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Western press: trump eliminating Sulejmani challenged himself

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The world media continues to make attempts to analyze the situation with the order of Donald Trump to strike at the car in which the Iranian general Kassem Suleimani was. The American press notes that one of Trump's most respected unofficial advisers, Tucker Carlson, has protested against the removal of the IRG General. But Trump reportedly ignored his arguments.


In a major Swedish newspaper, Svenska Dagbladet, columnist Malin Ekman writes the following:

Donald Trump eliminating Suleimani challenged himself.

In particular, it is noted that never before in recent years has the Islamic world been so consolidated against US policy in the Middle East. At the same time, consolidation affected not only Shiites. Many of the traditional US allies in the region - countries with a predominantly Sunni population - also "did not approve of Washington’s actions against Suleimani."

Meanwhile, the American newspaper The New York Times is trying to restore the events of the day when a blow was struck on Suleymani's car in Baghdad. The material noted that the plane of the airline Cham Wings flew not from Tehran, but from Damascus. At the same time, the 6Q501 was late with a departure for about an hour - “they were waiting for the main passenger”.

From the material:

Kassem Suleimani arrived at the airport at the very moment when the doors on the plane were closed. He boarded with two escorted persons, and the plane headed for Baghdad. At the airport, he was already awaited by Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis (commander of the Shiite militia), they proceeded to the car. At this point, the American drone MQ-9 Reaper has already entered the zone for an attack. A rocket hit a car 11 minutes after the plane from Suleimani landed at Baghdad's airport. It was Trump's bold decision to strike at the Iranian general, as he himself stated, with the goal of preventing the death of American citizens in the future.

The material notes that this blow caused extreme concern in Riyadh. It is reported that the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia "was so alarmed by the removal of General Suleimani that he sent his brother to Washington for a secret meeting with the US administration." It was additionally noted that tensions arose in the world due to the fact that many considered the United States ready to “block the Iranian oil and gas sector,” which would cause a sharp jump in oil prices with unpredictable consequences for the global economy.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 January 2020 13: 59
    +1
    The Iranians will need to change the security regime in order to avoid such a failure in the future!
    1. WILL
      WILL 12 January 2020 14: 02
      +7
      The experience of the FSO (the former Ninth KGB Directorate) in this regard is invaluable! Squander - You can’t! But, something can be learned.
      A completely ill-conceived action, with consequences for the United States (negative), it is possible that Trump is a setup.
      Quote: Thrifty
      The Iranians will need to change the security regime in order to avoid such a failure in the future!
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 12 January 2020 14: 12
        +3
        It is difficult to fight such betrayal: "mole" - he is always "mole" and always buries himself well.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 12 January 2020 17: 32
          +5
          tensions have arisen in the world due to the fact that many considered the United States ready to “block the Iranian oil and gas sector,” which would cause a sharp jump in oil prices with unpredictable consequences for the global economy.

          At the same time, many politicians and journalists lose sight of the fact that US state its destruction of Kassem Suleimani in Iraq not just committed a crime in violation of international law, because of which war is declared, namely committed a crime from the category of PRECEDENT crimes, based on their own American perceptions of justice in the field of national interests of the United States with violation of the NORM of international law for other countries! Namely.

          By order of US President Trump, US forces without declaring war on Iran and contrary to US law for the first time in history openly - at the STATE level - committed the TERRORIST assassination a high-ranking official of another sovereign country - the head of the IRGC Suleimani of Iran! A country with which the US is not in a "hot" (with hostilities) war, and on the territory of another sovereign state - Iraq, with which neither the US nor Iran are also in a "hot" war.

          What does this mean? This means only ONE that the United States, contrary to established World Law, OPEN, we have begun to change the REALITY existing in the world after WWII in favor of our "world domination"!

