Poland returns status to cities affected by "Russian tsarist repressions"

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The Polish media comment on the call of the Russian ambassador to the country's Foreign Ministry. Recall that a representative of the so-called Eastern Department spoke with the ambassador, declaring about "the inadmissibility of the statements made by Vladimir Putin about Poland’s guilt in aiding Hitler Germany."

Against this background, the largest Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita comes out with remarkable material regarding the assignment of urban status to 4 settlements of the country. Why is this material remarkable?



The fact is that in Poland they literally announced the following:

Four settlements (Charvinsk nad Vistula, Lututuv, Piontek and Klimontow) lost their right to be called cities as a result of repressions of tsarist Russia for helping the rebels during the famous uprising (1863).

In Poland, this rebellion is called January.

From the material:

Cities will regain their status after a century and a half. Their inhabitants never forgot about the harm done by tsarist Russia and the greatness of these cities.

It is noted that Charvinsk is a “special city for Poland”, as it is associated with the Battle of Grunwald in 1410.

The very statement that the cities “suffered from the Russian tsarist repression” and still could not again become settlements with urban status seems to be ridiculous. If Poland thinks so, then what prevented official Warsaw from returning the status of cities to these settlements earlier, rather than waiting for decades to end? ..

In fact, all these statements fit into the unified policy of the Polish authorities, based on such a pillar as Russophobia.
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  1. +43
    28 December 2019 13: 50
    It is interesting, and when we present Poland with demands to compensate for the damage from the Polish troops robbing Russia as part of Napoleon’s armies. And there were more than 100 thousand sabers there. And also for the robbery of Russian lands during the period of unrest in 1612
    1. +25
      28 December 2019 14: 22
      Good day, Yuri Grigoryevich. I wish you success and good health in the coming year.
      Napoleon, who invaded Russia in 1812, had 120 thousand Poles - every fifth soldier and officer of the "Great Army" It was the Polish uhlans, who "with colorful badges", attacked the Rayevsky battery. For some reason, people in modern Poland do not like to remember that the Battle of Borodino was, in essence, a battle between the Russians and the Poles. Napoleon brought 55000 Poles to the battlefield, 26000 of whom fell in battle. And out of 120 Poles who went on a Russian campaign, only a little more than 14 returned. The rest received "their well-deserved allotment of Russian land" of one and a half arshins
      But it is now unlikely that it will be possible to present a claim to Poland for this. "Pious" Emperor Alexander I granted the surviving Poles "Supreme Christian Forgiveness", and Poland itself a constitution
      1. +5
        28 December 2019 15: 05
        Another confirmation that "Europe of the first speed" has always treated the Poles as a consumable. And Poles today consider it an honor to give their lives for the unknown interests of others. From our side, they are worthy of nothing but contempt. And the meeting of our ambassador with a tenth rank Foreign Ministry official only postpones the opportunity to start at least some kind of dialogue. After such a meeting, our ambassador needs to wash his hands for a long time ... And a photo without a signature on Instagram
        1. +1
          29 December 2019 23: 41
          Let us recall the participation of the Poles in Napoleon’s Spanish campaign and their participation in the suppression of the (unsuccessful) uprising in Haiti, on the French side. And on the side of the Ottoman Empire in the war of 1877-78, the Poles fought with the Russian Empire.
      2. -9
        28 December 2019 17: 30
        Dear, Rich, I almost agree with you, but the dates bother me. Especially the battle of Borodino ... Purely historical, and in what year or year did this defeat begin to be compared to victory? M.Yu. Lermontava, as an example not to give? Connoisseurs ... time !!!
        1. +3
          29 December 2019 00: 55
          and with what fright Borodino became a defeat?) oh yes the custodians said that they took some provincial town of maskva after that ... well, Smolensk was also given ... but the results and consequences of the battle of Borodino were very sad for Napoleon and very good for the Russian army
          1. -1
            3 January 2020 16: 16
            And what is a victory? In fact, they were running like hares from Napoleon, they took them to death .... and not military valor
        2. +3
          29 December 2019 04: 14
          Monsher, your question doesn’t matter much whether the teacher of the gymnasium Naumenko in 1820 introduced the concept of the “Tatar yoke” to the question of the existence of this yoke. Borodino from a tactical loss was a great strategic victory as an objective reality already to the battles near Maloyarsavets, when Napoleon realized that he didn’t have enough gunpowder to make his way to Ukraine, and the new Russian militia was not afraid of his Polish lancers. And the last argument of the king, his valiant artillery does not have enough gunpowder. However, near Berezina, they finally flashed skill by suppressing Russian batteries and ensuring the crossing of the French. That is why Borodino was the victory of Russian weapons.
          1. 0
            30 December 2019 20: 47
            That is, if a chess player sacrificing pieces ... wins, then we should not honor him, because he lost the whole war ... and only the unfortunate position that developed at the very end did not allow another chess player to win ... Well, of course, so what that MAT, but the second had more pieces, and he chopped left and right ... And the gunpowder ... well, there wasn’t enough, there wasn’t ... And if there was gunpowder (the second queen, for example), then he would pile everything up. .. And Berezina, so ask the French about this name (for them it is a synonym for failure, not skill), for Russians it is certainly not a synonym for failure, Napoleon escaped from there, so you are not running from fate. We look at the articles from the History section. hi
    2. +4
      28 December 2019 15: 17
      And why shouldn't the proud pshekom "roll out" to Germany for the occupation and genocide of the Poles in the 12th - 13th centuries? A smart option - I think it will work.
    3. -42
      28 December 2019 15: 31
      And what was there to rob in Russia, not long ago those days of the former Mongol ulus? It was Russia that was dragging everything from Poland that could be done: libraries, the University of Warsaw was stolen and equipment was exported to Rostov in 1915. The Moscow ulus was Europeanized, adorned with Polish culture - we must remember this to the descendants of the ulus
      1. +12
        28 December 2019 15: 54
        So why did they attack in 1812 if there was nothing in Russia?
        1. -24
          28 December 2019 17: 46
          The ulus climbed into Poland and hosted it and had to .... but so actually try to remember, for example, where did the typography come to you from, where did Fedorov learn this, in the ulus, right? Musical European culture from the ulus, too, probably? Itd etc. Well, sometimes use the Internet, even in Russian there is some literature ..... From me here, as I see it, one benefit is education
          1. +10
            29 December 2019 00: 03
            nothing but stink from you
          2. +6
            29 December 2019 01: 51
            Quote: trump
            Ulus climbed into Poland and hosted, so he had to ....

