Was there a plan for the evacuation of industrial enterprises in 1941 in the USSR

Was there a plan for the evacuation of industrial enterprises in 1941 in the USSR

The rapid offensive of the Nazis in the first months of World War II posed extremely complex tasks for the Soviet leadership, which were associated not only with the organization of defense, but also with the evacuation of large industrial enterprises. On the territory of Ukraine, Belarus, in the western regions of Russia at the time of the outbreak of the war, there were hundreds of industrial facilities that should not have been given to the enemy. If the most significant of them were not evacuated, the enemy would have received an additional advantage.


In the program "Archival revolution" on the TacticMedia channel, a story was released, the main character of which is the famous domestic historian Alexei Isaev. The main issue discussed in the program is connected with the evacuation of Soviet industry in 1941.

And among other things, a topic was raised regarding whether there was any plan at all for such an evacuation by the country's leadership, or was everything carried out spontaneously, in a hurry, without any consideration.

The historian notes that many fellow citizens have developed a stereotype associated with films of the 1970s.

Alexey Isaev:

The stereotype is that machine tools, entire enterprises, almost entire industries were loaded onto platforms, were taken away into the distance and there, as they say, these machines were placed on a snow-covered field ...

Alexey Isaev claims that for 1941 no actual plan for the evacuation of enterprises did not exist.

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  1. Mcar 9 January 2020 05: 56 New
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    Alexey Isaev claims that for 1941 no actual plan for the evacuation of enterprises did not exist.

    Yeah. There were no plans for the evacuation of factories, but to decorate the landscape beyond the Urals, Beria set up the foundations for enterprises, not forgetting to bring all the appropriate communications - water, electricity, roads.
    1. Finches 9 January 2020 06: 15 New
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      No matter what the event, unprecedented in scale in world history, was held - the evacuation of industry from the western regions in the shortest possible time to the Urals and Siberia, its restoration and production for the needs of the front! This was the first economic bell for Hitler - that the transition of blitz krieg to a protracted war would lead Nazi Germany to collapse! And it also showed the superiority of the planned socialist economy over the market economy of the West - which made the capitalists even more angry when they carefully studied this fact after the war and realized that in the event of a long armed confrontation with the socialist system, the capitalist economy loses - because the laws of market relations under total mobilization stop working! The same one of the factors of the militia of the entire capitalist world against the country of workers and peasants - there must be competition and profit, even if someone is dying of hunger, and not an even distribution of benefits to the whole people - it's just not fair laughing
    2. Ross xnumx 9 January 2020 06: 24 New
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      Quote: McAr
      Yeah. There were no plans for the evacuation of factories, but to decorate the landscape beyond the Urals, Beria set up the foundations for enterprises, not forgetting to bring all the appropriate communications - water, electricity, roads.

      Our "businessmen" also managed to "correctly" use the foundations and territories of former Soviet factories. So in Kemerovo, there is a well-known case of "zealous" use of the foundations, territory and communications of the confectionery factory ...
      I have no doubt that some would be very uncomfortable with such a situation when you steal-steal, drag-drag without plans and instructions, and at night people come and take everything away ... belay
    3. Alexander Suvorov 9 January 2020 08: 39 New
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      McAr (Alexander)
      Yeah. There were no plans for the evacuation of factories, but to decorate the landscape beyond the Urals, Beria set up the foundations for enterprises, not forgetting to bring all the appropriate communications - water, electricity, roads.
      Directly removed from the tongue. In fact, those who were interested in the issue are aware that the machines can be installed in the open air, but certainly on the foundation, and even the communications were all ready.
      Otherwise, to hell in such a short time we could arrange the release of all the necessary front. You can consider Stalin and Beria anyone, but not fools, for sure people knew what they were doing.
      1. Mordvin 3 9 January 2020 09: 06 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        In fact, those who were interested in the issue are aware that the machines can be installed in the open air, but certainly on the foundation, and even the communications were all ready.

