Vladimir Putin arrived in Syria

It became known about the arrival of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin to Syria. According to recent reports, the plane with the Russian leader landed in the capital of Syria, and Vladimir Putin went to meet with the President of the Syrian Arab Republic, Bashar al-Assad.

The cortege of Vladimir Putin proceeded through the streets of Damascus, where he was warmly received by the locals.

During the negotiations with the Syrian counterpart, the Russian President noted the positive changes that have occurred in the ATS recently. According to Putin, Syria and the Syrian people have come a long way towards restoring statehood and the territorial integrity of the state. The President of Russia spoke out that Syria is choosing the world and moving towards it, overcoming numerous difficulties.

During a meeting with the President of the Russian Federation, which took place on the territory of the Russian command center, Bashar Assad thanked Vladimir Putin and the Russian people for their assistance and support to the people of Syria.

Bashar Assad:

I want to express my gratitude for what Russia is doing in Syria in the name of peace. I express my gratitude for the fight against terrorism waged by Russia, providing us with tremendous assistance in maintaining the independence and integrity of the state.

The President of Syria congratulated all Orthodox Russians on Christmas, Vladimir Putin, and expressed hope that relations between Moscow and Damascus will continue to strengthen.

Comments

[Kleber]

Putin in Syria is clearly not to congratulate all Orthodox Russians on Christmas. The case is clearly in Iran and Iraq.

[Sky strike fighter]

Well, it’s not in vain that he came.

The shameful flight of the US military from Iraq hit the video.

Despite Washington’s official statement that it did not intend to withdraw its troops from Iraq, it became known that while the question of unleashing World War III in the Middle East was being actively discussed in the world, the US military was urgently evacuated from Balad air base, located 70 kilometers from Baghdad .

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The shameful flight of the US military from Iraq hit the video.

From a military point of view, they did the right thing to relocate their aircraft from this airfield.
100 km from the Iranian border makes it very vulnerable to possible attacks.

[Sky strike fighter]

Seriously? Or maybe from a military point of view, the Amers need to be dumped from all over the Middle East, otherwise Iran has missiles with a range of more than 2000 km, which means they can reach many American bases in the region from a military point of view. dead star-striped will be, but on the Patriot Air Defense there is NO hope.

[maden.usmanow]

From a military point of view

reach out to many American bases in the region

= Suicide for Iran

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: maden.usmanow

From a military point of view

reach out to many American bases in the region

= Suicide for Iran

Suicide for Americans to remain at these bases as targets. But Americans are not supposed to die according to their worldview. So it’s not the one who is stronger who wins, but the one who is ready to sacrifice and goes to the end. It’s not clear to hired American contractors on these bases that they’re which seems not particularly tempting, for the IRGC to avenge the Legend is not just a matter of honor, but a sacred duty.

[smart ass]

This is what I am afraid of. When killing the head of the Xer, the Americans were counting on an otvetka from Iran to expose them as aggressors and untie their hands.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Seriously? Or maybe from a military point of view, the Amers need to be dumped from all over the Middle East, otherwise Iran has missiles with a range of more than 2000 km, which means they can reach many American bases in the region from a military point of view. dead star-striped will be, but on the Patriot Air Defense there is NO hope.

A missile is expensive for 2000 km, and there are few of them.
And for 100 km you can zerg rush a crowd of cheap missiles to arrange
And not only missiles. On the same buggy attack of a dozen suicide bombers will destroy the airfield

[Nikolay Belykh]

As soon as Iran has resorted to active hostilities or committed a major terrorist attack, the UN, EU, NATO and others will legally take up arms against it in the case.
After that, creating a coalition and rolling Iran into the trash by analogy with Iraq is a simple matter. However, the States can cope without a coalition.
Iran now has only an emotional verbal response.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: Nikolai Belykh

As soon as Iran has resorted to active hostilities or committed a major terrorist attack, the UN, EU, NATO and others will legally take up arms against it in the case.

And about the American terrorist attack, the UN did not take up arms ...
The Iranians have only one way out - to flood up the general of Amer’s point ... Even the most flaccid of the toilet-pedal troops ... They will save the face. And the war will not start. And for the whole world it will be an honest exchange.

[Arhip smith]

Analogies with NATO blitzkriegs "Desert Storm" and "Shock and Awe" in that region are no longer possible and this is more than obvious, at that time the USA was the undisputed hegemon in the world - the USSR / Russia was no longer that rival, and China had not yet become a worthy opponent. Iran is even closer to Russia and China than Iraq itself, so much so that, IMHO, then there is simply chaos and shame ...

[Arhip smith]

Quote: Nikolai Belykh

As soon as Iran has resorted to active hostilities or committed a major terrorist attack, the UN, EU, NATO and others will legally take up arms against it in the case.
After that, creating a coalition and rolling Iran into the trash by analogy with Iraq is a simple matter. However, the States can cope without a coalition.
Iran now has only an emotional verbal response.

Analogies with NATO blitzkriegs "Desert Storm" and "Shock and Awe" in that region are no longer possible and this is more than obvious, at that time the USA was the undisputed hegemon in the world - the USSR / Russia was no longer that rival, and China had not yet become a worthy opponent. Iran is even closer to Russia and China than Iraq itself, so much so that, IMHO, then there is simply chaos and shame ...

[Grits]

Quote: Nikolai Belykh

the United Nations, the EU, NATO and others legally will oppose him in the case.

Did they kill a statesman legally? If you consider it legal that the IRGC is recognized by the Americans as a terrorist organization, then the Pentagon and all US troops in response are also recognized by Iran as a terrorist organization. That is, following your perverted logic, they will legally kill American soldiers.

[Nikolay Belykh]

Those. if ISIS declares the Russian Aerospace Forces also a terrorist organization, then according to your equally perverse logic, ISIS will kill our people also for completely legitimate reasons?
Do you report in your own words?

[Victorio]

Quote: Nikolai Belykh

As soon as Iran has resorted to active hostilities or committed a major terrorist attack, the UN, EU, NATO and others will legally take up arms against it in the case.
After that, creating a coalition and rolling Iran into the trash by analogy with Iraq is a simple matter. However, the States can cope without a coalition.
Iran now has only an emotional verbal response.

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now a slightly different situation compared to that of iraq

[seregatara1969]

porridge is brewed sickly and dangerous

[Vadim237]

For the United States, it’s definitely dangerous, for us it’s quite acceptable: rising prices for hydrocarbons, gold and increasing arms exports.

[Voyager]

First of all, the dollar will fly up. And first of all, the American military machine will work. It was already passed.

[Vadim237]

No, it doesn’t take off; in countries unleashing hostilities, all indices begin to sag.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Well, let's be afraid to even annoy them, otherwise the Amer war machine will work ...

[Alexey Lobanov]

Above 70 - it is beneficial for them, for the production of shale oil the higher - the more profitable, although not for long;)

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vadim237

For the United States, it’s definitely dangerous, for us it’s quite acceptable: rising prices for hydrocarbons, gold and increasing arms exports.

In general, I agree with your assessment. We have no enmity with Iran, but there is no strong love either, a situational ally. If a battle begins between the United States and Iran, then the plus is obvious not only in the rise in prices for hydrocarbons and gold, but also in the fact that, being drawn into the Iranian crisis, the United States will be somewhat out of touch with Ukraine and SP-2 (possibly SP-3). which will give Russia the opportunity to settle its problems in these areas, although of course war is bad in all its manifestations, especially on the neighboring frontier. Considering that the Iranians are not quite weak opponents for themselves, it is clear that for the Americans this war will not be an easy walk, and there is a high probability that Iran's opposition with the involvement of "sympathetic" forces will bring American dominance in the BV to zero. So the most correct thing in this situation is to take a pause and watch how events unfold.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Seriously? Or maybe then from a military point of view, the Amers need to be dumped from all over the Middle East, otherwise Iran has missiles with a range of more than 2000 km, which means they can get to many American bases in the region from a military point of view

Maybe they should dump them, but after about half a year the opposite has been observed --- they begin to split their peacetime air bases into a network of airfield hubs, transferring part of the support forces there. I think that this is done both to ensure survivability, and to base sufficiently large reinforcements / that aviation can transfer very quickly /.
As for the flight from Balad, it was ideally suited for the occupation of Iraq, but for a possible war with Iran, it fits the depth of impact. But it does not provide the necessary survivability, secrecy and safety of takeoff and landing.

[A5V]

These missiles are purely weapons of retaliation. The Iranians would not be the first to use them in life, because no matter what losses the Americans would suffer in this case, after that they would not leave stone unturned in Iran, and the ayatollah would also not be left from the current system. And by the way, with the full support of the world community, how Iran will start a full-fledged war.

[Mityay65]

Quote: A5V

These missiles are purely weapons of retaliation.

They are unlikely to play another role. Firstly, there are quite a few of them. Secondly, there are great doubts about the accuracy of the Iranian missile guidance. Probably they’ll get into the city, and they’re unlikely to get into the aircraft parking at the airport or runway. Especially if the planes are in caponiers.

Quote: A5V

The first Iranians will not use them in life

Yes, this is just stupid. Old Trump probably does not even dream about it.

Quote: A5V

And by the way, with the full support of the world community

So far, apparently, the US is in isolation. There is no support from the allies except Britain and Israel.

[Chaldon48]

NATO, while it is anyway, will support the United States. And they will find cannon fodder, Ukraine, Georgia and the Balts will provide.

[A5V]

Quote: Mityai65

Quote: A5V

And by the way, with the full support of the world community

So far, apparently, the US is in isolation. There is no support from the allies except Britain and Israel.

Well, if Iranian missiles sprinkle on American bases in the region tomorrow - allies will be added, at least at the expense of the states on which these bases are located)) And if they are well-publicized - maybe someone from Europe will support, although it’s already lucky . In any case, they will not interfere.

And in general, regarding exaggeration, you exaggerated that in the event of a major conflict (very unlikely, as it seems to me), you should support the Sunni monarchies of the Persian Gulf, and Israel and the WB. Given that the United States even surpasses Iran alone, the situation is not in favor of the latter. But Iran is just in isolation, it has no allies, except perhaps Syria (but what kind of help it can provide) and heaps of Islamic groups, such as Hezbollah, but it is useless against them from the United States.

[SRC P-15]

Putin in Syria is clearly not to congratulate all Orthodox Russians on Christmas. The case is clearly in Iran and Ir

But is it not on the way to Israel that Putin drove into Syria? In addition, he was going to visit the Palestinian Authority in January. True, he was going to do it in late January. But it seems that the situation in the Middle East has escalated to the limit, and that is why Putin moved his voyage to an early date. I am sure that Russia will try to delay the start of hostilities between Iran and the United States.

[loki565]

Then he will fly to Turkey, it is not for nothing that Marshal Ustinov drove there.

[_Sergei_]

Putin flew to BV to open the Turkish stream. I think that from Damascus he will move to Turkey.

[figwam]

Quote: Kleber

Putin in Syria is clearly not to congratulate all Orthodox Russians on Christmas. The case is clearly in Iran and Iraq.

