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Russian gas began to flow to Europe along a new route, “old” is also in operation

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2020 began with large "gas" News. One of them was reported by the Ukrainian GTS Operator on Facebook.


We have already transported the first cubic meters of gas to the EU under a new transit contract and European rules at interstate points, the GTS is operating normally

- announced the company.

This information was also confirmed by the director of LLC GTS Operator of Ukraine Sergey Makogon.

At the end of December, Ukraine and Russia signed a gas transit agreement. The contract guarantees Kiev to pump through its territory up to 65 billion blue fuel in the first year of operation, and 40 billion in the next four.

At the same time, news on the pipeline topic came from the other side of Cherny. On January 1, natural gas arrived in Bulgaria from Russia via the Turkish Stream subsea gas pipeline. This is the first time that a country receives fuel without using the transit capacities of neighboring Romania, which, as noted by a number of media outlets, reduces financial costs.

The message on the supply of fuel by this route, the Russian and Bulgarian sides signed in December. The Turkish Stream project provides for the construction of two pipeline lines from Russia through the Black Sea to the European part of Turkey. The capacity of each string will be about 15,75 billion cubic meters. meters per year.
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  2. Avior
    Avior 1 January 2020 16: 24
    +10
    . The contract guarantees Kiev to pump through its territory up to 65 billion blue fuel in the first year of operation, and 40 billion in the next four.

    Wrong spelling
    Not “up to 65 billion” under the contract, but not less than 65 billion in the first year, and not less than 40 in the next
    That is, more is possible, but not less
    hi
    1. D-ug
      D-ug 1 January 2020 16: 28
      +10
      Quote: Avior
      That is, more is possible, but not less

      It is possible and less. But you have to pay, as for pumping 65 and further 40 billion a year.
      1. Avior
        Avior 1 January 2020 16: 38
        +5
        Yes you are right
        If less, then pay as for 65
        But not until 65, as they wrote
        hi
        1. NKT
          NKT 1 January 2020 17: 33
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          But does “download or pay” correspond to the third energy package? We talked about booking capacities for each month, as much as needed, and now there is a commitment?
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 January 2020 17: 50
            0
            And what does not match?
            The restrictions apply if the company is a monopolist, the producer and seller of gas, is the owner of the gas pipeline itself
            In this case, the owners are different
            1. D-ug
              D-ug 1 January 2020 17: 56
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              The restrictions apply if the company is a monopolist, the producer and seller of gas, is the owner of the gas pipeline itself

              Well, as it were, no.
              OPAL, NEL and EUGAL also do not want to load Gazprom gas with more than 50%. And this is a VERY serious problem for Gazprom.
              1. Avior
                Avior 1 January 2020 19: 03
                +3
                So the Ukrainian GTS load less than 50 percent like
                And these are located in the EU, isn't that the problem?
                1. D-ug
                  D-ug 1 January 2020 19: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  And these are located in the EU, isn't that the problem?

                  Probably in this.
                2. major147
                  major147 1 January 2020 20: 29
                  +4
                  Quote: Avior
                  So the Ukrainian GTS load less than 50 percent

                  For that fought for it and ran!
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 1 January 2020 21: 49
                    +2
                    . The throughput on the border of the Russian Federation with Ukraine is 288 billion m³ per year, on the borders of Ukraine with Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova - 178,5 billion m³ per year, including 142,5 billion m³ with the EU countries in year

                    Since the Soviet times, the Ukrainian GTS has a large throughput, significantly exceeding real deliveries
                    They are not very dependent on politics, in 2017 under Poroshenko transit was more than in 2012-13 under Yanukovych
              2. Chaldon48
                Chaldon48 1 January 2020 21: 25
                -9
                One way or another, Gazprom will solve its problems, but what about the problems of pensioners and small civil servants, say, medical workers, because whoever can run to private clinics and who will stay?
                1. D-ug
                  D-ug 1 January 2020 21: 53
                  -2
                  Quote: Chaldon48
                  Gazprom will solve its problems one way or another

                  Unfortunately, he will most likely solve them "differently".
              3. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 2 January 2020 01: 31
                0
                How to fill up going?
            2. NKT
              NKT 1 January 2020 18: 11
              +1
              Gazprom had to directly reserve volumes from the GTS, and now there was a gasket in the face of Naftogaz, which is the only buyer of volumes from the GTS and a kind of “guarantor”, before which Gazprom must comply with the download or pay rule, but who is not responsible for anything. By the way, you do not know Swedish law, as it were, more “flexible” and impartial than in the Netherlands?
              1. Avior
                Avior 1 January 2020 19: 11
                +4
                In this case, it is necessary to compare point-by-point the requirements of this third energy package and this contract, for this you need texts of both, if you have a link to them, drop it, it will be interesting to see what is there and how
                As far as I understand, the third energy package is designed to separate the producer, seller and company-owner of the gas pipeline
      2. Sergst
        Sergst 1 January 2020 17: 45
        +1
        I wonder how you can get so many minuses for the facts? After all, only the facts and nothing more D-ug wrote, and then he got ...
        Plus
        1. D-ug
          D-ug 1 January 2020 17: 50
          +7
          Quote: Sergst
          After all, only the facts and nothing more D-ug wrote, and then he got ...

          It’s like the east in the old days. To the messenger who brought the bad news, the sultan chopped his head.
          Sultanov something divorced a lot. laughing
          1. cost
            cost 1 January 2020 19: 18
            +5
            The messenger brought the bad news to the sultan chopped his head

            Given this, the US ambassador in Ankara about the sanctions against TP, Erdogan has not yet been told. Prudently decided - Well, nafig. Better to wait, and there or padish, or donkey smile
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 January 2020 17: 48
              0
              Bulgarian Prime Minister promised to send Putin photographs of the construction of the Balkan Stream January 3, 2020

              Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov inspected the construction of the Balkan Stream. Boyko Borisov flew by helicopter over the construction of a 45-kilometer section in the Pleven region.

              “Work was going on here for the New Year. They work both on Saturday and Sunday. I’ll send photos to Vladimir Putin, let the Russian president see what is working in Bulgaria “- said the Prime Minister.
              “Since the start of the Balkan Stream, 18 pipes have been laid in Bulgaria. Two Greek and one Italian company work on the highway “- Borisov said, specifying that Italian and American equipment are working.
              “I think that we will build the Balkan Stream on time, by the end of May”- said Boyko Borisov, stressing that Bulgaria is the gas strategic distribution center of the Balkans.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 2 January 2020 08: 14
            +1
            Quote: D-ug
            Sultanov something divorced a lot.

            Or goals. fellow wassat
      3. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
        VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 2 January 2020 06: 05
        -3
        Pumping in the pocket of the owners of Gazprom.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 1 January 2020 18: 10
      0
      Tales of the Sherwood Forest ...
      vague suspicions torment me:
      IF IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR NON-FULFILLMENT OF "TAKE OR PAY" (OBLIGATION OF THE REGIONAL CONTRACT OF 2009) TO GET 2.6 LARDS, IT IS POSSIBLE TO GAZPROM ALSO POWER HITROVANOV IN 2024 FOR "SWING OR PAYING" FOR 2-3-4
      submit to Stockholm. arbitration in 2023 "was forced to pump through their GTS at inflated rates, caused damage to the image, etc."
      1. NKT
        NKT 1 January 2020 18: 22
        +3
        This is a fairytale. In international courts, the Russian Federation is always to blame. Now the terms of any agreement (if necessary) can be reviewed and made so that the Russian Federation will be guilty and will pay in connection with the "poor financial situation 404". I’m afraid that we won’t get $ 3 billion ......
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 1 January 2020 18: 28
          +3
          under the 2009 contract, back in 15 g, Krutikhin said - "now in Europe there is a consumer market, not a supplier" - this is not only against the Russian Federation, but also against everyone who wants to cash in: Israel + Cyprus want to build in Greece, + Azerb-n ( TANAP), the Turkmen are wooing. All suppliers, except within the EU, will be to blame.
          how is Algeria doing? Libya is also pumped out
      2. Avior
        Avior 1 January 2020 19: 12
        +2
        Everything in the intricacies of the contract
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 1 January 2020 20: 05
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          Everything in the intricacies of the contract

          Rather, in big politics.
      3. dgonni
        dgonni 1 January 2020 21: 12
        +2
        No! For transportation and its cost are specified in the contract according to Euro norms. If in a nutshell. Tg the smaller the volume of transit, the higher the price. Until January 1, 2020, Gazprom paid for transit half the average European price! So from January XNUMX, everything will be adult and personal agreements between interested individuals will not be.
        However, as well as the possibility of supplying gas to the Ukrainian market with sauce of all kinds of discounts. Either the exchange price minus the cost of transportation or sell Gazprom to Europe or else a thread. Therefore, Gazprom howled. There is no muddy water in the contracts; there is nowhere to fish
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 1 January 2020 21: 39
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          Quote: dgonni
          Until January 1, 2020, Gazprom paid for transit half the average European price! So from January XNUMX, everything will be adult and personal agreements between interested individuals will not be.

