“Do not take Soviet sailors captive”: story of a participant in the battle of Moscow

The Battle of Moscow was the first battle for the Nazis in which they not only failed, but were also thrown back. At the same time, the battle of Moscow in World War II was an event that instilled confidence in the Red Army, showing that the army of Nazi Germany and its allies was not invincible.

In the documentary issue on the channel "Sladkov +" came out material in which the first person talks about the battles near Moscow. The protagonist of the documentary prepared by war correspondent Alexander Sladkov was retired colonel Victor Naumov, a veteran of World War II, a marine, a participant in the Moscow battle.

The war veteran talks about the German order, which prescribed not to capture Soviet sailors and gunners.

Victor Naumov in his narrative talks about how the Nazis were afraid of Soviet sailors. Moreover, this fear eventually resulted in impotent rage and mockery of the dead Soviet soldiers.

Victor Naumov:

They cut stars on some forehead soldiers.

According to the most conservative estimates, the battle of Moscow claimed about 940 thousand Soviet soldiers, and another 900 thousand were attributed to the so-called sanitary losses. The Nazis near Moscow lost as much as before that they had not lost in any of the operations of World War II - more than 600 thousand people, along with the missing.

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[igorlvov]

why do I see a kapperrang, not a colonel marine

[svp67]

Quote: igorlvov

why do I see a kapperrang, not a colonel marine

Do not confuse THESE times with the post-war times. He also fought near Moscow, and there fought "naval rifle brigades" recruited from the sailors and commanders of the SHIP personnel, mainly from the Pacific.
Personally, in the suburbs, I saw a mass grave for soldiers and commanders of one of these brigades. I was struck by the inscription on the monument, it lists a dozen names and added: "... and also (I don't remember the exact number, but the number is several hundred) of commanders and sailors .... - a rifle sea brigade." Honestly, I was just amazed ... several hundred unknown soldiers, but how were they sent to the front from the ships? Well, were there lists?
And honestly, by order, I don’t believe in the living, there are many photos of our captured sailors who died already in prisoner-of-war camps there near Moscow.

[knn54]

My grandfather, a sailor-radio operator, was a prisoner of a concentration camp in Norway.
The order was for the black death marines, black devils. "
By the way, there was a directive of the Nazi command, according to other sources, Hitler, which read:
"Seamen and miners should not be taken prisoner, but destroyed on the spot",

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

"Seamen and miners should not be taken prisoner, but destroyed on the spot",

Sorry, but only the order of the obligatory destruction of documents has been documented: Jews, commissars and communists.

[Avior]

There were "Instructions on the treatment of political commissars."
according to these instructions of political workers, the Germans were accused of violating international law and ordered not to be considered prisoners of war.

2. Political commissioners - the initiators of the barbaric Asian methods of warfare. Therefore, they should be acted immediately and without delay with all mercilessness. If they show armed resistance, they should be immediately eliminated by force of arms.

Commissars are not recognized as soldiers; no international legal protection applies to them.

The "Decree on Commissars" was featured among documentary evidence of Nazi crimes at the Nuremberg trials.
But there is no direct mention of communists and Jews
Political workers needed to be identified as
“2. Political commissars can be identified as hostile bodies by the special insignia of the red star with the sickle and hammer on its sleeve woven on it.”

The Nazis believed that the Bolsheviks and Jews are one and the same.
Therefore, although the formal decision on the extermination of Jews was made only at the Wannsee Conference, in fact, the murders of Jews began already at the beginning of the war.

[PSih2097]

Quote: knn54

The order was for the black death marines, black devils. "

there were no classic marines (if you look at the chronicle - fighters in caps), there were rifle brigades of sailors, my great-grandfather was a midshipman from the cruiser "Chervona Ukraina" to the front, three captivity - three escapes, with the last one was wounded in the leg - he walked with a cane ...

[svp67]

Quote: PSih2097

there were no classic marines (if you look at the chronicle - fighters in visors)

Not near Moscow, but on the Black Sea and in the North the "classical" ones have already arisen, that is, those capable of operating from "ship to shore" and they were appreciated there. Unlike the Baltic, where such units were destroyed time after time

[Avior]

in Olshansky’s landing there were precisely marines from the 384th separate marine battalion.
But the landing lists (all 55 marines received the rank of GSS, most posthumously) included mainly naval Red Navy men and foremen, but one could see a Red Army man and a junior sergeant.
http://www.polk.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=8525

[polar fox]

Quote: svp67

He also fought near Moscow, and there fought "naval rifle brigades" recruited from the sailors and commanders of the SHIP personnel, mainly from the Pacific.

my grandfather near Moscow received his first wound ... when they arrived, they were given sailor's overcoats ... and before the attack on the night the snow fell ...

[igorlvov]

but the photo is modern, that's why I say that he is not a colonel

[svp67]

Quote: igorlvov

but the photo is modern, that's why I say that he is not a colonel

So after he returned to the ships ... the usual story for those times.

