Swiss Allseas hurried up: the US announced a 30-day "period of termination" of work on SP-2

In the US, clarifications have been voiced regarding the conditions under which sanctions will be imposed on companies involved in the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. Recall that US President Donald Trump signed the US military budget on December 21, and it was in this document that the SP-2 impact measures in Europe were prescribed. Experts note that the introduction of these measures directly into the military budget was carried out in order to ensure that the US president "was not able to reject the adoption of sanctions."

Immediately after the news of Trump's signing of the military budget and the receipt by the leadership of the Swiss company Allseas of a letter with outright threats from two US senators, this company decided to immediately withdraw its pipe-laying vessels from the gas pipeline "until clarification from the United States about sanctions." These explanations were received from the State Department, and if you believe them, it turns out that the Swiss company was a little hurried.

US Department of State:

Companies associated with the construction (Nord Stream-2) must complete the work within 30 days. The deadline is January 20. The Secretary of State will present a list of European companies that ignore this rule.

Thus, even with threats from Washington, the Swiss Allseas could carry out its activities for another month. Considering that about 125 km of pipes remain to be laid along the bottom of the Baltic Sea and at a speed of about 5 km per day, these works could have been completed by January 20.

The Swiss Allseas does not comment on the issue of whether its vessels can return to work in the near future - before the “control cut-off” defined by the Americans.

Comments

[Gray brother]

Damn, in spite of everything, it’s funny to watch Swiss swarms rushing about.

[Mityay65]

Quote: Gray Brother

swirling swiss omnibuses.

Why do you call them "Swiss"?

[Alex Fox]

Did you mean the State Department?

[210ox]

What are they "omissions" for? Sly-yes. They've got money and will have it all over the world ..

[Eugene-Eugene]

They will continue to work. Their ships rub near: Pioneering Spirit - in the Norwegian Kristiansand, Fortitude from Kalundborg rushes there at all times (the western coast of Denmark, carries out a welding test, you can not do without it), Solitaire hangs out at Funen. See: https://www.marinetraffic.com/. They were waiting for this decision, because otherwise it would have been dumped long ago in the Gulf of Mexico, where they ordered a lot of work.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

They were waiting for this decision,

Yes, they were expecting any decision, darting at a record speed under the shonar.

[rocket757]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

They were waiting for this decision, because otherwise it would have been dumped long ago in the Gulf of Mexico, where they ordered a lot of work

Who knows what and who threatened Allseas! Yankees do not "play" according to the rules, or rather they have only their own rules.
And to hide from the wrath of Uncle Sam, no one can / does not want.
That is, everything is very adult!
And yes, most of the work at Allseas is in the zone of direct influence of minke whales, with their firms!
All for an adult! It’s very interesting how it will end.

[NKT]

Moreover, Allseas is owned by three US citizens.

[mikh-korsakov]

The leaders of the company are three brothers - they are Dutch by nationality, but currently they are US citizens and live there. Dad of these three brothers during the occupation of Holland was an employee of the Gestapo. Because of this, it’s even strange for me that they didn’t stop working even earlier, when Congress had just begun to consider the notorious law, but business interests prevailed. Apparently, they did not want to pay a penalty and hoped for a Dutch chance. In addition, under the terms of the contract, the company has the obligation to provide technical support for the operation of SP-2 during its operation.

[Alex Fox]

You just did not see the contract .... there is 1000% bankruptcy of the company or from the State Department or in violation of the contract ....

[Sergey39]

Gazprom is in talks to buy the company.

[certero]

I would like to know if there is a reference in the contract to force majeure in case of sanction?

[Gray brother]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

. Because of this, it’s even strange for me that they didn’t stop working even earlier

well, they might not have been taken at all then.

[Alekseev]

Quote: rocket757

And yes, most of the work at Allseas is in the zone of direct influence of minke whales, with their firms!
All for an adult! It’s very interesting how it will end.