        Well, take, for example, the Theological Aluminum, which today belongs to Deripaska and is controlled by foreigners. It began to be built in 1940, in accordance with the five-year plan, in which the USSR would increase aluminum production by 4 times by 1942. As a result, with the outbreak of war, the Volkhov, Dnieper aluminum and Tikhvin alumina refineries were evacuated there.
        From a speech by Anatoly Yakovlevich Kabanov, Hero of Socialist Labor, director of the BAZ (from September 1962 to May 1971) at a conference dedicated to the 25th anniversary of the construction and development of the plant (1970): “Adults, old people, adolescents, soldiers and soldier widows are not previously holding axes, pickaxes, crowbars, knocked down centuries-old pines and cedars, gnawed into the frozen ground, preparing pits for the foundations of future workshops. They did not moan, did not whimper, did not complain. And, it seems, the harder it was, the more hardened and urged each other to work. And when it was unbearable, they went to the fires and fell from fatigue ... Having rested, they again took up the job, not suspecting that they were heroes who should put up a monument for centuries ... Fulfillment of two or three norms in a shift was considered a common occurrence, and no one credited. They said: “It is so necessary! No other way! ”

        http://vpk-sevastopol.ru/?p=3428
    4. Nastia makarova 9 January 2020 14: 58 New
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      foundations for enterprises were built while trains were on the road
      1. Mcar 10 January 2020 04: 43 New
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        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        foundations for enterprises were built while trains were on the road

        And that obviously was also.

        Yelena Tyurina, director of the Russian State Archaeological Museum, writes: "The transfer of military factories to the Urals and Siberia was planned as early as the mid-30s. After all, the entire defense industry was concentrated in the western regions of the country. But we just did not have time, we did not proceed with the deployment of a new base."

        It is known that preparatory work nevertheless began, although it was not massive. The Soviet military doctrine of "beating the enemy on its territory" did not allow that it would be necessary to retreat deep into the country. Therefore, it was impossible to announce the construction of military factories in the east. It was possible to carefully, quietly prepare the base.

        And they cooked. Therefore, often evacuated enterprises unloaded equipment on ready-made foundations. There were no walls and roofs, but the machines could work, because the electric networks had already been connected, all that was needed was to connect the equipment to them.
        1. Nastia makarova 10 January 2020 08: 01 New
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          there the sites were not built for the evacuation of factories !!!! and for new factories which they had not yet managed to build at the end of 41
    5. Vladimir_2U 10 January 2020 05: 40 New
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      Of course, everything is contrary, literally everything!
    6. Sergey S. 11 January 2020 17: 36 New
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      Alexey Isaev claims that for 1941 no actual plan for the evacuation of enterprises did not exist.

      And he doesn’t need to know what was in the safes of the main defense enterprises of the USSR.
      Accustomed to trust only specialists, as they say, in technology.
      Therefore, not about government documents ...

      In the 1990s, specialists from the Kharkov Locomotive Plant released a history of the plant with a volume of more than 600 pages.
      By the way, today this book is not available to me and I really regret it.
      I searched in many ways, even in libraries I did not find ...
      So ate anyone who has will be extremely grateful on your terms ...

      So it was told in it. how tractor-tank production evacuation plans were extracted and implemented. Basically, about 2/3 of the Uralvagon plant, the rest of the equipment, as I recall, in Chelyabinsk ...
      I remember exactly. that from Kharkov left in 7 echelons (not trains, but echelons of factory equipment). In each echelon, in accordance with the logic of the production process, there were machine tools, workers, manager-organizers, workpieces for assembly and for the work of machine operators ... so those arriving at the "bare spot" almost immediately began to work ...
      The last train in addition to unaccounted factory tractors with drags exported stocks of materials ...

      “Naked place” is a special conversation.
      About the idiots of the Communists heard from so many ...
      In fact, no one in the world had such a strict logic of production processes.
      That is, I pay tribute to the Americans - they created a great industry. But in order to manage rather modest resources so efficiently !!!!! In this, our leaders of the 1930s were at the top of the world.
      The Uralvagonzavod had a foundry that could cast wheelsets to all the plants of the USSR ...
      And this was done in accordance with plans for the deployment of production in the Urals according to evacuation plans.

      By the way, quite by the way!
      Our leaders knew about the Barbarossa plan, too, about the approaching war ...
      And literally on the eve, I don’t remember exactly, from my memory in about two weeks, a trip to the Urals was organized for foreign military attaches. The Germans were there too ... They showed them the Uralvagonzavod ... The point was to demonstrate that even the fulfillment of the plan would not deprive the USSR of the opportunity to wage war.
      But the Germans no longer had the flexibility of mind and the mobility of control .... War was inevitable. But our Victory scenario worked. And today we mourn not the death of the Motherland, but gigantic victims. which we brought to the altar of Victory.

