them eat.

put yourself in the place of the parents of the same boys who were called up and who are sent to the anti-terrorist operation zone without normal uniforms, without bulletproof vests.

I even xs how to comment on this. put yourself in the place of those who pay tax on the war with the Russians and send their offspring to attack Moscow? Well, I do not.

if among these boys would your son be demanding normal weapons or uniforms?

Do you seriously think that I am one of those who would send my son to war with the Russians? And would I whine about body armor? We are from different universes, really

You famously recorded 90-95% of the inhabitants in these terpils?

Well, Crimea did not tolerate and Donbass did not tolerate. Who did not tolerate - he has long made a choice.

Sitting lightly on the couch despise them.

and I wouldn’t shy away from the summons. Yes, there is no war. The war is only among Ukrainian Cossacks - they were told about this by the Taptins Baptist and other Ukrainians - Zelensky, Poroshenko, Avakov and this carrot, Yaytsenyuk - really suffered a tribe controlled by such sad waffles

what do you do

either haw this or not haw. there are 2 ways. You can become a deserter in the Armed Forces and not kill your fellow tribesmen. And you can whimper quietly - and serve for a couple of thousand hryvnias, clapping from a mortar into milk.

[St Petrov]

So some in Odessa in the recreation center have already tried. The hunt was repelled, and for a long time.

it is the soft-bodied wines that did not come out in support. who seem to be for the Russians, but let others go to battle. Heroes came out - at home there were waffles who told themselves why they did not go. Heroes thought that there would be more of them - heroes thought that there would be more of them. And that was their mistake.

It would be more - would have identified Badera in their cocks corner. But it turned out that the heroes in the country are a minority. And waffles - they are omnipresent

[mikstepanenko]

You can become a deserter in the Armed Forces and not kill your fellow tribesmen.
And there is a third way, perhaps the most common. Quiet sabotage. From one of the "ATO participants". The mobile works and we call back with the "enemy". They are forced to shoot (mortar) both sides, we warn you. You don’t go there tomorrow, we’ll shoot there tomorrow. Or even an application - don't shoot tomorrow, we will have a wedding. The application is being executed.
Sometimes the indignation of the Nazis is even published about the sabotage of army units, although the censorship quickly removes it. And there are skirmishes between the army and the "good soldiers", it happened, and Grady was used.

[St Petrov]

They force them to shoot (mortar) on both sides, we warn you.

and then the captain patriot of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will closely stand up with a calculation, check where they pointed, check - and those who agreed and normal guys in general - will execute the order as it should

because today it rolled, and tomorrow the situation has changed. At that time I brought it into the field - but this time you have no options left.

And there are also skirmishes between the army and the "dobrobats", it happened that Grady was also used.

it would be nice if they sawed each other out, and the remnants of the survivors left for their farms in anticipation of the tribunal

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Old26

the inhabitants of Chechnya were approximately the same for us at a certain time. AND

Vladimir, and you there too ... This is a completely ridiculous comparison, more than once broken. There is no point once again saying everything point by point. Just to repeat: in this case, they are trying to compare the warm with the soft.

[mikstepanenko]

There are some misunderstandings about the Iranian Boeing. Departed with a full refueling, at least 20 tons of kerosene, a railway tank. The shooting shows that there was an explosion in the fall, which means the fuel should catch fire. Minimum hectare of subsidiary burned-out land. And in the pictures of the area there are no signs of burning.
About Malaysian Boeing. Not only the debris was not collected there, but the disaster area immediately began to be fired from with heavy artillery. Before that, this patch was of no interest to anyone; the nearest militia was a few km away at Saur Mogile.

[Basarev]

Perhaps it will turn out to set all these Klamin’s possessed Natsik against the Iranians? After all, looting is forbidden, forgiven, the criminal who will lower the plundering of the dead.

[Old26]

Quote: c-Petrov

How many of the 40 million inhabitants of Ukraine walk with torches and portraits of the Nazis?

The status of a participant in the hostilities was received by 300 members of ATA (we multiply it by the number of people in the family), he is now at home talking about how he separated the separas, and he is poured and the stories are listened to. Well, about the flags - tens of thousands only in Kiev stubborn - on the Dnieper, in Zhytomyr and other villages - they are everywhere .. Well, how many houses sat and smiled at this. There and do not count

And you put an equal sign between several tens of thousands of outright bandits (I don’t give another definition, they will be banned) and the rest of the country. And the water in the Crimea was not blocked by an ordinary resident, but still some of this cohort of bandits.

terpils and waffles. what else can be said about them. 5 years to pay tax on the war, which is not. The ruler is not even a Cossack, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is ruled by an Armenian. What is this tribe? who are you fencing off? Let them eat.

put yourself in the place of the parents of the same boys who were called up and who are sent to the anti-terrorist operation zone without normal uniforms, without bulletproof vests.

I even xs how to comment on this. put yourself in the place of those who pay tax on the war with the Russians and send their offspring to attack Moscow? Well, I do not.

if among these boys would your son be demanding normal weapons or uniforms?

Do you seriously think that I am one of those who would send my son to war with the Russians? And would I whine about body armor? We are from different universes, really

You famously recorded 90-95% of the inhabitants in these terpils?