Yes, I agree, apparently everything is very serious.
If Iran allowed the basing of our Tu-22M3 on its territory when we bombed the Barmalei, there would be no threat of an attack by the United States.

[Terentich]

Quote: figvam

If Iran allowed the basing of our Tu-22M3 on its territory when we bombed the Barmalei, there would be no threat of an attack by the United States.

Are you serious or do you have such humor? In Syria, Russia generally has several large bases, ships are constantly on duty, and even the president personally flies there, but this does not prevent the Amers from bombing the country in the tail and mane.

[figwam]

Quote: Terentich

Are you serious or do you have such humor?

Where the Russian bases are, Americans don’t even fly, only Israel in the Hamas pounds from far away.

[Finches]

America’s supreme kill - I forgive you all the failures of the domestic economy !!!

I apologize to those who disagree - the cry of the soul - Christmas wish!

[Terentich]

Quote: Finches

America’s supreme kill - I forgive you all the failures of the domestic economy !!!

The people that so bombard you all from any action of the Americans? Are they already pressed that Kaliningrad or something else? Well seriously, if I were an Amer troll, I would have burst long ago from overeating on this site.

[Finches]

Worse - they have my Motherland - the Soviet Union has been squeezed out! And burn them for it in hell ... Better in nuclear hell! And in general - the USA, this is a fiend of hell and it is time for them to return back - home!

In Russia - any pro-American troll! So feel free!

[Terentich]

Quote: Finches

they are my homeland - the Soviet Union was overcome

Do you so easily give them the main geopolitical victory of the century? I think they will be only too happy to feed their staff once again.

[Finches]

It is necessary to face the truth - they bought and recruited part of the political leadership of the USSR, the creative intelligentsia, which was always corrupt, and very competently carried out ideological sabotage against the Soviet people! And the Soviet people were naive, educated in the spirit of human values ​​and political discipline, they never met the devil .... Therefore, this is undoubtedly a geopolitical victory of the USA! But I also knew in the USSR that the United States was the enemy of all mankind, and now it has only strengthened this opinion! A country created exclusively by the devil is the embodiment of evil on earth! England was the forerunner, but geographically not very well located, albeit on an island - so the devil took into account the mistakes and moved his offspring to American content!

[dauria]

We must face the truth - they bought and recruited part of the political leadership of the USSR,

Well, look into the eyes of this very truth - this is our leadership. Soviet, communist and entirely party. By the way, still. And there’s nothing to blame for the mirror, if they themselves have bred and put them on the very top. They are not from Mars - just the system was so arranged.
Such a disgustingly two-faced system cannot be imagined. Everyone knew why they were joining the party, but they repeated the learned phrase "Communists have no privileges except to die first."
There they were, they were rightly wondering for the bright future of the working people, already terrible.

[Finches]

Do you advocate? Oh well! So it’s not Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev and Boris Nikolaevich Yeltsin and Co. who sold themselves to the Americans, but turned out to be victims of the communist system! Poor things! That is, they are not traitors - but fighters for justice? So it turns out? And when the people in a referendum answered the whole country for the preservation of the Union - then this people is so stupid - he is a victim of the system and did not understand his happiness! Your thinking is creative and in the spirit of the times! Perhaps to the Yeltsin-center carnations on his birthday wear?

[dauria]

Do you advocate?

Not at all. More precisely - not at all. And Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and the current ones sitting in power, climbed into the party for one reason - higher than the captain in the army or deputy chief. Workshops at the factory without party membership cards. The system of the Brezhnev-Gorbachev era itself was built like this.
Under feudal lords, by birth, under capitalists, for money. And in the USSR on the art of "crawling". Here is the result. They do not need to be bought, they are ready to sell themselves.
Now even more honest. Money is power is money. Clearly and simply, without the moral codes of the builder of communism guzzle each other.
It is in your funny version that one Gorbachev destroyed the system. She herself fell apart. And not without reason.

[Finches]

I do not justify the existing system, but the country was sold by specific people and they have specific surnames! And you are trying to justify these people with an impersonal concept of the system! It had its shortcomings, but these shortcomings did not directly lead to the collapse of the country!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dauria

She herself fell apart.

By itself, the pimple will not pop out.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

He stopped in Syria on his way to Turkey. He will open the Turkish Stream.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

He stopped in Syria on his way to Turkey. He will open the Turkish Stream.

Rather, on the way to Israel.

In early September, Putin said he accepted an invitation to visit Israel. at the beginning of 2020 of the year. He intends to attend events on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz prisoners, which will be held in Israel on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

[Mityay65]

Quote: Piramidon

Rather, on the way to Israel.
In early September, Putin said he accepted the invitation to visit Israel in early 2020. He intends to attend events on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz prisoners, which will be held in Israel on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

January 27, International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
April 21 Holocaust Remembrance Day in Israel.
It is unlikely that Putin will sit 20 days in those parts.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mityai65

January 27, International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
April 21 Holocaust Remembrance Day in Israel.
It is unlikely that Putin will sit 20 days in those parts.

Israeli President Reuven Rivlin said that the Jewish state is waiting for Russian President Vladimir Putin to visit in January 2020, on the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi death camp by the Red Army Auschwitz-Birkenau (Auschwitz) in Poland.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/6548561
He has yet to open the Turkish Stream.

[asv363]

From Turkey to Iran is not far.

[Arhip smith]

Quote: asv363

From Turkey to Iran is not far.

And directly from Russia even closer .. :)

[asv363]

However, Putin is already in Turkey, in Istanbul. Therefore, we will proceed from a specific situation. And in principle, it’s closer from Astrakhan, and from Moscow it’s further to fly than from Istanbul.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

In Russia - any pro-American troll! So feel free!

Right, I support.

[Nadrub]

I am also a little nostalgic for the USSR, but still I don’t want to watch black and white TV and drive a penny having stood in line for 20 years at a car :)

[Finches]

Do not want to continue - who's stopping you! I apologize - like you and sold the country for jeans and chewing gum, instead of dumbly changing the domestic economic system! The sales elite of the USSR of the late 80s also decided the same - they simply showed their feet — spread their legs or stood up to whom it was convenient, in front of American capital and immediately got cars and bank accounts! Zad.tsu substitution is always easier than working your head!

[poquello]

Quote: Finches

Zad.tsu substitution is always easier than working your head!

Well, girls should be asked,
and "a little change" was 20 years late before it collapsed,
by the way, last night, during the Soviet era, there would have been "Melodies and Rhythms of Foreign Stage" on TV, and the whole country, clinging to the screen, yearned to see Abba or Smoky with one eye, and the stubborn believers went to church despite the intrigues of the political administration

[babylon]

My dear, do you think that in the West during the Soviet Union there was an abundance of today? )))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: vavilon

My dear, do you think that in the West during the Soviet Union there was an abundance of today? )))

It was.

[Grits]

Quote: Truth

I’m also a little nostalgic for the USSR, but still I don’t want to watch black and white TV and drive a penny having stood in line at 20 for a car

Do you think that in 2020, Soviet people would still watch black and white TV and stood in line for Zhiguli? Well then take a look at China. In 1985, their situation was much worse than ours.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Finches

Worse - they have my Motherland - the Soviet Union has been squeezed out! And burn them for it in hell ... Better in nuclear hell! And in general - the USA, this is a fiend of hell and it is time for them to return back - home!

In Russia - any pro-American troll! So feel free!

here you annealed Eugene ... respect.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Finches

Worse - they have my Motherland - the Soviet Union has been squeezed out!

Would not sell would not squeeze.

Quote: Finches

And in general - the USA, this is a fiend of hell

Last time there were English

[Finches]

There were Anglo-Saxons - if you read carefully! They are still there - look at the post carefully! And about the sold, I wrote!

[bouncyhunter]

Zhenya, salute!

Quote: Finches

There were Anglo-Saxons

God grant that your words come true!

[Finches]

Hi Pash! Merry Christmas! Peace and goodness to your home!

But the Anglo-Saxons and their litter do not concern such wishes ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Finches

Merry Christmas!

Mutually, my friend!

Quote: Finches

Peace and goodness to your home!

This is true, I’ll add from myself: peace and good to all who wish it!

Quote: Finches

But the Anglo-Saxons and their litter do not concern such wishes ...

I want to wish these unfinished gendarmes - let them receive seven times what others wish. It will be quite fair ... For he who has sown the wind will reap the storm.

[Machito]

Quote: Finches

Worse - they have my Motherland - the Soviet Union has been squeezed out! And burn them for it in hell ... Better in nuclear hell! And in general - the USA, this is a fiend of hell and it is time for them to return back - home!

In Russia - any pro-American troll! So feel free!

A good American is a dead American. Every American has a coffin. A good American is a good coffin.

[Grits]

Quote: Bearded

A good American is a dead American. Every American has a coffin. A good American is a good coffin.

Something too love Americans. Coffins still need to be earned. In the best case, wrap it with a rag.

[smile]

Terentich
Tovarisch, please do not touch our and my Kaliningrad region, please, a. :)))
. Yeah. once, in 88, I left my Klaipeda in the aforementioned area to go to an educational institution, and that time .. three-and-a-half straight, and they lost my Klaipeda.
Further solid tri-tri ...

Yeah, and now about the Kaliningrad region do not even stutter. :)))))
I’m not going to study anywhere else., Here :)))
I don’t know who there is who will squeeze something out, but I know for sure - if they try to squeeze us anywhere - there will be nobody to own, and the distant relatives of those who tried and their owners will be baptized from one glance in our direction ..
Although, of course, health and prosperity will not add to our business. :))) We lie down in one ditch. :)))

[Arhip smith]

Quote: Finches

America’s supreme kill - I forgive you all the failures of the domestic economy !!!

I apologize to those who disagree - the cry of the soul - Christmas wish!

I hope that this is not chronic in you ?! After all, Christmas is the greatest Christian holiday, and at the heart of all religions lies peace, kindness and mercy!

[Finches]

I am guided exclusively by kindness and mercy expressing this undoubtedly charitable desire! It seems to me that most people on planet Earth will gladly join my wish in the sincere hope of its fulfillment! For then on mother planet the long-awaited peace and rest will finally reign!

Merry Christmas to you! Peace and goodness!

[Grits]

Quote: Finches

I am guided exclusively by kindness and mercy expressing this undoubtedly charitable desire! It seems to me that most people on planet Earth will gladly join my wish in the sincere hope of its fulfillment! For then on mother planet the long-awaited peace and rest will finally reign!

Merry Christmas to you! Peace and goodness!

Totally agree with you. Because the USA is a huge worm in the body of the planet. This worm sucks the juices of mother earth and its inhabitants, crawls along it, poisoning everything around with its vile excrement and destroying everything with its snotty insatiable body. Only the destruction of this worm will heal the planet Earth, cleanse it from evil and lead to prosperity and peace on the entire planet.

[Zaurbek]

... he will then go to Turkey.

