Pacific Leopards: Empire's Broken Sword


Given the strategic importance of the Far East for Russia and its proximity to the major naval powers (USA, Japan and China), the Pacific the fleet a special role is assigned in ensuring the security of not only the eastern borders of the country, but also of Russia as a whole.


Of course, the main task of the Pacific Fleet is to maintain the combat readiness of units and subunits, especially strategic nuclear forces. At the same time, it is significantly removed from the industrial centers of Russia and the largest transport hubs, which directly affects its combat effectiveness. In this article, the author analyzed the real state of multipurpose nuclear submarines of the most remote fleet of Russia, the backbone of which at the beginning of the zero years was 6 MAPLs of the 971th project "Pike-B", which without exaggeration was the most successful project for the whole history domestic submarine shipbuilding. The first boat of the 971th project received the name "Bars", which became a household name for this series of submarines. It was on the “Barca” that were assigned the tasks of anti-submarine warfare.

The basis of combat readiness is a well-established repair. According to regulatory documents, the ship can only be operated for a certain period. For a nuclear submarine, this period is 10 years. After this period, the ship is required to carry out an average repair. In the absence of such repairs, the ship must be decommissioned. Between medium repairs, as a rule, a technical readiness restoration procedure is carried out, which is exclusively a repair procedure. A ship comes to the restoration of technical readiness, the further operation of which is unacceptable for various reasons - wear or emergency condition of systems and mechanisms. The task of the plant is to restore all systems to a condition suitable for operation. If this is not possible, ensure nuclear and radiation safety of the order. Despite these requirements, “Barca” was exploited a lot and intensively, without going through the average repairs prescribed by the regulations.

The Pacific Fleet included 6 MAPLs of the 971st project (the year of entry into operation is indicated in brackets): Barnaul (1988), Sperm Whale (1988), Bratsk (1989), Narval (1990), “ Kuzbass "(1992)," Samara "(1995). Moreover, Kuzbass and Samara include an improved version of the project 971.

K-263 Barnaul in 1998 was withdrawn from the permanent readiness forces in anticipation of an average repair. The ship was used as a source of spare parts and was located in the waters of the Far Eastern Plant Zvezda OJSC in Big Stone. The Barnaul MAPL did not wait for an average repair; in June 2018, the Neftegaz-55 vessel of the Primorsky branch of the FSBI Morspasluzhba carried out the towing of the MAPL from Bolshoy Kamen Bay to Chazhma Bay, where it was disposed of in the PD-41 floating dock together with SSV-33 "Ural".

K-322, “Sperm whale” in 2003 in the dock “Zeya” was transferred and delivered to the workshop of the FSUE “Amur Shipbuilding Plant” in the city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur for an average repair. In fact, work has not been carried out all this time, and the ship was used as a source of spare parts. 09.10.2019/2020/3 “Sperm Whale” was withdrawn from the Pacific Fleet, excluded from the lists of the Navy. In XNUMX, according to the contract placed by Rosatom, Sperm Whale will be disposed of. Its disposal is planned to be carried out at the location in PJSC Amur Shipbuilding Plant, followed by transportation of the XNUMX-compartment unit along Amur to a long-term storage facility.


K-331 "Narwhal" by the order of the commander of the Pacific Fleet dated March 14.03.2001, 01.11.2019 was given the name "Magadan", which was not official due to the fact that the name of the ship was assigned only by order of the commander-in-chief of the Navy (06363/2012/2018 the name "Magadan" was officially assigned by order of the commander-in-chief of the Navy submarine project 2019). The reason for the renaming was patronage, which, due to the inability of the state to properly maintain the fleet, consisted in the provision of humanitarian assistance. In those years, mainly food was brought to ships. Since XNUMX, Narval has been in the waters of Far East Plant Zvezda OJSC in Bolshoi Kamen, pending average repairs. Only at the end of XNUMX, “Narwhal” was delivered to the boathouse of the plant. In the second half of XNUMX, according to the shipyard’s press service, MAPLs were being diagnosed and equipment dismantled.