      But the "historian" Isaev does not want to understand this. I do not believe that the information is like that. like him, unavailable. It’s their “karma” that is bourgeois. In a word, bad boys.

      PS
      I trust only dvigatelistam (sailors, tankmen, pilots. Border guards, Belarusians).
    7. Stas57 13 January 2020 23: 18 New
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      Quote: McAr
      Yeah. There were no plans for the evacuation of factories, but to decorate the landscape beyond the Urals, Beria set up the foundations for enterprises, not forgetting to bring all the appropriate communications - water, electricity, roads.

      “It must also be borne in mind that there were virtually no pre-prepared evacuation plans, although there was some work in this before the war.
      direction was carried out. Drafts of such documents were drawn up, for example,
      Military Industrial Commission under the SNK of the USSR in 1939–1940 and in early 1941 2
      More
      when, on April 21, 1941, the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR adopted a resolution “On measures
      improvement of the local air defense of Moscow ”, a special Commission was even created to evacuate the population from Moscow in wartime, led by the chairman
      119
      Moscow City Council V.P. Pronin. On June 3, this commission presented its plan to JV Stalin and
      draft resolution of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR "On the partial evacuation of the population of Moscow
      in wartime. " It was envisaged, in particular, to take them to the rear with the outbreak of war.
      areas of 1 million 40 thousand Muscovites. However, JV Stalin did not approve these plans, but the commission
      was dissolved
      Nor were bodies created in advance designed to directly direct the relocation of the country's productive forces. All this had to be decided already during the war, often
      in a hurry, and sometimes without taking into account the specific situation, which could not have negative
      consequences. The treacherous attack of fascist Germany, the enormous size of the theater of operations, massive air strikes, artillery shelling, transformation
      many cities and villages into the arena of fierce battles - all this created exceptional
      difficulties during the evacuation, requiring from the Soviet people a huge physical and
      moral tension. "

      History of the Second World War. 1939-1945. Volume 4
  2. Same lech 9 January 2020 05: 59 New
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    Many factories from the west of the USSR were evacuated to my city of Novosibirsk and refugees were ...

    I still remember one elderly nanny who survived the bombing of the Germans and the evacuation ... we guys drew a swastika for fun somewhere so she weaned us great for that I still remember.
  3. Far B 9 January 2020 06: 07 New
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    There were some plans, of course. But everything had to be adjusted in connection with the rapid advancement of chances. So the main plus is not the availability of plans, but that the adjustment of these plans was carried out, if not masterly, then very, very qualitatively.
  4. Ross xnumx 9 January 2020 06: 13 New
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    Question:
    Was there a plan for the evacuation of industrial enterprises in 1941 in the USSR?

    Answer:
    Alexey Isaev claims that for 1941 no actual plan for the evacuation of enterprises did not exist.

    Yes, that there is an evacuation plan ... Five-year development plans - and there were none. Everything was decided with a kondachka. That is why the military industry of the USSR, by the hands of women, the elderly and children, “chaotically” produced products at a pace that was higher than the pre-war ones. There were even no strategic food supplies. There were only plans for evacuation in the event of a gas attack, bombing and in case of fire.
    What do you want? The USSR - it was a “colossus with feet of clay” ... True, those who attacked it were in reality on the feet of “shitty ones” ...
    I still don’t understand why all sorts of different, well-fed and well-mannered during the Soviet era would go “all the harder” to spit in the past, add your own fly in the ointment ...

    The beloved and revered by the "elite" author of the program "Besogon" suddenly undertook to blame the various Gosman and hedgehog with him, citing their vile statements about the history of WWII.
    BUT!!! Do we give them the right to pour mud (from the screens of central channels and public television) on a system to the construction of which they had a very mediocre relationship. No. This is done by those who, on the one hand, put the fascist ideology and Hitler and his henchmen in a ban on the law, and on the other hand, do not stop talking about the viciousness of the socialist system and shy away from Stalin's name like hell from incense. On the one hand, they hold events called the “Immortal Regiment”, and on the other, they drape the Mausoleum of the “old man,” from whom the Supreme Commander gave parting words to the soldiers of the Red Army, who were leaving for the front.