            From under the master's stick means they climbed to us?
            1. +4
              29 December 2019 02: 25
              Vladimir, hello! And they always have itching in one place, there is such a skin disease when a person does not follow the norms of elementary hygiene. And here is a whole nation, and they categorically do not want to be treated. And it sometimes comes to frank insanity, well, like this statement about the "status of cities". After all, there are also reasonable, decent people, but for some reason, for some reason, something that is "lighter than water" always comes to the surface. request
              1. +3
                29 December 2019 02: 37
                Quote: Sea Cat
                And they always turned red in one place, there is such a skin disease when a person does not comply with basic hygiene.

                First they gather with the whole crowd, and then they begin: "I am not me, not my house ..." Napoleon forced the sinister, because in Russia there is nothing to take, on the contrary, they usually brought us culture and education. And this figure also enlightens us here, it turns out .. request
                1. +5
                  29 December 2019 05: 50
                  He believes that sitting in his Polish ulus has the right to do so. laughing These arrogant guys were always ruined by their self-confidence in their own infallibility. It will ruin these. The history of Poland has always been the same with regular cycles, but they do not notice this and are constantly blowing into their annoying tune. You don’t need to argue with him, let yourself ...
                  1. -1
                    3 January 2020 16: 35
                    And what Poland was also almost 350 years under the Mongols? Do you think that in Europe they stood on all fours before the Asian rulers? In Russian, it’s called to beat the brow - petition, to see that the head was so threshed that all the brains were raised
                    1. 0
                      3 January 2020 16: 57
                      Stanislav, I didn’t drink the Brudershaft with you, you want to talk, keep yourself in the bounds of decency. I also drank today, as, indeed, yesterday, but I’m not going to be rude to you.
                      To link the Tatar yoke with the eternal Polish question, this is already on the topic "in the garden of an elder, but in Kiev there is an uncle."
                      Someone from the Germans once said: "The big battalions are always right." It is not my fault that Germany and Russia have always had larger and better battalions in terms of quantity and quality than Poland. request
                      1. -1
                        3 January 2020 17: 24
                        Well, and you look at the "decency" from the Russian side, then you will understand everything, but in general you propose to drive everything into one gate (Polish)? But the ulus is mentioned above in the topic, as a statement that in the then Muscovy the possibilities of robbery were minimal, then libraries, musical instruments were not exported from Muscovy, Russia or the ulus to Poland (the Asian type was generally uninteresting, for example, domra (or dombra - I I confuse which is Russian and which is Asian, but the first comes from the second, balalaikas, etc.)) and other valuable things. Some of your clever people offer some compensation for the alleged Polish robbery in post-Mongolian Muscovy, but in fact Russia will have to compensate for the robberies, the person does not understand what he is talking about.
                        Look for fun "The West: Why Medieval Europe Needed Universities"