          Iran v. USA, international law and falsifiers of history • Jan 10. 2020 Nikolay Starikov
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 12 January 2020 20: 52
            +1
            Write beautifully, thanks!
        2. demo
          demo 12 January 2020 18: 51
          +2
          "Mole" is the last thing.
          When tracking satellites, a radio interception system, hundreds, if not thousands of people, are aimed at completing a task, it is very difficult to hide. Almost not real.
          And the idea voiced by The New York Times is not fully expressed.
          And it sounds like that.
          "From now on, not a single person, even holding the highest public office, can have a 100% guarantee of his security. Including the President of the United States."
          This is the precedent that Trump created.
          After all, tomorrow it is possible with 100% probability to say that he planned operations that would harm Somalia (for example) and the deaths of citizens of this country.
          A curtain.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 12 January 2020 20: 56
            0
            Well, then, if you look, then surely Donik will be able to find a memorable note of WHOM, and for what should be organized "in nety".
            By the way, another Iranian military surname has already surfaced in this context.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 12 January 2020 23: 11
            +3
            Quote: demo
            "Mole" is the last thing.
            When tracking satellites, a radio interception system, hundreds, if not thousands of people, are aimed at completing a task, it is very difficult to hide. Almost not real.
            It is difficult, but possible, if you do not lose your guard. Suleimani and his entourage felt safe, because "even yesterday" Suleimani was solving problems common with mattresses in the same Mosul. In addition, as "Tatiana" indicated above, he was not on the open lists of terrorists and his activities as an official were not associated with a country that is at war with the United States. By and large, he moved quite officially and openly for himself, which he used the mattresses. The trick lies in the fact that the rocket was tied either to his phone, or a beacon was installed in advance on the meeting car, which were also phono indicating the target. Dozens or even hundreds of cars leave the airport, and therefore, not knowing the one in which Suleimani is sitting, it is difficult to destroy the target in 11 minutes after he left the plane. Obviously, the mole helped. Now, for the intelligence services of the Iraqi Sha'abists (the host side), as well as for the intelligence services of the IRGC, the calculation of the "mole" is a matter of honor.
            1. Old Michael
              Old Michael 13 January 2020 01: 18
              0
              Hello Dmitry!
              for the intelligence services of the IRGC, calculating the "mole" is a matter of honor

              There is such a book - "Secret Operations MOSSAD and Mukhabarat" (I forgot the authorship, I read it 15 years ago). There are no special sensations there, most of the facts are already well known. But there are many digressions to related topics, and they contain information for thought - how zealously the Iraqi special services will be engaged in this, who will oppose them explicitly or covertly, whether the IRGC counterintelligence service has real capabilities for this and, most importantly, motivation. Well, that is, roughly speaking: the agent kicks with a hoof, and his boss says - don't get excited. And the boss before that had a strange and unexpected conversation with ...?
              And, besides, in this book there are other points worthy of attention concerning persons quite well-known in the USSR and the Russian Federation.
              Informative.
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      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 12 January 2020 14: 25
        +10
        Elena hi If we discard political insinuations, and consider the purely technical side from a military point of view, then a similar operation was carried out. Remember the destruction of Dudaev. The difference - no UAV was used.
        P, C, I do not want to cause a wave of negativity - I consider the fact of implementation.
        1. Elena Zakharova
          Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 14: 38
          +6
          Quote: Svarog51
          and consider the purely technical side from a military point of view,

          Just from a technical point of view there is nothing in common, however, from a political point of view, too, there is nothing in common.
          But back to those. component ...
          The rocket with which Sulejmani was killed was originally intended from the moment of its creation at the level of TK as a means of killing a person in an unprotected passenger car.
          In real hostilities, she will not be able to harm even the old armored personnel carrier.
          She has no explosion, before the confrontation with a view, she throws out several knives (six) and simply cuts the car and all who are there, into the stuffing.


          Dudaev was destroyed by the standard means located in the arsenal of the SU-24.
          Of course, using guidance from the A-50.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 12 January 2020 15: 17
            +11
            As far as I am informed, guidance was used with Dudayev on his satellite phone. I didn’t know about this rocket, thanks hi A lethal weapon of limited radius. In the mountains with Dudaev, this factor was not critical. Both operations were successful, no matter how cynical it sounded. The weapon is becoming more accurate, long-range and selective.
            Now everyone has their hands untied, and I won’t be surprised if dozens of countries have such weapons, and they begin to wet the politicians who are objectionable to them around the world.

            And here you are categorically right. There are precedents. Politicians have real power and do not want to be targets. A new round of highly selective weapons to wait?
            1. Elena Zakharova
              Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 15: 24
              +3
              Quote: Svarog51
              As far as I am informed, guidance was used with Dudayev on his satellite phone.

              Yes, the signal from his phone was detected from the A-50, and an attack aircraft was sent to the point where the signal came from.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 12 January 2020 15: 28
                +9
                I read in some article that the rocket was modified specifically for this phone. Those. went to the signal source. Or a fake?
                1. Elena Zakharova
                  Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 15: 38
                  +3
                  Well, I don’t know, not quite my profile.
                  However, what's the point in such a refinement?
                  I do not see him.
                  The existing systems at that time had a broadband range.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 12 January 2020 16: 42
                    +9
                    It just interested me. It is a pity that the source did not remember. Dudayev, after all, the pilot himself, probably knew the capabilities of aircraft weapons and counteracting them. Therefore, refinement was needed for a certain range. Maybe even on the carrier frequency of the phone. request
                    1. Elena Zakharova
                      Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 16: 48
                      +3
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Therefore, refinement was needed for a certain range. Maybe even on the carrier frequency of the phone.

