For the first Russian aircraft carrier, they use the drawings of the Soviet Ulyanovsk


By the end of 2020, the Russian Navy plans to complete work on the tactical and technical task (TTZ) for the construction of the first Russian heavy aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant and transfer it to the United Shipbuilding Company, where they will begin designing the ship. For work, they will raise technical documentation for the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk.


About this to the TASS news agency told two sources related to shipbuilding.

We are talking about a ship that they began to build in the 80s of the last century at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in Nikolaev. Ulyanovsk was developed at the Nevsky Design Bureau. This heavy nuclear carrier was laid at the plant in Nikolaev in 1988. It should have been completed in 1992-1993 and by 1995 transferred to the Navy. But the Soviet Union ceased to exist, the construction in 1991 was frozen, and by the next year the unfinished warship was dismantled and handed over for scrap. According to the project, the aircraft carrier was supposed to carry up to 70 aircraft and helicopters.

At the moment, the Russian fleet has the only aircraft carrier ship. This is a non-nuclear aircraft carrier cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov". The experience of its practical application, especially in Syria, will also be taken into account in the development of the technical specifications of the new Russian nuclear carrier.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation expects that the contract for its construction will be ready by 2025, and the construction itself will be completed by 2030.

A few days ago, Vladimir Putin was shown the concept of an aircraft carrier of the Manatee project.
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  1. Antidote 13 January 2020 11: 43 New
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    The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.
    1. pl675 13 January 2020 11: 49 New
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      Quote: Antidote
      The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.


      there is already no one and nothing to come up with, for example, informational convulsions.
      rupee in two - in the next ten years, they will not give birth to an aircraft carrier.
      1. vorobey 13 January 2020 12: 00 New
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        Quote: pl675
        Quote: Antidote
        The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.


        there is already no one and nothing to come up with, for example, informational convulsions.
        rupee in two - in the next ten years, they will not give birth to an aircraft carrier.


        and heard similar in armature and su 57 .. suggest not doing anything?
        1. maidan.izrailovich 13 January 2020 12: 07 New
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          and heard similar in armature and su 57 .. suggest not doing anything?

          I propose to first lay it at the shipyard, and then announce it. Together and rejoice.
          And then these paper announcements, fed up with the order.
          1. al3x 13 January 2020 12: 15 New
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            I have a better suggestion - to stop living these wet dreams once and for all and turn our attention to something more substantial and socially important in the first place. And then divorced modelers and science fiction writers in the highest echelons of power.
            1. kjhg 13 January 2020 12: 36 New
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              Quote: al3x
              I have a better suggestion - to stop living these wet dreams once and for all and to turn our attention to something more substantial and socially important in the first place

              The government and the Kremlin are not fools either. They reason like this: if it is not possible to improve the social status of citizens, to raise the economy, then it is necessary either to show them grandiose plans for the future, or to switch their attention to the external and internal enemy, or to arrange a small victorious war. All! It was not invented today or yesterday, but a very, very long time ago. I don’t give a damn that you cannot repair an aircraft carrier today. It is necessary to show that in the future we will build a nuclear aircraft carrier. Reality is nothing! Noodles are everything!
              1. dauria 13 January 2020 12: 44 New
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                The government and the Kremlin are not fools either.


                -Americans flew to the moon
                -And you fly immediately to the Sun
                -so hot!
                -The government and the Kremlin are not fools. Fly at night.

                In general, it is time in Russian to prohibit the use of verbs in the future tense.
                1. Alex777 13 January 2020 13: 42 New
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                  For work, they will raise technical documentation for the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk.

                  Just like the Chinese ....
                  1. Alex777 13 January 2020 16: 26 New
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                    For those who are not in the know, Ukrainians sold Ulyanovsk documentation to China.
                    According to it, with modifications, of course, a Chinese nuclear aircraft carrier is being built.
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              3. Ratmir_Ryazan 13 January 2020 14: 17 New
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                The government and the Kremlin are not fools either. They reason like this: if you can’t improve the social status of citizens


                In your opinion, the standard of living of citizens depends on who is sitting in the Kremlin, and not on who works in the factory and in the field?

                What nonsense are you talking about ?!

                The standard of living of people depends on only one thing - on how they work and how high quality and demand products and services that they produce !!!

                You can’t do 700 Lada cars a year and get as much as Volkswagen workers who produce 000 cars a year !!! And so we have in all sectors.
                1. polar fox 13 January 2020 18: 12 New
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                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  You can’t do 700 Lada cars a year and get as much as Volkswagen workers who produce 000 cars a year !!! And so we have in all sectors.

                  Excuse me, when and at WHAT plant in Wolfsburg 10 lyam cars were collected in a year? Or is it at an ALL concern? And does Volkswagen produce tools or machine tools or automatic lines?
                  you can’t "gas" in a puddle publicly ...
              4. 73bor 13 January 2020 19: 29 New
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                What makes you think that someone cannot do something? Everyone can do everything, just an aircraft carrier is not an urgent need for us and this is a fact, an expensive boat with unclear goals and dubious combat effectiveness, but for USC it’s just “heaven manna”. And not really "noodles."
                1. pl675 14 January 2020 01: 04 New
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                  Quote: 73bor
                  What makes you think that someone cannot do something?


                  probably because the “mistals” tried to buy from France not from a good life.
                  1. 73bor 14 January 2020 10: 11 New
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                    What does the Mistral have to do with it? These were not aircraft carriers, but agreed at other times, then under Taburetkin and Leopards and Centauro they were going to buy.
                    1. pl675 14 January 2020 11: 30 New
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                      Quote: 73bor
                      What does the Mistral have to do with it? These were not aircraft carriers, but agreed at other times, then under Taburetkin and Leopards and Centauro they were going to buy.


                      I will be happy to hear from you the difference in the complexity of building a (technological) aircraft carrier and a helicopter carrier with a docking chamber at our shipyards, this is the first.
                      and the second - between “they were going to buy leopards” and partially paid for “mistals” there is some difference in the committed actions, don’t you?
                      1. 73bor 18 February 2020 20: 12 New
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                        Do you want to prove to me that they can’t build? Well, but over the years I have been observing that all your arguments are not worth a penny, and as far back as fifteen years ago they said, no, they screamed that the Russian fleet was over and everything was irreversible.
                      2. pl675 19 February 2020 21: 39 New
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                        Quote: 73bor
                        Do you want to prove to me that they can’t build? Well, but over the years I have been observing that all your arguments are not worth a penny, and as far back as fifteen years ago they said, no, they screamed that the Russian fleet was over and everything was irreversible.


                        I’m not proving anything to anyone, I’m only using facts.
                        there are "pots" - they never gave him a mind. sense from him ???
                        let's build and exploit what we can, it seems to me that way.
                      3. pl675 19 February 2020 22: 58 New
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                        as an addition - I don’t care that 2 planes were drowned for the last trip, today, with the conversion of the internal rooms, we installed a bar counter for officers.
                        Is it not a furry animal ???
        2. Abbot 13 January 2020 13: 56 New
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          By the end of 2020, the Russian Navy plans to complete work on the tactical and technical task (TTZ) for the construction of the first Russian heavy aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant and transfer it to the United Shipbuilding Company, where they will begin designing the ship.

          And yet, what tasks will aircraft carriers solve? Why do they need the Navy? I understand China, they have neighbors on the archipelagos, sea lanes in the Pacific and Indian oceans and disputed territories. It is clear why they are the United States. Why do we need it? Drive away enemy’s AUGs, guard the NSR — ships with missile weapons, coastal defense, aviation, and multipurpose submarines will cope with this. Beautiful, prestigious, honorable - I do not argue. But what is the strategy, in which areas of the oceans can aircraft carrier formations be used? Again, the experience of World War II in its Pacific part - did its aircraft carriers help Japan? This is me to the fact that the Navy of the collective West will have a numerical superiority by any means. Though you burst!
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 13 January 2020 14: 32 New
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            And yet, what tasks will aircraft carriers solve?


            All that will be set before them.

            An aircraft carrier is an opportunity to use both fighter and anti-submarine aviation, and with the new air-to-air missiles R-37 and KS-172, Russia will be able to keep the enemy at a range of + 300-400 km of carrier radius of missile aircraft.

            Judging by the layout, new carriers will be able to use AWACS aircraft, which will increase the detection range of enemy aircraft and ships.

            All this will secure the deployment of our strategic submarines in both the Northern and Pacific Fleets.

            Aircraft carriers with nuclear power plants are floating airfields with an unlimited navigation period (food delivery and rotation of aircraft can be carried out directly to the sea by ships and aircraft).

            Without air cover, our Boreas will not even leave the base, they will be grazed by dozens of enemy nuclear submarines (only the United States has 60 nuclear submarines), and our MPCs and corvettes in case of war will be destroyed at sea by enemy aircraft with massive missile attacks.

            Also, with the construction of aircraft carriers, Russia will have the opportunity to deploy its aircraft anywhere in the world’s oceans, this is useful to support our allies and punish our enemies.

            World War II in its Pacific part - did its aircraft carriers help Japan?


            It was their help that helped Japan to achieve major victories in WW2, and its defeat in the war for the most part was a miscalculation in tactics, which is why Japanese aircraft carriers were lost and, subsequently, the Japanese military initiative.
            1. Alex Justice 13 January 2020 15: 39 New
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              with their help, Japan achieved major victories in WW2

              And she lost 4 aircraft carriers in one day, and the largest and newest even did not have time to sail from the dock. A great target these days. Suitable only for a weak adversary, such as a poise.
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan 13 January 2020 16: 22 New
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                And she lost 4 aircraft carriers in one day, and the largest and newest even did not have time to sail from the dock. A great target these days. Suitable only for a weak adversary, such as a poise.