                        https://www.rsl.ru/ru/events/afisha/lections/arzamas-universities

                        Pay attention to the photo Astronomical Collection. Krakow, 1422-1424. Latin language RSL Manuscripts Department

                        Do you think that the tome ended up in Russia in a legal way? And why should the heirs of the ulus have a foreign medieval university culture to which you have absolutely nothing to do, and even in Latin?
                      2. 0
                        3 January 2020 17: 59
                        You know, if something really touched me here, I would dig up a bunch of examples for you about how the Poles fled from Russia to themselves everything they got. But I don't see the point. Poland is a meaningless state, and precisely because of its geographic location. And the "Leopards" are there in the boxes, or the "Armata" do not significantly influence its essence, sorry for the tautology. Happy New Year, by the way. hi
                      3. -1
                        3 January 2020 18: 04
                        Yes, this also doesn’t especially hurt me, taking into account how you used your heads 350 years in a row, there is also an opinion that the Eurasian is a dead end branch of human development (50% of Russians have an Asian gene - this is what genetics claims), of course, and you happy New Year
          3. 0
            29 December 2019 09: 24
            Musical European culture from the ulus, too, probably?

            Music has no boundaries. By the way, it was the Russian composers who had a huge impact on contemporary classical music.
      2. +9
        28 December 2019 16: 11
        Guys, don't answer, don't feed the troll! You can immediately see who dumped his opus.
        1. -19
          28 December 2019 17: 59
          Well, why hysteria? I suggest a discussion, an exchange of opinions, I don’t like it - don’t read, by the way, you don’t understand the meaning of the word troll, my data and statements can be easily checked, for example, on the Internet, because I don’t compose, probably because of your hysteria ... take care yourself and your weak nerves, health to you in the new year
      3. +3
        28 December 2019 17: 24
        Quote: trump
        This was Russia dragging everything from Poland that could be

        Oh, Donald, (trump) I don’t recognize you on the avatar. Have you lost your photo? I give it.

        Well, we are used to the fact that you are trying to pour your feces on us.
        1. -18
          28 December 2019 17: 40
          And what stool? type, for example, and google the history of the Rostov University, or Warsaw, if it is a type of bowel movement, then yours are used to saying .... noon
          1. +7
            28 December 2019 18: 23
            Quote: trump
            And what stool? Type, for example, and google

            That's just the last time on the Internet that your Russophobian Polish shit is already over the edge. You, the gentry, have always considered yourself superhuman.
          2. +4
            28 December 2019 18: 25
            It was an imperial university, most of the teachers and students of the University of Warsaw were not Poles by nationality.
            1. +2
              29 December 2019 05: 48
              But I don’t like it because in Soviet times they didn’t tell the truth to the Pshekam, and three tankmen and a dog defeated all the Nazis, and now Putin took off his pink glasses and how the pans got excited, they studied from Soviet textbooks and there wasn’t a word about it.
            2. -1
              3 January 2020 16: 12
              Oh, the imperial one, which existed on Polish money, and in one place your imperial ......, in Poland, universities have existed since the 14th century, and no Asian emperors were needed for this
    4. +4
      28 December 2019 15: 31
      I would like to ask you, as an experienced person, in what instances do you want to bring such a lawsuit? Who, at least theoretically, can support him? You understand perfectly well that the only court can take this lawsuit into consideration - a tribunal after we have taken at least Warsaw. What is the likelihood of such an event? And at the onset of this event, will anyone be involved as a defendant? Indeed, according to the established tradition, at our entrance to Poland, their leadership urgently crosses foreign borders
    5. +3
      28 December 2019 15: 54
      Quote: midshipman
      It is interesting, and when we present Poland with demands to compensate for the damage from the Polish troops robbing Russia as part of Napoleon’s armies. And there were more than 100 thousand sabers there. And also for the robbery of Russian lands during the period of unrest in 1612


      This does not count. Poles, like horses, all owed something or were guilty of something.
    6. 0
      28 December 2019 19: 01
      Quote: midshipman
      And also for the robbery of Russian lands during the period of unrest in 1612

      Well, given that sitting in a siege in the Kremlin instead of buckshot they loaded gold and silver coins into guns, then the claims will be very large ...
      Quote: Piramidon
      Oh, Donald, (trump) I don’t recognize you on the avatar. Have you lost your photo? I give it.

      Trump translated from English is a tramp, a trump card.
      More options:
      Trump is a card game.
      Trump is a glossy magazine.
      Trump is an Australian thoroughbred horse.
      Trump - a vessel that does not work on certain voyages; the flight of such a vessel.