K-391 Bratsk arrived in 2003 at OJSC Northeast Repair Center in Vilyuchinsk and was in the water area of ​​the enterprise awaiting repair. The contract for the repair of the technical condition with the extension of the overhaul life was concluded between the Ministry of Defense and the enterprise in 2011. However, the contract was not executed due to uncertainties in the actual volume of work performed, including the lack of a part of the equipment to be repaired on the ship, in connection with its dismantling by personnel before setting up for use on other MAPLs of this project.

In 2014, the K-391 Bratsk and K-295 Samara were transported by the Dutch company on the TransShelf dock from the Far East to Severodvinsk by the Northern Sea Route for the purpose of their repair and modernization at Project 971M to Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center JSC ”, As well as two of the same type of MAPL of the Northern Fleet:“ Leopard ”and“ Wolf ”. However, after the troubleshooting, they simply stand at the wall of the enterprise in anticipation of being placed in the boathouse, which will take place no earlier than the withdrawal of Leopard or Wolf. At the same time, information was circulated in the media about the possible leasing of K-295 Samara to India. At the same time, there is currently no reliable information confirming the implementation of this contract.



K-419 "Kuzbass" today is the only combat-capable ship of this type in the Pacific Fleet. Since 2009, K-419 has been on the restoration of technical readiness at Far East Plant Zvezda OJSC (Bolshoi Kamen). The delivery of the ship was repeatedly postponed, the Main Military Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation revealed fraud in the implementation of the state contract, criminal proceedings were instituted on the facts of abuse committed during the repair of the Kuzbass MAPL. Only in 2016 did MAPL Kuzbass return to the Pacific Fleet.


Thus, in view of the failure to meet the deadlines for carrying out an average repair, two Bars are irrevocably withdrawn from the Pacific Fleet, three are waiting for an average repair, and only one is operational. Years go by, ships are getting older, becoming more obsolete ...
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  1. Uncle lee 4 January 2020 04: 54 New
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    and only one in the ranks
    And what about it none does not know ?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 January 2020 11: 18 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And what, nobody knows about this?

      The fact is well known - after all, this situation does not last the first year.
    2. Nike 4 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      Who must know he knows, BUT! when a country is ruled by citizens of other states, the result is logical.
      1. Dimonk 9 January 2020 02: 27 New
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        And from all zombie channels on the right and on the left, natural riches are being sold with boasting am And And they promise that we live perfectly, and we will be even better am am
    3. NordUral 6 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      They know that they know their business well, they have such a job, to destroy a country. And we have fairy tales and cartoons, so as not to blather.
  2. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 05: 27 New
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    Since 2009, K-419 has been on the restoration of technical readiness at Far East Plant Zvezda OJSC (Bolshoi Kamen). The delivery of the ship was repeatedly postponed, the Main Military Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation revealed fraud in the implementation of the state contract, criminal proceedings were instituted on the facts of abuse committed during the repair of the Kuzbass MAPL.
    And on the site they write completely different:
    Zvezda Plant is a complex, well-equipped complex with high technical and production potential, which allows high-quality and timely execution of work in all the main areas of the enterprise.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 4 January 2020 10: 17 New
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      I’ll just leave a link to the article “The case at the Zvezda DVZ in Primorye was initiated because of the Kuzbass nuclear submarine.” A criminal case was opened on the fact of fraud in the repair of the Kuzbass nuclear submarine (nuclear submarine) at the Zvezda Far Eastern Plant. Previously on similar charges, criminal proceedings were instituted against the two previous directors of Zvezda, which, according to observers, indicates that some more influential people use them in their own interests. "
      https://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=155966
      1. knn54 4 January 2020 12: 38 New
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        -Main alertness is a well-established repair.
        It’s easier and faster to make money on recycling.
      2. NordUral 6 January 2020 12: 08 New
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        On the horizon, neither surface nor underwater. And clear skies.
  3. Odysseus 4 January 2020 05: 44 New
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    Since officials and large owners in the Russian Federation are busy increasing capital for themselves and their clans with their further withdrawal abroad and an attempt to legalize, they are not going to fight with anyone, especially in the Pacific Ocean. Therefore, in reality, all the "big bosses" do not care about the state of the MAPL from the highest bell tower, the only little interest for the "middle managers" is drank money for repairs and upgrades if any are allocated.
    And so, well, 1 boat is left, so what. They won’t say anything about it on TV, so everything is in order.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 4 January 2020 14: 02 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      And so, well, 1 boat is left, so what. They won’t say anything about it on TV, so everything is in order.

