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Pension reform: the law on new pensions in the plans of the Medvedev government does not appear

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A new government “gift” is being discussed in Russia related to the theme of old-age pensions and the ongoing pension reform. Today, the RBC portal announced the availability of a document that says that the cabinet of ministers, headed by Dmitry Medvedev, did not include the draft of a new funded pension system in the legislative plan for the current year.


Earlier it was assumed that the system of new pensions "old age" will work from January 2021. But now it turns out that the government has not yet prepared a "high-quality and legally correct document."

In other words, the government is not ready to present a guaranteed pension plan this year. And this despite the fact that raising the bar for retirement age in Russia was carried out without any delay with “legally correct documents”. It turned out to be sufficient to constantly demonstrate cheerful 70-80-year-old pensioners, parachuting, scuba diving and passionately wanting to continue to work. I also remember the promises that indexation of pensions will become a constant and tangible phenomenon - such that in a few years, average pensions will overcome the barrier of 20 thousand rubles. Perhaps on paper this overcoming will take place, as it often happens.

But how it comes to the need for clarification, by what principle a funded pension will be formed in Russia, the state system decides to hold off.

The State Duma says that if the government itself does not work out the document, then representatives of the deputy corps can take on this work.

Recall that in December last year, the Federation Council approved the freezing of the funded part of the pension until 2022. And in January of this year, Russians will find out that the law on new pensions does not appear in the plans of the Medvedev government. If only in the "long-term", because, as you know, the thesis applies to the relation: "do not change the horses at the crossing." And the "crossing", apparently, is protracted.
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  1. GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 14 January 2020 18: 34
    +40
    the law on new pensions in the plans of the government of Medvedev does not appear
    They wait until they die out ..
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 January 2020 18: 38
      +51
      Earlier it was assumed that the system of new pensions "old age" will work from January 2021. But now it turns out that the government has not yet prepared a "high-quality and legally correct document."

      Really didn’t understand yet .. that they just threw everyone .. Stalin is so short of such a government ..
      1. Po-tzan
        Po-tzan 14 January 2020 18: 48
        -23
        Quote: Svarog
        Really didn’t understand yet .. that they just threw everyone .. Stalin is so short of such a government ..


        Yes. Little was left for Vladimir Vladimirovich to finally raise Russia from its knees, and then immediately Kudrin and Medvedev planted a pig for him.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 January 2020 19: 01
          +36
          Quote: PO-tzan
          Quote: Svarog
          Really didn’t understand yet .. that they just threw everyone .. Stalin is so short of such a government ..


          Yes. Little was left for Vladimir Vladimirovich to finally raise Russia from its knees, and then immediately Kudrin and Medvedev planted a pig for him.

          Kudrin and Medvedev druzhany is one team .. they together lift Russia from their knees ..
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Vyacheslav Viktorovich 14 January 2020 19: 25
            +27
            And the main thing in the current domestic political news is not to mention the name of the guarantor.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 14 January 2020 21: 08
              +8
              And most importantly

              And most importantly, the "family" has long been making it clear that for the future, instead of retirement, those who have lost the ability to work should prepare
              "Into the Junk", painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Vladimirovich Kudelin), Wonderful People's Artist
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 14 January 2020 19: 43
            +9
            Quote: Svarog
            Kudrin and Medvedev druzhany is one team .. they together lift Russia from their knees ..

            They have a top friend.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 14 January 2020 19: 47
              +19
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Svarog
              Kudrin and Medvedev druzhany is one team .. they together lift Russia from their knees ..

              They have a top friend.

              Whose name is unknowing to pronounce .. and then the comment will be deleted .. publicity however ..
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 14 January 2020 20: 07
                +21
                Quote: Svarog
                Whose name is unknowing to pronounce .. and then the comment will be deleted .. publicity however ..

                In the wonderful fairy tale "The Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors" there were many characters, the most important Topsed, Nushrok, Anidag, Koruko, Abazh, Yanyp, Yagupop, Nomiden .... Actual thing for today, together with Dunno on the Moon!) wink
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 14 January 2020 21: 31
                  +7
                  And the positive character, Gurd, worked hard in that "Kingdom", but, at the same time, lived in poverty. Which is also significant. hi
              2. Kazbek
                Kazbek 14 January 2020 20: 24
                -12
                For what names do comments delete? Putin? Bulk? Maybe Venediktova? Or Shvonderovich? I would send for faddish comments to the ban.
              3. ltc35
                ltc35 14 January 2020 20: 43
                +10
                Who is this main one? GDP has not solved anything for a long time and is used as a flag and a head who can speak well in a box and in an external field.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 14 January 2020 20: 47
                  +8
                  Quote: ltc35
                  Who is this main one? GDP has not solved anything for a long time and is used as a flag and a head who can speak well in a box and in an external field.

                  And why then is he still president? We have it all ... local officials do not decide anything ... but hold on to places ...
                  1. ltc35
                    ltc35 14 January 2020 20: 50
                    +15
                    So, if the poor fellow let go on a well-deserved rest, then the built system will collapse. There is no worthy deputy, the fields are thoroughly cleaned, and DAMA people hate fiercely.
                    1. Kazbek
                      Kazbek 14 January 2020 21: 57
                      0
                      Well, that is, "nothing will solve", but if you remove it - "everything will collapse." Hmm. How do these two mutually exclusive paragraphs get along in your head? Seeing regular celebrations of the day of the Airborne Forces with the obligatory ritual breaking of bottles on the strongest part of the human body were not in vain for you ... good For the airborne forces!!!
                      1. dauria
                        dauria 14 January 2020 22: 46
                        +3
                        Hm. And how do these two mutually exclusive paragraphs get along in your head?


                        It’s like cowards on the beach - and you don’t need it (what is there to hide?), But until you buy new ones, you don’t throw away the old ones.
                        That’s the whole role of the president in our country - a screen, to cover shame.
                      2. Kazbek
                        Kazbek 14 January 2020 23: 25
                        -5
                        So, in a nutshell, shame in what?
                      3. dauria
                        dauria 14 January 2020 23: 38
                        +4
                        So, in a nutshell, shame in what?


                        The point of explaining to the blind what a rainbow looks like? Moreover, you are here not for understanding, but for "opposing" you hang out.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 23: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: Kazbek
                        in a nutshell, shame in what?

                        In a nutshell? "And the king is naked!"
                      5. ltc35
                        ltc35 15 January 2020 10: 23
                        0
                        Have fun laughing laughing laughing
                        I have two higher educations and my own small company. And, by the way, you also need to know how to break a bottle on your head, otherwise brains can leak out. Did you happen to break yourself?
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 20: 54
                    -18
                    Quote: Svarog
                    local officials decide nothing ... but hold on to places ...

                    Not everywhere, my little town, for example, has changed for the better for the last ten years. Both externally and not only yes

                    Quote: Svarog
                    And why then is he still president?

                    Moreover, the President to your local officials? You would, I see, change the whole system. Complete the house first, it is much simpler and certainly - much more useful wink

                    Quote: Svarog
                    We have it like that ..

                    You have - yes.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 14 January 2020 21: 00
                      +20
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Not everywhere, my little town, for example, has changed for the better for the last ten years. Both externally and not only

                      Mine has also changed .. the facade has become really better .. but in parallel and the lines to the trash at the supermarkets have increased .. The external beauty is good, but it should not climb into the trash, and there are more and more alcoholics .. and pensioners .. I was on NG in Moscow .. I'm in shock, people with Slavic faces in alien costumes entertain Gaster .. in Moscow there are fewer Slavic faces .. Islamobad ..

                      You would, I see, change the whole system. Complete the house first, it is much simpler and certainly - much more useful wink

                      The system definitely needs updating .. another 20 years of capitalism and the decline of the Russians will be catastrophic ..
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 07
                        -15
                        Quote: Svarog
                        in parallel, and queues for garbage in supermarkets have increased ..

                        "Svarog", change the training manual ... I have two Fives, Magnet and Attacks within walking distance. Something I do not observe any special queues to the landfills.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        but he should not climb into the garbage dumps, and there are more and more of them not drunks .. and pensioners ..

                        These are your words. Against mine, for example. My parents are pensioners, but they don’t climb into the trash. Not bureaucrats at the same time. How is it so, do not tell?

                        Homeless people, yes, they are nimble in rubbish bins. But they have all the earnings (metal there, well, and so on) - from the same dumps. And the earned leaves, as a rule - for vodka. Such - yes, I know personally.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        The system definitely needs updating ..