          As for the "guaranteed" volumes (65 and 40 in subsequent), the transit price, as it is believed, has not changed much
          The parties do not disclose the tariff at which Russian gas will be pumped through Ukraine. But Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky wrote on his page on the American social network Facebook that Ukraine would receive “at least more than $ 7 billion” from this contract in five years. It's about the amount of $ 7,2 billion, Vitrenko specified. Based on these estimates, pumping 1 thousand cubic meters. m to Europe through the territory of Ukraine will cost Gazprom $ 31,25. This is slightly less than the current tariff for the transit of Russian gas between Sujah ​​on the border with Russia and Velke Kapushany on the border with Slovakia - $ 32,4 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m

          https://www.rbc.ru/business/31/12/2019/5e0b30409a7947f5f55c4ee5?from=newsfeed.
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 January 2020 22: 34
            +2
            Perhaps we are only talking about profit for Ukraine, because in Naftogaz they announced the figure of 15 billion in five years, these are all fees, but transit costs are also considerable
    3. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 2 January 2020 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Not “up to 65 billion” under the contract, but not less than 65 billion in the first year,

      And immediately shut up, today's news: Slovakia refuses to receive gas from Naftogaz - there is no contract. There is a new gas-turbine complex, but it does not have gas; Gazprom has signed an agreement with Naftogaz. Therefore, daily temporary agreements are required to transfer gas from Naftogaz to Slovaks. And so do not care - they have OPAL. laughing And now the European Commissioners rushed to Bratislava.
      1. Avior
        Avior 2 January 2020 16: 27
        +2
        Slovaks take gas
        There are generally subtleties in reverse
        GTS operators of Ukraine and Slovakia concluded interconnect agreements

        The new Ukrainian gas transmission operator LLC GTS Operator of Ukraine (OGTSU, Kiev) and the operator of the Slovak GTS Eustream have entered into an interconnection agreement, Vice President of the European Commission Maros Shefchovich said. "I welcome the interconnection agreement concluded between Ukraine and Slovakia and strongly supported by the European Commission. All parts for gas transit along the Ukrainian route are now in place. Great news for Europe's energy security!" - he tweeted on Tuesday.


        The technical cooperation agreement (IA, interconnection agreement) signed in Brussels on Tuesday according to European rules from January 1, 2020 between the operators of the Ukrainian and Slovak GTSs opens up the possibility of virtual reversal, said the head of the NAC, Andrey Kobolev.

        "The main element of victory here is the elimination of Gazprom between Uzhgorod and Velke Kapushany as a super operator," he said at a press conference in Kiev on Tuesday.

        "This is what we have been fighting over the past five years, and only now we have managed to achieve this, because there were restrictions, including from our side. Now, when all issues on gas metering are resolved, this will be a rather serious breakthrough. mean that at all points of accession with the European Union, European rules will begin to operate, which, among other things, provide for, for example, a virtual reverse, "added the head of the NAC.
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    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 January 2020 16: 51
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      This is the sweet Geyropean gingerbread.
      True, gingerbread is a one-time sweetness, and transit and "buns" are appropriate, it would be for a long time.
    2. loki565
      loki565 1 January 2020 16: 56
      -1
      Morons ... There is no way to let the pipeline through its territory when the Russians offered. And they would get money for transit, and maybe some kind of gallop. Well, Nitsche, but the Americans patted him on the shoulder, good exchange!
      If their politicians think for the good of the country - then yes, if for the good of their pockets - then no)))
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 1 January 2020 18: 18
        -4
        What's the difference? Even if the local elite would feed a little, so what?

        If all 60 billion cubic meters were redirected along the South Stream, Bulgaria would receive $ 2-3 yards annually. Very good for a seven millionth country ...

        Yes, and the Russians could now speak differently with Erdogan ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 1 January 2020 21: 25
          +2
          If all 60 billion cubic meters were redirected along the South Stream, Bulgaria would receive $ 2-3 yards annually. Very good for a seven millionth country ...

          I would not get a penny. Only fines and losses. UP could not be implemented on the territory of EU countries, contrary to EU laws.
          Yes, and the Russians could now speak differently with Erdogan ...

          Gazprom could transfer part of the assets of UP / the onshore part on the territory of BG / to a company formally unrelated to it. And the project would have been implemented. And even until recently, they could have sent the second branch of the TP to Burgas. An uncomplicated legal combination and Erdogan would be knocked out of the game. But "advanced managers" and "great leaders" resisted, believing that they would outplay everyone. Did not work out...
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 2 January 2020 01: 28
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            Quote: pytar
            I would not get a penny. Only fines and losses. UP could not be implemented on the territory of EU countries, contrary to EU laws.

            I guess who could have lobbied for this resolution. If you probably noticed, for some strange reason, European law never goes against the economic interests of Germany. It’s admirable for this situation - using the conflict in Ukraine as an excuse, the Germans sold the resolution blocking the South Stream, so that in a few years they could realize the Nord Stream-2 project and take all this traffic under their own control.

            The Germans are creating monopsony in order to bring down gas prices ...

            Quote: pytar
            Gazprom could transfer part of the assets of UP / the onshore part on the territory of BG / to a company formally unrelated to it. And the project would have been implemented. And even until recently, they could have sent the second branch of the TP to Burgas. An uncomplicated legal combination and Erdogan would be knocked out of the game. But "advanced managers" and "great leaders" resisted, believing that they would outplay everyone. Did not work out...

            This scheme would not work. The project was supposed to be joint anyway, the third energy package is nothing to do with it. There was a special resolution of the European Parliament. Objectively, the Bulgarians could not do anything with the Germans in that situation, the forces were too unequal. In short, you and we ultimately flew by.

            Ideally, the flow through Bulgaria should be launched with one branch to Greece and Italy and the other to Serbia, Hungary and Austria. How would we so well compete with the Germans? What about bros? wink
            1. pytar
              pytar 2 January 2020 10: 11
              +2
              I guess who could have lobbied for this resolution. If you probably noticed, for some strange reason, European law never goes against the economic interests of Germany.

              Undoubtedly Germany is a weight player. And no doubt, they have the opportunity to push their interests!
              This scheme would not work. The project was supposed to be joint anyway, the third energy package is nothing to do with it. There was a special resolution of the European Parliament. Objectively, the Bulgarians could not do anything with the Germans in that situation, the forces were too unequal. In short, you and we ultimately flew by.

              Just such a scheme was proposed by the Bulgarian side to Gazprom. In my opinion, Gazprom and Ross. management made a huge mistake. In fact, the current Turkish / Balkan stream repeats this idea. And after all has passed! Only fraud less.
              Gazprom flew by far, we are at a lower level. But in the hands of Erdogan, there were strong trump cards against the Russian Federation and the EU! By the way, Bulgaria acquired 20% of its assets from the LNG terminal in Alexandroupoli, in addition, they concluded an agreement with Azerbaijan for the supply of 1 billion sq. M. gas, so we won’t stay without gas.
              Ideally, the flow through Bulgaria should be launched with one branch to Greece and Italy and the other to Serbia, Hungary and Austria. How would we so well compete with the Germans? What about bros?

              There are branches from Bulgaria to Greece, even 2! A pipe from Alexandroupolis can work towards Greece on the reverse, and there is another one through southwestern Bulgaria. Ideally, the best solution, the pipe is direct from the Crimea to our northern Dobruzhd. Only 370 km. In 2016-17, Gazprom surveyed the western coast of Crimea! In addition, by passing the pipe under the Kerch bridge, they made it with "excess" power, just in case ... But until the Crimea receives internationally recognized status in the Russian Federation, this option is unacceptable for political reasons.
              1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                Oyo Sarkazmi 2 January 2020 15: 31
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                Just such a scheme was proposed by the Bulgarian side to Gazprom.

