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How the Su-57 accident will affect the export of new fighters: in the wake of the event in the Khabarovsk Territory

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On December 24, 2019, the fifth generation fighter T-50 (Su-57) crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory. The car fell 110 km from the Dzemgi airfield, which is used by the Gagarin Aircraft Plant. The pilot ejected and was evacuated.


Naturally, the crash of a new Russian aircraft could not fail to attract the attention of foreign media. Although the fallen Su-57 was not a military aircraft, but belonged to the aircraft factory. The National Interest publication published a separate article “Why did the Russian Su-57 crash?” In which it tried not only to find out the reasons for what happened, but to establish whether the program for creating a fifth-generation Russian fighter would be in jeopardy.

Indeed, the accident immediately left many questions. Firstly, it was the first such accident with a fifth-generation fighter. Prior to that, all similar aircraft successfully passed tests, and nothing happened to them.

Secondly, the picture of the incident is noteworthy. During testing, the plane went into a tailspin, the pilot tried to restore manual control, but he did not succeed. As a result, the pilot catapulted and, fortunately, was not injured. But the plane crashed into the ground and exploded.

Thus, the car was completely destroyed. And this is a few days before the new aircraft was supposed to enter the service in the military unit. Naturally, the circumstances of the accident are now being thoroughly investigated by a special military commission.

The new aircraft has a multi-level system of protection against entering critical flight mode, including uncontrolled rotation. Just one button, in theory, you need to press the pilot to level the flight of his winged car. But problems with the engine and fuel system, as well as the pilot’s mistake, are not excluded. Indeed, it takes time to master a complex control system for a new aircraft.

Of course, the author of The National Interest, Sebastian Roblin, was most interested in the question of whether the reduction in the supply of aircraft to the troops in the quantity that was planned would follow the accident in the Far East. Comparing the Su-57 with the American F-35 fighter, the magazine is trying to bring everything to the point that the American machine is more reliable, since the first F-35 crash occurred after more than a hundred Lockheed aircraft were already in operation.

However, Roblin makes a reservation that the Su-57 still develops a higher speed than the F-35, although the undoubted advantage of the latter is that it is designed to penetrate the enemy airspace, and the Su-57 is still called to dominate the sky over neutral or friendly territory.

Predicting possible problems with the implementation of the Su-57 program, the publication notes several key factors. First of all, this is a financial issue. Moscow, according to the author of the foreign media, supposedly does not have money to order more than 12 new generation aircraft, which indicates great financial problems.

Another hit on the program is the exit of India from India, which has always been considered one of the most important partners of Russia in the field of arms trade and military equipment. Despite the fact that the new aircraft was also offered to other important buyers - China and Algeria, as well as a new partner - Turkey, which had already bought the S-400 and for this lost the opportunity to acquire the American F-35 fighter, while the fate of foreign contracts remains unclear. If India, China, Algeria and, possibly, Turkey show interest in the latest fighter and order military vehicles from Russia, then the program will get a “new breath”.

The incident in the Khabarovsk Territory cast a shadow on the Su-57 control system, since now potential buyers may doubt that the aircraft control system has been improved to the maximum perfection. And, of course, it is in the interests of the manufacturer to carry out the necessary work on the errors, to identify the true causes of the accident, since technical malfunctions are one thing, and the human factor or fuel problems are another.
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  1. thanks
    thanks 13 January 2020 11: 43
    -1
    Quote: Military Review * Analytics
    However, Roblin makes a reservation that the Su-57 still develops a higher speed than the F-35, although an unconditional advantage the latter is that it is designed to penetrate into the airspace of the enemy, and the Su-57 is still called to dominate in the sky over neutral or friendly territory.

    Unlikely! Time will tell. The average image intensifier = 0,3 m2 is not very small ... F-117 fragments have long been investigated by Russian specialists, and not only in Yugoslavia.
  2. letinant
    letinant 13 January 2020 11: 43
    +16
    Indeed, the accident immediately left many questions. Firstly, it was the first such accident with a fifth-generation fighter. Prior to that, all similar aircraft successfully passed tests, and nothing happened to them.
    Are you seriously!

    Accidents and catastrophes of the F-22 Raptor fighter

    On the night of November 16, 2012, an F-22 Raptor fighter crashed onto a highway in Florida in the southeastern United States. The incident took place near the Tyndall Air Force Base south of Panama City, Florida. The pilot managed to eject, he was hospitalized. No other casualties or casualties were reported.

