In Kiev, called the main version of the crash of the Boeing near Tehran

Four main versions of the crash of a passenger airliner of the Ukrainian airline Ukraine International Airlines near the Tehran international airport are considered in Kiev. This was stated by Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov.

According to Danilov, currently the following versions are being considered in the National Security and Defense Council: the defeat of the airliner by an anti-aircraft missile, including the Tor air defense missile system, the collision of an aircraft with an unmanned aerial vehicle or other object, the explosion and destruction of the engine as a result of a technical malfunction, and the explosion from the inside of the aircraft as a result act of terrorism.

At the same time, Danilov did not explain which version in the National Security and Defense Council consider priority, however, in the comments to the Ukrainian edition of "Censor.NET" (the materials of the publication were recognized as extremist and banned from distribution in Russia), he said that among the main ones was "the defeat of an aircraft by an air defense missile system, including "Tor" SAM, as information about the detection of rocket debris near the crash site has already appeared on the Internet. "

Earlier, Reuters reported that intelligence agencies in Canada, the United States and the European Union provided a preliminary report on versions of the disaster with a Ukrainian plane. According to intelligence, no external impact on the aircraft was recorded, a preliminary reason is the technical factor.

On January 8, the Ukrainian Boeing 737 airliner crashed in Tehran, with 176 people on board, 9 of them crew members (citizens of Ukraine). All flying on board Tehran-Kiev died.

At present, investigators who arrived today from Kiev have begun work at the scene of the disaster.

Comments

[seti]

We did not doubt you.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: seti

We did not doubt you.

Yes, we have worse experts, for example, a clown former employee of the Sukhoi Design Bureau Vadim Lukashevich.
I am surprised that there is no version of a collision with a bird. For this purpose, an eagle owl or a budgie who escaped from a board would be very suitable. And I understand, not so resonantly.

[NKT]

collision of an airplane with an unmanned aerial vehicle or other object

just eat

[Abbot]

At the same time, Danilov did not explain which version in the National Security and Defense Council consider priority, however, in the comments to the Ukrainian edition of "Censor.NET" (the materials of the publication were recognized as extremist and banned from distribution in Russia), he said that among the main ones was "the defeat of an aircraft by an air defense missile system, including "Tor" SAM, as information about the detection of rocket debris near the crash site has already appeared on the Internet. "

My God, who would doubt! Most importantly, the investigation into the downed Boeing MH17 was quickly pushed to the Netherlands. And on the disaster in Iran, here they are mega-experts with versions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Abbot

Most importantly, the investigation into the downed Boeing MH17 was quickly pushed to the Netherlands. As for the disaster in Iran, here they are mega-experts with versions.

That's understandable why the minke whales started fussing so much. One disaster was shoved aside for the Dutch, the second for the Americans. "Thor" has already been lit, now there is only a few left to declare "Moscow's hand" to the whole "mirsnami".

[bulvas]

And where is the version of the attack of the combat falcon that Putin recently presented either to the Emir from the Emirates, or to the King-Prince of Saudi?

Isn't that a Russian trace?

ZRK Tor = ZRK Buk, everything is clear here too

[Shurik70]

intelligence agencies of Canada, the United States and the European Union provided a preliminary report on the versions of the Ukrainian plane crash. According to intelligence, no external impact on the aircraft was recorded

Very interesting. The plane burned in the fall. It burned very much.
And against this backdrop, NATO is clearly striving to hush up the incident as quickly as possible.
But it should be absolutely the opposite.
It seems to me that Tehran is not an operation, but NATO.
Who did they liquidate so rudely?
https://yandex.ru/efir?from_block=efir_f5&stream_id=4be4c9baef3f7459a4e70418877e9411

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NKT

just eat

And so seven times ...

[dedusik]

Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) Alexei Danilov said there are three more versions of the crash in Iran.

The NSDC secretary told about this to Radio Liberty.

Danilov noted that there are seven versions in total, but three of them are still closed.

"We have seven versions - four are in the public domain, three versions are still closed. We can make the final decision when all the studies that need to be worked out in this case are carried out, "Danilov said.

[krops777]

I am surprised that there is no version of a collision with a bird.

But I don’t, in the spirit of fighting races, look for someone’s footprint.

[venik]

Quote: seti

We did not doubt you.

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Who would doubt that!
The following versions are considered in the NSDC:
- the defeat of the liner by an anti-aircraft missile, including the "Tor" air defense system,
- collision of an airplane with an unmanned aerial vehicle or other object,
- explosion and destruction of the engine as a result of a technical malfunction
- bomb explosion.
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"everything is clear to the court"! Of the four versions - at least THREE - you can "blame" on Russia !!!
And why does this not surprise me ???

[tihonmarine]

Quote: venik

"everything is clear to the court"! Of the four versions - at least THREE - you can "blame" on Russia !!

And another interesting fact in the investigation

Danilov added that the Ukrainian commission included experts who are investigating the crash of Boeing in the Donbass. He noted that while studying the causes of the crash in Tehran, the results of the investigation into the disaster with MH17 will be used.

All the same company, all the same faces. Nothing new. We look forward to continuing.

