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“Do not take Soviet sailors captive”: story of a participant in the battle of Moscow

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The Battle of Moscow was the first battle for the Nazis in which they not only failed, but were also thrown back. At the same time, the battle of Moscow in World War II was an event that instilled confidence in the Red Army, showing that the army of Nazi Germany and its allies was not invincible.


In the documentary issue on the channel "Sladkov +" came out material in which the first person talks about the battles near Moscow. The protagonist of the documentary prepared by war correspondent Alexander Sladkov was retired colonel Victor Naumov, a veteran of World War II, a marine, a participant in the Moscow battle.

The war veteran talks about the German order, which prescribed not to capture Soviet sailors and gunners.

Victor Naumov in his narrative talks about how the Nazis were afraid of Soviet sailors. Moreover, this fear eventually resulted in impotent rage and mockery of the dead Soviet soldiers.

Victor Naumov:

They cut stars on some forehead soldiers.


According to the most conservative estimates, the battle of Moscow claimed about 940 thousand Soviet soldiers, and another 900 thousand were attributed to the so-called sanitary losses. The Nazis near Moscow lost as much as before that they had not lost in any of the operations of World War II - more than 600 thousand people, along with the missing.

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  1. igorlvov
    igorlvov 29 December 2019 14: 44 New
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    why do I see a kapperrang, not a colonel marine
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 December 2019 15: 04 New
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      Quote: igorlvov
      why do I see a kapperrang, not a colonel marine

      You do not confuse those times with the post-war times. He fought near Moscow, and there they fought the "naval rifle brigades" recruited from sailors and commanders of the SHIP composition, mainly Pacific.
      Personally, in the suburbs I saw a mass grave for the fighters and commanders of one of these brigades. I was struck by the inscription on the monument, there are a dozen names listed and added: "..and (I don’t remember the exact number, but a few hundred) commanders and sailors ....- infantry brigade." Honestly, I was simply amazed ... several hundred unknown soldiers, but how were they sent to the front from the ships? Well, were there any lists?
      And honestly, by order, I don’t believe in the living, there are many photos of our captured sailors who died already in prisoner-of-war camps there near Moscow.
      1. knn54
        knn54 29 December 2019 15: 49 New
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        My grandfather, a sailor-radio operator, was a prisoner of a concentration camp in Norway.
        The order concerned the Marines - "black death", black devils. "
        By the way, there was a directive of the Nazi command, according to other sources, Hitler, which read:
        "Sailors and miners should not be taken prisoner, but destroyed on the spot",
        1. svp67
          svp67 29 December 2019 18: 57 New
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          Quote: knn54
          "Sailors and miners should not be taken prisoner, but destroyed on the spot",

          Sorry, but only the order of the obligatory destruction of documents has been documented: Jews, commissars and communists.
          1. Avior
            Avior 30 December 2019 01: 29 New
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            There were "Instructions on the treatment of political commissars."
            according to these instructions of political workers, the Germans were accused of violating international law and ordered not to be considered prisoners of war.
            2. Political commissioners - the initiators of the barbaric Asian methods of warfare. Therefore, they should be acted immediately and without delay with all mercilessness. If they show armed resistance, they should be immediately eliminated by force of arms.

            Commissars are not recognized as soldiers; no international legal protection applies to them.


            The "Decree on Commissars" was featured among documentary evidence of Nazi crimes at the Nuremberg trials.
            But there is no direct mention of communists and Jews
            Political workers needed to be identified as
            “2. Political commissars can be identified as hostile bodies by the special insignia of the red star with the sickle and hammer on its sleeve woven on it.”

            The Nazis believed that the Bolsheviks and Jews are one and the same.
            Therefore, although the formal decision on the extermination of Jews was made only at the Wannsee Conference, in fact, the murders of Jews began already at the beginning of the war.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 29 December 2019 21: 04 New
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          Quote: knn54
          The order concerned the Marines - "black death", black devils. "

          there were no classical marines (if you look at the chronicle - fighters in caps), there were rifle brigades from sailors, my great-grandfather, the warrant officer from the cruiser Chervona Ukraine, went to the front, three prisoners - three shoots, the last one wounded in the leg - I walked with a cane .
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 December 2019 03: 50 New
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            Quote: PSih2097
            there were no classic marines (if you look at the chronicle - fighters in visors)