                      A little lower to another person, I have already answered this question in detail.
                      There was no point, because everything had already been created before ....
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 16: 49
                        +9
                        Accepted. Thank. hi
                    2. Elena Zakharova
                      Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 16: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Dudayev is a pilot himself,

                      That is why he knew that before getting in touch with the State Department, he ordered everyone to move away from him to a safe distance.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 18: 45
                        +9
                        What did he not live as a general? But for the fact that he took the Nukers out of attack - and then to him in credit. Though not in vain I studied. Only then they created the terrible on his own land. Caring, but stupid.
                      2. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 20: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        What did he not live as a general?

                        Probably dreamed of becoming commander in chief ...
                      3. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 10
                        +10
                        "Bad is the soldier who does not carry the marshal's baton in his knapsack."
                        I didn’t say that. love
                      4. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 20: 13
                        +2
                        That is what I had in mind))
                      5. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 18
                        +10
                        Not everyone is given. There are obstacles on the way. Sometimes in the form of a rocket.
                      6. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 12 January 2020 20: 21
                        +8
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        There are obstacles on the way. Sometimes in the form of a rocket

                        This is not the worst of the obstacles, verified by experience ...

                        Sergey, hi
                      7. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 39
                        +9
                        Worse, if a wife under a hot hand, verified by experience ...
                        Novel hi drinks
                      8. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 12 January 2020 20: 53
                        +7
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Worse if a wife under a hot hand

                        A rolling pin in the forehead is yes ...
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                      20. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 12 January 2020 21: 01
                        +6
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Before contacting the State Department, he ordered everyone to move away from him to a safe distance

                        Elementary. Tellsat is tracked - at a time. What did he have there? Iridium? So this is the same.

                        Dudaev, with all my negative attitude towards him, as a politician and a person, was quite a competent officer. School of the Union, if so simpler. Although now - it’s not worse. In the sense - literate.
                      21. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 January 2020 13: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Elementary. Tellsat is tracked - at a time. What did he have there? Iridium? So this is the same.

                        You do not even really know what satellite communication Dudaev used, but you have already begun to teach people how everything really was. All of your information was obtained from the media, and it could have been specially thrown, but you are clearly not in the subject. But nevertheless, at that time in our country the cost of a satellite phone was in the range of 4-6 thousand dollars, with a monthly subscription fee of 200 dollars. Tell us in more detail how the A-50 could determine which phone Dudayev was talking from, if at that time There were hundreds of satellite phones in Chechnya, and not only Russian operators. Who reported to you that he did not use foreign military satellite communication devices with scrambling if such a device was captured even in Afghanistan ten years before the destruction of Dudaev?
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        What did he have there?

                        Well, tell everyone what he had, if they got to teach others.
                      22. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 15: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Well, tell everyone what he had, if they got to teach others

                        One unwise person can ask so many questions that a hundred wise men will not answer.

                        You have already been offered the above - since you really are so much in the subject - write in style. I am pleased to read.

                        For now, without respect. Do not deserve, sorry hi
                      23. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 January 2020 17: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        One unwise person can ask so many questions that a hundred wise men will not answer.

                        What was required to be found out - you do not know anything about this at all, except for media reports, and it is still unknown in what interpretation.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        For now, without respect. Do not deserve, sorry

                        Do you seriously think that I need your respect, an unknown nickname from the Internet? Do not make me laugh...
                      24. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 20: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Do you seriously think that I need your respect, an unknown nickname from the Internet? Do not make me laugh...

                        To me - exactly, I already said.

                        You constantly designate some kind of "high knowledge" ... And, by the way, not only in this topic. But so far you have not confirmed your claims to "high knowledge".

                        Uncle negative
                2. ccsr
                  ccsr 12 January 2020 19: 28
                  -5
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  I read in some article that the rocket was modified specifically for this phone.

                  Dudaev did not have a personal satellite telephone, he used different phones, because unlike local experts, he knew perfectly well the capabilities of radio and radio intelligence. What phone was the rocket supposed to fly to, if in that area at the same time they used the work of several satellite telephones in the same range for cover? Do you have any idea who and how is filtering out several satellite communication lines in order to somehow figure out who is talking at the moment?
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Those. went to the signal source. Or a fake?

                  It was only the final chord of the whole operation, which is simply unknown to you in scale.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 12 January 2020 19: 37
                    +9
                    If you know - write an article. We discuss.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 13 January 2020 13: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      If you know - write an article.

                      The article may be written by someone who actually participated in the operation to destroy Dudaev, and then in forty-fifty years. I can only speculate how this was done, so I don’t see the point in writing a near-scientific article.
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      We discuss.

                      To begin with, we will discuss where you and this lady got information that Dudaev was destroyed exactly in order to understand what you are operating on. Information from the media is not accepted - they write only what they are given or at worst from a journalistic investigation. So where are the firewood from?
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 13 January 2020 07: 59
                    +4
                    Quote: ccsr
                    It was only the final chord of the whole operation, which is simply unknown to you in scale.

                    Your significance ... touches. This is not to say correctly, reluctance to ban because of a cheap troll.

