The USC clarified the timing of establishing the exact damage to the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr

The exact amount of damage from the fire on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser has not yet been determined; the commission’s work will be completed by the end of January this year. This was stated by the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov.

Answering the corresponding question of journalists, Rakhmanov said that the size of the damage caused by the fire to “Admiral Kuznetsov” has not been precisely determined to date, the commission continues to work on the ship, the results are expected by the end of this month.

There is certainly damage. We cannot yet say how much, since the survey of the ship has not yet been completed. But at the same time, from the point of view of purchased and installed equipment, almost everything is provided for in the budget for modernization

- said Rakhmanov.

In December last year, it was reported that the total amount of damage would be understood only by the end of the first quarter of 2020. Also in December, some media reported that the damage caused to the aircraft-carrying cruiser by fire amounted to 95 billion rubles. However, later this information was disproved.

Recall that on December 12, 2019, a fire broke out at the ongoing repair and modernization of the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr, the area of ​​which reached 500 square meters. meters. Fire extinguishing took almost a day. A preliminary reason is that the spark from the welding gets into diesel fuel. During the fire, 14 people were injured, and two servicemen were killed.

According to the USC plans, the transfer of Admiral Kuznetsov to the customer is scheduled for 2022 year.

Comments

[Sitearvi]

Our poor long-suffering Kuzya, how much can you scoff at you. Would be sent to rest, the torment would end.

[GKS 2111]

Quote: Saitarvi

Would be sent to rest, the torment would end.

Would send to rest, would have ended the school of carrier-based aviation .. In the United States and older serve, if you talk about it now ..

[Sitearvi]

"Would have ended the school of carrier-based aviation .."

Let them train in Crimea while they build a new one.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Saitarvi

Let them train in Crimea while they build a new one.

In this case (with a similar approach), you should not have sex with a partner, but with a silicone doll Zina ...
(We bought rubber Zina at the store!)

[Vol4ara]

Quote: GKS 2111

Quote: Saitarvi

Would be sent to rest, the torment would end.

Would send to rest, would have ended the school of carrier-based aviation .. In the United States and older serve, if you talk about it now ..

And what are our deck aircraft, please remind. From which year in the ranks also indicate, and which promising are being developed

[bayard]

Quote: Vol4ara

And what are our deck aircraft, please remind.

Su-33 (since the beginning of the 90s they have been serving), MiG-29K, MiG-29KUB (these are new at all).

Quote: Vol4ara

and what promising are being developed

Proposed for adaptation to the deck version of the MiG-35, Su-57, Yakovlev Design Bureau received an order to develop a new VTOL aircraft.
The Yak-44 was developed as a carrier-based AWACS, and now the Chinese are trying to sculpt its clone.

[Mityay65]

Quote: bayard

Yak-44, now the Chinese are trying to sculpt his clone.

Where did this infa come from, could you clarify? Yak-44 never existed in metal. The plane itself is a variation on the Hokai theme. Of interest were the radar and the repeater, as it seems to me.

[bayard]

Yak-44 existed only as a project and a full-size layout. Apparently his technical documentation was bought out or otherwise obtained by Chinese comrades - I saw a photo of an exact copy of the Yak-44 in China in the parking lot. The engines are similar to NK-12, coaxial screws - like the Tu-95.
In Russia, work on the Yak-44 was discontinued, since the Ulyanovsk was not completed.

[mvg]

The United States and older serve

it's not about age. there are atomic Nimitts, 100 tons, 000 catapults and an air wing with 3 sides. and here is a parachute, from 90 to 91 as many as 2018 exits to the database, with 5 aircraft wing, some of which he regularly drowns. legends can be made about his military campaigns. about exercises, too, what is it worth going out alone to do exercises on air defense. for a second he only has a dagger. costs itself either at the repair, or at the bank., and the taxpayers' money is dripping. ready pilots, about 12 people left. and there only money vbuh and vbuh

[Romka]

It’s impossible - this is a "sacred cow." Rather, Rogozin flies to the moon, than the recoil from this monster. Nobody says that Russia does not need a fleet, but everything that is happening now around the ship is fars. Russia is not able to independently master the modern reconstruction and maintenance of such a colossus. A solution was found when they decided to purchase the construction of two helicopter carriers. There is nothing shameful in this. It is a shame when the fleet on its own cannot even transport submarines, but does it with the help of a Dutch ship (sold by us, which in turn was built by the Finns), it is a shame not to have our own modern docks, rescue equipment and much more without which a modern fleet is impossible.

