New BDKs of the second series of project 11711 will receive a more powerful power plant

The third and fourth Ivan Gren type BDKs of the improved project 11711, currently under construction at the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant, will receive a new power plant of four 16D49 diesel engines. This was reported by Mil.Press FlotProm with reference to two informed sources, industry and naval.

According to reports, the BDK "Vladimir Andreev" and "Vasily Trushin" will receive a more powerful power plant compared to the first ships of this series. This decision was made due to the increase in the dimensions of the ships under construction.

The development of the diesel power plant is completed. The choice of more powerful diesels 16D49 is a reliable solution that will ensure good driving performance of the "paratroopers"

- the agency cites the words of one of the sources.

The second interlocutor confirmed the information on choosing a more powerful power plant for the new BDK and added that the Russian Navy had accumulated sufficient positive experience in operating these engines, and their serial production was established.

GEM BDK project 11711 of the first series includes diesel engines 10D49. Two 16D49 diesel engines (power of one engine - 6000 hp) are used on project 20380 corvettes, together with a reverse gear unit they are included in the DDA12000 diesel-diesel unit, designed to work on a fixed-pitch propeller. The ES of these ships includes two such DDAs.

The third and fourth BDKs increased to 6-7 thousand tons of the project 11711 displacement laid on April 23, 2019. Their construction is being carried out at the Baltic shipyard Yantar under a modified design. It is assumed that each BDK will be able to carry four Ka-52K or Ka-29 helicopters.

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[svp67]

But they know how to confuse everything well with us, the index is one, but the ships are different ...

[mvg]

But hasn't it always been like this? Projects 1143, 1164, 1144, 1155 all ships are different in series. Added tsifrovki .. on tonnage, weapons, power plants, etc. Yes, and other projects.

[svp67]

Quote: mvg

Projects 1143, 1164, 1144, 1155 all ships are different in series. Added tsifrovki .. on tonnage, weapons, power plants, etc. Yes, and other projects.

Well, they didn’t even do that.

[mvg]

1164, 1144, 1155 numbers were not added, and weapons are different. Only Chabanenko added one. Well, 1143 is so different that there are 1143 .5 for example, and Ulyanovsk in general with nuclear power and a catapult, and 1143.8

[Serg65]

Quote: mvg

Projects 1143, 1164, 1144, 1155 all ships are different in series

And what is the difference between 1164?

[mvg]

Basalt, Volcano, the "circumcised" Volcano, with a start-up from Basalt. Something like this .. In the sense of the Civil Code.

[Serg65]

Quote: mvg

In the sense of the Civil Code.

The difference in the series GK, but not the carrier .. is not it? Especially after the modernization of the Glory-Moscow GC became the same.

[mvg]

They didn’t, raised the topic. Moscow without the Civil Code. And she is not in service. I don’t know where the P-1000s will be taken, missiles 35+ years old. Unnecessary modernization. There is no air defense, the S-300P “Fort” is not subject to modernization, it is only a replacement, and in that role, it does not even catch Axes by EPR. It will cost like Nakhimov.

[Serg65]

Quote: mvg

Moscow without GK

I am about the modernization of 1991-1996!

Quote: mvg

Unnecessary modernization

I also see no point in modern modernization, but the conversation was about the identity of the project! In addition to the GC (and then only the head "Glory") Atlanta, how else are they different?

[novel66]

painting !!! big ones!

[Serg65]

Quote: novel xnumx

painting !!!

That’s even a guy from the flight squad, but I’ve definitely caught the essence !!!
You are right Romych! The color of ball paint on all three Atlantes was different!
Great !!!

[Grits]

Quote: Serg65

The color of ball paint on all three Atlantes was different!

Damn! I would never have guessed. I generally believed that all of our ships paint the same ball.

[Sailor]

And what changes in pr.1164, in my opinion all three from the moment of launching were the same.

[mvg]

changes in pr.1164, in my opinion all three from the moment of descent

P-500, P-1000, P-1000 with another starter from the P-500, since the PUs are made from a different alloy. And Moscow now generally has no GK. At least there are photos with open PUs on the network.

[Serg65]

Quote: mvg

At least there are photos with open PUs on the network.