That's right!
Is it possible to lay the rest of the pipe without Allseas or other Western companies, i.e. without the use of powerful specialized vessels?
And how without them, they often laid earlier in the Caspian Sea, in the North Sea, etc.? By towing followed by immersion of pre-welded sections of the pipeline up to 3 km or more in length. Yes, here the weather is needed not stormy, the process itself is longer, but complex pipelayers are not required, there is no need to drive Academician Chersky from the other end of the world.
Here the position of Europe is more important. After all, we cannot, even having built a pipeline, drive gas there by force. And if the geyropeytsy completely cave in under the United States against their own benefits, then why announce sanctions against the construction: it’s enough just not to order the gas transported through SP-2, otherwise they’ll arrest the assets, etc.
So there are no technical problems in this matter, only politics.

[Tuk77]

Nonsense.
Any vessel operating in the coastal waters of a foreign state in an environmentally unsafe project requires special permission from that state to carry out such work.
Such permission cannot be issued to the Russian Fortune, although it’s hanging around there, because it doesn’t have a dynamic positioning system.
Such permission may not be issued to Chersky, finding fault with any technical trifle.
And there’s nothing to talk about some antediluvian towing.

[NKT]

Denmark has already commented that permission was given to lay the pipe, and not to any particular ship. The only thing is that the vessel should have dynamic positioning, but this is also discussed. So they stated.

[rocket757]

Quote: Alekseev

So there are no technical problems in this matter, only politics

Everything is mixed there, it is NOW inseparable.
And nobody will allow to pull a pipe. There, ecologists overlaid everything and everything in full. Only permitted pipe laying method.

[major147]

Quote: Alekseev

it’s quite simple not to order the purchase of gas transported through SP-2, otherwise we’ll arrest the assets, etc.

By the way, the EUGAL gas pipeline will be ready for the New Year.

The commissioning of the first phase of the EUGAL gas pipeline, the continuation of Nord Stream 2, is still scheduled for January 1, 2020. According to a statement by the operator company Gascade, the final technical tests of the pipeline are completed.

That will allow loading the SP-1 at full capacity bypassing the temporary ban on the full load of Opal, because they go in parallel.

EUGAL (European Gas Pipeline Link), in fact, is OPAL-2. The route of the new gas pipeline will run parallel to the OPAL route, which is a continuation of the Nord Stream pipeline - from Greifswald on the Baltic Sea to Deutschendorf on the Czech border. EUGAL capacity will be 48 billion cubic meters per year.

[NKT]

Only the first thread is ready, the second by the end of 2020

[Avior]

Yes, I became in Norway
This is from Denmark exactly the other way from SP2
As soon as it goes back to SP2 it will be seen

[Olgovich]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

They will continue to work.

Vague doubts torment me ...

This, incidentally, is not the first sanction in the world. AND ALWAYS are given a minimum of 30-60 days for termination of work. Those. it was safe to work.

But the Swiss threw it as if they had thrown it over with boiling water ....

we'll see...

[Tuk77]

Will continue?
So I want to hope, yes?
Vain hopes.
The US seems to be extremely determined. In the current situation, the SP-2 will not be completed. There is no such possibility. We connect the "Academician Chersky" - technical features will immediately surface, because of which he will not be given permission to carry out the work.
As for foreigners - no one else gets involved in the project, reputation is more expensive than money.
Do not be fooled. The project is not only frozen, it is stopped in fact.
There is only one chance to complete it. And this is not money, the United States has enough dollars.
These are geopolitical concessions.
This may be the surrender of Donbass, Venezuela, Syria, etc.
So let's see. There is nothing else left.

[ccsr]

Quote: Tuk77

The project is not only frozen, it is stopped in fact.
There is only one chance to complete it. And this is not money, the United States has enough dollars.
These are geopolitical concessions.

Yes, stop bending - you really want it so that the SP-2 is not completed, but in fact it will be put into operation, but only with a certain delay, and you will have to put up with it. And the Germans' interest in our gas is so obvious that they themselves will wriggle in order to complete this pipeline by any means. So your forecast is a typical propaganda blank, which has nothing to do with the real situation.