    On November 16, 2010, an F-22A Raptor with tail number 06-4125 crashed in Alaska. The aircraft, assigned to the 525th Squadron of the 3rd Air Wing (Elmendorf-Richardson base, Alaska), crashed 160 km from Anchorage during a training flight. The pilot Jeffrey Haney did not manage to eject and was killed.

    On March 25, 2009, the F-22A (serial number 91-4008) crashed in the Mojave Desert of California, 35 kilometers northeast of the Edwards Air Force Base during a test flight. Pilot David Cooley, a 49-year-old veteran with 21 years of piloting experience, died.

    On December 20, 2004, the F-22A (serial number 00-4014) crashed during takeoff from the Nellis Air Base (Nevada), and the pilot ejected.

    On April 25, 1992, the prototype YF-22A (serial number 87-0701) crashed while landing at Edwards Air Force Base and was decommissioned. The accident occurred due to deficiencies in the aircraft control system.

    I am silent about the F-35, the car is damp. Its refinement is ongoing along with supplies to the troops, constant modernization of both the hardware itself and the software.
    F-35B, engines are burning, corrosion, filling.

    F-35C, the pilots beat their head against the flashlight, and they are still fighting, filling.

    About the F-35A, the hardware is still silent, but how many blocks of brain modernization they already have. I got confused in everyone.
    Japanese Air Force, one plane has already been lost, the reason is unclear.

    And this is just what comes up, and what else is hushed up!
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 13 January 2020 11: 46
      +3
      Quote: letinant
      Prior to that, all similar aircraft successfully passed tests, and nothing happened to them.

      the author probably meant our planes
      1. letinant
        letinant 13 January 2020 11: 47
        +2
        And what are ours? We have the first plane of this 5th generation.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 13 January 2020 11: 48
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          Quote: letinant
          We have the first plane of this 5th generation.

          but he is not the only one
          1. letinant
            letinant 13 January 2020 11: 48
            +3
            Which one else? You know.
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 13 January 2020 11: 49
              +4
              Quote: letinant
              Which one else? You know.

              Do you think (are sure) that we have it in a single copy today? belay
              1. letinant
                letinant 13 January 2020 11: 54
                +2
                You answer a question with a question. Please tell me which company, besides the Sukhoi Design Bureau, is developing a fifth-generation aircraft in the Russian Federation. The interpretation of the author's thoughts does not interest me. Direct question, direct answer!
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 13 January 2020 11: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: letinant
                  You answer a question with a question

                  holidays ?? ... I wrote to you that of all flying SU-57 only this one fell !! I think this is what the author meant! what is not clear??
                  1. letinant
                    letinant 13 January 2020 12: 00
                    0
                    The author talks about the FIFTH GENERATION !!! And not about the board (for example) 16.
                    1. Tiksi-3
                      Tiksi-3 13 January 2020 12: 04
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                      Quote: letinant
                      The author talks about the FIFTH GENERATION !!!

                      it means all the same holidays ((.... the author writes to you that of all the released (flying) su -57, only this one fell, the rest fly without incident! What else to chew?
                      1. letinant
                        letinant 13 January 2020 12: 10
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                        "Firstly, it was the first such accident with a fifth generation fighter."

                        The fifth generation fighter only with us? Is Russian your native language ?!
                        If it was written, one of the SU-57 aircraft, then another question. And why are you tearing up your voice, lawyer or editor of the author of this EPOS?
                      2. Astronaut
                        Astronaut 13 January 2020 12: 25
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                        The article is translated, translation inaccuracies are possible and therefore this phrase can be interpreted in two ways
                      3. Voyager
                        Voyager 13 January 2020 15: 42
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                        The article is about the Su-57. Obviously, we are talking about the Su-57 accident, as the first with an aircraft of this class in Russia, operating in the fact that there were no such problems with these aircraft in testing.

                        It is clear that you tried, searched and copied here information about the problem tests of Western aircraft, and therefore you continue to insist on your own, but this is simply meaningless: there are no obvious errors and inaccuracies in this text in this context.
                      4. letinant
                        letinant 13 January 2020 15: 57
                        +3
                        You really can not read in Russian.