      So it’s not a fact that Donald drew ...
    7. 0
      29 December 2019 08: 54
      Come on, present, do not forget to present Mongolia, Turkey, France, Sweden)))
  2. +5
    28 December 2019 13: 53
    "In fact, all these statements fit into the unified policy of the Polish authorities, based on such a pillar as Russophobia." "After such statements, I wish the panamas more thick birches and meet Ivan Susanin !!!!
    1. +10
      28 December 2019 14: 07
      Quote: Alien From
      In fact, all these statements fit into the unified policy of the Polish authorities

      The Polish authorities are just a small pebble into the general dump of the Russophobian war unleashed against us by the collective West. Unfortunately (wrap urapatrioty) we turned out to be ABSOLUTELY NOT READY for such a war. The global multimedia space is 99% controlled by our opponents. Try to object. Our little thing, such as RT does not count.
      1. +1
        28 December 2019 14: 12
        I allow myself to completely agree with you!)
      2. +5
        28 December 2019 14: 14
        Quote: Piramidon
        Unfortunately (wrap urapatrioty) we turned out to be ABSOLUTELY NOT READY for such a war

        Well, if you really weren’t ready, and even now the willingness to fight such aggression is slightly above zero, if Putin hadn’t said about the guilt of Pansky Poland in aiding Hitler, they would have sat below the grass, quieter than water ...
      3. -2
        28 December 2019 14: 16
        Or your demand to "minus" was not taken seriously.
        Or for the minus players, Christmas has begun.
        1. -5
          28 December 2019 14: 19
          Quote: demo
          Or your demand to "minus" was not taken seriously.
          Or for the minus players, Christmas has begun.

          Maybe UM got it request
          1. -3
            28 December 2019 14: 19
            That is unlikely.
          2. -3
            28 December 2019 14: 34
            This is not the level of citizens to use MIND .....
            1. +2
              28 December 2019 15: 08
              And their "mind" is exclusively collective. laughing
      4. 0
        28 December 2019 15: 06
        Piramidon (Stepan. Russia), most of all I agree with you. But we are not an empire, so it’s too early to shed tears.
      5. +2
        28 December 2019 15: 07
        Stepan hi I can add that Russia has NEVER been ready for more than one war ... BUT I managed to win almost all of these wars! !!!
        1. 0
          29 December 2019 03: 30
          Quote: Thrifty
          Russia NEVER was ready for a single war ... BUT I managed to win almost all of these wars! !!!

          Yes, but what price did you have to pay for it?
      6. +2
        28 December 2019 15: 18
        The war you are talking about has been waged against us since the time of Ivan 4. I do not understand what you mean by readiness for such a war. Yes, the truth about events is often difficult to sell through lies piled up by the enemy. But it cannot be otherwise. This is the dialectic of human development. And the fact that most of the space under the control of Western media is also natural. But only not 99%. But only the territory of the USA and the EU. You will notice that Russia in itself is already 10% of land. And also SEA, and much more, where there are media. And RT has a serious segment of popularity in foreign countries ... You should not bury your country ahead of time, even if it is difficult.
      7. +2
        29 December 2019 00: 16
        A trifle, I agree, but you need to start small. A drop is sharpening a stone. Work is underway, and information 100% now can not be concealed well. He who seeks will find it. A fool, and it is not necessary.
  3. +8
    28 December 2019 14: 01
    Poland returns status to cities affected by "Russian tsarist repressions"

    So what about the "haberdasher"? He is all such a victim, exhausted and asks to give him for ... suffering, it seems?
    Or is he all such a "partner" bouncing around the cardinal ???
    It seems like jumping, it's contagious! Do all those who start to rub around the cardinal have the same disease manifests itself, biting?
    1. +10
      28 December 2019 14: 12
      Vitya soldier
      Quote: rocket757
      the same disease manifests itself, biting?

      For some reason, fleas were immediately remembered ... wink
      1. +4
        28 December 2019 14: 30
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        For some reason, fleas were immediately remembered ...

        OUR people are WONDERFUL!
        Those. notices everything and gives exact characteristics \ names !!!
        It seems that the panov with their Wishlist and ambition rode to the point that they resembled a louse in a frying pan when a fire was lit under it!
        That's right, big ... cardinal, he is there, behind a curse, and they irritate their neighbors \ anger, no longer childish !!! You’ll drop in, there’s why. There are enough people who want to start a fire under their frying pan and it becomes MORE!
        1. +9
          28 December 2019 14: 32
          Quote: rocket757
          There are enough people who want to start a fire under their frying pan and it becomes MORE!

