Named the cost of the modernization project An-124 Ruslan

According to the SPARK-marketing system, the cost of developing by Russian specialists a technical design for the An-124-100M military transport aircraft, which is a modification of the Soviet An-124 Ruslan aircraft, may exceed 1 billion rubles. The contract for design work was concluded between Ilyushin Design Bureau and the Myasishchev Experimental Machine-Building Plant. It indicates the cost of work 830 million rubles. The project should be completed by the end of 2020.

The total cost of developing design documentation for the aircraft and its components will be more than a billion rubles.

All work on the creation and testing of the new An-124-100M was estimated at 3,5 billion rubles. They plan to finish in 2022.

The geometric dimensions and flight performance of the new aircraft will not differ from the old ones, but the life of the transporter will be increased to 50-60 years.

An-124-100M will completely replace on-board radio electronics, modernize airborne transport equipment, power supply system, as well as other systems and units.

In addition, an individual automatic complex of protection against MANPADS attacks will be installed on the aircraft. The visibility of the aircraft will also be reduced.

All outdated, imported and non-manufactured aircraft equipment will be replaced by domestic developments. The only exception will be the Ukrainian D-18T engine, which they decided to leave.

Comments

[Zhelezyakin]

The total cost of developing the design documentation for the aircraft and its components will be more than a million rubles.

Obviously, we are talking about more than a billion rubles!

[Lexus]

The only exception will be the Ukrainian D-18T engine, which they decided to leave.

As far as I understand, Ruslans have a fatal problem with engines.
So far there are three ways out - either "cannibalize" those in storage, which is unlikely, because the sides with the largest residual resource are in service, or secretly carry engines and spare parts for them through dummy / Chinese firms, which is unlikely to work, because the operators of An- 124 / D-18T are not so many and they are all in plain sight, or the Ministry of Defense may take over the Volga-Dnepr farm - they are the freshest, and the list of necessary repairs on them is much more modest, despite the fact that the company has already had problems with legalization extension of airworthiness.

[Genry]

Quote: lexus

it is with the engines that the Ruslans have a fatal problem.

Nothing fatal ...
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=525077&lang=RU

In July, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov reported that Russia had mastered the repair of Ukrainian engines for Ruslan.
"The first repaired engines have already been received. We hope that we will reach the possibility of repairing at least 12 engines a year, these are three aircraft. With such dynamics, we will quickly raise the serviceability of this fleet," Borisov said in an interview with Interfax.

[TermNachTer]

The problem is that D-18 is no longer produced by Motor Sich. With capital, there is a conversion to the next series. And I strongly doubt that they will be able to resume production. And the equipment was partially lost and the little people ran up, then what remains raises strong doubts.

[bar]

Obviously, we are talking about more than a billion rubles!

Well, a billion is more than a million, so everything fits together :)

[Romka]

Million will be the design documentation. And yes ... maybe more than a billion.

[Zhelezyakin]

Not enough million for the development of CD.
This is just the budget of a team of engineers of 17 people and a salary of about 60000 rubles. Crude of course, but the meaning should be clear.

[xGibSoNx]

Obviously, we are talking about more than a billion rubles!

Obviously, this is a fee to the person who wrote the article!

[Alexander Petrov1]

Well, where to go, after all, let’s not how to humiliate NATO and ask us to carry our missiles and helicopters.

[kjhg]

The only exception will be the Ukrainian D-18T engine, which they decided to leave.

Where to go? There is nothing to replace But how long will they last? Will they manage to finish the development of the PD-18 by this time? Or do they have different cravings?
In general, in recent years, there has been no news not only about PD-18, but also about PD-14, the tests of which should have been completed.

[U-58]

PD-14 is tested.
It takes a long and tedious time.
PD-18 is still out of the realm of fantasy.
Rather, PD-35 is born

[Jurkovs]

The first PD-14s were delivered to Irkutsk for testing on the MS-21.