[Tuk77]

"It will be commissioned."
I bothered to explain how?
How so?
Specifically?
Who will finish it?
After all, the topic is chewed-chewed, I do not want to repeat myself.
1. No Western self-respecting company will enter the project, will not get under sanctions. All transactions of such companies go through American banks. No one will commit suicide.
2. Russia itself is not able to complete the project, it does not have such technical capabilities. Chersky is not that they simply will not be allowed to work, he himself will be subject to sanctions. There will be no work permit.
3. Attracting Asian potential partners who are not afraid of sanctions is imprudent. In the future, problems may arise with certification of the gas pipeline and with insurance companies. And it’s not a fact that someone will agree and generally can complete it technically. Again, a work permit will be required, and the States will follow up on that.
What is left? Hope for the Martians? Lunatic
Admittedly, the United States played its game flawlessly. They gave to invest in full, and pulled the stop crane only at the finish.
It is time to stop harboring illusions and admit: we have been classically twisted our arms.
What will happen to the Stream? No one knows.
In the current situation, he was stopped with no chance of continuing.
The possibility of resuscitating it is only one, as I said, geopolitical concessions.
And they should be very significant. Only under these conditions, the United States may be allowed to complete the construction.

[ccsr]

Quote: Tuk77

"It will be commissioned."
I bothered to explain how?
How so?
Specifically?
Who will finish it?
After all, the topic is chewed-chewed, I do not want to repeat myself.

Do you even have the idea that such work takes time to carry out calculations and coordinate actions with dozens of organizations? So do not worry too much - now experts are doing this, and will do everything to complete the SP-2020 in 2.
In the meantime, so that you do not suffer much on New Year's Eve, examine how really the situation with our gas is with those who squealed most about the occupation:

The last cargo of Russian LNG was sent to Lithuania this year. Over the 10 months of operation of the Vysotsk plant, Novatek delivered almost half of the LNG produced there, over 250 million cubic meters, to the terminal in Klaipeda. In this way, Lithuania has become the largest customer of the Russian Cryogaz Vysotsk. The supply of medium tonnage cargo helped the Lithuanian terminal reach its record load, which would lead to lower gas prices for residents of the country, the operator said.
The Coral Favia LNG tanker is leaving from the port of Vysotsk, where the Kriogaz Vysotsk medium-tonnage gas liquefaction plant is located, to Klaipeda. According to Marinetraffic, the ship should arrive at the terminal on the night of Friday to Saturday. The current flight will be the fifth Russian LNG delivery to Lithuania in December. The operator of the terminal Klaipedos nafta reported that exactly so many medium-tonnage gas carriers should arrive. The five calls of the LNG tankers Coral Favia and Coral Fungia from Vysotsk to Klaipeda are also indicated by the data of the navigation portal Vesselfinder.

Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2019/12/27/novatek-otpravil-v-litvu-posledniy-gruz-spg-v-etom-godu?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&dbr=1

[Tuk77]

Interested in Lithuania?
But for some reason Russia is me. And her problems.
And they are discussed on this thread, I dare to recall. It is not necessary to take the conversation aside, it is a flood.
Specifically on your comment.
Do specialists do this? And How? Successfully? Have you personally spoken to them?
And why only now have specialists taken care of something? When did a roasted cock peck in one place?
Previously, there was no time to calculate the situation? Estimate all the possible options? Including sanctions? Sanctions were not included in the algorithm of our ingenious strategic multi-pathway? Is it a complete surprise for us? It seems like ...
You can, of course, calm yourself down with spells like "a magician in a blue helicopter will suddenly fly in and everything will work out." What's the point?

[ccsr]

Quote: Tuk77

Interested in Lithuania?

No, I am interested in the volumes of supplies of our LNG to Europe, since they built terminals there to meet the requirements of the Americans, and our LNG is cheaper than American.

Quote: Tuk77

But for some reason Russia is me. And her problems.

And I'm interested in - what did you want to prove to me by this?

Quote: Tuk77

Do specialists do this? And How? Successfully? Have you personally spoken to them?

I thought it was you who were talking to them, since you are so confidently declaring that they all broke.

Quote: Tuk77

Previously, there was no time to calculate the situation? Estimate all the possible options? Including sanctions?

And who told you that this probability was not calculated in advance - did you again talk to Gazprom experts?

Quote: Tuk77

You can, of course, calm yourself down with spells like "a magician in a blue helicopter will suddenly fly in and everything will work out." What's the point?

What's the point in your stupid panic - "expired polymers"?
I knew many different projects on which deadlines were broken despite the decision of the Central Committee and the Council of Ministers in Soviet times, so I won’t be hysteria about the half-year delay of such a large-scale project. Yes, and I do not advise you - however, you are a full-time propagandist, and this is very noticeable.