[major147]

Quote: venik

The following versions are considered in the NSDC:
- the defeat of the liner by an anti-aircraft missile, including the "Tor" air defense system,

And if it suddenly turns out that the plane was hit by a Patriot missile, then we are waiting for the NSDC statement that the Patriot not only did not damage the plane, but even helped it fly, but failed ...

[venik]

Quote: major147

And if it suddenly turns out that the plane was hit by a Patriot missile, then we are waiting for the NSDC statement that the Patriot not only did not damage the plane, but even helped it fly, but failed ...

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No, Major! Hard to believe in it! Still, Iran has air defense, and there are S-300s and Chinese and Iranian radars proper! Would notice !. (especially since the flight time is BIG enough!) ....
But DIVERSION! This is what I CAN believe! Moreover, before "all sorts of" Persians, Afghans, Ukrainians and other Europeans - "states" - deeply don't give a damn!!! The main thing is INTEREST "ELITE" !!!
Lord Eternal memory is DIED! AND CONDOLENCES to relatives and friends !!!
If, after all, this is a PROVOCATION (sabotage !?) - sooner or later it will "come out" !!!! And the guilty - at least NAME! (or they WILL PUNISH !!! - (although this is hard to believe!).

[Glory Ponomarev]

This is from the realm of fantasy, from Tehran to the nearest American base more than 500 km, "Patriot" hits a maximum of 300 like.

[Cananecat]

I’m surprised if Russia is not pulled by the ears ..

[Snail N9]

Why not attract Russia? They are already "pulling" - like a "Russian" missile, like "no one knows who controlled the air defense system", and in general "Iran is an ally of Russia and nobody knows what, they are planning together" and all that, in the same spirit.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Snail N9

They are already "pulling" - like a "Russian" missile, like "it is not known who controlled the air defense system"

Zhirinovsky was sitting at gunpoint, Bashirov was delivering shells, Pavlov was pulling a pen.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Canecat

I’m surprised if Russia is not pulled by the ears ..

To put aside surprise - the bourgeoisie did not let us down - the wave has started: country 404 is changing its assessment of the situation; and went https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/air-safety-experts-warn-lack-of-cooperation-will-cloud-ukraine-737-crash-investigation/136052.article: an authoritative publication and aggressively attracts the situation with MH17 using expressions: Ukrainian-Russian conflict и was shot down by a russian rocket; further down the list: need an independent investigation, and Iran ...
Nothing changes in this world, on the fate of mere mortals slaying spit

[Lelek]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Nothing changes in this world

Nothing changes in / on the Ruin. All the same Boeings, the same non-canceled flights in the conflict zone, the same rhetoric: "Our hut is extreme, we had a mustache in chocolate, it's their fault ...", well, yes, the desire to shit under our Door. The only thing that gives hope for the objectivity of the investigation is that the Americans and the "investigators" on the Ukrainian Boeing in Donbass were not allowed.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Lelek

which gives hope for the objectivity of the investigation, that Americans and "investigators" were not allowed

from the stronghold 'democracy'? This is certainly good and I personally am impressed by the position of Iran. But they will have to withstand a flurry of criticism: the manufacturer must participate, as well as representatives of the aviation authorities. I think the Iranians will send them, but they will have to look for ways to make this investigation open and prove the independence of the same investigators. I have to sweat, but I think they will finish the situation.

[dedusik]

Quote: Snail N9

Why not attract Russia? They are already "pulling" - like a "Russian" missile, like "no one knows who controlled the air defense system", and in general "Iran is an ally of Russia and nobody knows what, they are planning together" and all that, in the same spirit.

https://strana.ua/news/243533-boinh-v-irane-sbila-raketa-pochemu-ob-etom-zahovorili-v-ukraine.html

[Knell wardenheart]

Now Ukraine and Iran can be mentioned in the same news flow, to the great joy of our media ..

[mig29mks]

Version-5- the crew, all as one, performed the non-fallow anthem, version-6-zigzagged many times, on the Maidan a little + torchlight procession, but a lot of things.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mig29mks

the crew all as one performed the non-fallow anthem

How many times to say, "during takeoff and landing, you can not ride on the" plane ".

[dmmyak40]

Do not dance on the bones of people, especially the crew. Spoil your karma.

[mig29mks]

In hahlov, the degree of maydanity is off scale! I do not dance on bones, I ascertain!

[dmmyak40]

Let's start by saying that "x Okhlov".
Further: you all residents of Ukraine polls recorded in maydaunov? And including the crew? What gave the basis?
What you write is so delusional that I don't want to dispute it. Sick of the "opinions" of such "experts".
PS Something I do not remember that I.V. Stalin declared all Soviet people who had not had time to evacuate and remained in the occupation to be enemies of the people and traitors.

[mig29mks]

Will you explain to me? When relatives from "Ukraine or Khakhlyandiya" call and say that we are scum and do not want to know us anymore, these are the people whom we have helped all our lives !!! Yes, you would not go to a place with my relatives to hell, peacemaker and love a man !!!!!!

[Barmaleyka]

We are waiting for a cartoon about the transportation of a caravan of Russian air defense systems through the Caspian Sea to Iran

[Snail N9]

It was the same "omnipresent" "Buk" from "Hell".