      By the way, recently showed footage of the training attack K-419 Kuzbass from the Pacific Fleet.
      1. bayard 4 January 2020 22: 59 New
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        The saddest thing is that nothing equivalent is being prepared for replacing this MAPL, it is not being built, and (which is especially surprising) is not being designed. "Ash" can not be fully considered an analogue of the "Pike-B", it is rather an attack submarine - 40 KR in vertical mines, this obliges and introduces some restrictions in possible missions. So, “Ash” is unlikely to be used as a submarine for the military guard of the combat deployment area of ​​SSBNs ... Or in this case, their combat potential will be used only partially - in the case of military service they will be completely unclaimed.
        Hopes for an analogue of "Pike-B" at a new level in the form of a "Husky" seem to have evaporated - the announced sizes and displacement indicate that this will be another variation on the theme of "Ash" with a displacement of 12 - 000 tons. Again, this vicious desire to stuff in one ship everything that is in service.
        And we need hunters!
        Fast, quiet, sharpened to combat the enemy submarines and surface ships and having a missile system as an option with launch via torpedo tubes. With a displacement of not more than 8000 tons, as much as possible unified (primarily by GEM) with other ships in order to reduce prices and accelerate development, as well as to facilitate the organization of construction of a large series ...
        The naval forces have long been asking themselves exactly such MAPLs ... but in fact they could not even arrange the repair of the not-so-old Schuk-B ...
        Sad
        1. Vladimir1155 5 January 2020 19: 25 New
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          I agree, but this is now the task of NAPL
          1. bayard 5 January 2020 21: 30 New
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            Quote: vladimir1155
            tasks are now assigned to NAPL

            Well, let's say on the Pacific Fleet in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ... but just what kind of NPL?
            "Varshavyanki"?
            What is their underwater running on batteries and how long have they been able to barrage on it? How much does their speed and autonomy in the underwater position match the speed and duration of the SSBN database?
            They are still able to watch the straits and cover SSBNs at the exit from the base, but to guard in the database area ...
            Especially in the Arctic.
            In the Arctic, even launching submarines with air-independent power plants is risky.
            At the same time, we have not enough ordinary diesel engines.

            I think that after the modernization of the "Batons" and the completion of the "Ash" series, it is worthwhile to deal with multipurpose hunters. So you need to design them now.
            And if the underwater arsenals of the Kyrgyz Republic are so needed, then laying 4-6 Borey-Ks, all the more so since the decision to build 2-4 such cruisers has already been announced, will be much cheaper than riveting a dozen Ash-trees, and then they have not yet a smaller series of "Husky" - "Laik".

            And urgently need to solve something with the repairs.
            1. Vladimir1155 5 January 2020 22: 27 New
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              I agree with you
            2. timokhin-aa 5 January 2020 23: 08 New
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              I think that after the modernization of the "Batons" and the completion of the "Ash" series, it is worthwhile to deal with multipurpose hunters. So you need to design them now.