                Firstly, victory and defeat in battle does not depend on technology, but on people and tactics. And the battle of Medway was just a miscalculation of Japanese tactics who did not expect their plan to be revealed and the Americans would wait for them.

                Secondly, do not forget that Japanese aircraft carriers were lost from aircraft from American aircraft carriers and the United States also lost one of them.

                And to be objective, if Japan had as many resources as the United States and the same area, the outcome of the war would be completely different.

                On the whole, the war at sea in Japan and the USA proved the necessity of aircraft carriers, since the aircraft used with them caused the main damage to the enemy’s ships and coastal infrastructure.
                1. Boa kaa 14 January 2020 01: 42 New
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                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  victory and defeat in battle does not depend on technology, but on people and tactics.

                  This statement is true only with the same (approximately the same) level of development of the OBS and their number in the troops and fleets.
              2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 13 January 2020 19: 17 New
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                > Only suitable for a weak opponent

                You can even agree, there is only one thing but - in the ocean, any kug against aug of a similar compensation will be weak adversary
            2. Eragon 13 January 2020 15: 56 New
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              Sorry, but instead of arguments you just have a set of cliches and a complete misunderstanding of building coastal defense.
              Suffice it to say that a long time ago, aircraft carriers were discovered and hit long before they entered the combat radius of their aircraft by coastal defense. What is the hunt for submarines with the help of aircraft carriers? On which theater were you planning to use an aircraft carrier, to protect which allies?
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan 13 January 2020 16: 35 New
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                Suffice it to say that a long time ago, aircraft carriers were discovered and hit long before they entered the combat radius of their aircraft by coastal defense.


                Aviation on an aircraft carrier has a range of 1500 km with all kinds of hanging tanks and refueling tanks + the range of missiles used is several hundred kilometers, while the aircraft carrier itself is still guarded by several cruisers / destroyers / frigates with powerful air defense and anti-submarine and nuclear submarines underwater.

                Moreover, on these AUG ships there is a strike missile weapon that can smash both the airfield and the sea base at a range of 2500 km into chips.

                What are you going to hit AUG in this situation? Heroic Ram?

                What is the hunt for submarines with the help of aircraft carriers?


                Not hunting, but ensuring the deployment of their strategic nuclear submarines.

                AUG is capable of providing a safety zone for any strategic nuclear submarine in a radius of a thousand kilometers anywhere in the ocean.

                But without aircraft carriers, the exit of a strategic nuclear submarine will be fixed by the enemy’s nuclear submarines located near our naval base. They will be organized surveillance and, if necessary, they will be instantly destroyed.

                How are you going to cover the deployment of our strategic nuclear submarines? IPC and frigates ?! One massive strike by cruise missiles from the US or British AUGs and you no longer have one IPC or the frigate will not go to sea, if at all.

                Carriers will allow Russia to keep the enemy at a distance of more than 1000 km from our shores.
              2. Boa kaa 14 January 2020 01: 58 New
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                Quote: Eragon
                long ago, aircraft carriers were discovered and hit long before they entered the combat radius of their aircraft by coastal defense.

                Your mistake is that you believe that the AVM will climb to the forefront of the attack on the whole coastal defense! This misconception about how to use AVM shows the level of knowledge of naval tactics ... Aircraft carriers are the second echelon of the strategic nuclear forces. First, Ogai and Virginia with their Tridents and Axes are discharged into our "objects". After that, you can forget about coastal airfields and much more. Including the "Containers" with the "Voronezh" ...
                Therefore, do not rush to write off the AVM in stock. If aircraft carriers were not needed for the US Navy, they would not have built 10 Fords (the Russians will destroy anyway! Then why build them?)
                Quote: Eragon
                What is the hunt for submarines with the help of aircraft carriers?

                Replace part of the anti-submarine strike aircraft - and you will like it!
                1. Ruslan67 14 January 2020 02: 50 New
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                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  . Aircraft carriers are the second echelon of the strategic nuclear forces. First, Ogai and Virginia with their Tridents and Axes are discharged into our "objects". After that, you can forget about coastal airfields and much more. Including the "Containers" with the "Voronezh" ...

                  Never special request But always something annoying request From the series we’ll send to observe the AUG sea trawler, and if something is am
                  For some reason, their AUG always wins the whole continent with all systems
                  But didn’t you try it on the contrary? Signal to attack yes 9 point storm A tanker tanker will have a fire in 2 days on a submarine and it surfaced at the wrong time Suddenly it turned out that on all the ships there wasn’t a flashlight for five bucks without which, according to the regulations, a fighter would not be able to fly Well?
                  This is not for you, but in general wassat
                  Happy New Year drinks
                  1. Boa kaa 14 January 2020 14: 59 New
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                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    always annoying something. From the series we’ll direct to observe the AUG sea trawler, and if something ...

                    This happens: MTSC (?) - rather a frigate, EM, because we need comparable speeds with AVU - in the role of KNS (direct tracking vehicle). Its task with the established periodicity is to issue EDC (coordinates, course, speed, nature of activity). Everyone knows that this is a suicide bomber and his task with the beginning of the database is to sell his life more expensively. Therefore, the KNS takes a position on KU = 120-150 * (l / n boards from the AVU) at D = 2,0 kbt. (the closer it is pressed, the more intact it will be) in order to dig out more holes with its 100-130 mm AC.
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    A signal to attack a 9-point storm. A tanker in 2 days will have a fire on the submarine and it floated at the wrong time. Suddenly it turned out that on all the ships there wasn’t a flash gun for five bucks without which, according to the regulations, the fighter would not be able to fly

                    1. In 9-point storm, our NK and KR do not fry.
                    2. A nuclear carrier. Tanker hit him on the drum.
                    3. About the boat. No one sane in a 9-point storm will climb up! They will fight the fire in the PP.
                    4. About spare parts. You can’t even imagine the stock of spare parts on Avik! Both for aircraft and for ship needs ...
                    The picture you painted is from the realm of fantasy.
                    Really "bang" AVM can only be weapons with SBP. Which was worked out during the Union on the Federation Council.
                    AHA.
                2. Abbot 14 January 2020 05: 00 New
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                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  Your mistake is that you believe that the AVM will climb to the forefront of the attack on the whole coastal defense! This misconception about how to use AVM shows the level of knowledge of naval tactics ... Aircraft carriers are the second echelon of the strategic nuclear forces. First, Ogai and Virginia with their Tridents and Axes are discharged into our "objects". After that, you can forget about coastal airfields and much more. Including the "Containers" with the "Voronezh" ...

                  Tell me, what tasks will the AUG and specifically the aircraft carrier solve in the event of a nuclear missile strike against coastal defense elements, missile defense and missile attack warning systems? You described an almost global strike using nuclear weapons. The aircraft carriers will not help here, the Strategic Missile Forces, submarine missile carriers and strategic aviation come into play. Everything, dry the oars, have sailed!
                  1. Boa kaa 14 January 2020 15: 06 New
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                    Quote: Abbot
                    what tasks will the AUG and specifically an aircraft carrier solve in the event of a nuclear missile strike on coastal defense elements, missile defense and missile attack warning systems?

                    Colleague! The AVM will be in a waiting area out of the reach of enemy weapons. Only the submarine tracking this AVM can catch it. Therefore, it is said that AVMs are the reserve of the SNLF, the second tier. They will crawl out onto the forescene after an MBR-SLBM-CRBD strike on priority goals and will achieve what will survive from the "disarming" strike.
                    Yes, this is a nuclear conflict, and it is unlikely that it will be limited, as the Pentagon dreams.
          2. 73bor 13 January 2020 19: 33 New
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            With our geographical position, the aircraft carrier is simply nowhere to keep.
          3. Boa kaa 14 January 2020 01: 29 New
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            Quote: Abbot
            The Navy of the collective West will be numerically superior to anyone.
            This problem can be solved with the help of Zircons, Daggers and TNW (as an option). But for this, their carriers must go to the frontiers of the decision of the BZ. And for this, both PLA and MRA should be covered from IA and Av PLO on deployment routes, in RBD, etc.
            The main means of combating SSBNs and AVU amps will be PLA / SSBNs, which are very vulnerable from AV PLO. Finding our AVM in the area will not allow them to freely search and destroy our submarines. This time. This is an operational-tactical task.
            Second problem - maritime missile defense on the basis of the Berks with Aegis (and SM-3A / SM-6 in MK41), which you need destroy before launching our ICBMs for targets on the territory of the aggressor ... Only aircraft carrier aviation can ensure the passage of our Su-22M3M over the sea ... Similarly, according to the actions of Av PLO when searching for SSBNs in the Norwegian and North Seas. This is already a strategic task.
            Quote: Abbot
            Though you burst!
            I agree, you can burst! lol
            1. Abbot 14 January 2020 05: 22 New
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              Quote: BoA KAA
              Only aircraft carrier aviation can ensure the passage of our Su-22M3M over the sea ..
              Who is flying? I am a little shocked, it turns out that our long-range aviation has so far been unable to carry out tasks on its own or to support the fleet, due to the lack of carrier aircraft. It is very interesting. And, this is ... not the Su-22, but the Tu-22.
              1. Boa kaa 14 January 2020 15: 26 New
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                Quote: Abbot
                not Su-22, but Tu-22.