[Tuk77]

This is not a panic, sir.
This, alas, is a statement of fact.
I can, once again, stick your head in the sand and wait for a miracle. Which Santa Claus in NG will put under the Christmas tree. I stopped believing in Santa Clauses in early childhood.
And therefore, I can only repeat: there are no options in the current situation to finish the construction of SP-2.
You do not.
No one.
And nothing.
Not six months, not a year later. Never in this situation.
Not for that the States imposed sanctions at the finish line to work back.
You just need to admit this fact. And act on the basis of it.
In other words, to sacrifice something in geopolitics.
All spells about the fact that the question is about to be resolved and some mythical ships will continue laying - naivety.
Work permit was issued to Allseas BEFORE the imposition of sanctions and for specific equipment and technologies.
Who today will give such permission AFTER the imposition of sanctions? What three times the prestigious company?

[ccsr]

Quote: Tuk77

This, alas, is a statement of fact.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Quote: Tuk77

Who today will give such permission AFTER the imposition of sanctions?

I think that they have already given, and you will know about it soon. True, I did not communicate with Gazprom - I have enough of my experience.

Quote: Tuk77

Not six months, not a year later. Never in this situation.

Will you eat a hat, if the opposite happens? Do not forget to post the video here.

[Kazbek]

This is a Ukrainian battle troll! Here he is in the next branch on the same topic crap under the nickname Marcus Aurelius_2. Do not argue with him, he earns bucks on this!

[ccsr]

Quote: Kazbek

Do not argue with him, he earns bucks on this!

I thought so - thanks for confirming my guesses.

[Kazbek]

Marcus Aurelius_2, log in!

[major147]

Quote: Tuk77

Vain hopes.

So the situation is seen from the "square"!

[Tuk77]

So the situation is seen by an adequate person.
Based on the prevailing conditions.
Do you have a different point of view? Share it. Comments on the news for that and invented.
Tell us who, how and when will complete the SP-2.
And we will listen.
Not in the "Square", but in Russia. This concerns her in the first place.

[major147]

Quote: Tuk77

Tell us who, how and when will complete the SP-2.

Since I am not a prophet and clairvoyant and an employee of Gazprom, I cannot answer your question with 100% accuracy, otherwise a statement like this

there are no options in the current situation to complete the construction of SP-2.

will look ridiculous to say the least. But any adequate person understands that the SP-2 will be completed, and if someone does not see the capabilities of Russia due to their incompetence, then they have problems. It's like screaming about the impossibility of building the Crimean bridge. Here is the fact, as the saying goes, "on the face" of the "ukroproporokov"!

Not in the "square"

The embroidery sticks out!

[vitvit123]

Judging by Gazprom quotes, he has no problems! And the people who invest in Gazprom shares are not fools at all. Therefore, there is reason to believe that you are wrong.

[Kazbek]

People like you were shot first in the war! For the alarmist! It would be nice to return this norm to VO!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

They will continue to work.

The main thing for Gazprom is for Allseas to reach the gas pipeline to the German terrorist agency. And the Germans have already given the go-ahead for the completion, regardless of who connects the sea section of the SP-2 with the land one.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

They will continue to work.

No, they won’t continue. They were warned by the letter a week before the signing of the sanctions - the complete confiscation of property in the United States (and they have headquarters in Houston), and the ban on 50 years of entry into the United States to company employees. Therefore, they stopped work precisely at the time of the signing of the Trump sanctions law.

[Lelek]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

They will continue to work.

Rather, they can continue to work if the "point" does not finally prevail over reason.

And they can finally "sdrisnut" in fear of losing contracts, besides the blood of an ancestor ...:

And hope for TUS "Academician Chersky" only after about 2 months.

True, there is now talk of buying Russia (read Gazprom) this Swiss company in the bud, but this (IMHO) is just a project.

[Gray brother]

Quote: 210ox

Why are they "omitted"

Yes, the whole EU is a herd of lowered ones, the only thing is that some of them are trying to get out from under the bunks, someone is trying to get deeper under them, but someone doesn’t care.