[kapitan92]

Quote: kjhg

Where to go? There is nothing to replace

This is true, so far there is nothing to replace.
Air Force of Russia. CURRENT STATE ON 01.01.2019. TRANSPORT AVIATION.
Transport aircraft

−11 heavy transport aircraft An-124 Ruslan. Another 14 cars are in storage. Currently, the repair and modernization of An-124 Ruslan aircraft in Russia is now carried out only by Aviastar-SP.

[Kurare]

Quote: kjhg

Will they manage to finish the development of the PD-18 by this time? Or do they have different cravings?

D18T thrust is almost 23500 kgf, for PD-18 they plan to 18000 kgf. Bad exchange.

When will the PD-35 - is unknown. Remotorization of the An-124 under it is that sheepskin that it is not worth the hassle. It will be cheaper to make a new plane.

[Ivan Ivanov]

What the old what the new engine is still no.

[Eug]

You can try to negotiate with Ukraine - they operate the IL-78 (it’s not a typo, it’s really former refuellers with dismantled refueling equipment) who mainly fly under contracts with NATO and Ukraine is very interested in them. And the engines on them are Rybinsk - D-30KP ....

[Pessimist22]

The fat-free pig will scream that its intellectual property is being copied.

[helmi8]

Quote: Pessimist22

intellectual property copy

Initially, the An-124 was produced in Kiev and Ulyanovsk, and the Ulyanovsk plant produced more aircraft. Well

In August 2019, Antonov stated that in the case of the organization of serial production of the An-124-100M aircraft in Russia (according to some reports, the production of such production is carried out by Ilyushin Design Bureau), the aircraft must be assigned a different designation (the aircraft needs a new designation without reference on "An").

[kapitan92]

Quote: Pessimist22

The fat-free pig will scream that its intellectual property is being copied.

At the Moscow Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017, FSUE "Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute named after Professor N.E. Zhukovsky" the An-124 base. Naturally, having learned about this, the Ukrainians immediately squealed about copyright infringement, but they were justly sent over the horizon, because Russian designers made no less contribution to the development of the aircraft than Ukrainian ones, and the sheriff’s Indians and blacks don’t care
...

[Lynx33]

And do not send over the horizon. The development was paid by the state, and Russia is officially the legal successor of the USSR. So all rights officially belong to Russia.

[AlexG83]

The only exception will be the Ukrainian D-18T engine, which they decided to leave.

How else to understand this? Who will explain what they decided to do with the engine?)

[U-58]

I'm sorry, what?
Repair

[Azazelo]

An airplane is needed, which means there is money.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

About the decrease in visibility funny pearl.

[Lynx33]

They will paint with special paint, which is used in the Su-57, that’s less noticeability.

[ltc35]

Such a design and with such an area than you should not paint, all one will glow on the screens, like a lighthouse.

[Marconi41]

Quote: ltc35

Such a design and with such an area than you should not paint, all one will glow on the screens, like a lighthouse.

Lighthouses shine much less than this monster. And why is this necessary? Tribute to fashion?

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Do you think it is common sense to paint one of the largest aircraft in the world with special paint? I don’t think so.

[Lynx33]

Well, it was visible from 500 km, it will be from 400

[Gardamir]

Remember how the Red Star was changed to a tricolor symbol of the army, millions were raked on this.

[boss]

the aircraft you need, of course, and new ones are still needed, and China may finally help the engines, otherwise all the technological assistance is all in one gate.

[bessmertniy]

Need to look for options. Ukrainian engine is politically unreliable in supply.

[NEOZ]

Quote: patron

and with engines, maybe China will finally help,

does China have a suitable engine?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: patron

the aircraft you need, of course, and new ones are still needed, and China may finally help the engines, otherwise all the technological assistance is all in one gate.

China and aircraft engines? Are these two concepts already compatible? Did I miss something? Or is this a joke of humor like that?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: patron

the aircraft you need, of course, and new ones are still needed, and China may finally help the engines, otherwise all the technological assistance is all in one gate.

China and aircraft engines? Are these two concepts already compatible? Did I miss something? Or is this a joke of humor like that?

It means, through the Chinese to buy from Svidomo.

