Generation of the millennium against businessmen of the 90s: the battle to victory


This is their honor and place. "Dinosaurs" of the 90s are doomed to extinction


“You can immediately see a person from an early time! There are already no such people and will soon be gone! ”
The Golden Calf, 1931 I. Ilf and E. Petrov


Generational problems. Not so long ago, the material “Professions of the Future.” Appeared on the VO website. What to teach new generations? ”, Which, upon reading, turned out to be an excellent continuation of previously published materials on the problem of generations. In any case, it should be borne in mind that the conflict between generations of young, rapidly reconstructing people, and generations of people of age who are physically physically incapable of this, will not only not be smoothed out under the new conditions, but will escalate even more.

Actually, we are already observing this, and this is especially evident in business examples! It just so happened that, having studied more than one generation of advertisers and PR managers since 1995, I am constantly aware of the problems of many of them. At the meeting, they tell me how they settled down in life, and someone else invites as a consultant. Therefore, what, who, how and why, I know very well and it is so interesting that you should tell about it, because the fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows.

Somewhere in the very center of Russia ...


There is a city in our Russia, not very large, but not small, not a millionaire, but with a population of more than 500000 people, a provincial center, but the province itself without special resources, except for labor. Large plants, where 40000 worked each, were liquidated, except for a few, but they are already not so large and there are much less workers there.

But, despite this, a lot of housing is being built in the city, the “candles” are growing one after another, there are a lot of real estate offices, about 80 advertising agencies and all, in general, there are enough incomes.

Planning and timing are fashionable, but not always effective!


But here are the business problems of this city. There was a large advertising agency in it, which everyone knew and respected. Creative young people worked in it, but the leadership was in years. And so his leaders decided to "get a heel", went to Moscow and there they were taught "timing" (accounting of employees' working hours), "planning" (weekly planning of working hours and labor costs) and much more, which increases labor productivity and incomes of company owners . And if earlier their designer came to work at 11.00 in the morning, and then worked at home until 11.00 in the evening, now he was obliged to come at exactly 9.00 and leave at 17.00, and even fill out a work time register.

What happened next, you can not write. First, the designer quit, then the advertiser, then ... then ... Then there were only leaders and three-year-olds graduating from the local university, who, apart from “planning,” were given nothing at all. And today no one knows about this company, but she lives with handouts of the regional administration. It is simply amazing how incomprehensible such a simple truth is to people that one must put up with the quirks of talented young people. Yes, one in his ear had a nut and a tattoo on his throat, and he was advised to have a “dress code” - a sweater to the ears, and remove the nut. Well, he "cleaned up" with the nut!

“Our people, let's get counted!”


Another company sells stocks: buttons, braid, ribbons of all sorts. It seems to be a trifle, but without it nowhere. And it turned out that its owner decided to increase the profitability of his enterprise by increasing the volume of sales and turned to a recruiting agency to find sensible "sales people" for him. And just two he was immediately found. They needed work near the house: one had a sick mother, and the other a child. They arrived, but there is no computer on the table at the head of the company, a retired military man. All managers come to the planning meeting with ... a notebook and write down his instructions in it, and emphasize the important in red ... Well, that’s okay, but where would you think he sent them? To the warehouse! “You need to start from scratch, that's how I started!” They told him: “We don’t care what to sell, machines or stock, the difference is small. You know one thing - we are different! ”He told them:“ I stood in the market in the 90s, I made a company with my own hands, and you will tell me ?! It hurts young! ”They said to him:“ But now is not the 90s, everything has changed ... ”And then it turned out that the company was based on a godless overpricing of retail prices. A set of buttons is bought in bulk at 9.50, and sold at 90 rubles !!! Salesmen from his co-workers work like this: they offer wholesale buyers a 50% discount when buying goods per 100000, but for that ... 10000 “for their work”. And it is clear that everyone agrees. But how, what methods can be used to increase sales with such a system? These guys saw what’s going on here, and they left that very day. But the "sales people" from God. In winter they can profitably trade in snow!

Style Guide ...


As it turned out, there are many small companies in that glorious city that sew outer clothing: coats, jackets. And one retired colonel also leads one, and he also does not have a computer on his desk. The company is slowly dying. There were 80 seamstresses, now 30. The styles are all “women’s”, but, however, they sell well in Uzbekistan. Hired an experienced "saleswoman" and a fashion designer. And good fashion designers are now in price, the minimum salary is 90000, and so is even higher. They began to lead the company out of failure. And the boss is just ... yelling! Yelling, as if on a parade ground ... "Mother, mother, mother!" Well, both of them immediately quit. We, they say, always earn that kind of money, even in the midst of “clear fields”, but we won’t listen to this “op”, why do we need this.

Success is evident: in Russia it is cheaper to sew than in China!


Another company sews jackets. Variety. From “pilots” to sports. The owner is younger, therefore advanced and even very. There is a computer on the table, communicates with employees through it, and it seems that the working conditions are good. The salaries of seamstresses are 50000 and higher, at “salesmen” the level is 30000 minimum, and higher is unlimited,% of sales is issued. But ... again, a man became obsessed with "planning" and "timing". Anyone who has done what requires a daily written report. I installed video cameras and microphones throughout the entire production and manager’s offices. Monitoring of all employees is ongoing. Then the time of going to the “smoking room” and to the toilet is deducted and not paid. Talking on abstract topics is prohibited. And people are people. Especially women. They "try to" about children, about husbands - this is the "that." It is important what income they bring. But it is precisely with this that the company has problems. The fact is that it is one thing to sell finished products, and another to produce it. For example, the company sews jackets made of Chinese fabric for Germany and the United States. This is how it turns out that it is cheaper to sew jackets of famous brands now than in China. But ... the materials are new, and the approaches are old. Sewed jackets to order from the United States. And what flags were found on the sleeve? Of course, Russian! Well, did not have time to send. But a penalty of half a million still had to be paid. And then they sent it, but it turned out that the zippers were sewn upside down. Another half a million, and even the cost of transportation across the ocean. And how can the same “salesman" make money here? It is not his duty to check how and where what is sewn. He has the task of “raising objections” and promoting the goods.

One company builds houses and sells apartments in them. And for some time she was "on horseback." Because in the 90s she got a brick factory for nothing and the brick they had had their own. They took 5% for real estate services, but time passed, many competitors appeared, and competitors began to take 3%. And people began to ask, “What’s yours for 5, when everything is the same for others for 3?” And they stopped talking to them. Which is logical. It must be reduced, but ... the leadership does not want to. He doesn’t want to put new equipment at the factory, where everything is like in the “good old time”. And then there was competition, the plant did not fulfill the plan by 80%, and ... the first thing the company left was its chief IT specialist with a salary of 100000 p., And then the rest of the advanced ones ran wherever and there ... just a stubborn management.

What is good for the Japanese is not good for our Russian!


And even in the same company with video cameras and microphones at the toilets, its owner neither smokes, nor drinks, and does not give others. And again, that’s good. But when not too much. Because, again ... in Japan, people are one, with one culture, and ours are different. But if someone, for example, doesn’t like gays, but you come across a talented gay designer or gay marketing genius, you have to put up with it because money doesn’t smell.

The upshot was that all advanced young people, including those who expertly traded on the same WildBerries, where young people today buy not only clothes and shoes, but even lotions and shaving foam, quit. And due to what everything is holding on? And due to huge margins and ... underpayments to workers. “Gray salaries” are practiced, vacations are not paid, and all this just covers incompetence and unprofessionalism. Promising young people complain: “Well, does he / she not understand that a person cannot understand everything! Why does the owner of the company stop me from earning him the same money just because he does not know what SEO advertising is. Why does he / she not want to see markets dying, that youth does not go there, but makes all purchases via the Internet. And they keep tents there, pay salaries to sellers, and they don’t even pay for themselves! Well, you can’t manage it yourself, innovations pass by, well ... create a board of directors, instruct him to manage your company, and travel yourself, eat fish, and let the audit company monitor expenses and incomes. So no - the toad is strangling, but in the end no one wants to work for such “businessmen,” and they go bankrupt one after another.

All over the Internet! Both business and shampoo ...


I know one girl-advertiser, who quite successfully worked in advertising companies in Moscow, and ... But in the end she returned to her native land and is now sitting at home with her husband for a couple. Work only through the Internet. They make custom-made projects for the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Georgia, the same Moscow, and then they go to Europe, Paris, Nice for the received fee, and live there for six months, and there, by the way, they again earn money and go somewhere to another place, now skiing. And everyone orders over the Internet. It is clear that everyone can’t do this, but the fact that many of our businessmen are “well stupid” or, let's say, very one-sided is undoubted. And the confrontation between them and the millennium generation is today!

PS The author warns that all possible coincidences with reality are completely random and unintentional.
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  1. GKS 2111 26 January 2020 05: 53 New
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    colles quasi .. In my opinion, the conflict between generations lies in the habit of older people to look down on the younger generation and in the desire of the younger ones to assert themselves. The only fault of our “fathers” is that they remember us as small and helpless. This is what Christopher Morley says: “We are not lucky with children - adults always grow out of them.” In order for us to understand that our children have already grown up, we need to have internal flexibility, but not everyone can boast of it. The fault of the “children” in the generational conflict lies in their desire to throw the “fathers” off the pedestal and take this place themselves, often without even realizing how difficult it is to be on it. There is such an anecdote about this: "In kindergarten I wanted to become an adult, and now I have become an adult and I want to go to kindergarten."
    1. apro 26 January 2020 06: 35 New
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      Quote: GKS 2111
      colles quasi .. In my opinion, the conflict between generations lies in the habit of the older ones to look down on the younger generation and in the desire of the younger ones to assert themselves

      I do not agree somewhat. Today, before a new generation, completely different problems of survival than before previous generations. The way of life is changing rapidly. Tasks are becoming more complicated. The skills of previous generations are not in demand.
      1. rich 26 January 2020 07: 06 New
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        Today, before the new generation, completely different problems. The way of life is changing rapidly.

        But all this does not at all deny the mutually intelligible dialogue of generations. wink
    2. qQQQ 26 January 2020 08: 36 New
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      Quote: GKS 2111
      The fault of the “children” in the generational conflict lies in their desire to throw the “fathers” off the pedestal and take this place themselves

      From my personal experience, the fault of children is that, having zero knowledge and skills (with a very, very rare exception), everyone wants to be directors and receive a salary that does not correspond to their value in any way, while doing nothing. You look at what baggage a university graduate comes to work with, it's a disaster. But on the other hand, maybe one should immediately demand worthy respect for oneself?
      1. Alena Frolovna 26 January 2020 09: 41 New
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        But on the other hand, maybe it’s necessary to immediately demand a decent respect for the?


        On demand respect for the never will be! Respect you need to earn money, then, if at the same time there will also be a normal attitude to the cause and the people around you, you can talk about dignity. And today there is no knowledge, there is no culture of behavior, intelligence is zero, but we demand! That's why this current generation does not know how to live; it, like a dragonfly from Krylov’s fable, expects him to fall manna from heaven and bring a saucer with a blue border. This does not happen.
        "Without labor, you can’t catch a fish from a pond either." Respect must be earned!
        1. solzh 26 January 2020 10: 27 New
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          Quote: Alena Frolovna
          At the request of respect, there will never be! Respect must be earned, then

          I agree completely.
          Quote: Alena Frolovna
          no culture of behavior

          We have a problem with that. And not only among young, but also among some directors of companies. If earlier a person who received a higher education could be called a cultural person, but now ... In general, we again rest against education.
          1. This is so, dear solzh. ,, Rest on education ,, - exactly so. Nobody really in ,, RK ,, (,, Russia Capitalist ,,,) is engaged in EDUCATION. ,, Education ,, from the word ,, image ,,. Man is the image of God. The State is obliged to do this for PEOPLE! But, if the state is built into the ugly system of the so-called ,, globalists ,, (,, Satanists ,,,, world backstage ,,,, black aristocracy ,, ... ,, reptilians ,, etc.) then he doesn’t and cannot have such a task - to deal with B razovanem people. He does not need PEOPLE! Remember how a well-known English-speaking lady suggested leaving 15 million people in Russia? Only service personnel of oil, gas and other pumping stations ...
            Many, very many adults do not understand that not all, two-legged, not all, homo sapiens, are human people. There are people like ordinary nonhumans. And they have different life priorities that are different from us. The author’s latest find is a certain Elizabeth Bathory, Countess of the Kingdom of Hungary, who lived at the turn of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries. ,, became famous ,, rejuvenating baths. Instead of water, the blood of young girls. Dozens of dead victims ... Well, literally, yesterday, Nazi business decisions for the needs of the Third Reich. .. Soap from melted human fat, human skin for the production of gloves, handbags ...
            The war of generations is a fictional war. The war of people and nonhumans is real. Look at the barcodes with which virtually ALL goods and products in Russia, including Three double bars at the beginning, middle and end of the barcode indicate the number ,, 6 ,,. ,, 666, is the number of the Beast, the number of Satan. , What for ? DO PEOPLE do this? DOES PEOPLE NEED IT? Do high-ranking Russian figures who know how to baptize their heads on camera know about satanic markings?
            PEOPLE NEED STATES
            FOR PEOPLE. Very simple. Then both the public and private sectors will develop and people will develop in all good senses. And far-fetched problems will blow like smoke
        2. Den717 26 January 2020 11: 41 New
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          Quote: Alena Frolovna
          At the request of respect, there will never be! Respect must be earned,

          Respect for the employed employee must be shown from the moment he appears at the workplace. I mean respect for his rights as a worker under the Labor Code. To identify his ability / inability to perform a labor function, there is a probationary period, mentors, industrial training. You just need to use this skillfully (!!!).
          Quote: Alena Frolovna
          And today there is no knowledge, there is no culture of behavior, intelligence is zero, but we demand!