[den3080]

Quote: 210ox

What are they "omissions" for? Sly-yes. They've got money and will have it all over the world ..

it was their Americans who raped denyuzhku for SP-2 and will have further around the world since they so easily “got involved”, practically “fu fu”.

[novobranets]

Quote: den3080

they so easily “fucked”

Exactly. They, in fact, having no specifics, quit their job and disappeared so quickly that contrails remained behind them - my feet, take my ... ooo. As it turned out now, it was still possible to work and work. I don't think that this case will have a positive impact on their reputation. Who needs a partner who can be frightened by pointing to the "goat".

[Piramidon]

Quote: 210ox

They raped a denyuzhku and will have it all over the world ..

Do you think that they will be paid for breaking the contract and quitting their job? Did the French get a lot for the Mistral?

[PalBor]

Interestingly, the agreement between Gazprom and Allseas provides for sanctions and fines for stopping work before they are completed? Most likely no. The top management of the "heritage of Russia" is afraid for their cozy chalets in the Swiss Alps. Suddenly, an avalanche ...

[Pied Piper]

Quote: Gray Brother

Damn, in spite of everything, it’s funny to watch Swiss swarms rushing about.

Everyone is rushing about under the "whip" of the United States .. Russia will not kneel ..
Insisted already in the 90s

[Alex Fox]

It doesn’t rise from them .... it’s from those 90s that the only one who can do bad things with STEPS is quick-eyed from the Middle Kingdom .... Russia does not allow the economy ....

[Pied Piper]

Quote: Alex Fox

It doesn’t rise from them .... it’s from those 90s that the only one who can do bad things with STEPS is quick-eyed from the Middle Kingdom .... Russia does not allow the economy ....

It was Russia that started all this fuss ... And the Chinese are behind us

[Marcus Aurelius_2]

And you are funny! Swiss Reinsured! But it’s funny for you, having no technical capabilities to continue your work! Bravo! Laugh on!

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Gray Brother

Damn, in spite of everything, it’s funny to watch Swiss swarms rushing about.

How really tired of these bravura speech about everything is good with us and everything is bad with them. Moreover, under any circumstances, everything is fine with us. Which on fix

swiss omission

?
Do you know in advance what financial consequences will be for them? What are the omissions? And then who is Gazprom? And then Gazprom is even worse, dreams come true at its managers, and lowers the rest of its country. The video is not very long, but very entertaining
And yet, what you need to know about the "national heritage" (source Lenta.Ru.):
In Petersburg in the spring they plan to begin construction of a hotel complex with a yacht club for Gazprom in Strelna. The cost of construction may be about 27 billion rubles. The project, according to ABN, is under discussion.
Credo Management Company LLC may become a construction contractor. This company was engaged in the restoration of the Senate and the Synod. The complex is planned to be built near the Konstantinovsky Palace, according to Fontanka.
In 2014, Gazprom announced that a new complex would appear on the territory of the new complex. Hotel, spa, yacht club and ice arena. Previously, the Strelna yacht club was located there, but in 2015 it was closed.
Note that this is not the first yacht club of Gazprom. Not far from the Lakhta Center, the Hercules project is under construction. There will be a sailing center of international standard with a boutique hotel with 70 rooms.

PS As I understand it, then it is on these yachts that they will install the necessary equipment to complete the laying of the gas pipeline. And with all this, Gazprom did not bother to acquire the necessary pipe-laying vessel. For reference, the pipe layers, which are now available in the Russian Federation, are Chinese-built, an economical option for power and equipment.
The sanctions lasted for the fifth year, but still built yachts and yacht clubs. Congratulations gentlemen! And I join the general glee, about the Swiss omission! Urya-I-I-I !!!!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Gray Brother

Damn, in spite of everything, it’s funny to watch Swiss swarms rushing about.

Those who paid 3 billion to Bandera seem to be really low-key. And citizens of Russia will compensate for this act of omission. And the Swiss, I am sure of this, will not even pay a penny for refusing to continue work at SP-2. thanks to which we pay Bandera 3 billion.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Gray Brother

it’s fun to watch the swiss omnibuses rushing about.