          I, with a flamethrower, have already taken the turn, if that ... feel
          1. +1
            28 December 2019 14: 50
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            I, with a flamethrower, have already taken the turn, if that ...

            I think there is without us there, fry them sirloin!
          2. +3
            28 December 2019 15: 11
            Pasha, prYuvet! No need for flamethrowers, there will be enough swamps. Oh yes, you have almost drained them .... Well, nothing, I went here recently, our swamps are in place. so if anything, send them to ... me. I will lead them to the "Muscovy". wink
    2. +4
      28 December 2019 14: 12
      Quote: rocket757
      All he is so injured, exhausted and asks to give him ... suffering, it seems?

      hi Victor
      This is precisely the prelude to the next action of the "Polish hyena" - invoicing for the trampling by imperial Russia of such a tender and vulnerable "national Polish feeling". Well, a hyena is a hyena and there is only one conversation with her - "Shoo, you nasty!" bully
      1. +1
        28 December 2019 14: 35
        Hi lion soldier
        Quote: Lelek
        Well, a hyena is a hyena and there is only one conversation with her - "Shoot, you nasty!"

        More recently, this mongrel tried to open its mouth and growl something! It seems that it has come to light that their "roar" is not perceived by others except as a jackal ... or who exactly explained ???
        That's interesting, and who was so convincing?
        1. +3
          28 December 2019 19: 32
          Quote: rocket757
          That's interesting, and who was so convincing?


          For the first time - Sir Churchill, and the second time - our "sly-wise". bully
          1. +4
            28 December 2019 19: 38
            Quote: Lelek
            For the first time - Sir Churchill, and the second time - our "sly-wise".

            The bitten stallion who bit the bite understands only the whip!
            The "bitten bit" bitter understands ... but he no longer understands anything.
            he was taught so many times, until the very loss of EVERYTHING !!! no lesson suits him for the future.
      2. 0
        29 December 2019 00: 17
        The problem is that a flock of hyenas and lions is torn on rags.
    3. +5
      28 December 2019 14: 13
      Hatred destroys and humiliates, in perspective. Let me remember the notorious phrase: "If God wants to punish, then he deprives the mind." This is a diagnosis not only for Poland, but also for some former Soviet republics and the Warsaw Pact countries. They became "mongrels" of the West and slept through the fact that Russia is not what it used to be after the collapse of the USSR. And common sense says that you need to build relationships, but the habit of "barking" remains.
      1. -2
        28 December 2019 14: 42
        Eugene soldier
        Quote: BerBer
        Hatred destroys and humiliates in perspective.

        Hatred is not a creative feeling, as a rule it is finite ... i.e. it all ends BAD!
        Politicians, with rare exceptions, use human vices, feelings, for their own purposes, and when they do not coincide with the goals used! It's like a business, nothing personal ... but used, often, remains in the cold, if it survives at all!
    4. +1
      28 December 2019 14: 17
      If the pan is a boob, then the serf is even more so.
      1. +1
        28 December 2019 14: 45
        Quote: demo
        If the pan is a boob, then the serf is even more so.

        Everything is clear with the serf, he is what his pan wants to see!
        But there, most of them want to pull the pan’s skin on themselves ... although in real life it’s just a herd, which the shepherd skillfully controls the PAN!
  4. +7
    28 December 2019 14: 05
    But really, what prevented them from assigning the city status to these settlements earlier? Were the stars wrong? laughing
    Pshechnaya trifle finally went off the reels and presents itself as clowns no worse than the Skakuas d'ebillas (straight d'Ebervilles some turned out) laughing
  5. HAM
    +5
    28 December 2019 14: 07
    And Marina Mnishek, too, lost that ... because of the fake king?
    The feverish digging in history speaks only of the great stupidity of "search engines" ... when there is nothing to cover = nonsense will do ... which
    appears yet, they will not calm down until they finally go crazy.
  6. +6
    28 December 2019 14: 07
    About the uprising of the Poles In 1863, it was already written on the ...
    https://topwar.ru/21424-polskoe-vosstanie-1863-1864-gg-chast-3.html
    I will add that the Poles were not angels with clean hands ... many innocent people died at their hands in those years ... and they got what they deserved from both Field Marshal Suvorov and Governor-General Muravyov.
    And if the Poles will behave today, they will also receive luli from our army.
  7. +6
    28 December 2019 14: 09
    What put again recognized cities?
    Well, apparently this:
    Chervinsk nad Wislon (Polish. Czerwińsk nad Wisłą) - rural gmina (volost) in Poland, is included as an administrative unit in the Płoский county, Masovian Voivodeship. Population - 7926 (for 2004).
    For the entire volost, this is with rural settlements - about eight thousand people ...
    Lututuv (Polish. Lututów) - rural gmina (volost) in Poland, included as an administrative unit in the Wieruszów County, Лódз Voivodeship. Population - 4827 people (for 2004).