                        And who argues with this? Only by your transfusion from empty to empty you will not change anything. Do not even finish the house. And after 20 years - too request

                        IMHO, yes.
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 14 January 2020 21: 10
                        +6
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Do not even finish the house. And after 20 years - too

                        I won’t finish selling it. I’m glad you care so much about my house. laughing Maybe 1 million send for completion?
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 13
                        -4
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Maybe 1 million send for completion?

                        Trim sturgeon, and earn the rest. In my free time from trolling wink

                        This is good advice.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        you care so much about my house

                        No, what are you. I'm just amused by a certain discrepancy between a certain, ahem, neglect of your personal affairs and your desire to teach others how to live with aplomb. No more laughing
                      4. Svarog
                        Svarog 14 January 2020 21: 17
                        +12
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Trim sturgeon, and earn the rest. In my free time from trolling

                        Medvedev .. not really it's you laughing How similar you are ... there is no money - but you stay there and have a good mood wassat And here you are the troll and everyone who has been known for more than a year ..
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        No, what are you. I'm just amused by a certain discrepancy between a certain, ahem, neglect of your personal affairs and your desire to teach others how to live with aplomb. No more

                        You are even aware of my neglected affairs .. You amuse me today wink keep up the good work ..
                      5. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 21
                        -9
                        Everything, the tremor went past the topic. Boring with you, "Svarog". Dull you, and predictable.

                        And for those who cannot manage their business properly, but who cares to teach others, there are a lot of good words in Russian. But I'm afraid the admins will not approve of them laughing
                      6. Svarog
                        Svarog 14 January 2020 21: 24
                        +10
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        But I'm afraid admins will not approve

                        Administrators often approve of your constant flood .. so do not worry.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And for someone who himself can’t really set things up, but at the same time climbs others to teach,

                        And which of those around me do I teach? I just express my thoughts and feelings that the trolls really do not like .. Golovan, send a million, I promise, until I finish building the house, I will not write comments on VO .. it’s so customary for you to buy athletes, journalists .. wassat
                      7. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 29
                        -5
                        Quote: Svarog
                        send a million, I promise, until I finish building the house, I will not write comments on VO ..

                        Well, it’s you who have overestimated yourself powerfully !! good laughing good

                        Here it is, you panim: "Give me a million, give me a million." Firstly, I have no extra money, and secondly, you are the last one I will "feed". Well, I don't feed the trolls. I kick at times, yes. And feeding is not ... it's not mine request
                      8. Svarog
                        Svarog 14 January 2020 22: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Well, it’s you who have overestimated yourself powerfully !!

                        Golovan .. and your office will appreciate me how much? laughing wassat
                      9. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 22: 26
                        -8
                        Quote: Svarog
                        and your office will appreciate me how much?

                        1. I am for her (s).
                        2. On a patch a bunch, on a market day.

                        Something like this.
                      10. volodimer
                        volodimer 15 January 2020 19: 24
                        +1
                        It's sad to listen to you guys .. One: I’m so unblocked, everything is in a bunch, I don’t understand what the others are whining about ...
                        For some reason, the second one asks the first concept and sympathy, and also money ...
                        Golovan, your retired parents don’t climb in the trash because they have great pensions ... Or do you help them to live with dignity? Or it is possible that their pension is not 10 tr. and they themselves can, but this is not for everyone.
                        Svarog, it’s high time to understand that you can only rely on yourself, there’s no place to wait for sympathy.
                        I'm not going to teach you anything, just do not understand why I wrote everything. Likely to understand their problems ... Good luck to both of you in life hi
                      11. Kazbek
                        Kazbek 14 January 2020 21: 59
                        -12
                        People-horses, trash cans, queues to them, Gaster, Slavs mixed up in a heap ... Are you not taught in the courses to write provocative comments correctly and logically on the sites of the "Ahressor country"?
                      12. dauria
                        dauria 14 January 2020 23: 33
                        +8
                        Are you not taught in courses to write provocative comments correctly and logically on websites?


                        They teach, they teach ... And how! And the teachers are just lovely, as for selection. The State Duma (except for Poklonskaya), the government, and the LIGHTEST himself even took part in teaching us "provocative comments." Do you know how? They climbed into my pocket. From one to five years of work. To each. And let them rejoice that only "comments". In France, for this they will burn the floor of Paris. Try to take away a couple of cents from an American from an American - let alone the presidency, they won't be elected as a janitor.
                      13. New Year day
                        New Year day 15 January 2020 00: 25
                        +6
                        Quote: Kazbek
                        Are you not taught in the courses to correctly and logically write provocative comments on the sites of the "Ahressor country"?

                        we read Putin!
                        1. Said: “I want the generations that follow me to receive a normal pension and have a normal old age. So that they do not want to leave Russia, because it is impossible to live in it.
                        Our country is good. And it deserves people to live well in it "
                        Made: In December 2015, Putin signed a law abolishing the indexation of pensions for working retirees. At the same time, the real inflation rate for 2015, according to the assessment of the then Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev, was 12,5%

                        2. Said:

                        Made:
                      14. Kazbek
                        Kazbek 14 January 2020 23: 14
                        -9
                        It seems that all of Ukraine has gathered at the VO! Plus Svarog! laughing good drinks
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 21: 53
                      +9
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      my little town, for example, has changed for the better for the past ten years. Both externally and not only

                      Sure sure. And at the same time you go to Maskva to work.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 57
                        -2
                        Volodya, I have such a specialty. Closer to Mytishchi, there is no physical work on it, but to me - that in Mytishchi, that for the same Northerner ... everything is simple.

                        My place of work has nothing to do with how my city has changed. Here is yours request
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 22: 01
                        +8
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        My place of work has nothing to do with how my city has changed. Here is yours

                        That's it. feel My city has also changed in thirty years. But this does not negate the fact that half of my friends in Moscow are wiping their pants.
                    3. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 14 January 2020 23: 08
                      -1
                      Not everywhere, my little town, for example, has changed for the better for the last ten years. Both externally and not only yes ......... am Try to explain to them. it’s talking to the deaf ... They are like a grouse on a current ... I want power, I want power, I want power .... They want money, those that Russia has ... They want all the money wassat They are eager for power, and what will happen to the country doesn’t give a damn ...
                  3. New Year day
                    New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 20
                    +7
                    Quote: Svarog
                    And why then is he still president?

                    laughing
                  4. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 15 January 2020 02: 45
                    +3
                    Quote: Svarog
                    And why then is he still president?

                    Why is the Queen of England? ...
                2. polar fox
                  polar fox 14 January 2020 21: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: ltc35
                  a head who can speak well on a box and in an external field.

                  Yes, that lately he has given Chernomyrdin and Klitschko a head start ...
                3. Kazbek
                  Kazbek 14 January 2020 21: 53
                  +3
                  You forgot to add "infa sotochka" at the end !!! laughing
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 23: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Kazbek
                    You forgot to add "infa sotochka" at the end !!!

                    Heel, not a heel. feel
              4. smart ass
                smart ass 14 January 2020 21: 45
                0
                Better let the ears be removed than the people in gray will come to you
          3. Machito
            Machito 15 January 2020 02: 16
            0
            The government once again stuttered people with pensions. The next stage is to raise the retirement age to 70-80 years, it is better to immediately 100: work, work so laughing
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 14 January 2020 18: 57
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Earlier it was assumed that the system of new pensions "old age" will work from January 2021. But now it turns out that the government has not yet prepared a "high-quality and legally correct document."

        Really didn’t understand yet .. that they just threw everyone .. Stalin is so short of such a government ..

        Judging by the many comments, they either don’t want to understand or even put it on their heads, anyway, everything is better with us all.
      3. GKS 2111
        GKS 2111 14 January 2020 19: 00
        +23
        .
        Quote: Svarog
        Stalin is not enough for such a government ..

        The government lives in parallel reality ... Where everyone is happy! And who is not very advised to hold on and wish you a good mood ... Thank you, Medvedev, for our bright, and most importantly, a secure future! We live well, just don’t know about it ...
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 14 January 2020 19: 11
          +7
          The State Duma says that if the government itself does not work out the document, then representatives of the deputy corps can take on this work.