[mvg]

modern reconstruction and maintenance of such a colossus

Vikramadity jointly for $ 3,3 billion. Apparently they want to fit into this amount. 80 upgrade, 100 dry dock for upgrade, let's say 50 fire, plus a drowned dock and a new air group. Who cuts a chicken laying golden eggs, everyone understands this. While money is going to Kuzyu, there will constantly be something around to sink, burn, break. there are not a dozen contractors on this feeds.
MiG, Almaz-Antey, Star .. these are only large ones.

[Romka]

I agree, the money will be spent as it should be, but will there be a result? A lot of money is being pumped into the Crimean infrastructure too, well, that’s clear. And there is a result. And even some kind of payback will be. And here?

[Proxima]

Quote: Saitarvi

Would be sent to rest, the torment would end.

Than the aircraft carrier is guilty if there is a complete gagging around ?! It is necessary to send to rest the corresponding "comrades" guilty of this lawlessness! If you are hinting that the “Admiral Kuznetsov” is out of date, then this is not true! The serial brother of our aircraft carrier (Liaoning, the former Varyag) regularly serves the Chinese and is not going to send him to retirement!

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Is there discipline in the Sevmorflot?
Who is responsible for the fire?
Is it time to manage to appoint an aunt,
Fleet, if there was a boob commanded?

[mvg]

former "Varangian") regularly serves the Chinese

serves as training, and also ruins planes. but there is a completely new boat. the new GEM, the same boilers, but in the mind, the new planes, the same SU-33 but with AFAR and the ability to work on the ground, another air defense, another BIOS and serve, as a whole from the heart. and this one hangs from repair to repair. like Ananidze in Spartak or Dzagoev among the army.

[Proxima]

Quote: mvg

former "Varangian") regularly serves the Chinese

serves as training, and also ruins planes

The “Varangian” is so bad for the Chinese that they commissioned another such Shandong twin aircraft carrier. It turns out that Ukraine for 20 million dollars to the Chinese did not sell scrap metal, but the Soviet school of aircraft carrier shipbuilding! So much for the “training” aircraft carrier! I do not argue, the Chinese are studying properly!

[mvg]

Shandong twin aircraft carrier

he’s not quite a twin, he is “thicker” plus the technology of work needs to be worked out. we also wanted with the Mistrals. documentation, technology, its own construction of two more.
with the money that swells into this undership, five Gorshkovs can be built. they will go to sea and solve problems. and this is .. disabled. still not being repaired, as happened.

[Romka]

Well, Dzagoev was at least once useful ...

[bk316]

other BIOS

Straight BIOS, maybe still another BIOSУFROM?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Saitarvi

Poor our long-suffering Kuzya,

Our poor long-suffering Saytarvi (Eminulakh Zeydullahovich)

Quote: Saitarvi

how much can you scoff at you. Would be sent to rest, the torment would end.

[Vol4ara]

According to established tradition, compensation for damage must be assigned to welders

[evgenii67]

I don’t understand why you were so bombarded? Kuzya was really tired and tired even when he first took up duty. The whole history of Kuzi- is a clumsy campaign, and after a long repair, a repair trip, etc. Make a museum out of it, or specifically for connoisseurs of DECK AVIATION, anchor it, leave it
2-3 supply companies (electric supply both to print, to scrub and paint the deck ...) and pilots train them. And so we need a new aircraft carrier, and preferably 2-3 and preferably with a nuclear power plant. But these are dreams, at best, something similar will appear by the year 40.