    Stop telling us tales about things that were not in the USSR and contrary to what he was a world superpower.
    It's time to talk about the past, which replaced the fabulous cunning mnogoghodovki and breakthroughs ...
    hi
    1. Stas57 13 January 2020 23: 20 New
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      НIt must also be borne in mind that virtually no advance prepared evacuation plans existed.although some work was done in this direction before the war. Draft versions of such documents were compiled, for example, by the Military Industrial Commission under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR in 1939–1940. and in early 1941
      Moreover, when on April 21, 1941, the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR adopted a resolution “On measures to
      improvement of the local air defense of Moscow ”, a special Commission was even created to evacuate the population from Moscow in wartime, led by the chairman of the Moscow Council, V. P. Pronin. On June 3, this commission presented its plan to JV Stalin and
      draft resolution of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR "On the partial evacuation of the population of Moscow
      in wartime. " It was envisaged, in particular, to take them to the rear with the outbreak of war.
      areas of 1 million 40 thousand Muscovites. However, JV Stalin did not approve these plans, but the commission
      was dissolved.
      Nor were bodies created in advance designed to directly direct the relocation of the country's productive forces. All this had to be decided already during the war, often
      in a hurry, and sometimes without taking into account the specific situation, which could not have negative
      consequences. The treacherous attack of fascist Germany, the enormous size of the theater of operations, massive air strikes, artillery shelling, transformation
      many cities and villages into the arena of fierce battles - all this created exceptional
      difficulties during the evacuation, requiring from the Soviet people a huge physical and
      moral stress.

      https://structure.mil.ru/files/VOV/tom7/VOV_Vol7_118-144_Chap3.pdf
  5. Amateur 9 January 2020 06: 59 New
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    Dmitry Fedorovich, open the safe, there are mobilization plans ... When the plans were removed, everyone began to make a list of guns ... And Stalin, in his office, in the safe, apparently, too, should have a package with the corresponding mobilization documents. ..