    Klimontow (Polish. Klimontów) - rural gmina (parish) in Poland, included as an administrative unit in Sandomierz County, ентwiętokrzyskie Voivodeship. Population - 8704 person (for 2004).

    And even "Vicki" knows nothing about Piontec ....
  8. +2
    28 December 2019 14: 11
    "Shura, darling, please restore the status quo. Balaganov did not understand what the status quo means. But he was guided by" ... (The Golden Calf).
    I can imagine how much they will be upset in Russia if the Poles create 4 voivodships for these cities.
    1. -1
      28 December 2019 15: 40
      If the status quo is restored, then the Privislin provinces are temporarily occupied by Poland (Polish regions of Austria-Hungary and the German Empire) territories of Russia
      By the way, the population of the Privislin provinces was multinational, while Polyakov was about 75%, and Jews were the second most populous, about 15%
      Questions arise about the policies of the Provisional Polish authorities, including foreign policy and participation in military conflicts, from 1916 to 2019, which led to the formation of a practically mono-ethnic state.
  9. +7
    28 December 2019 14: 14
    How tired of these Polish clowns. If there were tsarist repressions, make claims to members of the royal family, and leave Russia in its present form alone.
  10. 0
    28 December 2019 14: 22
    What is worth accepting or even starting a discussion of a bill on the hostility of countries to consequences and restrictions? All-shut in an instant, because the purse is more expensive than its own. Well, they will begin to think what to say and do.
  11. +11
    28 December 2019 14: 24
    "Charvinsk nad Vistula, Lututów, Piontek and Klimontów ... The cities will restore their status after a century and a half. Their inhabitants have never forgotten about the harm caused by Tsarist Russia and the greatness of these cities."

    I am very unhappy with my history teacher, who said nothing about the "greatness" of these cities.))
  12. 0
    28 December 2019 14: 26
    "It is a pity that we did not hear the speech of the head of the transport department" in the person of President Duda. But they "threatened". Wow, he will "answer" now. The answering machine is broken.
  13. +6
    28 December 2019 14: 27
    interesting .. for the Poles is it "zrada" or "was there a remission?)
    1. +6
      28 December 2019 15: 02
      Quote: withoutreverse
      interesting .. the Poles have this "zrada" or "was there a peremoga?"

      Something happened, but Catherine the Great came and the "zrada" stopped for a century and a half. She was a clever ruler.
  14. -1
    28 December 2019 14: 29
    What would the "child" not be amused with .....
  15. -1
    28 December 2019 14: 36
    cities “suffered from Russian tsarist repressions” and still could not become settlements with urban status again, it looks ridiculous.

    Like they didn’t live there and didn’t build anything for a hundred years? What were you doing then? belay
    1. 0
      28 December 2019 15: 00
      Quote: K-50
      What were you doing then?

      As always, "uncle will come and uncle will build". But my uncle did not come.
  16. +2
    28 December 2019 14: 42
    only one option is to split this historically quarrelsome speech again, or at least give the Germans their historical lands if someone blunders about Koenigsberg I can say that during the seven-year war the population of Koenigsberg voted for Russian citizenship
  17. +2
    28 December 2019 14: 43
    The head (from 1804) of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the emperor’s favorite, Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryzhsky (1770–1861) proposed, having gathered all the Polish lands under Russian rule, to push the French Empire back to the Rhine and the Alps laughing In Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, the gentry received the rights of the Russian nobility. Unlike Prussia and Austria, where Germanization was unfolding, in the western provinces of Russia the “white bone” occupied a more privileged position, the Polish language remained in the education system, and the remnants of the gentry self-government remained in the administration10.

    Some of the tycoons moved through the Neman to Russian possessions. Poles were governors in the western provinces, they sat in the Russian Senate. Petersburg turned out to be one of the centers of the Polish aristocracy. The gentry sons were enrolled in the cadet corps, and the noblest in the privileged Page Corps, from where the direct road to the guard came. Polish officials and officers grew into the state apparatus of Russia. Poles - Russian subjects, as well as Ostseyts, Caucasians and foreigners in general, were attracted to the Russian army primarily by its power. (In the army of the Duchy of Warsaw in 1808-1809 many Pole officers from the Prussian and Austrian armies moved after their defeat from Napoleon, and very few from the Russian army) laughing
    1. 0
      28 December 2019 18: 38
      I do not agree about the Germanization of the Poles in Austria. In Galicia, Poles were a privileged category of population. The Austrian government (then Cisleitania) always had one or two Poles, and Potocki and Badeni held the posts of Minister-President of Cisleitania.
  18. 0
    28 December 2019 14: 58
    Cities will regain their status after a century and a half. Their inhabitants never forgot about the harm done by tsarist Russia and the greatness of these cities.
    Well, then Russia should recognize the cities of Moscow, Smolensk, Velizh and other victims of the Polish intervention "On the harm caused by Poland to these cities and residents from 1609 to 1618".
  19. +4
    28 December 2019 14: 59
    He sent several legions to fight against the Vatican. "Emperor Napoleon was a man with humor, he sent true Catholic Poles to ... fight the Vatican! And let's go, su ... and the kids, what's the funniest thing, let's go! laughing wassat wassat
    1. 0
      28 December 2019 15: 09
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Napoleon was a man with humor; he sent true Catholic Poles to ... fight the Vatican!