                More precisely, it was the desire of the EU European Commissioners - Gazprom at its own expense (100%) builds UP, and then transfers it to the management of EU companies. And, of course, pays them for transit. The pressure on OPAL goes in the same direction - give it to us, without redemption, and use it, just count the money.
                But NEL, which works for Germany, France, Holland, is not subjected to any pressure: 100% of Gazprom’s pipe pumps 100% of Gazprom’s gas, 100% of its capacity, but the European Commissioners have no complaints.
                So Bulgaria was bent in vain - just the 2nd energy package was directed against it and Eastern Europe.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 2 January 2020 16: 58
                  +1
                  then transfers it to the management of EU companies

                  Not necessary. Russian too.
                  So Bulgaria was bent in vain - just the 2nd energy package was directed against it and Eastern Europe.

                  Bulgaria won the best conditions for itself in that situation. There could be no positive result in the event of a confrontation with the EU. Today, Bulgaria retains its ability to be the main gas distribution center in the Balkans.
              2. Oyo Sarkazmi
                Oyo Sarkazmi 2 January 2020 15: 34
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                the pipe is direct from the Crimea to our northern Dobruzhi.

                This is already a dream. Gazprom has stopped investing in Europe’s gas infrastructure. Now your desires are at your expense. You can lay the pipe yourself to Novorossiysk and get gas. Find $ 9 billion and build.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 2 January 2020 17: 05
                  +1
                  Gazprom has stopped investing in Europe’s gas infrastructure.

                  Without enthusiasm, because he was forced.
                  You can lay the pipe yourself to Novorossiysk and get gas.

                  Hardly, because the EU itself is a profitable market and will not remain empty. Bigger money is stored in LNG terminals. It is very naive to believe that "only fools are sitting" in the EU. In my personal conviction, investments should be directed massively into the development of technologies for controlled thermonuclear fusion / UTES / and renewable energy sources. The future is in them. hi
                  1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                    Oyo Sarkazmi 2 January 2020 18: 51
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                    Quote: pytar
                    It is very naive to believe that "only fools are sitting" in the EU.

                    The EU is now unprofitable, for sellers, the market, in all respects. Stagnation in the economy, despite quotas - overproduction of food, negative interest rates. Only with very low costs of their own can one hold on there. Therefore, in the coming year, LNG will undress its traders into cowards.
                    Renewable sources, renewable energy sources, with the cessation of subsidies, lose their attractiveness. And RES is not suitable for industry.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 2 January 2020 19: 51
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                      LNG is certainly more expensive. But a monopole breaks through them. But renewable energy sources have no alternative if they want to be preserved as a biological species. Look, the atmosphere covers like a thin film of the Earth. And in it we burn billions of tons of hydrocarbons! There will be nothing to breathe soon!

                      At the same time, there are colossal inexhaustible sources of conditionally pure energy. Mankind, as it has mastered technology, has absorbed increasingly powerful sources. It is a matter of time before we move on to the next stage. Countries that have made a breakthrough in technology will have a total advantage. So it was, is and will be. This is a normal evolutionary process. hi
                      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                        Oyo Sarkazmi 2 January 2020 20: 21
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                        To put 1 ton of structures into orbit, it is necessary to burn 100 tons of kerosene.
                        To start one wind turbine, it takes 700 tons of cement, for the manufacture of which it is necessary to burn 490 tons (not cubic meters!) Of gas, plus a hundred tons of steel with a hundred tons of coke.
                        To make 1 square meter of solar panels, 5 kg of aluminum and 30 kg of steel are required per frame. This is approximately 60-90 watts. You can calculate how much will go only to your house, city.
                        As long as there is gas, coal, oil, we can have fun renewable energy. As soon as it ends - charcoal and swamp ore.
                        Bulgaria lost the chance to live the next 40 years in wealth and abundance - its own chemistry, its fertilizers, its cement, the heat in the winter in houses, its own electricity. Alas.
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 2 January 2020 21: 55
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                        To ... To ... To make ... 5 kg of aluminum and 30 kg of steel are needed ... This is approximately 60-90 watts. ....

                        To finish off energy, you need cars. To make cars, you need energy. In one year, the Earth receives from the Sun 10 times more energy than all other energy reserves on Earth. For the system to work, the energy produced must be greater than the energy consumed by the machines. The same goes for controlled thermonuclear fusion. The sun is essentially a mega-thermonuclear central. So far, technology is more efficient in providing energy from hydrocarbons. But there is no doubt that very soon technological progress will bring handicap for renewable energy sources. Their effectiveness is constantly growing. After all, all nature functions in this way! Otherwise, the planet will suffocate. You have gas, oil, coal, and what will you breathe?
                        Bulgaria lost the chance to live the next 40 years in wealth and abundance ...

                        Sitting on an empty pipe? If the one to whom the pipe is directed does not want it, why do we need it? To go bankrupt? lol I’m honestly, I would like the Russian Federation to invest in some advanced production / technology in my country! On the pipe, only a handful of bandyurgan will earn, which we have enough. They are from your bros, even from the social. This is a dead end road cementing the power of the oligarchy.
                      3. Oyo Sarkazmi
                        Oyo Sarkazmi 2 January 2020 23: 16
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                        Quote: pytar
                        Sitting on an empty pipe?

                        Duc, who would shut it up? The pipe is Gazprom gas, the gas is Gazprom gas. The Bulgarians could take from it as much as they like, for 10 years equal to the GDP of Spain. Will competitors protest? Let them pull the pipe and compete. The Germans, won, removed SP-2 from under Energopaketa-3, recording the project by the date of 50% of the investment.
                        Once again - NEL, a complete analogue of OPAL, is not subject to any restrictions. For it works for Germany and France, which through internal acts made it internal, not transitory. Are Bulgarians second grade? To remove UP from EP-2 with its DOMESTIC legislation?
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 3 January 2020 01: 02
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                        Duc, who would shut it up? The pipe is Gazprom gas, the gas is Gazprom gas.

                        Are you not aware that construction is carried out according to certain rules and laws? What's in the EU, what's in the Russian Federation! The law is not observed - the construction site is not subject to commissioning! If I build a shed in violation of state regulations, I will be fined and the shed will be demolished. In the case of Bulgaria, irreparable damage would have been done! The losses would have been several times greater than some mythical "profit"! It amazes me how you do not understand the obvious things there ?! By the way, the GDP blames the EU, not Bulgaria. There is a video where he talks about it in plain text. A few more words! Bulgaria has a very strong Gazprom lobby. This is a destructive part of local capital. All there are sons of the former com. partocracy. If you sit on a big pipe, you won't move them for 100 years! Having obtained such a huge financial resource, they would get rich, and the people would be poor! As to one other country ... Over the past 15 years, the Bulgarian economy has been developing very successfully, no matter what they say in the Russian net. We do not need shocks and conflicts with our main economic partner - the EU.
                      5. Oyo Sarkazmi
                        Oyo Sarkazmi 3 January 2020 12: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: pytar
                        You are not aware that the construction is carried out according to certain rules and laws? What is in the EU, what is in the Russian Federation!

                        The EC is not a parliament; it does not adopt laws. He sets the rules. The Bundestag made a decision that NEL is an internal gas pipeline, and no energy package extends to it. Slovakia will adopt a law that OPAL - not a transit but a dead end gas pipeline - and OPAL will work at full capacity. On the territory of Bulgaria, UP was under the full jurisdiction of Bulgaria, and at the moment of the conclusion of the contract, it was fully consistent with the norms of Bulgarian laws. But the prime minister pulled because of pressure from the EC, demanding to change the laws of Bulgaria and the terms of the contract after its conclusion. What Bulgaria could not do, the precedent of NEL and SP-1, and now SP-2 - before our eyes. The only property of Gazprom under the restrictions of EP-2 and EP-3 is OPAL. But even that Germany on its territory is going to bring it out of action by the INTERNAL LAW.
                        In general, the Bulgarian confidence in the infallibility of the EC bureaucrats has been and is worth and will cost Bulgaria billions every year - gas will ALWAYS be $ 50 more expensive than for Germany.
                      6. pytar
                        pytar 3 January 2020 15: 34
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                        But the prime minister pulled because of pressure from the EC, demanding to change the laws of Bulgaria and the terms of the contract after its conclusion ....