              But instead, there is a "bang" with OCD "Laika". Shortened "Ash", and according to fresh rumors, even without a water cannon. The concept of the 80s, which guarantees us the advancement even of the Chinese, with the lagging behind the United States, England and France, would not be forever.
              1. bayard 5 January 2020 23: 42 New
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                This is something new .
                About "Laika" declared 13 tons. Displacement, and this is about the same as the "Ash". They read a compact reactor with a metal primary circuit (lead-bismuth) ... and the CR in the UVP.
                And if this is a shortened "Ash", then in what place was shortened?
                If the section with UVP for the Kyrgyz Republic was excluded, then okay, they don’t need a hunter. KR can be pulled from TA. But to refuse a water cannon is silly.
                If we were to use the French experience with a telescopic rod-ejector in TA, for a silent (low-noise) launch of torpedoes ... repeat
                If Laika really turns out to be shortened by Ashen - without UVP and at the same time with a water jet, then this is exactly what the naval requested. This will be the desired hunter - the Shchyuki-B changer and the workhorse of the submarine fleet.
                After all, as many as ten have been planted “Ash-trees”, and “Boreev” up to a dozen, and given the upcoming modernized “Batons” and “Borei-K,” the fleet does not have exactly such shortened “Ash-trees”.
                If the reactor is still liquid metal, and therefore compact and low noise, then even having provided the bow entirely under the HAC and using oblique SLTs in the middle of the hull, the dimensions of the new submarine will come out approximately like that of the Shchuki-B. And these are just the desired parameters.
                So what can it be just for the mind that they took up at the headquarters of the sea?
                I would very much like that.
                1. timokhin-aa 5 January 2020 23: 51 New
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                  Shortened Ash is to the fact that the same SSGN is only shorter.
                  So it’s clear that another ship.

                  And this is not a "hunter" even once, although they will try to use it as such.
                  1. bayard 6 January 2020 00: 44 New
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                    Well, if we survive, we will see.
                    There is a lot of confusion and conflicting rumors about this boat, but it is the hunters who need it, the rest of the types have already been laid in sufficient quantities.
                    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 6 January 2020 12: 30 New
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                      Good afternoon bayardhi
                      Quote: bayard
                      I think that after the modernization of the "Batons"

                      Regarding the modernization of pr. 949A, the first of them, the Irkutsk nuclear submarine, will have to return to operation in 2021. Look at the history of this ship. Irkutsk was launched in 1987, commissioned in 1989, in the Pacific Fleet since the 90th. He served less than 10 years, not a single military service and was put into reserve back in 1997, where he defended in the Krasheninnikov Bay in anticipation of repairs. In 2001, Zvezda was transferred to the FSUE DVZ Zvezda in the village of Bolshoy Kamen (Primorsky Krai), repairs began in 2014. It was put into reserve pending repairs in 1997, the completion date for repairs was 2021. The ship exchanged four dozen after the repair and modernization will last no more than 10 years and then on needles.If we treat ships that have served less than 10 years (pr. 949A, 971), what are new for and are Russia able to maintain and service the ocean fleet in general?
                      1. bayard 6 January 2020 15: 06 New
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                        It seems to me that a ship with unspent resources, even if it has lagged behind for so many years, after major repairs and modernization can count on at least 15 years of service. Otherwise, it does not make sense.
                        It would be easier to reason, knowing the cost of capital and modernization, but judging by the fact that Project 949A is one of the largest submarines in history, the cost of such work on such a large ship will be commensurate with the cost of building a new Boreya-M, that's just He will be able to carry much less CR (72 KR, against 112), the remaining resource will be three times less, and the construction time for the new Boreya and the modernization of Baton are about the same ...
                        But here the time factor enters into dialogue. The stocks for the construction of new nuclear submarines are busy and it will be possible to lay Borey-K only after the completion of the main programs. Therefore, the modernization of 949A is nevertheless justified, but only until the slipway is released under Borey-K, and this means that we will not be able to get more than 2, maximum 3 modernized “Batons”. Personally, I put on two upgraded instances.
                        In general, we’re doing very poorly with the nuclear submarine repairs ... However, if you decided to divide the competencies and repair the Pike-B in the north, and the Batons in Big Stone ... maybe that will happen ... with proper funding, control and selection of leading personnel.
                        ... But it is with these components of success that we have ... trouble ... We need to change the paradigm ... in salaries ...
                        * High - to leading engineers and highly skilled workers.
                        * Moderate - to management and administrative staff. But with a high bonus to the leadership for the successfully completed work.
                        The manager must experience FEAR and RESPONSIBILITY for the assigned work. Namely FEAR with obligatory RESPONSIBILITY. Then maybe the majors in the leadership will decrease. The production should be managed by competent engineers with an administrative gift, and not effective managers to redistribute funds in their favor.
                        Н repeat it's about dreams.
  4. K-50 4 January 2020 08: 43 New
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    Sadly, our most beautiful submarines. sad
    1. bessmertniy 4 January 2020 09: 10 New
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      Especially bitter for their disposal. recourse But they can still serve the homeland.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 4 January 2020 10: 24 New
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        The same "Sperm Whale" could still serve if an average repair was completed on time. Instead, he stood in the boathouse since 2003. And spare parts from it with enviable regularity have been dismantled all these long years. This year they decided to stop tormenting the plant, since the MAPL takes up quite a bit of space, and let it go to scrap quickly. It’s sad and sorry, but now it’s too late to do something.
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          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 January 2020 18: 04 New
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            Quote: Dmitry
            have you been there yourself?