    V. Grabin. "The weapon of victory"
  6. Van 16 9 January 2020 07: 09 New
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    There is a fact - in those conditions the mobilization was carried out quickly and efficiently. And stop spitting in the Soviet past.
    1. Monar 9 January 2020 07: 54 New
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      Do not idealize. The evacuation was carried out colossal. And this is a feat of the people and leadership of the USSR. Unparalleled in the world. The French won’t even be able to withdraw their fleet into the sea-oskiy.
      But the same mess was enough. On this the whole theory of "squalor of the USSR" is built. But in fact, there was not a single country with a land border with Germany that could have inflicted noticeable damage to the army to the possessed Adolf. Naturally, apart from the USSR.
      1. Van 16 9 January 2020 08: 29 New
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        You know, I agree. Your clarification is accepted. hi
        1. Monar 9 January 2020 09: 22 New
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          You know, I even admit that specific evacuation plans were created "on the knee". Given the doctrine of the USSR at that time, "fight on enemy territory." But here is just one example. My grandmother and grandfather worked (the Kingdom of heaven be upon them) in an evacuated factory.
          Moscow Region Elektrostal evacuated to Chebarkul. Yes, the village is actually at that time. And for the IL-2, they began to make parts after 75 days. And there were dugouts, and in the cold they built walls. And it was not enough to eat. Nobody has heard about strategic food reserves.
          But here at once it is strange how a question arises. And where is the lack of pedagogy-steam-building materials? The backlog was created in advance. And the system created by Stalin then produced a result.
    2. Stas57 13 January 2020 23: 51 New
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      The Central Committee of the party, GKO and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR launched a tremendous job of relocating the country's productive forces. It was led by the Evacuation Council, whose chairman was appointed HM Shvernik, his deputies were A.N. Kosygin and M.G. Pervukhin. The Council also included A.I. Mikoyan, M.Z. Saburov and others {312}. Since July 11, the movement of enterprises was controlled by a special group of inspectors created by decision of the State Defense Committee under the Evacuation Council, headed by A.N. Kosygin. The Council determined the order, terms, sequence and final points of evacuation of people and material assets. Its decisions, approved by the government, were binding on all party, Soviet and economic bodies. A harmonious operational system of evacuation bodies has developed in the center and in the localities. Under all union people's commissariats, deputy commissars became the authorized representatives of the Council {313}, and commissions were created from experienced, qualified staff of the apparatus that developed concrete [136] proposals and plans for relocation to various sectors of the economy and individual large enterprises. In addition, the people's commissariats sent their representatives to the evacuated plants and factories and to the points of their new location.
      History of the Second World War 1939–1945 Volume 4. Fascist aggression against the USSR. The collapse of the strategy of "lightning war." - M .: Military Publishing House,
  7. nikvic46 9 January 2020 07: 32 New
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    Perhaps there was such a plan. And it was gathering dust somewhere in the safe. But Voroshilov’s doctrine prevailed. He convinced that if there was a war, we would fight in someone else’s territory. All supporters of defensive weapons got to the fullest. And nevertheless, the organizational ability of the leaders to I did my noble job in the places. If you look at the cities of the European part, what factories they had before the war, and after, you can only be surprised. How was it possible to take out such a quantity of equipment.
  8. Mordvin 3 9 January 2020 08: 05 New
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    I agree with Isaev that there were no clear plans for evacuation, everything was adjusted during the war. Regarding sites in the Urals, they were built in accordance with the plans of the 3rd Five-Year Plan. For example, the bulk of the TOZ was evacuated near Mednogorsk, where, according to pre-war plans, a briquette factory was built, and foundations with one unfinished building were laid. In Izhevsk, they quickly built wooden buildings, put decommissioned steam locomotives for heating, built barracks with three-tiered bunks for workers. Uralvagonzavod stopped the production of wagons and took up tanks on equipment from Kharkov. I don’t remember about the data of any special site specifically for the sounding built before the war.
  9. EvilLion 9 January 2020 08: 10 New
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    Elena Prudnikova rightly calls the evacuation of Soviet enterprises the most important WWII operation in general. The plan was there, and very well drawn up and kept secret until the moment of execution.
    1. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 08: 29 New
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      The construction of a naval base in Liepaja fits very well with the theory of having an evacuation plan.
  10. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 08: 26 New
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    Having an industrial evacuation plan automatically implies the presumed possibility of leaving your own territory to the enemy. Well, and who in their right mind would say that it was allowed for the Germans to give Kharkov, Leningrad, Kiev .... I really am silent about Moscow, and enterprises were evacuated from it.
    Indeed, in the mid-30s it was allowed to leave part of the territory and bases for partisan war were being prepared, cadres were being trained, but before the war these bases were liquidated and cadres repressed. This is a question about planning.
    1. EvilLion 9 January 2020 08: 36 New
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      A retreat of several hundred kilometers is a kind of a favorable course of the war for objective reasons, in addition, even the retention, for example of Kiev and the Dnieper in general, did not make it safe to find enterprises 200 km from the front line, then aviation could reach even much further. Moreover, it is possible to hit not only plants that produce the final product, but also power plants, this will immediately cut down everything else. And electricity was scarce wild.
      1. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 09: 56 New
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        “A retreat of several hundred kilometers — it was like a favorable course of the war for objective reasons” —this is afterthought, and in the USSR at that time there was a doctrine of war on foreign territory with little bloodshed.
        1. EvilLion 9 January 2020 12: 18 New
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          Do you really believe that the headquarters of the USSR did not understand that they would almost certainly have to fight in the conditions of being preempted by the enemy in the deployment and commission of an act of aggression? For the USSR, with its wretched road network, there was practically no chance of ending the concentration of troops at the border before Germany. Do not confuse bullshit from murzilka for the masses and real plans. The same pre-war headquarters games just provided for a retreat after the border battle, and the restoration of the situation after the approach of reserves from the depths of the territory.

          The question was only how deeply I would have to retreat.
          1. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 21: 10 New
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            Poke at home.
    2. Senior seaman 9 January 2020 09: 23 New
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      Quote: Sergey Valov
      Having an industrial evacuation plan automatically implies the presumed possibility of leaving your own territory to the enemy.