[Victor_B]

Quote: Snail N9

It was the same "ubiquitous" "Buk" from "Hell"

"ubiquitous" "Buk" from "Zada"

[antivirus]

Earlier, Reuters reported that intelligence agencies in Canada, the United States and the European Union provided a preliminary report on versions of the disaster with a Ukrainian plane. According to intelligence, no external impact on the aircraft was recorded, a preliminary reason is the technical factor.

smart people in the west - quickly lay straws under a possible "terrorist attack", apparently controlled the fall, if everything became clear so quickly

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: antivirus

Earlier, Reuters reported that intelligence agencies of Canada, the United States and the European Union provided a preliminary report ...

I remember comrade Obama also said that there are images of space intelligence that confirm ... I apologize wildly for directness - they are all dew of god, determine the purpose and trample pannel at all

[dmmyak40]

There are big fears that the United States and others like them did not play the card with immediate and direct accusations of Iran for a more subtle game with flight recorders.
Iran, it seems to me, has only one way out: not to close information to the maximum within reasonable limits. Be sure to include the IAC in the investigation, be sure to officially invite representatives of Boeing and countries that had citizens on board. The findings of the Iranian authorities in the West will easily challenge and hang a bunch of labels. But the results of the IAC investigation will be challenged by oh, how difficult: the organization is serious, experts from many countries.
After the preliminary conclusions of the IAC about the crash of the B-737 FlyDubai in Rostov, the UAE authorities spoke a little, and subsequently recognized the final conclusions of the commission.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: dmmyak40

Iran, it seems to me, has only one way out: not to hide information to the maximum within reasonable limits

News seemed to say that Iran would even allow US representatives. Persians guys are not stupid, everyone understands

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: dmmyak40

Iran, it seems to me, has only one way out: not to hide information to the maximum within reasonable limits

News seemed to say that Iran would even allow US representatives. Persians guys are not stupid, everyone understands

It is not Iran’s Wishlist who decides whether or not to allow it, but ICAO rules. Iran will try to narcotize these rights and it will close the airspace

[Pete mitchell]

So Iran seems to be going to do it, they guys are not stupid

[ccsr]

Quote: antivirus

Earlier, Reuters reported that intelligence agencies in Canada, the United States and the European Union provided a preliminary report on versions of the disaster with a Ukrainian plane. According to intelligence, no external impact on the aircraft was recorded, a preliminary reason is the technical factor.

Most interestingly, of the four Ukrainian versions, none considers the remote impact on the on-board equipment of this aircraft, which could just lead to a fire on board - for example, programmatically disable one of the temperature control systems of some unit, and as a result, a fire.
Who in Soviet times was familiar with the PDITR measures, he knows very well that almost any foreign product can carry such bookmarks at the program level, which means that it can be used in any radio-electronic and computing equipment and on civil liners. Moreover, the developers of the aircraft will not even be dedicated to this, and no one will consider such a version of the accident. Snowden only indirectly confirmed what we knew back in the seventies, so it was not for nothing that this airliner, and just at that time and place, was in disaster.

[NIKN]

Well, an insert, not an insert, this is not a fact, but why if an engine fire occurred (an explosion is unlikely ... although this will only investigate, .., the aircraft was already in the set at the rated engine operating mode, not critical mode), could not localize it? There are two options:
1 The specified procedure was not completed during this incident (they did not turn on, did not turn off the power, did not shut off the fuel, or did this or that late)
2 The fire extinguishing system did not work, and there are 3 or 4 duplicated ones ...
An engine fire with the correct actions and regular operation of all systems should not have led to such consequences ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NIKNN

... An engine fire with the correct actions and regular operation of all systems should not have led to such consequences ...

Should not, but we must do everything right and do not forget to fly the plane. Of the fire extinguishing equipment there are only two fire extinguishers for engines, one in the tail for the APU and one for the cargo compartments.
There are few introductions, and the more non-Iranians get in, the more contradictions

[NIKN]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Introductory few

I’m talking about the same thing, I don’t want to engage in speculation about this .... I have given aviation for more than a year, so there’s no point in saying so far.

[Pete mitchell]

So far, have gone introductory from the bourgeoisie

Ну и видео впридачу https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0bL9BaV-Q7LrVRLunmoP_V6l3YXap1ATU3QSpJ7qk0pllBWkbCDkaIILQ.
So morning has come ...

[Pete mitchell]

It will be better

[ccsr]

Quote: NIKNN

Well, insert, not insert, this is not a fact,

There is a fact of the withdrawal of Iranian centrifuges by Israeli secret services by attacking computer networks, which is why Iran’s nuclear program was stopped for a long time. So you should not exclude exactly the same scenario for an American-made aircraft, especially since, as they themselves admitted, they knew that Iran would launch a missile strike.