                        I repeat: For Bulgaria, it is not worth it to go into conflict with the EU because of the profit of your / our oligarchs!
                        In general, the Bulgarian confidence in the infallibility of the EC bureaucrats has been and is worth and will cost Bulgaria billions every year - gas will ALWAYS be $ 50 more expensive than for Germany.

                        Change EU to gas? Nope ... the EU enjoys with serious support among Bulgarian society. And there is why!
                        "In 2019, Bulgaria's GDP is 2,5 times higher than in 1987, which was the best in all the time of socialism. Compared to the worst year since the beginning of democracy, 1997, the GDP of 2019 is 6 times higher. . Salaries in Bulgaria are growing 2 times faster than prices, and their / payment / growth over the past 10 years is the highest in the EU. New enterprises are opened every month. By percentage of economic growth over recent years, Bulgaria is one of the 5 fastest growing countries External debt / GDP - 1/3! Top three EU countries! But in 1990 Bulgaria was bankrupt! "
                      7. Oyo Sarkazmi
                        Oyo Sarkazmi 3 January 2020 16: 05
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                        Quote: pytar
                        Change EU to gas? Nope ...

                        laughing On the contrary, become one of the pillars of the EU. Germany receives 65 billion cubic meters of gas, Bulgaria would receive 65 billion cubic meters of gas for $ 50 cheaper than others. Yes, industrialists would run into Bulgaria, for cheap energy resources, like Mexicans in the USA! You would crush all the Balkans for yourself - cement, propylene, fertilizers. And from a subsidized province they would stand flush with France and Britain, half a step behind Germany ...
                        Well, they missed and missed. Good luck in purchasing gas from the Turks!
                      8. pytar
                        pytar 3 January 2020 17: 16
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                        On the contrary, become one of the pillars of the EU. Germany receives 65 billion cubic meters of gas, Bulgaria would receive 65 billion cubic meters of gas for $ 50 cheaper than others!

                        All happiness is not in gas ... not in gas ... It seems that some breathed natural gas! lol Just kidding, don't be offended! drinks
                        Yes, Bulgaria would have run into industrialists, for cheap energy ... You would have crushed all the Balkans for yourself - cement, propylene, fertilizers.

                        We went through all this! For 50 years they turned the country into a smoky, dusty industrial landfill! The entire Golden Panegy region, roofs, fields were in cement dust! Sophia field, still crammed with rust. Seurovine for heavy industry was brought from thousands of kilometers! This is a country created by God for farming, tourism, health promotion! Fertile fields, seas, magnificent mountains! The best climate, perfect weather! 2nd place in Europe for thermal mineral resources! Nowadays, small Bulgaria is among the top 10 countries of exporters of first-class live in the world! In 2019, agricultural products were exported for 5 billion euros! IT industry has achieved 300% growth in 7 years! 2,8 billion euros per year! + Electronics sector - the fastest growing industries!
                        And from a subsidized province they would stand flush with France and Britain, half a step behind Germany ...

                        Bulgaria in terms of competitiveness of the economy is now at the 1st place in the Balkans. Development is balanced, on the basis of national advantages! Use EU resources - why not? The time will come, we will help others. Everything will be fine! yes
                        Good luck in purchasing gas from the Turks!

                        We will buy where it is more profitable. I wish you success in your "friendship" with Erdogan. As I read, he sent special forces against the "Wagnerites" in Libya, he was not in a hurry to leave Syria, and he took a tight grip on the Turkic factor in Central Asia ... I see no reason for joy. what
                        Okay, all the best for you! hi
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 1 January 2020 18: 24
      -4
      I hope the Turks will tear three skins from them.
      1. pytar
        pytar 1 January 2020 21: 30
        +2
        I hope the Turks will tear three skins from them.

        In vain hope. Transit taxes due to the profit of the supplier, it turns out. As the transit section is short, supply prices for Bulgaria have already declined. With NG -5%. But in fact, the Turks tore the skin from the skin of Gazprom ... But I do not regret the oligarchs! They are always doing well! laughing
        1. Genry
          Genry 2 January 2020 12: 15
          0
          Quote: pytar
          But in fact, the Turks are tearing their skin from Gazprom ...

          In fact, the buyer pays for the delivery. Therefore, the final prices in Europe are different.
          1. pytar
            pytar 2 January 2020 15: 13
            +1
            In fact, the buyer pays for the delivery. Therefore, the final prices in Europe are different.

            And there is. Just do not confuse the market / contractual / price of supplies with the cost of the product ... bully The difference is profit. When the first goes down and the second goes up, the profit goes down. In this case, the cost is also reduced, due to a shorter transit.
            1. Genry
              Genry 2 January 2020 16: 13
              0
              Quote: pytar
              do not confuse the market / contractual / price of supplies with the cost of the product ...

              Cost - this is interesting only to the manufacturer and he, as a rule, does not disclose it. It is different for everyone and is determined by the conditions / parameters of the field and production technology.

              When concluding contracts, buyers are interested in the exchange or negotiated price and delivery cost. Delivery to Bulgaria through the "Turkish Stream" is now cheaper than through Ukraine and Romania, so gas will be relatively cheaper.
              1. pytar
                pytar 2 January 2020 16: 48
                0
                Cost - this is interesting only to the manufacturer and he, as a rule, does not disclose it. She is different for everyone ... prey.

                And there is. The buyer is only interested in the price of supplies. And it, in addition to cost, depends on competition. The EU is trying to diversify its sources.
                Delivery to Bulgaria through the "Turkish Stream" is now cheaper than through Ukraine and Romania, so gas will be relatively cheaper.

                It is truth too. Another factor influenced was LNG. In Europe, gas prices fell 32% year on year. In 2019 to 2018, Gazprom's supplies to Bulgaria decreased by 15%. Gazprom retained its position as the largest supplier, but its share in Bulgaria decreased to 85,59%. In 2018, it was 99,2%.
                1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                  Oyo Sarkazmi 2 January 2020 20: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: pytar
                  In 2019 to 2018, Gazprom's supplies to Bulgaria decreased by 15%.

                  Re-export of Russian gas to Bulgaria as an Austrian firm do not consider Gazprom? winked
                  LNG in the balance of Europe is 1,8%, 23% of these 1,8 are NOVATEK, again Russian.
                  The signing of the agreement with Ukraine has led to the fact that now in Europe there will be 45% of Russian gas. Azerbaijan, Libya, Algeria simply will not be pulled against Gazprom dumping.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 2 January 2020 22: 06
                    0
                    No value what kind of gas and where it comes from. It is more important that competition is created and prices are reduced for consumers. For Bulgaria and for Europe, this is the main goal. The EU seeks to equalize the competitive opportunities of suppliers. So that no one will gain dominance in the market. Here our interests coincide.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 3 January 2020 05: 53
                      0
                      Quote: pytar
                      It is more important that competition is created and prices are reduced for consumers. For Bulgaria and for Europe, this is the main goal. The EU seeks to equalize the competitive opportunities of suppliers.

                      Suppliers see the united game of consumers very well and also follow the path similar to OPEC.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 3 January 2020 09: 48
                        0
                        Suppliers see the united game of consumers very well and also follow the path similar to OPEC.

                        I won’t guess, but in order to cash in, the oligarchy is ready for anything.
  4. Alexander X
    Alexander X 1 January 2020 16: 56
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    This is the sweet Geyropean gingerbread.

    But for a while they will be called "beloved wife" ...
    And, characteristically, everyone in Europe is trying to become such a wife. Well, it was possible to lay pipes for a month for SP-2, but the pipe layers didn’t understand where ... they tried to like the striped one ... But the Germans only complain and really do not resist tyranny Americans.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 January 2020 17: 03
      +1
      The politicians of many countries are grown up on the principle that the big brother is cursed because of him, he is like a giraffe, he is better seen from above.
      I would like to hope that this is so far .... only how long it is so far is not clear.
      What does not apply to us and do our job. In its iteres.
      1. Den717
        Den717 1 January 2020 17: 48
        +4
        It seems to me that there are no grown principles there. Just the US market for Europeans is very important. And if the Europeans are a little disobedient, then the United States also covers them with financial flow and imposes fines at their discretion. So they are not able to implement projects against the will of the United States. That's all the principles ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 January 2020 19: 47
          +3
          Quote: Den717
          . That's all the principles

          The reason, as always, is not one. Everything is interconnected.
          To a large extent, everything rests on the dominance of the dollar, as the most important currency in mutual settlements ......
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 1 January 2020 17: 05
      +1
      Because the Germans benefit from US actions
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 1 January 2020 18: 27
      -2
      Their countries are occupied by the Nazis and decide everything outside the puddle, they will conduct an independent policy, they will immediately change it.
  5. Alexander X
    Alexander X 1 January 2020 17: 19
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    What does not apply to us and do our job. In its iteres.

