Military Review

Caucasian call

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In July, for the first time in many years, 150 youths from the Chechen Republic were called up for military service. It is planned that they will give up their military duty in the 249-m special motorized battalion of the internal troops of Russia. This part is stationed in Chechnya on a permanent basis. News about the "Chechen appeal" requires serious attention for several reasons.

First, a full-fledged recruiting campaign in one of the most problematic Russian regions has not been carried out since the 1991 year. And the appeal of twenty years ago passed before the collapse of the Soviet Union. After the proclamation of the de facto independent Chechen Republic of Ichkeria and the beginning of many years of confrontation between the separatists and the central Russian government, which was also accompanied by numerous intra-Chechen confrontations, there could be no recruiting campaigns on a regular basis. For them, it was necessary to establish a full-fledged state presence in the republic. This task is still not fully resolved today, since the work of power institutions is often replaced by personal and informal decision-making and coordination mechanisms. And today it is premature to say that the full-fledged appeal has returned to Chechnya.

Inter-ethnic incidents in military units are no longer exotic


So, according to the republican military registration and enlistment office, the number of citizens of draft age in the territory under their jurisdiction is about 80 thousand people. At the same time, the problem of military service by recruits from Chechnya beyond its borders has not been solved yet. However, recognizing all these facts, it is impossible not to see a certain dynamic. In September last year, the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Vasily Smirnov, stated that the autumn draft in Chechnya must pass, as in other regions of the Russian Federation. In fact, the whole campaign has been reduced to only two procedures - medical examination and registration of potential recruits. In July of this year even a modest step forward was made. Next year, the number of recruits is planned to increase at least twice compared with the current figure.

It is also impossible to ignore all previous attempts to organize an appeal from Chechnya. Meanwhile, they were undertaken even during the second anti-separatist campaign in 2000. Then the order 20 man was sent to serve in a military unit in the Moscow region. However, this experience was not crowned with success due to conflicts on a national basis. A second attempt to organize a call was made in 2002. Chechen conscripts were sent to units in the Voronezh and Saratov regions. The result was also disappointing. After another five years, attempts to make a call from Chechnya caused a lively discussion and even tough hostility within the republic. Well-known officials and public figures (most likely, not without the approval of the republican authorities) opposed the service of conscripts in the internal regions of the Russian Federation. At the same time in such units as the battalions "North", "South", "East", "West" ethnic Chechens served under the contract. In August 2008, the Vostok battalion took part in the “five-day war” with Georgia.

Secondly, the July appeal of this year in Chechnya passed shortly after the appearance in the media of information from a "high-ranking source." 18 June RIA "Novosti", citing an anonymous representative of the Ministry of Defense reported that this year, recruits from the North Caucasus republics (including, of course, Chechnya) will not be recruited into the ranks of the armed forces. It was also reported that conscripts from the North Caucasus who reside in other Russian regions will avoid invoking. At the same time, such a decision was motivated by the alleged need to resist the "community groups" built on the ethnic principle and non-statutory relations.

It must be said that this kind of "authoritative opinions" have already been voiced in the media more than once. And not always on condition of anonymity. So, 15 of April last year at a press conference devoted to the next spring draft, military commissar of the Chelyabinsk region Nikolay Zakharov made a sensational statement. According to the military commissar, people from the North Caucasian republics should not be drafted into the ranks of the Russian army. At the same time, in his speech, a high-ranking official in uniform referred to the appropriate order from the General Staff, explaining this decision by the need to reduce inter-ethnic tensions in the military environment. The presence of a certain "secret directive" allegedly prepared by the Russian generals was widely discussed by journalists. Subsequently, representatives of the Ministry of Defense denied the very existence of the "North Caucasian directive."

And, nevertheless, from time to time from the military department there are statements that can be interpreted as a certain "probing of the soil." Or, as proof of the fact that the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff have not yet developed a certain single line of conduct with regard to draftees from problem republics. Surely the idea of ​​introducing certain restrictions on the call of immigrants from the North Caucasus is discussed in the army's top. Add to this and from time to time arising discussions about the introduction of mono-ethnic military units.

Meanwhile, in March last year, the head of the military prosecutor’s office, Sergey Fridinsky, bluntly stated that today in the barracks "national gangs are putting their order in order," while noting the special role of all the same Caucasians. According to the military prosecutor of the Baltic fleet Colonel Sergei Tsipushtanov, due to the suspension of military service from the North Caucasus, the number of incidents in the Navy decreased by almost a third.

In fact, inter-ethnic incidents in Russian military units and subunits involving immigrants from the republics of the North Caucasus, unfortunately, are no longer exotic. Too many facts do not speak, but shout about it. In 2009, a case broke out in the Baltic Fleet with the participation of Dagestan conscripts. A year later, a mass brawl involving people from the Caucasus took place in a military unit near Moscow. A similar incident happened in the Perm region, where 120 servicemen from the North Caucasus republics refused to obey the order. As a result, even had to turn to local representatives of the Muslim clergy. Thus, it cannot be said that the opinion of various representatives of military structures originated from scratch.