      Well, if we went to the Vatican, then after that "where to send" there and go.
  20. +2
    28 December 2019 15: 01
    The very statement that the cities "suffered from the Russian tsarist repression" and still could not again become settlements with urban status seems to be ridiculous.
    We have a urban settlement Karavaevo, where Kostroma cows were previously bred crying attached to the city outskirts.
    Secondly. Tell me where to apply for the recognition of Susanine swamps with an ocean with a triangle? If someone does not know, then we also have our own triangle. Ivanovo-Kostroma-Yaroslavl: 100-100-80. wink
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  22. 0
    28 December 2019 15: 19
    And what about the aggression of the Commonwealth?
  23. +5
    28 December 2019 15: 28
    Poland returns status to cities affected by "Russian tsarist repressions"
    Return the Panova statuses and nationality to the German cities of Danzig and Breslau, together with the regions of Silesia and Pomerania, acquired through the "Soviet occupation", political ideas oty, psya crooked laughing .
    1. +3
      28 December 2019 16: 22
      They come to the conclusion that it will not only have to be returned.
      1. +1
        28 December 2019 16: 32
        Warsaw as part of the Russian Empire ??? laughing
        1. +3
          28 December 2019 16: 59
          Yes, to share it with Germany and let them blather from under the shops, but this is a joke, though there is a truth in every joke ... lol
  24. +2
    28 December 2019 15: 53
    Remember the knights of the Teutonic and Livonian orders. They, too, handed out the back of the head to you from the whole dksha.
  25. -1
    28 December 2019 15: 58
    What they just can’t invent, if only to humiliate the Russians and poison hehe
  26. +1
    28 December 2019 16: 21
    If Poland thinks so, then what prevented official Warsaw from returning the status of cities to these settlements earlier, rather than waiting for decades to expire ?.


    Could have done this 100 years ago, what were they waiting for?
    1. +5
      28 December 2019 23: 16
      Quote: cniza
      If Poland thinks so, then what prevented official Warsaw from returning the status of cities to these settlements earlier, rather than waiting for decades to expire ?.


      Could have done this 100 years ago, what were they waiting for?


      Yes, everything is as simple as "fish on ice"

  27. +3
    28 December 2019 16: 41
    Poles sometimes remind me of finished imbeciles, whose place is in the fool.
  28. -1
    28 December 2019 16: 45
    I think that Psheks will eventually bring all this to reparations from Russia. There is no point in arguing.
  29. 0
    28 December 2019 16: 57
    The Poles seem to especially hate everyone, even themselves. This is an infection that has passed on to former subjects
    Phantom pains of the past, superseded by the medieval grandeur of the Porspolita Speech in acute form.
    And understanding that such will NEVER happen again.
    Hence the envy in Russia.
  30. +3
    28 December 2019 17: 36
    Poles went to Russia more than once and robbed, destroyed the violence, drove them into slavery, and how Russia opened the archives so Poland remembered when she was an innocent girl, and when
    her all and sundry danced against Russia is this normal?
    Poland is not a nation, but an artificial underdeveloped intellect of a primitive man with an affected brain gyrus that never became sinuous!
  31. +2
    28 December 2019 18: 11
    The pans' abomination is all puffing and puffing. Recall the Russian ambassador and close the border!
  32. +1
    28 December 2019 18: 26
    Psheki is a non-donation, it was not necessary to save them from destruction
  33. 0
    28 December 2019 18: 56
    Alexander I dreamed of making Poland a testing ground for constitutional reform in Russia. He created a separate Kingdom of Poland on Polish lands and granted him a constitution. Thus, the all-Russian autocrat was a limited monarch in Poland. In Russian Poland (in contrast to Prussian and Austrian) there was an elected diet, its own administration, finances and army. This went on from 1815 to 1830. : Let the Poles govern themselves, and they will destroy themselves. Otto von Bismarck. laughing
  34. 0
    28 December 2019 19: 08
    Among the historical sources devoted to the theme of the Polish uprising of 1863-64. extremely interesting document - a fragment of the book of the German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck "Thoughts and Memories" (vol. 1, ch. 15) - "The Alvensleben Convention". In the work of Oleg Airapetov, previously published on the website "Western Rus", "The situation in the Kingdom of Poland and the Polish uprising of 1863-1864." a quote from Bismarck's memoirs is quoted: “Among those who strove for fraternization, the Russians were more honest; the Polish nobility and clergy hardly believed in the success of these endeavors or took it into account as a definite goal. It is unlikely that even a single Pole saw in the policy of fraternization something more than a tactical move aimed at deceiving gullible Russians as long as it might seem necessary or useful. ”We Germans, in his opinion, could have managed to Germanize (?) Polish regions, we have the means, for the German people are more cultured than the Polish. The Russian person, however, does not feel the superiority one needs to dominate the Poles; one should confine oneself to the minimum of the Polish population, which the geographical position allows, that is, the border along the Vistula and Warsaw, as a bridgehead. -Otto von Bismarck.
  35. 0
    28 December 2019 19: 18
    Poland objects to the imperial ambitions of the Commonwealth.
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    28 December 2019 19: 42
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  37. 0
    28 December 2019 19: 46
    The very statement that the cities "suffered from the Russian tsarist repression" and still could not again become settlements with urban status seems to be ridiculous.