Quote: NIKNN

Engine fire with proper action

This may be a cover version - the Americans are unlikely to advertise their ability to destroy any aircraft without combat destruction by air defense. By the way, after the real threat of creating "dirty nuclear bombs" in some countries, the question of how to eliminate such a threat was considered by many intelligence services of the world.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

none of the versions considers the remote impact on the on-board equipment of this aircraft, which could just lead to ... almost any foreign product can carry such bookmarks at the program level

I don’t want to agree with you, because it’s knocks out the soil. Technically, this is of course possible, practically it is quite difficult to implement, too many people are involved in the creation of the aircraft. For example, I already said today: a small box that controls the temperature of the engine is made by Italians, for example, then it is installed on the engine and connected to aircraft systems. Checking the parameters of completed flights is generally performed by independent companies - they have something to lose. Once witnessed how the Italians in two minutes repelled an attempt hitting on them and claims for compensation: everything was uploaded. And besides, 737, like all Boeing and not an on-line aircraft, unlike the A380, for example.

[ccsr]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Technically, this is of course possible.

We have always been taught that if it is theoretically possible, the adversary will certainly carry out work in this direction, and we must be sure that they will get the result, which we must foresee in advance.

Quote: Pete Mitchell

it’s pretty hard to implement,

It is enough to have the right specialist (agent) in the aircraft maintenance team, and during the testing of the equipment he can make changes to the software product that no one except him will recognize.

Quote: Pete Mitchell

too many people are involved in the creation of the aircraft.

The fact of the matter is that such manipulations will be done after they are already in use, which is why none of the developers and creators of the aircraft will know about it.

[Pete mitchell]

I understand this all, but at least it is necessary to ensure the complete destruction of the information carrier, to clean it up, after disasters some boards are completely gutted.
Even uploading updates to systems excludes the possibility of unauthorized input of additional information. On planes, these matters are monitored and God forbid that you make a mistake. If not, then everything is sad

[ccsr]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

If not, then everything is sad

A modern aircraft has at least four communication channels of different ranges (HF, VHF, UHF), and which have access to the on-board equipment, and in any case they can be used to enter some commands that can activate functions that cannot be detected when routine checks. If we carried out remote explosions in the Great Patriotic War in Kharkov and elsewhere, it is naive to believe that the Americans, having control over the global level of the network and communication systems, abandoned such an effective way of war during special operations.

[Pete mitchell]

Well, specifically, in 737, no communication system has access to equipment, except for digital, aka data link: it uses a computer screen to display messages. Again, I repeat - uploading updates to the system is a bit scrupulous and impossible in flight.
If there is even the slightest confirmation of such an opportunity - this is simply a collapse, there will be no good. Even on the A380, which itself is always always on-line, you cannot load anything from outside in flight, Boeing and not on-line aircraft.
In fairness, it should be noted: the fact of hacking an aircraft through an entertainment system was 777 was hacked by a hacker sitting on the plane - but fortunately it was only a demonstration of the hacker's capabilities on the ground.

[ccsr]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

In fairness, it should be noted: the fact of hacking an airplane through an entertainment system was, 777 was hacked by a hacker sitting on an airplane

This was known for a long time, he just became insolent to the point that he decided to simply advertise himself.

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Again, I repeat - uploading updates to the system is a bit scrupulous and impossible in flight.

There was one sad case with our BTA aircraft when it was in one of the intermediate airfields, and on which American specialists were admitted. Then this plane disappeared over the ocean for no reason, and only a full analysis of the situation showed that they made a bookmark on the plane. So do not think that there is no US agent in Iran - that would be naive.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

what did they bookmark on the plane

Under the definition tab in this case, what do you mean? They left explosive device or were able to remotely climb into the brains of an airplane

[ccsr]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

They left an explosive device or were able to remotely climb into the brain of an airplane

In the case of the Ukrainian Boeing, of course, we are talking about "brains".

[Pete mitchell]

Let’s wait a bit with Ukrainian, it’s just a mess of information; neither the crew nor the plane seems to be involved. A little higher there are already pictures from the bourgeoisie
I'm talking about BTA aircraftinteresting and myself never encountered

[ccsr]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

With Ukrainian let's wait a bit,

I considered a version that the Ukrainian side is ignoring. We will wait for the results of the official investigation.

I understand when, during the collapse of the country, businessmen were weird there

No matter how odd businessmen were, the MO was the gas supplier, and there they always impose strict requirements on the use of all foreign.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

considered a version that the Ukrainian side ignores

If this version we talked about, then I think it will never be voiced, even if they find something

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

the sad case of our BTA aircraft when it was in one of the intermediate airfields, and to which American specialists were admitted. Then this plane disappeared over the ocean for no reason, and only a full analysis of the situation showed that they made a bookmark on the plane

Is there an opportunity to highlight this situation?

[ccsr]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Is there an opportunity to highlight this situation?

Here's what the network has about it:

July 18, 1970 An-22 N02-07 (USSR-09307), crew commander Major A. Boyarintsev, while providing international assistance to the people of Peru, who suffered from the earthquake, disappeared over the ocean 47 minutes after departure from the Keflavik airport. The reason for his disappearance was never identified.

It is known that the US military was on board this aircraft before departure, allegedly with the aim of checking the cargo.

[Pete mitchell]

an opinion was expressed that the propeller blades had come off: he was being serviced and the technician at the factory with a sharp knife cut off the gaskets in the root of the blade — a micro crack appeared, which increased with time and detachment. There was another incident, and they returned. Of course, this is not easier.
Some kind of sad day ..

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

we are talking about "brains".