Maxim .... this is not an indicator of the lack of BC !!!! Glory even at the dawn of foggy youth often stood without BC and BC loaded either before the exercises with firing, or in front of the BS!

[mvg]

often without BC

Missiles have terms, they are not produced, in my opinion, 83 years. What, will be 35+ years. I say this. there are starters from Basalt, still older. PU Moscow can not withstand the P-1000, constructively. Something like this, theoretically they flew not at 1000 km, but at 700.
Article to raise? When Moscow was sent for modernization, it raised this issue with both the Civil Defense and the Air Defense. And to remake inclined PUs on Onyxes, like nonsense. They seem to have a vertical start.
P.S. You can ask Bongo for Fort, Timokhin had an article for PU. Although from 949A the P-700 was recently fired with Granite, it’s real, if modernized, it’s about 10 years, and, again, neither air defense nor missiles. What should a cruiser go to the database with? Again invest 80 billion? With this money, 5 units of 22380 can be built, with a service life of 30 years and a large ammunition load.

[Serg65]

Quote: mvg

on PU Timokhin had an article.

Wow, how long has Timokhin become an expert who can be referenced in such matters?

Quote: mvg

PU Moscow can not withstand the P-1000, constructively.

But at the same time, since 1997, Moscow has fired these very Volcanoes, a paradox, isn’t it? By the way, like Varyag ... although 700 km in the absence of a designator is redundant!

Quote: mvg

With this money, 5 units of 22380 can be built, with a service life of 30 years and a large ammunition load.

And here I completely agree with you!

[mvg]

Timokhin became an expert

Sergey, really, the rockets are old. Shot with older starting boosters. Timokhin raised the topic of inclined pu. Please note that 1155 is now also being upgraded to vertical 3S-14E launchers, although there are also inclined options from 15-90 degrees. Why's that? So there are some shoals.
There are 1234.7 with inclined launchers SM-403, why cut a hole in the ship?
PS: 5 corvettes of 18 billion rubles, 22380 or 22385 will replace Moscow. With trimmed, but quite capable Polement. And Moscow, as a training ship. I don’t know how much they swelled into Varyag.

[Serg65]

Quote: mvg

Sergey, really, the rockets are old

I don’t argue with that!

Quote: mvg

Shot with older starting boosters

But they shot! And a good shot!

Quote: mvg

Timokhin raised the topic of inclined pu.

This topic appeared even when Timokhin only went to first grade!

Quote: mvg

Please note that 1155 is now also being upgraded to vertical 3S-14E launchers, although there are also inclined options from 15-90 degrees.

Maxim, and you don’t tell me how many cells can be placed in a vertical control room and how many in a slant with the same allocated area?

Quote: mvg

I don’t know how much they swelled into Varyag.

The Varangian has not been modernized; he has been walking with Vulcan since birth!

[mvg]

how many cells can be placed in a vertical control room and how many in a slant with the same allocated area?

16 launchers of 3 Onyx, instead of Volcano., Following the example of 1144 reasoning, instead of P-700 Granite, while not cutting anything. You can’t just stick anything without sacrificing anything. With 1155 they remove the second AK-130 for 3C-14. And what a titanic work? !!! They have 1 launcher, 8 missiles. In the inclined pu Uranus put.
Ustinov went through modernization several years ago. Then to the north, electronics, GEM. The Varangian should get up after Nakhimov. They promise this year, but I don’t believe it.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: mvg

With 1155 they remove the second AK-130 for 3C-14. And what a titanic work? !!! They have 1 launcher, 8 missiles.

Maksim There will be 2 launchers, 16 gauges. The entire superstructure under the 2nd turret of the main crew to the upper deck under the navigation bridge was cut off and the podium was mounted under the modules of universal UVP missiles of the Caliber family.

Link to YouTube:
[media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = NUvil73pBk4 & feature = youtu.be]

[mvg]

There will be 2 launchers, 16 missiles

I saw a photo, half the ship was taken apart. But then again, 1155 without air defense. In the 1989 exercises, all air targets were shot down by 956. Or 11 out of 12. Everything was not human.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In the air defense part, it seems that there will also be minor changes. It looks like the Thor air defense system.