    But our interests are somehow badly defended by someone who was supposed to. Everything could have been foreseen and prepared. Then, perhaps, this would not have been discussed here, if it had not happened. "It's a shame for the State" (c) ....
  6. Aqr009
    Aqr009 1 January 2020 17: 33
    0
    On January 1, Bulgaria received natural gas from Russia via the Turkish Stream subsea gas pipeline. This is the first time that a country receives fuel without using the transit capacities of neighboring Romania, which, as noted by a number of media outlets, reduces financial costs.

    I want to believe that the Bulgarians, nevertheless, compensate our costs because of them.
  7. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 17: 43
    -7
    Zrada - Paramoga laughing Well, the person who could throw Gazprom was not born yet. He is still 100 years old. Experienced tovarisch. Let the Pioneers Learn wassat
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 1 January 2020 18: 11
      +1
      Ukrainians were born long ago, for example, they received almost 3 billion + Yanukovych's debts were forgiven
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 2 January 2020 01: 53
        +1
        Nobody forgave them any debts ..
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 1 January 2020 18: 46
      +4
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Well, the person who could throw Gazprom was not born yet.

      Comrade Fomkin recently clearly fell out of the information space.
  8. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 17: 45
    -2
    Brothers from the verb take laughingIt seems to me that the Bulgarians crossed themselves. How glory to god in Bulgarian? laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 1 January 2020 21: 14
      +2
      How glory to god in Bulgarian?

      As in Russian: thank God
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 17: 54
    +1
    And that someone believed that Bulgaria would be left without gas? Just now they will depend on the vagaries of the Turks instead of disposing of the pipe. laughing laughing
  10. Karabin
    Karabin 1 January 2020 18: 04
    0
    We have already transported the first cubic meters of gas to the EU under a new transit contract and European rules at interstate points, the GTS is operating normally

    - announced the company.

    And Minister of Justice Denis Malyuka added:
    "Ukraine is not going to withdraw claims in international courts. If there are any mega-positive actions on a specific case, it can be withdrawn. But now I do not see such options."
    1. NKT
      NKT 1 January 2020 18: 26
      0
      There the suits are not even sucked out of my finger and I don’t know what.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 1 January 2020 18: 35
        +2
        Quote: NKT
        Suits are sucked there

        So no matter what, you have to pay. New Year's days have clearly demonstrated this.
      2. Avior
        Avior 1 January 2020 19: 14
        +2
        It’s not about gas lawsuits
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 January 2020 18: 12
    +7
    But it’s true ... Gas is a strategic weapon of Russia. Z5% of the European market is a critical piece.
    And Gazprom continues to "break off" it ... Now they will run in ... And what with me? Miller is getting richer ... Miller is not the owner of Gazprom.
    The second thesis is a raw materials appendage ...
    And why is the United States so eager to become a raw materials appendage of Europe? Already shame and conscience lost, fighting for this market ... laughing
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 1 January 2020 19: 32
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The second thesis is a raw materials appendage ...

      Raw materials can also be sold in different ways .... before they can be sold, something necessary can be extracted from it ... the Amur Gas Processing Plant and the Baltic Chemical Complex under construction - helium, ethane, LPG ...
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  13. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 18: 48
    0
    Quote: Kronos
    Ukrainians were born long ago, for example, they received almost 3 billion + Yanukovych's debts were forgiven

    In his wet dreams Hye Hye. laughing
  14. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 19: 01
    -3
    Quote: Karabin
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Well, the person who could throw Gazprom was not born yet.

    Comrade Fomkin recently clearly fell out of the information space.

    Maybe they decide to warm up and die out. laughing
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 19: 10
    0
    I’m embarrassed to ask: is Russian gas coming from Turkey to Bulgaria or is it already Turkish? laughing
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 1 January 2020 19: 51
      +2
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Russian gas or already Turkish

      What is the difference - from TP - Russian, from the continuation of TANAP - Azerbaijani, the Turks sold them LNG - “Aygaz Doğal Gaz expanded its activities due to the demand for LNG in neighboring countries. The first LNG was delivered to Bulgaria by land "- I don’t know whose ...
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 19: 13
    0
    The pipe seemed to be Byzantine and the Russians broke it laughing Oh, addition to the news. Due to changes in the supply route, gas for Bulgarians will fall in price by 5%. wassat
  17. Avior
    Avior 1 January 2020 19: 19
    0
    From what they wrote, we can conclude that SP2 will not work until the end of 2020, and not the middle of the year, as they wrote earlier
    If this is so, then it turns out that Ukraine will pump the same volumes of gas this year as last year, something like 90 billion cubic meters, minus those 2-3 billion cubic meters that go directly to the Bulgarians.
    Or am I misunderstood something?
    1. NKT
      NKT 1 January 2020 19: 30
      0
      EUGAL one thread is ready, they can load it instead of the OPAL limit, thereby increasing volumes through SP1.
      1. Avior
        Avior 1 January 2020 19: 45
        +1
        And doesn’t the restriction apply to sp1 itself?
        If not, then the easiest way was not to build SP2, but just to build another ground-based one to cn1, and then cn1 itself could be filled 100 percent, it turns out?
        1. NKT
          NKT 1 January 2020 19: 56
          +2
          The restrictions are on OPAL, and SP1 is here as a result.
          As for your proposal, EUGAL may also be subject to restrictions. He is promised not to fail under the third package, but .......

          There was infa on the internet, Gazprom is supposed to be soft and concessions to Ukraine due to Germany's promises to withdraw OPAL and EUGAL from the third energy package. From that, such volumes were announced after the first year - 40bn.m3, just that balance, with a full load of sp1 and sp2.
        2. D-ug
          D-ug 1 January 2020 20: 04
          -3
          Quote: Avior
          then the easiest way was not to build SP2, but just to build another ground-based one to sp1, and then sp1 itself could be filled 100 percent, it turns out?

          Restrictions on onshore European pipelines arrived when SP2 was already being built with might and main.
          If we knew about this in advance, then the marine part of SP2 could not have been built. All 10 billion dollars would have remained in your pocket.
          But now we need to finish building SP2. Suddenly, then the situation will somehow change.
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 January 2020 20: 20
            +2
            The restriction has long been,
            just the Germans were able to bring opal for a while
            The third energy package was adopted in 2009
            If the problem is only in the ground, then the most logical way to build the ground was to double the ground parts of sp1 and use half
            Similarly, in SP2- with this logic, all ground extensions should have double bandwidth
            At the same time, both SP1 and SP2 can, it turns out, work 100 percent
            But in fact they don’t do it, it seems that the marine parts are also affected
            1. NKT
              NKT 1 January 2020 20: 52
              0
              It would be interesting to look at the NPV of this project. wink
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 1 January 2020 19: 42
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      what will go to the Bulgarians directly.

      Already now, Greece and North Macedonia began to receive gas through the Bulgarians, by the summer the Bulgarians will finish their part and the gas will go to Serbia, Hungary there .... the current will be more than "2-3 billion cubic meters" by the end of the year ....
      1. Liam
        Liam 1 January 2020 20: 00
        +2
        Quote: BrTurin
        Quote: Avior
        what will go to the Bulgarians directly.

        Already now, Greece and North Macedonia began to receive gas through the Bulgarians, by the summer the Bulgarians will finish their part and the gas will go to Serbia, Hungary there .... the current will be more than "2-3 billion cubic meters" by the end of the year ....

        EU approvals for this pipe?
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 1 January 2020 20: 06
          0
          "My answer to President Putin: he can come and see at what speed we are building - an average of five kilometers a day. We started late because it was necessary to complete many procedures" - Prime Minister of Bulgaria Boyko Borisov - ask him, him the words "we are building" ...
          1. Liam
            Liam 1 January 2020 20: 09
            +1
            They are building a transit pipe to Serbia. What does this have to do with the EU?
            1. pytar
              pytar 1 January 2020 21: 04
              +2
              They are building a transit pipe to Serbia. What does this have to do with the EU?