Conscripts repeat the type of relationship that we see on a nationwide scale.


But the army is not a separate planet. This is just a cut of the entire state. And if the state policy in the North Caucasus itself is focused not so much on its comprehensive integration into the all-Russian social and political processes, but rather on maintaining loyalty from the local elites, then why should we expect from draftees a fundamentally different behavior? They simply repeat at their level the type of relationship that we, alas, often see on a nationwide scale. As the Russian federal official lets the situation in the republics of the Caucasus take a chance, by making amendments for “local peculiarities,” so does an officer or a sergeant enter the barracks. As a result, the power vacuum is filled with non-statutory relations, where the law of force becomes the law.

Today, the Russian army faces the same choice as the Russian state. Or she takes on the task of integrating the North Caucasian draftees, bringing order to the barracks, that is, carrying out the same deprivatization of power. Or she, moving away from solving acute problems, is promoting “separatism in uniform”. Nor will we forget about the social significance of an institution like the army. In a poly-ethnic state, it becomes an essential tool for the integration of different segments of society. We should not forget that for the labor-surplus Caucasus, with its high unemployment, the army has always been a social elevator. Removing it means not only depriving yourself of potential allies, but also gaining the growth of an extremist underground.

Note that the experience of solving such problems is by no means unique. After the murder of the famous Negro preacher and human rights activist Martin Luther King, blacks and white soldiers of the US Army left their positions in Vietnam and went to a "showdown" between themselves. At the same time, in April 1968, the center of Washington, after a series of racial riots, did not look any better than the center of Grozny in 1995. However, large-scale government work to integrate different segments of America into one political nation and overcome segregation yielded results. Nowadays, the “racial issue” remains an extremely complex social, but not topical political issue.

It is also necessary to understand that overcoming army "dedovshchina" and interethnic tension will be successful only when the state system as a whole takes the path of healing, strengthening the rule of law, law and order and eradicating the dictatorship of the notorious "fifth point". Only in this case, conscription will cease to be a "premonition of civil war." And it will be filled with the content of the constitutional obligation of all citizens of the country.
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  1. understudy
    understudy 20 July 2012 10: 52
    +1
    Another "common man" who talks about what he has never encountered in real life.
    But if you look back, then the indicated problem arose just after the elimination of the "fifth column" in the passport. Before that, somehow no one really bothered with their national self-identification and other "holocaust". Until recently, the notorious 282 article was not, as well as encyclopedias were not subjected to gross sequestration for the sake of dubious expediency.
    1. soldat1945
      soldat1945 20 July 2012 13: 08
      +9
      An article about another, the only clever thing the EBN did was the abandonment of military contingents in the North Caucasus republics, these centers with Slavic nationalities are the only connecting link with the Caucasian peoples, since the civilian population of Slavic nationalities left a mass, but it was removed and it turned out that The difference between the mentality and the simultaneous weakening of the officer corps in the army was not connected with the rest of Russia by the state institutes of the Caucasus. The authorities signed an ethnic conflict that they could not solve, and simply blocked access to the army of conscripts from the Caucasus.
      From my own experience I’ll say that you can also command Caucasians, but for this you need to work very closely with personnel, there are even more methods of pressure on them. It should be noted a general decrease in the moral and business qualities of Russian children, especially those from the central regions, who are physically weak, inclined to slavish submission to stronger ones, out of a call of 600-700 people, a maximum of 100 are something that others can and can stand up for themselves; , and complain to mothers that they are being offended, etc.
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 20 July 2012 16: 56
      +2
      It's time to write an article "Karelian call" though it will strongly contrast with reports that the call plan has been fulfilled recourse
      http://demotivation.me/je1j64d3izwwpic.html
  2. grizzlir
    grizzlir 20 July 2012 10: 56
    +24
    It’s not clear why training potential militants. We must honestly admit that Chechens will never defend the interests of Russia. In Soviet times, they were poorly kept ideologically, now they are paid a generous tribute to them. In the event of a global conflict between Russia and another country, they will turn their weapons against the Russians. Hitler analysts relied on Chechen fighters and they were not mistaken if we compare the scanty number of Chechens who fought on the fronts with the Nazis and the number of fighters who went into the mountains, formed detachments and fought against the Russians.
    1. rauf
      rauf 20 July 2012 11: 10
      -5
      Today you say it about the North Caucasians, tomorrow you will be about the Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts .... then release everyone and live within the borders of Kievan Rus. stretch for a long time without oil and gas?
      1. Nickname
        Nickname 20 July 2012 11: 52
        +14
        Do not distort! Here the Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts do not touch and do not speak for them. Come on facts. Chechnya does not want to live peacefully, so let's solve this fucking problem.
        But you don’t have to pile everything!
        1. Oleg0705
          Oleg0705 20 July 2012 12: 14
          0
          Quote: Nickname
          Chechnya does not want to live peacefully