      Absolutely optional. There is simply such a factor as aviation.
      1. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 10: 59 New
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        “Absolutely optional. It’s just that there is such a factor as aviation ’- absolutely. It is much cheaper to create powerful air defense, and even more correct would be the seizure of enemy territory, which the USSR was going to do.
        1. Senior seaman 9 January 2020 13: 38 New
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          That is, about the Douai doctrine, you also know nothing?
          And this ... to create a “powerful air defense system” that can reliably cover thousands of different enterprises, the access roads to them and the logistics centers between them ... a little impossible in the then realities.
          1. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 21: 16 New
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            I know about the Douai doctrine, about the fact that it was not confirmed either. In those realities, the Battle of England was defeated by the Germans.
            1. Senior seaman 10 January 2020 18: 46 New
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              I knew that you would remember about her :))) You can’t be so predictable!
              1) In the 30th, no one even knew the “battle for England”.
              2) Name - Coventry doesn't tell you anything?
              3) Did you try to compare the sizes of the British Isles and the USSR?
              4) Where did the USSR get radars from? This is a question about as the shaves won.
              In general, the only air defense systems that ensured the inviolability of the military industry in the WWII were called the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean. Indeed, their enemy aircraft could not overcome.
              Well, the transfer of industry from the European part of the USSR to the Urals also proved to be effective.
              1. Sergey Valov 10 January 2020 20: 08 New
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                1. Of course I didn’t. But no one knew how it really would be.
                2. Coventry is the tragedy of one city, but nothing for the country and its industry.
                3. The sizes have nothing to do with it, the Germans had no long-range bombers at that time at all.
                4. Radars are a good thing, I do not argue, but the USSR had significantly more fighters in 1941 than the British in 1940. Pilot training is a separate issue.
                The transfer of industry to the Urals could be pointless if the United States did not join WWII in December 1941.
                1. Senior seaman 11 January 2020 16: 49 New
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                  1) But they knew about the existence of aviation.
                  2) This is just an indicator.
                  3) Still how. And in order to bomb our factories in the European part of the USSR long-range bombers are not needed.
                  4) And significantly worse with the organization.
                  Quote: Sergey Valov
                  The transfer of industry to the Urals could be pointless if the US did not join WWII in December 1941

                  Why did you decide that?
                  1. Sergey Valov 11 January 2020 17: 58 New
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                    1. The answer is about nothing.
                    2. For more Germans could not.
                    3. I don’t even know what to say, look at the map.
                    4. This is what I decided because without gasoline, powders of alloying metals, specific machines (the list is long), the USSR would have lasted long.
                    1. Senior seaman 12 January 2020 08: 55 New
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                      1) About nothing, your assumption that
                      Having an industrial evacuation plan automatically implies the presumed possibility of leaving your own territory to the enemy.

                      I am trying to convey to you a simple thought that there could be other factors.
                      2) Exactly the opposite. This British air defense was not able to protect the industrial center, 3/4 of the industrial enterprises of which were destroyed.
                      3) I look. From the Romanian border to Zaporozhye, the range of the Security Council will suffice, but it can hardly be called a strategist.
                      4) In addition to the list, which is really long, there are also delivery times. And if you take them into account, then the thesis
                      The transfer of industry to the Urals could be pointless if the US did not join WWII in December 1941

                      Does not stand up to any criticism.
                      1. Sergey Valov 12 January 2020 13: 32 New
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                        “This British air defense was not able to protect the industrial center, 3/4 of the industrial enterprises of which were destroyed” - after that I stop the dialogue.
              2. Sergey S. 11 January 2020 16: 17 New
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                Quote: Senior Sailor
                Where did the USSR get radars from?

                ??
                Station "RUS-2" were in the main naval base.
                In Leningrad, on the hill behind Bolshoi Izhora, it was she who warned of the Nazis' massive attack on Kronstadt ... They saw on radars how German planes appeared (took off) and gathered in a flock somewhere over Siversky ...
                KRL "Maxim Gorky" already had a POISO articulated with the RUS station. As a result. as the gunner told him, the Germans did not fly near at all ...

                In SMevastopol, the RUS-2 station operated until the last day of defense, and was dumped at sea when all defense resources were exhausted ...
    3. EvilLion 9 January 2020 12: 20 New
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      I have not heard such nonsense for a long time. The base for guerrilla warfare is a weapons depot thrown into the woods. No, perhaps the accomplices of the conspirators, like Tukhachevsky, were getting ready to run into the woods if there was anything to be afraid of.
      1. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 21: 20 New
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        Read Starshinov's "Mines are waiting in the wings", by the way published in the 60s. As for the “conspirator” of Tukhachevsky, it’s always easier to blame one’s own stupidity and paranoia (I’m talking about Stalin, if that).
      2. Sergey Valov 9 January 2020 21: 53 New
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        Sorry, I wanted to write Starinov
      3. Sergey S. 11 January 2020 16: 38 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        I have not heard such nonsense for a long time. The base for guerrilla warfare is a weapons depot thrown into the woods. No, perhaps the accomplices of the conspirators, like Tukhachevsky, were getting ready to run into the woods if there was anything to be afraid of.