Well, Crimea did not tolerate and Donbass did not tolerate. Who did not tolerate - he has long made a choice.

Sitting lightly on the couch despise them.

and I wouldn’t shy away from the summons. Yes, there is no war. The war is only among Ukrainian Cossacks - they were told about this by the Taptins Baptist and other Ukrainians - Zelensky, Poroshenko, Avakov and this carrot, Yaytsenyuk - really suffered a tribe controlled by such sad waffles

what do you do

either haw this or not haw. there are 2 ways. You can become a deserter in the Armed Forces and not kill your fellow tribesmen. And you can whimper quietly - and serve for a couple of thousand hryvnias, clapping from a mortar into milk.

I will answer all questions at once so as not to continue
1. We really treat you with different universes. I do not despise Ukrainians and do not hate them. You have only two, or rather three criteria. Or a hero, or a Bandera or suffered / waffle.
I will not cut everyone under one comb. As well as I do not put an equal sign between all who were in the anti-terrorist operation zone. Some went there to kill, others were there by chance.
And those who were there do not always tell how they drank separs, drink vodka, and the family smiles at the same time.

You write, "Would I really have sent my son to fight against the Russians? And who would ask you. The nephew of my former colleague at work studied at the EMNIP Institute (or technical school, it doesn't matter). I went to class and did not return home. Only a few days I could let him know where he was and what, but it was too late.

I repeat. The difference between us is that I do not consider all Ukrainians to be frostbitten, do not despise them and do not hate them.
Three hundred thousand ATE veterans are less than one percent of the population. Let there be one percent with the marching. The rest, in your opinion, are terpils. Here we disagree and disagree. You have only three categories. Heroes, banderlogs and terpils. Banderlogov - less than one percent. Heroes - probably less than one tenth of a percent. All the rest are patient for you, that is, people are not even of the second grade, so you neglect them

The issue with Crimea is different from the issue with Donbass. The Constitution of Ukraine says that it is a unitary state, which included the autonomous republic. With its government, structures. So, it’s one thing when autonomy leaves the state, and transferred to the state in violation of laws, and the second, when separate regions try to leave the structure (the regions are not in full force, but their fragments). And how long this confrontation will continue is unknown

I think this should stop the discussion on the people of Ukraine. You do not convince me, I - you

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There are some misunderstandings about the Iranian Boeing. Departed with a full refueling, at least 20 tons of kerosene, a railway tank. The shooting shows that there was an explosion in the fall, which means the fuel should catch fire. Minimum hectare of subsidiary burned-out land. And in the pictures of the area there are no signs of burning.

And it should burn long enough. Yes, and many of the things would also burn

[St Petrov]

I repeat. The difference between us is that I do not consider all Ukrainians to be frostbitten, do not despise them and do not hate them.

You may not understand - I consider myself, a Belarusian and a Ukrainian - Russian - I do not know such a nation - Ukrainians. The main thing is not to fly. Do you understand? Or not zmagar. People are everywhere. Everywhere there should be a lot of them. I appeal to people.

Therefore, in principle, I can not hate Ukrainians. But Svidomo cheekbones reduces. I can’t even eat

And they need to be pricked, so that they do not forget that they are now fully functional. Suddenly they forgot, and if you remind them of the wall of Yaytsenyuk - maybe their head will turn on

After all, when in the country of people the head turns on, the country makes a choice. On our outskirts, as usual, Robin

Banderlogov - less than one percent.

why do they have the whole country?

You write, "Would I really have sent my son to fight against the Russians? And who would ask you. The nephew of my former colleague at work studied at the EMNIP Institute (or technical school, it doesn't matter). I went to class and did not return home. Only a few days I could let him know where he was and what, but it was too late.

there would be a desire and understanding. And you can always justify yourself. Better let him justify in front of him why he escaped from the APU. In this situation, there will not even be a conflict with conscience, unless of course he is a banderlog

[hohkn]

Thus, the Ukrainian investigation accused the Iranians of looting at the scene of the disaster.

Do they all measure themselves?

[ljoha_d]

A similar picture was observed in Ukraine itself during the fall of the Malaysian Boeing

[Avior]

Which fell into the territory of the DPR

[forester1971]

Lies from the first to the last word. In Iran, organization is an order of magnitude higher than in Ukraine, strangers could not roam there and collect something there. And the Persians mentality from the Arabs differ for the better.

[Tank jacket]

Former CIA officer: US hacked transponder of Ukrainian plane
Philip Giraldi, a former counterterrorism specialist and CIA military intelligence officer, wrote an article in the American Herald Tribune in which he suggested that the United States launched several cyber attacks, one on the Iranian missile defense system and the other on a doomed Ukrainian aircraft transponder. The same technology, of course, can be used to modify or even mask a transponder on a civilian airliner in such a way as to send false information about identity and location. The United States has the power of cyber and electronic warfare to suppress and alter signals related to both transponder airliners and Iranian air defense. Israel seems to have the same ability, Giraldi said. In conclusion, Giraldi said that the US radio-electronic operation to bring down a civilian plane and then blame Iran for this, “involves a deliberate and carefully planned event” to create a “false flag” and a motive for the next world war.