[Kamikaze19]

Well, as if tomorrow he opens the Turkish stream in Turkey, so he drove along the way. And Iran with Merkel 11 will discuss

[Sky strike fighter]

The case is clearly in Iran and Iraq.

Prophecy of the Goat and Aries. I'm afraid that seems like the truth.

Perhaps the upcoming US aggression against Iran is mentioned in the 8th chapter of the Book of the Prophet Daniel, which describes the “towards the end of time” (Dan. 8, 17) vision of two animals - a goat and a ram, shown to the prophet Daniel during his stay in Suzah (a city in Iran, the former capital of Elam, an ancient state in the southwestern part of the Iranian Highlands). This vision shows the following.



One-horned shaggy (the United States, by our assumption), which "from the west walked over the face of the whole earth without touching the ground" (American combat aircraft, missiles), attacked the bipedal ram in great fury "and trampled it, and there was nobody (strong allies), who could save the ram from him. " Under the two horns of the ram, as explained by the prophet Daniel, we mean "kings of Media and Persia." Persia is the official name of Iran until 1935. Mussel is a historical region in the northwestern part of the Iranian Highlands, on the outskirts of which the northeastern part of the territory of modern Iraq is located. It is also noteworthy that, as indicated in the Explanatory Bible, "the guardian spirit of the Persian kingdom appears under the image of a ram with pointed horns ... the Persian king, standing at the head of the army, as his leader, wore a ram’s head instead of a diadem." Thus, it can be assumed that the two horns of the ram (ram) are Iraq and Iran. Or Iran and Syria.

https://3rm.info/mainnews/14199-predskazany-li-v-biblii-napadenie-ssha-na-siriyu.html

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kleber

The case is clearly in Iran and Iraq.

Don't look for some secret meaning in this visit. He long ago (even before the American-Iranian turmoil) planned a visit to Israel for the beginning of 2020, on the way he looked into Syria, and at the same time he would cut the ribbon on the Turkish Stream.

[pros000007]

it would be better if he came to the Donbass, looked at how the Russian Donetsk live there - they have been surviving, for 6 years, talked to people, looked into their eyes

[KEX]

By the way, why didn’t you congratulate Muslims in the Russian Federation?

[To be or not to be]

January 8 will launch the Turkish Stream with Erdogan.
And at the same time, by root, it will save the Middle East from the Great War.
Prior to this, I was talking to Shoigu and the Defense Ministry of Syria and Turkey
Seen and in Syria there will be some kind of shift from the United States
and already the addition is coming ..
22:35 / 07.01.2020
Russian President Vladimir Putin arrived in Turkey. On Wednesday, January 8, he is scheduled to hold talks with Turkish leader Tayyip Erdogan. The Russian leader will also take part in the ceremony of commissioning the Turkish Stream gas pipeline.

[aszzz888]

Kleber (Valery) Yesterday, 18:17
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Putin in Syria is clearly not to congratulate all Orthodox Russians on Christmas. The case is clearly in Iran and Iraq.

At the GDP on 08.01.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, a meeting with Erdogan will officially launch the Turkish stream. In the SAR, GDP jumped along the way. Well, at the same time talk about business.

[YOUR]

Still there was not enough to get into.

[Grandfather]

Syrian President congratulated everyone on behalf of Vladimir Putin

it sounds so funny ... one in the face of the other ...

[cniza]

According to recent reports, the plane with the Russian leader landed in the capital of Syria, and Vladimir Putin went to meet with the President of the Syrian Arab Republic, Bashar al-Assad.

What would that mean? Just a visit or a demonstration, or both.

[BISMARCK94]

Just like that, I’d hardly go to Christmas in the country of the Muslim world. Look at the porridge brewed by amers

[Kuroneko]

Quote: BISMARCK94

Just like that, I’d hardly go to Christmas in the country of the Muslim world.

I will notice. that there are many Christians in Syria. The same Alawites (Bashar al-Assad, by the way, Alawite) are just Christians. A little Muslim, but actually Christians. So Putin’s visit to Assad at Christmas is very thought out.

[kjhg]

Quote: Kuroneko

The same Alawites (Bashar al-Assad, by the way, Alawite) are just Christians.

Are the Alawites Christians? What you will not hear in life.

[Kuroneko]

= _ =
Well, here’s even the opinion of Wikipedia:

Alawits (alawits, Arabic: العلويون - al-'Alawiyūn) are also known as Nusairites (by the name of the founder attributed by opponents or as diminutive of "noi" - christine); Arab. نصيريون - Nuṣayriyūn, tour Nusayriler), little christians ("little Turks" (in Turkey)), "Ali-Alla" (deifying Ali) - followers of Alavism - an eclectic religion, which can also be viewed as an esoteric offshoot of the Persian direction of Islam and even Shiism and its extreme directions (gulat), with whom Alawites are united by the cult of Ali, the son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet Muhammad [

The Alawites have a lot of borrowings from Christianity: veneration of Jesus as an incarnation of God, and not as a prophet, like other Muslims, apostles of Christ. The Alawites venerate a number of Christian saints and martyrs, celebrate some Christian holidays (Christmas, Easter, etc.). They carry out communion with wine, etc.

Alavism (not to be confused with Alevism) is the name of Islamic religious movements, branches or sects that are close to the teachings of Ismaili Shiites and Gnostic Christianity [5]. Some Muslim theologians (for example, followers of the famous fatwa (interpretation / view of the problem) Ibn Taymiyyi believes that the Alawites broke away from Shiism and moved away in their views and religious practice from the dominant Islamic trends, so much that they lost the right to be considered part of Islam in generalturning into a special religion - a mixture of Islam, Christianity and pre-Islamic eastern beliefs ("jahiliya").

No worse than any, God forgive me, Mormons, who, oddly enough, are also considered Christians. Only on the contrary, it’s even better, because the Mormons have a complete suction from Joseph Smith’s finger, and Alavism (and indeed Islam as a whole) takes its source in the Bible.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Kuroneko

= _ =
Well, here’s even the opinion of Wikipedia:

Alawits (alawits, Arabic: العلويون - al-'Alawiyūn) are also known as Nusairites (by the name of the founder attributed by opponents or as diminutive of "noi" - christine); Arab. نصيريون - Nuṣayriyūn, tour Nusayriler), little christians ("little Turks" (in Turkey)), "Ali-Alla" (deifying Ali) - followers of Alavism - an eclectic religion, which can also be viewed as an esoteric offshoot of the Persian direction of Islam and even Shiism and its extreme directions (gulat), with whom Alawites are united by the cult of Ali, the son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet Muhammad [

The Alawites have a lot of borrowings from Christianity: veneration of Jesus as an incarnation of God, and not as a prophet, like other Muslims, apostles of Christ. The Alawites venerate a number of Christian saints and martyrs, celebrate some Christian holidays (Christmas, Easter, etc.). They carry out communion with wine, etc.

Alavism (not to be confused with Alevism) is the name of Islamic religious movements, branches or sects that are close to the teachings of Ismaili Shiites and Gnostic Christianity [5]. Some Muslim theologians (for example, followers of the famous fatwa (interpretation / view of the problem) Ibn Taymiyyi believes that the Alawites broke away from Shiism and moved away in their views and religious practice from the dominant Islamic trends, so much that they lost the right to be considered part of Islam in generalturning into a special religion - a mixture of Islam, Christianity and pre-Islamic eastern beliefs ("jahiliya").

No worse than any, God forgive me, Mormons, who, oddly enough, are also considered Christians. Only on the contrary, it’s even better, because the Mormons have a complete suction from Joseph Smith’s finger, and Alavism (and indeed Islam as a whole) takes its source in the Bible.

Christians in Arabic masikhin, the Alawites have their own MOSQUE, from Christianity there is a minuscule

[Old Michael]

Dear Krasnodar!
Surely you know what overkvoting is.
But for the sake of sports interest, I want to understand why you are doing this?
Dear forum users, if someone likes when a completely commented post is shoved into a quote, poke me in the negative.

[Krasnodar]

I will correct))

[Old Michael]

I believe. A plus.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

nusayrita (by the name of the founder attributed by opponents or as a diminutive of "noi" - christina)

Quote: https://islam.global/verouchenie/vera/alavity-musulmane-ili-net/

The founder of this movement was the Shiite theologian Abu Shuayb Mohammad ibn Nusair.

[Xenofont]

Original Islam called to honor the people of the Book, then Bish, of the Bible. Then wild hostility began, implicated in a distortion of meanings.

[Zaurbek]

They are all people of the Book ....

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

A little Muslim, but actually Christians. So Putin’s visit to Assad at Christmas is very thought out.

The Alawites have nothing to do with Christianity.
And, of course, Putin flew into warring Syria not to congratulate the locals on the Orthodox holiday.

[Kuroneko]

See my post above.
Alawites celebrate Christmas, and consider Jesus not just a prophet, like the rest of the Muslims, but GOD.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

The Alawites are already celebrating Christmas, and they consider Jesus not just a prophet, like the rest of the Muslims, but GOD.

Quote: https://islam.global/verouchenie/vera/alavity-musulmane-ili-net/

The book “Kitabul-Majmu” (“Book of Testimonies”), consisting of 16 sections and imitating the Holy Quran, is considered to be the main source of the Alawite creed. The teachings of the Alawites are based on the idea of ​​a trinity, similar to Christianity, which includes: Ali ibn Abu Talib (s.a.), who is considered a deity, Muhammad (s.g.v.) as a reflection of the deity and Salman al-Farisi as the gate of God through his reflection .

Based on the ideas of the Alawites, Ali ibn Abu Talib (s.a.), who is recognized by the Sunnis as the righteous caliph, and among the Shiites as the righteous imam, appears among the Nusairites as the Lord God Himself. He is considered the creator of all things and the main object of worship. In response to a question about who Allah is, Kitabul-Majmu replies like this: “This is Ali ibn Abu Talib, God.” In addition, the shahada (testimony) among the Alawites reads as follows: “I testify that there is no God but Ali”

Your free interpretation is not true.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Flood

Your free interpretation is not true.

Firstly, not mine. Address all claims to the authors of Wikipedia. I deliberately quoted only her. I don’t want to start a long and useless polemic (besides, suspecting that you didn’t read the same Isaac the Syrian ... and I read a lot of works of the Holy Fathers, why - a separate and rather personal topic).
But the fact that the Alawites, with all the eclecticism of their religion, are Christians in the eyes of the other Islamic world is a real fact. And returning to our sheep, I repeat once again: Putin’s visit to Assad just before Christmas is a very smart move, because this holiday is a single and revered in Syria and in Russia. Symbolism is observed from and to. The theme is unity.
Well, and other goodies. Well, if PUTIN HIMSELF flies to Syria, and some Merkel flies on the carpet to Russia to Putin, then this is hinting at someone, right? ^ _ ^

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

Firstly, not mine. Address all claims to the authors of Wikipedia. I deliberately quoted only her.

The meaning of such selective quotation eludes me.

Quote: Kuroneko

suspecting that you didn’t read Isaac the Syrian ... but I read a lot of works of the Holy Fathers, why - a separate and rather personal topic)

What does the holy fathers have to do with the Alawites?
Or should the fact of your well-readiness pin me to a place in amazement?