                    Nothing personal hi
            2. Elena Zakharova
              Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 15: 25
              +3
              Quote: Svarog51
              A new round of highly selective weapons to wait?

              Certainly.
              It is already being actively created in dozens of countries, including ours.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 12 January 2020 15: 37
                +9
                Although now it looks ridiculous, I would not be surprised at all when a rocket complex instead of a sniper jacket appears in memory of which a photograph of a certain person is laid. Ordinary people will be "cared for", and politicians will sit in bunkers. Maybe then they will think about disarmament? feel
                1. Elena Zakharova
                  Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 15: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Ordinary people will be "cared for", and politicians will sit in bunkers. Maybe then they will think about disarmament?

                  There is a reaction to every action.
                  So I'm sure nothing will change.
                  Everything will simply be on a higher bar.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 12 January 2020 18: 48
                    +9
                    Everything will simply be on a higher bar.

                    The standard of living would still rise together, otherwise all the forces and means go to war.
                    1. Elena Zakharova
                      Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 20: 10
                      +2
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      The standard of living would still rise together,

                      I completely agree with this, it is necessary to change something in the labor compensation system, otherwise it often turns out that the engineer of Roscosmos earns less in a month than the stocking trader on a nasty market.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 14
                        +9
                        We think the same way. yes I expressed this idea somewhat earlier in one of the topics about the tank designer Kartsev.
                        Elena, Happy New Year to you. love drinks
                      2. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 20: 18
                        +3
                        And Happy New Year to you!
                        Good luck!
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 12 January 2020 16: 18
            -4
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Dudaev was destroyed by the standard means located in the arsenal of the SU-24.

            The issue is debatable, if only because the standard means of the Su-24 are unlikely to be able to determine the exact location of a satellite phone in order to adjust the flight of the UR.
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Of course, using guidance from the A-50.

            But this is nonsense - most likely the funds of the OSN GRU GSh units, including the Il-20M, were involved.
            1. Elena Zakharova
              Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 16: 34
              +5
              Quote: ccsr
              most likely funds of the OSN GRU GSH units were involved, including the Il-20M

              Why build conspiracy theories?
              Satellite phone operates in the L range, the signal frequency is 1616 and 1626.5 MHz
              A regular Soviet anti-radar missile of the air class - the X-58 surface strikes targets emitting a signal in the range of 1,2-11 GHz.
              That is, it was not necessary to invent anything special.
              The A-50 detected the satellite phone signal, ours didn’t use it, and the attack aircraft brought it there.
              The only thing that is possible is that they watched when he got in touch, kept the attack aircraft with the X-58 constantly in the air, well, or the maximum amount of time, according to the circumstances.
              The GRU could only tell you what time it would take to raise the airborne, like whispering - it seems like I went with the State Department sponsors to talk.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 12 January 2020 17: 18
                -4
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                Satellite phone operates in the L range, the signal frequency is 1616 and 1626.5 MHz

                So what of this, if at the same time several more satellite phones could work in that region on purpose, so that Dudaev would not be calculated?
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                That is, it was not necessary to invent anything special.
                The A-50 detected the satellite phone signal, ours didn’t use it, and the attack aircraft brought it there.

                Your naivety does not surprise me - you just make such statements more carefully, otherwise you will be considered a dreamer.
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                The only thing that’s possible is that they watched when he got in touch, kept the attack aircraft with the X-58 constantly in the air,

                For months, did you have to watch, and in what area?
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                Type whispered - like went to the State Department sponsors to talk.

                Do not fantasize - this operation was prepared for months, because all attempts to eliminate it only with the help of the FSB and the army special forces failed, which is why it was so carefully prepared at the GRU. Air Force aircraft were only the executive element of this multi-level operation.
                1. Elena Zakharova
                  Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 17: 21
                  +6
                  I was smiled by your potentially hypothetically analytical abilities to build various theories)))
                  There was an order to remove, removed.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 12 January 2020 18: 36
                    -6
                    Quote: Elena Zakharova
                    I smiled

                    Smile more often - girls are painted with a smile, but they do not add any mind ....
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 12 January 2020 18: 52
                      +10
                      Elena is an expert in the field of armaments, and not just from the outside. You can not get rid of neglect of people. It’s time to settle down. This is good advice as a senior citizen to a senior citizen. Nothing personal.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 12 January 2020 19: 01
                        -5
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Elena is an arms specialist,

                        What weapons, and what level of specialist - you will not inform?
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        You can not get rid of neglect of people.

                        Let people not give out their fantasies for reliable facts, then an objective attitude will be towards them.
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        This is good advice as a senior citizen to a senior citizen. Nothing personal.