The topic is probably to say the least painful for the military-industrial complex. I understand when, when the country collapsed, businessmen were weird there - they just wanted to cut money quickly. But connivance of responsible officials - really remembered good old man Brzezinski: Are you sure this is your elite?
I don’t know how everything is happening there now and I want to hope for the best, but I hope that the lessons of the Mistral and other attempts join the democratic process learned and will be the results.

[Karen]

Quote: ccsr

If we made remote explosions in the Great Patriotic War in Kharkov and in other places

I want to emphasize who led the work of the techies of these devices ... Bekauri, Georgians ...

[Barmaleyka]

I'm certainly not an expert, but ....
but did the Sumerians put Chinese engines on engines?

[seti]

Quote: Barmaleyka

I'm certainly not an expert, but ....
but did the Sumerians put Chinese engines on engines?

On the 6th of last month there was a scheduled check of this aircraft. But let me remind you, we are talking about Boeing. And in its electronic components for sure there is firmware for controlling the aircraft from the outside or turning off engines at a distance. The plane itself is new - most likely here we are dealing with a provocation ..

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: seti

On the 6th of last month there was a scheduled check of this aircraft.

by whom, if Boeing specialists is one thing, if Sumerians are another

Quote: seti

The plane itself is new - most likely here we are dealing with a provocation ..

which side? !!!!!!

[NKT]

UIA in Boryspil has a service center for performing C-check for B737 (like up to C4) and D-check. So they can do almost everything at home.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: NKT

So they can do almost everything at home.

that is, without attracting Boeing specialists themselves ?!

[NKT]

They have withCertified Boeing CenterOf course yourself.

[Barmaleyka]

that is, purely theoretically, the left parts can deliver?

[NKT]

Purely theoretically - yes, as well as S7 Technics, which serves Aeroflot aircraft as well.

[dmmyak40]

In the Ministry of Water, the guys from S7 even paint the sides from Azerbaijan, and only the service ...

[dzvero]

MAX Boeing actually certified themselves ...

[Pete mitchell]

My dear, stop flogging nonsense already

Quote: seti

its electronic components probably have firmware for controlling the aircraft from the outside or turning off engines at a distance

Can you imagine how all this is connected? If you feel better, then the small box responsible for adjusting the engine temperature is made by Italians, but this is not the case

[siemens7774]

They simply drove the plane. According to flydetals, it flew 8 flights in two days. To London, Milan, Teheran

[NKT]

Why buy a plane so that it stands? In order for him to pay for himself, he must constantly fly (except for checks), change the crew and go.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: siemens7774

The plane was just driven

I would say that the plane did not fly much: 8 sectors in two days - this is not much

[andrewkor]

But the passports of Bashirov and his friend were not found among the debris of the Boeing? Strange, they should be!

[kupitman]

found boots of a cat of violins

[Snail N9]

Skripaley cat suffered a martyrdom, in the dungeons of MI6 as a martyr, a cat left (radio operator Kat).

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Now Bellingcat will connect and get some nonsense, just to blame Iran

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Salavat EMERCOM

Now Bellingcat will connect and make some nonsense

already
"Ukrainian Boeing 737 in Iran could have been shot down by the Tor-M1 air defense missile system - the debris of the missile has already been found (PHOTOS)"
https://actual.today/ukrainskij-boeing-737-v-irane-mog-byt-sbit-zrk-tor-m1-oblomki-rakety-uzhe-obnaruzheny-foto/

[kupitman]

Already the photo was placed by a fragment from a rocket, but only the tail part is sfotkana there and there is no reference to the terrain

[30hgsa]

Hmm, we’re ready to crap the memory of our dead just to push through a fake about Russia ...
Given the obviousness of the fake and the fact that Russia is not represented at all in this zone - if blaming, blaming Iran, for example, is doubly sad.
Dullness and meanness.

[kupitman]

They will say: "Here, Iran shot down, the Russians put a missile" - catch the sanctions.
Or: "The Russians specially placed a missile tied to the Boeing in advance."
Stupidly? The dumber the lie, the easier it will be believed.
These cunning Russians can do anything, especially when it comes to the possibility of encouraging democracy ...

[30hgsa]

The point is not that a lie, it's not that a stupid lie, the point is that it is mean to their own 9 crew members who died to disperse such a fake ... especially when it is already clear that the mattress makers do not need a conflict and already announced that it fell for technical reasons. Already in all foreign media it is clearly infa - "I fell myself", because mattress mates do not need a conflict with Iran now, they turned back and even swallowed missile strikes. In this regard, the Ukrainians look like sheer idiots and scoundrels because they are promoting a version that everyone has already rejected, including the "Canadian special services".

[kupitman]

oh, by the way, today I found out that there is Canadian intelligence

[cniza]

Quote: kupitman

oh, by the way, today I found out that there is Canadian intelligence

Everything is logical, the citizens of Canada died there most of all.

[siemens7774]

Iranians with Canadian citizenship.

[75 Sergey]

Was there a connection between the pilots and the control room or not?

[kupitman]

pilots didn’t report a malfunction, it seems that they lost contact or when an emergency began to develop, the pilots were no longer in touch ...

[Pete mitchell]

Flightglobal claims there was no connection.