          Understand first who put it on the rails of war is not Russia itself? Leaving there warehouses with weapons, aviation, etc.
          1. Nickname
            Nickname 20 July 2012 12: 32
            +5
            I agree, it was a monstrous mistake.
          2. Grumbler
            Grumbler 20 July 2012 14: 04
            +2
            Kind
            Oleg0705, did you understand what you wrote yourself? There are warehouses with weapons in Tatarstan, Bashkiria and further down the list ... Based on your logic, there should be a long time to "explode" there.
            1. Oleg0705
              Oleg0705 20 July 2012 14: 41
              0
              Kind
              Grumbler, I realized that I wrote if you think that the nature of what I wrote is extremist, then contact the site administration to delete my post, I will not mind. However, everything in those years happened exactly as written above, military units were abandoned to their fate without support and cover. And where does the republic you listed? Now another power, another time, another policy. smile
            2. dark_65
              dark_65 20 July 2012 14: 56
              +3
              already explodes a little ..... so far a little.
              if the government does not find a normal ideology. acceptable to all, well, or almost ... then it will explode specifically.
              1. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 20 July 2012 15: 12
                -1
                Quote: dark_65
                explodes little by little


                Well, while ammunition depots are exploding, the managers of which have sold the property entrusted to them laughingand do not worry about the rest.
          3. Ustas
            Ustas 20 July 2012 15: 04
            +5
            Quote: Oleg0705
            Understand first who put it on the rails of war is not Russia itself?
            Well, Yeltsin is not Russia yet. As for the article and the entire Caucasus, it is necessary to study the experience of the Russian Empire in the development of the Caucasus.
            1. Oleg0705
              Oleg0705 20 July 2012 15: 21
              -2
              Quote: Ustas
              Well, Yeltsin is not Russia yet.

              Well, who recognized him as his president at that time? Residents of Burkina Faso? laughing


              Quote: Ustas
              it is necessary to study the experience of the Russian Empire in the development of the Caucasus.


              yes
        2. castaneda
          castaneda 20 July 2012 14: 41
          0
          Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts, Buryats and other nationalities, seeing that the Chechens have left the identity, will want independence. Then the collapse.
      2. cc-20
        cc-20 20 July 2012 12: 12
        +4
        In Russia, more than 80% are Slavs, so do not be afraid that we will remain within the borders of Kievan Rus, which by the way in Ukraine, surrounding the Novgorod lands. That some Tatarstan will separate, in which 50% of Russians, don’t grind, will soon crush the presumptuous national leaders. Only the generation of Russians brought up in Soviet internationalism will come down and then we'll see.
        1. Oleg0705
          Oleg0705 20 July 2012 12: 58
          -1
          Quote: cc-20
          Only the generation of Russians brought up in Soviet internationalism will come down and then we'll see.


          we will stretch out for a long time and pass in time laughing
        2. dark_65
          dark_65 20 July 2012 14: 57
          +1
          you are an optimist.
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 20 July 2012 15: 09
            -5
            how could you not get far on pessimism smile
      3. ZAVET
        ZAVET 20 July 2012 12: 22
        +11
        We live on our RUSSIAN LAND who do not like UEB ......
        1. castaneda
          castaneda 20 July 2012 14: 43
          +4
          Do you want to say that the Caucasus is the Russian land? ...
          1. io_stalin
            io_stalin 20 July 2012 21: 27
            +9
            CAUCASUS - This is the CAUCASUS.
            This is the Russian Federation.
            This is the USSR.
            This is the Russian Empire.
            The Russian tradition has always been in the DEVELOPMENT of the peoples inhabiting the HUGE country.
            In this community, the identity of the Chechen people is on a par with Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Bashkirs, and many, many others ....
            We are a GREAT COUNTRY.
            WE ARE RUSSIAN EMPIRE.
            We are one, we are RUSSIAN, we are Chechens, we are Ukrainian, we are Mordovians, we are Evenks, we are Bashkirs, we are Tatars, we are Chuvash, we are Armenians, we are Azerbaijanis, we are Udmurts ............... .............