    Well, why ... If in the newly-made cities they live mainly homosexuals, it is not surprising that they have been trying for so long to breed from the status of villages into cities. lol
  38. 0
    28 December 2019 20: 07
    Why only Napoleon? And the Polish invasion of the 17th century and the support of all False Dmitriyevs, when they destroyed almost the entire population of Moscow, robbed all the cities and reached right up to Kostroma, took Smolensk by storm, destroying the majority of the population. Besieged Pskov and destroyed everything around. They took the Great Luke by storm, where there was almost no population left. The Ukrainian Cossacks of the hetman Sagaidachny participated in the looting and destruction of the southern cities of Russia. And during the Polish invasion of 1919, how many Russians were destroyed in Polish camps?
  39. +3
    28 December 2019 22: 29
    Putin correctly spoke about the role of the Polish leadership on cooperation with Hitler. And how this truth excited Poland. They do not like it when they are told such a truth.
    1. 0
      29 December 2019 05: 44
      But I don’t like it because in Soviet times they didn’t tell the truth to the Pshekam, and three tankmen and a dog defeated all the Nazis, and now Putin took off his pink glasses and how the pans got excited, they studied from Soviet textbooks and there wasn’t a word about it.
  40. +5
    28 December 2019 23: 13
    Cities will regain their status after a century and a half. Their inhabitants never forgot about the harm done by tsarist Russia and the greatness of these cities. It is noted that Charvinsk is a “special city for Poland”

    Yes, what do we need !? request You, even if you call the whole of Poland "The greatest hail under the Sun", this does not affect the strength of the Russian strike No.
  41. +5
    28 December 2019 23: 31
    Quote: sabakina
    Tell me where to apply for the recognition of Susanine swamps with an ocean with a triangle? If someone does not know, then we also have our own triangle. Ivanovo-Kostroma-Yaroslavl: 100-100-80

    Vyacheslav hi You cannot compare any triangles or oceans with such Russian beauty ...

  42. 0
    29 December 2019 04: 29
    We have a surprisingly toothless and miserable foreign policy. Instead of advancing, and there are more than enough reasons, we only do what we break. It is necessary to persecute Lavrov, who does not know history and therefore does not know how to object, and Putin, who himself spoils the great past of our country. What, then, to speak of psheks?
  43. 0
    29 December 2019 05: 39
    So Russia needs to take a fine for the looting by the pshek of Moscow in 1612.
  44. 0
    29 December 2019 12: 49
    While the politics of Poland will be led by arrogant nonsense, the tradition will be alive with large incomprehensions to divide its territory. This and Germany will confirm.
  45. 0
    29 December 2019 17: 50
    D ... s, fucking ...
  46. 0
    29 December 2019 22: 10
    Poland raves about the former power of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. In medicine, this is called phantom pain, when the leg was already amputated, and the pain remained. trusting in distant allies. In 17, Poland and Britain were allies of Poland, all help was limited to the bombing of Germany ... with leaflets, in the amount of either 1939, or 12 tons. And the fighting against them began in 16 - Ardennes breakthrough, for which was Dunkirk and the surrender of France ... But the Poles have a short memory ...