[boss]

type of tago.
Russia couldn’t officially extend the ANA’s life, and China is making a deal to buy Motor Sich, that is, Ruslan’s native engines will be released.
hi minusers)

[Mavrikiy]

According to the SPARK-marketing system, the cost of developing by Russian specialists a technical design for the An-124-100M military transport aircraft, which is a modification of the Soviet An-124 Ruslan aircraft, may exceed 1 billion rubles.

This is all spray. The main thing, why do we need it?

modernize landing equipment,

like a paratrooper, absurdity. As a transporter, he will not be allowed to land everywhere.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mavrikiy

As a transporter, he will not be allowed to land everywhere.

And, if my memory serves me, the Volga-Dnepr company is making money with the Ruslan.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Mavrikiy

As a transporter, he will not be allowed to land everywhere.

And, if my memory serves me, the Volga-Dnepr company is making money with the Ruslan.

We know, we know. Only I am for the strengthening of the Armed Forces, and not the aligophrenic dough.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mavrikiy

We know, we know. Only I am for the strengthening of the Armed Forces, and not the aligophrenic dough.

Wait, but you wrote that -

Quote: Mavrikiy

As a transporter, he will not be allowed to land everywhere.

They themselves talked about the transport worker, and now, suddenly, they started talking about "strengthening the Armed Forces"
It turns out that the modernization of Roalan does not strengthen the sun?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Wait, but you wrote that -

I'll wait, but why put everything in a heap? The plane in the article for the aircraft, airborne. How much do we need it, if not every airport will accept it?

[Den717]

In fact, any prosperous business is jobs, salaries, taxes. And in aviation, also the necessary powers of competence.

[adept666]

This is all spray. The main thing, why do we need it?

To solve a number of specific tasks, including geopolitical ones. When you need a special cargo N, the required volume and mass quickly and efficiently move from point A to point B.
For example, S-400 complexes to Turkey. On the one hand, quickly so that the stench rises, but not for a long time, but the most important demonstration is that for ourselves we can very quickly transfer such toys and at least quickly deploy them in the required area.

like a paratrooper, absurdity. As a transporter, he will not be allowed to land everywhere.

Well, they won’t let anyone go about the airdrome ... One most curious story:

https://www.aviapanorama.ru/2017/09/strategicheskij-tyazhelyj-voenno-transportnyj-samolet-korotkogo-vzleta-i-posadki/

Well, a little trolling:

https://bykvu.com/ua/bukvy/57196-ukrainskij-samolet-ruslan-spas-boeing-v-arktike/

[Jurkovs]

Without replacing the engine, any upgrade is a waste of money.

[antivirus]

I agree.
however, for a stable financial flow it is more important to pinch-report on modernization over the course of 30 years, until 2040.
who wants to live worse than Abramovich-Alikverov?

[Lone gunman]

Apparently, a repair kit for the engines "Putin" from "Green" bought a sufficient amount ... but why ... can the Russians build a new plane, or the AN-124 is the height of perfection ?! or "power" such - after me even a flood. Some questions, I think, someone will not be able to clearly explain what is going on in their heads, they have there.

[Pavel57]

What is cheaper is to build a new aircraft or upgrade an existing one. The answer is in favor of modernization. the plane is niche, not massive.

[Lone gunman]

"What is cheaper - to build a new plane or upgrade the existing one." ... where I have already heard this more than once ... Stagnation is called, and in the minds too ...)) smiled. Who else will say what, just do not "think" at the level of the 90s, they have already passed, no offense ... cons, well, where without them.))

[75 Sergey]

There are many such machines, the infrastructure has developed, the technicians know it - what for a goat button accordion?

[Lone gunman]

It is better to live in an "emergency house" and constantly make repairs, well, it's cheaper ... yes, the mentality is deeply rooted in the Russian people, isn't it ?!

[75 Sergey]

Are you talking about the B-52? Well, yes, it’s better for us.

[Pavel57]

An example with the B-52 will not suit you?