          Excuse me, did they bring these “zero” ones from abroad? Do you remember yourself on the first day at the workplace? I worked at an enterprise where management did not want to pay during the probationary period. Do you welcome such methods? And everyone wants to earn a big salary, both young and old. And no one can be blamed for this. And if the employer does not respect his employee from the first meeting, do not expect loyalty from this employee to the interests of the enterprise. What it results in, I think, does not need to be explained ...
        3. qQQQ 26 January 2020 17: 44 New
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          Quote: Alena Frolovna
          Respect must be earned!

          I completely agree with this, probably this is what our generation is different from children. They want everything at once, very often not deservedly.
        4. neri73-r 28 January 2020 18: 41 New
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          Quote: Alena Frolovna
          But on the other hand, maybe it’s necessary to immediately demand a decent respect for the?


          On demand respect for the never will be! Respect you need to earn money, then, if at the same time there will also be a normal attitude to the cause and the people around you, you can talk about dignity. And today there is no knowledge, there is no culture of behavior, intelligence is zero, but we demand! That's why this current generation does not know how to live; it, like a dragonfly from Krylov’s fable, expects him to fall manna from heaven and bring a saucer with a blue border. This does not happen.
          "Without labor, you can’t catch a fish from a pond either." Respect must be earned!

          Yes, these “specialist children” also like to extrapolate the successes of their parents to themselves, without making any efforts or skills. And some parents, although they have achieved some success, for some reason dig their own graves for these children, indulging them in everything, as if they would live forever and protect their children.
    3. solzh 26 January 2020 10: 20 New
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      The point is different, namely, "not everything new is good, not everything old is bad."
      I didn’t meet with timing, but without planning it’s not good. In your practice, you have to deal with two types of planning: “general” aimed at a certain period and “private” - for one employee. And I must say with the right approach, all this works very well.
      Quote: GKS 2111
      In my opinion, the conflict between generations lies in the habit of the older ones to look down on the younger generation and in the desire of the younger ones to assert themselves
    4. Po-tzan 27 January 2020 15: 10 New
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      Quote: GKS 2111
      In my opinion, the conflict between generations lies in the habit of the older ones to look down on the younger generation and in the desire of the younger ones to assert themselves. The only fault of our “fathers” is that they remember us as small and helpless.


      The point is not quite that. We just live in a very unique two decades in the history of mankind, which will never be again - a time of development and mass introduction of information technologies into everyday life. And if in the Middle Ages the experience of the elder was always valuable and needed, now most young people are more savvy and better oriented in modern realities than the generation of their parents. For an average young man, an old man who does not know the Internet and English, at least at a basic level, is an information disabled person, who passes by 80% of important information flows and will not be an example to follow from such a person.
    5. g1v2 27 January 2020 19: 16 New
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      You speak the truth, lad! laughing In fact, all generations consider the next ones stupid, and the previous ones dense and backward. It is especially funny how people who at one time safely forgot everything they taught at school try to declare the young to be ignoramuses. I have junior colleagues in the 90s of the "release years" who do not know even the simplest things that are considered basic for me. But then they can tell for a long time how stupid those who were born in the zero. It’s funny.
      Young people are not stupid and not uneducated. It’s just that she was born and lives in a different world than the one in which we were born. She has a different amount of information received. I once found a good book on a topic in a store or library, read it to holes. Because the amount of information received was limited. Now a person passes a much larger stream of information through himself. He cannot remember all, and he has no desire. Therefore, now it is not the knowledge volume that comes to the fore, but the ability to quickly find and apply the correct information. Moreover, the infusion into this stream occurs since childhood. Already from the elementary grades, a smartphone becomes a symbiont for a child.
      1. raif 28 January 2020 03: 22 New
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        Quote: g1v2
        You speak the truth, lad! laughing Young people are not stupid and not uneducated. It’s just that she was born and lives in a different world than the one in which we were born. She has a different amount of information received ... Therefore, now it is not the amount of knowledge that comes to the fore, but the ability to quickly find and apply the correct information. Moreover, the infusion into this stream occurs since childhood. Already from the elementary grades, a smartphone becomes a symbiont for a child.

        the trouble is that these “intelligent” youth are not able to filter information. and a huge amount of information in most accounts for social networks, videos on YouTube, etc.
        1. g1v2 28 January 2020 06: 45 New
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          Well, of course, we need to learn this. To distinguish the necessary information from fake or enemy. And about social networks, YouTube and so on. So I, too, mostly at their age, did not read scientific treatises, mostly fiction and historical literature.
          HERE A VERY INDICATIVE SITUATION WITH MUSIC. In due time we got music. Each new album of a favorite band or singer was an event. They constantly learned something new on their favorite topic. Now you can listen to the entire discography of your favorite group in a couple of days and find out about it right there right down to your favorite color of cowards. As a result, now all the groups and their work are short-lived for young people. The song released a month ago is already ancient. The group that was listened to a year ago is already forgotten. The flow of information is very fast.
          1. raif 8 February 2020 19: 44 New
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            I think that any Soviet-era literature contains more benefits than YouTube itself. and the situation with music may be true - I was absolutely not keen on it
  2. Nikolai Korovin 26 January 2020 05: 58 New
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    A landmark article. Starperov time to landfill! They don’t even know how to use a computer. I wonder how old the author is?
    1. _Sergei_ 26 January 2020 06: 37 New
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      I am 64 years old, in 3 months 65. With computers since 1987. And I can teach some young people. But it's not that. It is also necessary to study at 65. Otherwise, you will lag behind. Due to the fact that I was able to use, in our family one of the first in 1994 appeared a computer. And the children learned to become two programmers. And now we have everyone’s wife with their own computer.
    2. bessmertniy 26 January 2020 06: 41 New
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      And why not immediately to the crematorium !? what After all, today it is fashionable to fight landfills, and burning saves space. repeat By the way, crematoriums for unnecessary people were actively used by fascist Germany. sad
    3. Phil77 26 January 2020 06: 51 New
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      Starperov time to landfill! They don’t even know how to use a computer.

      Good morning to everyone! And you didn’t think that after a while they would say that about you? That you also don’t know how to use any * nishtyak! request
    4. kalibr 26 January 2020 07: 47 New
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      Dear Nikolay! The author is 65 with a tail, so he saw and knows something.
      1. depressant 26 January 2020 09: 45 New
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        The author, the problem you raised distracts you from a much more serious one: there is nowhere to put people. They didn’t talk about this at the recent Davos - they shouted. And everyone, terrified, did not understand what to do. After all, how was it before? A new profession arises, as a result of which labor productivity rises sharply, superfluous are fired. But along the way, a number of related works arise. The horse replaced the car, the cabmen lost their jobs, but huge factories, a host of repair shops, taxi fleets, drivers, etc. were built. There is such a thing as the time of adaptation of a society to a new technology. Previously, society managed to adapt, but not now. Technologies, crowding together, succeed one another at such a speed that adaptation becomes impossible, because technologies are developed by geniuses and are mastered by ordinary people. At the same time, genius developers from generation Y will soon be replaced by developers from the generation, sorry, alpha. And the generation Z, which is between Y and this same alpha - what to do? Those who are already growing up with mobile phones in their hands, staring at the computer monitor, but due to natural reasons, that is, due to the lack of ingenious brains, by definition, are still not capable of mastering a new lightning fast? ...
        You know, there is a limit to human capabilities. Even among the super-capable advertisers and sales people described by you. How many dumb, truly stupid, idiotic advertisements I saw in a box six months ago when I was still watching it. And it was made young from the “best advertising houses” - the very ones that had not had mobile phones in their hands since childhood, but they don’t know life completely, don’t understand the needs of ordinary people from previous generations, but they ended up what foreign universities. And the "previous" for some reason - such villains! - they don’t want to die, but they also require an understanding of their psychology, not American or European ....
        And here I am looking at two guys here in our village, the boys of the X generation, who sell - one with mobile phones and the other with putty paints. Lovely, kind, advanced and ... after 10 years, they are no longer in demand on the labor market! Due to the fact that the "alpha" grew up and threw them a technological trick. Yes, actually, they themselves were thrown to them by X themselves - in the form of shops with self-service cash desks - we are waiting, sir!
    5. Svarog 26 January 2020 09: 00 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Korovin
      Starperov time to landfill!

      Nonsense .. By the way, this nonsense is very popular in our business .. Actually for this reason, after 40 problems with work begin. Although if you take Europe, then there are 40-50 years of very high demand. Experience, you can’t drink it, as they say. Especially if this experience was obtained not in greenhouse conditions, but in conditions of survival. I often come across young people who have gone through a bunch of different trainings, but as they say, they didn’t smell gunpowder and as a result they make a lot of mistakes. This is where the “starters” are needed ... As a matter of fact, the environment is changing, and the person with its essence does not change, that’s why it’s important to respect the elders, as our ancestors taught us ... they didn’t do it for nothing, it’s a guarantee survival and the ability to bypass a lot of unnecessary problems.
      1. bessmertniy 26 January 2020 09: 26 New
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        Take a simple summer cottage. Any active pensioner in it is much more effective than the average child of the millennium. And in other areas, an energetic person with experience in pre-retirement and post-retirement age can produce better results than his young rival. belay But in areas related to business, modern computer science and new technologies, there is an advantage over the young. In this regard, competent policy of the state, individual companies, organizations and enterprises is very important in order to optimally use the abilities of each employee. And not so, when a young or old worker there, is busy for hours at work. Either misses the store counter, or plays on the computer and writes messages on the phone. what
        1. Svarog 26 January 2020 09: 37 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          But in areas related to business, modern computer science and new technologies, there is an advantage over young

          Controversial, very controversial .. especially in terms of business ..
          In this regard, competent policy of the state, individual companies, organizations and enterprises is very important in order to optimally use the abilities of each employee. And not so, when a young or old worker there, is busy for hours at work. Either misses the store counter, or plays on the computer and writes messages on the phone. what

          I agree that the abilities of each employee should be used .. but before you use them you need to see and evaluate them. Unfortunately, the level of "appraisers" in our country is not very high. There are many reasons for this, but it is in understanding the employee’s effectiveness that the success of the enterprise lies. Our understanding of this often comes down to devotion, personal loyalty and other qualities that have little to do with the final result. Also, by the way, in politics too .. Personnel decide everything. For this reason, it is important at any enterprise to have a strong human resources department, with the right policies. I can say with confidence that in the domestic business - the personnel department does not fulfill its function .. in general.
          1. solzh 26 January 2020 10: 33 New
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            It is in understanding the employee’s effectiveness that the success of the enterprise lies.

            Exactly, but for some reason not everyone wants to understand this.
          2. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 11: 16 New
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            In fact, the personnel department is really not needed. Personnel should be evaluated by a direct supervisor, and personnel officers should be engaged only in clerical work. By what criteria will the HR manager evaluate (what a word!) The qualification of a specialist if he himself has no ear or snout in this topic.
            1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 11: 59 New
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              HR is much more than just an assessment of personnel. These are issues of digitalization of HR-space, attraction of talents and innovative technologies of recruiting, etc. Today, the HR director is not just a leader, but a conductor of change. Its task is to increase the market value of the company by attracting scarce qualified personnel, optimizing activities and creating a talent pool. The labor market is always active and very volatile. A modern HR director must solve tasks of a strategic level, have the skills to search, adapt, develop, and optimize and retain key employees. There, training does not stop at all if you want to be in demand in your work. For me, this is the second most important position in any modern company.
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                I agree with you. But the assessment of the qualifications of a specialist should not be carried out by a personnel officer, but by a specialist of the same profile as the applicant.
                1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 12: 29 New
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                  this is the difference that the personnel officer is already the past. it’s a sort of rudiment for filling out a personal file, because there’s no more sense in it), but the HR specialist is already completely different) his tasks are vast and his skills are much higher. and to test the competency of the applicant in his power to appoint various tests and checks. here the point is precisely that he must understand when it is necessary. different positions require different tools for hiring. from a request to the Security Council to verify the applicant to personal conversations with his former leaders.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor 26 January 2020 14: 46 New
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                    I agree with Andrey and Dmitry. BUT .. I still understand the presence of such a specialist in a company with 100+ employees or in a factory, provided that he is a really cool specialist - he doesn’t need to do the rest, the director will manage it ..
                    But in most cases, what I saw-HR is "zilch" just conducting an interview and not able to assess professionalism in view of his ignorance, evaluating diploma-labor-conversation on general topics according to the parameters-like / not outwardly HR, in the best case, they base potential employees. And in most cases, the office will not lose much without them.
                    And how will HR evaluate the qualifications and experience of, for example, a welder with 15 years of experience in labor? or programmer? or a lawyer? Does he fumble in all of this right away?
                    Okay, still a graduate of a university - he still doesn’t really know anything, the main thing is whether he wants to learn .. or the driver, loader, watchman, most importantly how responsible ..
                    I repeat, I think there are such specialists who know the nuances of professions, but in large enterprises with the appropriate salaries and tasks. 95 percent of firms do not need HR at all.
                    1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 15: 00 New
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                      perhaps. only again, everything rests on what the leader is striving for. if he wants to develop, then he cannot carry these functions on himself because of a lack of knowledge in this area and the fact that he cannot have time for this. the functionality of the enterprise is, first of all, that everyone in his place should bring results. do you think the director will be able to check the qualifications of a lawyer and a programmer and a welder?))) and HR should not do it personally either) he will invite, for example, the project manager there or someone else and introduce him to the applicant if he suits him for other qualities. the mess begins when all the applicants go to this boss and he will then deal with their screenings instead of his work) the one whom you described is a regular personnel officer with the corresponding sn.
            2. dauria 26 January 2020 12: 40 New
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              Personnel should be evaluated by the immediate supervisor,

              It used to be. You come to the factory - the personnel officer calls the master (the head of the site, department) and that's it. Then her calf’s job is to let her fill out the paper and say where the military registration desk and “medicine” are.
              To the author - the problem is not in the youth and their "level". And the fact that she doesn’t need anyone. There are no factories - there is no vocational school, there is no particular need for specialists, hard workers and junior managers, the foreman-master-head of the site. This means that there will be no experience on which "mastery" depends.
              The point is not that they are "bad", but that they have no where to learn.
              Spit on the "designers." What is the use of the ballerina, if the superintendent does not build a house of culture, the power engineer does not drag light and pipes there, the delivery manager does not bring chairs and pies to the buffet.
            3. Ajevgenij 26 January 2020 18: 17 New
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              That one. It's funny when a girl or a lady sits in the personnel department who paints her nails, but for some reason evaluates the specialist who came to work. What a perversion.
        2. Fisherman 27 January 2020 13: 04 New
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          I do not agree fundamentally about summer residents. My wife admires my neighbor, a summer resident and his wife, when they see the result of my wife and mine. Although my wife as a summer resident is only 10 years old, and not like them (I have been working for 30 years for sure), but I learn a lot from her. My mother (65 years old) says the same thing about my wife: her hand is light, so everything will grow. So it turns out))))), Although my wife and I at the dacha are only on exits, and the neighbors live from the end of April to October. Yes, we have a risky farming zone at our dacha (there is a lot of clay, the soil is not at all fertile).
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      1. solzh 26 January 2020 10: 35 New
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        By the way, our generation has created these computers and mobile phones to please you young .. But what will you create ..?