Quote: Kuroneko

Christmas is a very smart move, because this holiday is a single and revered in Syria and in Russia.

About 80% or more of Syrians are Muslims. Do they celebrate Christmas too?

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Flood

About 80% or more of Syrians are Muslims. Do they celebrate Christmas too?

In 2010, most Syrians (92,8%) professed Islam. The largest religious minority was represented by Christians (5% - 6%).

A number of religious holidays are celebrated in Syria. officially. Among them, Christmas, Orthodox and Western Easter, Muslim New Year, Eid al-Adha, Eid Al-Fitr and Prophet's Birthday.

Do not pretend to be a fool. It is the Alawites who are in power in modern Syria (Pope Assad tried at one time: is it bad or not - now it doesn’t matter, just maemo shaw maemo we have what we have).

In modern Syria, the Alawite minority has an elevated political status disproportionate to its size, especially in the armed forces and security services.

Putin's visit both reinforces this state of affairs and pacifies the "orthodox" (yes, a kind of oxymoron, but such things are) Sunnis, because now all Syrians have about half a relationship between very positive and admiration towards Russia and the Russians. In short, this visit on this particular day is likely to strengthen unity Syrians, damping the coals of the ever-smoldering conflict between the Sunnis and the Alawites.
As for Russia, here it is entirely in the black. Unless, of course, the presidential board is knocked down on the way back. What, essno, is unrealistic.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

Do not pretend to be a fool.

Fu, how not beautiful. Why should I pretend to be? To match the level?

Quote: Kuroneko

Alawites are in power in modern Syria

Negotiate. Is this supposed to mean something?

Quote: Kuroneko

Putin's visit both reinforces this state of affairs and pacifies the "orthodox" (yes, a kind of oxymoron, but such things are) Sunnis, because now all Syrians have about half a relationship between very positive and admiration towards Russia and the Russians.

Correctly. Bend yours. Nothing that the clergy were from either side of the meeting. Nothing that the meeting took place in the command center, and Putin did not attend local churches.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Flood

and Putin did not attend local churches.

Did you have to?
Those whose brains have not yet leaked out of their ears - they already understood everything.

Once again, I emphasize that Christmas is Syrian nationwide official holiday. Tighten your gray matter. Well, the date of the visit is simply a symbolizing addition, which I have already said more than once. If Putin had come to Syria on April XNUMX, the whole world would have listened and shook his head.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

Tighten your gray matter.

Let's be without rudeness. Can such an erudite man really not find other expressions in his rich vocabulary?

Quote: Kuroneko

Once again, I emphasize that Christmas is the Syrian nationwide official holiday.

Below I wrote on this subject. In Syria, Christmas is officially celebrated on December 25th.
Yes, yes, I foresee your objection: whoever needs it, they understand everything. This is very convincing.
Isn't it easier for you to admit you're wrong? It all started with your assurances that the Alawites are Christians. And that you need to believe, because you have read "very many" works of the holy fathers.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Flood

Isn't it easier for you to admit you're wrong? It all started with your assurances that the Alawites are Christians. And that you need to believe, because you have read "very many" works of the holy fathers.

Not easier. But it breaks me to get the Talmuds of Isaac the Syrian from the pantry and drive in the sheets of the text. Moreover, our dialogue is a polemic, not a discussion, so it is meaningless in advance. If you want to admit wrong - if you please.
But that the Alawites - ALREADY not Muslims ... for this I give a tooth. As well as the fact that they more christiansthan the same Mormons.

Let's be without rudeness. Can such an erudite man really not find other expressions in his rich vocabulary?

Here you saw it in vain. Rudeness (judging by myself - I would not be offended by such a thing). Although the expression to find - know the problems. But is it necessary already? If in the future we have to wrestle on other topics as well - do not hesitate, I will make you happy with truly Shakespearean subject prose, subtly and acutely ridiculing the opponent’s shortcomings. You in old english? ^ _ ^
And yes, thanks for the dialogue. It delivered to me.
And, until you forgot ... You may be aware if you read Chapek (or maybe not), but I will post the link more for everyone who comes here (it will be useful for them):
Karel Capek. Twelve Receptions of Literary Controversy or Newspaper Discussion Guide
http://lib.ru/SOCFANT/CHAPEK/gazeta.txt

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

if you read Chapek (or maybe not)

Exclusively artistic prose. Although, being a little familiar with his work, I fully admit that one of his stories may be hidden behind this name.
Why constantly openly express doubts about the opponent? Does it help you get your thoughts together? Or an unconscious reverence for overvalued self-esteem?

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

But it breaks me to get the Talmuds of Isaac the Syrian from the pantry and drive in the sheets of the text.

Nobody pulled you for the language when you mentioned your deep knowledge of the subject.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Flood

Nobody pulled you for the language when you mentioned your deep knowledge of the subject.

If you look in the thread, you will find my post where I say to a completely different person that I hate and do not intend to arrange a protracted religious debate.
Really not going to. I don’t give a damn that I’ll prove to someone on the Internet how wrong he is (although in the Armaments section I do it with great pleasure from time to time), but in this case it’s easier for me to give way. I don’t want to raise bones. I said this is personal.

Immediately here I will answer the first comment about Chapek. First, you MUST read RUR (the term "robot" was unwittingly invented by Chapek). Secondly, "War with the Salamanders". This is simply the most gorgeous thing not in the plot, but in its presentation. "Fairy Tales" and "Dasha". Well, this is already so, for an amateur, although "Fairy Tales" are scandalous. Chapek also has a lot of great stories, but ... at least try to overcome RUR, salamanders and fairy tales. I think I’ll really like it. Fairy tales - for sure.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

First, you MUST read RUR (the term "robot" was unwittingly invented by Capek). Secondly, "War with the Salamanders". This is simply the most gorgeous thing not in the plot, but in its presentation.

I transparently hinted that Chapek was reading. Although 25 years have passed, or even more. But this does not negate the fact itself.

[Kuroneko]

And Tales - I didn’t read it, ne?
Forward.
https://skazkibasni.com/karel-chapek

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

And Tales - I didn’t read it, ne?

In the days of these Internet was not.
They read what they could find on paper.
I can’t pretend to have read all of Chapek.
And certainly I will not rush from your submission.
Better leaf through Autumn of the Middle Ages.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kuroneko

at least RUR, salamanders and fairy tales try to overcome

Again this condescending intonation. I think it’s usual for you to hear once again that you are a difficult person to communicate with. Go down a couple of steps from the mountain heights to us raw.

[Xenofont]

Ethiopian Christians, essentially Orthodox Orthodox, have so many ritual cults that generally resemble the wild pagans Mumbu Yumbu! But, nevertheless, accepted by the Christian world.

[Flooding]

Quote: Xenofont

Ethiopian Christians, essentially Orthodox Orthodox, have so many ritual cults that generally resemble the wild pagans Mumbu Yumbu

I don’t know about the rites, but it’s known for certain that the Ethiopian church is one of the oldest in the Christian world.
And its mention is absolutely unacceptable along with the Alawites who split from the Ismaili Muslims.

[andrewkor]

I completely agree with you - Syria, one of the regions of early Christianity, along with Palestine and Egypt!

[Kuroneko]

Thank you, Andrey. I have long begun to join long religious disputes with opponents (life taught me, although in the subject I rummage better than many - but let's not talk about it, because this knowledge and "brought a lot of pain"). Merry Christmas!
And, God forbid, let the Syrians at least this year receive more than they lose.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andrewkor

I completely agree with you - Syria, one of the regions of early Christianity, along with Palestine and Egypt!

I agree, but arguing about religion, especially with fanatics, is useless, as well as about aviation and the navy.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: tihonmarine

but arguing about religion, especially with fanatics, is useless, just like about aviation and the navy.

The funny thing is, many of my friends (and at least like atheists) have found a convenient way for themselves: they believe in SCIENCE. At the same time, they do not even suspect that they are essentially the same religious fanatics as some grandmothers in the temple of someone erecting themselves on a field or other terrain there. Replace one word - and voila. But the essence is the same. Just without a censer and incense.
And sadly, the simple fact is that DO NOT believe ANYTHING that a person cannot.

[Grits]

Quote: Kuroneko

it’s just that you DO NOT believe ANYTHING that a person cannot

Personally, I believe in the cleansing power of Yellowstone Volcano.

[atalef]

Quote: Kuroneko

The same Alawites (Bashar al-Assad, by the way, Alawite) are just Christians. A little Muslim, but actually Christians.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: atalef

[Kuroneko]

Quote: cniza

What would that mean? Just a visit or a demonstration, or both.

Probably, a serious conversation about how to finally crush both adders - both Idlib and American. The demonstration itself.
Well, most likely, add weight to Assad in the upcoming talks with Erdogan.

[cniza]

Yes, Assad and Erdogan will have very difficult negotiations, given their "love" for each other.

[rocket757]

And who has such a direct, direct, good relationship with the Sultan. That still shot, he loves to attack his favorite corns.

[cniza]

But he is not eternal, only the Sultan does not feel it.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

But he is not eternal, only the Sultan does not feel it.

He is not the only one, not sensitive! Although, the postulate that no one is eternal, proved more than once or twice.

[cniza]

Their blinders grow, and when the time comes ...

[rocket757]

When the goal is to exalt yourself and your country in yourself .... people take many risks.

[cost]

cniza (Victor): But he is not eternal, only the Sultan does not feel this.

Erdogan has long been in correspondence with the famous modern fortune teller Kaede Uber and visits her regularly in France. She also often happens in Turkey. And who do you think he stops at? By the way, to the visit of Vladimir Putin to Turkey, Kaede Uber is just visiting Erdogan. An accident?

[rocket757]

A good analyst is valuable .......
All the same, mysticism and everything else is not mine.

[cniza]

That's it, if the analyst is important and necessary, everything else is from the evil one ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

That's it, if the analyst is important and necessary, everything else is from the evil one ...

People BELIEVE and nothing can be done about it.
A really good analyst makes forecasts with a high probability !!! No less than any super super fortuneteller.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Kuroneko

Well, most likely, add weight to Assad in the upcoming talks with Erdogan.

Plus, the German Chancellor Merkel arrives in Moscow on January 11 ... Trump seems to have seriously brewed porridge ... Bloody spray can fly in all directions ... ... They sprinkle both Russia and Europe.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: 30 vis

Plus, on January 11, German Chancellor Merkel arrives in Moscow ...

Already at least twice her foot will not set foot on Russian soil again, while at the helm of power - GDP. ^ _ ^
Well, if someone else remembers her oath of the times of "Crimeanash", hee-hee.
Although what else to expect from the former communist, nudists and conjuncturists?

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Kuroneko

Although what else to expect from the former communist, nudist, and conjuncturist?

Yes, she would fly to Moscow without panties, how to blow her nose, ..... owls had such incriminating evidence that nudism for her was like a religious procession for the Orthodox.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: cherkas.oe

..... owls on her so compromising that nudism for her, like a religious procession for the Orthodox.