Why are they rushing around? Gazprom needs to rushing around

[rotmistr60]

Swiss Allseas hurried

The fact that they died is understandable. But there is one more nuance - this company must conclude a large contract with the Americans for drilling operations (in addition to laying pipes, they are also engaged in drilling offshore wells) in the Gulf of Mexico. Therefore, they were afraid that they might be pushed away from this contract. But the fact that ahead of time turned off the work of this company does not paint.

[orionvitt]

Quote: rotmistr60

This company does not paint.

This is not something that does not paint the company, in my opinion, this is a direct loss of reputation. How can you conclude a multi-billion dollar contract with a company that, at the first threat of an "uncle from overseas," completely forgets its obligations. Hopefully the damage will be repaired. Although there is little hope, since if there are any trials, then in Western courts. And their "impartiality" towards Russia is well known to all of us.

[bar]

it's a direct loss of reputation

Apparently, they have already counted. Well, they will lose their reputation with Gazprom, but they have gained before the striped. There they have a permanent job, and not a one-time job like with Gazprom. Or maybe the stripes also promised to throw nishtyakov.

[orionvitt]

Quote: bar

Or maybe the stripes also promised to throw nishtyakov.

"Nishtyaks" from the Americans usually go sideways.

[bar]

But, nevertheless, it is not accepted to refuse the striped proposals in the world. Apparently, in addition to gingerbread with nishtyak, a whip can also fly.

[Tuk77]

Losing a reputation for any Western large company is to allow the opportunity to fly under American sanctions. This is really a loss of reputation. Complete, final and irrevocable.
For no firm will deal with a sanctioned company anymore.

[novobranets]

Quote: Tuk77

no firm will deal with a sanctioned company anymore.

Sanctions will end sooner or later, and reputation will remain.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: novobranets

Sanctions will end sooner or later, and reputation will remain.

Sanctions will never end. Either after the return of the Crimea and Donbass

[Avior]

They are reinsured.
Today, the Americans say one thing, and tomorrow in the Congress some sort of new vote, how to consider, this is quite real

[den3080]

Quote: rotmistr60

Swiss Allseas hurried

The fact that they died is understandable. But there is one more nuance - this company must conclude a large contract with the Americans for drilling operations (in addition to laying pipes, they are also engaged in drilling offshore wells) in the Gulf of Mexico. Therefore, they were afraid that they might be pushed away from this contract. But the fact that ahead of time turned off the work of this company does not paint.

The Americans will sign a contract with them, but the conditions will be different.
Or they will simply be offered to buy their ship at the price of scrap metal.
They will say: Sell until it’s too late, otherwise we will build it ourselves.
Allseas business ended anyway.

[Tuk77]

Ничего подобного.
The company cleaned up on time.
She is not under sanctions.
You can deal with it, it is safe from a financial point of view. Her technique is in demand around the world.

[den3080]

Quote: Tuk77

Ничего подобного.
The company cleaned up on time.
She is not under sanctions.
You can deal with it, it is safe from a financial point of view. Her technique is in demand around the world.

Well, it's time to select this technique once it is in demand around the world.
This is not the case with oil. Do you have any oil? “So we're going to you.”
Rob ... sorry ... establish democracy.
Do you have a technique that is in demand around the world ?? Well, super, and why is it not with us yet?
This is about the Americans, that there would be no discrepancies.

And yet, yes, the company is not under sanctions. As it turned out, no one was sanctioned yet in connection with SP-2.
And if the technology is so unique, then who will build the American gas pipeline if allsys comes under sanctions?
Think something. Either it’s not unique or you don’t need to build or ... you can just take it away. There are no other options :))
Or ... build for the money that they offer (for a penny).
The deal is done. On the "fu fu."
Soon we will read about the merger of allsys with some Schlumberger. Remember my post :)

[Pilat2009]

Quote: den3080

Rob ... sorry ... establish democracy.

Who is stronger is right

[Tusv]

As I understand it, it will fly, gentlemen porters, not force majeure. Have to pay fines in full

[Self]

And where did you get the idea that they are there? Any companies operating in the joint venture understand that at any time they can be subject to various restrictions both from the United States, which happened, and from the EU. Therefore, if there are also large fines, then in general no one will agree to work with Russia.

[Alex Fox]

There, the contract is reinforced concrete, a 1000% bankruptcy of the company will occur ... the company that built the Mistral River no longer exists .... There will be the same result ...