            WE ARE ONE COUNTRY

            The collapse of Russia-no.
            1. kosmos84
              kosmos84 23 July 2012 19: 38
              0
              golden words drinks drinks drinks good
        2. dark_65
          dark_65 20 July 2012 14: 59
          -3
          strong in geography are the Mari, Cheremis, Mordva, Tatars, Chuvashs, Evenks, Buryats, Mongols, Twins,
          the curators of the Caucasus ... and? how. show me a piece of Russian land.
          even the area of ​​the Stavropol Territory. and that cannot be objectively considered Russian.
          1. ZAVET
            ZAVET 20 July 2012 16: 43
            0
            The state is a natural form of the people's existence. Hierarchy and protection of one’s territory are inherent programs of behavior of most species. RUSSIA - THE STATE - THE UNION OF THE RUSSIANS (without dividing into Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians).
            All the land of the RUSSIAN STATE - RUSSIAN LAND.
            There is NO and WILL NOT be another in RUSSIA.
          2. io_stalin
            io_stalin 20 July 2012 22: 05
            +2
            NOT IN GEOGRAPHY.
            And in Love for the MOTHERLAND,
            I found out that I
            There is a huge family
            And the path and the line
            In the field every spikelet
            River, sky blue
            This is all my own
            This is my homeland,
            I love all in the world!
        3. Jungar
          Jungar 20 July 2012 21: 50
          +3
          One Russian from Moscow served in my company, when the time came for a demobilization, he waited a week until his mother came for him. And there were a bunch of others, not much better than him. And seven Chechens came and beat almost the entire company, and no one squealed. So it was, and it is funny to me when someone screams RUSSIAN LAND for the Russians. My fellow countrymen, Buryat Russians, NEVER TELL THAT, at least those I know, and we were mountains in the army like brothers, and no one could break us. So who are the real Russians? This Muscovite? Or ZAVET with your slogan? Or my fellow countrymen, Russian brothers? We all love Russia, it is our homeland, but this slogan can kill it.
    2. GG2012
      GG2012 20 July 2012 12: 14
      +9
      I agree with you.
      1. Nickname
        Nickname 20 July 2012 12: 35
        +4
        Damn, look into the eyes of anyone who is minus!
        1. Oleg0705
          Oleg0705 20 July 2012 12: 53
          0
          Quote: Nickname
          Damn, look into the eyes of anyone who is minus!


          maybe I wasn’t remembering what
      2. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 20 July 2012 14: 31
        +3
        besides the words- bastards and insolents, there is nothing to say to this photo!
      3. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 21 July 2012 18: 51
        -2
        It is not clear to me why this "piece" is receiving positive responses. laughing
    3. Docker76
      Docker76 20 July 2012 12: 17
      +4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e14gbvoGZkQ&feature=youtu.be
      ....watch .....
    4. dark_65
      dark_65 20 July 2012 14: 52
      +5
      Chechens are anyone, but not fools .. they cannot survive without Russia, but they will not want to go under someone else. Another question is how to find a language with them? This is problematic, but possible.
      If we approach the issue completely, and how would you yourself feel about the Tatar-Mongols, after two hundred years?
      After all, we came to them in due time, and if it’s poor and poor, under the tsar, how everything went. Then the last 50-70 ... you know.
      dialogue on any to establish. here only it is necessary to begin with oneself. with our youth ...
    5. Fidain
      Fidain 20 July 2012 17: 30
      -2
      In order for Russia to flourish, harmony between the religions and the peoples of the Russian Federation is needed, it is not easy to head the country, it is a bit big, the vet always thinks that it will "offend" everyone else. or races you so then we will answer <like this> and off we go, no need for atomic bombs, the invasion of the Russian Federation will not stun. And in this no one but the citizen of Russia will not be to blame ...
      1. kNow
        kNow 21 July 2012 14: 30
        -1
        Quote: Fidain
        In order for Russia to flourish, harmony between the religions and the peoples of the Russian Federation is needed, it is not easy to head the country, it is a bit big, the vet always thinks that it would "offend" everyone else. or races you so then we will answer <like this> and off we go, no need for atomic bombs, no invasion of the Russian Federation will not start.


        You write beautifully, but if you also understand ....
  3. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 20 July 2012 11: 12
    +15
    The task of the army is to educate and educate the defender of the Motherland, and not to integrate the savage into modern society. The savage is not ready for integration - let him sit in his aul.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 20 July 2012 14: 27
      0
      eh bent, and if the political instructor still manages to guide the true path?
      After all, the army must educate the defender of the homeland in man.
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 20 July 2012 15: 54
        +2
        Quote: cth; fyn
        political instructor

        no more such class in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
        Quote: cth; fyn
        able to guide the true path?

        this is mom, dad and imam should do.
  4. anchonsha
    anchonsha 20 July 2012 11: 22
    +2
    The history of the Caucasus is full of unpleasant moments in relations with Russia. But time goes on, the Soviet period showed good relations between nations. The post-Soviet period turned out to be again military due to the fact that some leaders decided to secede from Russia from the supply of foreign countries. The Caucasus is a knot of various contradictions that can only be resolved within Russia. And Russia is more profitable than constantly fighting the Caucasus. And driving in wedges with such comments as those located between the Caucasus and Russia is a short-sightedness, if not hostile action against Russia itself.
    1. Evgeny B.
      Evgeny B. 20 July 2012 17: 37
      +3
      anchonsha.
      It is necessary to educate our Russian youth within the framework of OUR TRADITION, and what do we see - the American cult of the golden calf ?, disrespect for elders, fallen morals ... From this point of view - the Caucasus - by its opposition indicates to us the wrong choice of path and this is its positive impact on us. The only question is whether we can understand this, or we, distraught from the Western agitation of an easy life, will finally cease to exist. We are not the West, we are different, and the Caucasus is trying to inspire us (call it whatever you want - backward, wild, etc.), it is trying to bring us back to OUR path, albeit with difficult means for us to understand. Therefore, the root of the problem is in ourselves. This needs to be understood as soon as possible.
  5. understudy
    understudy 20 July 2012 11: 23
    0
    Quote: rauf
    stretch for a long time without oil and gas?