I often think about this topic (not about nudism, essno): is it possible that the small-town power (well, money and RESPECT) is so sweet and important for a person that he voluntarily agrees to become someone else's puppet?
I live my little life. But she’s free, I don’t dance to the tune of someone else. Well, perhaps to the tune of my kittens, but they have small requests: feed and caress. What I'm only happy to do.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Kuroneko

is it possible that the small-town power (well, both money and RESPECT) is so sweet and important for a person that he voluntarily agrees to become someone else's puppet?

After all, she thought that she herself had achieved, and it was just that she was chosen, because with certain abilities she had such incriminating evidence that she was obliged to do what was ordered, not to let her take advantage of what she had acquired in her place.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: cherkas.oe

'Cause she thought she herself had reached

Perhaps she still thinks so.
Small people, somehow breaking into power, often flourish megalomania. What is the fact.
By the way, Hitler also enjoyed suffered enjoyed it. Here is Napoleon - no. He simply knew his worth, and history gave him a chance, which he successfully took advantage of. It's funny, but if in Russia he was given the rank they desired, then ... there would be no Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte! ^ _ ^ But what happened, what happened.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 30 vis

Bloody spray can fly in all directions ... ... Spatter both Russia and Europe

And Uncle Trump’s rating for the election.

[Edik]

Quote: cniza

What would that mean? Just a visit or a demonstration, or both.

What are the troubles in the world? Iran + USA = ?. Assad is close to the Iranian leadership ..

[New Year day]

Quote: cniza

What would that mean? Just a visit or a demonstration, or both.

an attempt to minimize problems in connection with the killing of Suleimani. If Iran goes counter to the states, Iran’s aid to Syria will suffer. And the war in Syria is far from over.

[Grandfather]

Quote: cniza

What would that mean? Just a visit or a demonstration, or both.

how to put it more gracefully ... "case is a pipe" ....

[petrol cutter]

"The President of Syria, in the person of Vladimir Putin, congratulated all Orthodox Russians on Christmas and expressed the hope that relations between Moscow and Damascus will continue to strengthen."
Thank you, even though I'm not baptized. (Well, it happened. My grandfather was a communist ...)
Well....
What is the essence of the issue?

[cherkas.oe]

It is possible to accept baptism at any age, there would be a desire, and God will forgive the grandfather. The choice is yours.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: cherkas.oe

and grandfather God will forgive.

And for what?

[petrol cutter]

How for what? For the innocently killed Germans. My grandfather went through the war in artillery. Can you imagine how much they put there? How long did you get to Berlin? True, with interruptions for the treatment of injuries. From which he eventually died in '82.
As they used to say, repentance is necessary. Everyone and always.
Only repentance can save mother Russia!
And that characteristically repented. Until our feet wiped away.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Petrol cutter

How for what? For the innocently murdered Germans. My grandfather went through a war in artillery.

Well, my grandfather was also an artilleryman, but he beat the Japanese (he served in the Far East). Moreover, the Japanese were essentially innocent towards us in World War II, unlike the Germans (for, sorry for my elven, after Khalkhin Gol, they expectedly fell asleep on the USSR, although Hitler insisted very much). But do not accept Shinto because of this, ne? ~ _ ^
PS Well, if you recall the story and dig a little deeper - then all the rules are the same. During the Civil War, the Japanese interventionists also committed atrocities on our Siberian soil.
So karma is like that.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kuroneko

During the Civil War, the Japanese interventionists also committed atrocities on our Siberian soil.

Well done, thanks for remembering. Already until 1924 there were still.

[Kleber]

even though I'm not baptized. (Well, it happened. My grandfather was a communist ...) Grandfather was in artillery the war has passed

.

There are no atheists in a war.

[petrol cutter]

However, the fighters did not insist on mobile churches during the war. And the priests, planes, submarines and minesweepers did not baptize before leaving.
In Afghanistan, too, it is somehow not particularly noticed.

[Kleber]

Quote: Petrol cutter

However, the fighters did not insist on mobile churches during the war. And the priests, planes, submarines and minesweepers did not baptize before leaving.

The soldiers did not insist. Yes, and it was possible to get into the penal battalion. But under bombardments they prayed and were baptized and not baptized before the attack.

[dvina71]

Quote: Kleber

Yes, and it was possible to get into the penal battalion

One feels the knowledge of the topic .. ONLY OFFICERS got into the STRAFFBAT for war crimes .. that is, violation of the Charter .. Please .. with you an article of the Charter of the Red Army, which forbids praying or baptism?

[Shuttle]

Quote: Kleber

even though I'm not baptized. (Well, it happened. My grandfather was a communist ...) Grandfather was in artillery the war has passed

.

There are no atheists in a war.

Expand the thesis, please. This is when, in a trench under fire, Mikhail Ivanovich fiercely prays that God will not allow him to perish? But Fyodor Timofeich was not worthy to pray next to him, and let him kill him instead of Mikhail Ivanovich? So what? It's time to disassemble and analyze this common and "beautiful" phraseological unit!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Petrol cutter

Can you imagine how much they put there?

Yes, it is necessary to pray for such, but not repent.

[New Year day]

Quote: cherkas.oe

God will forgive grandfather. The choice is yours.

before God, everyone is equal - both baptized and not baptized.

[petrol cutter]

At the dawn of distant youth (somewhere like that in the early nineties), in the wake of universal love for God. I pinned up at the church. And he asked the saint’s father (with the utmost respect for him) - I’m just a simple person, I want to be baptized, officially join God, so to speak. What to do?
Bring a certain amount of money that week, you look and settle this issue.
After that, gentlemen and ladies ... I became very negative about the church as a whole, and God in particular.
Since (in theory, comrade God was obliged to fuck with thunder his servant. Who cuts money in his name).
Nothing happened though. Everything went on as it goes on.
Therefore, I am very cool towards God. From mild to moderate.

[vitvit123]

clergy are people, and people are all different. by one priest to judge God or all other priests is not entirely correct, probably? or ? if all of us, comrade God, "fucked" for all our mistakes, then what would have happened .... I do not incline to anything, just questions ...

[petrol cutter]

"if all of us, comrade God," fucked "for all our mistakes, then what would happen then .... I do not incline to anything, just questions ... if all of us, comrade God, were" fucked "for all our mistakes, what would have happened then .... I do not incline to anything, just questions ... "
So there are suspicions that then there would be a place to be. ORDER!
For everyone would understand that for every p ... eb- there will be a punishment !!! How else?!.
Already people have proved that people, they are such people ...
What without ... How without gingerbread!

[vitvit123]

I don’t even know what to answer. Have you never been wrong? maybe they didn’t finish it because of laziness? maybe when someone is not deservedly offended, scolded? what to do now?

[petrol cutter]

I am often mistaken. And it happens a business case, a fatal mistake. But I do not drag religion to my mistakes. It’s my fault alone. Not a certain church, or a certain God. Sorry for being blunt. Well, they raised me like that.
Poisoned people the whole holiday ...
Forgive generously fellow citizens! ..

[vitvit123]

well, you didn’t spoil anything or poison me, it’s absolutely neutral ... well, after all your mistakes, if you had to be punished, what would happen to you and all people (we are all far from ideal) ... just such a question, it’s better not to touch .. and about the priests too .. they are people, just in the service, for various reasons. serve, some are in good condition, others are not. my childhood friend became a priest, of extraordinary character strength, in childhood I was surprised, very stubborn in sports. Now he is raising - he is engaged with many children, I don’t even know how to explain it, the children are different and prosperous and not. he travels with them to regions with different goals and they parachuted with him and he has a lot of trips, he makes march-throws. sponsors to him, I suppose they also give money for this, but how else can they take 20 boys - girls to another area ... but at the same time, despite being not an old person, people come to him to confess and he definitely Don't take a dime. I myself from the Ryazan region, p. Kadom, you can look on the Internet about our outback (interesting). there the truth about another priest will be written a lot (I also know him very well personally) Father Athanasius, but this is a very unusual person. I absolutely do not persuade anyone, in the sense of religion, you do not care whether you believe me or not.

[dvina71]

Quote: vitvit123

what to do now?

Well ... basically ... my grandmother ... the kingdom to her ... was a believer, but she never went to church .. I once asked her. Why? She answered me - Is there a god there? And if there is, how does it differ from the god in the icon, what is standing in the corner of the house?
At first, I didn’t attach any importance to these words .. there was the middle of the 80s .. Then Niva came to the state farm .. new one .. two fathers came out from whom jeans and sneakers were visible under a cassock ..
Then a truck arrived .. lowered the side, two such ..strong..shock-bearers got up there .. and they just watched as grandmothers carried them food and dragged heavy bags into the truck .. And then the meaning of her words began to reach me ..
And finally I was finished off by such a situation .. After the war in the south people planted fruit trees along the roads, my grandmother worked at Plodosovkhoz .. and therefore the road from Ostrogozhsk to the state farm was planted with apple and pear trees. They planted trees for general use ..
In the 90s I came to visit my grandmother .. well, my daughter and wife drove me to pick up some apples .. I arrive where there are early huts, and there the lawn and guys in robes cheerfully carry apples to the truck .. When I began to pick apples, they were a little on me with fists didn’t rush .. let's yell - Che ut ut apples you take, not yours !!!
So is that them? What people planted for everyone, how did it become them?
What did Christ do with the temples and why do you remember? To say how much it costs to baptize now?

[vitvit123]

------- two priests in whom jeans and sneakers were visible under a cassock ..----- this is very funny, honestly ... and they can’t walk in jeans and sneakers? why? because you are not used to seeing them in this way? and in which they are sweeter to you?

about bad priests ---- I don’t argue with you at all! may be ! but this does not prove the existence or non-existence of God or the positiveness or negativity of God and does not characterize all priests. Yes or no ? if not, why did you write about it here, just show your emotions? heard such stories, if true, then this is bad. what else do you want to hear? many can tell you this ....

To say how much it costs to baptize now?
I write again, I come from the Ryazan region of Kad, we can be baptized for free without problems, maybe everyone is baptized for free. just if there were problems with this, the inhabitants of the village would not understand this ... how much does it cost you, I don’t know? I admit that you are telling the truth. Which of these? I brought you another case! which of this?

[dvina71]

Quote: vitvit123

and that they can’t walk in jeans and sneakers?

Yes, how much ... maybe. They just arrived at the state farm, and not just like that, but for the grubs .. For a second .. the new Niva then .. in my opinion, they should have brought the grandmothers the hotel ... whose pension is 14 rubles ..

Quote: vitvit123

maybe they baptize everyone for free

Maybe so .. only I travel a lot around the country .. And I see the huge monstrous buildings of the Russian Orthodox Church only in big cities .. but in small towns there are churches that need repair .. True, the Russian Orthodox Church wants the state to do this, and then the ROC will take on its own balance .. Here they are .. they are slowly destroyed.
Do you know the story of the church in the village of Bukhalovo, Yaroslavl Oblast?
Something does not fit with your free baptism .. not?