                Of course, Tu, I just read about 57 and apparently fired on the machine. Excuse me.
                Quote: BoA KAA
                MRA must be covered by IA

                What confuses you in this phrase, what is wrong in the task?
                Do you think that on the probable flight path (deployment) of YES there will be no movable air defense / missile defense lines from ships with Aegis, and possibly air patrols from coastal airfields of NATO and US air forces? Well, and who do you think will be able to disperse this gang-watering can if not carrier aircraft?
                You can, of course, solve the problem of “clearing the corridor” for flying YES by other means, but constantly “boiling” the sea ... obviously not comme il faut!
                1. Abbot 14 January 2020 18: 56 New
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                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  What confuses you in this phrase, what is wrong in the task?

                  Actually, yes, embarrassing. You are projecting on the carrier-based aircraft the tasks of covering and providing DA actions on a marine theater. Interaction, this is still understandable. But cover ... Miles sorry, monsieur! It bothers me all the more that you consider the AMV with its maximum tactical nuclear weapons reserve or a certain second echelon of strategic nuclear forces. Since when has tactical nuclear weapons become a strategic reserve? Either I'm not catching up with something, or you are confusing something.
                  1. Boa kaa 15 January 2020 01: 35 New
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                    Quote: Abbot
                    I am confused that you consider the AMV with its maximum tactical nuclear weapons reserve or a certain second echelon of strategic nuclear forces.

                    It was in the US Ocean Doctrine. and then:
                    Carriers are one of the main components of US military power from the standpoint of their use as part of nuclear deterrence and missile security forces, being also an important link in theories and real plans of possible nuclear conflicts.
                  2. Abbot 15 January 2020 05: 00 New
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                    Quote: BoA KAA
                    "Aircraft carriers are one of the main components of US military power from the standpoint of their use as part of nuclear deterrence and missile security forces, being also an important link in theories and real plans for possible conflicts with the use of nuclear weapons."

                    Source? If not difficult. And yet, when you write about the SNLF, where does it come from - from the US Ocean Doctrine?
                  3. Boa kaa 15 January 2020 15: 25 New
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                    Quote: Abbot
                    A source?

                    this is from the wiki. but earlier on the MO website it was explicitly stated about AVMs that they are a reserve of nuclear forces in universal nuclear weapons.
                    Quote: Abbot
                    About INL, where does it come from - the US Ocean Doctrine?

                    The doctrine "changed" in 2015. in it, about the SNF, 12 new SSBNs will just be built to replace Ohio.
                    The 14 Ohio SSBNs with Trident II (D5) high-precision SLBMs on board will continue to remain the naval component of the US strategic triad in the US strategic containment system. The high range of Trident missiles made it possible to refuse to deploy the Ohio in advanced base. “Joint Strategy for the 2015st Century” of 12: work has begun on replacing the Ohio series with XNUMX new-generation SSBNs. The new SSBNs will become the launching platform for a new generation of sea-based ballistic missiles.

                    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/1909099.html
                    taken from REGNUM news agency.
                  4. Abbot 15 January 2020 18: 40 New
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                    Thank you You know, I propose to pause at this place. We will continue. Thank you for the calm conversation on the topic.
                  5. Boa kaa 15 January 2020 18: 55 New
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                    Quote: Abbot
                    Thank you for the calm conversation on the topic.

                    I am also grateful to you for the meaningful communication. hi
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    Absolutely not needed
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      No, why? Let's say you need it in the Eastern Mediterranean. A full squadron is needed there. Maybe on a rotational basis. Therefore, it is absolutely not worth it.
  • orionvitt 13 January 2020 13: 58 New
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    Quote: al3x
    to focus on something more substantial and socially important in the first place

    Clearly, "give to people." Why are aircraft carriers, planes, tanks, missiles? Anyway, the army is not needed. Cut everything, sell it, then everyone will see how peaceful Russia is and no one will attack. Even NATO bases will be removed from the Russian borders. laughing Heard already in the 90s. Something, like that, not so everything turned out. Bulk accidentally not your brother? And then somehow you sing sweetly.
  • Guillon 13 January 2020 19: 25 New
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    What could be more important for our country than the revival of civil aviation! ?? fellow And where is it, rebirth? !! request negative am
  • Old Michael 13 January 2020 22: 47 New
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    divorced modelers and science fiction writers in the highest echelons of power

    Modellers have brains, and their hands are not crooked. Science fiction writers have dreams about how to make humanity happier.
    Would there be those in those echelons ...
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    Tell silkworms, they’re running around everywhere, sniffing, and you’ll grab the zugunder, start yelling about freedom of speech
    1. Snail N9 13 January 2020 13: 17 New
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      Oh, these "projects" and "plans" .... What, such "25 million high-paying, high-tech jobs with a salary of 25000 USD"? What else to promise to strengthen patriotism and bonds? But nothing! Now you don’t have to promise anything .....- go work! We will think for you! Go to work!:
  • alexmach 13 January 2020 12: 37 New
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    I propose to first lay it at the shipyard, and then announce it

    I have an even better proposal - First lay and then deal with this tactical technical task and other pieces of paper </sarcasm>
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      Quote: alexmach
      I have an even better proposal - First lay and then deal with this tactical technical task and other pieces of paper

      applause!!!!
  • Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 13: 07 New
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    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
    I propose to first lay it at the shipyard, and then announce it. Together and rejoice.
    And then these paper announcements, fed up with the order.

    Perhaps, to begin with, build a shipyard and recruit shipbuilders? belay
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 13 January 2020 14: 36 New
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      Perhaps, to begin with, build a shipyard and recruit shipbuilders? belay


      And you follow the news, for example -

      In the late 2010s, a large-scale reconstruction of the Zvezda DVZ was launched. To compensate for the territories occupied by Zvezda, the Far Eastern Shipyard transfers the remaining part of the territory of the Vostok ship equipment plant (the former branch of the Amur Shipbuilding Plant) after the construction of the SSC and laminates the artificial territory in the waters of the Bolshoi Kamen Bay, which will connect the territory of the Far Eastern Shipyard with the former territories of the East ". A large-scale reconstruction of the plant’s facilities and facilities is underway. The reconstruction program is designed until 2022. The project cost is estimated at 41,7 billion rubles., Of which 20,85 billion rubles. will provide the Ministry of Industry and Trade and 20,85 billion rubles. Rosneft.

      September 11, 2018, the construction of the largest in Russia began dry dock 500 m long, Construction is carried out by the Chinese state corporation China Communications Construction Company (CCCS). The deadline for the delivery of the dry dock is scheduled for 2020.

      1. Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 15: 06 New
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        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And you follow the news, for example

        Of course I follow ... Of all the objects delivered on time in the first place the Crimean bridge ... That's it ...
        The rest is interfered by Swan, Cancer and Pike, harnessed to a cart, on which a cart called "High-tech Russian production" lies and dies ...
        If you suddenly decide to contradict me, I will send you to the budget of Russia, where you will see, due to which it continues to replenish.
        And all the news about the Zvezda DVZ is very pleasing to me. One thing is not pleasing - the population decline (at a huge and constant pace) in the Far Eastern Federal District ... Or were there advertisements for hiring neighbors at the Far Eastern Federal District?
        I’m ready to repeat it to you for the millionth time, but for some reason I want not to read, but to count ...
        It started, the project showed, scientists found ... All this is good in the media and in the words of propagandists and political scientists of internal use.
        And in life, most often: “continues to finish”, “nearing completion”, “final project approved”, “there were not enough funds for development”, “the State Duma adopted a law on increasing salaries for deputies and officials”, “the list of Russian billionaires has increased to 110 "," The production of an airplane (helicopter, installation, ship, etc.) was postponed due to sanctions "...
        Or do you think that I should be happy about this? Or what is different in Russia than in Ukraine?
        Well, if you want: fellow
        Oh! I almost missed it:
        Superjet had to interrupt flight due to technical problem
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          Oh! I almost missed it:
          Superjet had to interrupt flight due to technical problem

          You are just looking for a reason to poke.

          Almost 400 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft remain on the ground for about six months due to the flight ban.


          Remind me why these planes do not fly ?!

          Or maybe tell me that Boeing and Airbuses do not have technical failures ?!

          Russia has recently been building ships, planes, helicopters - in tens and hundreds of pieces !!!

          And you do not like to read about the development plans of the military-industrial complex and the Armed Forces of Russia - well, do not read and do not leave your smeared snot here.

          One thing is not pleasing - the population decline (at a huge and constant pace) in the Far Eastern Federal District ...


          In Germany, the population is declining 2 times faster than in Russia. Try to think why.
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            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            In Germany, the population is declining 2 times faster than in Russia. Try to think why.

            That's it ... And in Syria people are even killed ... In Germany ... In Ukraine ... In Iran ... stop
            Uncle! I live in Russia, and, as you say here, “I’m not smearing snot”. I'm fed up with your promises and noodles that you hang on your ears ...
            By the way, on the Cote d'Azur ...
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan 13 January 2020 15: 59 New
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              You smear the snot and whine.

              What are you unhappy with ?! That no one gives you money in bags for imported clothes and cars, because Russia sells resources ?! And what did you have to do with
              These resources appeared in Russia ?!

              About 40% of the federal budget is funded by the sale of resources, and all 100% of gold and foreign currency reserves, like the debts of the USSR / Russia of the 90s, are formed / paid from resources.

              More oil, gas, coal, metals are mined in the United States than in Russia, but I haven’t heard something handing out money in bags there for free, but I can clearly see how they work there and see their goods on our shelves from Coca-Cola and Tide laundry detergent to cars, smartphones and PC software. THAT'S WHY IN THE USA LIVE BETTER !!!

              And in you I see a whiner who, by any news, will find a reason to understand and chew snot. are you justifying yourself with this ?! Well, so stupid.
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                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                What are you unhappy with ?! That no one gives you money in bags for imported clothes and cars, because Russia sells resources ?!