    Uh-huh. And how long will they last with their "independence", being inside Russia, despite the fact that the lion's share of the population of the republics belongs to the Slavs? To a stupid question and the answer is the same.
    The problem is not nationality, but through what and how it asserts itself.
    1. Nickname
      Nickname 20 July 2012 12: 41
      +1
      Doubler, but he will immediately say - America will not give us an abyss!
  6. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 20 July 2012 11: 26
    +3
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    The task of the army is to educate and educate the defender of the Motherland, and not to integrate the savage into modern society. The savage is not ready for integration - let him sit in his aul.

    but he does not sit in the aul, he imposes his "savage laws" on society sad
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 20 July 2012 11: 47
      0
      Quote: sanyabasik
      but he does not sit in the aul, he imposes his "savage laws" on society

      Here society must protect itself by all conventional and non-conventional methods and drive savages into their villages.
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 20 July 2012 12: 06
        +2
        .
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        all conventional and non-conventional methods and drive savages into their villages.



        Strange you to drive into the auls, are we Shtatovs? It was they who drove the Indians on the reservation and destroyed. Unforgettable, these are your fellow citizens.
        1. Grumbler
          Grumbler 20 July 2012 14: 19
          +4
          Quote: Oleg0705
          Unforgettable, these are your fellow citizens

          You consider them to be your fellow citizens, but they do not consider you to be such. Do not forget about this
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 20 July 2012 14: 48
            -1
            Grumbler
            Yes, I think so. As long as they are part of a state, they are citizens of that state. Do you think not?
            1. Grumbler
              Grumbler 20 July 2012 15: 43
              +3
              Quote: Oleg0705
              Yes, I think so. As long as they are part of a state, they are citizens of that state. Do you think not?
              You can consider anyone as your fellow citizens, the question is whether these "fellow citizens" consider you as such. Read the posts carefully.
              I consider my fellow citizens those who live according to our laws and reckon with our traditions, even if it is a visiting Papuan.
              1. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 20 July 2012 16: 13
                -2
                If I count them, then why shouldn't they? I completely agree with the second part of your post.
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 20 July 2012 15: 22
          +1
          Quote: Oleg0705
          Unforgettable, these are your fellow citizens.

          Well, they should live like that under civil laws. Do not wish? suitcase - station - aul ...
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 20 July 2012 16: 21
            -3
            antiaircrafter,
            But who is against it? current under one comb does not need all.
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 20 July 2012 20: 20
              0
              Quote: Oleg0705
              current under one comb does not need all.

              I didn’t talk about everyone, only about those who were unable to adapt.
        3. kosmos84
          kosmos84 20 July 2012 19: 15
          0
          well done Olegych-beautifully said all the talk about ethnic difference should be considered as a state from the izmn and it doesn’t matter which nation speaks
      2. survivor
        survivor 21 July 2012 04: 23
        -1
        probably about the same. cameras did with the indigenous people of America .............
    2. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 20 July 2012 11: 54
      -1
      Quote: sanyabasik
      he imposes his "savage laws" on society


      Living in such an indifferent, cruel society, how not to let yourself be humiliated? First you need to heal yourself. Nobody is telling anyone, we just allow ourselves to be imposed. Pluson accidentally

      1. thatupac
        thatupac 20 July 2012 17: 22
        +4
        Typical Russian "solidarity". As the Caucasians are sent to the auls in words, so all the masters, but in fact to give in the face - so weak. Ugh...
    3. V_oblomov
      V_oblomov 20 July 2012 12: 38
      +6
      Quote: sanyabasik
      he imposes his "savage laws" on society