        Time will tell. We'll see. Maybe only gadgets, or maybe interplanetary spacecraft wassat
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          1. solzh 26 January 2020 11: 27 New
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            Here are just romantics becoming less and less

            I watched the film with displeasure about the Strugatsky brothers called "Monday begins on Saturday." Especially at 58minutes 43 seconds. This is romance!
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            2. Phil77 26 January 2020 13: 48 New
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              And it reads generally on * Hurray * - a great book! hi
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              I watched the film with displeasure about the Strugatsky brothers called "Monday begins on Saturday."

              Recently, I’ve really “sat down” on a Soviet television show. There is something bewitching in them.
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                Recently, I’ve really “sat down” on a Soviet television show. There is something bewitching in them.

                I completely agree. I myself watch them with pleasure. hi
    7. Keyser soze 26 January 2020 10: 21 New
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      Starperov time to landfill! They don’t even know how to use a computer. I wonder how old the author is?


      And the fact is that if you want to be a good and sought-after specialist you need to be taught as a beast both in 50 and 60.

      I am 50 and last year I spent about 300 hours of study studying:

      - fly a drone
      - camera skill and how to shoot a drone from a camera
      - video editing - DaVinci Resolve
      - characteristics of different cameras for video shooting

      As a result, I started making video ads for my clients and earned about 2 euros, excluding investments in the first year. Something like this. Now I’m teaching on the topic. And the young ones ask me and not dump me .... hi
      1. polar fox 26 January 2020 10: 50 New
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        Quote: Keyser Soze
        I am 50 and last year I spent about 300 hours of study studying:

        - fly a drone
        - camera skill and how to shoot a drone from a camera
        - video editing - DaVinci Resolve
        - characteristics of different cameras for video shooting

        og .. come to the Russian Federation ... you will quickly get the drone broken off. and organize a fine.)))
        1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 12: 25 New
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          You can always agree. A friend is engaged in geodetic surveying from a quadrocopter: no one breaks anything off of him.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2 27 January 2020 18: 40 New
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        As a result, I started making video ads for my clients and earned about 2 euros, excluding investments in the first year. Something like this. Now I’m teaching on the topic. And the young ones ask me and not dump me ....

        And you are well done. good
    8. Vladimir_2U 26 January 2020 15: 46 New
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      Well, FIG knows how old the author is, but could not help feeling that it was Shpakovsky Vyacheslav Olegovich who wrote the article, or at least edited it.
      1. Vladimir_2U 26 January 2020 15: 47 New
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        Exactly, in the comments below I looked, it is.
    9. sagitch 27 January 2020 22: 31 New
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      Nikolay, I’m 55, so far everything is holding on to us. We will leave, the mechanisms will stand up, the engines will stop, the oil will run out. You can’t invent and produce a new one. You will have to return to the Stone Age. Oh, and you will regret that the old farts are gone! And so, for such talk, as in the movie "Voroshilovsky shooter," I’ll shoot so that I can follow my tongue ....
      1. Golovan Jack 27 January 2020 22: 40 New
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        Quote: sagitch
        I'm 55

        I'm 58 wink

        Quote: sagitch
        so far everything is holding on to us. We will leave, the mechanisms will stand up, the engines will stop, the oil will run out

        Yeah, and the sun will forget to rise. Man, don’t overestimate yourself - I’m working with young people right now, up to 40 guys are quite sane guys. So the mechanisms certainly won't get up yes

        Do not boast, panim, riding on the army wink
        1. sagitch 27 January 2020 22: 51 New
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          I am glad for you that you are older than me ... I am upset that there is no sensible replacement, those who are working and obedient are poorly educated. Educated - arrogant and self-confident, but knowing nothing in life.
          1. Golovan Jack 27 January 2020 22: 54 New
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            I am glad for you that you are older than me ...

            But to be honest, I'm not happy. I would have thrown 10-15 years now - with pleasure request
  3. nov_tech.vrn 26 January 2020 06: 12 New
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    collection of jokes
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      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      collection of jokes

      From Shpakovsky.
  4. Aerodrome 26 January 2020 06: 16 New
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    Starperov time to landfill! They don’t even know how to use a computer.

    Are you from the government of the Russian Federation? rhetoric is very familiar.
    1. Mestny 26 January 2020 08: 46 New
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      He's just joking about teenage.
      But where are you from?
  5. smart fellow 26 January 2020 06: 21 New
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    The impression that the author from the work flooded the old-timers. There is no work, no money. So scribbled with grief.
    1. Baloo 26 January 2020 06: 48 New
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      Quote: smart fellow
      The impression that the author from the work flooded the old-timers. There is no work, no money. So scribbled with grief.

      With humor but in the case. Picture from life. We have approximately the same thing. We are getting ready to move to higher quality standards. A pretzel comes from the Ministry of Health and is so sparing from the rostrum that he convinces the audience that it takes just 6 minutes and 40 seconds to receive one patient in the clinic. Oh how! In the Ministry of Health, he headed a whole area of ​​optimization. He did not say about his basic specialty. For a long time we laughed on the sidelines.
      1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 06: 55 New
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        Is there really no order for the patient’s prima about the norms of the Ministry of Health? I thought they were clearly spelled out. at least somehow I heard from my wife.
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          Is there really no order for the patient’s prima about the norms of the Ministry of Health? I thought they were clearly spelled out. at least somehow I heard from my wife.


          At the IHC, conscripts need even less time for each. Here is a case: a woman of Balzac age, a mother of three children, a retired captain of the Federal Penitentiary Service, a little crazy, acting classes, jigitings and finally a lot of special things, complaints of palpitations, shortness of breath, mood swings and what are called pelvic pain syndrome in women . Gynecologists probably already smiled. Was at the proctologist, who introduced her his medical device to the stop and did not find anything. Thoracic surgeons refused to operate on her for some reason. Madame writes a complaint attaching sheets of 40 copies of medical documents. her demand: let the proctologist bring her the medical device all the way and so that they can take a picture, she’s suffocating from something and again there’s an interruption in her heart (I see the gynecologists are smiling). Professor pulmonologist: examination 40 minutes, professor proctologist: 30 minutes. Head of the Department of Cardiology (brilliant clever! Superprofits, what to look for!) Only a survey of 30 minutes, examination of documents 10 minutes, conversation with a patient, execution of directions, etc. 30 minutes. So what are you there about the standards of the Ministry of Health? Will you be happy if they accept you in less than 6 minutes 40 seconds, 10 seconds less? An emergency and urgent case is one thing, where thought and action should be faster than a bullet, another is a primary technique, and each specialist has certain questions that he must ask. This is only in the movie "Ah, I'm dying." There are always precursors ... For this, the doctor must thoroughly question the patient.
          1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 10: 10 New
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            Yes, I understand that) the rules will be set anyway. Without them, statistics cannot be collected. I just did not understand what kind of standards a person declares across even the orders of the Ministry of Health)))
            1. Baloo 26 January 2020 10: 14 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              Yes, I understand that) the rules will be set anyway. Without them, statistics cannot be collected. I just did not understand what kind of standards a person declares across even the orders of the Ministry of Health)))

              This pretzel drew a dissertation on the theme of a lean clinic. The main idea: if the forms are in a certain order, and the tables and chairs are also in a certain order, then it will take 6 minutes 40 seconds to receive one patient. This is a breakthrough!
              1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 10: 24 New
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                aah. understandably. 5S. Kaizen. I don’t think that will take root in Russia. this is too tied to mentality.
      2. Phil77 26 January 2020 07: 04 New
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        And during my visit to the clinic / ARVI / the district doctor, a girl of about twenty, took me as many as ten minutes! Eight of them were typed on a computer.
        1. bubalik 26 January 2020 08: 04 New
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          ,, Seryoga, well what else was accepted. And then I would have come, but on the door, the doctor is admitting according to a free schedule, laughing
          1. Phil77 26 January 2020 08: 59 New
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            Good morning Sergey! A doctor? And I would not call this outwardly attractive creation a doctor. A doctor, in my opinion, is a specialist who treats, or at least is able to consult correctly. From this girl I heard only two questions: * How do you feel? *, and * And what kind of medicine do you drink? *.
            1. Svarog 26 January 2020 09: 52 New
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              Good morning Sergey! A doctor? And I would not call this outwardly attractive creation a doctor. A doctor, in my opinion, is a specialist who treats, or at least is able to consult correctly. From this girl I heard only two questions: * How do you feel? *, and * And what kind of medicine do you drink? *.

              Now the local pediatrician is easily replaced by the Internet. Exactly the same sense, checked. He compared his symptoms and diagnosed himself, then went to the pediatrician and confirmed the diagnosis)) He wrote down the same thing that the Internet writes. And this service remains the only one we have for free. But if a serious problem is required, a narrow specialist and a lot of different tests are needed, and here you either wait a very long time, because there are not enough narrow specialists, or you go to a paid clinic ...
              1. Keyser soze 26 January 2020 10: 16 New
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                Now the local pediatrician is easily replaced by the Internet.


                It is absolutely true that now and in the next 10 years, distance medicine will develop. She will fall on 5G services and people and in the last village will have access to good medicine.
                1. Mordvin 3 26 January 2020 10: 32 New
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                  Quote: Keyser Soze
                  distance medicine. She will fall on 5G services and people and in the last village will have access to good medicine.

                  Yeah, they will conduct a 5G service for Agafya Lykova, give her a computer and a diesel generator, deliver a couple of barrels of solariums, and grandma will have medicine. Good one. Well, if she cannot make a citramone pill from improvised means, a magician will fly in a blue helicopter and give a analgin.
                  1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 10: 36 New
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                    why such difficulties? the computer itself will become a stationary anachronism soon if it has not already become. tablets can already have a lot. for distance novelties it will be enough completely. and grandmothers not only live in villages.
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                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      tablets can already have a lot. for distance novelties it will be enough completely.

                      They will give Agafya a tablet and a bunch of spare batteries. laughing We cancel the diesel generator with a solarium, everything else remains valid. How much does 5G hit there? It’s necessary to pull a whole bunch of stations with the same generators and personnel serving the Agashka.
                      1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 11: 45 New
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                        Enough fiber optic line. Without generators and BS.
                      2. region58 27 January 2020 09: 54 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        a bunch of stations with the same generators and staff

                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Enough fiber optic line.

                        Musk and Starlink are already pulling up ...
                        Quote: Keyser Soze
                        distance medicine.

                        The main thing here is not to overdo it. And then flashed in the news like some kind of advanced pretzel, after watching YouTube, I decided to cut my appendix myself. Ended with the arrival of an ambulance. Saved the old fashioned way, without the internet. Lucky in general guy. yes
                        PS Kasperskaya said well about digitalization and not only (especially at 2.28):
                  2. Keyser soze 26 January 2020 12: 34 New
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                    Yeah, they’ll conduct a 5G service for Agafya Lykova, give her a computer ...


                    Well, for you, this is a real problem - the power is huge, but here it is small and 5G will work for us. At the moment, it is difficult to find a corner, even in the mountains, in which there is no 4G - and there is nothing to talk about populated places, they will cover everything quickly.

                    We had infrastructure in the 90s, and the technology was very backward. But there was a plus in eta - we immediately covered the country with optics and while the Germans are still hanging on the telephone Internet, we are in second place in the world in terms of Internet speed for ordinary people. Methods and software for distance medicine are already being developed ...
              2. Phil77 26 January 2020 10: 58 New
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                Greetings to Vladimir! So after all, at work * sick-list * they demand! Here is a misfortune. laughing And as for the self-diagnosis, comrade Balu, I think everything about * will be clarified as a specialist, as a doctor. This is a delicate matter.
                1. Baloo 26 January 2020 11: 28 New
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                  Greetings to Vladimir! So after all, at work * sick-list * they demand! Here is a misfortune. laughing And as for the self-diagnosis, comrade Balu, I think everything about * will be clarified as a specialist, as a doctor. This is a delicate matter.