[bayard]

If the UKKS were not hidden deep into the hull, but the podium was built, then, in principle, it is possible to put three UKKS in the same way as on the newly laid 22350+.
Case dimensions allow.
Or, in this case, the closing angles for the launch of "Uranus" from inclined launchers will turn out?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

As I understand it, only two UKKS got into it.

[bayard]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

As I understand it, only two UKKS got into it.

If you compare, then 22350 and smaller, and will be narrower, but 3 UKSK shoved. And inside the case. Therefore, I think that in other modernized 1155s, if the UKSK with a podium really does not block the start of the X-35 from inclined launchers, 3 UKSKs may well fit, like 22350+. In this case, their ammunition load would be more harmonious, having in the standard version 8 missile-torpedo submarines, 8 Onyx or Zircon anti-ship missiles and 8 Caliber \ Caliber-M missile launchers for work on stationary targets ... and 8 X-35 short-medium anti-ship missiles.
Even with a short-range air defense system such a ship would look quite harmonious ... given its anti-submarine capabilities.
What do you think ?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In this case, I am also happy with 2 UKSK, in any case they are put with gaps between themselves. Moreover, there was a company of officers under the 2nd tower of the main cabin. More interested in the issue of modernization of "Admiral Chabanenko". I suppose he will receive something similar in this repair, it seems to me (I do not claim). But his AK-130 is moved closer to the bridge than the first AK-100 turret in the base 1155. And this is logical, given its mass. Therefore, there are fewer possibilities for placing the 3C14. No matter how much more voluminous hull work is drawn.

[bayard]

Judging by the photograph, there should be enough space there, and since there are no inclined launchers there, you can easily place 3 UKKS ... even if you want, 4 can be placed there - transversely in line, but the aging ship should not be overloaded.
If memory serves, there was at the end of the USSR a project for the modernization of the BOD with the installation of a UVP not only in the place of the 2nd tower (which was asked of itself), but also in the aft side, from the rear section of the hangar to the stern. Under the missiles "Granat" and "Onyx". I remember them there from 32 to 48 pieces. (along with those on the site of the 2nd tower). And the X-35 was planned not 8, but 16 pieces.

[mvg]

Air defense looks like there will be minor changes too. It looks like the Thor air defense system.

let's estimate, a ship with a tonnage of 8000 tons, it has 16 cells, and 8 anti-ship missiles of 260 km and short-range air defense. plus the old "frigate" and the hack 20 years ago.
Burke has 96 cells, Aegis and SM-3, satellites can be shot down, plus the Phalanx, tonnage 10000 tons. plus SM-2 at 460 km.
054D, 8500 tons, HQ9B, at 250 km and, almost an analogue of the Aegis. And, also, there are 80 universal cells. And an analogue of the Goalkeeper. I understand, better than nothing, but ugly.
This is in brief.
And the ship must be shoveled thoroughly. Not only did they pull out the tower with the cellar, this is new electronics, embed UVPU, as you say Tor, and new wiring. How much does such an upgrade cost? Its combat value? Very doubtful.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: mvg

How much does such an upgrade cost? Its combat value? Very doubtful.

There is no alternative to this upgrade. After him, a large project 1155 anti-submarine ship is reclassified to frigate. Therefore, the comparison with the destroyer type "Arly Burke" is incorrect.
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[timokhin-aa]

An alternative was to shut down standard KT-100s by several degrees, dismantle the covers from them, install a pair of Caliber TPKs in the place of each PLUR, dismantle the microclimate system in the control room, install covers with stampings under the Calibration TPK, update the CIU.

Total - the same result at a price less than about once every eight and with a deadline of one year of force, except for repairs.

Bonus - saving the second gun mount.

[Grits]

Is it really impossible or too daunting to place Onyx or Caliber PUs instead of Volcanoes / Granites? Or do they have to be vertical? Then, so that the ship does not disappear, at worst - Uranus.

[timokhin-aa]

This topic appeared even when Timokhin only went to first grade!

Here it is an inferiority complex - at least somehow, to offend a more intelligent person.

In fact, of course, this is not so. This topic was raised from the beginning to the middle of the two thousandths. But she died in the bowels of the Ministry of Defense, because the State Defense Department support department could not cut money on cheap upgrades and therefore sabotaged all such work in general, and it was deeply purple for the Glavkomat that there were services for the ships and he did not press. Well, then there was the Serdyukov reform, and the infantry became unhealthy to influence shipbuilding issues.