            Not near Moscow, but in the Black Sea and in the North "classical" ones were born, that is, they were capable of operating from a "ship to shore" and they were appreciated there. Unlike the Baltic, where such units were destroyed over and over again
            1. Avior
              Avior 30 December 2019 12: 08 New
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              in Olshansky’s landing there were precisely marines from the 384th separate marine battalion.
              But the landing lists (all 55 marines received the rank of GSS, most posthumously) included mainly naval Red Navy men and foremen, but one could see a Red Army man and a junior sergeant.
              http://www.polk.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=8525
      2. polar fox
        polar fox 29 December 2019 16: 00 New
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        Quote: svp67
        He fought near Moscow, and there they fought the "naval rifle brigades" recruited from sailors and commanders of the SHIP composition, mainly Pacific.

        my grandfather near Moscow received his first wound ... when they arrived, they were given sailor's overcoats ... and before the attack on the night the snow fell ...
      3. igorlvov
        igorlvov 29 December 2019 18: 50 New
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        but the photo is modern, that's why I say that he is not a colonel
        1. svp67
          svp67 29 December 2019 18: 57 New
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          Quote: igorlvov
          but the photo is modern, that's why I say that he is not a colonel

          So after he returned to the ships ... the usual story for those times.
          1. igorlvov
            igorlvov 29 December 2019 19: 06 New
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            so claim to the article there retired colonel Victor Naumov
            1. svp67
              svp67 29 December 2019 19: 12 New
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              Quote: igorlvov
              so a claim to the article, there retired colonel Viktor Naumov

              And you are GOOD. I didn’t notice. Right Well ... we still haven’t canceled the "kokarstvo", well, at least they still haven’t called the starlet
      4. PSih2097
        PSih2097 29 December 2019 20: 48 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Honestly, I was simply amazed ... several hundred unknown soldiers, but how were they sent to the front from the ships? Well, were there any lists?

        filling the medallion was a bad omen, this is now a photo and fingerprinting and DNA, and then there was nothing - they collected the dead, who had the medallion knocked out on the monument, who do not have that unknown soldier / officer ...
        “The war is not over until the last soldier is buried” Generalissimo Suvorov A.V ..
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 29 December 2019 15: 24 New
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      Blond beasts loved to mock. In the Black Book, Erenburg has a ton of facts. For instance:
      “Boris Finkel, who was captured near Melitopol, was carved on his back with a magendavid - a six-pointed star; according to local eyewitnesses, he was“ simply torn to pieces by the Nazis. ”Military lawyer Yakov Grinberg was captured in September 1941 in the Poltava region. According to eyewitnesses , his eyes were gouged out and stars were carved on his body. "
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 15: 55 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Blond beasts loved to mock.

        Instead of feeding people for a long time, watching them dig up roots and fight for them, what kind of pleasure is this?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 29 December 2019 16: 31 New
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          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Blond beasts loved to mock.

          Instead of feeding people for a long time, watching them dig up roots and fight for them, what kind of pleasure is this?

          Can I explain this there?
          https://www.netzulim.org/R/OrgR/Library/Shneer/Shneer_Plen/glava4os_v%5B2%5D.htm
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 29 December 2019 20: 51 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Can I explain this there?

            this cannot be explained at all, only if oligophrenic is a moron.
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      3. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 29 December 2019 17: 05 New
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        just like with Russian prisoners
    3. serg123
      serg123 29 December 2019 18: 32 New
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      look at the gaps on the shoulder straps and you’ll understand everything, maybe
      1. igorlvov
        igorlvov 29 December 2019 19: 07 New
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        and who should understand what?
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 29 December 2019 14: 50 New
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    I’m embarrassed to ask. And even more so to swipe at the holy. How old is this grandfather?
    I’m gray-haired! My grandfather was dug up a little alive on the nightingale field. The Fritz broke through ... He commander of the 152 mm howitzer fought with the reptiles. And he won. He died in 1997. The Kingdom of Heaven soldier
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2019 14: 59 New
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      The article writes Victor Naumov - a veteran of World War II, a marine, a participant in the Moscow battle. Not a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, but a veteran. Besides veterans of the Second World War, veterans also include other categories: rear workers, blockade workers, juvenile prisoners of concentration camps and ghettos, employees of state security agencies, partisans.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 29 December 2019 15: 03 New
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        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        The article writes Victor Naumov - a veteran of World War II, a marine, a participant in the Moscow battle. Not a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, but a veteran. Besides veterans of the Second World War, veterans also include other categories: rear workers, blockade workers, juvenile prisoners of concentration camps and ghettos, employees of state security agencies, partisans.
        hi The topic is sensitive. Here I do not want to specify anything. All with the coming! drinks
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 December 2019 15: 05 New
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          In general, this video is from 17.12.2011/8/XNUMX. It was removed XNUMX years ago. You too with the upcoming drinks
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 29 December 2019 15: 28 New
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            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich hi And let's be super patriots. And we ask the editors to resume the Lord of the Sith to publish weekly reports? Well, it’s clear that the reports are not camille. now amIn this period of the political situation bully
      2. Amateur
        Amateur 29 December 2019 15: 50 New
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        Not party World War II, and veteran. Besides veterans of the Second World War, other categories belong to veterans of the Second World War: rear workers,