              Bulgaria is a member of the EU. On the territory of the EU there are European laws / 3-ERP, Law on tenders, etc. /.
              1. Liam
                Liam 1 January 2020 21: 52
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                They are building a transit pipe to Serbia. What does this have to do with the EU?

                Bulgaria is a member of the EU. On the territory of the EU there are European laws / 3-ERP, Law on tenders, etc. /.

                And what? The pipe that the Bulgarians are building, is it designed to pump gas to Serbia?
                1. pytar
                  pytar 1 January 2020 23: 26
                  +2
                  And what? The pipe that the Bulgarians are building, is it designed to pump gas to Serbia?

                  Not just transit. Deliveries for us and for Macedonia have already begun. From the first day of the year the price declined (-5%). Further - Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia. On the territory of the EU, the "pipe" is part of a single European gas transmission network. The longest part passes through Bulgaria.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 1 January 2020 23: 42
                    0
                    Quote: pytar
                    for Macedonia

                    And when did they build a pipe in Macedonia?)
                    Quote: pytar
                    Further - Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia.

                    Once again. From Serbia to Hungary and so on, what permits and when did you get? From which alternative sources to Gazprom is the pipe replenished by 50% according to the 3rd EP?
                    What is the capacity of this new pipe, which will go to Serbia?
                    1. Brturin
                      Brturin 2 January 2020 00: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: Liam
                      from which alternative sources to Gazprom is the pipe replenished by 50% according to the 3rd EP?

                      Unlike Opala, which is owned by Gazprom (Wingas is its subsidiary and therefore the limitation is 50%), these gas pipelines belong to local companies and Gazprom can reserve any free volumes in the capacity reservation tender ... And the EU permission is not a problem for Gazprom, but for local companies. .. the Bulgarians are building and they are sure that they have permission, the Serbs have already reported on the construction of their site, in Hungary - ".. across the Hungarian territory only 15 kilometers. In principle, we can agree with our colleagues, start this work at the beginning next year and we will finish it quickly enough, if Hungary is interested in this. As far as we imagine, the answer to this question is yes "- Putin October 2019
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 2 January 2020 01: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: BrTurin
                        Unlike Opala, which is owned by Gazprom (Wingas is its subsidiary and therefore has a 50% limit), these pipelines are owned by local companies and, at a capacity reservation competition, Gazprom can reserve any available volumes

                        Do not write unscientific garbage. Like your Bulgarian colleague. According to the energy package, the provision on no more than 3% accessibility to ANY gas pipeline applies to everyone. No company can fill its own gas with more than 50% of any gas pipeline, regardless of who the owner or operator is. .
                      2. Brturin
                        Brturin 2 January 2020 09: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        Do not write unscientific garbage
                        So they write
                        Gazprom has set up a company that can be given control over the 12-mile section of Nord Stream 2, which will remove the project from the updated EU Gas Directive. This statement was made by the German newspaper Handelsblatt, citing its own sources in the industry.
                        https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7088970
                        The head of the gas and oil markets department of the German Ministry of Finance, Stefan Rolle, very streamlinedly told Bloomberg on November 7 that he did not see the possibility of completely exempting Nord Stream-2 from fulfilling the requirements of the EU gas directive ... Moreover, in his opinion, Gazprom Consideration should be given to creating an independent operator for the 12-mile pipe section.
                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4150695
                        If for the withdrawal of SP-2 from under 3 energy packages it is proposed to create an independent operator, while the gas in the pipe remains Gazprom .... but in Bulgaria such an operator already exists ...
                    2. pytar
                      pytar 2 January 2020 00: 13
                      +2
                      And when did they build a pipe in Macedonia?)

                      Long! Bulgaria has a developed gas transport network. More than 80% of the compressor stations on the Balkan Peninsula are located in Bulgaria. Here is a sketchy map, not quite complete by the way. For example, there is still a pipe from northern Bulgaria / where the BP / route to the south-east is going on.

                      Once again. From Serbia to Hungary and so on, what permits and when did you get? From which alternative sources to Gazprom is the pipe replenished by 50% according to the 3rd EP?

                      All necessary permits have been obtained. The facility is being built on time. Details - in the internet. The "50%" rule does not apply to Balkan Stream, as it is not owned by the supplier.
                      What is the capacity of this new pipe, which will go to Serbia?

                      The diagram in my first comment indicates - by country!
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 2 January 2020 00: 36
                        -2
                        Quote: pytar
                        Details - in the internet.

                        Funny
                        Quote: pytar
                        The "50%" rule does not apply to the Balkan Stream, as it is not owned by the supplier

                        Seriously? And OPAL who owns it?)
                        Quote: pytar
                        The diagram in my first comment indicates - by country!

                        There are drawings in the magazine Murzilka.
                        The head of the Bulgarian gas company said that the laying of pipes to the border with Serbia on the 308-kilometer section of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline will be completed by May 31. After that, the gas pipeline will be able to deliver 8,75 million cubic meters of gas per day.
                        8,75 million × 365 =?
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 2 January 2020 00: 45
                        +2
                        Funny

                        I'm happy for you! laughing I also wish you to have more fun in the new year 2020! fellow
                        Seriously? And OPAL who owns it?)

                        Dear colleague, BrTurin (Boris) already explained. hi
                        There are drawings in the magazine Murzilka.

                        My favorite children's magazine! Because of him, I first learned to read Russian, and then into Bulgarian! I'm putting my cards here. Here is another one of Bulgartransgaz 's site. Enjoy ... bully
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 2 January 2020 01: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: pytar
                        Dear Colleague, BrTurin

                        Dear colleague, you are the same expert on the topic as you). By the way, ask him whose property, for example, is the Serbian section through which supposedly gas will go to Europe. Well, or about the rule from the 3rd energy package through which new pipelines should not cause economic harm to old ones and like that Romania will react to the loss of revenue if gas flowing through its territory is redirected to bypass.
                        As for permissions and whether everything is there, type top read comrades who understand this better than yours and colleagues
                        Medvedev: firm guarantees from the EU are needed to extend the "Turkish Stream" through Bulgaria
                        Economics and business March 4, 0:26
                        According to the Russian Prime Minister, "the new branch should not repeat the sad fate of South Stream."

                        MOSCOW, March 4. / TASS /. The decision to extend the Turkish Stream gas pipeline through Bulgaria can only be made if firm guarantees are received that the European Union will not interfere with gas supplies along this route. This was stated by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev in an interview with the Bulgarian newspaper Trud on the eve of his visit to Sofia.

                        "The new branch should not repeat the sad fate of South Stream. So the decision to extend the Turkish Stream through Bulgarian territory depends on whether Sofia can get firm guarantees that the EU will not obstruct plans for gas supplies through the new gas pipeline," - said Medvedev.

                        According to Medvedev, "the option of extending the second branch of the Turkish Stream to Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary is now being worked out." "But the final decision depends not only on us. The choice between various options for continuing the Turkish Stream will largely depend on the readiness of the gas transportation infrastructure. This, in turn, depends on the interest and concrete actions of the governments of the respective countries," the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation stressed ...

                        In this regard, Medvedev noted that he sees Bulgaria's movement in this direction - the adoption by Bulgartransgaz of the final investment decision on the implementation of the project for the development and expansion of the gas transmission system, as well as the successful completion of the collection of applications for booking future gas transmission capacities. "The road is open for the start of construction work. But for such a large and expensive project as a gas pipeline, additional guarantees are needed," the head of the Russian Cabinet of Ministers stressed.

                        .