[vitvit123]

---- A new Niva then .. in my opinion, they should have transported hotel grandmothers ---
and that they arrived in a new field is also bad, i.e. be sure to come to a ruin ... it’s also doubtful ... about the hotel ... I don’t know what they should have brought all this particular. my mother has 13000 rubles. She didn’t even think that she should bring something to her, but this is lyrics. Sorry, but I again saw your emotions, but did not notice the crime by which you can judge all the priests (I’m not trying to whitewash them)

Quote: dvina71

Do you know the story of the church in the village of Bukhalovo, Yaroslavl Oblast?
Something does not fit with your free baptism .. not?
Reply

I don’t know the history of your example, I know the history of my example. And what from this ?
about baptism for free always I can hurry a little, but if the board is there it is definitely very small, or maybe it still isn't there, I'll ask later ...
Once again, we have a large religious center (Ryaz. Obl. P. Kadom), I communicate a lot with fellow countrymen, all already mature people, the monastery (the complex there) were restored with us. I have never heard absolutely negative from anyone, especially with religious overtones. there are a lot of pilgrims going to Father Athanasius, he takes people for free, and thousands of people go to him and you need to sign up for a long time, you can make a lot of money on him, but everything is free (his tricks) ... we don’t have any other way ..

[dvina71]

Let's recap. First ... God has nothing to do with it .. The Russian Orthodox Church has absolutely nothing to do with it. This is just a business on the feelings .. or the errors of people. Moreover, the business is profitable ... there are no taxes, even from the state there are no buns ... in the form of real estate, you can claim it. Moreover, all social programs ... with homeless people, people with disabilities, treatment are decided either on state money or people collect it. The ROC stupidly stuffs moshna .. spitting on everything that can not bring them income.
So .. I’m talking about the church in with. Bukhalovo .. People there upholstered all the rapids in the regional representative office of the Russian Orthodox Church .. asked to help restore the church. As a result, they restored it for their money .. here and everything you need to know about the modern Russian Orthodox Church.
And I do not deny the presence of worthy people in this system ... but for some reason all of them are at the grassroots level ... they live in exile ..

[New Year day]

Quote: dvina71

First ... God has nothing to do with it .. The Russian Orthodox Church has absolutely nothing to do with it. This is just a business on the feelings .. or the errors of people.

somehow it turns out

[Xenofont]

I was in Rhodes Greek, drove into churches and monasteries. There it seems to be a state religion, but the church is on a starvation diet, but everything is free in the churches: candles, rites, and priests are people. Donation boxes and no more. In Turkey, I saw rings, watches and other valuable objects right in front of the iconostasis. Whoever can help the church.

[Altona]

Quote: Petrol cutter

"if all of us, comrade God," fucked "for all our mistakes, then what would have happened ...

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Vitaly, it is corny in life there is a notorious probability and a coincidence of life circumstances, which is completely described by a complex mathematical model. Since there is no mathematical model for all occasions, then everything is blamed on God's providence. That's all. Do not get involved in ideological disputes. Someone is just a "humanist" in life.

[vitvit123]

I’ll clarify a bit. I don’t want to get involved in religious disputes, I try to avoid statements, at least .... I want to draw your attention to the fact that I'm just asking questions. usually knowing the answers in advance, I try to show people that this is just their perception, just so that we understand that we are all with different perceptions and this needs to be understood .... well, maybe chaotically, but the direction is ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vitvit123

clergymen are people, and people are all different. judging by one priest about God or about all other priests is not entirely correct, probably?

Yes, they do not judge God here, but the church. And the church is the work of human hands. And not one priest is judged - price lists for services are in every church.

[vitvit123]

once again the Ryazan region of the village of Kadom (one of the religious centers), if they take money for services, such that the whole village is silent and a lot of pilgrims are also inaudible to murmur. Look in a search engine that I’m not lying about a religious center ... Now I asked my wife, they took us for a wedding, she says yes, we paid, but it was very small pennies! we were very poor people, I would remember if it were expensive! but at least in our village I’ve never heard anyone complain. daughter baptized (in Ryazan) we can’t even remember to pay. Well, as without a money issue, you probably won’t get away from it, especially in our lives ... we even had it (I don’t know now) if there is no money, you can take and put candles to the icons for free (the cheapest) ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vitvit123

Look in the search engine that I do not lie about a religious center

The tariff for baptism, the Samara region, the village of Bolshaya Ryazan - 1500 rubles, the village of Sancheleevo - 1200 rubles, Tolyatti, Avtozavodsky district - from 1000 rubles. Prices for commemoration, funeral, baptism are in any church. Is it from God?

[vitvit123]

Well, it’s not strong in religious rites, of course, that I agree to the price lists for commemoration and funeral services, I’ll definitely find out how we deal with it now (what prices). but a couple of years ago I was in Diveevo myself, so as far as I remember the tariffs were different, from cheap (which I allowed myself) to expensive, I speak for prayers for the departed (like that is called), that is, I haven’t I agree and do not agree (as an option, you could take rites with the participation of the patriarch). but the fact that I don’t have such a problem in a poor village worries me. Well, if you're right, can you try to explain to me how the church can exist outside of finance? because the temples need to be repaired (as an example, large sums), the priest must also live, feed his family (they should not fast all the time), there are some utensils for the church to buy, they probably still have expenses .... here I’m giving you I don’t prove anything, here I ask how do you think ... about God? God probably doesn’t need money, but so that people remember, know God, then people work there, they need money (in my opinion). although I’ll tell you again my vision, the priests are people, and people are all different, I started talking for it, it turns out that we have different impressions from the church and priests, I wrote to you that I didn’t notice the financial issue in my wedding, in my baptism child and in the commemoration of loved ones, but you have a different opinion, because you have a different opinion, I absolutely do not say that you are wrong!

By the way, as an option, I’ve been to the Sanaksar Monastery several times, I spent the night in a free hotel, ate free food, I didn’t do much (if I wanted), I never drove any money there (if the current is a trifle), but again, of course, I’m there I didn’t conduct any ceremonies, the elder father Ironim used to live there, so I went to him, everything was free - that's for sure. By the way, I also went to Diveevo and many friends, I never heard that someone didn’t like it or had problems with financial issues at all .. maybe I don’t notice it, because there is no antipathy, maybe ... since childhood I have known several priests (from the village of Kadom), one of them is Father Athanasius (thousands of people are coming to him), I can repeat myself again, he does not take money. you can come without money at all and don’t buy anything at church; it will just accept you and try to help .. well, what else can I say, he could make big money, but he don’t need them already, probably ...

maybe today I’ll go to the nearest church, now I’m in Ryazan (if I’m not ashamed of the reason) and try to see the price list where my daughter baptized ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vitvit123

Well, if you're right, can you try to explain to me how the church can exist outside of finance?

Donations and price are two different things.

[vitvit123]

Ie there should not be a price, but should live only on donations? did I understand you correctly ? I’ll say right away that not all churches could be restored, and even if I were a priest, it would be difficult to explain to my children why they can eat current on church holidays, because outside the holidays, there would definitely not be any income (well, as an example). do you get money for work every month? in the army they receive for service, in the police every month, and the priests depend only on donations for their lives and their families? correctly ?
By the way, we have an icon in Kadoma’s monastery, so people donated to this icon (gold things, chains, rings, etc.), hung on a rope in front of it and lay ..., so we climbed in before the new year crooks and all gold (donations) stole. the police still haven’t found ...

[vitvit123]

with your logic, you could ask a question that you would consider offensive! ....................
why did you write this. it turns out you can! you make a reservation right away! for others, I think not! I don’t even want to wonder if your loved ones (female) go to temples ...
once again if you think this is normal (the topic with brothels), then excuse me, I will not conduct a dialogue with you in this way .... there are certain moral standards and I’m not only for the church ... I can’t even find words, for such contrasts

[vitvit123]

what are you doing? justify yourself? or that I was impressed? I don’t understand at all! why did you put it in, there’s probably a drunk priest ... what conclusions should I draw then?

[Ingvar 72]

Damn, again it’s hard for you to reach. You talked about morality above - the video is a vivid example of a moral monster. You mentioned salary here - salaries in a church cannot be a priori. And the goals of the church (at least stated) are by no means profitable.
But in real life we ​​see something different.

[vitvit123]

What conclusion should I draw because of this moral monster in the church? I could insert another video where the priest is better .. so what? Well, I don’t understand! there are bad people there are good, priests are people, what's next?
I can’t agree that in the church the salary cannot be a priori. I do not agree. and this is a very long time ....
another question ... why did you insert this video and focus on it? What conclusion should I draw? work hard, like a fool (I didn’t even know that there are such videos and there are many more, of course I’m not watching everything, but it's really my fault) ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vitvit123

why did you insert this video

You reproached me for violating moral standards. I laid out to you in response to the one who really transgresses them. Is it really that hard to understand?

[vitvit123]

Should we bring him up? should you and I take an example from him or justify ourselves in less - worse acts? what does this have to do with your perverted comment about the brothels? or what does this person with immoral behavior have to do with me? like anyone with immoral Internet behavior?

[vitvit123]

maybe you just got carried away with brothels (this was not a good example), yes with the video too? maybe this is still not an indicator for all priests? I myself am often fond of disputes, you have witnessed that (with the price of gas), there is nothing to worry about ....

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Donations and price are two different things.

That's right here. However, in Orthodoxy there has never been and is not mandatory tithingOr indulgences. But, excuse me, at least city temples need to survive for something. These are only large monasteries self-sufficient, because there, the brethren can still provide for themselves at the very least (and even here there is a huge difference with what was happening in Catholic Europe, and as it was with us: Catholics really were panas and in fact owners of all resources, roads, and people in towns / villages of your estates ... you won’t detach - we will be excommunicated. That's why they always had graters with kings, because the Western Catholic mafia squeezed out a lot of state revenues).
Well, before the Orthodox faith was a faith, and not a convenient feeding trough for individual (nevertheless, I believe that individual) presumptuous "abbots", for whom today Orthodoxy is just a profitable business, and a cassock is a kind of business suit.

[cost]

An interesting newspaper article appeared in the Surgut press in the mid-90s "Orthodox Witches". The author is the head of the Surgut and Khanty-Mansiysk parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War. "Young girls entered the church without headscarves, and their old women naturally drove them out of the church. So the priest writes that this caused harm to the church, not benefit. After that, these girls will never come to church. And you just had to explain what and how. And on the contrary say hello "Truly it is said make a fool to pray to God - he will break his forehead"

[Altona]

Quote: Petrol cutter

At the dawn of distant youth (somewhere like that in the early nineties), in the wake of universal love for God. I pinned up at the church.

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Vitaly, I pinned down and baptized in the same way, they didn’t ask me for any cosmic sums — a basin of water on my head and a spoon of cahors of all business. I wear the cross as belonging to the civilization in which I was brought up; nevertheless, all these moral attitudes grew out of the notorious commandments. But in fact, an agnostic, because seriously believing in Santa Claus in this version is somehow dumb at my age, yet I am a supporter of a scientific approach. But on the other hand, no one has yet clearly explained how carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen voluntarily created lipid chains and then complex protein molecules, and how life was born. Well it is, a philosophical essay on a Christian holiday.