                        "Firstly, it was the first such accident with a fifth generation fighter."

                        Where the pancake is a link to a car model, or for the first time in Russia. Read carefully, this error in the construction of the proposal (if you are right) is indicated not only by me !!! What school did you go to ?!


                        PS Finding this information about aircraft accidents is not difficult if you are dealing with the topic of aviation. And to be honest, the author is not in the subject at all, the article is empty and, as indicated above by one of the readers, a simple reprint of "NI" With poorly edited, inserted sentences from himself.
                      5. Voyager
                        Voyager 13 January 2020 17: 23
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                        I read the text and understood everything, what I did wrong?

                        Please re-read the last sentence of my previous post again. Don't you find that everyone understood everything (including you, since you so zealously correct this text for "more correct") and that this question is not worth a damn?

                        And what about the search for information, so now any student with the Internet can. The question is that I personally would be sorry to spend a minute on copy-paste of the accident chronicle to prove that the author of the news or the translator of the original made some kind of erroneous trifle.
                      6. letinant
                        letinant 14 January 2020 04: 17
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                        Because you are lazy, because you do not understand.
            2. knn54
              knn54 13 January 2020 12: 00
              -1
              In Syria, tested. This aircraft is the first of a production batch.
              We can answer in the affirmative when new engines and weapons appear.
              And after operation in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
        2. svp67
          svp67 13 January 2020 12: 40
          +2
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          the author probably meant our planes

          Quote: letinant
          And what are ours? We have the first plane of this 5th generation.

          Well, not really ... We had planes that we attributed to the fifth generation and which flew to Su57

          1. letinant
            letinant 13 January 2020 14: 19
            +1
            The MIG-AT and SU-47 are not 5th generation aircraft, they have a different architecture. There are excellent books about these design bureaus, published by "Tekhnika Molodezhi". About OKB "Sukhoi", it says directly that the SU-47 is a "Laboratory" machine for modernization of the 4th generation. MIG-AT, it does not use technologies to reduce the RCS, the main thing is maneuverability and supersonic cruising speed.
            1. svp67
              svp67 13 January 2020 14: 51
              +1
              Quote: letinant
              MIG-AT

              And where do you see him there?

              There is a MiG 1.44 which was created in the USSR under the program for the creation of a fifth generation fighter
              Quote: letinant
              it doesn’t use EPR reduction technologies, the main thing is maneuverability and supersonic cruising speed.

              You recall the claims to the Su-57, about why he is not a fifth generation fighter?
              1. letinant
                letinant 13 January 2020 15: 31
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                At first, 1.44 was called that, during the first roll out of the hangar. And within a year after it. It was back in the 90s. I have somewhere an article with a photograph left.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 13 January 2020 15: 37
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                  Quote: letinant
                  At first, 1.44 was called that, during the first roll out of the hangar

                  I will not argue, just wondering how in this case the AT decrypted.
                  In the case of a modern MiG-AT, this is "Advanced Trainer"
                  1. letinant
                    letinant 13 January 2020 15: 45
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                    I don’t remember finding an article, writing.
          2. Voyager
            Voyager 13 January 2020 15: 45
            +1
            1.44 and Su-47 did not take place both fifth-generation fighters, and remained prototypes and LL in single copies.
            1. svp67
              svp67 13 January 2020 15: 46
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              Quote: Voyager
              1.44 and Su-47 did not take place both fifth-generation fighters, and remained prototypes and LL in single copies.

              Nevertheless, they were tested and did not suffer accidents.
      2. anykin
        anykin 13 January 2020 12: 02
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        Quote: Tiksi-3
        the author probably meant our planes

        Maybe he did, but wrote as best he could)
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 13 January 2020 12: 04
          +3
          Quote: anykin
          Maybe he did, but wrote as best he could)

          I agree, but it seemed to me that he meant ours
          1. Astronaut
            Astronaut 13 January 2020 12: 26
            +1
            I also read about our planes ... Who is thinking about what ...
            1. letinant
              letinant 13 January 2020 14: 21
              +2
              It is necessary to write normally, then there will be no misunderstandings.
  3. Air force
    Air force 13 January 2020 12: 36
    +4
    Another bullshit from "The National Interest", how can one accident, seriously affect the whole program of development and production of 5th generation aircraft. The walls of the newspaper in schools are even more reasoned and look more serious than this article. It seems that the author needs to write something and he flips through the Internet search engine from the flashlight, pokes at events, the T-50 (SU-57) crash fell and rushed: we throw templates in "Russia has no money", "problems with financing", "F -35 cooler "," India abandoned the program "," Turkey bought the S400 "," the plane fell, the end of the program "," Algeria is the last hope. " The article is ready, get your signature.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 January 2020 13: 02
      +2
      Easy. Look at Boeing in fact, one small miscalculation led to the inversion of a whole line of aircraft, which have nowhere to store, and you can’t fly until you clear them and are certified again.