                They put a primitive on the site, and he tries - he turns the same record. It is your owners who need money in bags, which is why they are fleecing the population to the skin. Now taxes, then tariffs, then salaries, then planned inflation ...
                And what did you have to do with Russia getting these resources ?!

                And in our country, every citizen of Russia is related to resources under the constitution by birthright and citizenship. And those papers on the ownership of Russian resources that were distributed under the EBN are not yet the right of ownership.
                To a wretched head to prove sinful ...
                I see in you the most outspoken slaver, defending his right to stand at the "feeding trough". And I’m not going to throw beads in front of you and your like.
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                I see in you the most outspoken slaver, defending his right to stand at the "feeding trough".
                The way it is. There is a small group of “successful” huckster businessmen who have successfully poured into the stream, who will prove with foam at the mouth that everything is fine in the country, and millions of poor Russians simply do not know how to work. (And retirees, too, by the way). For their activities in Soviet times, they could be prosecuted.
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              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              but the way they work there, I can clearly see and see their products on our shelves from Coca-Cola and Tide laundry detergent to cars, smartphones and PC software.
              Oh! What do I see?! Does this phrase mean that a typical American works many times more and more efficiently than a Russian ?! fool
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              Does this phrase mean that a typical American works many times more and more efficiently than a Russian ?!

              I'm also not sure that a simple American moves his fingers twice as fast, runs faster, and twists and turns twists. But hell, there is such a thing as "labor productivity." And we are constantly being told that we need to raise it somehow. And it is expressed in some numbers. And this figure is still much higher among the Americans than ours. For example, it’s completely incomprehensible to me how to increase and increase this productivity itself? Maybe to me, as a person working in the office, two times faster typing on a computer and two times faster talking on the phone? Oh yes - think twice as fast. But I’m so unlikely to be able, no matter how I try.
    2. Vadim237 13 January 2020 15: 39 New
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      The budget of Russia is filled at the expense of all taxes, the budget plan for 2020
      $ 42,4 - cut-off price per barrel of Urals oil;
      67-68 rub. - forecast for the price of $ 1;
      3% - pledged and estimated inflation rate;
      112,863 trillion rubles - the expected total gross domestic product;
      20,379 trillion rubles - projected revenues in the state budget of the country, which is 431 billion rubles more than in the previous 2019. At the same time, revenues from the oil and gas sector will amount to approximately 2,334 trillion. rub.;
      19,503 trillion rubles - the mortgaged level of total expenses in the state budget, which is 1,44 trillion. rubles (1 trillion four hundred and forty billion) more than in 2019;
      876,052 billion rubles - the state budget surplus (which is 0,9-1% of GDP);
      64,4 billion dollars - the maximum value in terms of external debt;
      3,323 trillion rubles - the secret part of expenditures in the state budget structure, which is 323 billion rubles. more than the previous year.
      more than 50 rubles - the expected cost per liter of gasoline from January 1;
      more than 65-70% - the closed part of expenses for the National Defense;
      12 130 rubles - the federal minimum wage;
      ≈ 40 thousand rubles - the expected level of average wages in the country.
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  • Greenwood 13 January 2020 15: 15 New
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    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    And you follow the news

    And why did you bring the Star here as an example? Firstly, it is built by the Chinese, or rather, Chinese workers who receive good salaries of 100000 per month, while the local population sucks its paw. Secondly, tankers and gas carriers will be built at this shipyard for private orders for Russian and foreign oil and gas companies. There are already many orders, the schedule is scheduled for many years to come.
    In general, I do not understand why you are citing this private shipyard as an example in an article about a promising aircraft carrier. request
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      This is when this shipyard became private - the customer is Rosneft, a state-owned company.
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        This is when this shipyard became private - the customer is Rosneft, a state-owned company.

        But this does not mean at all that now they will urgently begin to build aircraft carriers and UDC. And most likely, in general, they will not build anything military on the Star.
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      Firstly, it is built by the Chinese, or rather, Chinese workers who receive good salaries of 100000 per month,


      Firstly, the keyword BUILD is here, in Russia there are no companies that could build such an object in the near future.

      In general, I do not understand why you are citing this private shipyard as an example in an article about a promising aircraft carrier. request


      The Far Eastern plant Zvezda is a Russian shipbuilding and ship repair enterprise. The leading Pacific Fleet submarine repair company and the only one in the Far East specializing in the repair, refurbishment and modernization of nuclear submarine missile carriers.

      The new shipyard was founded in 2009 as a joint venture United Shipbuilding Corporation (80% shipyard) and Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (20%) and was called the “DSME Star”. The new shipyard was intended for the construction of a large tanker fleet for Russian oil and gas companies. However, in 2012, Daewoo left the joint venture and the shipyard transferred to Rosneft and Gazprombank. In 2015, the company received the name Shipbuilding Complex Zvezda.

      When the decision on the mortgage of the Russian aircraft carrier is made, the place for laying it on the Star will be free. The main thing here is that this place is in the Far East for the construction of aircraft carriers for the Pacific Fleet.

      There are opportunities to build aircraft carriers in Sevmash for the Northern Fleet.

      And the fact that tankers are being built on the Star is just fine, the workers and engineers will get their hands on it, then the construction of aircraft carriers will go faster.
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        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        The leading Pacific Fleet submarine repair company and the only one in the Far East specializing in the repair, refurbishment and modernization of nuclear submarine missile carriers.
        Carriers here with?
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        When the decision on the mortgage of the Russian aircraft carrier is made, the place for laying it on the Star will be free.
        What a fright? The shipyard will carry out private contracts. No one for the sake of a state order with dubious funding will not disrupt the construction of tankers.
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        The main thing here is that this place is in the Far East for the construction of aircraft carriers for the Pacific Fleet.
        And what is the benefit to the owners of the shipyard to build an aircraft carrier?
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And the fact that tankers are being built on the Star is just fine, the workers and engineers will get their hands on it, then the construction of aircraft carriers will go faster.
        This will not happen, calm down and start looking at life realistically. With a bunch of orders for tankers, the owner will not release the stocks for the sake of an aircraft carrier.
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      1. Greenwood 13 January 2020 19: 32 New
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        Quote: samimagic76
        big stone small village
        Big Stone is a city with a population of about 40000 people. Do not write about what you do not know.
        Quote: samimagic76
        in such a dry dock it will be much easier to build and launch an aircraft carrier 100 thousand tons deadweight
        The shipyard will work on private orders. There will be many orders. The owner will not abandon them or shift them for the sake of building an aircraft carrier that could drag out.
        Quote: samimagic76
        Do not forget about the competencies in nuclear power plants, the aircraft carrier will be with a nuclear power plant! right now, at first, the leader will receive competencies in rhythm-400 with the Baltzavod SPb, then they will realize the same on an aircraft carrier.
        It’s not funny for yourself?
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        and you’ve got the mess, Bandera!
        Administration complaint sent.
  • Alex Justice 13 January 2020 15: 44 New
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    Perhaps, to begin with, build a shipyard and recruit shipbuilders?

    And build a merchant fleet. Little Korea overwhelmed the world with its huge ships, and Russia dreams of omnipotence. People must be thought of. How many clinics can you build with this money?
    1. Dart2027 13 January 2020 19: 57 New
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      People must be thought of. How many clinics can you build with this money?

      Change the plate, from the 90s it no longer rolls.
  • polar fox 13 January 2020 18: 15 New
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    For starters, build a shipyard and recruit shipbuilders?

    first you need to give birth to them, raise, educate, train, and then they will build ... but it's fantastic ...
  • Grits 14 January 2020 02: 10 New
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    Perhaps, to begin with, build a shipyard and recruit shipbuilders?

    Well then, for starters, to determine the place where this shipyard will be built and where builders and shipbuilders will live.
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    I propose to first lay it at the shipyard, and then announce it. Together and rejoice.
    And then these paper announcements, fed up with the order.


    Tired of announcements - well, do not read !!!

    What is the problem? The media in this case talk about the development plans of the Russian Navy and there is nothing wrong with that.

    But the Russian aircraft carriers are needed. 5 pieces (2 each for the Pacific and Northern Fleets + 1 as a reserve, in case of replacement of an aircraft carrier in the fleets during scheduled repairs).
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      The media in this case talk about the development plans of the Russian Navy and there is nothing wrong with that.
      It’s just that some people look at the world realistically, and some are in the clouds. Given the current state of the Russian economy and the socio-political system, all these plans will remain plans (pictures, cartoons, mock-ups).
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      But the Russian aircraft carriers are needed.
      Are needed. But there will be none in the next 15 years.
      1. Boa kaa 14 January 2020 02: 26 New
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        Given the current state of the Russian economy and the socio-political system, all these plans will remain plans

        At the expense of the economy - I agree ...
        But the United States, under severe imperialism, is building Aviki! Britain, too ...
        Maybe the matter is still in the level of development of industry. We recently got out of the "turbine" pit, so it’s better to strengthen the MTB ... To modernize production for the means of production. You look, and the business with the elemental base of electronics will move from a dead point of 28 mn ...
        AHA.
  • Roman070280 13 January 2020 12: 15 New
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    But I missed it when the Su57 entered service, and how many Armats we already sold for export ..
    Or did the word "do" mean some other operation ?? So there’s next news about Zakharchenko hanging ..
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      But I missed it when the Su57 entered service


      May 29, 2019 launched mass production of a fighter. A contract is planned for the supply of 76 aircraft, which will fully equip 3 regiments.
      1. Xenofont 13 January 2020 15: 29 New
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        Do not forget to 27 years!
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          And where to hurry - no one is chasing us and we are not going to zakam, we are not chasing in terms of rearmament.
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          Do not forget about the production of the MiG-29K / 35, Su-30/34/35.
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            Yes, I especially do not expect breakthroughs in the production of the 57s, because the dviglo will not be earlier than 25 years, and you can get acquainted with the technical staff and pilots on what is planned.
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              Yes, I especially do not expect breakthroughs in the production of the 57s, because the dviglo will not be earlier than 25 years, and you can get acquainted with the technical staff and pilots on what is planned.