[petrol cutter]

So and about what chains the conversation can go, in principle?
You believe in them!
With all due respect, I believe that four engines will come to order A40- tomorrow after my departure from vacation.
But, I will come from vacation - on the thirteenth, in fact, and there will be no motors. What will God say about this? I would like to hear his point of view. And also explanations, where is the engine of the father?! ...

[Altona]

Quote: Petrol cutter

What will God say about this? I would like to hear his point of view. As well as clarifications, where is the engine of the father ?!

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Vitaly, I seem to have explained everything to you in the comments above. If you do not understand, then somehow I will expand my theses to the level of a book paragraph. About "belief in chains", I only believe in common sense.
PS Regarding "going to work", I am also interested in what will happen to work, but in this case, the weather conditions and the poor economic situation in the country, which was not arranged by God, play a negative role.

[petrol cutter]

In no case, I had no intention of offending, or "presenting" something to you personally. Please accept my assurances of the utmost respect to you.
In principle, I regretted that I got involved in a discussion of religion.
This is such a swamp, just get started! .....
Everyone has their own preferences ... No questions. We have a democracy. And not America, what tea ...
Once again, I apologize if where it was sharp.

[Altona]

Quote: Petrol cutter

I’m basically sorry

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Vitaly, we all proceed from the primacy of freedom of conscience, and we can end here. Each subject is mistaken to the best of his ability and completely voluntarily, it is his inalienable right, it is given to him by upbringing and the information surrounding him from which he is free to draw his conclusions. We can believe, we can not believe, we can doubt, the worm of doubt and blind faith are two opposites.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Petrol cutter

Thank you, even though I'm not baptized. (Well, it happened. My grandfather was a communist ...)

My grandmother was also a communist, and in general an ardent homo sovieticus (to an old age, though - she already reviewed some things for herself), but still baptized our whole young cohort - me, a cousin and two cousins ​​(we were all grandchildren from her three daughters). When I asked her back then: grandmother, you don’t believe in God, why? She said that just her mother (my great-grandmother) before her death bequeathed to her to baptize, if not daughters, then grandchildren. And yes, it was back in Soviet times.
So communism is not an obstacle to baptism. ^ _ ^

[Altona]

Quote: Kuroneko

My grandmother was also a communist, and in general an ardent homo sovieticus (to an old age, the truth - she already reviewed some things for herself), but still baptized

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A strange revolution in her worldview, if she, as an "ardent communist", should have known that "religion is an opium for the people," that is, a moral crutch, justifying all the injustices of the world by God's tests.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Altona

A strange revolution in her worldview, if she, as an "ardent communist", should have known that "religion is an opium for the people," that is, a moral crutch, justifying all the injustices of the world by God's tests.

When death is just around the corner, people tend to change. In addition, then the USSR and all dreams of communism collapsed. What did she have to believe in and what to look for, if not God?
By the way, we were baptized in the then ONLY functioning church in the whole of Tankograd (well, figley, the USSR was still there). This is now a lot of temples.

[Altona]

Quote: Kuroneko

active church throughout Tankograd

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Do not understand. Are you from Chelyabinsk?

[Kuroneko]

Essentially. There is only one Tankograd on a ball called Dirt.
=3

[Altona]

Quote: Kuroneko

Essentially. There is only one Tankograd on a ball called Dirt.
=3

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Well then, accept my assurances of the utmost respect to you, because I have been in Chelyabinsk for a couple of years, and it was in the Traktorozavodsky district. And this church building in the Armenian style opposite ChTZ is well known to you, I personally took a photo (2007).

[Kuroneko]

I BORROWED a photo, thank you.
In turn, I can share an excellent video from TyTruba. Take a look at how our city (and yours, at least for those two years of life) looks like a city from above. Surprisingly, pretty good and even handsomely for such an industrial giant with a bunch of factories in the city (damn it, I myself live a hundred meters from the shops of Metalka - Metal Construction Plant). In Leninsky, yes.

[Demon_is_ada]

Your grandmother was just a wonderful woman

Quote: Kuroneko

So communism is not an obstacle to baptism. ^ _ ^

It is the same Remember Yeshua's words - I will destroy temples and build a Temple in everyone's soul? And what did the communists do? The same thing, they tried not to touch the monasteries as much as possible, especially if they did not receive citizens, so to speak ... And the code of the builder of communism is not a reprint from the Commandments? And the problem of baptism - a trip to the "house of God" (that is, the church), the rite of the "representative of the Lord on earth" (that is, the priest) does not seem to you a certain grotesqueness of this behavior, if you remember how the first rite of baptism was performed at all ??? Is not the universe of the house of God? That's how good intentions get where you want ... first create a system for good, then the system starts to work for itself, then against the creators and against their goals ... and then, as always ... At the advice there was a whole area called scientific atheism and for almost a hundred years they have not proved anything and a negative result is the same result by the way So not everything is so simple ... yeah ...

[Kuroneko]

Thanks for your kind words.
I think my grandmother is you THERE - I heard it. Even if not, I will tell her. I often pray about her. For it is my duty, even if purely moral, even if taken as an axiom belief atheists that after death there is nothing. = 3

[petrol cutter]

All. Basta. I sowed a grain of contention. Me and finish! The parties exchanged views, we are finishing the debate on this issue. Everyone remained with their opinions, holivors will not start !.

[maidan.izrailovich]

According to recent reports, the plane with the Russian leader landed in the capital of Syria, and Vladimir Putin went to meet with the President of the Syrian Arab Republic, Bashar al-Assad.

A difficult decision to fly there. Warring country. And in general, a hot region.
Demonstration to the world of the possibilities, first of all, of Russian special services. It depends on them how well everything goes.

[Siberian 66]

I can’t even imagine how many forces and means our cover for the president in such a region ...

[cniza]

That's for sure, there, probably, even birds walk on the ground right now.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

That's for sure, there, probably, even birds walk on the ground right now.

This is just a strategic necessity.
The command is NOT to fly! Because they do not fly.
Our Commander-in-Chief and the Minister of Defense have enough convincing arguments to reinforce such a team. This is the reality of our days.

[cniza]

But it should not be different, the main thing is that there is such an opportunity.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

But it should not be different, the main thing is that there is such an opportunity.

In another way.
It is good to know that everyone is aware of the command of our Minister of War.

[Siberian 66]

I can’t understand, is Peskov personally holding a microphone? This is the level of security ..

[Terenin]

Quote: Siberian 66

I can’t understand, is Peskov personally holding a microphone? This is the level of security ..

So no one forbids the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation to be a prosecutor in court .
And, D. Peskov has a "press ..."

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Siberian 66

I can’t understand, is Peskov personally holding a microphone? This is the level of security ..

So no one forbids the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation to be a prosecutor in court .
And, D. Peskov has a "press ..."

Indeed, he didn’t scrub the floors there, everything is seen transiently, the press staff did not manage to turn on.

[Terenin]

Quote: ul_vitalii

... everything is fleeting, the press staff did not have time to turn on.

yes just like intelligence spies

R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№

[kjhg]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

I can’t understand, is Peskov personally holding a microphone?

He trusted Putin’s jacket . Probably, he always tries food first

[Vadim237]

Peskov is the main hunchback, pomelo and probnik in the Kremlin.

[andr327]

Oh and restlessly se

[Thrifty]

Interestingly, is the visit to Iran "inadvertently" planned? To infuriate Trump, to mix all the cards with the United States, such a visit to Iran, to the funeral of a murdered general, will be very welcome now! PS - Merry Christmas to all Orthodox!

[Retvizan 8]

At least tomorrow Putin will be in Turkey, the Turkish Stream will be commissioned.

[Proton]

Well, one good friend came to each other, to congratulate him with ng, to find out how things were going there, to sit, what was there

[eagle owl]

You know, guys, that’s what I’d like to hear here ... Hope was a day, don’t you know who?

Oh, and they rinsed well ... Basically, the znachita, here he got the maroon beret - he, bastard, beat us with batons. Well. men. Yes, for all those crooked-handed people, right now ... right there they beat me with batons No, there is the head of state ... Wipe the stick from jam!

[Kleber]

Separate operational division. Dzerzhinsky.

Only Dnyuha they have March 30.

[eagle owl]

RIA news, brother, I’m crawling along Sofrino ...
Yes, twice over the sea! From I, I read something)
https://ria.ru/20200104/1563111072.html
Those. not realized

[Kleber]

Chevron of the Sofrinsky Brigade (21st OBRON)

[andr327]

Oh and not calm now in the world: GDP in Syria. Shoigu and the NS of Iran say Mrs. Merkel is going to Moscow. Yes, in addition, Estonia does not want to ratify the state border contract. Still, the Yankees are definitely without a head - the difficulties themselves create by a mortgage they successfully transfer their overcoming to others (this is not in Russian).

[rocket757]

And is it WHEREOF estonia?

[kit88]

Munich Security Conference.

“This lady wants to ask a question ... It would be nice if you said who you are and who you represent”
- “Thank you, I am Kersti Kaljulaid, President of Estonia”

[rocket757]

Gained in the geyropu of level countries

Quote: kit88

This lady wants to ask a question ... It would be nice if you said who you are and who you represent

However, this is now their problem!

[Amateur]

Yes, in addition, Estonia does not want to ratify the state border contract.

So VVP went to consult first to Assad, then to Netanyahu, maybe to Erdogan about how to resolve the Estonian issue. And through Merkel to ask that the Chukhontsy do not really "roll a barrel" to Russia.

[Shahno]

Quote: SRC P-15

Putin in Syria is clearly not to congratulate all Orthodox Russians on Christmas. The case is clearly in Iran and Ir

But is it not on the way to Israel that Putin drove into Syria? In addition, he was going to visit the Palestinian Authority in January. True, he was going to do it in late January. But it looks like the situation in the Middle East has escalated to red and that is why Putin moved his voyage to an early date. I am sure that Russia will try to delay the start of hostilities between Iran and the United States.

Well, quite possibly. Middle Eastern voyage. The move is right, all the more it is not clear who will be in Jerusalem from the states ..

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: cherkas.oe

and grandfather God will forgive.

And for what?

Well, if he is not in the pantheon of saints of the Orthodox Church, then by any means, and if he is also a communist, then voluntarily or involuntarily, but there is.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: rocket757

And is it WHEREOF estonia?

In the ass at the zeuropa!

[Zeev Zeev]

Maybe your president will also drop by at the Suleymani’s funeral in Damascus? Anyway, tomorrow this case was postponed.

[Andrey VOV]

Close your mouth, you’ll catch a cold, as I used to say in my Soviet childhood in the area ... Although more often it’s drawbar, for the bazaar it’s left and not filtered ..... where you live in Israel, I’ll be there soon, we’ll meet, and on garlic, on fists ..... just sorry, I’m also for you Professor, because it’s not good to offend the old

[Zeev Zeev]

I live in Jerusalem.