[Lone gunman]

It will suit, it's all the particulars, some kind of Iran-Iraq to bomb the very thing, you can also fight on balloons, it's cheap, after all, but here we are talking about technology, who and why the Russian Federation slows down and turns it, if not into a third world country, then not an advanced one at least, in the USSR it was already like that, they did not forget about the defense industry, and thought about the citizens last of all, everyone rode a gigalo and Muscovites, and were happy that they were living in the country of the victorious proletariat.

[Pavel57]

Judging by your tonality, you did not live in the country of a victorious proletariat at a conscious age. Since the 90s, the aircraft industry has to be restored step by step.
IL-476, IL-112, IL-114, MS-21. There are few resources, why else should the An-148 be reproduced, perhaps it is better to do the Il-106 from scratch.

[Pavel57]

The planes are new, since the main costs for the preparation of production, which had to be transferred were from Tashkent. MS-21 grew out of the Yak-242, but essentially a new aircraft. The last phrase kills the interest of discussing something else. Immediately blows in a choke.

Freud made a reservation above))) There are few resources, why else An-124 reproduce, perhaps it is better to do IL-106 from scratch.

[75 Sergey]

From scratch it turns out very crookedly, and don’t be quick, don’t worry, now they want to remove all the binding in the aircraft models to a specific design bureau, there will be just 124.
And the tail is better to fix.

[Pavel57]

If you dig, then the IL-106 also grows out of the IL-96, so it’s not completely from scratch.

[Genry]

Quote: Pavel57

why else should An-124 be reproduced, perhaps it is better to do the Il-106 from scratch.

And no one An-124 does not reproduce.
They simply modernize existing aircraft by replacing obsolete equipment with modern Russian one.

[Lone gunman]

Hmm .... someone deleted my comment)), that's how freedom of speech is being stifled ... well, there is the Elephant project, so why not throw the resources of the Russian Federation on this project, get new competencies, and as always, these planes were traded with the countries of the East ?!

[SU-27MK]

Somehow the project is a lot of word and at the same time empty.

[Zaurbek]

Expensive. We will not do it!

[Pavel57]

The only exception will be the Ukrainian D-18T engine ....

So far, there’s nothing to change it, except to bring in 6 PS-90.

[Ivan Ivanov]

What is the problem here ans produce? No competencies? Can’t you wash?

[Pavel57]

Quote: IvanIvanov

What is the problem here ans produce? No competencies? Can’t you wash?

But why?

[75 Sergey]

Damn, it was necessary to start with the engines, as well as redo the tail unit as on the An-225, but to carry it on the back.

[Thomas the Unbeliever_2]

1 billion rubles is a penny, two colonels found 19 in a garage in one of 7 and another 12 billion, this is still not looking at general garages.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: kapitan92

for Russian designers made no less contribution to the development of the aircraft compared to Ukrainian, and the problems of the Indians and Negro sheriff do not care

This you write from nevkursii.
It doesn’t matter who developed the iron. Moreover, ANY, at least a coffee grinder. IMPORTANT who has the original documents. (in our opinion, design, who has tracing paper). The developer could be alone, but tracing paper could be passed to anyone, in the USSR, to whom the Ministry would order. It so happened that Ukraine became the project owner. And it was she who executed all the permissive, insurance, certification and other papers. And not a single country will allow a plane flying over its territory that is not serviced by the HOST, or a workshop by its decision and guarantee. You need to change the name of the airplane. Having proved at the design stage the significant differences of his project in order to prove patent and other purity. Only then will a new project be able to appear in all kinds of international gossip as an independent one. And this project will have its OWNER, with all the ensuing consequences. Or do you agree that this colossus flew from one collective farm bazaar to another, without crossing the borders of Russia? Who will miss such an illegitimate machine?

[Genry]

Russia has complete factory documentation with the latest edits, which Antonov’s owners are not very full and relevant.
To change the name of the aircraft is to go through the entire list of international certification.
It will be possible to fly with the old name wherever they are free from the "international" law imposed by the United States (along with various inches, miles and feet), where Russian certificates are recognized and with their own insurance.

[L-39NG]

Just read the last paragraph:
"All obsolete, imported and not manufactured aircraft equipment will be replaced with domestic developments. The only exception will be the Ukrainian D-18T engine, which they decided to keep."
and the future of this project will become clear.