                  The wrong format and the wrong audience. In short: a conscientious experienced doctor, for whom professional honor is not empty words, will not heal on the phone and on the Internet. For in any examination what matters is written and read! In the best case, asking a dozen and a half questions will advise you to undergo an additional examination and then whom to turn to. Well, here's an example: abdominal pain can be a stone in the ureter, kidney, bladder, pathology of the "second male heart", oncology, upset stool, but in women, you understand it even more difficult. Or one more thing: pain in the lumbar region on the right, as if it were like a kidney or liver problem. And it may turn out to be retrocecal (behind the cecum) retroperitoneal (retroperitoneal) appendicitis. Back in the internship 40 years ago, I saw one more than 20 cm long in a 13-year-old child. more than 3 hours we carefully picked it out, gangrenous. Another couple of hours and it would fall apart and be complicated by peritonitis.
              3. UserGun 26 January 2020 13: 24 New
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                Now the precinct pediatrician replaces the Internet with ease. Exactly the same sense, checked. Compare their symptoms and he diagnosed himself, then went to pediatrician and that diagnosis confirmed))


                oh how! So you still 16 years old.?! ))) What you will not meet on open spaces of this resource)))
              4. The popuas 26 January 2020 19: 46 New
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                Why to the pediatrician? recourse also a doctor for children!
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                Are you a minor? time go to the pediatrician? Or have you already fallen into childhood?
        2. Baloo 26 January 2020 10: 06 New
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          And during my visit to the clinic / ARVI / the district doctor, a girl of about twenty, took me as many as ten minutes! Eight of them were typed on a computer.

          Sergey, you did not impress her. lol Printed for 8 minutes? This is normal, I wrote down everything I need. All that the doctor writes is a report on the work performed on behalf of the employer and before the employer. In a conflict situation, the judge and the prosecutor will write: a forensic expert, an expert at the investigative committee, an expert of the FFOMS, an insurance company, and leeches - “independent experts” who will not spare the doctor if they are materially interested. Having modest experience in several specialties, I know for sure that 15 minutes is approximately the average time required to receive one patient of a therapeutic profile
          1. Phil77 26 January 2020 10: 37 New
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            So I actually had no such purpose. laughing To make an impression. I came because I fell ill. But ... You know, I have not been to our clinic, about ten or twelve years. And? The impression is bad, very bad. * I will understand: we had a district doctor / woman as I wrote the author of * earlier * time /, and so, she treated the patient with ATTENTION! in a good sense of the concept. And this girl? Well, I don’t know what her life plans are. All this happened last year. And by the way, about the work of the police. I found the time when the district police officers went to their apartments, are there any complaints and so on ... Now? Yes, I see my district only in the photo / stand at the * ride.
            1. Baloo 26 January 2020 11: 12 New
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              About * I understand: we had a district doctor / woman as the author wrote * earlier * time /, and so, she treated the patient with ATTENTION! in a good way

              Alas, you are right. Doctors no longer educate doctors, poor basic training. And the destruction of the internship is more than the mistake of Ms. Skvortsova. Moreover, post-graduate studies are being transferred to commercial tracks, trying to replace mythical non-profit organizations, the pursuit of points. There really are more and more papers. We are now moving to the standards of Roszdravnadzor. In the history of the disease, papers were added. To read “Consent to hospitalization”, “Patient rights notice”, “Informed voluntary consent to data processing”, “Informed voluntary consent to medical intervention”, and also a separate “Informed consent to medical intervention (surgery or endoscopic examination), this how much time will it take for the patient? Failure to complete one of these forms -10% reduction in compulsory medical insurance payments.
              1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 11: 59 New
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                The standards of Roszdravnadzor were written by a kind of “colonel without a computer”. It simply begs the fact that all these consents must be signed by the patient at the stage of completing the compulsory medical insurance policy.
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            This is precisely because the workflow in medicine is done the old fashioned way. Paper. Why not just keep an audio recording of the doctor’s conversation with the patient and not force the doctor to do clerical work?
            1. Phil77 26 January 2020 11: 00 New
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              Good afternoon! But have the nurses been doing this before?
              1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 11: 08 New
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                For a nurse - a specialist with secondary medical education, clerical work is also not on the profile. In the presence of modern technology of objective control, conducting paper work is nonsense. In the same aviation, all crew actions have long been written by flight recorders. Why not similarly document the doctor’s actions without taking the specialist’s time to work unusual for him?
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                  long ago written by flight recorders.

                  And what will you write on? What media are designed for decades? The film rolls, the discs .... the devil knows what happens to them, but I've already thrown dozens. To flash drives? I also threw it away, I don’t know why, they stopped working.
                  1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 16: 23 New
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                    You can transfer this data to paper. Only a non-treating physician should do this.
                  2. The popuas 26 January 2020 19: 52 New
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                    What decades, for three years I got four medical books! The younger disabled person, we don’t give him his medical book so that we don’t lose!
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                Good afternoon! But have the nurses been doing this before?

                In our city, the reception is conducted by a doctor and a nurse.
                The doctor examines the patient, and the nurse records.
                It is possible that in other regions, like you do differently.
                Although the bursts from this no less. sad
            2. Baloo 26 January 2020 11: 17 New
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              This is precisely because the workflow in medicine is done the old fashioned way. Paper. Why not just keep an audio recording of the doctor’s conversation with the patient and not force the doctor to do clerical work?

              In the 90s, a prosessor from the USA came to us and gave us a lecture as a Papuans with a proud look. When they began to inquire about the complications, the prosessor was silent and said: Your advantage is that an accountant is not sitting above you. So in his private clinic and university 5 examination rooms, everything is recorded on a voice recorder, then the secretary prints out, the nurse records the appointments and takes care of the patient. They tried to organize something similar in the USSR. I saw such an office in MSC Izhmash in 1983, when I was lying with pneumonia. The cabinet has always been locked.
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      The impression that the author from the work flooded the old-timers. There is no work, no money. So scribbled with grief

      Impression is often misleading.
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    "Planning" and "timing" - what kind of animals?))) Is business planning and personal. these skills are imprisoned for performing certain tasks at specific times and the ability to fit into them. excuse me, but this is some kind of game that you described. Recording staff time is how they use time and where they are. set the timeformer and everything is perfectly visible. the leaders of this company are either strange or forgive them divorced at some strange seminars) on salesmen in general are beauty. what prevented them from how prices are formed? on the contrary, it’s a tool for them for discount programs, for example, which will affect sales. etc. etc., in general, all that is described is a set of excuses for stupidities and incompetence. it’s not about generations at all, but about the ability to learn and apply these skills correctly. And it doesn’t depend on age at all) it’s more on a person’s personality))) although he’s a flexible business, his rules and laws are specific and if you don’t know how or don’t know you will ruin everything no matter how old you are) working with personnel is generally a separate profession and separate knowledge. it’s not just that HR or, as before, HR specialists study for years and constantly)
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      You know very well what will happen if you give a grenade to a monkey ..... I talked with a friend, he got a job in a well-known company ....... in the end he is like a robot, he can’t speak humanly, these are solid timing and rallies and other bullshit and every quarter of them for a polygraph, it’s voluntary, but you yourself understand .... how much ....
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        from prof. no one is immune to deformations) one of the reasons that I got divorced is that it turned into a pathos talking encyclopedia from which I was frozen) this is not bad. even probably vice versa is good. but it’s very annoying) I didn’t become that way although I studied there) there is nothing worse when the family begins to check knowledge and you as a subordinate))) people often do not know how to separate work and life from this your friend changed. Over time, he will notice.
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          I recalled the film "White Dew", when the hero of Karachentsev decided to get a divorce, and Dad asks, didn’t try to beat?))) And prof. absorbs
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            Of course) I was not touched due to the fact that I was such a jerk as my daughter says))) and so the change of place of work is one of those things that helps from this. even in terms of psychology.
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              Much depends directly on the person, someone will not move to the last ass and will drive knuckles on the accounts .......
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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm5G-1Et0LE
        Movie on the topic.
  7. nikvic46 26 January 2020 07: 02 New
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    The example of a Japanese entrepreneur is not entirely successful. I have many friends who work in companies. They do not smoke or drink because they are forbidden. The work itself encourages such a way of life. They do not have "overseers". Schedule each establishes at his discretion. They do not protest against the political system. They are annoyed by the slowness of large business. It is he who must take the ideas of the young and promote them in life.
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    Here the question is seen not in the conflict of generations, but in the creative organization of labor of the firm or company. It must be said that the work is strictly “on schedule” - it’s a bzik, both of many old and many young leaders. But the "free schedule" was not invented today. It was used in the past in individual organizations and companies and had its advantages. Workers who could build a work schedule for themselves, as a rule, were more efficient. This was noticed, and today the "free schedule" is used more actively. But it does not fit everywhere. But in science, culture, services, trade, etc., this is a fairly common practice, regardless of the age of the leader.
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      I will say more. In creative professions, this is the only possible schedule.
      You cannot force an artist to paint from 9-00 to 18-00. That is, it is possible, of course, but not of the present, but of a three-player from the street. With the corresponding result.
      All these timings can be justified only in one case - high pay for such working conditions.
  9. Monster_Fat 26 January 2020 07: 23 New
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    Well, my wife (already retired) when in recent years worked at school she herself said that from her own experience, nevertheless, in the end, she was convinced of the lack of demand for classical school education in modern conditions, in school it is necessary to move from an emphasis on science to an emphasis on social adaptation, so that the young generation, in addition to basic knowledge, can navigate in the modern information environment, have more job opportunities not only in their own country, but also abroad, know and can defend their rights, know how to open and the streamlined its business, and so forth.
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Well, my wife (already retired) when in recent years worked at school she herself said that from her own experience, nevertheless, in the end, she was convinced of the lack of demand for classical school education in modern conditions, in school it is necessary to move from an emphasis on science to an emphasis on social adaptation, so that the young generation, in addition to basic knowledge, can navigate in the modern information environment, have more job opportunities not only in their own country, but also abroad, know and can defend their rights, know how to open and the streamlined its business, and so forth.

      I can say that the same thoughts come to smart people!
  10. Gardamir 26 January 2020 07: 28 New
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    Something I do not believe the author. He didn’t say well. About the director without a computer, with notebooks. Such in my nature does not exist already. But he beautifully wrote about the "talented" salesmen, but he regretted the examples. About trading over the Internet, I know that just promoting online is harder than offline harder.
    1. carstorm 11 26 January 2020 07: 42 New
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      online trading just spins much faster due to the possibility of working out the maximum possible audience with minimal investments through social networks. at what tools darkness and investments are minimal. here the idea and the concept as a whole are more important. Well, here is the new Russian billionaire Tatyana Bakalchuk. owner of Wildberries. since 2004, from trade in OTTO catalogs to a billion-dollar company. and not ruble) 60 million monthly audience)
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        spins much faster
        You see, especially if you are not to a remote village. sooner or later the people will go. But to collect an audience online, so far it does not work.
    2. kalibr 26 January 2020 07: 52 New
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      Such in my nature does not exist already.

      If only ...
      1. Mestny 26 January 2020 08: 56 New
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        Even as it exists.
        But basically, of course, a hybrid - and the computer is on the table, and in the head is a Soviet education of the 80s.
        1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 11: 00 New
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          Not education, Soviet education is very good. The point is the mentality.
    3. Moore 26 January 2020 08: 47 New
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      Talented (without quotes) salespeople - a thing in itself is unique, like white muskrats, for example. And among the "gamers" of millenials, this is especially so, for they are a transitional model to the "buzzers", in other words, the Z generation, who in principle are convinced of their innate uniqueness and talent. And both of these formations, with a few exceptions Y, are under no circumstances ready for hard work, even for the sake of money. Big money for them. And they are not in a hurry to grow up ...
      As for the author, “a colonel without a computer,” who dislikes the author, there is, of course, something similar, especially from the surviving “businessmen” of the 90s, who remained in those times. But excuse me, who interfered with a young man with a nut in his nose (or ear?) And a young woman with blue hair and torn jeans when reading a job to read the rules of the corporate dress code?
  11. unknown 26 January 2020 07: 30 New
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    A free schedule is not for everyone. But rather to those who can even work on a remote site.
    As for age, nothing has changed here from the point of view of theory. The effective age of the employee starts at 35 years old. With the exception of professions related to information technology. But it was the same before. In the sense that candidates in mathematical disciplines defended themselves before everyone else.
    The effective age of the director starts at 55. And then for health reasons. Numerous studies in the West have already identified a critical age, after which health deteriorates sharply. It is 63 years old. For us, 62 years. Even in the United States, an employee can retire at age 62.
    The problem of our country is in the "lost" generation of those who were born in the second half of the 60th and first half of the 70th. Now these people had to enter the "director" age. But, the events of the 90s actively knocked this generation out of life, in many cases, literally, physically. Therefore, we now have a huge gap between generations of workers. As a result, management quality has plummeted in all areas.
    1. Mestny 26 January 2020 08: 59 New
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      For another reason.
      Life is changing rapidly, information opportunities are changing even faster.
      Not everyone at this age is able to meet these challenges. Especially if the USSR is still sitting in the head.
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        sits the USSR.
        You probably even if the article is about the beauties of nature still stick in politics.
        1. depressant 26 January 2020 11: 10 New
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          Dear colleague Mestny, in the clever minds of the USSR, the USSR also coexists perfectly, and the ability to meet new challenges is a comparative base that helps to avoid many mistakes of the past, which means the present, they have more. Or, as they say in modern terms, "better"))
          1. Mestny 26 January 2020 11: 32 New
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            In smart heads.
            They generally get along pretty well.
            But this is me, in rebellion to some comrades who "even if the article on the beauties of nature are still stuck about bad power."
            Someone must.
  12. samarin1969 26 January 2020 07: 38 New
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    During my life I had to change my profession and level of responsibility several times. The main problem is not learning. The percentage of "trained", "sane" is approximately the same. The older generation is learning more slowly but reliably. Preferred employees 35-55 years: life experience, lack of "twists". After 100 grams - quite creative people. laughing

    The article is very speculative. All these specialists in “training,” “planning,” and “corporate culture” are useless people at the slightest crisis.
    What the business lacks is specialists. During his life, he saw no more than 20 specialists.
    1. Mestny 26 January 2020 09: 05 New
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      And so in general everywhere, in any field of activity.
      Therefore, such specialists must be sought, and created conditions for them.
      But if in our, in Russian-Soviet, business is hapok (in the sense of grabbing here and now - and immediately into the bushes), then yes, of course. You can get anyone from the street.
      In our country, for the most part, only one thing was learned from capitalism - to grab, and "for 300% of the profit, the capitalist is capable of anything." What kind of planning is there for decades to come, what name and reputation are there.
      Such, of course, are not all, but a depressing majority.
      The roots of all this are precisely in the Soviet way of life. Eternal, unsatisfied, malicious theft wherever possible.
      1. Keyser soze 26 January 2020 09: 32 New
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        Such, of course, are not all, but a depressing majority.
        The roots of all this are precisely in the Soviet way of life.