                        In turn, First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation Sergei Prikhodko noted that the issue of obtaining guarantees from the EU when considering the option of laying the second string of the Turkish Stream with access to a gas distribution center in the Austrian Baumgarten concerns not only Bulgaria. “The final approval of the route for Russian gas supplies will, of course, take into account the position of the European Commission. We believe that the EU member states interested in Russian gas should receive firm guarantees from the European Union that the plans to build the second line of the Turkish Stream will not be violated by politically motivated by decision of Brussels, "Prikhodko told reporters on the eve of the visit of the Russian Prime Minister to Bulgaria
                        .
                      4. Brturin
                        Brturin 2 January 2020 01: 53
                        +2
                        These words and why they were said is a separate question (there is an opinion so as not to draw attention to this project ahead of time), but there are things - the Bulgarian section is being built, the Serbian section has been built and no one has yet protested this, nor the Romanians, who are not so sensitive to These issues are the Poles, the above quote is about the proposal to the Hungarians to connect and again there are no special warnings either from the EU or from others ... By the way, the same Sergey Prikhodko about the Serbian section - "Interaction with Serbia is developing most actively. 402 km long, intended to receive gas from the Turkish Stream ... With the commissioning of the entire system of transit gas pipelines continuing the Turkish Stream, Serbia will reliably meet the domestic demand for gas, and will also transit the "blue fuel" to the countries Central Europe "- the truth is already in October 2019 and somehow without mentioning the EU ...
                        With regard to Serbia, they consider that this issue has been agreed with the European Energy Community, in accordance with 3 energy packages
                        According to him, the structure headed by him established the Transportgas Serbia company on October 1 this year and will continue the process of dividing the spheres of activity in accordance with the requirements of the EU and the European Energy Community. In the coming period, Serbiyagaz will begin to build an interconnector Nis - Dimitrovgrad - Sofia, for which European funds have been allocated in the amount of € 48 million, as well as an interconnector with Romania, which together with the gas supply from Baumgarten (Central European Gas Hub) and a gas pipeline from the Bulgarian to the Hungarian border as a continuation of the Turkish Stream will create conditions for the opening of the gas market in Serbia as early as October 1, 2020 in accordance with European rules and regulations, "the press service of the company he heads is quoted by Bayatovic. It is reported that the EU has allocated € 1,7 for the creation of SCADA software for managing Serbia's gas transmission system. XNUMX million
                        https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7198233
                      5. pytar
                        pytar 2 January 2020 09: 57
                        +2
                        Dear colleague, the same expert on the topic as you). By the way, ask him whose property, for example, is the Serbian section through which supposedly gas will go to Europe. Well, or about the rule from the 3rd energy package by which new pipelines should not cause economic harm to the old ones, and like Romania ...

                        Serbia and Turkey are not EU members. I do not pretend to be "knowledgeable", even though ... I worked for 4 years on the Bulgarian side along the UP, and I am responsible for part of the BP route. hi Further kolega BrTurin (Boris) gave you detailed and quite competent explanations.
                        Medvedev: firm guarantees from the EU are needed to extend the "Turkish Stream" through Bulgaria

                        Doesn't it tell you that the TP has reached the Bulgarian border and the pipe is already connected? And also Gazprom has booked capacity. In general, the statements of VVP and Medvedev seemed "interesting" to me, since there were only 2 options for continuing the TP - through Bulgaria and Greece - the wallpaper of the EU country. They have the same EU regulations / laws. It's funny, the second line was built, reached the coast and began to "demand a guarantee"! And if you haven't received it? What will they do with it, because it was originally intended for European consumers? laughing
                      6. Liam
                        Liam 2 January 2020 11: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: pytar
                        Serbia and Turkey are not EU members.

                        This once again confirms that you have no idea what is written in the 3rd energy package.
                        Quote: pytar
                        The fact that the TP reached the border of Bulgaria and the pipe is already connected to you, doesn’t it mean something?

                        To you the fact that Gazprom buried hundreds of km of pipes onshore onshore and then wrote off at a loss, paid hundreds of millions of dollars of forfeit to SAIPEM, disgraced by TV reports about the first pipes of UP in Bulgaria, laid the SP-2 pipes to Danim and there they ran in the absence of permits from the latter - doesn’t say anything?
                        Quote: pytar
                        What will they do with it, since it was originally intended for European consumers?

                        These are not EU problems. In the EU there are TANAP and TAP. And TP will not receive any permissions.
                      7. pytar
                        pytar 2 January 2020 12: 19
                        +2
                        This once again confirms that you have no idea what is written in the 3rd energy package.

                        Since you are such a connoisseur, we will accept your version ... Current did not understand what it is ?! lol
                        To you the fact that Gazprom buried hundreds of km of pipes onshore onshore and then wrote off at a loss, paid hundreds of millions of dollars of forfeit to SAIPEM, disgraced by TV reports about the first pipes of UP in Bulgaria, laid the SP-2 pipes to Danim and there they ran in the absence of permits from the latter - doesn’t say anything?

                        This tells me that Gazprom has problems .. In logistics and even in concepts ... They somehow decided that the world revolves around them! It turned out wrong ...
                        These are not EU problems. In the EU there are TANAP and TAP. And TP will not receive any permissions.

                        With the border of the EU, this is a problem of the EU (and already in coastal waters). The fact is still little known: During pre-trial proceedings (2018-2019), the EC and Gazprom agreed that one of the entry points to the EU necessarily will be on the border of Bulgaria. Therefore, the "threats" from the Russian side looked very funny. authorities that may pass through Greece. They could have been (at least more expensive), but the branch to Bulgaria still remained in charge. bully
                      8. Liam
                        Liam 2 January 2020 14: 12
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                        Quote: pytar
                        Since you are such a connoisseur

                        On April 15, 2019, the EU Council approved amendments to the EU Gas Directive, which is part of the EU’s Third Energy Package, on the extension of European standards to gas pipelines going to the EU from third countries. They will have to work according to the same rules as pipelines located on the territory of EU Member States.

                        There are four basic rules. The first stipulates that the same company that produces and sells gas (the so-called unbundling, or the separation of assets) cannot transport gas. The second is the access of third companies to the gas pipeline. The third requirement - competitive tariffs for gas transportation will be set by the regulator of the recipient country. Fourth, the gas pipeline should work transparently, in particular with regard to security of supply
                        Quote: pytar
                        It tells me

                        What are building again at random
                      9. pytar
                        pytar 2 January 2020 15: 03
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                        On April 15, 2019, the EU Council approved amendments to the EU Gas Directive, which is part of the EU’s Third Energy Package, on the extension of European standards to gas pipelines going to the European Union from third countries ...

                        We must read the whole directive, not one segment from it! And you need to understand what is written! There are exceptions, there are some specific situations. This DIRECTIVE is at my office. bully They don’t do it at random, although there are certainly certain risks. hi
                      10. Brturin
                        Brturin 2 January 2020 20: 05
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                        Quote: pytar
                        Must read the whole directive

                        The directive is of course a directive, but there is another argument - the message of Bulgartransgaz - having received the news, you are interested in the country, but Phase 3 on the economic test is positive. With the application of podadenite angazhiraschi polzvatelite e rezerviran obyaveniya 100% of a frame for a capacity to Phase 3 Balgariia turskata-limit and 100% at a capacity obyaveniya Balgariia-srbskata boundary - https://www.bulgartransgaz.bg/bg/news/rezultati_ot_provedenata_faza_3_na_ikonomicheskiya_test_i_uspeshno_priklyuchvane_na_procedurata_open_seas -442-c15.html - 100% of the capacity is reserved on the Bulgarian-Turkish border and 100% of capacity on the Bulgarian-Serbian border, so no 50%. Soon the year will be this decision, after which the contracts were concluded and only after that a tender was announced for the construction (with all its litigations between the contractors) - but nobody protested the results of this booking for the year ....
                      11. pytar
                        pytar 2 January 2020 22: 10
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                        It is, Boris. In fact, everything is going fine and there is no reason for concern. The system will work as planned. Hopefully in the end, the average consumer will be satisfied. And the suppliers ... well, I do not have shares in Gazprom and I can not worry about Miler ... yes
                    3. pytar
                      pytar 2 January 2020 00: 27
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                      from which alternative sources to Gazprom is the pipe replenished ..

                      I apologize for not saying that LNG is already being delivered in Bulgaria from the LNG terminal in Alexandroupolis / Greece /. According to the internal Bulgarian gas transmission network, it can be pumped to the Balkan stream, and in any direction. hi In 2019, we already bought 300 million square meters, and this year we gave a request for 450 million square meters. It turns out 30% cheaper than Gazprom. Until recently, Gazprom had been 100% monopolists in the Bulgarian market. Bulgaria received gas at inflated prices.
        2. pytar
          pytar 1 January 2020 21: 09
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          EU approvals for this pipe?