            Not a Hami Troll, otherwise I'll punish wink Before writing the article, I process a significant amount of information. I am enclosing a screenshot from the site under the Sperm Whale disposal contract for dear readers.

  5. parusnik 4 January 2020 09: 38 New
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    [b
    ] In 2014, the K-391 Bratsk and K-295 Samara were transported by the Dutch company on the TransShelf dock from the Far East to Severodvinsk by the Northern Sea Route
    [/b.XNUMX....Touches, the company of the country included in the NATO bloc ... transports for repair, submarines of the potential enemy ... wink
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 4 January 2020 10: 26 New
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      The TransShelf was built at the Värtsilä shipyard in Turku (Finland) for the Soviet Union. The trans-shelf became the property of the Dutch company Dockwise Shipping in 2004. Since July 23, 2004 the name was changed to Transshelf and the port of registry became Willemstad
      1. parusnik 4 January 2020 10: 54 New
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        I understand that the ship was built for the USSR, but it became the property of the Dutch company as a result, or are you hinting that the main shareholders of this company are Russian businessmen? laughing
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 4 January 2020 13: 54 New
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          I meant that for the USSR TransShelf was built by Finland. In 1997, TransShelf was leased. Later used, including for the transportation of our decommissioned nuclear submarines. It turned out that it was problematic for the fleet to load orders of this type of vessel. It is easier to occasionally use the services of a Dutch company.
          1. Romka 4 January 2020 18: 28 New
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            So if, who is the main ally of the USSR, and then Russia, so is Finland. All high-tech marine equipment and ships of the civilian, fishing, fleet of the oil industry were supplied and supplied by Finland, which at one time was "very persistently asked" to share the territory.
            1. max702 5 January 2020 13: 20 New
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              Quote: Romka
              So if, who is the main ally of the USSR, and then Russia, so is Finland. All the high equipment and ships of the civil, fishing, fleet of the oil industry were supplied and supplied by Finland, which at one time was "very persistently asked" to share the territory.