[dmmyak40]

Explain what does this mean? Did the board give itself permission to take off, give the exit scheme and give the flight level? I just can not figure it out.

[Pete mitchell]

According to the Iranians, they did not get in touch after take-off and did not report anything about the problems: either there was no connection or they were not up to it

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

According to the Iranians, they did not get in touch after take-off and did not report anything about the problems: either there was no connection or they were not up to it

What have you all done to this connection. In 99,99% of air crashes, pilots do not report anything. They are stupidly not up to it

[Pete mitchell]

Probably I would like them to do everything right and there was no connection for other reasons. They should have reported, at least May Day say, three times ..

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Probably I would like them to do everything right and there was no connection for other reasons. They should have reported, at least May Day say, three times ..

I can repeat what was said to another user

You are driving a car, in a turn you are driven. Your actions:
1. With both hands on the steering wheel and feet on the pedals to keep the car?
Or
2. Throw the steering wheel and pedals and start dialing your wife’s number to inform you that you have problems with the car?

[Pete mitchell]

Are you associated with working in the cabin?

[Liam]

I'm connected with common sense

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Liam

I'm connected with common sense

This is great. So in modern aviation there is such a science crew resource management, which, among others, includes workload management, communication, as well as decision making. Translated into Russian: they should have tried to inform - either they were busy or the connection did not work. Having a connection in itself is a characteristic of the situation. Moreover, there was a third in the cockpit

[Liam]

How cute. And what did the pilots have to say? This?
https://mobile.twitter.com/narimangharib/status/1215334836937928705

Quote: Pete Mitchell

crew resource management

Don’t write nonsense. What does CRM have to do with this

[Pete mitchell]

No more questions. Perhaps I will take my leave and leave you with your common sense

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Take off

The first common thought in the last 3-4 posts)

Quote: Pete Mitchell

No more questions.

But I have one. Open your brains and answer such a question. According to FR24, the data was transmitted from the aircraft transponder instantly. What does this mean?
This will be more important than nonsense about CRM. At the same time, you can understand, if you master the reason for disconnecting the transponder, that the home-talk topic about why the pilots were silent, is exclusively a topic for profane

[Pete mitchell]

What are you doing in life? If not a secret of course

[Pete mitchell]

Although it doesn’t matter: I think you can read carefully, compare.

Quote: Pete Mitchell

they should have tried to report - either they were busy or the connection was not working. Having a connection in itself is a characteristic of the situation. Moreover, there was a third in the cockpit

FlightGlobal: The absence of a distress call or other transmission could point to the crew's prioritizing the handling of the aircraft. But the sudden cessation of publicly-available data transmissions from the aircraft, as it climbed to its assigned altitude, could also indirectly indicate a situation that overwhelmed its systems.
About CRM do not forget, this is useful

[Liam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

read carefully

Mnogabukff

Quote: Pete Mitchell

About CRM

Communication is the last thing a pilot does. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.

[dmmyak40]

I’ll tell you a big secret: the crew has a clear separation of duties, especially at the take-off stage. I don’t know how you divide duties in your crew, but in my crew everything was simple: piloting - on the left, communication and control - on the right. Or vice versa. And - let's go.
I put a minus to your comments, as you write about what you have no clue about. About a little rude to those who are directly connected with this. Learn the materiel: for starters, read the RLE of a plane, check out the IPP for a couple of airfields. And come back - we will exchange opinions.

[Pete mitchell]

Good morning Now this is generally the norm: one flying and is primarily responsible for management; the second ensures its work - communications, inspections, bureaucracy .. Intercepting control of the Commander in case of tension is, in principle, not welcome from the first day of commissioning, of course the situation.
Hinting to a colleague, God forbid, of course, on CRM, I basically hinted at the standard logic of actions: if there was an opportunity, they would at least tell me maybe day. But judging by the emerging data among the bourgeois - they did not have the opportunity: a fatal situation

[Liam]

Quote: dmmyak40

I will reveal a big secret

A multibuffer about a spherical pilot in a vacuum, which has nothing to do with the specific case under discussion.

Quote: dmmyak40

put a minus

Whatever the child is not amusing)

[dmmyak40]

What a funny Kyu you are! You know about letters, math, probably, passed ... Even a lot "bukf"you know how to type! You can immediately see a literate person! Continue writing - I am intrigued: what other wise idea a user who registered on November 15.11.2019, XNUMX will give birth to.
Only below I ask: hint what sphere you work in. In order for us to filter discourse in communication with such a significant person.
And about the cons - I agree. I will amuse myself.

[dmmyak40]

I think that if there was an opportunity, they would let know. Most likely, the situation was so transient that it simply either wasn’t before, or simply physically couldn’t do anything.
If the voice recorders and the pilots' bodies survived, then at least one thing will be clear: did the crew know about the problems. I think it's called stress kidney syndrome. I read about him in the results of the investigation into the crash of the An-24 charter from Stavropol over Cherkessk. They then, by 6, simply fell apart into several parts and so fell. Horror!

[Pete mitchell]

Again

Quote: dmmyak40

there would be an opportunity, they would let know. Most likely, the situation was so transient that it simply either wasn’t before, or simply physically couldn’t do anything.