          Or can this thing be entrusted to ordinary pensioners? And then the deputies with their sky-high pensions, I am afraid, will deprive us of this meager pension!
        2. Dmitry Donskoy
          Dmitry Donskoy 14 January 2020 19: 15
          +3
          Well, maybe tomorrow at the message of the Federal Assembly, the GDP will say something about it. It seems like the whole message will be exclusively about improving living standards and avoiding poverty. request
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 14 January 2020 19: 41
            +12
            Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
            Well, maybe tomorrow at the message of the Federal Assembly, the GDP will say something about it. It seems like the whole message will be exclusively about improving living standards and avoiding poverty. request

            They will simply begin to exterminate the poor with special cynicism, but by "legal" methods. "Do you like the Christmas tree?"
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 14 January 2020 20: 20
              +5
              the poor will begin to exterminate with special cynicism, but "legal" methods.
              This is called the fight against poverty. Putin won’s not going to leave at 67. And the people want to retire at 60! Officials can work up to 70 years. Do you want to drive the leadership !? bully Or send Putin to retire at 70? recourse We have many actors who have been working for almost a hundred years! Tomorrow they can pass a law to allow officials to work up to 80. And what !? Will officials retire at 80, and subordinates at 60-65? Of course not! Retirement age will be pulled up to the age of officials. Matvienko is over 70 years old and she works, and is still crisp, and is not going to retire! Putin will turn 22 at age 70. Will he retire or move his retirement age? Or will he lead until the age of 72, and then go to the re-election? sad And after all, no one says that they are tired at work, that there is no strength! On the contrary! Nobody wants to leave! smile
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 21: 01
              -14
              Quote: Stroporez
              the poor will begin to exterminate with particular cynicism

              Something a lot of songs were spread, exaggerating the theme of the "poor".

              Especially someone "Sylvester" delivers, for example - in his words, a working pensioner, a surgeon (in his own words - a good surgeon) in a Moscow hospital. The poorest thing, you can't take away laughing

              I know this one personally, for example: an imvalid since childhood (I got hit by a car at the age of 14), a pension - 14, but every day it thumps in my mountain. Up to green snot, practically. And he also likes to talk not about the "poor" when the next check gets off me ... how are you guys all alike ... request
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 22: 01
                +1
                Heh, a good doctor, and especially a surgeon by specialization, is never hungry.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 23: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Heh, a good doctor, and especially a surgeon by specialization, is never hungry.

                  Judge by your wife?
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 15 January 2020 00: 29
                    -2
                    My wife is an endocrinologist. But judging by the salary, the specialist is not bad.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 00: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      But judging by the salary, the specialist is not bad.

                      Heh, but she doesn’t want to get into our hospital? Nurses are needed there. Their salaries were increased from 6 to 10 thousand rubles. True surcharges dropped by 80 percent. Lepota!
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 15 January 2020 00: 50
                        -3
                        Was it meaningful for my wife to study abroad (at her own expense, by the way) and defend her thesis in order to get into your hospital?
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 15 January 2020 00: 57
                        +7
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Was it meaningful for my wife to study abroad (at her own expense, by the way) and defend her thesis in order to get into your hospital?

                        Do not want your wife to work with ordinary people? How, then, to judge his life, if you look at it from the window of a car or a paid clinic?
                      3. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 15 January 2020 01: 10
                        0
                        She had already enough, at one time, worked in the Far North. Even had to carry her to Annushka for sanitary assignments. But life is a movement forward and upward.
                2. businessv
                  businessv 15 January 2020 11: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  a good doctor, much less a surgeon by specialization, is never hungry.

                  I agree with you! Moreover, any highly qualified specialist is never hungry! I don’t understand why your post is minus if this is a fact? Another thing is that none of us like that medicine is paid despite the fact that the Constitution declared free, but doctors have nothing to do with it!
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 14 January 2020 19: 58
            +8
            They are going to raise the standard of living. There are plans not to take income from a salary of 10 thousand and raise income from 13% to 16%.
            1. businessv
              businessv 15 January 2020 11: 07
              +1
              Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
              There are plans not to take income from a salary of 10 thousand and raise income from 13% to 16%.

              Very advanced plan, I must say! If this is done instead of abolishing income up to 15 thousand and introducing a progressive income, then again they will only confirm their stupidity and lack of professionalism!
          3. Chaldon48
            Chaldon48 14 January 2020 20: 16
            +10
            From poverty you can only go to the other world.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 January 2020 20: 29
              -15
              You can get out of poverty by pulling yourself together and finding another job or going about your business.
              1. ltc35
                ltc35 14 January 2020 20: 47
                +4
                You can take a few extra jobs and live well, then I agree. But, believe me, over the years this is not easy.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 15 January 2020 00: 06
                  +6
                  And the most interesting thing is that the sons of bandyuk, the robbers-occupiers of the people's socialist property, without spending a single second spending on activities useful to society, they leave a couple of millions in the tavern for the evening. Those that are missing, some comrades, to complete the house. laughing
                  The point is not poverty and not that a disabled person drinks bitter - social inequality is a disgusting vice of the capitalist jungle. It is impossible to build an ideal society, but there was no better Union in the 50s-80s in the history of mankind. And not some notorious "Swedish socialism" did not lie nearby.
          4. Ragoz
            Ragoz 14 January 2020 21: 01
            +6
            Dmitry Donskoy:
            Tomorrow will be voiced Russian Folk Tales or Fantasies on the topic ....
          5. New Year day
            New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 29
            +3
            Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
            Well, maybe tomorrow at the message of the Federal Assembly, the GDP will say something about it.

            of course he will say, He speaks a lot, but to no avail

            How are gas prices?

            laughing
        3. Mcar
          Mcar 14 January 2020 19: 22
          +9
          Quote: GKS 2111
          The government lives in parallel reality ...

        4. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 14 January 2020 19: 42
          +9
          Quote: GKS 2111
          Thank you, Medvedev, for our cloudless, and most importantly - a secure future! We live well, just don’t know about it ...

          And someone asked to treat this with understanding.
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        6. Kazbek
          Kazbek 14 January 2020 23: 01
          -5
          It became really interesting how you live. A small abandoned town in the Vorkuta region, working as a system administrator in a company selling Chinese socks at discounted prices. The apartment is in a barracks wooden house of Stalin-era construction. Grandfather Zaporozhets. A fat, flabby wife, a three-way son. Salary of 9 thousand, installment in installments from 2015. Buckwheat for breakfast / lunch / dinner. The neighbor is an alcoholic with whom you are repairing Grandfather's Constipation over the weekend. And yesterday you went to the store and found out that the potato went up by 13 cents, and that was the last straw ..!
          Did I describe everything correctly? laughing
      4. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 30
        -2
        Under Stalin, by the way, certain categories of citizens: collective farmers, cooperators, individuals, did not receive pensions from the word "at all"
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 January 2020 19: 35
          +19
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Under Stalin, by the way, certain categories of citizens: collective farmers, cooperators, individuals, did not receive pensions from the word "at all"

          So win three wars and try to create a backlog 100 years ahead .. without any resources at all .. compared to today .. If there was a war today, with this government .. one hundred percent would lose, and then three wars was .. and in such, in relation to that period, greenhouse conditions, we are degrading in all respects .. does this bother you?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 January 2020 20: 47
            -12
            None of which are similar to those wars since then there will be no more from 1913 to 1945 and will be similar to a Ukrainian or Syrian company - losing by definition is excluded by definition, and as for pensions, the promised national average of 24000 rubles until 2024 is unrealistic since it will have to double the revenues of the FIU , every year - at what expense do not take an additional 7 trillion rubles from the air, as long as there is an accumulatively distributive pension system of good pensions, those who pay taxes honestly do not have to wait, we need an individual system, how much you paid so much to the Pension Fund, you can create an individual accumulatively a pension account in a state bank at 10% per annum under state guarantees.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 14 January 2020 20: 49
              +9
              Quote: Vadim237
              7 trillion rubles from the air do not take

              Only the state’s monopoly on sleeps will give 8 trillion .. rubles .. what are you talking about? Or to produce alcohol of the mind much is needed?
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 14 January 2020 22: 03
                -2
                Or to produce alcohol of the mind much is needed?

                It turns out that even the "rowers" do not have enough intelligence for this .. And distilleries, which have already been destroyed, are also needed. And grain, which is fugged for export in rows of trucks and compositions, and in such volumes that fodder goes for bread, and nothing remains for feed. And in the return line there are mixed feed from waste and Chinese alcohol, sorry, from shit.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 14 January 2020 22: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: lexus
                  It turns out that even the "rowers" do not have enough intelligence for this ..