[Mentat]

Quote: Pavel57

An example with the B-52 will not suit you?

He will be satisfied with the srach on the forum, because payment for such characters depends from the length of the comment branches on his stuffing.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: IvanIvanov

What is the problem here ans produce? No competencies? Can’t you wash?

Tyr at his woman. And a car sitting at any airfield outside Russia will be arrested on a denunciation by the owner, who has proved that such women do not have tyros, they have them. With all the giblets, people, cargo and prestige.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: 75Sergey

Damn, it was necessary to start with the engines, as well as redo the tail unit as on the An-225, but to carry it on the back.

What to carry on your back? Cat with alms?
To do this, you need to redo the power part of the fuselage, thicken and strengthen .... The mass will creep up again. The mass of the cargo and the radius of flight will decrease. Explain what is necessary to carry on the back. From a deep knowledge of the topic is writing?
Mriya did SPECIALLY UNDER transportation Burana. And at the same time they went to insane costs. How much did Mriy do?

[garri-lin]

You can carry overall but not heavy. For example, fuel tanks or something similar. Evaluate the market and adapt a couple of aircraft. By the way, the tail itself will redo the balance already shift.

[bar]

The total cost of developing the design documentation for the aircraft and its components will be more than a million rubles.

Funny figure. Students will be involved in the development ?.
Although a billion is also "over a million"

[Old26]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

Not enough million for the development of CD.

There is a typo. A little higher, in the previous paragraph it says about the amount of more than a billion rubles

[Grandfather-Shchukar]

which is a modification of the Soviet An-124 Ruslan aircraft, may exceed 1 billion rubles. The contract for design work was concluded

A little expensive ... I hope all sorts of rat rats are not stolen
But on Does anyone need to create it, not to buy it?

[cat Rusich]

Without replacing the engines, the AN-124 will remain the AN-124. The engine is long and expensive to do ... at the time of developing a new engine, the director of the aircraft engine plant does not have to pay bonuses - a bare salary.

[d.zhuk2010]

[quote = Lexus] [quote] The only exception will be the Ukrainian D-18T engine, which they decided to leave. [/ quote]
As far as I understand, Ruslans have a fatal problem with engines.

At the end of 2019, Ivchenko-Progress entered bench testing of units for the modernized 18T3M series 10 with a 2020% increase in takeoff thrust. Full assembly of the first two engines is scheduled for XNUMX.
Design differences from series 3:

- a fan with a modified profiling of the blades, which allowed to obtain increased take-off thrust without increasing the frequency of rotation of the fan rotor;
- The fan turbine has been upgraded;
- a reversing device with a drive of moving parts from two hydraulic motors and electronic control (instead of a mechanical drive and a hydromechanical control system); (Thank God. How tired it is to restore levers and brackets by constant digestion in the chamber, if you only knew.)
- measures to ensure that the aircraft meets the requirements for noise (ICAO Chapter 4) and exhaust emissions (ICAO promising standards); (New design of swirls and working nozzles. Last year, the brain carried these structural alterations.)
- the profiling of the nozzle blades of the medium pressure turbine has been changed;
- The cooling system of the working and nozzle blades of the high pressure turbine was modernized.

One problem is a very inhibiting project - the lack of units, which are naturally Russian-made. They are shepherding a local analogue for replacement somewhere, whether in Kharkov, or somewhere else, I won’t say for sure. But what’s for sure, don’t go to the grandmother, it won’t work.

[Berkut154]

Yes, Arashukova is good as a pear, shake with your relatives, you look at the whole park, even those who forgot when they flew can be restored!

[Jurkovs]

Quote: Lone gunman

Stagnation is called

If you managed to save the engineering school, then of course it is better to build a new plane. But if, in the conditions of the 90s, engineering schools were badly damaged, and in some places completely bent, then it is best to start with the modernization of existing products.

[AAK]

While the project is being prepared, you see, the Chinese comrades of Motor-Sich will buy it, we will buy, as it were, Chinese ...