      - and this can be seen in many examples: - and too inadequate reaction to Moscow students "stop-khamovtsev", cat. their actions are not carried out selectively on a national basis; - and special obvious show off with walks in cities with weapons, sometimes "shooting" (by the way, in their homeland for such things they can be hung for coca ... - Mr. Kadyrov is feared and respected ...), but outside their republics - this is unpunished. ..; - and clearly indicative ritual acts in religion. holidays - the slaughter of rams .. - with knives on the throat, and rivers of blood through the streets of cities (with clearly not Masul. population, and had not seen it before ..) - although all this can be done not so clearly ... - and an obviously arrogant attitude towards isponit. authorities ... And all this appeared as a result of flirting, and even the FEAR of our authorities to touch offenders, let's say with non-Slavic persons ... they can ... or so ... a little bit ...
      ... And from history .. - Catherine II somehow organized the Diplomatic train to the Volga (all European ambassadors were taken out with service staff and turns ..), and somehow, while walking along the Volga coast to Catherine with ambassadors from behind the hills Clouds of Bashkir, Tatar cavalry jumped out ... For a long time the servants of the German and Austro-Hungarian. ambassadors (and others the same) arranged the spoils of their masters ... for a long time this demonstration was remembered throughout Europe ...
      .. Yes, once our rulers were able to properly approach the nat. issues ..
  7. IRBIS
    IRBIS 20 July 2012 12: 04
    +15
    To begin with, the author did not see Grozny in the 95 year.
    I spent many years serving in the armed forces. I had subordinates of soldiers and sailors of various nationalities. There were problems, but this is all solved. You just need to work. And you need the inexorable will of the commander. And I recall my elder - a Chechen, only with kind words. To tear off and separate some ethnos is stupidity. Isn’t it better to return the Soviet system of officer training and to teach commanders not only to remove money from the card, but also to work with people?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 July 2012 12: 19
      +5
      I agree completely and completely, and the Dagestanis were the best deputy commanders and foremen!
    2. cc-20
      cc-20 20 July 2012 12: 23
      +7
      Like the Soviet system did not try, but internationalism was imposed only by Russians, and the rest remained so nationalists, from which the USSR was destroyed. Not only that, they began to destroy the RSFSR, but after the defeat of Dudaev, everyone was quiet. Returning to an unsuccessful, failed seventy-year experiment is stupid.
    3. Nickname
      Nickname 20 July 2012 12: 48
      +1
      This is all so and it was before. And now, crime has risen to the rank of republic’s policy, and here the commanders will not do anything
    4. dark_65
      dark_65 20 July 2012 15: 03
      0
      well done. sincerely. under every word I agree
  8. DERWISH
    DERWISH 20 July 2012 12: 05
    +9
    the image of a dairy cow represented by RUSSIA as well as Russians as a material for use in their business achievements and self-affirmation of nokhchi for a long time sat in the heads of the Caucasus children beloved by RUSSIA. Serious reworkings in the legislation and unimpeded execution of laws are necessary. Proud and impudent as some offspring of the Caucasian regions lead themselves to the same Moscow !!! but until the RUSSIANS have the same amount of money and concessions from the leadership of the country, the escalation of ethnic hatred will grow like a SNOW COM !!!
  9. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 20 July 2012 13: 00
    +6
    IRBIS Today, 12:04 ↓ new 3
    To begin with, the author did not see Grozny in the 95 year.
    I spent many years serving in the armed forces. I had subordinates of soldiers and sailors of various nationalities. There were problems, but this is all solved. You just need to work. And you need the inexorable will of the commander. And I recall my elder - a Chechen, only with kind words. To tear off and separate some ethnos is stupidity. Isn’t it better to return the Soviet system of officer training and to teach commanders not only to remove money from the card, but also to work with people?

    All right, I have 24 calendars in the armed forces of the last 16 foreman, were all nationalities, and if fathers commanders and foremen really rule in their units then hazing and division by ethnicity will not be eradicated in half a year, though I have not been home for weeks.
    1. io_stalin
      io_stalin 20 July 2012 22: 26
      +1
      shy. Homeland alone.
      ENEMIES A LOT.
      THIS FUCK TV.
      THIS are Kasparovs, Germans, Chubais, Latin,
      THIS is the issuing editors of the news channel RUSSIA !!!!
      THIS IS QATAR.
      THIS SAUDI, with their WAKHABISM, is NAZISM (A FASCINAL IDEOLOGY DIRECTED NOT TO RACING, AND TO RELIGIOUS EXCLUSIVITY)
      WHY SILENT ABOUT THIS ?? !!!!
      WHY KILL Muftis in Russia?
      WHERE FSB ???
      sorry, pent.
  10. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 20 July 2012 14: 27
    +6
    "I was an officer, I was a foreman, I put things in order, the best sergeant is a Caucasian!" - LIE! full, urgent served in a motorized rifle regiment! Caucasians were full, and Chechens, and Dagestanis and others. There were also foremen, they did not know how to speak correctly, they made 5 mistakes in a word of three letters, but the commanders! In addition to the fist, in the absence of the officer of the soldiers, they did not teach anything, but I agree the discipline is super, but all on fear, who will complain if there are no officers at night. They became impudent from their impunity to the point that the conscripts were threatening the commanders of the officers. And make him work on the outfit, hell is the proud son of the mountains, he won't take a shovel. In the unit that spent the night in our barracks of 15 people, the foreman was a Dagestan, all the soldiers were Slavs and from Central Asia, all the beaten went, the funniest and most disgusting, they served for a year, a new recruit came to them, also a Dagestan, a young man beat the gods, because ... countryman foreman allowed. So the talk that they are good soldiers, bullshit! 3 SMEs called "Allah's wars!", I have never seen worse, and I have never seen worse.
    My opinion should be encouraged, but to complete a unit or a separate unit under the command of officers of fellow countrymen, then something else can be done with them. But the radical option itself, though not feasible, is to send them to the Arctic Circle, to separate points, immediately for a year, only bring food to them. they will survive well, no, in a zinc coffin to their homeland, like our soldiers from Chechnya!
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 20 July 2012 17: 24
      0
      You were in the Army a deer and lyuley from Caucasians received in full. And now you’re vomiting yourself, hehe. Previously, it was necessary on the ground.
      1. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 23 July 2012 09: 01
        +1
        No, I didn’t get lyuley from the people like me! Well, they didn’t take them to the mortar! Well, they did not know how to count four-digit numbers and understand the hardware. They took them to the motorized rifle. And sergeants wrote to us young people, all Slavs, but they wrote out for the case, probably like everyone else! and after a year of service I became a sergeant, myself, and again not a single Caucasian in batteries! And since they lived in the same barracks with the infantry, then everyone saw!
  11. understudy
    understudy 20 July 2012 14: 49
    +3
    "...according to the republican military registration and enlistment office, the number of citizens of draft age in the jurisdictional territory is about 80 thousand people..."