                  In fact, they have enough mind .. it's just that everything is according to the concepts and is divided into spheres of influence .. alcohol is a serious business ..
                  and Chinese alcohol, sorry, out of shit.

                  from oil .. and our ours .. now there is a lot of alcohol from oil .. it's tin of course ..
                  1. Kazbek
                    Kazbek 14 January 2020 23: 30
                    +5
                    Do not trifle! Alcohol from the gas !!!
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 14 January 2020 22: 21
                  0
                  Cattle are not fed with one grain. A mixed feed in Russia is already producing dofiga.
                3. Kazbek
                  Kazbek 14 January 2020 23: 27
                  +3
                  What are you talking about ???
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 January 2020 22: 19
                -3
                "Only the state monopoly on sleeping will give 8 trillion rubles .. what are you talking about?" You probably confused Russia with China for the production of alcohol, and even then this is how many million tons of alcohol must be produced per year and sold - so that the state has 8 trillion rubles of net profit left. Vladimir - do not write garbage.
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 14 January 2020 21: 32
              +10
              Quote: Vadim237
              with regard to pensions, the promised national average of 24000 rubles until 2024 is unrealizable since it is necessary to double the revenues of the FIU, each year - at the expense of which funds do not take an additional 7 trillion rubles from the air,
              Why can't the state subsidize the pension fund at the expense of the super-profit received? If the annual budget is calculated from the price of $ 40 per barrel, and it is traded for $ 65, then 25 goes into a surplus. But this money is sent to the NWF bypassing the fate of being directed to the internal needs of the country and its people. The fund is packed to capacity. The IMF recommends limiting its filling at 7% of GDP, and all that is higher should be invested in "reliable securities" of "correct" states. I'm not an economist, but something suggests that by pouring 7 trillion into pensioners, the state will increase their purchasing power by the same 7 trillion. which they will take to pharmacies and shops, moving the economy by the same 7 trillion by increasing sales, which in turn will increase tax revenues to the budget. No? Is not it? winked request
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 14 January 2020 21: 50
                +5
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                I am not an economist, but something tells me that by pouring 7 trillion into pensioners, the state will increase their purchasing power by the same 7 trillion. which they will take to pharmacies and shops, stirring the economy by the same 7 trillion, increasing sales, which in turn will increase tax revenues to the budget. No? Is not it?

                Of course so .. you are absolutely right .. There is no need to reinvent the wheel, for some reason our "partners" in the crisis are doing exactly this .. trying to increase salaries, pensions, benefits .. because they understand that this is what will lead to business development and jobs .. But our "economists" for some reason have a different opinion.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 14 January 2020 22: 02
                  +6
                  Quote: Svarog
                  But our "economists" for some reason have a different opinion.

                  Maybe they are not economists at all? recourse angry
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 14 January 2020 22: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Quote: Svarog
                    But our "economists" for some reason have a different opinion.

                    Maybe they are not economists at all? recourse angry

                    I suspect that yes .. - balancers ..
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 22: 10
                    -2
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Maybe they are not economists at all?

                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    I am not an economist ...

                    Um what
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 14 January 2020 22: 15
                      +5
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Maybe they are not economists at all?

                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      I am not an economist ...

                      Um

                      Golovan .. everything is simple here, you don't even need to be an economist, you just need to be observant and study the experience of "partners" .. Isn't that what they do in crisis situations?
                    2. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 14 January 2020 22: 18
                      +6
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Um

                      Yes Golovan Jack hiThere is some controversy! laughing But compared to them, I'm definitely not an economist yes
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2020 22: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky

                        Nothing personal, I just liked the phrase hi
                  3. New Year day
                    New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Maybe they are not economists at all?

                    they are managers and, I believe, baselaughing laughing
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 January 2020 22: 24
                -3
                "Why can't the state subsidize the pension fund at the expense of the super-profits it receives?" Probably because from this year, this money will go to the implementation of national projects - pensions are far from the only problem in Russia.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  this money will go to the implementation of national projects

                  how with their execution?
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 15 January 2020 18: 41
                    +2
                    One example of a school for 2500 children
                    - national projects are being implemented, and there are risks everywhere and always will be.
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 15 January 2020 00: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Probably because this year, this money will go towards the implementation of national projects - pensions are far from the only problem in Russia.

                  The Accounts Chamber analyzed the implementation of eight of 13 national projects according to the reports for the 10 months of 2019 and concluded that at least half of them contain risks of complete or partial failure to fulfill the stated goals and indicators.
                  Earlier, the head of the Accounts Chamber Alexei Kudrin had already warned that in their current form national projects would not lead to breakthrough economic growth and its qualitative transformation, but the president for the most part did not agree.
              3. New Year day
                New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 35
                +3
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                I am not an economist, but something tells me that by pouring 7 trillion into pensioners, the state will increase their purchasing power by the same 7 trillion. which they will take to pharmacies and shops, stirring the economy by the same 7 trillion, increasing sales, which in turn will increase tax revenues to the budget. No? Is not it?

                Exactly! hi
                But our government is fighting inflation and believes that the path you have indicated will increase inflation. Therefore, the entire development of the economy Medvedev has reduced to the collection of taxes.
                Meanwhile, over 800 car dealerships were liquidated last year, the sale of shoes and clothes crashed by 4%, and demand for household items fell sharply.
        2. Tank hard
          Tank hard 14 January 2020 19: 45
          +8
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Under Stalin, by the way, certain categories of citizens: collective farmers, cooperators, individuals, did not receive pensions from the word "at all"

          Under some kings of the Republic of Ingushetia, "collective farmers" in general, were sold and presented as cattle. They had a nickname - "serfs". Varlam Shalamov was once told that times had changed, to which he replied that people are still the same (they say) ... request
        3. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 14 January 2020 21: 42
          +5
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Under Stalin, by the way, certain categories of citizens: collective farmers, cooperators, individuals, did not receive pensions from the word "at all"

          And under Ivan the Terrible, so generally they plowed plow and did not eat potatoes.
          And as for pensions, it's like someone. 12 tons are enough for someone, even though they dream of at least 20 tons. And for some, 50 tons are not enough, so 100 tons will not be enough.
          = ... that indexation of pensions will become a constant and tangible phenomenon - such that in a few years, average pensions will overcome the barrier of 20 thousand rubles. = Hooray !!
          Well, who wrote this nonsense? He doesn’t really understand that the standard of living of a pensioner, and not only him, depends not only on the size of the pension (salary), but also on the cost of housing and communal services, food prices, basic necessities and daily expenses? We must remember inflation, but not rub our glasses.
          When a pension is indexed to the inflation rate, this does not mean that it is raised. She remains at the same level of purchasing power. But this is a rarity unknown to us. Basically, the level of purchasing power falls despite the indexation.
        4. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 January 2020 21: 56
          +2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          certain categories of citizens: collective farmers, cooperators, individuals, did not receive pensions from the word "at all"

          Of course, they had their own fund.
        5. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 14 January 2020 23: 04
          +7
          It was under Stalin that pension legislation appeared, which was not in the Russian Empire. And March 6, 1930 was adopted. By disability;
          On the occasion of the loss of the breadwinner, usually three quarters of the breadwinner’s earnings, but more have happened;
          By old age. The collective farmers gave pensions to the collective farm. Like money. and in kind. At least 2% of the collective farm's gross output was allocated in retirement. The cooperatives provided their members with loans for the purchase of livestock, tools and equipment, and housing construction. This state of affairs continued until 1956, when the artel was officially banned and dispersed for several years. On the eve of the war in the USSR, there were more than 3,5 million individual farms. In the difficult post-war years, the development of artels was considered the most important state task.
        6. New Year day
          New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 30
          +4
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Under Stalin, by the way, certain categories of citizens: collective farmers, cooperators, individuals, did not receive pensions from the word "at all"

          and under Stalin they didn’t steal so much that even Kudrin cannot count the stolen
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 January 2020 20: 49
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        Really didn’t understand yet .. that they just threw everyone ..

        The government failed to prepare a document. What did they do? Take and disperse such a government. Put others to work. They will not work to disperse until they begin to work.
      6. paul3390
        paul3390 14 January 2020 21: 31
        +2
        Rather, Comrade Beria .. But in general - looking at them, you understand, here, however, without the Holy Inquisition, Beria will not be able to cope. Too many ghouls ..
      7. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 15 January 2020 04: 51
        -3
        so become this Stalin ... otherwise you just whine, a little child offended by snot
      8. volodimer
        volodimer 15 January 2020 18: 54
        0
        Stalin is not enough for such a government ..
        On the country .. not enough, but what to do with such a government ...
    2. 4ekist
      4ekist 14 January 2020 19: 15
      +16
      PENSIONER, remember that every year you lived is a DAMAGE TO THE STATE. It turns out somehow.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 January 2020 19: 39
      +9
      Quote: GKS 2111
      the law on new pensions in the plans of the government of Medvedev does not appear
      They wait until they die out ..