                        I don’t like that the debilitation of the younger generation is taking place due to the fact that the victims of the exam are now running the media and imposing an absurd idea of ​​military affairs and weapons.
                        Do you even understand what nonsense she is talking about the A-50 in the Dudaev case, or you think so too - enlighten me, nothing personal ...
                      2. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 19: 08
                        +9
                        Read her comments and you will understand everything. You and I are retired, and she is at work. And age, although not feminine, she found the Union. You, the lieutenant colonel, did not get rid of snobbery. But it’s time. And then, in fact, insanity will come instead of wisdom.
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 12 January 2020 19: 19
                        -5
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Read her comments and you will understand everything.

                        I read one, and it became clear to me what level of these comments.
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        You and I are retired, and she is at work.

                        In what matters - can you name the level?
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        You, the lieutenant colonel, did not get rid of snobbery.

                        Actually, I didn’t introduce myself to you, so forget how to fantasize. Have you not been taught that it is shameful to distribute false information even to a senior citizen?
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        And then, in fact, insanity will come instead of wisdom.

                        It seems to you he will drop in even earlier, judging by the fact that you have already begun to believe in fairy tales.
                      4. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 19: 25
                        +7
                        You served in intelligence, and ask questions. Received information, but do not want to work with it. I do not need information from you, I have already received it. You can continue to encrypt, but it makes no sense. Maybe he will come to me earlier, but so far there has not even been interest in my person. And you didn’t make any conclusions. I'm sorry.
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                      6. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 22
                        +9
                        No, Elena, he is a former GRU officer from radio intelligence. He served in the GSVG. I don’t remember his name, but look for laziness. They laid out a whole dossier on him.
                        And Vlad’s nickname? Do not share ... really necessary. feel
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                      8. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 20: 58
                        +9
                        Looks like I’m interested in details from colleagues in the forum. Thank.
                      9. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 January 2020 13: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Well, if necessary, then take it!

                        You are also a liar, because this is not my nickname. you specified the nickname "sssr" and my nickname is "ccsr", and the page is not mine.
                        Aren't you ashamed of spreading lies about another person, or is this not the first time for you?
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        I identified him everywhere in the emergency, so he freaks out))

                        I generally refuted your fantasies for the first time, and frankly I have no idea what kind of bird you are, but judging by the aplomb, you are obviously not flying at all ....
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                      11. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 January 2020 18: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        I didn’t stick to you, but you to me.
                        Stick off and you will be happy.

                        Your false information about me was exposed and ridiculed, and it immediately showed what kind of fruit you are. Anyone who lies in small things is capable of a big lie - "Any lie is dangerous: big and small, obvious and secret, primitive and clever ..."
                        Do not forget about this when you once again start promoting here your salaries and "successes" in understanding weapons and equipment.
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                      13. ccsr
                        ccsr 14 January 2020 11: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        That the one I said you were labeled with the same thing - by clones.

                        Your next heinous lie is again not confirmed by anything, and you remind me more and more of the habalk from the market that was mentioned here, which will carry everything, but not the truth.
                      14. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 20: 32
                        +3
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        he is a former intelligence officer of the GRU.

                        Those who served there behave differently ...
                        I also have such acquaintances.
                        But they do not bull, and when they do not know, they ask me for advice))
                        For example, Alexander Artsov.
                        It seems the retired Lieutenant Colonel lives in the Penza region, and I even have a phone number.
                        Poems writes))
                        But on another site.
                      15. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 21: 03
                        +9
                        There are friends on Comte too, ours are with HE. You will see Vladimir vovanpain there, say hello from me - you will be a faithful ally. good He is retired, I can’t say anything else, he gave his word.
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                      17. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 21: 36
                        +10
                        Elena, I was also invited to KONT, but alas, I am a monogamous, I got attached to VO. I’m not at COMT. I know only from personal communication.
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                      19. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 21: 52
                        +10
                        I know that you rarely appear. We crossed paths before. You were still a lieutenant. I then remembered you. I liked your clarifications and clarifications in technical matters. True, I was also in another rank and at first aroused your distrust. If you wish, you will certainly find our correspondence. Through my comments it will turn out faster, mine are an order of magnitude more.
                      20. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 12 January 2020 21: 57
                        +4
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        You were still a lieutenant.

                        But I didn’t even notice how I became a major))
                        This is most likely some kind of bonus from the site, maybe by March 8))
                      21. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 22: 09
                        +10
                        Previously, there were other possibilities and not the same as restrictions now, otherwise they would have been a colonel. wink yes
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                      23. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 12 January 2020 22: 17
                        +10
                        But on VO you have "fans". Already trampled on your comments. Is it envy that gnaws at them? request
                      24. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 January 2020 13: 45
                        -2
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        No, Elena, he is a former GRU officer from radio intelligence.

                        Why are you lying, even if you have no idea what I was doing at all?
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        He served in the GSVG.

                        It’s true - almost five years, and I never hid it.
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        They laid out a whole dossier on him.