Well, as usual, you are passing by with your valuable opinion.

[Serg65]

Quote: Serg65

This topic appeared even when Timokhin only went to first grade!

Quote: timokhin-aa

In fact, of course, this is not so.

Certainly not so . The volcano was put into service in 1987, and you Alexander, in 1987 how old was?
In 1989, the RRC "Chervona Ukrvina" was included in the stand, already with the Volcanoes in service. Can you imagine? Or do you think that the 87th year of the last century naval slow-witted did not even think about heat-resistant PU ????

Quote: timokhin-aa

You, as usual, pass by with your valuable opinion.

Well, please your pride .... I allow
Happy Holidays Alexander

[timokhin-aa]

So you can rewind until the first P-15, they also started in a slope.

And to write that the topic was raised when Timokhin was not at all.

But it was about other missiles on other ships,

Timokhin raised the topic of inclined pu. Please note that 1155 is now also being upgraded to vertical launchers 3C-14E, although there are also inclined options from 15-90 degrees. Why's that? So there are some shoals.
There are 1234.7 with inclined launchers SM-403, why cut a hole in the ship?

And Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!

[Serg65]

Quote: timokhin-aa

it was about other missiles on other ships

Quote: mvg

Missiles have terms, they are not produced, in my opinion, 83 years. What, will be 35+ years. I say this. there are starters from Basalt, still older. PU Moscow can not withstand the P-1000, constructively. Something like this, theoretically they flew not at 1000 km, but at 700.
P.S. For Fort, you can ask Bongo, on PU Timokhin had an article.

It was originally about the difference in the Atlant project. , but your friend Maxim for some reason turned the arrows to the difference between the BC of these cruisers .... ???? Alexander, in my highlighted speech from Maxim, what missiles are we talking about ???
The most interesting thing is that you and Maxim jump from topic to topic ......... this of course makes you forget what the conversation was originally about .... but not in my case

[timokhin-aa]

although there are inclined options from 15-90 degrees

They are not what they are ... work at the stage of "paper" design was stopped, no one was interested in such installations.

And until the metal worked only the inclined PU "Onyx", but the Indians use these developments.

[Astra wild]

Serge, where is the best naval expert to find? I agree that Timokhin or Roman are not child prodigies, but I do not see others

[Serg65]

Quote: Astra wild

I agree that Timokhin or Roman are not child prodigies, but I do not see others

And you will not see, out of place they are now in IN! Diverge, you see, their opinion with the opinion of the editors of the site!

[Astra wild]

So there will be other authors, we’ll see better or worse, otherwise they will be complete in the editorial staff of the site. The site owners are interested in us and why do we need a boring site?

[timokhin-aa]

The opinion of the editors of the site systematically diverges, for example, with my opinion, but I'm here. For all the time admins demolished only one of my article.

Klimov was asked to exit under pressure from the Ministry of Defense. Well, everything seems to be.

But who do you mean, interesting?

[Astra wild]

I just answered Serge that the site will not remain without authors. Otherwise, the site owners want to go bankrupt, but who will wish for this?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Klimov was asked to exit under pressure from the Ministry of Defense.

Who is voicing this ??? especially if it's true !! in principle, you, too, after voiced should be asked to exit !!

[timokhin-aa]

Klimov in the last article jabbed a finger at specific people. She had to be removed from VO, and Klimov himself will not be published here after that. I avoid such acute moments and do not create a danger to VO. And so they complain about me too, they let me read

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: timokhin-aa

I avoid such sharp moments

something is not noticeable ... voiced on the whole site that here the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation runs !!! another thing is that it can be your exaggeration, to say the least !!!

[timokhin-aa]

Klimov posted an article for which VO could slap a lawsuit and slap it.
She was deleted, the site posted a refutation, Klimov was told that they would not publish it again.
This is the only case I know of cutting an author with VO.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Astra wild

Serge, where is the best naval expert to find?

if you really mean an expert who owns all the info in real time and as of now, then such, most likely, "walks on the neck" !!