          Bulgaria, as a member of the EU, has conducted tenders in accordance with the legislation of the Union. Moreover, the EU is funding this project. There are no problems.
  18. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 1 January 2020 20: 36
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    Well, here we are all pumped up ... Who does not agree?
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 20: 52
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    What gas, specify. And then the air is also gas. Not a vacuum in these pipes. laughing
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 21: 05
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    Right now the Mercans will confiscate this Temenushka. laughing
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  22. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 21: 11
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    Hmm, and why when I hear about the Bulgarians, I want to piss someone? Ridiculous. laughing Bulgargaz EAD continues negotiations with Gazprom Export to reduce the price of natural gas supplies for the country, while the Bulgarian side insists that the delivery price for the Bulgarian consumer reflects the development of prices for the liquefied continental gas hub and current border prices for Germany / France / Italy.

    The interest of both sides implies that the negotiations should be completed as soon as possible in early 2020. " laughing
  23. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 January 2020 21: 14
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    Bulgarians have squandered the opportunity to earn good money for YuzhPotok themselves - they listened to "friends", like the late McCain ... Now all that remains is to count the penny "savings". Paramog ... laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 2 January 2020 00: 36
      +2
      The Bulgarians profiled the opportunity to earn good money for YuzhPotok themselves.

      Bulgarians have missed the "opportunity" to bankrupt South Stream. Because, in the form in which it was promoted by Gazprom, it could not make money. laughing
  24. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 1 January 2020 22: 38
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    Great news: gas to Europe began to flow through the Turkish Stream! Hooray!!!
  25. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 1 January 2020 22: 40
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    Quote: rocket757
    True, gingerbread is a one-time sweetness, and transit and "buns" are appropriate, it would be for a long time.

    And is it a carrot at all? Maybe just a promise not to give poddy?
  26. Rzzz
    Rzzz 2 January 2020 00: 42
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    By the way, what is described in the contract in case the gas consumer pumps less than the required 65-40 cubic meters? They will say "well, we don't need more than 20", for example. This will lead to force majeure, or will there be any sanctions again?
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 January 2020 06: 40
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    It can’t. The capacities are reserved by Gazprom. The restriction by half was bypassed with the help of the Turks.

    Transit and delivery are different things. So there is no choice. What we will actually find out after the New Year.

    In principle, Bulgaria is trying to do the same as h..ly. As soon as transit appears, the demand for discounts begins.

    Therefore, the direct channel is always better. And gas, except for Russian gas, is becoming less and less in the EU, 2023 billion cubic meters of gas are discharged from Norway until 25, + other suppliers are pretty small and become consumers themselves + we don’t forget the abandonment of nuclear power plants in Germany + Polyaks don’t forget will have to close their coal stations because of rising EU fines for greenbacks laughing
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 January 2020 08: 42
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    It's time to exclude this term "brothers" from the lexicon, so that the Russian younger generation treats the Bulgarians in the same way as, for example, Moroccans, Uruguayans, or Somalis ... Exactly and indifferently .. There should be no new "Russian soldiers Alyos" in the countries spitting in the back of Russia ... And there is no need to tryndet about the "bad elites" and loving Russians "common people". The common people are happy to blame the Russians for their troubles, who "abandoned" them after the USSR, stopped feeding from a spoon and wiping their ass ... Naked pragmatism and all for money - that's the only way with the former "brothers" .. How were the bears and will ... Ugh on them. : With the Poles would not have fought for the right to be a beloved wife)) laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 2 January 2020 10: 36
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      It's time to exclude this term "brothers" from the lexicon, so that the Russian younger generation treats the Bulgarians in the same way as, for example, Moroccans, Uruguayans, or Somalis ... Exactly and indifferent .. Ugh on them.

      I look, you are very actively working in that direction! laughing All your comments are in the same vein! It is unlikely to affect the thinking part of the population. bully
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 January 2020 09: 28
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    I thought they found their gas field and established production.

    And what is independence? laughing
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    1. pytar
      pytar 2 January 2020 11: 00
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      Yeah ... Grinders now went mercantile - all diamond rings require, that is, diamond circles.

      Of course, the grinders are all to blame for you! lol It’s like some saints live in Gazprom! They live very well by the way ... yes
  31. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 January 2020 09: 49
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    "From January to September 2019, the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TANAP) - the main part of the Southern Gas Corridor project - transported about 1,798 billion cubic meters of gas, said Azerbaijan's state oil company SOCAR."

    At the same time, Azerbaijan purchased 999 million cubic meters from Russia and another 799,2 million cubic meters were imported from Iran. Total 1 billion 798,2 million cubic meters of gas. Amazingly matching digits to the point.

    I’ll add, before the launch of TANAP, Azerbaijan purchased only 349 million cubic meters of gas laughing lol
  32. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 January 2020 10: 39
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    Realizing that, despite all the rejection of reality, there is no other alternative, a number of oil and gas TNCs are trying to "find" the missing gas on the other side of the Caspian - in Turkmenistan. Formally, any project there is impossible until the final demarcation of the water area, the process of which is underway, but is still far from completion. In practice, Western lawyers think that they have found a "gap" that will allow them to start designing a joint Azerbaijani-Turkmen project to lay the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline. Georgia enlisted the support of the European Commission and expressed its readiness to finance the start of the design work.

    Turkmenistan's interest in "joining" the Southern Gas Corridor is simple. In 2016, Russia stopped the purchase of Turkmen gas, and in early 2017, Turkmenistan fell out with Iran, as a result of which it was deprived of exports there. As a result, the country is able to produce 75-80 billion cubic meters of gas per year, and sells only 29,6 billion to its only buyer - China, which takes advantage of Ashgabat's stalemate and pays little - only $ 185 per thousand cubic meters. The drop in export earnings hit the country's revenues hard and forced the Turkmen government to significantly cut social guarantees. The money received is only enough to service the loans received from China.

    The implementation of the TAP will allow directing the "available surplus" through the Southern Corridor "to the West." They are preparing to go on the first line 12-15 billion, then another 15-16 billion on the second. The project is actively supported by EU banks and that part of the European elite, which actively does not like the forced rapprochement of the European Union with Russia.

    Theoretically, Turkmen gas can provide both additional loading of TANAP and the needs of the Trans-Adriatic part of the Southern Gas Corridor. In the long term, even press Gazprom. And if you look very far away and take into account the very, very long-term plans (today they are rather just dreams, although not without reasonable grounds) of Turkmenistan to double its production with Western help, Europe can really get through the Southern Corridor (taking into account its expansion) up to about 90 billion cubic meters of gas, which is approximately 70-75% of the current supply of Gazprom to the EU. In theory.

    Because in practice, for the next five years, 6 billion cubic meters is all that Turkmenistan is able to pass through the SGC. Consequently, they will not reach the European border of Turkey at all. At the same time, in the next three to four years, Nord Stream 2 and South Stream 2 will be commissioned, which will increase Russian gas exports to Europe from 155,9 (2017 data) to 226-227 billion cubes per year.

    Against this background, even if Azerbaijan manages to increase production to at least 18 billion, and Turkmenistan manages to miraculously stretch the first branch along the bottom of the Caspian, then even in this case Europe will reach 22-24 billion cubic meters from the force, which will make up 10% of Russian volumes. They will certainly bring additional money to suppliers, but they will not be able to seriously affect the overall balance of supply and demand in the European gas market, especially given the drop in European production. The dominance of Russian gas in Europe has no alternative.
  33. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 January 2020 10: 41
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    Quote: pytar
    It's time to exclude this term "brothers" from the lexicon, so that the Russian younger generation treats the Bulgarians in the same way as, for example, Moroccans, Uruguayans, or Somalis ... Exactly and indifferent .. Ugh on them.

    I look, you are very actively working in that direction! laughing All your comments are in the same vein! It is unlikely to affect the thinking part of the population. bully

    Well, yes. Thinking Russians just think so. laughing Twisting the "brothers" a fig behind the back laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 2 January 2020 11: 06
      +2
      Well, yes Thinking Russians just think so. Twisting the "brothers" a fig behind the back

      Do they personally report to you? laughing Twisting the fig you there ... more closely ... you will break the finger ... lol
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin 2 January 2020 11: 29
        -2
        You break in front if your legs do not lean forward laughing
        1. pytar
          pytar 2 January 2020 12: 26
          +3
          You will break in front if your legs do not lean forward ..

          Your fantasies will probably be interesting for psychologists ... laughing Okay. The topic is not the same. bully
  34. Sergst
    Sergst 2 January 2020 12: 27
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    Quote: Sergst
    I wonder how you can get so many minuses for the facts? After all, only the facts and nothing more D-ug wrote, and then he got ...
    Plus

    Even more interesting, even for this message received five minuses. Interesting things are happening here ...
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