              On the Su-57, the engine of the first stage is already the 5th generation engine, the engine of the second stage will be even better.
  • Victor_B 13 January 2020 12: 25 New
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    suggest do nothing?

    Why nothing?
    The first is to determine (clearly put into the doctrine) how and where it will / will be used.
    For example, to “cover the deployment areas of SSBNs”, an AB strike is not needed, an analogue of Kuzi is enough, with a small warrant - AB PVO / PLO, Orions with Poseidons and chase other submarines.
    If in the area of ​​Venezuela / Florida / San Diego to threaten a strike, then the AUG is real, shock, you need with AV under a hundred aircraft.
    If it’s black ... in general, underdeveloped to drive, then plus the AB need Mistral any with a couple of regiments of the Marine Corps.
    Well, in the meantime, you can draw drawings and even do the model.
  • Proxima 13 January 2020 12: 29 New
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    Maybe with this money they can patch up the monstrous problem holes in our Navy? For example, our naval aviation is simply in a deplorable state (there is no need to explain who is in the subject). Yes, and "Kuznetsov" must finally be brought to mind!
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      Maybe with this money they can patch up the monstrous problem holes in our Navy? For example, our naval aviation is simply in a deplorable state (there is no need to explain who is in the subject). Yes, and "Kuznetsov" must finally be brought to mind!


      And are there any problems with this with financing ?!
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      For example, naval aviation is simply in a deplorable state.

      Yes, anti-submarine aviation based on the Il-50 and Be-38 developed in the 12s in the amount of several dozen units - this, of course, is complete tin!
  • pl675 13 January 2020 12: 44 New
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    and heard similar in armature and su 57 .. suggest not doing anything?

    these developments (hello, Motherland of the USSR!) are many more than ten years old, and things are still there
    - until now, piece goods.
    I propose to do what we can, and that fits into the doctrine (I'm talking about the fleet if that), since it is very far from tanks and aircraft.
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      Armata and Su-57 have nothing to do with the USSR. Tired of wet fantasies
  • NEXUS 13 January 2020 12: 50 New
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    suggest do nothing?

    But here I first propose building a shipyard of the required size, which we do not have today.
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      Dry dock 360 meters long by 60 meters wide will not be enough?
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        Dry dock 360 meters long by 60 meters wide will not be enough?

        And are you going to build an aircraft carrier in a dry dock from bookmark to launch? Seriously? Oh well...
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          Well, a shipyard was built around the dry dock, Cutting, bending, painting, assembly slides ...
          Tankers with a displacement of 84 kilotons were built in a series.
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            Tankers with a displacement of 84 kilotons were built in a series.

            A tanker or gas carrier is not an aircraft carrier ...
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          This year they plan to lay two nuclear icebreakers for 70000 tons each.
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      But here I first propose building a shipyard of the required size, which we do not have today.


      You would be in the government, without your suggestions there, they can’t cope in any way))).


      In the late 2010s, a large-scale reconstruction of the Zvezda DVZ was launched. To compensate for the territories occupied by Zvezda, the Far Eastern Shipyard transfers the remaining part of the territory of the Vostok ship equipment plant (the former branch of the Amur Shipbuilding Plant) after the construction of the SSC and laminates the artificial territory in the waters of the Bolshoi Kamen Bay, which will connect the territory of the Far Eastern Shipyard with the former territories of the East ". A large-scale reconstruction of the facilities and facilities of the plant is underway. The reconstruction program is designed until 2022. The project cost is estimated at 41,7 billion rubles., Of which 20,85 billion rubles. will provide the Ministry of Industry and Trade and 20,85 billion rubles. Rosneft.

      On September 11, 2018, the construction of the largest dry dock in Russia, 500 m long, began; construction is carried out by the Chinese state corporation China Communications Construction Company (CCSS). The deadline for the delivery of the dry dock is scheduled for 2020.
  • Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 13: 01 New
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    Quote: vorobey
    and heard similar in armature and su 57 .. suggest not doing anything?

    We offer not to roll your lips and not flatter yourself on promises.
    Until 2030, various "donkeys" may survive. But as for the "homestead" and the padishah, these ten years can "dry out" ...
  • lis-ik 13 January 2020 18: 36 New
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    Quote: vorobey

    and heard similar in armature and su 57 .. suggest not doing anything?

    So left unfinished, or according to your information, they’re doing the whole thing in part.
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      Well, on Red Square in parades ride for fun to the president. And the troops, meanwhile, are still dissecting the T-72B3.
  • AK1972 14 January 2020 15: 28 New
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    And how many regiments, please tell me, are armed with armatures? And how many SU-57 squadrons?
  • K-50 13 January 2020 12: 27 New
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    there’s already no one and nothing to come up with,

    Because it’s not how "managerial" is effective, but there is no technical thinking, from the word at all, and now we have around them, and not engineers and designers. negative
  • g1v2 13 January 2020 22: 46 New
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    Naturally. Even if by the year 25 a contract and technical specifications are drawn up, then by the 30th year only the design will be completed and that is not a fact - the work is voluminous. Further construction takes about 10 years. Plus, 2-3 tests. If, by the year 25, the contract is drawn up, then by the year 40-42 they will surrender. And all these “give the aircraft carrier by the 30th year” you can simply scroll through.
  • IL-18 14 January 2020 00: 22 New
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    they will not give birth to an aircraft carrier.

    When it comes to building a new aircraft carrier, I cannot find the answer to the question: why do we need it? Well, not serious it! He, unaccompanied by Buyanov and Karakurt, must go over three seas. And to him alone what to do off the coast, for example, Barbados? Maybe while frigates, destroyers do? In short, in my opinion, this is chatter.
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    Quote: Antidote
    The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.


    there is already no one and nothing to come up with, for example, informational convulsions.
    rupee in two - in the next ten years, they will not give birth to an aircraft carrier.
    Is he really needed? All these displays and informational noise-tarrarams are nothing more than noise. In the foreseeable future, in any case, they will not and will not build. A different concept of ensuring parity and security. And the words spoken aloud to the public ... the words always with smart people are designed to hide true thoughts. But Putin and Shoigu are undoubtedly smart.
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    Pavel. I’ll add where they will build and where they will moor.
  • Piramidon 13 January 2020 12: 06 New
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    The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.

    Why break your head, invent. They use Soviet backlogs (complete with drawings), on which, basically, everything is still held.
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      Ten years - either the donkey will die, or the padish, or Khoja Nasreddin. If an aircraft carrier is needed, then it is necessary to accelerate the work.
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        The key is if ..
        We need a pipe layer .. and then no one deigned not to build it, nor to modernize it, or even at least somehow take care ..
        And the aircraft carrier is just a kapets to us, as necessary ..))
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          None of which new pipelayer in Russia is needed, Gazprom has applied for retrofitting with welding and diagnostic equipment of one of the two offshore pipelayers that Russia has, he will complete SP 2 and will complete it. More Russia will not build offshore pipelines, but will increase LNG supplies to Europe and other countries of the world.
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            Well, I’m saying so .. since we don’t even need a pipe layer (although we threw pipes all over the world), then the aircraft carrier didn’t give up to us ..
            Kuzyu will be "retrofitted" soon ..))
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        If an aircraft carrier is needed, then it is necessary to accelerate the work.

        Of course you can dream. But who, where and how will they be accelerated? You need to be realistic, neither Joseph Vissarionovich, nor Lavrenty Pavlovich calls not to resurrect. We have adopted the terms, mainly to the right, and not to the left to move.
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      Because their brains are clearly not enough, that in aviation, that in the space industry, that in shipbuilding .. -that they get normal engineers out of the shelves of development, they dust off the dust and make money on it .. The main thing is to shift the deadlines to the right competently .. Well, call "your" project pathetic ...
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    Drawing is not a problem. Where will they build and who?
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    I remember that the Supreme spoke something about the USSR and galoshes ...
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      If in the USSR only galoshes were produced, then I don’t even know what word the current industry is. This is some kind of new DND, the existence of which in Soviet times could not even be imagined.
      In fact, having lived so far, already 30 years old, on the Soviet heritage and backlog, only villains can speak about this era in offensive terms.
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        But some of this scoundrel, in all seriousness, consider him clever .. they are proud of him, they catch every word with his mouth open ..))
        And so very much is not enough in the country ..
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        If in the USSR only galoshes were produced, then I don’t even know what word the current industry is. This is some kind of new bottom

        These are soles from galoshes ...
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        Quote: kjhg
        If in the USSR only galoshes were produced, then I don’t even know what word the current industry is.

        You doubt in vain. Yes, in the USSR they did not produce products, but "Soviet products". Those. in a sense, it’s galoshes. Since the "Soviet products" had nothing to do with normal products and did not have. Only, perhaps, it looks similar. And there’s a lot of “ponte” around her.
        The same SSJ100, this is normal production (the first in the history of normal Soviet / Russian jet passenger aircraft). But for its production, 70% of components had to be purchased abroad. In the post-Soviet space, normal components were simply not produced.
        And so it can go on ad infinitum.
        Quote: kjhg
        still living, for 30 years, on the Soviet legacy and groundwork,

        "Soviet backlog" is a myth. The usual Soviet myth. Natural resources, and today Russia lives by selling them, this was obviously not Soviet. Only pipelines can be attributed to the Soviet backlog.
        But who said that these pipelines would not have existed without the USSR?
        By the way, pipelines and oil pumps are the legacy of the Soviet Khrushchev scolded. Dzhugashvilya during his reign did not even think of it.
        Dumb was. But the cunning.
        1. Piramidon 13 January 2020 13: 54 New
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          Quote: fghy
          "Soviet backlog" is a myth.