[Thrifty]

Zeyevzeev, I won’t be surprised if you are secretly present from your Knesset at the funeral in Iran! So, everything is possible in the region now! !

[Zeev Zeev]

Why secretly? The leaders of the united Arab list there may be explicitly.

[carstorm 11]

what sadness is it for you?) even if we have few who will condemn him for it. watch your sandbox and we’re here somehow)

[Zeev Zeev]

I do not blame, and do not be surprised. I suggest.

[carstorm 11]

Well, thanks) he wants-flies. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Mityay65]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Maybe your president will also drop by at the Suleymani’s funeral in Damascus?

But this is an interesting option. And I would not consider it null probability.
Although, by analogy with the previous steps, this is not in his style. Yes, and early and pointless to indicate their position at this stage.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: andr327

Yes, in addition, Estonia does not want to ratify the state border contract.

In light of recent events, this is the lesser of evils.

[Retvizan 8]

The states awarded us with "Nord Stream", maybe now ours will come up with something in response so that life does not seem like honey to the Gegimons.
It's time for the presumptuous "Exceptional" to "land" a little, otherwise they have already got a lot of people with their lawlessness!

[Incomprehensible]

Let them try to attack our president, bastards. No wonder he flew there

[sergey2183]

All this is not good.

[RUS96]

Quote: Kleber

Putin in Syria is clearly not for that ...

[Retvizan 8]

In general, most likely, everything is serious, because at the same time as Putin, the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff arrived in Syria!
It seems ours are making it clear that if the United States starts "kneading", Russia will not remain on the sidelines.
That's just what role will play, it is still a question.

[eagle owl]

MOSCOW, Jan 7 - RIA News. Iranian general Kassem Suleimani was preparing assassination attempts against US diplomats and military personnel, said Robert O'Brien, US presidential adviser on national security.
"The information we had, and which we consider very weighty, indicated that Soleimani and those with whom he was in cahoots were preparing to kill a large number of American diplomats and soldiers in the coming days," he told Fox News ...

Hey, if this is an official, he said - there is no proof. And we killed a stranger in a foreign country. Well, they are. TRAVELER

[archiroll]

It also seems to me here - what kind of revenge will be for SP2 - nevertheless, a dispute between business entities ...

[samarin1969]

It is important for Trump to isolate Iran from potential allies. Usually, in politics, such eccentric "visits" mask unobvious goals. To destroy the Shiite crescent, you can promise Assad all kinds of nonsense through the lips of Putin.

[alexddd]

I don’t think so. If Assad eschews the conflict, and Iran calls for help, then the masks will fall with all the ensuing consequences - the army will remove Assad from Damascus together with our bases. Turkey will strengthen its influence. In Russia, it will be necessary to reformat the authorities in a hurry anyhow.

[samarin1969]

Quote: alexddd

I don’t think so. If Assad eschews the conflict, and Iran calls for help, then the masks will fall with all the ensuing consequences - the army will remove Assad from Damascus together with our bases. Turkey will strengthen its influence. In Russia, it will be necessary to reformat the authorities in a hurry anyhow.

But it looks like everything is going to this. Apart from Iran, this is acceptable to all Putin's "partners". From the forces of Assad himself, only the name of a principled politician remained. "Reformat" is already underway.

[alexddd]

While everything goes according to the General Security Concept of General Petrov .... And there we will see how they say in Odessa ...

[Klingon]

Quote: Shurik70

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Seriously? Or maybe from a military point of view, the Amers need to be dumped from all over the Middle East, otherwise Iran has missiles with a range of more than 2000 km, which means they can reach many American bases in the region from a military point of view. dead star-striped will be, but on the Patriot Air Defense there is NO hope.

A missile is expensive for 2000 km, and there are few of them.
And for 100 km you can zerg rush a crowd of cheap missiles to arrange
And not only missiles. On the same buggy attack of a dozen suicide bombers will destroy the airfield

why buggy? a couple of three Gradov to drive from different directions and will

[Finn]

Quote: cherkas.oe

It is possible to accept baptism at any age, there would be a desire, and God will forgive the grandfather. The choice is yours.

Baptism to accept. Why should he be baptized? Anyone who instructed you for this stupidity plus let me put the cons.

[Terenin]

Vladimir Putin arrived in Syria

Where Putin is, shooting is more expensive. Suicide mute ... Shcha, Israel will invite him to stay in the neighborhood. I suppose our president's "travel allowances" have now increased by BV to ...

[Igor Pushkino]

Well arrived and arrived: neither cold nor hot ...
Iran to support? In a better place ...

[Charik]

Really announce victory over Isis

[Guru]

The cortege of Vladimir Putin proceeded through the streets of Damascus, where he was warmly received by the locals.

Waiting for a video

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: maden.usmanow

From a military point of view

reach out to many American bases in the region

= Suicide for Iran

17 years is not enough?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Finn

Quote: cherkas.oe

It is possible to accept baptism at any age, there would be a desire, and God will forgive the grandfather. The choice is yours.

Baptism to accept. Why should he be baptized? Anyone who instructed you for this stupidity plus let me put the cons.

And all the Russian rulers went there

[Altai72]

And tomorrow to Turkey.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: oleg83

Quote: Retvizan 8

In general, most likely, everything is serious, because at the same time as Putin, the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff arrived in Syria!
It seems ours are making it clear that if the United States starts "kneading", Russia will not remain on the sidelines.
That's just what role will play, it is still a question.

Gathered things? Did you buy a ticket to Iran?

To declare war on Iran, it is the same to declare war on Russia.

[Karen]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

To declare war on Iran, it is the same to declare war on Russia.

I would be happy if this was true ... But I see that the Kremlin kibbutz has helped build the new Khazaria for decades ... I involuntarily doubt it ...

[Avior]

Putin flew to Istanbul to let the Turkish stream run, Russia said in the news

[sagitch]

Syrian President congratulated all Orthodox Russians on behalf of Vladimir Putin on Christmas

And for some reason, it is not generally accepted in our country that Muslims openly congratulate Christians, and vice versa. They are silent as if they typed water into their mouths, neither SMS nor congratulations.

[kit88]

The Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the superpower arrived in the area of ​​the emerging military conflict clearly not for the purpose of drinking tea with Assad in honor of the New Year holidays. Something serious is brewing there.

[Avior]

He has already left Syria
He is already in Istanbul

[vitvit123]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Yes, they do not judge God here, but the church.

I began to communicate with a person for priests (it was like talking about two priests), I didn’t want to say anything about God or the church (maybe it happened), I just wanted to say that priests are people and they can serve in different ways and there is no need to align everyone. .. do you disagree?

[Chs4t]

The cortege of Vladimir Putin proceeded through the streets of Damascus, where he was warmly received by the locals.

I would not risk (((, the rocket will not accidentally arrive, of course, the sky is under the air defense lock, but all the "enthusiastic locals" along the way of the motorcade cannot be physically crushed, and the east is a delicate matter, I would say "ISIL", you never know what a "sleeping cell" in Domask is waiting in the wings, just now everything was "spontaneous" and "suddenly".

[Radical]

Vladimir Putin arrived in Syria

He probably came to personally warn Assad from entering into a possible conflict with the United States on the side of Iran.

[Uran53]

Personally, my opinion is: this is a PR move, not more. He will not decide something global there anyway, but it’s worth promoting (from his point of view). You look and become a participant in the hostilities.

[depressant]

Most of Assad’s entourage, and he himself prefers ties with Iran, rather than with Russia. A kind of pro-Iranian party in the Syrian leadership. The basis of this connection was the murdered Suleymani. He is not there, the Iranians got a problem, they are unlikely to care about Syria now ... Well, there will be. But not to the extent that before. Or the connection will not be of the same quality as under Suleymani. It is beneficial for us, Putin triumphs, coming to the fore in relations with the Syrians. The base is important, the base. Stalin wanted a base in the Dardanelles. Then it didn’t work, and now the Turks are stirring up the strait, they are going to dig a canal. It is very good that we now have a base in the Mediterranean. But Asians, they are such, constantly now they will have to hug them and press them to their hearts. If only something similar to Turkish plans did not work out with Gibraltar.

[Muddy Seeing ORACLE]

I dimly see that ... The Iranians will shoot at the American base themselves, or in collusion with Iraq, the Americans will in return cover the Iranian capital with many consequences, well, there China and Russia will decide to help the brothers in arms ...

Well, there, the whole world is in ruins and further according to the scenario ...

[Finn]

That's bad. Probably sick, there’s not much time left to live.

[Ural resident]

The point here is that Assad has very few of his troops, without Iranian help in the form of fighters, he would not have cleared most of Syria. if a mess begins with Iran, there will be no one to help. Perhaps Putin coordinated actions in such a situation. They discussed who in this case would fight instead of the Iranians.

[Rostislav Bely]

The process has begun - two waves of Iran’s attacks on targets in Iraq ...
The US military in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor against the backdrop of Iran’s attacks on US bases in Iraq are in high alert and moving to a military base near the border with Iraq, the Syrian state television channel Syria TV reports.

[Rostislav Bely]

The IRGC states that any state that provides its territory as a springboard for attacks against Iran will be the target for a retaliatory strike

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Uran53

Personally, my opinion is: this is a PR move, not more. He will not decide something global there anyway, but it’s worth promoting (from his point of view). You look and become a participant in the hostilities.

To be promoted?

[vitvit123]

Quote: dvina71

Let's recap. First ... God has nothing to do with it .. The Russian Orthodox Church has absolutely nothing to do with it. This is just a business on the feelings .. or the errors of people. Moreover, the business is profitable ... there are no taxes, even from the state there are no buns ... in the form of real estate, you can claim it. Moreover, all social programs ... with homeless people, people with disabilities, treatment are decided either on state money or people collect it. The ROC stupidly stuffs moshna .. spitting on everything that can not bring them income.

well let's summarize..
1. business on feelings is definitely somewhere, but somewhere it is not, I’m trying to tell you that not everything is clear, it happens both ways..

So .. I’m talking about the church in with. Bukhalovo .. People there upholstered all the rapids in the regional representative office of the Russian Orthodox Church .. asked to help restore the church. As a result, they restored it for their money .. here and everything you need to know about the modern Russian Orthodox Church.
2. this does not prove anything.. I will come and ask to build a church in my village and that the regional representative office is obliged to immediately build a church in my village? just tell me are you obligated or not obligated?
And I do not deny the presence of worthy people in this system ... but for some reason all of them are at the grassroots level ... they live in exile ..

3. I’m always afraid to speak for everyone, because... the probability of making a mistake is high..

[vitvit123]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: vitvit123

Well, if you're right, can you try to explain to me how the church can exist outside of finance?

Donations and price are two different things.

is this your answer? this is not an explanation...

[Udav kaa]

Well, I hope I didn’t just fly away (I took a lot of risks)..
As VVP said, “It’s better to help your neighbor put out a fire than to rebuild the whole village later..”
And the world’s arsonists have long been known to everyone..