      Namely, they wait .... and if the settlers are still silent, then they will wait, without fail.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 14 January 2020 22: 12
        +1
        Namely, they are waiting ....

        It is not true, the "process" is being accelerated in every possible way. A little more, and they will finish off, like driven horses.
  2. figwam
    figwam 14 January 2020 18: 38
    -1
    I think while there is a transitional period, there will be no significant increase in pensions.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 January 2020 18: 41
      +22
      Quote: figvam
      I think while there is a transitional period, there will be no significant increase in pensions.

      We have been going through a transitional period for 30 years .. don’t you think that it has somehow dragged on?
      1. figwam
        figwam 14 January 2020 19: 14
        -15
        Quote: Svarog
        We have a transitional period of 30 years

        The transition period began from last year and will last 10 years.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 14 January 2020 19: 35
          +13
          Quote: figvam
          The transition period began from last year and will last 10 years.

          And until last year, where were you going? Where do we go from where we were going, reported? lol Towards a bright bourgeois future, is it that in paradise or something that Putin was chasing? laughing
          1. figwam
            figwam 14 January 2020 19: 45
            +2
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            And until last year, where were you going?

            Apparently to the right of the sun, along the rows of corn.
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 14 January 2020 19: 52
              +7
              Quote: figvam
              Apparently to the right of the sun, along the rows of corn.

              And I think that we’re driving it the wrong way. It turns out that this is who is to blame, it's Khrushchev, he brought corn from America! laughing
              And Putin is all Lenin, Lenin ...
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 45
                +4
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                And Putin is all Lenin, Lenin ...

                no, soon he will get to Nicholas II-because of his war, the birth rate in Russia will not be restored
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 14 January 2020 23: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  no, soon he will get to Nicholas II-because of his war, the birth rate in Russia will not be restored

                  Well, then you have to go straight to the roots, to Ivan the Terrible and Peter I. lol They blew it up as they were born, chopping off the little heads of thieves, embezzlers, and "oppositionists". laughing
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: Sovetskiy
                    Well, then you have to go straight to the roots, to Ivan the Terrible and Peter I.

                    we’ll have to wait, I still haven’t figured it out with Nikolasha laughing
                    1. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 15 January 2020 00: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      Well, then you have to go straight to the roots, to Ivan the Terrible and Peter I.

                      we’ll have to wait, I still haven’t figured it out with Nikolasha laughing

                      His ROC ranked among the saints. His down! wink Insulting believers will "smell".
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 January 2020 20: 51
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        We have been going through a transitional period for 30 years .. don’t you think that it has somehow dragged on?

        We have nothing more permanent than temporary.
    2. businessv
      businessv 14 January 2020 19: 25
      +11
      Quote: figvam
      I think while there is a transitional period, there will be no significant increase in pensions.

      laughing Funny however! From what and where are we moving this time, colleague? If you mean a change in the retirement age, then the Law governing it should have described in detail not only the reasons for which it is adopted, but also the mechanisms for the subsequent work of the FIU, including its filling. If none of this exists yet, then such a Law is worthless.
      1. figwam
        figwam 14 January 2020 19: 47
        -5
        Quote: businessv
        If you mean a change in retirement age

        Exactly...
        Quote: businessv
        If none of this exists yet, then such a Law is worthless.

        Correctly..
        From January 1 of each year + 1000 rubles. to retirement.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 14 January 2020 20: 52
          +6
          Quote: figvam
          From January 1 of each year + 1000 rubles. to retirement.

          To dream is not harmful.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 47
          +5
          Quote: figvam
          From January 1 of each year + 1000 rubles. to retirement.

    3. RwFanat_Kirov
      RwFanat_Kirov 14 January 2020 20: 14
      +5
      Do you believe it yourself?
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 43
      +6
      Quote: figvam
      ... there is a transition period

      where do we go or what?
      Maybe we are not going there?
  3. Theodore
    Theodore 14 January 2020 18: 38
    +7
    He has long said: There is no money! Who wants to - hold on! And good mood to you all ... fool
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 January 2020 18: 41
      +12
      Quote: Theodore
      He has long said: There is no money! Who wants to - hold on! And good mood to you all ... fool

      Yes, but let the teachers go to business .. who does not have enough money ..
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 January 2020 18: 42
    -3
    I have such a wonderful tool in my working arsenal. Google at your leisure if you don’t know. It’s called "Rotate" From the 32nd armature. If you get it beyond the limit. I have to use it for other purposes. I said everything. amYou just got tired.
  5. serg. 75
    serg. 75 14 January 2020 18: 43
    +13
    From each hard worker they tear 20% to the pension fund. And few will survive to retirement, it’s a shame ...
    1. Den717
      Den717 14 January 2020 20: 03
      -8
      Quote: serg.75
      From each hard worker they tear 20% to the pension fund.

      And in the pay slip you will be able to show where your (our) 20% hid there?
    2. Kazbek
      Kazbek 14 January 2020 20: 33
      -12
      Do you want to collect all the whiners in VO in one place? Post an article about Medvedev / Putin / retirement age / VAT / etc. And here they are! All, as one, unhappy! All, as one, robbed! All, as one, the last "cheese" without salt eating up! None of them ask why they should post THIS on VO at all. All have almost general's shoulder straps ( laughing ), while full infantiles! Shame !!! laughing crying
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 14 January 2020 20: 58
        +5
        Quote: Kazbek
        And here they are! All, as one, unhappy! All, as one, robbed! All, as one, the last "cheese" without salt eating up!

        And what has already been canceled the freezing of the funded part? Am I missing something? Or are pensioners rolling around like butter, don’t jackal in garbage cans, don’t fight with an outstretched hand?
        Quote: Kazbek
        The question is, why should IT be posted to VO at all, none of them are asking. All shoulder straps are almost generals (), while full infantiles! Shame !!!

        The resource visited, why not post. And these ranks, dear Kazbek, are funny and worthless. It is strange that you are so harsh not an infantile man, but you don’t understand simple things.
        1. Kazbek
          Kazbek 14 January 2020 21: 44
          +4
          Or are pensioners rolling around like butter, don’t jackal in garbage cans, don’t fight with an outstretched hand?


          I do not know. My mother, 72 years old, is nowhere "jackalit" and does not beg. They eat normally, meat, fish, chicken, vegetables - everything is there. For two with their stepfather, they have 36 tr. The rent in the winter is about 6 tr.
          Do you have any relatives / acquaintances "jackalit" in the trash heaps? Or maybe you are doing this? With a laptop under your arm? laughing
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 00: 03
            -1
            Quote: Kazbek
            My mother, 72 years old, is nowhere "jackalit" and does not beg. They eat normally, meat, fish, chicken, vegetables - everything is there. For two with their stepfather, they have 36 tr. The rent in the winter is about 6 tr.

            My bati (73 years old, a hero of labor), has a pension of 13 thousand. He gives half for housing and communal services. What is rent in winter? And how is it different from summer?
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 02: 40
              +2
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              pension - 13 thousand. He gives half for housing and communal services.

              then it’s time for you to stop here in permanent mode to rivet your comments with various legends, and help your father arrange benefits ... at least for the fact that more than 23% is spent on housing and communal services !!
              I'm already silent about .....
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Hero of Labor

              the highest rank, providing for a bunch of benefits !!!
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 02: 22
            +2
            Quote: Kazbek
            With a laptop armpit?

            lol set off !!! laughing good
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 21: 54
          +3
          Something did not notice the pensioners jacking around in garbage dumps. I saw in the trash of alcoholics of retirement age. And with an outstretched hand, I’ll tell you a secret, they earn more than the national average; the territories of professional beggars have long been divided.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 04: 07
            -1
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Something did not notice the pensioners jacking around in garbage dumps.

            Okay, take a picture of something. Especially for you.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 January 2020 20: 54
      -2
      Quote: serg.75
      From each hard worker they tear 20% to the pension fund.

      Is it besides taxes, or all together?
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 22: 48
      -1
      Not with hard workers, but with the employer. Or do you personally pay to the FIU?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 15 January 2020 04: 03
        -2
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Not with hard workers, but with the employer. Or do you personally pay to the FIU?

        Does production profit itself arise? These funds (22%), which the employer pays to the PF from where, do not tell? Surely - personal savings ... lol
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 04: 12
          -3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          These funds (22%), which the employer pays to the PF from where, do not tell?