    Combined Arms Army. It is not sickly to call ... But only in what direction will the bayonets look?
  12. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 20 July 2012 15: 12
    +6
    Problems with conscription in Chechnya have long-standing roots ... Just remember the story ...

    "...The attitude of the Chechens and Ingush to the Soviet regime was clearly expressed in desertion and draft evasion in the Red Army.
    During the first mobilization in August 1941, out of 8000 people to be drafted, 719 people deserted.
    In October 1941, out of 4733, 362 evaded the draft.
    In January 1942, with the completion of the national division, only 50 percent of the personnel were recruited.
    In March 1942, out of 14576 people deserted and evaded the service, 13560 people who went into illegal situations, went to the mountains and joined gangs.
    In 1943, out of 3000 volunteers, the number of deserters was 1870.
    ..."

    This is an excerpt from a memo "On the state of affairs in the regions of Checheno-Ingushetia" compiled by the Deputy People's Commissar of State Security, 2nd Rank State Security Commissioner Korbulov, addressed to the head of the NKVD Beria. Dated November 9, 1943.
    The numbers speak for themselves. Comments are unnecessary ...
  13. MIT
    MIT 20 July 2012 16: 09
    +2
    The real source of the threat to Russia is interethnic discord, there will be ROSNT not Russia!
  14. segamegament
    segamegament 20 July 2012 16: 31
    +2
    Everything is simple, it will be so soon and throughout Russia, and now it should be !!!
  15. Uncle
    Uncle 20 July 2012 17: 26
    +2
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    And make him work on a dress, hell is the proud son of the mountains there, he won’t take a shovel
    And I served as a "shovel". Everyone worked there in the 80s. And the fact that they beat them with impunity is the case with impunity. Beat a man in a disbat. They will grind ANYONE there. I saw through the fence how they were running around with cars, right up to disability.
  16. Uncle
    Uncle 20 July 2012 18: 56
    -1
    Anyway, what kind of defeatist moods, you think, someone got a muzzle, another time he won’t be afraid. Who are these Czechs, Dagi? Is there at least one cultural or scientific figure among them? They are savages, and we need to learn, not to thump, and then, having achieved much in life about these, we will wipe our feet.
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 20 July 2012 19: 25
      +3
      MAGOMED TALGOEV = HERO of the USSR
      1. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 23 July 2012 09: 05
        +1
        Mahmud Esenbayev, a great dancer, people's artist of the USSR!
    2. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 20 July 2012 20: 21
      +2
      Quote: Uncle
      and then we, having achieved much in life about these, will wipe our feet.
      - um ... that's how ... And he talked about culture ... In your soul, first create a culture ...
    3. survivor
      survivor 21 July 2012 04: 47
      +3
      Do you need to make a list or take my word for it? I will list only my relatives: Bazorkin Idris. a member of the USSR Writers' Union wrote the novel "From the Darkness of Ages", as well as about 20 stories and novellas .. Banhaev Idris. Honored Doctor of the USSR. Oncologist of God's hand, about 200 operations in oncology. Gazdieva Raisa. sister. Honored Sanitary Doctor of Russia. Banhaev Beslan, otolaryngologist. about 150 operations. Bankhaev Hadzhibikar. philologist. about 50 scientific works in philology. knows 8 languages, of which 6 is fully dean of the philological faculty of the university.
      these are only those whom I remembered. believe me, there is a lot of shit in any nationality, but there are a lot of serious scientists and artists. it’s just against the backdrop of a multi-million Russia, it’s not so striking ....
  17. kosmos84
    kosmos84 20 July 2012 19: 23
    +2
    At least from the Caucasus guys break into the army and from other regions crying and now to collect a hut from them (we had the name of the battalion), and it’s better to send 5 to Arabia (so as not to violate Islamic traditions) AND THE SAUDISTS TO GIVE П = ЗДЫ AND THOSE FOR EVERYTHING LOST
    1. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 20 July 2012 22: 09
      +3
      I agree, I wanted to say the same thing, but now I will clarify a little, to send not young - not fired boys, but to form back a former Chechen special. battalion "Vostok" and send it to Syria as peacekeepers.
      1. kosmos84
        kosmos84 20 July 2012 23: 10
        +1
        and the ashes of these SSA members for 3 days will be torn to pieces
  18. Uncle
    Uncle 20 July 2012 19: 42
    +1
    Quote: kosmos84
    so as not to violate the traditions of Islam