        I agree, because the roots of the scoop (in the bad sense of the word) are among our employers. They did a survey and it turned out that 75% of employers do not have higher education. This says a lot.

        But now in our labor market there are no offspring of the realists and a candle - the economy is flying, and whoever doesn’t work ... Salaries are growing at 10-12% per year, otherwise you will not have workers. So the market explains to them, in a difficult way, what is good and what is bad.
        1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 10: 00 New
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          Scoop flew into space, illiterate directors were not put on.
          “Salaries are growing at 10-12% per year, otherwise you will not have workers.” - if all employers do not increase their salaries, as they do in the West, then you will not go anywhere and will work for food and sleep at the workplace. And you will be happy. He is such a capitalism.
          1. Mestny 26 January 2020 11: 38 New
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            How he flew can be read. A sea of ​​memoirs, documents, and so on.
            Thanks to Korolev, thanks to fate that he did not die in the Soviet camp.
            Incredible, monstrous efforts, making his way through our entire madhouse, managed to slightly outperform the Americans.
            Korolev died, and all blown away.
            1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 12: 05 New
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              Korolev did one rocket?
              Stop lying. The rocket was launched into space not by Korolev, but by the USSR.
              Where more madhouse in the USSR or the Russian Federation?
              1. kalibr 26 January 2020 13: 41 New
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                Where more madhouse in the USSR or the Russian Federation?

                In the USSR, of course, otherwise it would not have collapsed and we would now live in it.
                1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 13: 50 New
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                  The USSR collapsed, I'm a stupid accomplice. ((((Not because of the madhouse, but because of stupidity.
                  Only madhouse today is many times more. At least a choice of sausage or cheese.
                  I don’t even stutter about hospitals and schools.
                  What was the madhouse of the USSR? give examples. about the madhouse now I brought you a choice of sausages.
                  1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 14: 09 New
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                    In the management of production in particular and the country as a whole. Ideology should not interfere in economics and management.
                    1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 14: 59 New
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                      Only communist ideology can not interfere in economic management and management? Is anti-communism-fascism-liberalism possible?

                      Why do you think the ideology of the USSR "all for the good of man" is bad?
                      1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 15: 36 New
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                        What is bad? Not allowed to develop the private sector. This is exactly the moment when ideology entered the economy. And what was there for the benefit of man? A clumsy distribution system that does not take into account the wishes of citizens? Shortage of consumer goods? The low quality and technological level of products, so we have to long and painfully catch up with developed countries? Yes, in a closed economy it worked - eat what they give, there is still no choice. But on a global scale, this is backwardness in most industrial sectors.
                      2. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 15: 43 New
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                        What about collective farms and artels? Under Stalin, all this was after him. You still say that planning stupidity invented by the Communists.)))))

                        "And what was there for the good of man" - are you from the moon? Free education, medicine, housing travel, sanatoriums and other other. What is there for man today? NOTHING.
                        "there is no choice anyway" - tell me how you choose sausage today? In the USSR, it was GOST today without meat.))))

                        Why is the global crisis of capitalism now? What ideology prevented him?
                      3. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 16: 06 New
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                        Sausage, since we are talking about it, now there is any quality and any price category. From cheap soybeans to expensive natural products - there is plenty to choose from. Unlike the Soviet period. Where there have not yet been such surrogation technologies, although edible cellulose has already been added to sausage. Despite the state standard specifications. It would be time for a plant protein supplement. Only now you would have no choice what to buy.
                        Further: there are planning elements in a market economy, without them in any way. But the total planned, administrative-command economy, this is just communist insanity, because of which, in fact, the power fell apart. Yes, there is a crisis in capitalism, another crisis, but do not forget that socialism has lost outright.
                      4. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 16: 42 New
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                        "Only now you would not have a choice, what to buy" - there was no choice, you bought a quality one, now there is a choice to choose among shit.)))))
                        Plan dumbness?
                        "socialism lost outright" - Why in the US vote for Snaders who speaks for socialism?
                        Socialism did not lose economically; in 1971 socialism triumphed economically. Socialism passed stupid hucksters from the Central Committee of the CPSU, who did not want to do anything, but stupidly eat sweetly.
                        "another crisis" - when in the history of the Earth was there such a crisis and such world debts? This is the last crisis of capitalism that Marx spoke of.
                      5. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 17: 04 New
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                        What are you talking about "quality"? Cars? Only the lazy did not kick the quality and technical characteristics of Soviet cars, that of trucks, that of cars. Appliances? Electronics? Same. Clothes, shoes? Below the baseboard. The quality and range of services and services? Cave. Even the civil aviation industry, which was customary to be proud of, was already backward by the world standards by the beginning of the 80s. Damaged agricultural machinery, produced in clearly excessive quantities. Agriculture itself, which, despite a lot of people employed in it, is unable to feed the country's population. Yeah, grain from Canada, imported chickens and empty shelves.
            2. dali 26 January 2020 15: 29 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              In the management of production in particular and the country as a whole. Ideology should not interfere in economics and management.

              You probably don’t know the saying that: Everything is useful in moderation !!!
              Or you are not aware that snake venom can kill, or can cure.
              1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 15: 45 New
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                Today's ideology "Man to man is a wolf," was able to steal from a neighbor, the hero of capitalist labor. The state does not owe you anything, the sooner you die the better, do not breed. Not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the EU and the USA.
                What is better than communist?
              2. dali 26 January 2020 15: 55 New
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                What is better than communist?

                Did I say that today there is an ideology better than communist ?! belay
                Communist ideology is an ideal that, by definition, cannot be, although this does not mean that there is no need to do something.
                It’s like with diseases (maybe in the future they will be completely different from what they are now) - they will always be, but this does not mean that you don’t have to fight them!
              3. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 16: 36 New
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                Many times better than the capitalist and the more liberal.
                Is ideology a disease?
              4. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 17: 06 New
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                The imposition of any ideology as the most "correct", yes - a disease.
              5. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 17: 09 New
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                Anarchy is the mother of order or liberal ideology, each has its own ideology.)))
                How to raise children when you yourself do not know what ideology?
              6. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 17: 12 New
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                Have you raised children in ideology? I feel sorry for you and your children.
              7. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 17: 14 New
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                You do not explain to children what is good, what is bad?
                The public is higher than the personal.
                Human life is more important than dignity and human rights.
                May 9, 1945 Victory Day!

                I feel sorry for you.((((
              8. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 17: 36 New
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                What is good and what is bad is not an ideology. But society consists of the sum of individuals. Personalities, not cogs. And human life should not be opposed to human rights and dignities - it should be considered collectively, as a whole.
              9. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 17: 41 New
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                "human life should not be opposed to the rights and dignities of man - it should be considered collectively, as a whole." - You’re directly spying on liberal manuals. You are promoting a liberal ideology.))))))
                Does a person have the right to be against same-sex marriage?
              10. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 17: 48 New
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                It has, because it contradicts the laws of nature. Homosexuality is degeneration. Any normal person cannot justify degeneration. And you seem to have mixed up society and the herd.
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                Homorases have no rights and dignity?
                “Any normal person cannot justify degeneration.” - Are abnormal people living in Europe and the USA? Who gave you the right to judge people?
              12. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 17: 58 New
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                They have the right to do intimately whatever they want. But their freedom ends where mine begins. Or yours.
              13. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 18: 01 New
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                If you want to contact me on "YOU" write with a capital letter, I do not mind and just you.)))
                Why did you call Americans and Europeans abnormal?
              14. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 03 New
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                For excessive political correctness, which runs counter to common sense. Minorities cannot be infringed, but indulging them is not the best option.
              15. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 18: 08 New
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                Anything that contradicts your ideology is bad?
              16. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 19 New
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                I am outside of any ideology and, accordingly, do not impose anything on anyone. Own religious beliefs including. There are universal values ​​tested by time - so to speak, an algorithm for the survival of a person as a species.
              17. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 18: 32 New
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                The survival algorithm prescribes to reduce the population, homorases are one way.
                You have an ideology and you are imposing it on me.)))
              18. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 38 New
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                You confuse personal opinion and ideology. Ideology is a combination of systematic ordered views that expresses the interests of various social classes and other social groups. I, in this case, speak only on my own behalf, on the basis of my own opinion on certain issues
              19. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 18: 44 New
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                It is impossible to speak on your own behalf on the basis of ideology?
                You are repeating the ideology that has been beaten to us since the 80s. Liberal, only because of everyday homophobia without homorases.
              20. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 56 New
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                You are mistaken. The Communist ideology, from every iron in the 7/24 mode, was intrusively driven into the heads. After such a vaccination, any ideology causes a gag reflex.
              21. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 19: 03 New
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                Tell me what's wrong with her? What do you dislike about free education and medicine?
              22. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 19: 15 New
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                Really like it. True and free education, affordable and quality medicine, there are still in many countries, which are called capitalist. Without any boring ideologies. Moreover, the quality of this medicine, in particular, and the social sphere as a whole, is much higher than in the "country of the victorious proletariat." I am silent about the availability of goods and services in general.
              23. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 19: 23 New
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                Do you care about the quality of life?
                To give me the youngest to school in 1st grade, I don’t know which one. 10 years ago there was no such problem. Under capitalism, there is no normal education. ((((
                There is no security.
                "in particular, the social sphere as a whole, is much higher than in the" country of the victorious proletariat "" - do you compare today or with the 80s?
                "True and free education, affordable and high-quality medicine, there are still many countries that are called capitalist. Without any boring ideologies" - name such countries.
              24. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 19: 41 New
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                Of course, under capitalism there is no normal education. True, the vast majority of Nobel laureates, for some reason, from kapstran. Some kind of paradox. Safety? If you are talking about terrorism, then this is a global problem, if about everyday street crime, then 40 years ago it was much higher. Probably you have not heard about youth criminal groups in Kazan, Leningrad?
                Which countries do not impose any ideology as a state and have a decent social sphere? Finland, Denmark, Belgium, Canada. You can continue this list. And compared to us in the 80s, they lived much better. Yes, by the way, I recommend, all the same, to refer to strangers to “you”, these are the rules of good form, we are not in the same barracks.
              25. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 19: 50 New
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                The Nobel Peace Prize received Barack Obama. This prize is given to anyone.))))
                "Finland, Denmark, Belgium, Canada." - Do they know that they don’t have an ideology?)))) In Canada, it’s definitely Bandera.
                “And compared to us in the 80s they lived much better” - what is better?
                "Yes, by the way, I recommend, all the same, to strangers to contact" you ", these are the rules of good form, we are not in the same barracks. - Literate people know that “You” must be capitalized. secondly, I’m quite democratic, please contact me on “you”, and not as it should be, “Your Excellency”.
              26. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 20: 10 New
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                According to Wikipedia, "in writing, the pronoun" you ", addressed to a particular interlocutor, in CERTAIN cases is capitalized" Apparently, the case here is uncertain. Bandera Canada? This is something new, bravo! Like Nazi Argentina, since it has a solid German diaspora?
                Number of Nobel Laureates: USA - 380
                USSR + Russia - 31.
                More than an order of magnitude.
                Even if you remove the "Peace Prize" and the like.
                And ahead, with a decent margin, are the completely capitalist Germans, the British and the French.
              27. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 20: 28 New
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                If Wikipedia said, then TRUE.
                I tell you about the Russian language, and you refer to non-Russian Wikipedia.
                Mendeleev, like Tolstoy, Chekhov, Gorky did not receive a Nobel Prize.
                Mendelev is not worthy?
                They didn’t give the Queen, for the first nuclear power station and the atomic icebreaker, blood transfusion, for a lot of which they did not. Give those who order music.
                USA is an evil empire. US occupiers Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq.
                The United States dropped atomic bombs on peaceful cities. The United States used chemical weapons in Vietnam on an industrial scale.
                USA - scum.