          He takes it out of his pocket. He is an employer, quiet him to the left ... laughing
  6. sergo1914
    sergo1914 14 January 2020 18: 43
    +6
    Now even the age of marriage will be adjusted - and we will live!
  7. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 14 January 2020 18: 48
    +13
    I will look forward to turning on the TV, waiting for the broadcast of the ballet.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 18: 54
      -7
      Are you not afraid that after the broadcast of "Swan Lake" there will be no pensions from the word "at all"?
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 14 January 2020 18: 58
        +9
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Are you not afraid that after the broadcast of "Swan Lake" there will be no pensions from the word "at all"?

        Are you still hoping for something !?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 09
          +3
          Only on himself. There is a custom in Russia: do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask.
      2. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 14 January 2020 19: 03
        +10
        It is on this fear that they always try to leave: "The main thing is that there is no war, are you not afraid without pensions? Look how bad they live there." Doesn't work anymore.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 11
          -5
          Doesn't work until we step on the same rake again. Shouted "Down with Gorbachev" Yeltsin came, everyone felt better.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 January 2020 20: 54
            0
            "Shouted" Down with Gorbachev "Yeltsin came, everyone felt better." - And then we got a little shit.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 00: 06
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              And then crap crap.

              Willingly I believe. How old were you at that time, Vadik?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 15 January 2020 18: 45
                +3
                At least I did not "swim" in this sump - you all swam there together Gorbachev Ura Yeltsin Ura.
          2. Kazbek
            Kazbek 14 January 2020 21: 50
            -4
            Judging by the estimates for your (and my) comments, there are not enough adequate under such articles. Some mothers are revolutionaries, emo Marxists and eternal losers, scribbling from the 486s. laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 January 2020 22: 30
              -9
              Some sort of neutralizers of capitalism and all that is connected with it - internal grievances have been playing in them for 30 years, that communism has shouted with deafening crash, together with the USSR.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 15 January 2020 00: 54
                -2
                Hard for them without a guide. For 30 years they can’t understand in any way that the nannies are no more.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 00: 08
              0
              Quote: Kazbek
              under such articles there are few adequate.

              Tpruu, Kazbek! Are you adequate?
            3. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 02: 54
              +5
              Quote: Kazbek
              under such articles

              you are wrong ... this is almost everywhere !!! wink if the article is about "military men", then there is either a minimum of comments due to the practically absence of normal experts, or a comment at the beginning about "bloody ryzhYme", and then already from this comment gai-gui like mulberries in the comments !!! laughing
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 January 2020 16: 44
              +1
              And not just losers, but losers in a cube.
      3. fif21
        fif21 14 January 2020 19: 12
        +9
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Are you not afraid that after the broadcast of "Swan Lake" there will be no pensions from the word "at all"?

        Even Lenin said that the proletariat has nothing to lose but their chains! And those pennies that do not allow you to die of hunger and lose are not scary. And God himself commanded to take the stolen and appropriated by a handful of "effective managers". hi
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 21
          -15
          Take and share? Last time it ended in a civil war. Yeah, hunger and devastation. Well, how will these apartments appeal to these very proletarians? Or consider your car necessary for the needs of the revolution?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 January 2020 19: 32
            +10
            Take and share? Last time it was hunger and devastation. Well, how will these apartments appeal to these very proletarians? Or consider your car necessary for the needs of the revolution?
            Fiercely plus, as you correctly described 90s. They took it and divided it among themselves. And the factories and collective farms took away the apartments
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 34
              -15
              Was your apartment owned by the USSR? Or maybe you were a workshop worker and had your own production? Maybe you owned the land? So what was taken from you? It’s impossible to rob a beggar.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 14 January 2020 19: 42
                +11
                impossible
                Ah, Andrey, plus or minus dishonest exchange. In the Union, everyone had everything. But the fact that a year ago, by the grace of officials, turned out to be unemployed is the truth of life, but dodged, just want to live, not survive.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 49
                  -8
                  In the Union, everything belonged to the state, but not to the people. Drove
                  the state is also not a people, but a narrow circle of partocrats who were not even elected by the people. And what about the fact that everything was in the USSR? Elementary and that was in line, a lengthy line. And I didn’t minus you.
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 14 January 2020 19: 52
                +4
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Was your apartment owned by the USSR?

                In the USSR there was no property, as well as prostitution, etc. feel
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 54
                  -11
                  There was no property, but they squealed that they had been taken from them. It is impossible to take away what was not.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 14 January 2020 19: 56
                    +12
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    There was no property, but they squealed that they had been taken from them. It is impossible to take away what was not

                    However, some former communists came up with vouchers and took away the country from the people ... feel
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 19: 59
                      -14
                      Communists are not former, as are alcoholics. The country, by the way, also belonged not to the people, but to these very Communists.
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 14 January 2020 20: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Communists are not former, as are alcoholics

                        Now they will prove to you how cruelly mistaken you are. laughing
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                2. sledak
                  sledak 14 January 2020 20: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Was your apartment owned by the USSR?

                  In the USSR there was no property, as well as prostitution, etc. feel

                  How was prostitution not? belay
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 14 January 2020 20: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: sledak
                    How was prostitution not?

                    That's how!

                    There could be no prostitution in the USSR, and since they said so, it didn’t exist! angry
                    1. sledak
                      sledak 14 January 2020 20: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Quote: sledak
                      How was prostitution not?

                      That's how!

                      There could be no prostitution in the USSR, and since they said so, it didn’t exist! angry


                      Tin, and with whom then did I learn all the delights of big sex for money? feel
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 14 January 2020 20: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: sledak
                        Tin, and with whom then did I learn all the delights of big sex for money?

                        And there was no sex in the USSR either! wink Forgot already?
                      2. sledak
                        sledak 14 January 2020 23: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: sledak
                        Tin, and with whom then did I learn all the delights of big sex for money?

                        And there was no sex in the USSR either! wink Forgot already?


                        Hmm ... I forgot to see ... Well, at least there was a Komsomol?
                        I will not part with the Komsomol, I will be forever young!
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 00: 18
                        +5
                        Quote: sledak
                        I will not part with the Komsomol, I will be forever young!

                        Steamboats are coming - glory to the heroes!
                        Airplanes are flying - glory to the heroes!
                        And the trail will pass - only shit ...
              3. SOVIET UNION 2
                SOVIET UNION 2 14 January 2020 23: 17
                +4
                And whose apartment in a mortgage is whose property? A loan machine whose property? Thanks to loans, you already get trash in the property!
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 14 January 2020 23: 51
                  -1
                  Well, I bought my apartment not on a mortgage, but on a secondary. With the Union, I could only dream about it. Yes, and my car is not credit. Own, own. Yes, do not forget that in Soviet times, loans for the purchase of a car were not issued at all.
        2. Oleg1263
          Oleg1263 14 January 2020 19: 29
          +4
          "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They will gain the whole world!"

          The phrase is from the “Manifesto of the Communist Party” (1848), written by Karl Marx (1818–18.83) and Friedrich Engels (1820–1895).
          What does Lenin have to do with it?
      4. Tank hard
        Tank hard 14 January 2020 19: 51
        +5
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Are you not afraid that after the broadcast of "Swan Lake" there will be no pensions from the word "at all"?

        Here a couple of laws can soon be passed, after the adoption of which (if they accept, the final one), the population of the country can be reduced from the word you wrote ...
      5. Kazbek
        Kazbek 14 January 2020 21: 46
        +3
        And this is Mamkin rivals! He will give up first! laughing laughing laughing
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  9. Losharik
    Losharik 14 January 2020 18: 50
    +1
    Today, the RBC portal reported

    Well, they know how to hysteria ..
    Here the question of the survival of the Russian state is already ..
    And we’ll always find money in retirement, even if you have to fight .. so don’t worry the neoliberals, you’ll be shocked in a pinch laughing
    And then you look at us fattened and so worried about the Russian people that the muzzle in the TV can not fit .. negative Although you are all losing weight and go to fitness)))))
  10. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 14 January 2020 18: 50
    +24
    But today, the French government has retreated in front of the striking French and generally abandoned the pension reform, which curtailed the rights of workers. Congratulations to the French and their national strike. Banking child Macron received in the face.
    1. Po-tzan
      Po-tzan 14 January 2020 18: 56
      -3
      The French are geyropeyskih national traitors. Instead of rallying around the national leader and tolerating, they thought up the Maidan, Herods.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 14 January 2020 18: 56
      +10
      How was it in the primer? * We are not slaves, we are not slaves. *?
      1. fif21
        fif21 14 January 2020 19: 03
        +8
        Quote: Phil77
        How was it in the primer? * We are not slaves, we are not slaves. *?