          Have you read the article? Get off the shelf Soviet backlog aircraft carrier.
          1. Vadim237 13 January 2020 15: 56 New
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            Nor will there be any construction of an aircraft carrier until the year 2030 because it is too expensive, a lot of other things need to be laid for the fleet, and this article is just a wish of the design bureau and USC.
          2. wchin 13 January 2020 20: 01 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            They take out the Soviet back of the aircraft carrier from the shelf.

            It’s ridiculous. Well, where in the USSR was the "aircraft carrier hurt"?
            A real (full-fledged) aircraft carrier (and even inferior too) was never built in the USSR. They were not in the Reich, which means the USSR did not have either.
            What can they get there "off the shelf"?
            1. Piramidon 13 January 2020 20: 37 New
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              Quote: wchin
              It’s ridiculous. Well, where in the USSR was the "aircraft carrier hurt"?

              Do not be a clever troll. Let there be an aircraft carrier cruiser. It’s about building the same soviet drawings and backlogs, which, in your writings, the USSR did not have.
              1. wchin 13 January 2020 21: 50 New
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                Quote: Piramidon
                Let there be an aircraft carrier cruiser.

                So an aircraft carrier cruiser or an aircraft carrier?
                1. Piramidon 13 January 2020 22: 57 New
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                  Quote: wchin
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Let there be an aircraft carrier cruiser.

                  So an aircraft carrier cruiser or an aircraft carrier?

                  I replied to a post stating that no Soviet backlogs exist. And you wedged in with the classification.
            2. Grits 14 January 2020 05: 51 New
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              Quote: wchin
              What can they get there "off the shelf"?

              Just "Ulyanovsk" then they can. It was a full-fledged nuclear aircraft carrier akin to the American. But why reinvent the wheel, if it has already been invented, is in the drawings? It remains only to put other bulbs and another flashlight on this bike, install plastic instead of iron wings, apply a new welding system for parts, better paint, better cameras and tires, a navigator, a soft seat, use new grease instead of the old solid oil, and do not tighten the screws screwdriver, and a screwdriver. And this bike will ride better than before. Despite the fact that it was invented 30 years ago.
        2. Abbot 13 January 2020 14: 19 New
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          Quote: fghy
          But who said that these pipelines would not have existed without the USSR? By the way, pipelines and oil pumps are the legacy of the Soviet Khrushchev scolded.

          Vapchet, the first oil pipelines appeared in the Russian Empire. And their development is not associated with Khrushchev, but with the development of the oil refining industry, with an increase in oil and gas production and a decrease in the cost of transporting the extracted long distances over land and then along the seabed.
          1. wchin 13 January 2020 20: 03 New
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            Quote: Abbot
            Vapchet, the first oil pipelines appeared in the Russian Empire.

            From Eastern Siberia?
            It was about a 20-year development program for Eastern Siberia, adopted by Khrushchev in 1960. This program feeds Russia to this day.
            1. Abbot 13 January 2020 20: 26 New
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              Quote: wchin
              From Eastern Siberia?
              No, from the Balakhani oil fields straight to refining in the district of Baku.
              Quote: wchin
              It was about ...
              Nope, it seems to you. It happens ))
        3. The Siberian barber 13 January 2020 14: 26 New
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          I didn’t suspect that the phone screen could stink of what was written)) How much do they pay for the stream of crap? And, after all, you did not live there, and there is more hatred than you weigh yourself. Or "stupid loot" ??
        4. Abbot 13 January 2020 20: 50 New
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          Quote: fghy
          Dzhugashvilya during his reign did not even think of it.
          Dumb was. But the cunning.

          Until 1917, oil pipelines with a total length of 1300 km were built in the Republic of Ingushetia, and the average pipe diameter was 197 mm. In 1913, only 6% of all transported oil was pumped over the Baku-Batumi pipeline.

          Well, before the war, the Bolsheviks and the "dumb" Stalin reconstructed pipelines, built new Sabunchi - Baku, Khadyzhensk - Tuapse, Makhachkala - Grozny, Baku-Batumi (834 km, 250 mm in diameter, 13 pumping stations), Grozny - Tuapse (649 km, 250 mm, 7 n / a), Guryev-Orsk (709 km, 300 mm), underground Ishimbay - Ufa (168 km, 300 mm). They developed deposits in Bashkiria, Tatarstan, Samara, Perm, Orenburg and the North Caucasus. The total length of the USSR trunk pipeline system was 4100 km, 70% of which was used for pumping crude oil.
          1. wchin 13 January 2020 21: 49 New
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            Compared to the program for the development of Eastern Siberia, it was a babble.
            1. Abbot 14 January 2020 00: 45 New
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              Quote: wchin
              Compared to the program for the development of Eastern Siberia, it was a babble.
              Quote: wchin
              about the 20-year development program for Eastern Siberia adopted by Khrushchev in 1960

              Western Siberia, not Eastern. West Siberian Oil and Gas Complex (ZSNGK) 1960-1980 And the decisions were made, the development was laid back under Stalin, the topic was supervised by Beria. In 1946, the Ministry of the Petroleum Industry and the Ministry of Geology (the Main Directorate for Oil and Gas Exploration) were established, in 1947 the Council of Ministers adopted a decree on drilling reference wells, adopted a plan for 1949-50, in 1947 equipment was purchased in the USA for geophysical exploration ... Yes, what I tell you. )) You yourself read something useful on the topic, enrich your knowledge. After come - we will discuss.
              1. wchin 14 January 2020 00: 50 New
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                Quote: Abbot
                Western Siberia, not Eastern.

                I agree, mixed up.
                Quote: Abbot
                And the decisions were made, the development was laid back under Stalin, the topic was supervised by Beria.

                But this is nonsense.
                This Program of 1960. It could not be prepared for 7-10 years.
                Quote: Abbot
                You yourself read something useful on the topic, enrich yourself with knowledge.

                So read it. You need.
                1. Abbot 14 January 2020 01: 10 New
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                  But this is nonsense.
                  This Program of 1960. It could not be prepared for 7-10 years.

                  She could easily. First, the whole country was busy with post-war reconstruction. It will somehow be completely idiotic if you call it baby talk. Secondly, after Stalin's death, certain changes took place in the government, which affected the work of the entire state apparatus. Thirdly, I haven’t seen anything sensible from you yet, except for “nonsense”.
                  1. wchin 14 January 2020 01: 19 New
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                    Quote: Abbot
                    First, the whole country was busy with post-war reconstruction.

                    How many years did the "post-war reconstruction" last? All life?
                    In 1960, everyone forgot to think about the "post-war reconstruction".
                    Quote: Abbot
                    Thirdly, I haven’t seen anything sensible from you yet, except for “nonsense”.

                    Similarly, apart from the obvious pulling of facts by the ears, nothing from you.
                    The program was developed and adopted under Khrushchev. The consequences of this Program (1960-80) feed Russia to this day. Khrushchev was extremely pleased with the development and implementation of this Program. And it was precisely referring to her that he said that in 1980 the Soviet citizens would live under communism.
                    These are historical facts. And you leave your speculations to yourself.
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                      Quote: wchin
                      Similarly, apart from the obvious pulling of facts by the ears, nothing from you.

                      Well, if nothing, then thank you for your attention and all the best.
      4. Abbot 13 January 2020 14: 08 New
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        True, I support.
        1. rich 13 January 2020 14: 22 New
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          For the first Russian aircraft carrier, they use the drawings of Soviet Ulyanovsk

          The main thing here is that the drawings should not be confused and that instead of the aircraft carrier, the second city of the same name not be built smile
          1. Greenwood 13 January 2020 19: 48 New
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            If they build a city, that's not bad. It scares me more if a bureaucrat’s thread builds a yacht for the price of an aircraft carrier with the money allocated.
  • novel66 13 January 2020 11: 45 New
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    in the Russian Navy itching
    denying existence -
    they’ll take
    auto-bearing
    1. Livonetc 13 January 2020 13: 32 New
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      Quote: novel xnumx
      in the Russian Navy itching
      denying existence -
      they’ll take
      auto-bearing

      By reinforcing briefings.
      Confirm in advance.
      .
      He blurted out, that’s done.
      The result is not the main thing.
    2. Ross xnumx 13 January 2020 13: 49 New
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      Quote: novel xnumx
      In the Russian Navy, itching:
      denying existence -
      they’ll take
      aircraft carrier

      We create for the Navy
      "Carrier"
      Doesn’t give, “Yes, so that their mother”,
      Shobla is always eating.

      Adore there "loot",
      Dragging - not embarrassed.
      And everyone has a “face”
      In the "telly" does not fit.

      He likes to show us plans
      Having a public ...
      Out of the corner of my eye to see
      "Carrier" ...
  • Alexfly 13 January 2020 11: 49 New
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    if you create an aircraft carrier group, then only with an eye to use in the Northern latitudes, the protection of the north of the country leaves much to be desired.
    1. x.andvlad 13 January 2020 12: 09 New
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      I think that long ago aircraft carriers would sail in the Arctic latitudes, if that were possible.
      1. Zeev Zeev 13 January 2020 12: 56 New
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        Aircraft carriers go to the northern latitudes. American
        1. Dikson 13 January 2020 15: 27 New
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          In what northern latitudes? At the latitude of Moscow?
          1. Zeev Zeev 13 January 2020 16: 10 New
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            In the Arctic. In October 2018, the aircraft carrier "Harry Truman", who participated in the exercises in the Norwegian Sea, was beyond the Arctic Circle. I will say more, aircraft carriers in the Arctic acted during the Second World War as part of the Arctic convoys that supplied strategic materials and weapons to the USSR.
            1. Grits 14 January 2020 05: 58 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              In October 2018, the aircraft carrier "Harry Truman", who participated in the exercises in the Norwegian Sea, was beyond the Arctic Circle.