[igorlvov]

so claim to the article there retired colonel Victor Naumov

[svp67]

Quote: igorlvov

so a claim to the article, there retired colonel Viktor Naumov

And you are a GOOD MAN. Didn't notice. Exactly. Well ... no one has canceled our "ko-karstvo", well at least they haven't called it a starlet yet

[PSih2097]

Quote: svp67

Honestly, I was simply amazed ... several hundred unknown soldiers, but how were they sent to the front from the ships? Well, were there any lists?

filling the medallion was a bad omen, this is now a photo and fingerprinting and DNA, and then there was nothing - they collected the dead, who had the medallion knocked out on the monument, who do not have that unknown soldier / officer ...
“The war is not over until the last soldier is buried” Generalissimo Suvorov A.V ..

[Aaron Zawi]

The blond beasts loved to make fun of. Ehrenburg has a ton of facts in the Black Book. For instance:
“Boris Finkel, who was taken prisoner near Melitopol, had a Magendavid, a six-pointed star, carved on his back; according to local residents, eyewitnesses, he was“ simply torn to pieces by the Nazis. ”Military lawyer Yakov Grinberg was taken prisoner in September 1941 in the Poltava region. , his eyes were gouged out and stars were carved into his body. "

[svp67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Blond beasts loved to mock.

Instead of feeding people for a long time, watching them dig up roots and fight for them, what kind of pleasure is this?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Blond beasts loved to mock.

Instead of feeding people for a long time, watching them dig up roots and fight for them, what kind of pleasure is this?

Can I explain this there?
https://www.netzulim.org/R/OrgR/Library/Shneer/Shneer_Plen/glava4os_v%5B2%5D.htm

[PSih2097]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Can I explain this there?

this cannot be explained at all, only if oligophrenic is a moron.

[Ryaruav]

just like with Russian prisoners

[serg123]

look at the gaps on the shoulder straps and you’ll understand everything, maybe

[igorlvov]

and who should understand what?

[Observer2014]

I’m embarrassed to ask. And even more so to swipe at the holy. How old is this grandfather?
I’m gray-haired! My grandfather was dug up a little alive on the nightingale field. The Fritz broke through ... He commander of the 152 mm howitzer fought with the reptiles. And he won. He died in 1997. The Kingdom of Heaven

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The article writes Victor Naumov - a veteran of World War II, a marine, a participant in the Moscow battle. Not a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, but a veteran. Besides veterans of the Second World War, veterans also include other categories: rear workers, blockade workers, juvenile prisoners of concentration camps and ghettos, employees of state security agencies, partisans.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

The article writes Victor Naumov - a veteran of World War II, a marine, a participant in the Moscow battle. Not a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, but a veteran. Besides veterans of the Second World War, veterans also include other categories: rear workers, blockade workers, juvenile prisoners of concentration camps and ghettos, employees of state security agencies, partisans.

The topic is sensitive. Here I do not want to specify anything. All with the coming!

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In general, this video is from 17.12.2011/8/XNUMX. It was removed XNUMX years ago. You too with the upcoming

[Observer2014]

Aristarkh Lyudvigovich And let's be super patriots. And we ask the editors to resume the Lord of the Sith to publish weekly reports? Well, it’s clear that the reports are not camille. now In this period of the political situation

[Amateur]

Not party World War II, and veteran. Besides veterans of the Second World War, other categories belong to veterans of the Second World War: rear workers,

In the USSR, there were either "Participants of the Second World War" or almost equated to them home front workers, awarded a medal

And there was a medal "Veteran there", which had nothing to do with the Second World War.

Everything else is from the evil one.

[Rostislav Bely]

did you watch the video? two galuns of golden color and one galun of dark red color to indicate three wounded: twice heavy and once light ... Two heavy orders of the Red Banner (compare with the workers of the NK, VD - at Venediktov and Echo)

[Avior]

It seems the medal • For Military Merit. " lost

[Rostislav Bely]

it is true, he has two of them - the first one higher, possibly handed out after the war - From June 4, 1944 to September 14, 1957 the medal "For Military Merit" was also awarded for 10 years of service in the ranks of the Red Army, Navy, and agencies Home Affairs and State Security [

[svp67]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

Two heavy orders of the Red Banner

And before them the Order of Lenin - the highest award of the USSR

[Rostislav Bely]

Victor Ivanovich Naumov was born on August 26, 1926 in the village
Alexandrovka Znamensky district of the Smolensk region. Since childhood, he
dreamed of the sea. It all started when the famous
“Twenty Leagues Under the Sea” by Jules Verne.
In 1941, on the very eve of the war, V.I. Naumov graduated from the seven-year plan and
went to realize his dream in Moscow. However enter
The Moscow Navy Special School failed. There were too many willing.
Having decided that he would become a military anyway, Viktor Ivanovich entered the 5th
artillery special school. In October, young gunners were evacuated to
distant Siberia, to the city of Ishim. However, several people were left,
they participated in the protection of various objects. So V.I. Naumov ended up in
working squad of the Proletarian district. November 7th - the most significant
day in the life of Viktor Ivanovich - on that day his dream came true, and
members of the 1st Moscow detachment of sailors took him with them. He was then
only 15 years old, but he has a strong physique and therefore believed that he was 17!
The formed detachment was included in the 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade. In the battles near Moscow, Victor
Ivanovich was wounded three times, after the last severe wound he was sent
in Ishim.
In April 1944, V.I. Naumov sent to the Red Banner
training diving unit named after S.M. Kirov. After graduation
was appointed junior commander of the Lembit submarine (S-35)
KBF. In February-April 1945, the crew of the submarine sank 4 German
warships and 1 transport, for which, in addition to awards, sailors were included
in the number of participants in the Parade on Red Square. By this time the chest
Viktor Ivanovich was decorated with the Order of the Patriotic War of the XNUMXst degree and
medals “For courage”, “For military merits”, “For the defense of Moscow”.