Bourgeois already from yesterday ~ 17: 00z issue a version about the rocket, and there is already a video

Horrible concrete, land to them rest in peace

[bar]

they say about malfunction pilots did not report

They say the pilots did not contact the earth at all.

[rocket757]

Versions, versions ... deserve to be!

[Retvizan 8]

It is strange that the strongest intelligence services in the region are probably American, Israeli, Turkish, and of course Russian, and a statement about a possible terrorist attack is made by some "Canadian intelligence".

[knn54]

As the version-plane is old. And the documents are new

[kventinasd]

Would Trupchinov, the first thing would be put forward a version of the Russian track.

[fruit_cake]

when in 2014 the pots told me that in 2001 it was not Ukraine that shot down a Russian plane flying from Israel, but Russia itself to blame Ukraine for this, then I realized that you can diagnose the pan

[eagle owl]

Yes, Petrov and Boshirov, bullshit you have been thinking all day!

[Jack O'Neill]

Why are they so harsh about the version that the airliner shot down Iran?

Data from flightradar24. The track abruptly breaks off without visible anomalies.
But how is it that the engines failed?

Graphs of speed / altitude. And again a sharp break ...

And where, excuse me, are the traces of the striking elements of missiles?
In the photo they are clearly visible.

It is obvious that Boeing caught SAM.

Vidos crash.

[prodd]

The infernal kinetic energy of the nuts from hitting the ground allowed them to draw 20 cm strips along the sheet of metal)) either an explosion or a rocket

[30hgsa]

The thickness of the lining of the passenger liner in the thickest place is about 1-2 mm of an aluminum-based alloy, if you did not know. And so, how is it in the old advertisement? Sometimes it’s better to chew than speak - I’ll supplement it, sometimes it’s better to download than print.

[prodd]

Write more in VO, as I understand it, you will not, in light of the fact that a Boeing shot down the Iranian Thor?

[30hgsa]

So far, no information has been brought down by anyone. But I offer you a bet on this, since your partner is a p and n d about with n and to z and with with with and.
If the IAC or other international investigative body official (non-Ukrainian) recognizes the shooting with the help of air defense systems - I leave. If not, you are leaving.
Well, so?

[prodd]

I agree, if the poppy says that there is a technical malfunction, then goodbye IN))))

[30hgsa]

A bit wrong. I am leaving if the attack or SAM. You leave if a technical malfunction or pilot error, as well as a collision with a bird. OK? Naturally, we are talking about the IAC (or another international official investigative body, if it is created for investigation).

[prodd]

Have agreed

[30hgsa]

then hands

[prodd]

Yes, of course, even stop visiting the site

[prodd]

I hope you have the power to apologize to a stranger whom you just insulted and leave the site with "your truth"

[prodd]

Something you are not friends with logic at all, Iran admitted to shooting down a Boeing, do you think the poppy will have other conclusions? You insult me ​​too.

[Jack O'Neill]

The infernal kinetic energy of the nuts from hitting the ground allowed them to draw 20 cm strips along the sheet of metal)) either an explosion or a rocket

The bottom line is that some comrades will break into borscht, but they will defend Iran. After all, Iran is the "enemy" of the States, therefore they will pull it out by hook or by crook.
Double standards are in the order of things.

[Jack O'Neill]

What are **** traces of the damaging elements?
Any "holes" are you already signs of GGE defeat?

Where are the "holes" from? Before takeoff poked with screwdrivers?

But do thoughts even come to your head? I'm not talking about the idea that there are traces of falling onto the ground, but everything lies on that ground, including stones?

Yeah, stones, spherical in shape, which also come in at sharp angles ...

Have you ever seen those damaging elements or traces of them?

I haven’t seen it live, but there is something to compare. For this, special courses are not needed, just the initial logic.

Here is an example shot down An-26 from Buk.

Yeah, the stones flew in ...

[prodd]

But what about the explosion inside the aircraft? Elements have too much kinetic energy to just hit the ground

[30hgsa]

Once again for you. I already wrote above. Aircraft skin thickness - in places less than 1 mm of aluminum alloy. In the thickest places - 2 mm. Alloy based on aluminum. Does this mean something to you? Here's a photo of DS-3 which crashed in 1973 in Iceland. But he will be stronger than the binogs and the speed there will be different. What do you think they shot down from a machine gun?

[dzvero]

Launching missiles and its flight, unnoticed by anyone and in any way? Was the radar in stealth mode? At that time Iran was 100% “under the hood” of all available intelligence assets. It would be like this, the Americans would not miss the opportunity to lead the Iranians with a face on the table.

[30hgsa]

People hype on the tragedy. They do not need logic.

[prodd]

Americans see a high temperature point (rocket engine) and its coordinates almost anywhere in the world. I wonder what they will say.

[hohol95]

On July 3, 1988, an Airbus A300B2-203 airliner flew from Tehran, the capital of Iran. He headed first to the south of Iran, to the city of Bandar Abbas, and then to Dubai, the UAE. Onboard there were 274 passengers, including 65 children, and 16 crew members.
And seven minutes later, being over the Persian Gulf, he was shot down by a rocket, tearing it in two. No one survived.
The missile was launched by the American cruiser Vincennes, which was located in the Strait of Hormuz under the pretext of protecting Kuwaiti tankers from attacks from warring between Iran and Iraq.
The main reason for the incident in the official report was the psychological state of the Vincennes team, operating in a combat situation under great pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the airliner with the alleged attack profile of an Iranian fighter.
US President Ronald Reagan said the United States will offer financial compensation to the families of the victims, but he refused to acknowledge the legal responsibility and laid the blame for what happened on the Iranian government.