[Roman070280]

In 17, they planned to spend 70 billion on modernization.
But ..

For example, during the modernization of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier cruiser for India, the project cost increased from the initial $ 700 million to the final $ 3 billion by the time the ship was delivered to the customer.

I think that with Kuzey there will be no less growth ..
Then we add damage in the accident of a floating dock .. Plus then a fire ..
And in the fire everything that was done after the repair after the accident with the PD burned out .. where everything that was done before was drowned .. And this fire was certainly not the last emergency ..

And the amounts are really cosmic !! There are 3 lard $, now another 3 lard .. then the debts of Yanukovych, then the fines of Gazprom ..
But $ 3 billion is "just" about 1000 apartment buildings .. that's half of an average town .. from scratch !!
It drowned a little, burned out a little .. then it turned out that "in order to save money" they decided to close the project ..

Although, I agree .. the aircraft carrier itself is not to blame for anything .. tormenting him and the whole country are slightly different ..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

The analogy with Gorshkov is incorrect. Even if only because 700 million included repair of the ship, and 3 billion included the development of a carrier-based fighter and the construction of an air wing. And then - the peculiarities of bargaining, although the Indians were directly told that it was necessary to spend more than 700 million they rested on this figure.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Saitarvi

Would be sent to rest, the torment would end.

Then, in your opinion, if a person is sick, you also need to send him to rest.

[Roman070280]

And what do they do with a person who needs an expensive operation, for example, for a heart transplant, etc. .. ??
For everyone, it will not work for SMS-kami on the first channel ..

[NIKN]

Quote: Saitarvi

Would be sent to rest, the torment would end.

But who will send a hen laying golden eggs for officials?

[Stas157]

There was information that the damage caused to the aircraft-carrying cruiser by fire amounted to 95 billion rubles. However, later this information was disproved.

More? How many? One billion less? In general, in which direction was refuted? It seems hesitate to call.

[bessmertniy]

When they start asking, then you can figure out how much of this is required to pay damages, and how much to cut.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bessmertniy

When they start asking, then you can figure out how much of this is required to pay damages, and how much to cut.

Yes, they already begged with a margin.

We cannot yet say how much, since the survey of the ship has not yet been completed. But at the same time, from the point of view of purchased and installed equipment, almost everything is provided for in the budget for modernization

[Lexus]

Well, if only a whole block was taken for fault detection and observation, then all the more there are vague doubts that they will be repaired in 1,5. The Ministry of Defense cannot formulate the technical specifications for repairs, and the USC sucks the price out of its finger, so that it does not get for an excessive appetite for tinsel, does not offend itself and does not deprive "benefactors" (lobbyists).
And the rule that applies to small private traders who got into government contracts - "you have what remains after the" cut ", and try not to do it - will only stretch the agony and only postpone sending" on pins and needles. "

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Offhand, the damage from the fire amounted to several billion rubles from the force. But they didn’t name everything for the same reason - first you need to draw up a deectuation, and evaluate it. Before that, any figure is fortune-telling on coffee grounds. And yes, the damage is to compensate the plant, through whose fault there was a fire, and not MO

[Roman070280]

the damage is to compensate the plant, through whose fault there was a fire, and not MO

Well then - the brigade, through whose fault the fire occurred, and not the plant ..
Or even .. to the welder .. through whose fault there was a fire ..