        The strategy of guerrilla warfare for the USSR in the 1920s was extremely justified, for it was assumed. that if a war begins against the state of workers and peasants, all the strongest imperialist countries will unite.
        Accordingly, there was management in the structure of the NKVD, there were training centers, the ball created the material base of partisan detachments. Means and methods of communication and control have been developed, I am sure that the strategy of Victory of the enemy has been developed.
        P. Sudoplatov is his diocese.

        With the development of aviation and armored units, in some year they changed the military doctrine ... They even reached the "peak of military science" - a war on foreign territory. It was not as stupid as it seems now. If we had not eliminated the Third International, which offended many communists in other countries, there were hopes that the Red Army would be perceived as an army liberator of the "humiliated and offended."

        But it turned out. how did it happen. But this can’t be called delirium.
        Almost immediately after the outbreak of war, the Headquarters of the partisan movement was created, and detachments of NKVD officers — then superprofessionals — began to form. Accordingly, partisan bases and caches were again laid ...
  11. bober1982 9 January 2020 08: 55 New
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    Of course, there were plans to evacuate enterprises, otherwise it could not be.
    The Voronezh Aviation Plant N18 was evacuated from Voronezh to Kuibyshev, and in December 1941 the production of IL-2 (one aircraft per day) was set up. This was not enough, the attack aircraft needed the front like air.
    Stalin's telegram to the plant: If the 18th plant is thinking of taking a break from the country by giving one Il-2 a day, it is seriously mistaken. tchk I ask you not to take the government out of patience. point Warning last time. point
    Already in January 1942, the production of IL-2 per day amounted to six vehicles per day.
    1. Stas57 13 January 2020 23: 53 New
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      The Soviet people had to take effective and emergency measures to disrupt the enemy’s plans. Deployment of the production of military equipment and ensuring quantitative and qualitative superiority over the Nazi invaders in all types of weapons were largely dependent on the pace of the movement of population and production resources from west to east.
      The Central Committee of the party, GKO and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR launched a tremendous job of relocating the country's productive forces. It was led by the Evacuation Council, whose chairman was appointed HM Shvernik, his deputies were A.N. Kosygin and M.G. Pervukhin. The Council also included A.I. Mikoyan, M.Z. Saburov and others {312}. Movement control from 11 July a special group of inspectors headed by A.N. Kosygin, established by the decision of the State Defense Committee under the Evacuation Council, carried out. The Council determined the order, terms, sequence and final points of evacuation of people and material assets. Its decisions, approved by the government, were binding on all party, Soviet and economic bodies. A harmonious operational system of evacuation bodies has developed in the center and in the localities. Under all union people's commissariats, deputy commissars became authorized representatives of the Council {313}, and commissions were created from experienced, qualified workers of the apparatus that developed concrete proposals [136] and plans for relocation to various sectors of the economy and individual large enterprises. In addition, the people's commissariats sent their representatives to the evacuated plants and factories and to the points of their new location.