WHOSE ZUR brought down a Boeing ???
If for you everything is so obvious share your own version of what happened!

[Romka]

Suspicion is just when versions with a terrorist attack (external influence) are swept away immediately.

[thinker]

publication materials recognized as extremist and banned from distribution in Russia

Well, do not distribute!

Iranian Civil Aviation Organization published on its website on the Internet preliminary report on the investigation of the causes of the crash of the Boeing 737 of Ukraine International Airlines after taking off from Tehran Airport.

https://www.aex.ru/news/2020/1/9/206828/

[Svetlana]

Regarding the priority versions of which are not yet available: Give time and they will appear, more at first, with almost no texture, all conceivable and unthinkable options (versions) are worked out. And as you work them out, as the puzzle is added to the picture, the excess will be discarded.

[ciujoilu]

I had no doubt that Putin was in Syria and on the second day the Ukrainian plane crashed. No wonder Putin went on a business trip

[bar]

According to Danilov, currently the following versions are considered in the National Security and Defense Council

Kiev, of course, knows better what happened there. Even without black boxes. We have already seen fragments of "tori" with Russian markings on Google maps.

[Avior]

... in the comments to the Ukrainian edition of "Censor.NET" (the materials of the publication were recognized as extremist and prohibited for distribution in Russia), he said that among the main ones was "the defeat of the aircraft by an air defense missile system, including the Tor

This is an ordinary thrown substance on a fan by an anonymous author.
The anti-aircraft missile version is considered on a par with other versions and does not stand out among others
The usual manipulation - he said that the main four versions of the investigation, and in this article one of them suddenly turned into the main
In the original, it looks like this

Vivchayutsya rizny version of the rapeseed padіnnya litaka, middle main:
...

And then comes the listing of 4 major versions
And the author has a small permutation of words, and the version with the zrc suddenly turned into the only basic

[cniza]

the defeat of the liner by an anti-aircraft missile, including the "Tor" air defense system, a collision of an aircraft with an unmanned aerial vehicle or other object, an explosion and destruction of an engine as a result of a technical malfunction, and an explosion from inside the aircraft as a result of a terrorist attack.

Cool people with such options ...

[classic46]

Well, what do you want, the Ukrainians are greyhound and there is something. The whole policy of Moscow comes down to a game of peepers, who will spend some time. The IMF gave $ 28 billion and repays this money with interest, and ours will simply give $ 18 billion to them in five years. Surkov’s policy came down to giveaways to Chubat’s. When our patriots fight, Putin pulls out the Nazis from Ilovaisk, treats us and takes interviews as Ukrainian militants are well-fed and shod. And, as a result, a 400-km-long border stub from LDNR remained. Everyone seems to remember how from our president angrily waved his fists and promised to protect everyone in the Donbass, but guys like Kissinger arrived and the rhetoric changed immediately. As long as decisions will be made, such as Mr. Surkov, they will only laugh at us, beg for money and beat. we will only do what to pay, support and God forbid we will respond proportionately, otherwise they will declare the aggressor and block visas for the children of Matvienko / Peskov.

[shark]

Yesterday I was surprised that Russia is not attracted to the crash in Iran. And now everything falls into place. Putin is to blame. And who else, especially the Sumerians.

[Do not care]

Iran has already stated that the black boxes are damaged and part of the memory is lost:

[Simargl]

Quote: the extremist publication "Censor.NET" (and the PMCM fake launcher)

among the main [versions] - "the defeat of the aircraft by an air defense missile system, including the Tor air defense missile system, since information about the discovery of missile debris near the crash site has already appeared on the Internet."

Quote: Intelligence Canada, the US and the European Union

Earlier, Reuters reported that according to the preliminary report on the versions of the intelligence disaster, no external impact on the aircraft was recorded, the preliminary reason is the technical factor.

Judging by these data, information about the detection of rocket debris near the crash site has already appeared on the Internet and is recursive ...
In addition, in support of this comment can already be referenced.

[Gogia]

We look at this link and read below
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1214988917046468608?s=21
It becomes clear that this photo may not come from Iran at all ...

And very much even from the Ukrainian "forest or swamp brothers".
And generally ale! rocket men! tell me what fragment in the photo?

[Do not care]

In the picture 9M330 SAM

[Referent]

Sorry for the dead people, I offer sincere condolences. The political elite of Ukraine does not even surprise ... A couple of days later they will name the guilty Russian military in a family name.

[Prisoner]

"At the same time, Danilov did not explain which version is considered a priority in the NSDC ..." (c) Which owner will say this and will be considered. Delov something.

[cat Rusich]

The plane crashed on 08.01.20/4/404. , the wreckage has not cooled yet, and already XNUMX (four) main versions - why not XNUMX? - there wasn’t enough imagination ...