                "Bandera Canada" - support Banderas, which means Banderas, without options. What is your option?
              28. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 20: 44 New
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                The Swedes give the Nobel, not the Americans.
                The United States is a country from which we should learn to profit from geopolitics. Learning is not shameful and the enemy. And then we squandered and squandered solid money to support all kinds of banana republics, without receiving, as a rule, profit. Too good, and at the expense of their own people.
                We, too, supported Palestinian and other Arab terrorists, now we are backfired. However, as the United States.
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                I don’t want to learn how to kill people from the USA, I won’t be happy when our country kills civilians. I also do not want to study destroying countries for money. To kill children so that the oligarchs get rich and I’ve got a bit too much. In Hell.
                USA is an evil empire. Joyful of her current collapse. Many lives will be saved.
                Yes, it’s better to be kind than fascist like Americans.
                "We also supported Palestinian and other Arab terrorists," - did Yasser Arafat, who we support, have not received the Nobel Peace Prize?
                In Belgium, it’s so good, they did a good job of genocide in the Congo. When will they return the stolen blacks back to Africa? And pay for the genocide.
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        "Finland, Denmark, Belgium, Canada. You can continue this list." - Today, just the happy Belgian hard workers in Belgium are demanding a reduction in the retirement age and the return of social benefits, as it doesn’t work out with capitalistic happiness.
  • depressant 26 January 2020 11: 41 New
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    Mestny’s colleague, the “eternal unsatisfied evil theft”, although implicitly, was carefully cultivated by the central authorities in Soviet society in order to educate at least a part of the people in petty-bourgeois philosophy as a pillar of future betrayal of the country, a change in the political system. And "hunger" was created artificially. Despite the fact that many of the "unfamiliar" of the people did not become "evil thieves." On the other hand, the invaders in the 91st remained the bearers of the "eternally unsatisfied evil theft", which has led the country into a dead end to the present moment, requiring an urgent change of government. After all, viciously thieves can do nothing but steal. I hope that the new government will not be carried away by “planning, timing, effecting” and other ersatz of the modern management culture, and, using the widest possibilities of computer technology, it will draw up a solid, reliable development plan for the country for the coming years and will strictly follow it, only slightly correcting it in changing conditions in accordance with force majeure.
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    I am a production man. Young people come, they know their rights, they shake, but they forget about their duties. You begin to demand their execution, in response you only hear.
    - Yes, I’m in court, but in the prosecutor’s office.
    Some naughty ones do not linger for a long time.
    Adult cadres are obedient, but aging is leaving, and young people are getting worse and worse. Fortunately, I’ll retire soon.
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      I am a production man. Young people come, they know their rights, they shake, but they forget about their duties. You begin to demand their execution, in response you only hear.
      - Yes, I’m in court, but in the prosecutor’s office.

      But what about the probationary period ????? Or are they smooth and fluffy for three months, and then they begin to condense?
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      Maybe they should be interested in somehow? Not an honorary diploma, but for specific abilities and work?
      And if they are not capable of anything - why then take it?
      There is no USSR, a crowd of idlers - experts in football and government in the smoking room is not needed.
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        A colleague, not so long ago I had a chance to read how our modern specialists arrived in England in order to learn from one of the factories the experience of managing core production. And the first thing they saw there was a huge booth with photographs of leading workers with comments like "this is to whom we all owe our well-being." There was no end to surprise! )))
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    And just, just now, little can be explained.
    The difficulty of climbing .... I do not want to.
    Let's just say - we go through another time, another period of transformation. Not global, the principles are basically the same, cosmetic, structural, etc.
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    Very interesting article, thanks to the author.

    I have exactly the same observations about young generations and we have the same situation. I’ve been a private marketing consultant in the last 8 years and I can only add that the tastes of young people around the world in relation to products and advertising are also changing. What used to be rolled as an advertisement does not go now.

    Even Heineken, with their billions of budgets, began to shoot and video on the phone, mount and launch on the network. Young people appreciate the directness and honesty in the company’s communication with customers and do not tolerate show off and backwardness. And excellent support and product service is just the law, otherwise the company will end.
    1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 09: 54 New
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      "And the excellent support and service of the products is just the law, otherwise the company will end." -nonsense. It would be a cola and maykrasovki so great without theft, bribes and bribery. lies and buying up competitors.
      1. Mestny 26 January 2020 11: 50 New
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        Did they steal from themselves?
        The corporate spirit, a single team - everything that motivates to stick together and do a common thing, almost does not work for us, almost nowhere.
        The older our team is in age, the more noticeable - in case of injustice they will be silent, they will never speak together, in justice, they will maliciously poison those who were encouraged for a good job.
        Responsibility and initiative? No, they didn’t hear, let the authorities think.
        Where is it from? Is it not from the Soviet brigade? Is it from the zone?
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          "Did they steal from themselves?" - who is the owner of cola and mikrosovok? Its only a cache, but not a share in the business.)))
          "Responsibility and initiative? No, not heard, let the authorities think." - bull's-eye))))
  • hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 09: 51 New
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    Article is nonsense.
    I am young, it means ingenious and they should pay me as much as I need. I go to work when I want and all the old-timers should adapt to my schedule of desire to go to work.
    Why do I need to know something and learn when the Internet is at hand.
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      I am young, it means ingenious and I have to pay as much as I need


      Colleague .. :) You judge too harshly. I am 50 and I really see that young people, I mean those who are well educated, are better educated than my generation and I.

      They had the opportunity to learn everything. to the world, their world-wide is wider. They have several specialties and speak 2-3-4 languages.

      I go to work when I want and all the old-timers should adapt


      You see, they are just different. And because our time is running out and there is no need to adapt to us. Soon the world will be in their hands ... laughing
      1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 10: 15 New
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        I have not seen such people (((When I talk about the red diploma of my daughter’s master’s program, I add: “if she has a red diploma, then the industry’s kapets”)))) This is enough to be smarter than everyone at her work)))
        The boys are of course better with the knowledge of technology, but they cannot surprise me with their knowledge, I already heard it, I know it)))
        "You see - they are just different. And because our time is running out" - there is nothing new. I read all the latest robots and stuff and in Young Technique and TM in the 80s. Over the past 30 years, nothing new. (((Level of space flight, nuclear power plants.
    2. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 12: 16 New
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      If a specialist copes with the duties assigned to him, then no matter when he came to work, and when he left, there are positions in which you can work in general by distance. Again, it doesn’t matter where he got this knowledge from: from the head or from the Internet - the main thing is that the task is completed. No need for a person to count in a column when a calculator is at hand. Payment - strictly according to the results of work, and not according to the number of hours spent. And do not project the cave methods of organizing production to the present - the times have come. Actually about this and this article.
      1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 12: 38 New
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        Other specialists should sit at work 24/7 and wait for the "genius" to come and can I solve the problems?
        “that the task has been completed.” - and if he could complete 100 tasks for this salary and time instead of 1 with knowledge in his head, and not the Internet.
        “You don’t need to demand from a person to count in a column when there is a calculator at hand” - in order to read the perimeter or area on a calculator, you need to know what it is and how it is counted.
        One and questions in our questionnaire. Many leave seeing him.))))
        "other times have come" - what's new? what are other times?
        By the fact that now I can hang a camera on every employee and see what he is doing wrong?
        Book of Ecclesiastes
        9 What was, it will be; and what has been done will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.
        10 There is something about which they say: “look, this is new”; but this was already in the centuries before us.
        11 There is no memory of the former; and what will happen will not be remembered by those who come after.
        1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 13: 08 New
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          If the employee is not able to deliver the result accurately and on time, then he does not correspond to the position held. And the specialist should not cope with a hundred tasks - his job is to fulfill his own responsibilities. How he does it does not matter.
          1. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 13: 47 New
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            Are you an alien?
            Where to fire a person for failure to fulfill obligations.)))
            I talked about 100 tasks instead of one, if you sit in the workplace.
            "How he does it does not matter." - Do all departments and employees work separately in the organization? This is where such organizations are funny?))))))

            the issue of digitalization of the organization is aloof, but it does not channel to wait until a person wakes up at 12 and answers the question asked at 8.30.
            1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 14: 04 New
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              100 tasks instead of one, according to official duties - this is a question for the competence of those who organized the production process. Yes, there are positions in which the personal presence of a specialist in the workplace is necessary. But there are plenty of jobs that you can work remotely. My son works as a programmer, his task is to give out a certain piece of code, how he will do it, nobody cares. He can work at night, at home, in the country, in a coffee shop, with current communications this does not matter. Only one thing is important - to submit your product on time. Well, why should he sit out his pants at the workplace if he can do this work from anywhere in the world? This is true for many developers, designers, etc., etc.
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                the argument has reached an impasse.
                100% of employees can work in the organization?
                1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 14: 12 New
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                  Organization organization strife. My son has the headquarters of his office, generally located in Canada. And employees are all over the world.
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                    Should everyone work like a son’s office?
                    Your son works this way by taking away a job and a Canadian salary.
                    1. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 15: 43 New
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                      What a fright my son takes jobs from Canadians. He occupies his workplace, which he had enough education and qualifications. If my friend walks as a ship mechanic under the Panamanian flag, this does not mean that he has taken the Panamanian workplace — there are none of them in the crew — the crew is international.
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                        You’re ridiculous))))))) When do factories from the United States transfer to China the American workers where do they go? The Chinese do not take away American jobs?
                        "education and qualifications" - I received education at my expense, but works for a Canadian uncle, but I can’t find qualified workers in the Russian Federation.)))
                        An employer who makes money on your son’s low salary makes money. Well done.
                      2. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 16: 12 New
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                        And where did you get that uncle is Canadian? He is a Finn by nationality and nationality. And if you pay more than this Finn, which is unlikely, then you will be happy to have highly paid employees, including my son
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                        Capitalism in the yard. Why should I pay a lot?
                      4. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 16: 51 New
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                        So do not be surprised at the lack of skilled workers. Fish seeks where deeper, man seeks where better.
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                        This is how the Finn argues and hires rogue people from the Russian Federation; workers from India cannot afford him.
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                        There are only two from Russia. And wages are approximately equal, depending on qualifications. Like-minded team.
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                        Great, I'm glad for him.
                        But we are discussing a trend. Young people want money, not work.
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                        By itself. You won’t be fed up with the idea. Any enthusiasm must be supported financially.
                        And young people are different. There are boobies, there are smarties, there are lazy people, there are hard workers, nothing new, everything, as always. But, compared with us, the new generation is faster and more proactive.
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                        I am still proactive)))
                        In 1941, youth for what material goods were dying?
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                        In 1941, youth for what material goods were dying?

                        For the motherland. And now it will be, if that (do not give fate).

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                        I am still proactive

                        Judging by what you write - here other the word would fit yes
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                        For the Soviet power which gave them a good life. Education, work, faith in communism.

                        "Judging by what you write - another word would have come up here" - everyone thinks to the extent of their orientation.))))
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                        For the Soviet power which gave them a good life. Education, work, faith in communism

                        This is your interpretation, no more. They fought for their homeland, a little more than you listed there.

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                        “Judging by what you write, another word would have come up here” - everyone thinks to the extent of their orientation

                        Yes, you almost guessed. The word has to do with orientation. Not mine laughing
                      13. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 17: 50 New
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                        Why didn’t they fight in the Russian-Japanese and World War I for their Motherland?
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                        Why didn’t they fight in the Russian-Japanese and World War I for their Motherland?

                        And why did you decide that you did not fight? Even as they fought ...

                        Do not deviate far from the topic, flood is prohibited wink
                      15. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 18: 36 New
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                        Where is the Motherland, and where is Japan. Why was the first Russian revolution?
                        World War I, why the peasants of Constantinople? Is he their homeland?
                        The people fought for the USSR in the Great Patriotic War.
                        We are not distracted, everything is in the subject.
                        In the USSR, people could work for free, for the future, but now they don’t want to. Capitalist religion does not allow.
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                        We are not distracted

                        Well yes. You just a little storm laughing

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                        In the USSR, people could work for free, for the future, but now they don’t want to

                        I understand ... this is your nostalgia ...

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                        Why should I pay a lot?

                        good laughing good

                        Shah, I'm done with you. I'm tired of request
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                        I have something to compare. What does nastalgia have to do with it.
                        secondly, capitalism is over, and we must choose what is next.
            2. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 31 New
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              And what, everyone was so pleased with the power? They defended not power, but House. And a question for filling up: what power was defended on the Borodino field? At the forts of Sevastopol?
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              "They defended not power, but House." - did the workers own the house?)))))
              "What power did they defend on the Borodino field? At the forts of Sevastopol?" - The king, the anointed.
      2. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 28 New
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        For her homeland, she was dying, for the opportunity to live. For your home, relatives and friends. But this is force majeure. The fire in their own house is not extinguished for material wealth.
      3. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 18: 39 New
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        Industrialization? DneproGES, etc.
        Illiteracy in the villages to eliminate? Also for the good?
        They died for the USSR, for what he gave them, under the tsar there was none of this, and even now the majority will not have much.
      4. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 43 New
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        The USSR gave to someone, and took it from someone. Nevertheless, they died the same way.
        You want to say that before the Soviet period there was no heroism? You just spat in the memory of the soldiers who died on the battlefield. From the Battle of the Ice to our times.
      5. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 18: 46 New
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        This is what I spat? Justify.
      6. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 18: 53 New
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        The fact that, in your opinion, heroism is appropriate only when defending a political system, preferably a socialist one. The rest of the warriors wereted their heads, weren't they?
      7. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 19: 01 New
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        Why wasted. We fought for different things.
        Socialism destroyed the class of society by making everyone equal and gave everyone access to land, education, and medicine.
        Why heroically fought in the Russian-Japanese and World War I? Why did they lay down their heads? Why was heroism?
      8. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 19: 09 New
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        And how did everyone get this promised access to land? Or, as always, the Communists threw everyone? Under the slogan "Land - to the peasants" was meant the allocation of land to the peasants in the property, this is the eternal dream of the farmer. Well, where is this own land? Classification was destroyed in the USA in the 18th century and equality was proclaimed at the same time. Equality, but not equalization.
      9. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 19: 19 New
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        Are you in the topic of land or will I rub the Western model? "to the peasants in property, this is the farmer’s eternal dream" - this is western crap.
        The distribution of land in Russia was communal. The peasants asked to take the land from the master and the church and give it to those who work on it, and the community itself will figure out whom and how much. The peasants received the land from the Bolsheviks forever. In the 90s, farmers dismantled it and gave it to Grudinin))))

        “Estates were destroyed in the United States back in the 18th century and equality was proclaimed at the same time.” - Until the 1960s, blacks traveled to places of color for equality.)))) Is it possible to get a high-quality black man in the USA today? )))))))
      10. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 19: 58 New
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        In the ownership of the peasants asked for land, in the property. A common land is nobody’s land, with a corresponding attitude to it. Agriculture is a rural Boss. They got land forever in 1917, and took it to collective farms in the late 20s? This is undoubtedly forever. Moreover, the results of labor on this earth were either squeezed free of charge, that is, for nothing, then at bargain prices. Happy, so to speak.
      11. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 20: 09 New
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        Start reading from the 1861 reform, what and how much who received, and what they wanted.
        Then, about the causes of the revolution in 1905, what and how many received, and what he wanted.
        Then why did the Stolypin reform on the issue of land in the property did not go.
        Further read what collective farms are and why they are needed.
        Read about the famine in the United States in the 30s and where did the farmers there. How many millions died of starvation and to whom the land of the owners went. A bunch of fiction. Bunches of Wrath, for example. How the state helped them.
        Maybe we'll talk later. I'm just tired of listening to perestroika nonsense, education in the Russian Federation is paid. Pay and I will tell you.