It is clear that neither the welders, nor the plant will have hundreds of millions of dollars ..
And even if it rests on the shoulders of Moscow Oblast .. it’s all the same exclusively at our expense ..
Other sources of money, acre of the people, do not exist ..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

No, not the brigade, namely the plant. And the factory itself may ask the brigade, but it is hard to ask if the brigade is not completely responsible and the TAVKR was not transferred to them according to the documents :)))
However, and then tormented :)
It is unlikely that anyone will help the plant — unless they will help with a loan if there is absolutely no money, but the plant will again give it back. And yes, if the plant goes bankrupt, then it will be redeemed by the one who will have the money to answer for its obligations.
You are, of course, right, in the sense that for the country as a whole, this is a loss - like any disaster. But we have a lot of disasters, much worse than the fire. For example, the same Chubais and Rusnano. In general, it is possible that the money will be found simply due to the fact that they will not be squandered in another disaster

[Marconi41]

The factory will not work. The crew was on board, which means that it is he who is responsible for ensuring the safety of welding operations, namely the commander of the BS-5, who was supposed to check the location of these works, designate the military personnel and the necessary armament for BZZh. In general, all that is required by the ROZh RK and RBZH NK.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Marconi41

The factory will not work. The crew was on board, which means that it is he who is responsible for ensuring the safety of welding

Ничего подобного.

Quote: Marconi41

namely, the commander of the warhead-5, who was supposed to check the location of these works, to appoint the military personnel and the necessary weapons for the BZZh.

If this work was carried out by the crew, then yes. But the press service of the Federation Council reported

«When carrying out welding work by industry representatives smoke occurred in one of the compartments. A group of military personnel from the crew of the ship, accompanying the repair work and the fire brigade of the ship repair plant, the smoke center was localized and the workers of the plant were evacuated. There are no ammunition and weapons on the ship. ”

That is, it was the factory workers who conducted the fire. Standard terms of the contract in this case will be on the side of the customer. The contract may stipulate the responsibility of the customer for the preparation of the workplace of the contractor, but even in this case, this does not give grounds for relieving the contractor of liability.
That is, if the contractor saw that the place was not prepared for work (for example - littered), he could and was obliged to refuse to perform the work, stopping them until the comments were eliminated - and he would be right. And since he took it and burned - everything is to blame for the full program

[Glory1974]

It was the factory workers who started the fire.

The sailors themselves say that welding work was carried out by the crew under the leadership of one of the officers who died.

[Marconi41]

Quote: glory1974

The sailors themselves say that welding work was carried out by the crew under the leadership of one of the officers who died.

Whatever the welder is, the crew is responsible for the BBW. Provided that he is on board.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Ничего подобного.

Oh well. Read RYZh RK everything is written there. I have been in repairs more than once, and I have passed tests on this document more than once.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Interesting document, thanks! I read it with pleasure. But there is a nuance. The fact that the commander of the BCh-5 is responsible for the ship's BZZh even in those cases when the work on it is carried out by a third-party organization does not mean that one organization is relieved of legal responsibility for "organizing" a fire.
That is, if, for example, a bulk carrier, roughly violating the rules of navigation, rams the TAVKR, then ship officers will be responsible for survivability, but the damage will be exacted by the owner of the bulk carrier, will it?

[Marconi41]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

That is, if, for example, a bulk carrier, roughly violating the rules of navigation, rams the TAVKR, then ship officers will be responsible for survivability, but the damage will be exacted by the owner of the bulk carrier, will it?

Of course it is! But do not confuse warm with round. In your example, the dry cargo ship will respond according to the IMSC which regulates its responsibility.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

That is, you still insist that in the event of a fire at the TAVKR during the performance of work by an external organization, it will not be legally responsible for it? I do not have a contract on hand, but ....

[Marconi41]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

That is, you still insist that in the event of a fire at the TAVKR during the performance of work by an external organization, it will not be legally responsible for it?

And there is. If the crew was on board and a fire broke out, then responsibility will fall on him. Most likely, KBC-5 has already been punished and changed, I don’t know for sure, I serve on the other side of our country.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I'm sorry, but I can not agree with you. I work in the military-industrial complex, I am quite familiar with contracts, although not on maritime topics. In such situations, the responsibility is always on the performer. If he was not provided with the conditions, he had to stop the work, and if he continued, then he was to blame. In this case, the damage to the contractor, representatives of the customer who have not ensured the conditions, bear only disciplinary liability in accordance with their regulatory documents.