              In principle, Finca survived at the expense of the USSR if it weren’t for the neighbors of a huge country today there would be a stupid couple of farmsteads left in this territory and that’s all. In Finland they understand how no where they need to explain anything. They asked about the territory of the Duc there, they were offered twice as much in return, but the arrogance and assurances of the partners did not allow a sober look at the situation, everything ended practically with the extinction of the Finnish nation, and only the natural humanism of the Russian people did not allow this to happen after the war. After that, during the Second World War, the Finns were blocking our territory, any other state would wipe out the perpetrators of this, and it would be in its own right .. The Finns regretted, and we must pay tribute to, they understood everything correctly and no further errors admitted .. This is different from the other brothers in the USSR ..
  6. Pashhenko Nikolay 4 January 2020 10: 39 New
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    And so I don’t see anything good in the future for four years ahead. But Ludwig Aristarkhovich still spoils the mood from the beginning of the year))
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 4 January 2020 14: 10 New
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      Nicholas hi I just remembered a joke about perspective. Decaying collective farm. Animals gathered in the barnyard and discuss their fate. Cows say: it’s necessary to leave here while they are safe. The barn’s roof is thin, it floods with rain. Horses: there is no normal feed, the straw is all rot. It’s impossible to live on like this, you need to roll yourself around. Other animals: yes, yes, we’re leaving, how much can you endure? ! Gathered and went. The ball sits in place. Everyone asks him: why are you sitting? Go with us. Ball: no, I have a prospect here! Animals: What is the prospect ?? ? You will die of hunger here. Ball: noooooo, I have a prospect here! Animals: well, what is the prospect? There is nothing here! Get sick and die .... Ball: I won’t go. said, I have a prospect here! Animals: what is the prospect? Sharik: I heard the hostess say to the owner: "... if things continue like this, then we will suck Sharik all winter ...".
  7. Leha667 4 January 2020 10: 53 New
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    It is worth recalling the mid-90s, when in the same Vilyuchinsk the simplest and cheapest, but at the same time very effective multipurpose boats, etc. 671rtm were withdrawn from combat.
    One such boat, which underwent average repairs, was put into reserve category 2 simply because of the lack of a new battery.
    The boat was completely new reactor core.
    She can’t get out of the seas for another 10 years.
    However no
    I am sure that this was a deliberate destruction of our fleet.
    1. pin_code 4 January 2020 11: 15 New
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      but no one will answer for it. Surnames, titles and positions probably will not be mentioned. and they probably live not bad now ...
    2. Ryaruav 4 January 2020 13: 17 New
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      So Yeltsin and his family were engaged in destruction for the sake of the United States for a small share for his tanya
      1. KrokodilGena 5 January 2020 05: 01 New
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        Quote: Ryaruav
        So Yeltsin and his family were engaged in destruction for the sake of the United States for a small share for his tanya

        Yeltsin, you say, destroyed for the sake of the West .., Yeltsin had $ 10 oil and he, unlike Putin, took over the real devastation. It’s better to take an interest in how, from the beginning of the 2000s, they destroyed industry, mechanical engineering, and not because there is nothing to eat in the country.
  8. Andrey1903 4 January 2020 11: 11 New
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    The tofu situation is no better with the "loaves".
  9. Ros 56 4 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    It’s time to stretch these menagers under the keel, there was such educational fun in the days of sailboats. They say it helped those who survived.
  10. Sapsan136 4 January 2020 12: 05 New
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    But in the Kremlin they prefer to spend money on gifts to foreign countries and stuffing pockets of oligarchs, who do not care about the Russian Federation and its indigenous population, because they have long had the citizenship of foreign states, moreover, NATO countries .... Russia has rumored, Nikolai has gone mad ...
  11. Radikal 4 January 2020 12: 38 New
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    Quote: pin_code
    but no one will answer for it. Surnames, titles and positions probably will not be mentioned. and they probably live not bad now ...

    Yeah, the most important of them congratulated you before the chiming clock with the upcoming 2020 year .... lol sad
  12. seacap 4 January 2020 13: 15 New
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    There are commanders of warheads, commander of a ship, commander, commander in chief, chief engineer, director, etc. etc. those who should raise and answer for these questions, but utter irresponsibility, lack of professionalism, nothing-the most important thing are loot, have destroyed and continue to destroy in our country a lot of things, including and the country itself. The country's leadership has little control and what influences, it’s not interesting for him, they live in their own parallel world, their interests are not connected in any way with the interests of the country and the people, the only thing that they are tightly controlled is the income of their owners and their personal. More and more, it seems that this is some kind of colonial administration, systematically and efficiently performing its work to control these territories in the interests of another power, completely not interested in the development and prosperity of the state, its people, creation and rallying of a highly educated, creative society on the basis of traditional values ​​and culture.
  13. mik193 4 January 2020 13: 30 New
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    There are no words. Wrecking, undermining the country's defense power - there are many different interesting formulations. But again, no one is to blame, and from the television screens, the announcers shout soberly how powerful we are ...
  14. Most kind 4 January 2020 14: 33 New
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    It's awesome when you live in the Far East and you know that they’re protecting you badly
  15. mik193 4 January 2020 19: 38 New
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    As far as I understand, in the Pacific Ocean with the ship’s fleet it’s a complete disaster ...
  16. Elturisto 4 January 2020 21: 45 New
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    Why are you so worried? If anything, the yachts of Abramovich and Milnichenko will defend themselves, they will lure the Chinese and American admirals there with champagne and black caviar, and Nastya the fish will pull out the keys for access to the command device from them at night ... it's not long thought out. need to panic ...
    1. private person 5 January 2020 08: 05 New
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      .No need to panic ...