                        Well, bring him if you are not lying that you saw him. And I’ll tell you right away whether it’s true or the lies of another amateur.
                      25. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 January 2020 13: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        I know him very well, even where he lives, what he breathes and what he has for his soul.

                        You are lying like the same market trader, which is not surprising, judging by how you and the aplomb began to discuss the question of the destruction of Dudaev, and it immediately became clear that you were a dreamer.
                      26. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 January 2020 13: 08
                        -2
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Received information, but do not want to work with it.

                        The information was from the realm of speculation - you don’t even have a clue how it all happens, but you already decided that you all know.
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        And you didn’t make any conclusions.

                        And you conclude how you look in the eyes of those who are in the subject and whom you are going to teach.
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        I'm sorry.

                        And I'm sorry that all sorts of nonsense are perceived as truth.
          3. Old Michael
            Old Michael 13 January 2020 01: 21
            +1
            and from a political point of view, too, there is nothing in common

            I believe this is an even more important difference than tactics and means.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 January 2020 14: 13
      -7
      Quote: Thrifty
      In particular, it is noted that never before in recent years has the Islamic world been so consolidated against US policy in the Middle East. At the same time, consolidation affected not only Shiites. Many of the traditional US allies in the region — countries with predominantly Sunni populations — also “did not approve of Washington’s actions against Suleimani”

      Well, Baba Yaga is always against it. All against when they are hit on the head, indiscriminately. Why, why?
      The most interesting thing is that Trump could not have known "that Annushka had already spilled oil" and Boeing turned the board over. Now Iran is a terrorist for the world, and the United States "we said, we warned." Now, without Satanovsky, we cannot figure out what kind of solitaire this chess game will come to. And it was so harmonious and clear. request
    4. iouris
      iouris 12 January 2020 21: 57
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Iranians will need to change security regime

      It’s too late for the Iranians. But the rest need to get ready.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 January 2020 14: 00
    0
    Western press: trump eliminating Sulejmani challenged himself
    Maybe the standard shot himself in the leg? And it’s complicated. request
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 12 January 2020 14: 14
      +1
      Yes, it’s easier, more accessible and really more correct for reasons and consequences :: sucker - he is also in Africa (to blame, in America).
    2. PalBor
      PalBor 12 January 2020 14: 25
      0
      Prior to this, for example, with the DPRK or Syria, he actively fired in all directions, but somehow wasted, but here ...
  3. Olegater
    Olegater 12 January 2020 14: 03
    +4
    Good afternoon Dear forum users!

    With the death of Kassem Suleymaniyah, Donny had problems, and huge ones. It’s hard not to call their consequences even stupidity. Such advisers, as he has now, should be driven to the neck if he (Donnie) does not want to start a hot war.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 12 January 2020 14: 17
      0
      Or maybe it’s more advisable to drive Donnie away than with soaked rags?
      Really, the number of problems will decrease ... laughing
      If Clint Yaga does not climb to the throne.
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 12 January 2020 14: 25
        +2
        Good morning hydrox !!!

        I agree with you, this donny needs to be driven, but unfortunately it is not in our power. I would like to see in his place a person who will be engaged in the affairs of his country and not create problems for others. But if instead of him a yaga or the like, climb, then the world does not last a month. As they say of the two evils received less. Although still less is known?
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 12 January 2020 15: 06
          +3
          Quote: Olegater
          I agree with you, this donny needs to be driven, but unfortunately it is not in our power. I would like to see in his place a person who will deal with the affairs of his country and not create problems for others

          Do you know this in principle? which of all the sha presidents suited you? Yes, no such ... and will not. US antagonists against Russia. that's all. no matter who is in the landslide cabinet.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 12 January 2020 16: 16
            +1
            This is not entirely true.
            After all, this may come across (there is no word suitable laughing), that within a week or two it will cause us a nuclear confrontation, but the lousy world is certainly better than a good quarrel, right?
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 12 January 2020 16: 24
          +1
          Quote: Olegater
          I would like to see in his place a person who will be engaged in the affairs of his country and not create problems for others.

          The whole problem is that they are from an "exclusive" nation, so they should always be expected in our bed.
  4. RUS96
    RUS96 12 January 2020 14: 11
    -1

    Opinion of a Russian-speaking American about the USA & Iran. Job / fuel prices
  5. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 12 January 2020 14: 13
    -14
    Trump's right decision
  6. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 12 January 2020 14: 17
    0
    It was Trump's bold decision to strike at the Iranian general, as he himself stated, with the goal of preventing the death of American citizens in the future.

    What a caring one. Elementary murder, without trial. Killer as president of a great (respected or not, another question) country.
  7. stayer
    stayer 12 January 2020 14: 26
    +6
    Theoretically, can we also use a rocket for some kind of Korchinsky or Beletsky? With the motivation that we are defending the Russians in the future. And that they plan to kill the Russians, which has been repeatedly stated.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 January 2020 14: 40
      -2
      Plus. But, fool An interesting suggestion, but where to fuck us with a rocket? what There are many "friends", we will offend others. request Better then. feel
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 12 January 2020 16: 26
      -1
      Quote: stayer
      Theoretically, can we also use a rocket for some kind of Korchinsky or Beletsky?