[Marconi41]

The fleet has its own rules. According to the ROZh RK, permission for hot work is given by KBCh-5. It is he who must watch the observance of the procedure for conducting hot work and designate it to be provided both in this room and in adjacent ones, as well as designate the appropriate weapons according to the BZZH. Only after that the work itself begins. At what all these activities are recorded in the logbook by the ship's duty officer.

[Romka]

Well, boys! I will tell you you got on the grandmother)))

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And yes, the damage is to compensate the plant, through whose fault there was a fire, and not MO

I doubt it very much.
Compensation for the fire at the expense of the plant is likely to lead to its bankruptcy.
Bankruptcy of a specialized ship repair enterprise will not be allowed.
Or they will make a maneuver with the bankruptcy of one legal entity and the instant formation of another, but the plant will work.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Unsubscribed above

[boss]

neither alive nor dead
around constantly secret fuss.
a flying Dutchman is just some)

[The popuas]

Only the dates specified ... they work quickly how Peskov struggles with the tendency of poverty of citizens of the Russian Federation, not with poverty, but with the tendency

[ultra]

Quote: Popuas

how Peskov fights the trend

It would be better if he fought with his daughter-and .... diot..koy.

[Zoer]

Oh yeah! Judicial proceedings is a masterpiece!)))

[NEOZ]

Quote: ultra

It would be better if he fought with his daughter-and .... diot..koy.

tell us about the achievements of your children!
and we will appreciate !!!

[ultra]

My children, at least, do not dishonor my gray hair.

[ultra]

Counter question. What achievements, besides "legal proceedings", does Liza Peskova have?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Popuas

poverty of citizens of the Russian Federation

What's the matter with poverty in the Russian Federation?
I ask you to give figures, as well as figures of other states.

[AU Ivanov.]

Nothing that almost every second Russian has an additional source of income, which he will not tell anyone. Someone receives envelopes, someone rents an apartment, someone has a profitable hack.

[ultra]

This is a typical troll, it makes no sense to answer.

[ultra]

Quote: 5678

You forgot to ask

I didn’t drink any “sweetheart” for brotherhood. You will be rude to your friends in the liberal get-together.

[Roman070280]

With poverty in Russia, the complete order .. is growing by leaps and bounds ..

MAR 1, 2018, 12:19 p.m. Updated March 1, 2018, 13:05
Putin has set the goal of halving poverty in six years
The head of state emphasized that the saving of the people of Russia and the well-being of citizens should underpin development

20 2019 June
The President of the Russian Federation agreed that it has become harder for Russians to live, and recalled that the country has faced “several shocks” in recent years, and this is not about Western sanctions. Problems began in the markets of goods that Russia traditionally exports: oil and others, as a result, citizens' incomes dipped. “Therefore, there was such an unpleasant element in the economy. Real incomes of citizens declined for several years. Now, income has gradually begun to recover, ”Putin said.

Today, December 20, at a press conference, President Vladimir Putin was asked to comment on the extremely high difference in income between top managers and other Russian citizens.
“Unfortunately, this is. Unfortunately, this is a global trend. In any case, in large economies this happens. See what happens in the States.

21 November 2019 08: 28
Putin again surprised at the poverty of Russians, and the government does not know where to spend a trillion
After 20 years in power, the president began to understand the real situation.

Last time, Putin turned to parliament on February 20, 2019, and the theme of poverty was also voiced in his speech. He said that more and more Russians are forced to save on the most necessary things - clothes, medicines, even food.
Putin also spoke about the decline in income of Russians at his annual big press conference in December. Then he admitted that, despite the encouraging statistics from Rosstat for 2019, there is no talk of a global increase in the well-being of the population, and that the issue should be addressed at the expense of labor productivity and GDP.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Roman070280

With poverty in Russia, the complete order .. is growing by leaps and bounds ..

no slogans, give numbers!
% of the poor population of the Russian Federation in the 2000s, in the 2010s, as well as exactly the same figures from our neighbors and other countries ... for comparison ...