Perhaps the Order of Lenin after the Patriotic War - (Type 5 "Oval" 1957-91).
In 1951, V.I. Naumov graduated from the Leningrad Higher Naval
Engineering Order of Lenin College named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky. Served on
diesel and nuclear submarines KBF, KTOF and KSF. Went to reserve
deputy brigade commander of large ocean submarines.
In 1978, Viktor Ivanovich came to work at the SCOLIFK (now
RGUFK) teacher of the military department, since 1999 - senior
teacher of civil defense. Honored Lecturer
RSUFK. Since 2004 V.I. Naumov headed the department at the same institute.

[Avior]

It is strange that he has one order of World War II.
It should have been the second one - they were awarded to almost all veterans in 1985.
Three grandfathers lie, one in 1985 and a separate book on it

[Rostislav Bely]

perhaps he is poorly visible - the only question is, he has the first type of "hanging", 1942-1943.

[Avior]

Yes, thanks, I saw the edge of the collar partially covers

[bubalik]

,, Well, judging from the article in the newspaper, he took part in the "Caribbean crisis" on the B-4.
He was the commander of the electro-mechanical warhead of a diesel submarine that made the transition along the Northern Sea Route from the Polar to Vladivostok. Deputy commander of 161 brigade 4 squadron of large ocean submarines KSF. After being transferred to the reserve from 1973 to 1978 he worked as a senior engineer at OK and research. Since 1978, lecturer at the military department of the State Center for Scientific Practical Medicine.

[Rostislav Bely]

Lembit (Est. Lembit) - Estonian submarine, built in 1937 in the UK by order of the Estonian government, the second ship of the Kalev type. In 1940, the boat became part of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet of the USSR. Since 1979 - a museum ship in Tallinn.
Commander - artillery sailor in the Russian Navy.
The word comes from the English. commander (commander) in its second meaning: a non-commissioned officer who manages some kind of connection or technical device (for example, gun commander - gun commander). Earlier dictionaries of foreign words often explained the word commandant in this way: the eldest of a servant with a gun on a military ship; senior artillery servant in the navy, noting his English descent. In the US Armed Forces, in the Marine Corps, there are titles that are traditionally translated into Russian using the term commandor: gunnery sergeant (Gunnery Sergeant) and master gunnery sergeant (Master Gunnery Sergeant).
In the Russian Navy until 1917, the word commandant was the title of a sailor specially prepared for the performance of artillery duties. There were titles: the commandant and senior commandant. The senior (First) commandant ordered the gun and firing shots, the commandant (Second commandant) was in charge of the wedge and lifting screw with the gun. The commandants were trained at a special school as part of the artillery training team.
The commander in the Russian fleet of the Armed Forces of the Russian Empire belonged to the category of sailors and belonged to the specialists of the fleet.

[Rostislav Bely]

Fifteen-year-old went to the marines - there were such cases at that time, who attributed to themselves years, who were a pupil (son of a regiment) - my cousin of my father fell into a long-distance aviation as a fellow - fled to the front, orphans died before the war, bombed at the end of the war Berlin (in a carriage) was injured, a reward ...

[Avior]

Viktor Naumov died in 2013
2011 shooting

[parusnik]

The first phrase of the veteran is very relevant: "Well, what can I tell you, in fact the guys of your age knew the Great Patriotic War as a keepsake" ...

[Ryaruav]

finally it came true that the panzers in 1941 weren’t so hot except for the shtug 3

[Amateur]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

Venediktov with Echo

Venediktov-participant (veteran, etc.) Probably I have already begun to celebrate the New Year.
Once in our office on Victory Day (just kidding, it's a very serious organization), a comrade spoke up. The veterans twirled their noses, but said nothing. Then, over a "glass of tea", and asked why. And I got a strange answer: "He is from the song. I remember everything that was not with me."
I apologize in advance to any veterans who may be offended by this. But "you can't get the same words out of the song"

[Rostislav Bely]

You can't erase words from the song ... I'm talking about his "ancestors" - one of which was in the "somsha"

something reminiscent of a classic

About nightingale songs about Sudoplatov and the like, KAMeretskov would tell you how they brought to life during interrogations a la SchwarzmanLL (Zionist conspiracy in the MGB with Abakumov), urinated on the head ... who should be shot anyway after Stalin’s death

[gridasov]

loss ratio makes you think!

[gridasov]

This is worth talking about. About Victory algorithms and the result that is associated with Victory in different ways. Now it is precisely the assessment of historical events from different worldviews that is taking place.