        “Yes, and the results of labor on this land were then squeezed free of charge” - in return they gave tractors, cars, clubs, agronomists, schools with teachers. Labor productivity increased and most of the peasants went to the factories.
      12. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 20: 19 New
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        I read Steinbeck, read. I read and thought, where did every farmer get his own car, tractor?
        And the Stolypin reform did not go forward only for one reason - opposition from above. According to this reform, in my small homeland, in Novgorod, a lot of people left for Siberia, for their land, and many, including my relatives, for a farm, again for their land.
        They rushed to the factories with hunger, just like my great-grandfather from the village to the railroad. And they envied him. You won’t be fed up with collective farm workdays, at least until the end of the 30s.
      13. hhhhhhh 26 January 2020 20: 31 New
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        I'm just tired of listening to perestroika nonsense, education in the Russian Federation is paid. Pay and I will tell you.
      14. AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 20: 49 New
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        Seriously? And my children, all three did not even know and graduated from universities on a budget. That is free. And more recently. Maybe because they studied at school and didn’t drop off?
        And I recently had surgery on the ankle. Costly. Also free. Qualitatively done, no questions asked. I had to buy apartments. But then they are mine, their own.
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    Youth wants money, not work

    Um ... and you are eager to work for free? What can you do? Maybe someone will be interested wink
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    the question is not free, but competency. Training is at my expense. In the Middle Ages, students studied for free for several years.
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    Training is at my expense

    This is with what a fright? Are you a philanthropist? belay
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    How many months will you work without a salary while you learn to work on the "machine"?
  • Golovan Jack 26 January 2020 17: 59 New
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    How many months have you ...

    Man, you’ve been on the site for 6 years, but you didn’t understand that on “you” - only with close friends ... this is so, by the way.

    Once again the question is - with what fright did you decide that

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    Training is at my expense

    Why - for yours? Are you a philanthropist? Or what?
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    I’ve been on the Internet since 1997, contact me "His Excellency" and is suitable for my social status.)))
    Seriously, everyone is equal on the Internet. I never demand "you" to me whatever. If you deserve with your speeches I will be here and in life on you and in real life. despite your age and social status.
    I consider the appeal of "you" on the Internet to be earned, I'm trying to do it.)))) With varying degrees of success.
    "Why - for yours? Are you a philanthropist? Or what?" - but in another way. Where is interesting in the Labor Code there is an article that a person can be at work without a salary? Even the student. But a person immediately demands a full salary, saying I know everything and can do everything, but it turns out near the machine, but I only saw those in the movies, and most likely did not see, but heard. And get two months of payment.))) If he is stupid and does not learn, the next one.))))
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    Yes, even if they just pay me money. But I can already do almost everything, and electricity
    to get and create a mechanism, and write a verse, and draw a picture, play guitar and bring up children. I am silent about the fact that I can charm your girl. And you will watch young and learn how to do this. You’ll say, I’ll accidentally ..
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    Finn hires beggars from the Russian Federation, workers from India can not afford it

    This ... more careful cornering, please.

    By the way, the fact that Indians are all cool class programmers is a myth. And the fact that they are expensive is just three haha ​​... don’t write better about what you don’t know.
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    "Hindus are all pretty cool programmers - it's a myth." - Russian programmers are the most)))) he himself)))
    There are many Indian programmers, which means there are more cool programmers among them, we have some show-offs.
    Did you hire programmers from India?
  • Golovan Jack 26 January 2020 17: 53 New
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    Did you hire programmers from India?

    I drove them. Rare sucks negative

    The expression “through the code ran a herd of Indians” refers to the winged.

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    there are many Indian programmers, which means there are more cool programmers among them

    Yeah. And if the monkey is given a typewriter, then for 1000 years she will write "War and Peace." Himself not funny?

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    we have some show off

    I already noticed that yes
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    "Rare sucks" had to be taken more expensive))))
    "Not funny yourself?" - If the institute enters, conditionally, 100 per year for programmers, how many per year will be good for the fifth year? 5 people. It's in Russia. India can afford 5 out of 1000. Their lard us 160 million and who more?
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    "Rare sucks" had to be taken more expensive))))

    Um ...

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    Capitalism in the yard. Why should I pay a lot?

    This is exactly what the people who hired them reasoned about. I did not hire, I tried to use them as intended laughing

    I repeat once again - a rare sediment. Although - already from Bangalore itself, the Silicon Valley of theirs ... but slud-o-o-ooo laughing
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    we need more specialists. You know how to program, open a circle at school.)))
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    we need more specialists. You know how to program, open a circle at school

    Um ... for your money - any whim (s). But I'm expensive, I warn you right away laughing

    By the way, and "you" - who is this? Are you a philanthropist? wink
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    nude nude, dear and past.)))
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    Is it a shame for your Motherland or are you ready to sell it for a barrel of cookies and a basket of jam?
    As in the 20s, Komsomol members eliminated illiteracy, eliminate computer illiteracy.
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    How in the 20s Komsomol eliminated illiteracy, eliminate computer illiteracy


    Sorry ... buddy laughing
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    I'm serious. I urge everyone if you know how to do something well. Get a replacement. Our generation will leave and there will be a collapse in many sectors ((((Our generation is half-educated, but we graduated from the conscientious school and institutes. Beware, the USE generation is coming))))
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    There was no such censorship in the scoop.
    It's funny when such people scold the scoop and then another's opinion is banned.)))
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    You are the answer to the question of who wrote 2 million denunciations in 1937))))
  • AU Ivanov. 26 January 2020 20: 26 New
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    They do not teach at universities "to a programmer" They give a basis - and then only self-study. If, of course, you want to be in demand by a specialist, and not write "Hindu code"
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    Share the experience. Do not be like Stalin, leave a replacement.))) Teach two students.
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    Andrew! Tomorrow everything will rise, and you have knowledge from the Internet. And the Internet will rise, and there will be no calculator. , you can’t get gas, and the gas in the lighter will run out. Can you get fire, or will you eat each other?
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      If I learned something from the network, then I remembered it. What difference does it come from: from a book or from the Internet?
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    They told him: “We don’t care what to sell, machines or a butt, the difference is small

    Obviously the kids were knowledgeable - to freeze it.
    Example. Sell, for example, design and survey work. The scope of work, in addition to depending on the introductory one, is also determined by a good hundred regulatory documents. I saw organizations that were pouring in because of such illiterate "sales people" who, not being able to estimate the real volume and the real cost of the requested work, made unprofitable sales - one by one, promising with a light heart to the customer what was in their right mind no one would promise by signing up for tender documentation, which, in the legal sense, turns your company into a powerless vassal. Etc. etc.
    Sometimes you work with a contractor from year to year, and then at one point you call him, and he is no more - the "sales people" have finished.
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      knowing were kids - to freeze it

      And another example. An "Internet marketer" sits, selects search queries, after which he wants to show his ad. Stupidly hammers there the standards by which the contractor should work, not realizing that there is no sense in looking for these standards for the customer. He also has no idea that if someone ordered the work of A, then he will soon need to do more B and C, and it would be nice for such a user to send advertisements to B and C. And so on and so forth, nuances lots of. "Salesman" does not know the structure of his product, does not understand where it comes from, and therefore is not able to sell effectively.
      My decision was to send a production engineer to this front, who knows what he is doing from side to side, giving him (as a technical specialist) an online salesman. The latter simply explained to the engineer the list of existing tools, and how to use these tools was already decided by the production worker, setting the tasks for his “marketing technician”. It turned out pretty well.
    2. dali 26 January 2020 15: 41 New
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      "sales" have finished

      I agree, such "geniuses" that we don’t need to be allowed to sell for a cannon shot ...

      shl
      If there are such in nature that it’s just “geniuses in the flesh”.
      Now tell me, how many geniuses nature gives birth to, and whether there are enough of them for sales people.
  • evgen1221 26 January 2020 10: 20 New
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    Here is the question? Is there a large company in Cyprus that makes computer games online. In one game you need to fasten monetization and in general advertising. I am a simple person who plays this game and I have ideas on how and which sponsors to bring into the game, and they themselves will be happy to insert their rekdam into the game, because online and the audience allow you to expand sales uphill. But I'm not an employee of the game, not an employee of sponsors, not an advertising agent, I just have a trouble-free plan for advertising and monetization in my favorite game. The question is how and for how much you can sell the idea of ​​the company to igrodelo?
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      The question is how and for how much you can sell the idea of ​​the company to igrodelo?

      No one is buying ideas today. Buy developments, teams, implementation, etc. - and nobody needs ideas.
      The same idea of ​​Uber - not the creators of Uber came up with the first idea, dozens of companies tried it, but it turned out with Uber. It was not an idea, but persistence in implementation.
      And yes, if you think your idea is unique - I advise you to search on the Internet, with a high degree of probability it has already occurred to someone. I'm serious.
  • Professor 26 January 2020 10: 22 New
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    And one retired colonel also leads one, and he also does not have a computer on the table.

    I know one retired colonel leading the country, so he not only does not have a computer, but also doesn’t have a mobile phone ...
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      Why are you letting this go into a puddle? Can't you do it without filth, do you show your rotten inside again?
  • G⁣e⁣o 26 January 2020 10: 23 New
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    the owner of the company prevents me from earning him the same money just because he does not know what SEO advertising is
    Well, it’s good that he doesn’t know, because in the yard today is 2020, and not 2010, and Seo tools have ordered a long life. Why learn something about obsolete technology?
  • Alsur 26 January 2020 10: 42 New
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    colles quasi .. In my opinion, the conflict between generations lies in the habit of the older ones to look down on the younger generation and in the desire of the younger ones to assert themselves

    I do not agree somewhat. Today, before a new generation, completely different problems of survival than before previous generations. The way of life is changing rapidly. Tasks are becoming more complicated. The skills of previous generations are not in demand.

    You’re ridiculous, even in ancient Egypt there were the same problems, some 5-7 thousand years ago. And you say that the global difference between generations is now. Some special generation has grown up, you may not believe it, but this extraordinary generation, which is very different from the 90s, is already being replaced by an even more special one. This is the cycle of life.
  • IQ12NHJ21az 26 January 2020 13: 08 New
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    Fathers and children are an eternal topic. I think there are many reasons for the misunderstanding of each other by both sides. And the “blessed 90s” that formed the older generation of businessmen is just one of them. The speed of scientific and technological progress has grown significantly over the past 40 years. 30 years ago, we all learned how to use “mobile phones”, and those who are 50 and those who are 25. Now, then twenty-five, they are 55, and all these years we have only been doing the retraining from some “gadgets” and “devices” to others, and those who are now 25 with this. For them, the smartphone and the Internet are part of life, the mandatory part is not for us! Try to pick up a smartphone from young people - there was a person and no person. And “looking from above” at youth — our fathers also looked at us — and nothing. There is one more factor. We were born and raised in the USSR under socialism, and youth under capitalism (or what we did). We have a different view of the future, we wanted to be builders, creators, the young as confident consumers, and this is also the difference in the feeling of life. And young people have a disregard for the experience of older generations - you did not have computers and the Internet.
  • sergo1914 26 January 2020 13: 38 New
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    I do not know. This difference allows me to receive a three-digit salary in my 52 years.
  • Andrey VOV 26 January 2020 14: 29 New
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    And I thought Shpakovsky article)))
    1. Aviator_ 26 January 2020 16: 12 New
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      The beginning is similar.
  • seacap 26 January 2020 14: 30 New
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    It seems that the author has problems with reserve officers and retired military men, the criterion of a poor leader is his retired colonel (p / p, mr, kn and further in the ranking), this is necessarily a swindler and a soldier, incapable of anything but scream and swear. It seems that the author has nothing to do with the army and draws his impressions and knowledge of the officers from the works of the 90s, when it was fashionable to spit on the uniform of his army, preferably in the back, or even in the face could be quickly and easily obtained. And it does not occur to me that the majority of officers have engineering degrees and, as a rule, associate their civilian lives in the technical field, having excellent skills in operating and maintaining the most advanced and innovative equipment, and not in the sewing business or spa. Possessing professional pedagogical and psychological training, experience in life and management in large groups, extensive experience in analytical work and planning, many become good teachers or scientific workers, and make a career in politics or public administration.
    , typical liberal liberal verbiage, without practical conclusions and suggestions, we will sell and advertise everything, the question is, who will produce and do what needs to be advertised and sold? Where are our queens, mendeleevs, kurchatovs, stakhanovs if several generations of “advanced users” have been stamped in the country for 30 years without honor and conscience, and there are only traders, bankers and lawyers on the labor market when recruiters graze in crowds across the country, in all universities - overseas, “standing on the ground” catching talented students and forwarding them to yourself, this is how to solve, rather than far-fetched and sucked from the finger problems of an offended, unappreciated, creative young man whose merit is his self, offended by a retired colonel, demanding order from him and execute it work efficiently, accurately and on time.
  • 2 Level Advisor 26 January 2020 14: 56 New
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    You know, the author, it’s more likely not a problem of generations, but whether a person is able to store and develop a business in his human qualities. What is and how does CRM, SEO, etc. the director may not really delve into it, if there is a competent deputy .. and greed with wild price markups, as in the article, also does not really depend on age .. And yelling at an employee among young people are no less willing ..
    But what exactly is the majority of youth, only after a university they immediately want to receive as a specialist with good experience .. for which, it is not clear ... but wants ..
    1. dali 26 January 2020 15: 49 New
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      But what exactly is the majority of youth, only after a university they immediately want to receive as a specialist with good experience .. for which, it is not clear ... but wants ..