[Roman070280]

Chukchi is not a reader .. but still requires numbers ..))

[igorbrsv]

. government doesn't know where to spend a trillion

1trl ÷ 150mln = 6666 rubles

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Alas, even cats are not always born quickly

[AU Ivanov.]

Sands is a talking head. What should he fight with?

[Roman070280]

With nothing .. enough of the fact that he has to manually carry heavy Rolexes ..
And for everything else, we are ..

[AU Ivanov.]

Let it wear, is it a pity or what? The owner’s gift, you won’t put it in the drawer.

[Roman070280]

Where did I say that I feel sorry ?? I only sympathized with the man ..

[Zoer]

Quote: Saitarvi

Let them train in Crimea while they build a new one.

Here you would give a wooden clave, train to write nonsense.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zoer

give out wooden clave, train to write nonsense.

Or a rubber zina so that there is no time left for another garbage ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

It’s scary even to imagine what will be done with a wooden Claudia with a rubber Zina ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Scary to even imagine

It is necessary, please, to re-read "The Golden Key", something like that there, it seems, was ...

[rocket757]

Something to discuss this topic .... no way.

[antivirus]

one more spoon in a barrel of power of Russia - do not write off in scrap metal and many do not like it. i am satisfied
I am waiting for minuses on formal grounds and + for the desire to save the aircraft carrier.

[75 Sergey]

I hope he will be transferred to the category of training, but it is necessary to finish, although it is possible and simpler sensitive.

[Roman070280]

While they will find out "The exact amount of damage from the fire" .. for repairs .. in case of fire during repairs .. There will be a couple more fires ..
I understand those who believe .. this is how to answer the question - how much would you have enough money for happiness ..

[The Siberian barber]

I will not be surprised if they will bother and postpone the dates, to the right, while finding "objective" reasons

[Qwertyarion]

. There is certainly damage. But at the same time, from the point of view of purchased and installed equipment, almost everything is provided for in the budget for modernization
- said Rakhmanov.

Gracefully cunning, comrade Rakhmanov.
For a day the fire on the ship blazed and burned only what was going to change.
Everything will be simple to the point of banality, they will work for now in the existing budget, and after a year they will still ask for money, just in the amount of damage.

[Glory1974]

Comrade Rakhmanov is gracefully disingenuous. For a day the fire on the ship blazed and burned only what was going to change.

The fire hit the cable shafts. The cable routes were burnt out, so they were extinguished for a long time. The fire went "inside". And the cables had to be changed for new equipment.
Therefore, no guile.

[Qwertyarion]

Glory!
Yes figs with them with cables.
The ship is all made of iron, but how do high temperatures affect the strength and bearing capacity of steel structures?
There dozens of tons of iron are deformed temperature.
Such a thing cannot be corrected with a hammer ...

[mag nit]

Send him a disability pension. From TAVKR turned sawmill.

[Alexey from Perm]

I want to see the guilty in the dock, and who is to blame for the fire, who is to blame for the fact that PD50 was drowned, PD18.

[75 Sergey]

First training, and then a museum.

[Fishery]

they serve with the Chinese, but here it’s rather suffering)

[Grandfather-Shchukar]

And nevertheless, we are modernizing our "Kuzya" (they will stuff it in full with all modern ones) ... To the evil of all enemies!
And then we'll see

[iouris]

Quote: Grandfather-Shchukar

stuff it with everything that is modern

They will not sell it anymore. And where can I get it?

[iouris]

The good news: there was darkness at the end of the tunnel.

[storm]

Three new frigates, pr. 95, can be built for 22350 billion rubles.
What could burn up on an area of ​​500 square meters. m?
even if you lay this area with gold tiles measuring 33x33 cm and weighing 1 kilogram each tile, you get a total of 13,5 billion rubles!
USC once again "priborzeli" deliberately drags out the examination in order to draw out a fatter jackpot from the budget ...