        In the Soviet alphabet was wink Who we all know now, just shy to say! wassat
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 14 January 2020 19: 05
          -2
          Well, it's temporary! While shy !!! am
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 14 January 2020 21: 24
          +5
          Quote: fif21
          Quote: Phil77
          How was it in the primer? * We are not slaves, we are not slaves. *?

          In the Soviet alphabet was wink Who we all know now, just shy to say! wassat

          Zhirik is not shy, but directly says "slaves and serfs."
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 14 January 2020 19: 15
        +7
        The government no longer knows how else to "do good" to the Russians. Well, for example, from the latter:
        Moscow. January 14. INTERFAX.RU - The government of the Russian Federation intends to submit a bill to the State Duma next fall, which proposes to exempt enterprises that hire migrants from scheduled inspections, the Izvestia newspaper reported on Tuesday.

        "Amendments providing for the refusal to conduct scheduled inspections of individual entrepreneurs and legal entities in the implementation of federal state control in the field of migration, the Ministry of Internal Affairs should submit in June. This is stated in the plan of the government's legislative activities for 2020. According to it, in September the document is planned to be submitted for consideration by the State Duma, "the publication says.

        The Cabinet of Ministers believes that legislative innovation will contribute to the economic growth of the state.

        Well, so as not to "irritate" migrants and their employers, migrants are so beneficial to the state and "patriotically oriented business".
        Speaking of "business", how do you like this:
        With the introduction of mandatory marking and the abolition of the single imputed income tax (UTII) for many entrepreneurs, tax deductions will grow by 7-10 times in 2020. According to market participants, in Primorye this will lead to a mass exodus of small and micro business from retail sales. The first wave has already begun, experts say. Businesses are shutting down - shops, boutiques and pavilions are closing. So far, only pharmacies have chances to not suffer as a result of the tax reform - a bill is being considered by the Primorye administration that provides for reducing the rates on the simplified taxation system (STS) from 6 to 1% for drug trade, reports IA PrimaMedia.

        https://primamedia.ru/news/896389/
        since 2021, UTII have been canceled by everyone else.
        + In some regions, UTII has been canceled by everyone already, from this year.
        and from the age of 24 they introduce the marking of everything and everything.
        On the profile forum, the consequences of this "innovation" are explained something like this:
        Food retail will suffer. AMT provides examples to support this conclusion. Let's say a convenience store sells everyday food products. The area of ​​the shopping facility is 20 sq. meters are subject to UTII. Total sales revenue for 12 months is 7,6 million rubles, total expenses - 7 million, respectively, profit before taxes - 600 thousand. Applying the special tax regime of UTII, the store pays 43 thousand tax per area per year, taking into account all taxes and contributions from it 521,6 thousand profit remains. Applying the simplified tax system, it was calculated at AMT that he will pay 181,3 thousand taxes and fees per year and about 240 thousand rubles will be required to pay for the work of an accountant. The store’s profit will decrease to 178,6 thousand per year. On DOS, it will go to minus altogether.
        profit of 15 thousand per month. from the sales.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 14 January 2020 19: 45
          +9
          You know. The Rubicon was the so-called * pension reform *, there were no violent performances (at least many thousands!), And they understood. You can! Everything that comes into their * reformed * brains can be. But it could have been, everything could have been different! But ... Apathy? Pofigizm? Everything went to steam, to the Internet. Well and timid rallies. All! Curtain.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 52
            +4
            Quote: Phil77
            the so-called * pension reform *, there were no violent performances / at least many thousands! /, and they understood.

            nobody canceled the laws of dialectics: quantity always goes into quality, like yeast into moonshine! laughing
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 January 2020 19: 55
      +3
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      But today, the French government has retreated in front of the striking French and generally abandoned the pension reform, which curtailed the rights of workers. Congratulations to the French and their national strike. Banking child Macron received in the face.

      Sharia is possible there soon and
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      got in the face.

      may be different ... feel
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 January 2020 00: 21
        +2
        Quote: Tank Hard
        may be different ...

        And who?
  11. Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 14 January 2020 19: 02
    +6
    horses on the crossing do not change. "And the" crossing ", apparently, protracted. - I just want to say the words from the song" horses a little slowly, a little slow "!!!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 53
      +4
      Quote: Sergey 23
      horses on the ferry do not change "

      so horses! And if the crossing is not horses, but donkeys?
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 16 January 2020 08: 45
        +2
        so horses! And if the crossing is not horses, but donkeys? ........ GMO boldly strides the planet. donkeys can be verbally at the crossing and wolves inside donkeys, yet the Trojan horse has been steering for so many centuries
  12. tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 January 2020 19: 02
    +5
    They are already delaying their retirement in the 90s. Insolent in the end. This Pension Fund is an incomprehensible organization for transferring money from the pockets of the poor to the pocket of the rich.
  13. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 14 January 2020 19: 08
    -2
    Putin #Medvedev # together # well-being
  14. Eduard petrov
    Eduard petrov 14 January 2020 19: 16
    -10
    Putin must be given more work; he does a lot for the country.
  15. Romka
    Romka 14 January 2020 19: 19
    +11
    I watch TV slowly losing ground to the refrigerator. We need more reports about Ukraine, well, about Poland there, of course, we won’t forget the Anglo-Saxons, but the most important thing: the growing US foreign debt and the quick death of the dollar.
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          1. New Year day
            New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 55
            +4
            Quote: Kazbek
            From senior officers to junior sergeants, then to sergeants, then to senior sergeants and vice versa! Licks on uniform and fly !!!

            little nothings of life. It is possible from the marshal to the private and back. Bad is the soldier who does not dream of becoming a general laughing
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 15 January 2020 07: 48
            +1
            Quote: Kazbek
            From senior officers to junior sergeants, then to sergeants, then to senior sergeants and vice versa!

            And the chief officer is the senior sergeant. The only difference is that one is in the fleet and the other is in the ground units. feel
          3. Romka
            Romka 15 January 2020 08: 38
            -2
            Rosneft's herald is Misha Leontyev. Personal secretary so to speak.
  16. businessv
    businessv 14 January 2020 19: 20
    +4
    The State Duma says that if the government itself does not work out the document, then representatives of the deputy corps can take on this work.

    Yeah, if the tractor drivers can’t do anything, we’ll ask the sappers! What good fellows, really ?! The main thing is that no one recognizes the lack of brains! There are no normal specialists in the government, it is time to recognize and dissolve these brainless bureaucrats on all four sides, headed by their leader! Just one small step to the welfare of the country, and our GDP is still not going to do it! Lee Kuan Yu to help him! Sooner or later, it will still have to be undertaken if they do not want to get a civil war.
  17. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 14 January 2020 19: 20
    +8
    Honestly, I personally now sleep peacefully (in this regard).
    From work, we will be taken straight to the "hill". As our welder says - old Rudolph! Therefore, there is a pension / no pension ... It is unlikely that I will have to receive it. From this, its scale is of little concern.
    So, somewhere, somewhere, something is dripping into a certain FIU, it pleases in terms of complacency. Yes, and God be with him. winked
  18. fa2998
    fa2998 14 January 2020 20: 07
    +10
    Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
    Well, maybe tomorrow at the message of the Federal Assembly, the GDP will say something about it. It seems like the whole message will be exclusively about improving living standards and avoiding poverty. request

    Yes, tomorrow everything will be fine! They will hang noodles, how we can live well. With numbers, graphs, and dynamics.
    To defeat poverty (on average), you still need to create several tens of billionaires, and this will correct the situation. AVERAGE we will get over 50. laughing hi
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 14 January 2020 20: 19
      +5
      So, my friend, everything is fine with them! laughing Is this * a sight * worth our attention?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2020 21: 12
      -2
      Now new billionaires appear only in the trade and IT sphere.
  19. Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 January 2020 20: 08
    +8
    The main thing they have already muddied. They delayed the payment of pensions for a very significant part of the people for several years. The rest does not bother them, because the "reform" was carried out not to improve the life of pensioners, but in order to heal pension money. winked
  20. Korg
    Korg 14 January 2020 20: 10
    +1
    Simply, you need to endure a little ... by 2025 it will become easier))))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2020 21: 14
      -1
      "By 2025 will be easy" - Another global economic crisis will hit.
  21. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 14 January 2020 20: 15
    +12
    Medvedev’s government has long been dismissed ..
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    2. vanavatny
      vanavatny 14 January 2020 20: 29
      +7
      in the framework of Putin’s personnel policy, reminiscent of stirring a stick of shit in a toilet, it’s pointless, although it’s long overdue ...
  22. Kazbek
    Kazbek 14 January 2020 20: 21
    -5
    Can i ask you? Why on MILITARY REVIEW these articles? Srach breed? Collect bulkers? I see no other reason! This is a military site! This is not Echo Matzah! Stop already!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 14 January 2020 20: 29
      +6
      Honestly I don’t know, but I think, to expand the audience.
      Any sanctions, etc., etc. The dollar is jumping. And everyone wants to eat. Although, I could be wrong ...
      By the way, quite convenient. For example, I do not have leisure to climb sites, to seek out something.
      Then I looked! And you know what is happening in the world today. Very convenient to say.
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 14 January 2020 21: 07
      +8
      Quote: Kazbek
      Can i ask you? Why on MILITARY REVIEW these articles?