        In the USSR, there were either "Participants of the Great Patriotic War" or home front workers almost equated to them, awarded with a medal


        And there was a Veteran there medal, which had nothing to do with the Second World War.


        Everything else is from the evil one.
        1. Rostislav Bely
          Rostislav Bely 29 December 2019 16: 51 New
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          did you watch the video? two galuns of golden color and one galun of dark red color to indicate three wounded: twice heavy and once light ... Two heavy orders of the Red Banner (compare with the workers of the NK, VD - at Venediktov and Echo)
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 December 2019 18: 11 New
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            It seems the medal • For Military Merit. " lost
            1. Rostislav Bely
              Rostislav Bely 29 December 2019 18: 30 New
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              it is true, he has two of them - the first one higher, possibly handed out after the war - From June 4, 1944 to September 14, 1957 the medal "For Military Merit" was also awarded for 10 years of service in the ranks of the Red Army, Navy, and agencies Home Affairs and State Security [
          2. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2019 20: 53 New
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            Quote: Rostislav White
            Two heavy orders of the Red Banner

            And before them the Order of Lenin - the highest award of the USSR
            1. Rostislav Bely
              Rostislav Bely 29 December 2019 21: 31 New
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              Victor Ivanovich Naumov was born on August 26, 1926 in the village
              Alexandrovka Znamensky district of the Smolensk region. Since childhood, he
              dreamed of the sea. It all started when the famous
              “Twenty Leagues Under the Sea” by Jules Verne.
              In 1941, on the very eve of the war, V.I. Naumov graduated from the seven-year plan and
              went to realize his dream in Moscow. However enter
              The Moscow Navy Special School failed. There were too many willing.
              Having decided that he would become a military anyway, Viktor Ivanovich entered the 5th
              artillery special school. In October, young gunners were evacuated to
              distant Siberia, to the city of Ishim. However, several people were left,
              they participated in the protection of various objects. So V.I. Naumov ended up in
              working squad of the Proletarian district. November 7th - the most significant
              day in the life of Viktor Ivanovich - on that day his dream came true, and
              members of the 1st Moscow detachment of sailors took him with them. He was then
              only 15 years old, but he has a strong physique and therefore believed that he was 17!
              The formed detachment was included in the 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade. In the battles near Moscow, Victor
              Ivanovich was wounded three times, after the last severe wound he was sent
              in Ishim.
              In April 1944, V.I. Naumov sent to the Red Banner
              training diving unit named after S.M. Kirov. After graduation
              was appointed junior commander of the Lembit submarine (S-35)
              KBF. In February-April 1945, the crew of the submarine sank 4 German
              warships and 1 transport, for which, in addition to awards, sailors were included
              in the number of participants in the Parade on Red Square. By this time the chest
              Viktor Ivanovich was decorated with the Order of the Patriotic War of the XNUMXst degree and
              medals “For courage”, “For military merits”, “For the defense of Moscow”.