[Astra wild]

Maybe: "under the bar" is correct

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Astra wild

Maybe: "under the bar" is correct

maybe so!!!
PS ... originally it was meant to be !!

[venik]

Quote: svp67

But they know how to confuse everything well with us, the index is one, but the ships are different ...

========
Yes, they are, as it were, not completely different .... Although the project number could have changed! Oh well - let the enemies get confused !!!

[Uran53]

And will the industry handle the timely supply of diesel engines for various projects?

[alexmach]

Well, as it were, minus 2 corvettes if you believe the same Alexander Timokhin.

[timokhin-aa]

In fact, yes, but the fact is that they do not lay new 20380 and do not seem to plan it. The admiral’s statement from the Pacific Fleet does not yet have any confirmation.
So these GEMs will be made in the "Corvette" two years for a set.
If only the ships went normally with them, the measurements there are not Corvette, and 8000 tons, whatever one may say.

[alexmach]

In fact, perhaps building at least something on a proven engine is better than not building anything at all.

[timokhin-aa]

Well, yes, I have to rejoice in this.

At one time, I underestimated the guys from the Navy and clapped my hands to these new "super-Grens", I even wrote an article of praise.
But then one comrade from Moscow enlightened me, so to speak.

Briefly - the price is "like a corvette", firstly, and secondly, at the time of the laying it was not yet clear what the power plant would be, as a result, the power plant from the corvette was put into a healthy and heavy ship. It may be normal, or it may not.

Plus, they’re really going to customize the 8000 ton aircraft carrier.

This is generally beyond the line of good and evil. And the camera dock for the DKVP is not there, two "Chamois" and that's it.

In general, our usual tin. But on the other hand, even if they build it, yes.

[donavi49]

Well, let's see the timing. In Italy, Trieste is already making a dash. Steel cutting began on July 12, 2017. 33000t (5 upgraded Grains). Partial electric ship (5,5mW generation, electric motors with a damped power plant - 8 knots).

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, let's see the timing.

What do you compare, the work of an already debugged enterprise, with the fact that, in fact, Russia is reviving its shipbuilding industry from the ashes of the 90s, which was also hindered by the rupture of technological ties with Ukraine.

It is necessary to rejoice at every tab of the ship, and not chew snot, which is being built faster in China and Italy.

Our design bureaus and shipbuilders will fill their hands, and we will build ships like a hot cakes oven.

[Astronaut]

I fully support, but criticism of the fact that the wrong numbers look ridiculous

[donavi49]

There is a year 2189 - a super-super-super Gren in 8950t was launched. In just 9 years! Well, what do you want - the 90s ...

According to Trieste:
The main supplier of radar and electronics is Leonardo. In the 90s, physical enterprises were in bankruptcy. I had to inject money and saw Finmeccanica - in the end, Leonardo only got to 2007 year.

Fincantieri in Castelomar is initially generally a sailing shipyard. Then she made all sorts of cruise ferries for the Mediterranean. In the end 80s caught the crisis. FROM 80 to 98, not a single ship was launched above 6000 tons. We survived on various special orders like this sea tram back there:

It is all the same if Amber began to make Grachat and Raptor. And the norms in the late 90s were bought by Fincantieri. Rebuilt production. And it seems that LIFE has been adjusted - from 2002 to 2009 they produced 1-2 such cruisers.

But then the financial crisis and a complete ass. From 2009 to 2011 - the plant stood. In 11, they received an order for a completely passing ship and handed it over in 2014.

From 2014 to 2017 - spinning as best they could, firing people until the unions rebelled. Engaged in ship repair, contracting and other things. And will you still appeal to the heavy 90m ??? When the shipyard that built Trieste on bread and water sits right now.

[Astra wild]

Donavi, if I understand you correctly, you have to wait until Amber goes bankrupt and Finkatieri buys them?

[donavi49]

Well, that’s how the company has difficult years right now. Finkatieri throws them orders. But after Trieste there will again be bread and water for the enterprise. That is, so as not to die completely.

Since the 90s has passed 20 years. This is no longer an appeal. In China, during this time, new shipbuilding industries were shipped off and launched at a pace greater than the entire shipbuilding industry in Russia, the same Shanghai superyards .