      Yes, and it is ...
      But, in my opinion, the problem of Russian capitalism in the reluctance to pay normally for the work of YOUR qualified specialist is better to be hired from the outside ... and they’ll put it in their pocket ...
      And young people see this very well, and many simply lose the desire to get high qualifications, but there is a wildly great desire to become a boss, an effective manager, and generally just a manager ...
      1. 2 Level Advisor 27 January 2020 08: 53 New
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        So this is the problem that everything is needed at once .. And the fact that the best protection against unemployment and the basis of a good salary, high qualification, the majority do not think of this youth .. And that life on Instagram is an illusion. I was present recently during a conversation with a young girl (23), she is sure that the income of families in our far-off Stavropol is at least 150t for the majority, and if the salary is 30-40t it means a leftist is good, because you will not live on them ... and one of the arguments were, look at instagram how everyone lives.
        You are mostly right about salaries, but it happens that I got a normal approach — how much I earned — how much I received, unfortunately this is an example of just a few of my friends, but it also exists .. What is significant is that their offices are growing and prospering and almost everything is based on the Labor Code .. But if a weak employee easily flies out .. And their bosses plow more workers.
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          And the fact that the best protection against unemployment and the basis of a good salary, highly qualified, does not think most of this youth ..

          This is not so with us. Alas.
          1. 2 Level Advisor 27 January 2020 09: 37 New
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            Often, yes .. but who will find a job faster, with qualifications or without? I don’t take the device according to the "blat" about this speech did not go, another story .. I mean a normal office with a normal approach, there are also enough of these, I assure you.
            1. Mikhail3 27 January 2020 09: 56 New
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              I know. The problem is that even the “normal” office inevitably comes into conflict with the pros. Professional execution of work with us always comes into conflict with "business interests". So they are with us, these are our business interests, what you should do not as it should, but as you said. That is, your professionalism, which you want to advance in life, on which you have relied, is not just not needed, it is a hindrance. A professional can tolerate this for some time (although not everyone), but then inevitably breaks down. Our "car" is not going to professionalism at all ...
              1. 2 Level Advisor 27 January 2020 10: 15 New
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                It’s also true, there is such a place to be, although for me the main task is to fulfill the tasks, within the budget and on time, but how exactly is the person responsible and decides on their own. And if the management has enough time to climb constantly! in work processes is an indicator of their low level as a leader.
                Sometimes it happens as you correctly noted your vision at all for a specialist at all, but then probably he just outgrew the position of an artist and he should think about his business. Personally, I had just such a scheme.
  • Zheleznyak 26 January 2020 15: 43 New
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    Amiable millennium here, your examples, this is just a word that was used mainly to “earn” on fear ... and “earned” ..
    As for the generation: the quality of the material (talking about students) in terms of the maximum working capacity of the mind has fallen ....
    ..cause is fixable, there are methods and time - it’s been established that the human brain is finally formed somewhere + - 26 years old, and that is interesting for us, those who have Russian as their native language, and obviously other peoples, who have the language of culture , due to the long historical continuity of development, the greater potential for formulating the world, the period of the final formation of the mind on average is longer ...
    The main question is teachers who practically switched to English. For some reason - not least the deliberate expansion of the Anglo-Saxon subculture - which is fatal for the entire earthly civilization ...
    What to do? To drive these conductors of the Anglo-Saxon subculture into a degrading world - so on. Let them go to the Anglo-Saxons, and we will see how they will develop there ... that is, slowly die ... there are no examples ...
    1. dali 26 January 2020 16: 04 New
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      To drive these conductors of the Anglo-Saxon subculture into a degrading world - so on.

      Yes, it would be necessary to get rid of the Naglo-Saxon culture, but you can learn something from almost any culture, but you definitely need to get rid of the Naglo-Saxon culture!
  • Winnie76 26 January 2020 15: 48 New
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    IMHO there is no generational conflict. Concrete people have problems who do not know how to perceive opinions different from their own, who consider themselves smarter and more educated than others (often unreasonably)
    1. dali 26 January 2020 15: 58 New
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      IMHO there is no generational conflict. Concrete people have problems ...

      You are talking only about one side of the coin ... there will always be a dispute between generations, and this does not mean that it is bad!
  • Aviator_ 26 January 2020 16: 09 New
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    having learned more than one generation of advertisers and PR people since 1995,

    It would be more correct to write "piarasts"
  • saygon66 26 January 2020 19: 47 New
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    -Article is huge, red plus! At work he has the same story ... Two retirees lie at the helm ...
    - Used to live on a salary, but here it is necessary to bargain!
  • Radikal 26 January 2020 21: 02 New
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    Well, FIG knows how old the author is, but could not help feeling that it was Shpakovsky Vyacheslav Olegovich who wrote the article, or at least edited it.

    You, your feelings have not been deceived! hi
  • olimpiada15 26 January 2020 21: 48 New
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    I do not like today's youth. Torn away from life, with low moral standards, they do not understand what they are doing and what it will lead to. I hate advertising, stupid, lying. Life has become difficult, very.
    I need to buy something. I am looking for information on the assortment on the Internet, I learn about the features from specialists. Then I look where they sell it. And what does the advertisement have to do with it? While rummaging around on the Internet, obsessive windows closing the text, you start reading, interrupt, parasites. The second motto is never buy what they advertise. They go to their homes trying to get in for free, with a small surcharge that costs several times less than this surcharge. Advertising is harmful, it interferes and offends people. But you need to buy goods, reliable information is needed. Advertising leaves a feeling that rummaged in a pile of crap, time is running out, you need to comprehend, weed out. Advertising is immoral. Advertisers in my opinion are parasites. Would be engaged in useful work. Would produce quality goods. For the production of goods we need raw materials, equipment, it is also necessary to produce. Mechanisms need to be maintained, repaired. And this chain is long and expanding. And production would have appeared in the country. Produce high-quality goods in the country. They will be in demand. And the economy will grow. They don’t even realize that people need a lot of things for life and they need to do it themselves, in their own country, and look for suckers who flatter themselves on advertising promises not from great intelligence and greed suffer from beautiful deception. How good the Internet was, you could find a lot of interesting things. And now it’s not what you need that pops up for you, but what someone thought you should slip in. I read two more words, and five times refused the newsletter, and something else, and I scooped up a bunch of info-garbage. If someone brings garbage into the corridor, he will do a bad thing. Advertising is the same bad thing: it interferes, distracts, crawls into personal life. What are these advertisers living for? They produce garbage, and consume goods, and good ones. Let us produce good things, and not litter our brains.
    1. Selevc 27 January 2020 11: 24 New
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      I hate advertising, stupid, lying. Life has become difficult, very.
      Once in my life I believed in advertising - about 20 years ago I bought jeans at a very big discount ... I could not wear them later - they were made of some kind of crap harmful to the body ... Since then I have been living by the principle - Good product does not need advertising !!!
      In the post-Soviet space, the word Advertising and the word Scam are one and the same !!! And this is the merit of the current generation of effective managers !!! So to speak, our local flavor !!!
      1. Selevc 27 January 2020 11: 33 New
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        In fact, there is no generational conflict - there is an eternal conflict between those who work and those who type work ... And there is an eternal conflict between rukastnye and hand-worn ... And there is an old education system which actively produces the second type !!!
  • Mikhail3 27 January 2020 09: 24 New
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    One tiny little moment ... You see, dear author, "handouts from the administration" exceed all and all sorts of income worked out honestly. This applies to all your stories, from the first to the last. Millennials are nice guys ... but only in the 90s there were a lot of people capable of (and practically proved it) the creation of highly efficient industries and other businesses. Yes only...
    Not that type of economy was built by our state so that those who work can survive in it. This type of economy absolutely does not need a pro; the pros only interfere with it. Orders from us are received not by those who know how, but by those who need it. Under all these orders in various forms, state funding is taken, even under buttons. And quality, and speed, and accuracy, all this does not matter at all, completely, completely. Only the investor’s ability to receive state money matters, and that’s all. Still need to write some sort of report. All.
    In general, it will continue as always. Millennials are not at all ready for a “competition in Russian” (unlike the manufacturers of the 90s, they resisted for some time, although they died, of course), so the few businesses that they try to create with an emphasis on efficiency will be taken away from them . They were handed over to the children and grandchildren of the “old guard”, who brought such “competencies” from their foreign studies that the efficiency will not last a year, will be replaced by the usual seal for state orders, and an office with sneaks, and another “galey” who knows how to report compose and send by electronic mail. Alas...
  • Selevc 27 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    I hate advertising, stupid, lying. Life has become difficult, very.
    Once in my life I believed in advertising - about 20 years ago I bought jeans at a very big discount ... I could not wear them later - they were made of some kind of crap harmful to the body ... Since then I have been living by the principle - Good product does not need advertising !!!
    In the post-Soviet space, the word Advertising and the word Scam are one and the same !!! And this is the merit of the current generation of effective managers !!!
  • Seld 27 January 2020 13: 59 New
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    I am 64 years old, in 3 months 65. With computers since 1987. And I can teach some young people. But it's not that. It is also necessary to study at 65. Otherwise, you will lag behind. Due to the fact that I was able to use, in our family one of the first in 1994 appeared a computer. And the children learned to become two programmers. And now we have everyone’s wife with their own computer.


    and I'm not young either.
    I will say this to myself, for example: after 60, the human body does not work as it does after 25 years. From the word at all. And not for the better. This is how a person works in 9 out of 10 cases. And do not hide and be shy. Nobody canceled banal fatigue with age.
  • raif 28 January 2020 03: 10 New
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    The author writes on the subject of the "American Dream" pinched and misunderstood by the older generation. all his acquaintances are “millenniums” exceptionally talented gays with nuts in their ears and increased nervous sensitivity. I quit reading the article on 4 examples. I will give my example. two best friends have worked in the education system all their lives. one in the city of Magnitogorsk, the other in the district center near. About three years ago, at my request, they somehow with their teacher wives counted how many such gifted "sales people" and "managers" (as in the article) they know for 4-5 graduation classes, of course, taking into account their subsequent studies. without bothering with numbers - not one of about 450. and yet - in 2018, the girl graduated from an architectural college in St. Petersburg with a "red" diploma. and another 21 of her classmate out of 25. The author is sure that this generation will make Russia prosperous? three times "ha!" one trade (judging by article) does not raise the country.
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    Typical examples of the Peter Principle! Read it, enjoy it! Only in this article do people remain in place, reaching their level of incompetence, without advancement or promotion. And all useful work is done by individuals who have not reached their level of incompetence.
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    Nowadays, times and technologies are changing so quickly that what used to be the key to success - the experience of generations, strict discipline, etc. - often becomes a brake on development. Not always and not everywhere, but nonetheless. And you need to get used to it, see these situations and adequately respond to them, otherwise nothing good will come of it. There is a shortage of personnel, and here all the qualified young people know a foreign language, or even several, plus globalization and the possibility of remote work .. and to limit them to freedom of choice is unrealistic, and is it necessary? The conclusion is to create comfortable working and living conditions for them so that they wouldn’t want to change anything radically (or rather, the process of these changes would be evolutionary, natural and positive) ... because they best protect the homeland in which it is good (not rich, but it is comfortable, it is a broader concept that includes the state of mind and intellect, the possibility of healthy self-realization) to live ...
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      really qualified youth (not counting the managers from the article) - a fraction of a percent. and most of it will not work in the production sector in Russia; they dream of working abroad. and they will defend their homeland - developing new software for drones in Silicon Valley. for it is comfortable for them where they pay better, patriotism for them is outdated as a concept
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    Nonsense. All that is acquired by "overwork", the children will let them down - this is a sociological law. And the "millenniums" are not able to create something in the ashes. The environment has changed a lot: "forget what you were taught at school, forget about deduction and induction, give products," this is not about them.
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    How everything is familiar ... well, this jamb is decided by time. About 50 years later, all those who rode in 90 and 00 will transfer everything to control their dumb-headed diving ducks (80 percent) and they will all prosper safely - and in their place a "layer" of businessmen living for more than one day will form ...
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    They are different and this and that generation. The author as an infantile loader decided to divide everything into white and black. I will say this, the bulk of the generation of the "millennium" is the "effective" managers who will ruin any successful business. As for the "dinosaurs", those who were random or incapable for a long time in the cemetery or survived but let everything go ... But with the surviving surviving millennium hamsters raised in imported "greenhouses" it is better not to meet, on the "battlefield"