              Perhaps the Order of Lenin after the Patriotic War - (Type 5 "Oval" 1957-91).
              In 1951, V.I. Naumov graduated from the Leningrad Higher Naval
              Engineering Order of Lenin College named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky. Served on
              diesel and nuclear submarines KBF, KTOF and KSF. Went to reserve
              deputy brigade commander of large ocean submarines.
              In 1978, Viktor Ivanovich came to work at the SCOLIFK (now
              RGUFK) teacher of the military department, since 1999 - senior
              teacher of civil defense. Honored Lecturer
              RSUFK. Since 2004 V.I. Naumov headed the department at the same institute.
              1. Avior
                Avior 29 December 2019 21: 52 New
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                It is strange that he has one order of World War II.
                It should have been the second one - they were awarded to almost all veterans in 1985.
                Three grandfathers lie, one in 1985 and a separate book on it
                1. Rostislav Bely
                  Rostislav Bely 29 December 2019 22: 29 New
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                  perhaps he is poorly visible - the only question is, he has the first type of "hanging", 1942-1943.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 29 December 2019 22: 30 New
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                    Yes, thanks, I saw the edge of the collar partially covers
              2. bubalik
                bubalik 29 December 2019 22: 42 New
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                Well, judging from the newspaper article, he took part in the "Caribbean crisis" on the B-4.
                He was the commander of the electro-mechanical warhead of a diesel submarine that made the transition along the Northern Sea Route from the Polar to Vladivostok. Deputy commander of 161 brigade 4 squadron of large ocean submarines KSF. After being transferred to the reserve from 1973 to 1978 he worked as a senior engineer at OK and research. Since 1978, lecturer at the military department of the State Center for Scientific Practical Medicine.
                1. Rostislav Bely
                  Rostislav Bely 29 December 2019 22: 52 New
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                  Lembit (Est. Lembit) - Estonian submarine, built in 1937 in the UK by order of the Estonian government, the second ship of the Kalev type. In 1940, the boat became part of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet of the USSR. Since 1979 - a museum ship in Tallinn.
                  Commander - artillery sailor in the Russian Navy.
                  The word comes from the English. commander (commander) in its second meaning: a non-commissioned officer who manages some kind of connection or technical device (for example, gun commander - gun commander). Earlier dictionaries of foreign words often explained the word commandant in this way: the eldest of a servant with a gun on a military ship; senior artillery servant in the navy, noting his English descent. In the US Armed Forces, in the Marine Corps, there are titles that are traditionally translated into Russian using the term commandor: gunnery sergeant (Gunnery Sergeant) and master gunnery sergeant (Master Gunnery Sergeant).
                  In the Russian Navy until 1917, the word commandant was the title of a sailor specially prepared for the performance of artillery duties. There were titles: the commandant and senior commandant. The senior (First) commandant ordered the gun and firing shots, the commandant (Second commandant) was in charge of the wedge and lifting screw with the gun. The commandants were trained at a special school as part of the artillery training team.
                  The commander in the Russian fleet of the Armed Forces of the Russian Empire belonged to the category of sailors and belonged to the specialists of the fleet.
    2. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 29 December 2019 15: 24 New
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      Fifteen-year-old went to the marines - there were such cases at that time, who attributed to themselves years, who were a pupil (son of a regiment) - my cousin of my father fell into a long-distance aviation as a fellow - fled to the front, orphans died before the war, bombed at the end of the war Berlin (in a carriage) was injured, a reward ...
    3. Avior
      Avior 29 December 2019 17: 59 New
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      Viktor Naumov died in 2013
      2011 shooting
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 29 December 2019 14: 51 New
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    The first phrase of the veteran is very relevant: "Well, what can I tell you, in fact, your age guys knew the Great Patriotic War as a keepsake" ...
  4. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 29 December 2019 17: 00 New
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    finally it came true that the panzers in 1941 weren’t so hot except for the shtug 3
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 29 December 2019 17: 07 New
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    Quote: Rostislav White
    Venediktov with Echo

    Venediktov-participant (veteran, etc.) Probably I have already begun to celebrate the New Year.
    Once in our office on Victory Day (a joke, Sooo serious organization), a comrade spoke. Veterans twisted their noses, but said nothing. Then, for a "glass of tea", and asked why. And he received a strange answer: "He is from a song. I remember everything that was not with me."
    I apologize in advance to all veterans whom this might offend. But "you won’t erase the same words from a song"
    1. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 29 December 2019 21: 09 New
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      You won’t throw words out of a song ... I'm talking about his "ancestors" - one of which was in a "death"

      something reminiscent of a classic

      About nightingale songs about Sudoplatov and the like, KAMeretskov would tell you how they brought to life during interrogations a la SchwarzmanLL (Zionist conspiracy in the MGB with Abakumov), urinated on the head ... who should be shot anyway after Stalin’s death
  6. gridasov
    gridasov 29 December 2019 18: 59 New
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    loss ratio makes you think!
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      1. gridasov
        gridasov 3 January 2020 11: 21 New
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        This is worth talking about. About Victory algorithms and the result that is associated with Victory in different ways. Now it is precisely the assessment of historical events from different worldviews that is taking place.