      And why, if they are already under the hood of our special services, and now, like frightened hares, they constantly live in fear that they will be destroyed. I think that we already have all the DNA samples and casts of their teeth - in the modern world, even plastic surgery and changing the fingerprint pattern do not help, this is just a way to somehow delay the search process, unless of course the client is important for serious security services. So they won’t go anywhere, because understand that they will be calculated, and this may be their last voyage.
  8. knn54
    knn54 12 January 2020 14: 34
    +1
    What is happening now is the consequence of the murder of the General. Iran's "response", the downed liner, EVERYTHING is just beginning, judging by the protests in Tehran.
    And what about the media. Tomorrow they will write the exact opposite. Not the first and not the last time
  9. CYM
    CYM 12 January 2020 15: 01
    +1
    In general, this is an open murder by the armed forces of one state of an official of another state, and even on the territory of a third state, this is complete chaos and Casus belli since the time of the Roman Empire. If this is not so now, then a lot is changing in the world. For example, some statesman "leader" of the neighboring non-brotherly people spoke out about the parade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Red Square, the annexation of the Kuban ... and became a legitimate military target for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of any state. Are the days of the sent-back moronic GRU-Schniks with polonium and "Novichok" in the past, and now "Iskander", "Caliber" and "Okhotnik" are quite acceptable foreign policy instruments?)
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 12 January 2020 16: 35
      -1
      Quote: CYM
      It turns out the time mishandled moronic GRU-shnik with polonium

      Do not smack nonsense - even the British special services have not yet proven it, and there are no morons in the GRU, because people work there more wisely than you, and not just you alone.
      Quote: CYM
      it is a complete mess and Casus belli since the time of the Roman Empire.

      Tell me honestly, would it be easier for you if this car was blown up by a mine planted by some recruited US military intelligence agent than from being hit by a guided missile? Personally, it makes no difference to me - the war has been going on for a long time and no one cares about any world principles for a long time, if only the issue of security concerns those who are able to conduct such operations. So we shouldn't be naive - the elimination of the general is just one of the operations of this war for influence, so we need to be ready for this, and less hope for different "allies" in the war against the radicals, because they will also throw us, which was more than once.
      1. CYM
        CYM 12 January 2020 16: 53
        -1
        About "smart" GRU-shniki. These are the ones who, under the detailed video recording of British specialists, stupidly circled around Skripal, these are the ones who issued cover passports with consecutive numbers, are these those who could not protect information about their agents' travels from corrupt colleagues? I really cannot comprehend such a "mind". As for the rest, that's what I'm talking about, the times of covert operations are similar in the past, so why hide it in a bag.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 12 January 2020 17: 26
          -1
          Quote: CYM
          These are the ones who, under the detailed video recording of British specialists, stupidly revolved around Skripal,

          Housewives usually believe in this stupidity - special services usually use a completely different contingent for this.
          Quote: CYM
          those who issued cover passports with consecutive numbers,

          Just these numbers say that they received them in one department of the passport and visa service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the GRU in Soviet times was able to produce any document without contacting anyone.
          Quote: CYM
          I really cannot comprehend such a "mind".

          You have not been given much to comprehend - you are a typical product of media propaganda, and accordingly the lack of basic knowledge in the area that you undertake to comment.
          1. CYM
            CYM 12 January 2020 18: 28
            -1
            Rather, you are a product of propaganda about the incomprehensible and infallible "Stirlitz", or you are simply trying to protect the "honor of the uniform" as much as you can. I am not an enemy of my country, it is a shame for me "for the state" that such characters [media = http: // https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = 116mNaycf8A] with such a "legend" are sent on important assignments. Moreover, after their 100% predictable failure, they post interviews with their childish babble about the purpose of the visit and the beauty of Salisbury. After this, no one will believe any evidence of Russia's innocence in the "poisoning" of the Skripals.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 12 January 2020 18: 45
              -1
              Quote: CYM
              I am not an enemy of my country, it is a shame for me for the state that such characters

              What makes you think that they are the GRU employees? Can you bring at least one sane argument? Or do you think that in our special services they did not know how to destroy the German Gauleiters who were under round-the-clock protection 75 years ago? Wipe the tears - you were bred as a sucker, and you believed ...
              Quote: CYM
              Yes, even after their 100% predictable failure, they spread an interview with their babble about the purpose of the visit and the beauty of Salisbury.
              These clowns were so intimidated by the real deadlines for their illegal business that they said everything in an interview as it was intended. Most likely they were ordinary couriers from the illegal business, and they knew what awaited them both here and abroad.
              Quote: CYM
              After this, no one will believe any evidence of Russia's innocence in the "poisoning" of the Skripals.