              It was ... already once. And our "Kuzya" lives there ...
              1. Zeev Zeev 14 January 2020 06: 30 New
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                Kuzya is based there. And in the last couple of years it’s generally under repair. And if you seriously think that Kuzya with all its problems can withstand a full-fledged AUG ...
                1. Grits 14 January 2020 08: 22 New
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  Kuzya is based there. And in the last couple of years it’s generally under repair. And if you seriously think that Kuzya with all its problems can withstand a full-fledged AUG ...

                  No, I don’t think so - I adequately assess the role of Kuzi.
                  Only in this way, for understanding about American aircraft carriers in the Arctic, a polar bear lives in the ice and does not freeze, eats, swims, and walks. This is his house. And to the south lives a brown bear. He, too, is well in the taiga. But in the tundra it freezes, and it cannot jump on the ice. Although, theoretically, it can, of course, get into the Arctic. True, not for long, because it will be bent from cold and hunger
                  1. Zeev Zeev 14 January 2020 19: 09 New
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                    Funny allegories, but not related to the Navy. Otherwise, your "polar bear has nothing to do in the Mediterranean, South America or Southeast Asia.
                    1. Grits 15 January 2020 01: 08 New
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                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Funny allegories, but not related to the Navy. Otherwise, your "polar bear has nothing to do in the Mediterranean, South America or Southeast Asia.

                      All right. That's why he does not go there. And if it’s climbing, then with consequences
      2. x.andvlad 13 January 2020 13: 10 New
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        Forgive me the sailors, of course, would "go" would! But I am a land person, I am excusable ...
  • Sahalinets 13 January 2020 11: 55 New
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    Is anyone else able to believe in these promises?
    1. al3x 13 January 2020 12: 11 New
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      recently, one walked, looked at models, looked at all the central ones, showed, I think deep down
  • Carib 13 January 2020 11: 58 New
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    Quote: AlexFly
    if you create an aircraft carrier group, then only with an eye to use in the Northern latitudes, the protection of the north of the country leaves much to be desired.

    In the north, it’s easier to build and maintain airfields. It is impossible to enter the Black Sea due to a nuclear power plant. Remains the Far East and the Atlantic. And here where it is more convenient to "winter" for the Atlantic, apparently the North Sea.
    1. Grits 14 January 2020 06: 00 New
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      Quote: Carib
      And here where it is more convenient to "winter" for the Atlantic, apparently the North Sea.

      It is more convenient for the Atlantic to winter in Venezuela. Or, in extreme cases, in Tartus.
  • Steen 13 January 2020 11: 58 New
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    What is this ?! Do they even read VO there or not? Avik is the same expensive barn with airplanes, floating scrap metal which can be one anti-ship missile system, etc. etc.
  • mik193 13 January 2020 12: 01 New
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    Creepy nonsense. They cannot save the existing ship’s composition, but all the same.
  • vanavatny 13 January 2020 12: 01 New
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    that is, in the foggy thirties and the aircraft carrier will be and Rogozin will fly off to Mars and Venus will live better .... and there will be no one to answer for this chatter, and in general: in modern Russia an aircraft carrier for a miserable 5 years is this nonsense?
    1. Roman070280 13 January 2020 12: 22 New
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      In the first part of your proposal lies the answer to the following question ..))
  • Andrey1903 13 January 2020 12: 03 New
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    Even if they begin to build it, then how much time, 30 years.
    1. Grits 14 January 2020 06: 03 New
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      Quote: Andrey1903
      Even if they begin to build it, then how much time, 30 years.

      You can order the construction of the Chinese. It will come out both cheaper and most importantly - much faster. Those already have experience copying our Soviet - can handle it without problems. And now, unlike us, they now have shipyards, there are specialists, they have technologies and experience. And they will build it in 5 years, if not less. We never dreamed of such a time.
  • Oleg kubanoid 13 January 2020 12: 08 New
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    this is news for the future .. for the next 5-10 years there will not be any ABs.
    neither financial nor industrial resources are currently sufficient
  • al3x 13 January 2020 12: 09 New
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    *** (why) goat button accordion?
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  • Pavel57 13 January 2020 12: 14 New
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    And what drawings did you sell to China?
    1. Piramidon 13 January 2020 15: 10 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      And what drawings did you sell to China?

      Photocopies of drawings "Kuzi"
  • Langf 13 January 2020 12: 22 New
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    The fathers were big-headed and, as if anticipating the arrival of "effective" management, did grandiose groundwork. That is why we are now alive.
  • K-50 13 January 2020 12: 26 New
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    A few days ago, Vladimir Putin was shown the concept of an aircraft carrier of the Manatee project.

    How many of them were shown and how many more will be, and "things are still there." negative
  • evgen1221 13 January 2020 12: 31 New
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    Scheme of cutting money and tricks of rubber to cover up the lack of results. Now we’ll write the performance characteristics to the nuclear submarine according to the drawings of the first avik, we will send it to the development, they will say that it is impossible to redo it and it’s easier to do it again from scratch, they will return it to the alteration, and all again in a circle. But the main thing is that the loot is muddied.
    1. donavi49 13 January 2020 13: 13 New
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      Well, somewhere like that. And insolent to the point that even Putin himself was shown the same hacky model. Where are the already defunct Soviet complexes and Yaki44 laughing . Modelka was then pasted in 93 or 94. She was gathering dust in the museum of the Nevsky Design Bureau. Now they have changed the skeleton and carry it on exhibitions, they show Putin.



      Here it comes to rebranding and cosmetics


      From the same perspective, the Manatee is for comparing changes. The mines of the nonexistent air defense system remained, the air defense system and the current shells were too lazy to change (those that are on the model have not been released for 8 years).
  • viktor_ui 13 January 2020 12: 38 New
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    another blah blah blah ... there will be another aircraft carrier at the next Lagrange point, on the far side of the moon ... in a nearby distant, distant GALAXY. After all, they themselves wrote 1000 times (wrote) that the current aircraft carriers drove the Papuans ??? Either "Back to the Future," or "Forward to the Past." We are waiting for a hybrid underwater cruiser with a bunch of underwater surface drones with their ability to reach orbital interception (can this be more realistic?)
  • Dikson 13 January 2020 12: 44 New
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    But it’s nothing that in those drawings all cable routes, pipelines, are designed for ship and machine mechanisms - of the last century ?! And the equipment that Ulyanovsk was designed for a long time ago? What shipbuilders in Russia forgot how to count ship hulls? But on Wikipedia you can’t peek .. Sadness ..
    1. Piramidon 13 January 2020 15: 13 New
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      Quote: Dikson
      What shipbuilders in Russia forgot how to count ship hulls?

      Why strain, if everything has been calculated for a long time.
    2. Grits 14 January 2020 07: 41 New
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      Quote: Dikson
      But it’s nothing that in those drawings all cable routes, pipelines, are designed for ship and machine mechanisms - of the last century ?! And the equipment that Ulyanovsk was designed for a long time ago?

      you can’t argue here - everything, of course, has changed. But. Changed not in the direction of increasing volumes, masses, sizes. But rather just the opposite. Well, for example. When he worked for the defense industry on the submarine many years ago, the racks and boxes for the equipment of some systems were huge cabinets with thick cables and large connectors. In view of the transition to digital, miniaturization of the element base, now all this will be placed in one box. And so in everything. Therefore, even more space will be left for action.
  • alex aircraft 13 January 2020 12: 47 New
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    Our plans are huge !!!! but in fact one chatter, like 2300 armature, 25 million jobs, 2020 strategy that everyone forgot about. The main imitation of work. Here we can play in the night league or fly with the Siberian Cranes !!!
  • Zaurbek 13 January 2020 12: 49 New
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    Will the catapult be there?
    1. Vadim237 13 January 2020 19: 52 New
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      It will happen - when this project is catapulted backwards for uselessness, where they developed it, large nuclear-powered icebreakers will be built now, a new destroyer, tankers, gas carriers, helicopter carriers will be laid in Kerch, corvettes, frigates of the support vessel tugs, submarines, etc. - there is no There will be no money either in the next 10 years.
      1. 3danimal 14 January 2020 21: 17 New
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        An atomic destroyer with a displacement of 18000 tons? Unrealistic.
        How many decades will it be built? But to "bring" systems and weapons? In the second half of the 21st century, apparently ...
  • Efreytor 13 January 2020 12: 49 New
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    By 2030, if our country is so rapidly "developing" there will be no industry left except for the pipe industry.
    1. Grits 14 January 2020 07: 43 New
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      Quote: Efreytor
      By 2030, if our country is so rapidly "developing" there will be no industry left except for the pipe industry.