      Are we on the Titanic?
  17. Lesorub 5 January 2020 00: 15 New
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    two Bars were irrevocably withdrawn from the Pacific Fleet, three are pending medium repairs and only one in service

    Criminal negligence and deliberate destruction of the fleet (and not only), with the obvious connivance of the "supreme", there was no trace of the past power of the fleet.
  18. dmitrich 5 January 2020 07: 26 New
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    another couch analyst, yap!
    1. 2 Level Advisor 5 January 2020 08: 31 New
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      Anatoly, but besides the slogans, in the case, do you have something to say? Otherwise yap can be seen here .. and this is not the author ..
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 January 2020 18: 41 New
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        You look at the comments of Anatoly in his profile, there are orderlies there crying
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          looked agreed. This is a clinic wassat
  19. Markov Glory 6 January 2020 04: 48 New
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    Medium (and any other) repair of weapons and, including ships, should be carried out according to the always available (!!!) developed set of repair documentation. PREPARING DEFECTIVE SHEETS WITH PERSONAL COMPOSITION OF SHIPS - THIS WAY TO DELAY REPAIR.
    Moreover, it is a way of not fulfilling the scope of the repair category.
    The increase in the time and cost of repairs at times is, unfortunately, a decades-long practice where there are no Surnames responsible for the disappeared billions of funds.
  20. Demagogue 6 January 2020 21: 40 New
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    But instead, the Shortened Ash, and according to fresh rumors, even without a water cannon. The concept of the 80s, which guarantees us the advancement even of the Chinese, with the lagging behind the United States, England and France, would not be forever.

    Debatable. The issue of price must also be taken into account. For us, and so the submarine is an unbearable burden. The cheaper it is, the better. A water cannon will not make a Uberwaffe boat. But can we, in principle, operate such a pepelats with a water cannon with our level of operation and repair is not clear.
  21. storm 6 January 2020 22: 11 New
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    And this mess has been going on for 20 years under the current Supreme Commander-in-Chief Putin and his best defense ministers: Serdyukov and Shoigu .....
    In 2000, he inherited a powerful submarine nuclear fleet, and here is the result:
    - At the Pacific Fleet of 6 submarines, pr 971, only one boat remained in service.
    In the Northern Fleet of 12 multipurpose nuclear submarines (8 nuclear submarines, pr. 971 + 4 nuclear submarines, pr. 945 / 945A), only three units are in service.

    During this time, one avenue 971 was completed and leased to India.
    Under project 885, only one new nuclear submarine Severodvinsk (SF) was built and commissioned
  22. utyutkin 8 January 2020 12: 55 New
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    you all don’t want to understand one simple thing. if the repair is not going on, NOBODY knows what to do. (If you knew what to do, you would have done quietly for a long time). And most likely you need not repair, but repair with modernization. Let’s not big but modernization because no it’s worth simply restoring this junk. And this is junk that is clearly visible on the video. I constantly encounter this at work when people come to me and say I need to modernize IT! what is it? Well, THIS! and no one can really explain what THIS is and what needs to be done with it. and I have nothing to do with it at all, but I have to do this because my position is called a switchman. And what is surprising I do it all the time and it’s like not badly :). the problem lies most likely in the destruction of those people (that scientific school. that collective) who came up with all this. when they saw them they drove them in the louse and now, well, there is nobody :(. and it turns out that it’s “easier” to try to rivet something new than to repair the old with modernization. I constantly encounter such a situation takes anger as much as possible. ! But in fact, the boat is so awesome! replace the electronics completely (adding even a fundamentally new one) and if you need a weapon. check and defect the housing; replace the valves and piping .- change gaskets :) stick a couple of new chips to fear the adversary . and voila! but not because there are NO BRAINS!
  23. VALENTIN-37 9 January 2020 16: 15 New
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    There was a normal boat.
    Fotal in 2004.