    Will they fight? Do not run to the Saudis? It’s sweeter and fatter.
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 20 July 2012 19: 49
      0
      I THINK NO DON'T RUN
    2. survivor
      survivor 23 July 2012 09: 55
      0
      surprisingly. but in the Caucasus they still remember the meaning of the words Honor and Dignity. in the first Chechen, the Chechens themselves were contemptuous of the capture of slaves. Of my acquaintances, certainly not a single one of these kinds of earnings sinned. True, many of them fought and fought well. But war is one thing, and hostage-taking is another. most of them were knocked out even in the first .... of those who fought in the second, I don’t know anyone, therefore I can’t speak for them ... the war quickly changes people (((. but judging by the actions of the Chechen troops in South Ossetia, betrayals and dashes will not.
      By the way, and who knows the thread that Chechen volunteers also took part in the Abkhaz conflict? and I must say, obeyed the Russian military command ....
      so ... to thinking about ...........
  19. tan0472
    tan0472 20 July 2012 19: 48
    +2
    Man is essentially cattle. And makes a person a man WHIP and Gingerbread. As soon as the whip disappears, the person tends to scotch. Proof of this is cleanliness in Singapore and politeness in Germany. Europeans easily roll back if they think that the law will not overtake them.
  20. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha 20 July 2012 20: 16
    +1
    The situation and condition of Russians in the Russian Federation is the fruit of almost 100 years of etching from our people by the authorities (first the Bolsheviks, now liberals, which are, however, two sides of the same coin) of the Russian People’s Orthodox Spirit — the spirit of the free, independent Master God gave us of the Earth — from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean ! All these years, they have driven us on all sides that Russia is a multi-ethnic and multi-religious country, Russians are the same as 150 nationalities living in Russia! But this is a LIE !!! Russian (Slavs) in Russia, more than 85%, even by UN standards, such a percentage of one nationality in the state says that this state is mono-national !!! Someone considers Israel a lot of national and multi-confessional state-wow !? But they have the same percentage of Jews! And England !? Etc. Russia is a state of the Russian People, created by Russian Orthodox people and until this truth becomes Russia's policy, nothing can be done for the better in international relations for the better! In the Big House, the Master must be ONE, as it was before the revolution!
    1. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 20 July 2012 20: 47
      +1
      prophet Alyosha,

      Only one power in the world can defeat Russia. This is Russia itself.

      Leonid Shebarshin
  21. Owl
    Owl 20 July 2012 22: 16
    +3
    The army is a cut of the Society. In today's Russian society, a citizen of Russia, nationality "from somewhere in the Caucasus", but who bought an apartment in Moscow (in St. Petersburg, near Moscow region) with "his" money (usually with the help of the diaspora) behaves slightly towards the indigenous Russian population " dismissively "(I bought, I could, and you are slaves and dogs), the same will happen in the Army (if the platoon commander, company commander and higher command do not intervene). It is very unpleasant for me that walking around the city (Moscow region), I see that ordinary young people of "non-Slavic appearance" are more often standing and practicing at the crossbar. By our weakness in physical, moral and national (in respect for their national culture and for the merits of the representatives of the Russian, in a general sense, a multinational nation for Peace and the good of the people), conviction and faith, We lose in everyday confrontation with self-confident impudent people who the fact that they bought everything and defeated us all. During the War We "made them", peaceful life is not a war, everything in it is much more complicated and "more legal".
  22. Magadan
    Magadan 21 July 2012 02: 01
    +5
    Quote: soldat1945
    It should be noted a general decrease in the moral and business qualities of Russian children, especially those from the central regions, who are physically weak, inclined to slavish submission to stronger ones, out of a call of 600-700 people, a maximum of 100 are something that others can and can stand up for themselves; , and complain to mothers that they are being offended, etc.

    This and I do not stop talking! Complain about the Caucasians, because they themselves are dead! Caucasians have their culture and traditions for blood. Peoples adhering to basic values ​​will develop personally! Those who fall under the liberals and other homosexuals will disappear from the face of the earth, since among these peoples they will grow up alone dead.
    And the Army, like any other male collective, is a place of natural selection. Wherever I am, there is always a struggle in the men's team to preserve their face and search for "chushkans" who will wash someone's socks.
    And I am very sad that there are more and more Chushkans among Russians! And Caucasians do not want to humiliate Russians, and just like all normal men, they humiliate them chushkanov... At the same time, a "chushkan" is a person who is weak first of all in SPIRIT, not in body.
    What am I crucifying, you yourself know everything!
    1. survivor
      survivor 21 July 2012 04: 53
      -1
      served near Vologda in the beginning of 90. in the unit there was one Caucasian. served for six months, then sent to serve in Chechnya ...
      for half a year, they tried to break the grandfathers five times. after each time, lay down in the hospital, did not break. although not when special strength and health did not differ ....