      And even without their ships, pipe layers and even simple domestic pipe layers and tractors
  • rocket757 13 January 2020 12: 50 New
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    For the first Russian aircraft carrier, they use the drawings of the Soviet Ulyanovsk

    Is this another ... news?
  • cherkas.oe 13 January 2020 13: 01 New
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    Shaw again? There is nothing to saw, so they decided to get and sculpt the "old lady magazine" for the benefit of their wallet.
  • askort154 13 January 2020 13: 11 New
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    .... the first Russian aircraft carrier uses the drawings of the Soviet Ulyanovsk

    What a return to tracing again ?! The Chinese have already passed all this through their carbon paper and built it. Let’s thoroughly protect Russia in the near zone, and then, if the time comes, “hens aren’t pecking money,” then we will build aircraft carriers that are no longer needed.
    The time of the “battleships” has sunk into the summer, in the 20th century the “steepness of aircraft carriers” has come. Is it really not clear to anyone that this "steepness of the 20th century" does not justify its niche. The super-expensive American "prestige", in the age of space weapons - will become a serious, strategic threat to countries with modern military capabilities.
    Yes, in the multi-island region of the Asia-Pacific region, in the confrontation there between the USA, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam and China, this will be relevant for 20-30 years, but there are no military interests for Russia there. Russia there will increase its significance by building new trade routes - through the Northern Sea Route. And it will be much more profitable for Russia, economically and politically, than to build and send "smiths" there.
    But many of us have itchy hands - to get into the state treasury in order to fill our pockets.
    1. Piramidon 13 January 2020 15: 16 New
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      Quote: askort154
      What a return to tracing again ?!

      What for? Until the 30s, they will be digitized.
  • iouris 13 January 2020 13: 14 New
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    This will not help. It is necessary to use the drawings of the USSR.
  • Free wind 13 January 2020 13: 19 New
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    Why do we need an aircraft carrier? Well, why????? In the north? There is no aircraft carrier, cities are closed there, Norilsk was closed, what will happen to the aircraft carrier in the Laptev Sea? The Baltic Sea and Europe are shot through. Well, a toy for the military? Do you think about the quick-eyed? And on the Amur need tanks.
  • Ilya_Nsk 13 January 2020 13: 45 New
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    God save us from this ..
  • 75 Sergey 13 January 2020 14: 19 New
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    You can see, take note, but rework according to current realities.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi 13 January 2020 14: 25 New
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    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation expects that the contract for its construction will be ready by 2025, and the construction itself will be completed by 2030.

    I can promise that too. In 2030, and then in 2040. Anyway, no one will remember this chatter.
  • Protos 13 January 2020 15: 13 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: vorobey
    suggest do nothing?

    But here I first propose building a shipyard of the required size, which we do not have today.

    There is a shipyard since 2014, even two hi
    And even undergoing reconstruction repeat
    1. Grits 14 January 2020 07: 47 New
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      Quote: Protos
      There is a shipyard since 2014, even two

      True, only the shipyards and drawings of Ulyanovsk are not enough. The main problems are the lack of funds and specialists.
  • Protos 13 January 2020 15: 14 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: vorobey
    suggest do nothing?

    But here I first propose building a shipyard of the required size, which we do not have today.

    There is a shipyard since 2014, even two ... I suggest .. Crimea ... Kerch ... Theodosius
    And even undergoing reconstruction repeat
    Railway communication with the mainland has been launched; large-tonnage and accessories can be transported!
  • Mentat 13 January 2020 15: 24 New
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    Quote: pl675
    Quote: Antidote
    The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.


    there is already no one and nothing to come up with, for example, informational convulsions.
    rupee in two - in the next ten years, they will not give birth to an aircraft carrier.

    But at the VO forum there are a lot of brave bangs from the outskirts, eager to say how everything is bad in Russia and how it cannot do anything. How many times have these mistakes been wrong?

    By the way, your finger on the avatar does not allow any other opinions to go to what place? Where are you going there?
    1. Fishery 13 January 2020 15: 31 New
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      everyone is mistaken)))) and the lads from the outskirts and the guys from central Russia when they think that the lads are horrified how they live shitty)
  • Fishery 13 January 2020 15: 29 New
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    what global plans) can build a couple of normal floating docks, instead of a drowned one, or a pipe maker))))) but this is not global, but about an aircraft carrier you can cheat beautifully)
    1. Vadim237 13 January 2020 19: 54 New
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      Have the USSR and Russia ever built floating docks themselves?
    2. Protos 18 January 2020 21: 00 New
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      what global plans) can build a couple of normal floating docks, instead of a drowned one, or a pipe maker))))) but this is not global, but about an aircraft carrier you can cheat beautifully)

      It's simple!
      We do not generate fabulous plans for every force loss, as the non-brothers do :)
      The floating dock has already been laid in the Russian Crimea!
      A plotter is a highly specialized rarely used vessel, which contains more than two is meaningless! laughing

      You and the Crimean Bridge smelled and screamed ... but that didn’t stop us from putting it into planned operation on a project date bully
      So it will be with everything else, but you can choke on with envy and anger further and continue to come to us for permanent residence lol
      Crimea-Russia yes
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        ))) you don’t throw agitators at me) I don’t have to prove anything, ride to the Crimea as much as your heart desires, I never rest there, I try to relax in more pleasant places, and the relations between Russia and Ukraine are of no more interest to me than the estimated prices real estate, so keep your permanent residence) I have a permanent residence more than three times as much as yours))) including yours) and a specialized vessel just now would not hurt.
  • Victor March 47 13 January 2020 17: 51 New
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    The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.


    there is already no one and nothing to come up with, for example, informational convulsions.
    rupee in two - in the next ten years, they will not give birth to an aircraft carrier.


    and heard similar in armature and su 57 .. suggest not doing anything?

    Another bridge breaker. his mother ....
  • Victor March 47 13 January 2020 17: 54 New
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    and heard similar in armature and su 57 .. suggest not doing anything?

    I propose to first lay it at the shipyard, and then announce it. Together and rejoice.
    And then these paper announcements, fed up with the order.

    It is necessary to lay at the shipyard that has a set of design and technological documentation. You will build a house for yourself, not knowing where you will have an entrance, where the toilet, and where the bedroom is mother-in-law. Successes.
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      You will build a house for yourself, not knowing where you will have an entrance, where the toilet, and where the bedroom is mother-in-law. Successes.

      Why is the mother-in-law a bedroom? Is she going to sleep in the house? There is a kitchen for her
  • sergo1914 13 January 2020 19: 54 New
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    A good target will be obtained for testing hypersonic RCC. Then drive away to the White Sea and naughty for pleasure.
  • Victor1 13 January 2020 21: 11 New
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    Well, why, it’s a lot of stupidity and idiocy to make a floating airdrome like American aircraft carriers.
    In our conditions, we need an aircraft carrier such as Kuznetsov - an aircraft carrying cruiser, we do not have as many escort and support vessels, we need the concept of a powerful strike cruiser with an air wing.
    Apparently they are preparing another cut of money for bureaucrats and other gangs.
    1. Grits 14 January 2020 08: 08 New
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      In our conditions, we need an aircraft carrier such as Kuznetsov - an aircraft carrying cruiser, we do not have as many escort and support vessels, we need the concept of a powerful strike cruiser with an air wing.

      Therefore, if you already show the model of an aircraft carrier, then you need to show the model of a cruiser, destroyer, frigate. As well as the layout of the deck aircraft and the radar. Well, the layout of the base, where it will be located.
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        We did not have time to glue ... There are few specialists. In 3D graphics easier)
  • Victor March 47 13 January 2020 22: 46 New
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    I have a better suggestion - to stop living these wet dreams once and for all and turn our attention to something more substantial and socially important in the first place. And then divorced modelers and science fiction writers in the highest echelons of power.

    But there was already such a smart guy. I thought about the essentials. He gave out apartments for free to young families, free education, healthcare ..... To hell with a dog, he sent all ideas about self-defense in this muddy world. The richest country after Saudi Arabia. Muammar Gaddafi, his name. If not only do you have a foreign car (I have no doubt about this, because whoever has more is more dissatisfied), you live in your OWN apartment, then go, brother, to the USSR. Everything was social there. Free, but all the time, other people's apartments, socially tight conversations in lines for bread and sausage, free wages (in the sense of free for muscles and brains, you couldn’t do a damn thing all day). Everything is free. Even a funeral in the event of a plane crash is also free. You think, 20 rubles of assistance from the trade union committee. Is that money?
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    The need, the concept of application, and the support vessel have already been invented.


    there is already no one and nothing to come up with, for example, informational convulsions.
    rupee in two - in the next ten years, they will not give birth to an aircraft carrier.

    But at the VO forum there are a lot of brave bangs from the outskirts, eager to say how everything is bad in Russia and how it cannot do anything. How many times have these mistakes been wrong?

    By the way, your finger on the avatar does not allow any other opinions to go to what place? Where are you going there?

    Oh, how they gritted their teeth, minus the “flap”)
    Well, there, the Crimean bridge is impossible to build? :)
    If a decision is made to build an aircraft carrier, this will be done. But you grit your teeth there, remember another, something will change from this)
  • Victor March 47 14 January 2020 00: 22 New
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    For those who are not in the know, Ukrainians sold Ulyanovsk documentation to China.
    According to it, with modifications, of course, a Chinese nuclear aircraft carrier is being built.

    Documents are always stored by the developer. Copies are nothing.
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    Fifty years later ...
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    That is, in 2030 there will be an aircraft carrier built according to drawings from the 80s. That's all you need to know about cutting-edge Russian weapons)).
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  • Protos 18 January 2020 21: 07 New
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    There is a shipyard since 2014, even two

    True, only the shipyards and drawings of Ulyanovsk are not enough. The main problems are the lack of funds and specialists.

    Means are present, especially I think after the resignation of iPhone laughing
    But the specialists who built the feed (the most difficult) part of the “Menstrual” and saturate it with our same means of communication, weapons and control have not gone anywhere yes
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    everyone is mistaken)))) and the lads from the outskirts and the guys from central Russia when they think that the lads are horrified how they live shitty)

    We don’t care how you live in the forums ... we have relatives there yes
    first-hand infa laughing