      Also here. If this is a technical jamb of a deep level (and not Mikhail, he was in a hurry to hand over the shift and scored on the schedule during maintenance / assembly of this particular board) - then the terms can be from a couple of months to a couple of years.
      1. letinant
        letinant 13 January 2020 14: 30
        +3
        With Boeing, there is more than one miscalculation. There, a set of measures was taken to hide dangerous defects. Starting from an unsolved problem, jamming the rudder in some extreme position (2 first-order aircraft were lost, the control system has not been changed to this day), the reason has not been found so far. And ending with simulators, in the software of which the true parameters were distorted in contrast to the real ones. This is all revealed during verification now, by the aviation security services. Keep track of the information.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 January 2020 14: 47
          +2
          No, well, or rather - this would not have happened if one fatal miscalculation in the new line did not happen.

          Now the FAA / NTSB is pulling out all dirty laundry from the basement corners. If the deception of the control organs had not been revealed almost immediately, then perhaps the Boeing would get off easier.

          Well, the Su-57 is also not safe from this. Again, if it turns out that the problem is deep - it will take quite a while. Plus, they will begin to find out how the problem went past control at intermediate stages - if it was predictable. Or it was unpredictable, then it will be contributed. In general, this is from a couple of months of delay (if it turns out that Mikhalych hacked to pass the shift) to years (if it turns out that this is precisely a technical miscalculation).
  4. Romka
    Romka 13 January 2020 12: 38
    +2
    An article from the category "forward steam locomotive". Let's discuss the export of the sixth generation to the countries of North Africa.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 13 January 2020 12: 49
    0
    in the interests of the manufacturer to carry out the necessary work on the errors, to identify the true causes of the accident,

    Ha, this is obvious, you can’t imagine that it could be incredible.
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS 13 January 2020 12: 55
    0
    Well, articles on VO more and more resemble articles of Majumunt, that is, about nothing.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 14 January 2020 02: 52
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Well, articles on VO more and more resemble articles of Majumunt, that is, about nothing.

      Below is a comment with a similar meaning and "minus". Yes, ask yourself ... arthropods.
  7. Captain45
    Captain45 13 January 2020 13: 37
    -1
    On December 24, 2019, the fifth generation fighter T-50 (Su-57) crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory. The car fell 110 km from the Dzemgi airfield, which is used by the Gagarin Aircraft Plant. The pilot ejected and was evacuated.
    Naturally, the crash of a new Russian aircraft could not fail to attract the attention of foreign media.
    (C)
    Write less and the reaction will be appropriate. Who needs to know about this incident and so know, and the rest do not need to. For example, even when the Pakhtakor team died in a plane crash, there was a small obituary note in Izvestia, and that was the end of it. And now a month has passed, and here they are chewing the whole topic. What does an American spy do when he comes from a bar? He opens the Internet and here is a note about the Su-57. "Ltd !" thinks spies and gives out information about the problems of Russians, along the way shares this with the NYT correspondent, and he, under the guise of an exclusive, issues an article with his bells and whistles, to eat hotzza. And voila, a lot of noise out of the blue. Ugh ...
  8. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 13 January 2020 15: 34
    0
    States for many years can not establish their fives. And the Su-57 has just begun its journey. There is no reception against scrap. Well, the drive burst from overload or defect, etc. - Technologies will be debugged for a long time. Drying will fly. And then the sixes. No need to slow down.
  9. Voyager
    Voyager 13 January 2020 15: 45
    +1
    Yeah, but they have outdated information regarding "no more than 12" ...
  10. Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 19 January 2020 14: 19
    0
    That you ran into this accident. You might think that only in Russia it happens. There are such cases everywhere, especially during a test flight where the plane is subjected to overloads.