And yes, for example, the grandfather of the project, to replace which Gren originally did:
Saratov (lead in the Series) - 05.02.1964/18.08.1966/20, delivery on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. Less than XNUMX years have passed since the battles at this Shipyard. When it was actually smashed completely.

Well, Orsk who received a heart attack in 51 - 30.08.1967/31.12.1968/XNUMX and surrender on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX

Why then did not appeal to the military 40?

[Liam]

Quote: donavi49

In the late 80s caught the crisis. From 80 to 98, not a single ship was launched above 6000 tons.

Learn better materiel. For example:
Numero IMO 9009504
Nome dell'imbarcazione REPUBBLICA DI ROMA
Tipo di imbarcasione Ro-Ro Cargo Ship
Bandiera Italy
porto base
GT 42001
DWT(t) 19287
Lunghezza complessiva (m) 216
Larghezza massima (m) 30
Pescaggio (m)
Year of construction 1992

Quote: donavi49

Fincantieri in Castelomar is initially generally a sailing shipyard. Then she made all sorts of cruise ferries for the Mediterranean

Take an interest in what shipyards did the 60/70th Classe Alcione corvettes, the Classe Bergamini frigates, the cruiser Caio Duilio e Vittorio Veneto.

Quote: donavi49

in the late 90s they were bought by Fincantieri.

Actually bought in 1984
Your report is full of inaccurate information.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

There is a year 2189 - a super-super-super Gren in 8950t was launched. In just 9 years!

And will you still appeal to the heavy 90m ???

Firstly, do not exaggerate, and secondly, you are not to confuse the economic crisis in Italy, with the collapse of the country and industry in Russia in the 90s !!!

Russia has just started building ships. The largest of which are frigates of Project 22350 and BDK of the "Ivan Gren" type, 5000 tons each, and these are military orders, where the Ministry of Defense asks for every extra penny.

But the Italian shipyard survived bankruptcy (writing off debts) and then built cruise ships in several pieces, that is, they had both capacities and modern equipment and well-established cooperation with other enterprises.

[Liam]

Quote: donavi49

When the shipyard that built Trieste on bread and water sits right now.

Evento importante al cantiere navale di Castellammare di Stabia - Magazine ...
14 feb 2019Questa mattina si è tenuto nel cantiere navale di Castellammare di Stabia il taglio della prima lamiera della
Cutting the first metal for the 6th in the Royal cruise ship series for Princess Cruises, owner of the Carnival Corporation brand.
175.000 tons of vessel

[Arthur 85]

Interestingly, and how many of such "Grimaldi Lines" would fit the UVP ..?

[Thrifty]

The main question in time is that, as is customary with us, the deadlines are not always transferred to the right.

[Astra wild]

Author, you have 2 minuses from the "mourners": our Navy is living out its last days and everything is gone forever, and you disappoint. And how many minuses from Beggar and K., after all, they were sure that without their GTU our fleet would not lick out of the priests. They knew very well that they were engaged in "cannibalism" to maintain the combat readiness of the ships. My friend's husband: cap2, a mechanical engineer, and he said: there are 2 good ships, but one had to be used for "organs". Not enough engines.
Ukrainian specialists are better than most of us, they know the capabilities of our shipbuilders and consoled the Beggar and his friends: the sworn Muscovites do not have engines for their ships, which means that in a few months their fleet will be "idle". And here is your article. I'm afraid somebody will need medicine

[Demagogue]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Klimov posted an article for which VO could slap a lawsuit and slap it.
She was deleted, the site posted a refutation, Klimov was told that they would not publish it again.
This is the only case I know of cutting an author with VO.

All this is in vain. A war with officials from mo is pointless. Our fleet is a headless horseman. Well, even normal ships will do it, so they will not apply correctly later. There is no idea about the methods of conducting modern warfare. We are building nuclear submarines for 1.5 billion non-rubles, and there are no interference systems and anti-aircraft missiles, normal torpedoes to them. This reminds me of Spain before the war of 1898. There is a good cruiser, but they didn’t make guns of the main caliber for it, and instead of them they stuck logs. So far it’s alright. But there, at least the command staff was sensible, that the truth did not help them. And our business is completely rotten. We must invest in aviation, only hope for it, if it happens at sea.