      You can answer. Any hard worker, including a military man, is interested in his own pension no less than tanks, guns and airplanes
      1. Kazbek
        Kazbek 14 January 2020 23: 04
        +1
        Do the military have pensions now? Seriously??
        1. Kazbek
          Kazbek 14 January 2020 23: 47
          +1
          I repeat the question to minusers: do the military have problems with pensions now? laughing

          PS My heart feels, this is the last day of Kazbek’s life in VO! From +1000 to -1000 in two hours! laughing laughing laughing Not just the bast stripped, but the shoulder straps tore off! SchA glove in the face snitch and in an eternal ban! Only whiners and Ukrainians will remain on the site! laughing crying
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 15 January 2020 18: 33
            +10
            Quote: Kazbek
            I repeat the question to minusers: do the military have problems with pensions now? laughing

            PS My heart feels, this is the last day of Kazbek’s life in VO! From +1000 to -1000 in two hours! laughing Not just the bast stripped, but the shoulder straps tore off! SchA glove in the face snitch and in an eternal ban! Only whiners and Ukrainians will remain on the site! laughing crying

            hi do not be afraid, buddy, break through wink
          2. Svarog51
            Svarog51 15 January 2020 19: 58
            +13
            Do not rush to conclusions, colleague, it is not so simple in this world and on the site. You can be disappointed at one point, and a long siege can be sustained and defeated - it’s worth it. Hold on Remember the parable of the frog in a barrel of milk? Never give up.
          3. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 16 January 2020 09: 02
            +2
            Not just the bast stripped, but the shoulder straps tore off! With a glove in the face ....., let’s break through, I have a penny rate of 14.500 (well, plus or minus 50-80 rubles), regularly, you can even boldly go on credit, there are no benefits for length of service, but the loaf (father) has every right privileges for travel in public and suburban transport (that is, theoretically you can travel to Moscow from the Crimea and vice versa for free), privileges for utilities and energy, plus water, and garbage disposal, it’s not clear why everyone is moaning like that. go along from laziness to go and arrange benefits !!!!!!
            1. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 17 January 2020 22: 43
              +1
              Honestly, how to live on 14.500 ...
              I will not say that this is a feat, but there is something heroic in it.
              At mnu in Feodosia on the North-West "Sea" in the region of 30000 salaries come out. I do not understand catastrophically how to live on it.
              True, I work alone, but I need to provide three. It turns out by the method of simple arithmetic calculations, a dozen per capita ... Absolutely not enough. Well then ...
              God willing, will become better.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 18 January 2020 11: 24
                +1
                I won’t say that this is a feat, but there is something heroic in it ..... nothing heroic, the main pride of any pensioner (overwhelmingly) is that? pralna-dacha proper care which helps to significantly reduce the pensioner's food expenses in two ways, or to spit in the ceiling or to do
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2020 21: 17
      0
      Moreover, the majority of those who criticize pension reform here are already retired.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 14 January 2020 23: 57
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        Moreover, the majority of those who criticize pension reform here are already retired.

        how about the size of the pension? Do not deny yourself anything!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 January 2020 18: 50
          +2
          I’m still 35 years old until retirement, and I don’t care for it, I already saved up money for old age, I will work as I please until the fins, the life movement - apathy and pessimism are death.
  23. Sergst
    Sergst 14 January 2020 20: 35
    +5
    Quote: 4ekist
    PENSIONER, remember that every year you lived is a DAMAGE TO THE STATE. It turns out somehow.

    Nah, it’s purple for the government. How much money is collected, so much will be distributed. There will be more pensioners, the cost of the point will decrease, and with it the pensions will decrease, no one from the budget is required to pay. Great job - no responsibility.
  24. Sergst
    Sergst 14 January 2020 20: 38
    -5
    Quote: figvam
    I think while there is a transitional period, there will be no significant increase in pensions.
    Why? And in this and that year, raised an average of 1000 rubles. It’s clear that it’s not enough, but, unfortunately, they promised to increase this very thousand each year.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 03: 12
      +5
      Quote: Sergst
      Quote: figvam
      I think while there is a transitional period, there will be no significant increase in pensions.
      Why? And in this and that year, raised an average of 1000 rubles. It’s clear that it’s not enough, but, unfortunately, they promised to increase this very thousand each year.

      and lose compare grades in your two comments !!! laughing
      1. Sergst
        Sergst 16 January 2020 07: 44
        +1
        I’m already used to the fact that here the minuses just fly for the facts.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 16 January 2020 19: 38
          +4
          Quote: Sergst
          I’m already used to the fact that here the minuses just fly for the facts.

          the fact is that the comment, which fits into the constantly nagging sound here, received pluses ... as soon as you revealed to them a reality in which pensions were actually raised by a thousand, you immediately grabbed the minuses !!! request wassat
          1. Sergst
            Sergst 16 January 2020 19: 49
            +1
            Probably, minus signers believe that they are changing objective reality so ...
  25. Stils
    Stils 14 January 2020 20: 43
    +6
    "Pension product", in another way, even the language does not dare to call this invention, akin to a ball in the hands of a thimble-gig, a kind of scam for middle-aged people.
  26. Finn
    Finn 14 January 2020 21: 02
    -1
    Quote: sergo1914
    Now even the age of marriage will be adjusted - and we will live!

    Do not correct. Previously, they took from 12 to 18. Now is the deadline.
  27. Finn
    Finn 14 January 2020 21: 11
    -1
    It is necessary to send pensioners to the war. They will not kill well; they will kill well too.
  28. jovanni
    jovanni 14 January 2020 21: 12
    +7
    The phrase "no money, but you hold on" is still relevant. And it becomes more and more fundamental. Soon it will probably be placed on the PFR facade, carved in granite ...
  29. UA3QHP
    UA3QHP 14 January 2020 21: 20
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Is it besides taxes, or all together?

    Unified social tax on payroll, paid by the company. In general, for 2020 - 30% of the payroll. For some activities, it is less (or more).
  30. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 14 January 2020 21: 43
    -3
    Is there anyone planning to live to retirement? Do not tell my slippers.
  31. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 14 January 2020 23: 30
    0
    But did someone think that funded pensions will be returned?

    Do not make me laugh.

    "They stole everything before us" - so it sounded like?
  32. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 15 January 2020 00: 49
    -4
    This is of course a sore subject, but I will speak only for myself - I do not need this pension. I am on my own. Yes, and I will not live to see her darling most likely. While I work, but the left half of the body (especially the hand) periodically refuses ... Money ... trash (well, from whose side to look - from my trash), and what should I do with them? Buy a new cruiser? Posturing. Probably leave the children.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 15 January 2020 06: 45
      +2
      And I will answer for myself too! And I need this pension / future / -I need it! Why? And this is a kind of bonus from the state for honestly living, serving, working. And I want to live and get it for at least five years - ten. And I’ll live!
    2. Po-tzan
      Po-tzan 15 January 2020 13: 34
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      This is of course a sore subject, but I will speak only for myself - I do not need this pension. I am on my own.


      Sign a formal retirement with a notary?
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 15 January 2020 14: 17
        -2
        Easy. Tra-ta-ta. The text is too short, and so easy.
  33. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 15 January 2020 08: 20
    0
    - In Japan, the elderly were taken to the mountain and left there to die.
    - Gentlemen, will there be any more proposals on pension reform?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2020 16: 49
      0
      "In Japan, old people were taken up a mountain and left there to die." And in the same place they fill in with cement - everything according to Fenshuyu
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 17 January 2020 22: 51
        +1
        Yes. I heard somewhere for it.
        Of course I'm a scoundrel and a fascist, but not to the same extent.