              It is only amateurs who believe in the British version, and even then not everyone - those who have brains will immediately remember the case of Litvinenko, Berezovsky, Patartsikashvili.
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 12 January 2020 16: 59
      0
      A terrible precedent. Now every terrorist can refer to America.
  10. Shahno
    Shahno 12 January 2020 18: 30
    +2
    Good headline. I thought about that too ..
  11. CYM
    CYM 12 January 2020 19: 18
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    What makes you think that they are the GRU employees? Can you bring at least one sane argument?

    I myself sincerely hope that these two clowns are not GRU agents, let alone liquidators. But so many shoals in their documents and trips (which no one has denied), and especially the speed of the interview with them (after a direct indication of GDP) suggest that the guys are clearly not just gay business travelers.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 14 January 2020 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: CYM
      But there are so many shoals in their documents and trips (which no one has denied),

      How do you like this information from five years ago, which can explain everything in terms of making a profit by these "tourists":

      For example, only an unofficial market for a variety of food tablets estimated by experts at $ 1 billion. Such conclusions about the spread of folk healing were presented yesterday in the Khamovniki Social Research Fund, ...
      According to IMS Health, pharmacy sales of food additives in 2013 in the Russian Federation amounted to more than 37 billion rubles. At the same time, about 1 billion dollars, according to pharmaceutical market experts, falls on the shadow market of food additives in Russia.

      http://www.ng.ru/economics/2014-11-12/4_medicine.html
      I don't even mention the supply of "live goods" abroad for the purpose of using them as donors or in the porn industry, but this is also done by such "tourists", like those who are SUSPECTED by the UK special services.
      1. CYM
        CYM 14 January 2020 22: 26
        0
        Yes, I do not argue, these "tourists" could do anything. As an option, the purchase of the same "Novice" from the very same Skripal, who received it from the store in Salisbury with the assistance of British specialists. Supervised procurement is a common practice for operatives. The question is why our specialists did not calculate such a provocation or did not receive information about its planning through agents? After all, the British used a similar scenario in the Litvinenko case. And the Anglo-Saxons do not like to change successful scenarios, over there the planes are knocked down like a blueprint. Well, clownery on RT, why ?! By the way, both of us are minus, apparently there is a third opinion about "the correspondence between Engels and Kautsky." winked
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 January 2020 12: 18
          +2
          Quote: CYM
          As an option, the purchase of the same "Novice" from the very same Skripal, who received it from the store in Salisbury with the assistance of British specialists.

          This is a fantastic version - I've never heard one like that before. Why do this if we ourselves are able to reproduce this.
          Quote: CYM
          The question is why our specialists did not calculate such a provocation or did not receive information about its planning through agents?

          What else could one buy from Skripal if he had worked out a long time material and it would never occur to anyone to contact him in order not to attract the attention of the British special services. Moreover, he reported everything to them - this is obvious, because he had been hooked since they were recruited.
          Quote: CYM
          Well, clowning on RT, why ?!

          Well, it was impossible to keep silent by typing water in your mouth - they showed them to make sure that these characters are with us, and they can tell any independent investigators from different countries and organizations.
          Have you heard that at least someone tried to interrogate them from the intelligence services of Great Britain or NATO on our territory, since this is a chemical warfare agent?
          Quote: CYM
          By the way, both of us are minus, apparently there is a third opinion about "the correspondence between Engels and Kautsky."

          Do not pay attention to them - some local clowns generally drove me into a hard minus, because I just tried to explain to them that their fantasies had nothing to do with realities. Mature people usually find a common language, even if they hold opposite views.
  12. Shahno
    Shahno 12 January 2020 21: 43
    +2
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Well, I often don’t show up there, very rarely, because of the circumstances.
    And here, too, sometimes, because today is a day off and I'm still at home ((
    Husband hanging out somewhere))
    On Comte, I have the same account as here.

    // Husband hanging out somewhere //
    Key phrase yes
  13. Cast
    Cast 12 January 2020 22: 49
    -4
    But ours, the Russian Suleimani - Prigozhin, is still alive or not?
  14. CYM
    CYM 15 January 2020 22: 27
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    Why do this if we ourselves are able to reproduce this.

    Not for us, but for resale on the black arms market, because they are businessmen.
    Quote: ccsr
    What else could you buy from Skripal if he had been a long time spent material

    Do not tell me, according to some sources, Skripal actively (at least) advised several intelligence services and the Spanish mafia in addition (I suspect that these are immigrants from the countries of the former USSR). Well, apparently he haggled at everything that turned up.
    Quote: ccsr
    Well, it was impossible to keep silent by typing water in the mouth - that’s what they showed

    In general, they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. (C)