      History of the Second World War 1939–1945 Volume 4. Fascist aggression against the USSR. The collapse of the strategy of "lightning war." - M.: Military Publishing House, History of the Second World War 1939–1945. Volume 4. Fascist aggression against the USSR. The collapse of the strategy of "lightning war." - M .: Military Publishing House,
  12. Ros 56 9 January 2020 09: 50 New
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    Today this issue is irrelevant, but the fact that most enterprises were able to be removed from the occupied territories allows us to bow low to those who committed this, I am not afraid to say, AN EXPLOSION.
    1. Nastia makarova 9 January 2020 15: 00 New
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      why not relevant?
      1. Ros 56 9 January 2020 15: 44 New
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        And what's the point of discussing last year’s snow?
        1. Nastia makarova 9 January 2020 15: 58 New
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          the story is always interesting, it will help to avoid mistakes, now probably an evacuation plan exists
          1. Ros 56 9 January 2020 17: 48 New
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            Is your head out of order? What an evacuation, where you hide from a vigorous bomb, especially plants. It’s good if the top manages to succeed and can, and even that is unlikely, and told the rest of the GDP to paradise.
            1. Nastia makarova 10 January 2020 07: 59 New
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              most likely you’re not okay))) now there are plans for evacuation just during a nuclear attack, learn the materiel !!! not all cities and plants will be attacked
              1. Ros 56 10 January 2020 09: 43 New
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                I forgot more than your generation knows. We were taught at school what atomic war was, and strangely enough, then houses were already erected with shelters. In youth, they all clambered around with the boys, and now the gas has blown up and write letters.
  13. Shuttle 9 January 2020 11: 54 New
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    Isaev does not claim that there was no plan. He says that there was no “magic” comprehensive plan, i.e. to the cog. But the general plan was. And very clear. After all, in advance prepared sites there were no conflicts of use. It wasn’t such that two or three factories came and claimed one place.
    So in spite of the rhetorical title of the article, it should be recognized that there was a plan. Like any most detailed plan for a large-scale project (and the industrial evacuation project was probably the largest in the history of this planet known to us), it was somewhat different from its implementation. Differences between implementation and plan are inevitable in any planning. Additional fluctuations contributed to the fighting. Nevertheless, the fact remains that the Soviet country exported and created a new industrial basis for victory in the shortest possible time, in enormous volume and with an economic effect unattainable for the previous economic system, which, among other things, ensured the defeat of an entire conglomerate of states with the same previous economic system.
    In other words, there was a plan. Was it subject to adjustments immediately before and during implementation? Sure, yes, like any other big plan. Were there improvisations during the implementation? Yes they were. But in general, they worked to fulfill the goals and objectives of the plan.
  14. Tests 9 January 2020 19: 27 New
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    Shuttle (Dmitry), dear, I agree with you. Changes and additions to the plans in each republic and region were every month. Arkhangelsk region did not fight on land, BUT ...
    Five years ago, on May 9, he was in Nyonoks. Front-line soldiers were no longer alive. Then were alive two women - participants in the labor front. They said that in the summer of 1941, many women were taken away from Nenoksy for defense work in Karelia. And in the fall of the 41st many non-combatant men and many women (including those with young children) came to them mobilized for defense work from the Kirov region. There was no railway from Severodvinsk (Molotovsk) to Nenoksa then. They traveled on foot ... They built dugouts and bunkers, dug trenches along the coast of the White Sea, along the banks of the Verkhovka and Solza rivers. Of the part of the Vyatka men, 2 brigades were organized that went to the sea on the Carbasses and beat the beluga whales and caught fish. This is from people who have lived their whole lives and have not seen the sea! On September 1, 1945, the first 4 classes went to the Nenoksy school! Record. This has never happened, even in the late 70s, when the Nyonoks Landfill (on Sopka) grew by leaps and bounds, there were ballistic launches and cruise missiles every month and the construction battalion was building and building new facilities. And in 1946 - only one first class was scored in Nenoks, people went home - to the Kirov region ...
    How many hundreds of people from Leningrad were evacuated to us in Severodvinsk! SEVMASH was building 2 “Little Ones” that the Leningraders launched into the water in 1941, managed to navigate them along the LBC to the White Sea, until the “peace-loving” Finns fought with the Povenets and cut the White Sea-Baltic Canal ...
    And in Sosnovka, the Kirov region, boats from Yaroslavl were being built, and then they themselves learned to make them. Someone had to send shipbuilders from Yaroslavl to Sosnovka, and not combat men and women from Sosnovka to Nenoksa ....
  15. Undecim 9 January 2020 22: 28 New
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    The issue with the evacuation plan has long been clarified. For information, see the article by a doctor of historical sciences, professor., Academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, head of the Center for Military History of Russia, Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences G. A. Kumanev in the journal New and Contemporary History, No. 6, 2006.
    There were no pre-prepared plans.
  16. Gumma 10 January 2020 11: 37 New
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    “There were no plans” - maybe. But there was a development strategy for the eastern regions. And not only in industry. Read “For a new rise in grain farming in the eastern regions of the USSR”, Moscow, Gosplanizdat, 1940. It clearly states that as a result of the concentration of grain production in Ukraine and in connection with the possible loss of cultivated areas as a result of the coming war, a multiple increase in agricultural production in Siberia and Kazakhstan (hello, virgin soil). The publication was not chipboard, but open. Read and discover a lot.
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    The first time Isaev disappointed. A serious historian, not a liberal. And according to common sense, and according to memoirs, it turns out that there was a plan. Try to take out many thousands of cars with equipment without a plan and start issuing military products in November