[maden.usmanow]

Do you think Allseas will just pay the penalty?
There will be legal proceedings, it will drag on for 5 years, and that’s it.

[Eug]

Do these sanctions compensate for losses due to the delayed operation of the SP-2 .... but it would be necessary!

[Tusv]

Quote: Eug

Do these sanctions compensate for losses due to the delay in operating the SP-2 ..

In in. This amount is then included as a loss of profit.
And Miller paly idea. American sanctions do not apply to sales, only freight and work. Buy a pipe layer for one Swiss franc, a team to put on Our salary and SP-2 will be built on time.

[Alex Fox]

Learn the essence of the issue, there are already sanctions, and they cannot sell us high-tech equipment

[Rzzz]

Who buys such things directly under such schemes. Everything is done through offshore with nominee owners.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Tusv

Buy a pipe layer for one Swiss franc

And who will sell you?

[Tuk77]

And did it never occur to you that this force majeure was negotiated between the company and Russia at the very beginning of the project?
And the company at this stage took care of its financial security?
And it may very well be that Russia simply has nothing to present to the company today? Who saw the contract? Who read what is stipulated in it?
Or do you think Swiss representatives are fools?

[Vladimir_2U]

Isn't there anything bad for the Swiss about this in the agreement / contract? Or will "our" Gazprom officials forgive fraternally?

[lwxx]

Judging by how Miller scatters billions, yes. Russia is a generous soul.

[Vladimir_2U]

Generous Russia Miller, but not to our Russia.

[SSR]

Quote: lwxx

Judging by how Miller scatters billions, yes. Russia is a generous soul.

Let's be honest. Does the USA not throw their candy wrappers around the world or are they? Who throws "more generously"?
They only generous 5 yards on the Maidan.
No matter how I treat the "Cossacks" with their "drops in the sea", but damn it, this is life and everything happens in it. It's naive to think that everything always goes smoothly.

[Kronos]

They invest in the result and get it two different things.

[SSR]

Quote: Kronos

They invest in the result and get it two different things.

But not everything goes smoothly with them! They invested 5 yards, and thanks to their shame, we returned Crimea, where they dreamed of staking out their base.

[Kronos]

And that most of Ukraine under them is completely

[SSR]

Quote: Kronos

And that most of Ukraine under them is completely

Sorry, but these were not my plans. and them and the fact that ours eventually spoiled their plans, this is no longer a bad thing, although as I see here many "perfectionists" are still the same.

[Mityay65]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Is there anything bad about this in the contract / contract for the Swiss?

This is unlikely ... As a rule, engineering firms, especially monopolists, limit their responsibility for any political risks.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mityai65

especially being monopolists

What will the antimonopoly committee of Russia answer to this ?! ))) Could Gazprom be pushed into this monopoly?

[lopvlad]

In Swiss Allseas do not comment on the issue of

I would like to hear the comments of Gazprom about what contract he concluded with Allseas for laying the pipeline and the penalties that were imposed on him for the failure to fulfill this contract by the Swiss.

[Gardamir]

Gentlemen, helpers, why are you laughing at the Swiss? This is a Russian project and a blow to Russia.

[Volodin]

Quote: Gardamir

Gentlemen, helpers, why are you laughing at the Swiss? This is a Russian project and a blow to Russia.

To be honest, I did not notice any "winners", nor that someone was "laughing at the Swiss."
Regarding "this is a Russian project and a blow to Russia" - if we ignore the fact that this is a kind of Russian-German project, then we need to go all the way and speak even more specifically: "this is a Gazprom project and a blow to Gazprom."

[Gardamir]

You know my beliefs, but here I’m a little bit stupid. In this case, Gazprom is Russia and the Germans themselves should deal with America. At least it's silly to laugh at the Swiss when it comes to us.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Gardamir

here a little bit from I'm stupid.

Yes, you could not warn - the other was not expected. What a symbolic typo.

[Kronos]

Gazprom will pull its losses from the pockets of Russian citizens

[New Year day]

Swiss fell out. So in a hurry to fulfill the order that they forgot about the postponement! Looks like they are sitting tight on a hook and big money is at stake

[Crystal of Truth]

Probably the Swiss know better what’s what

[bar]

It turns out that there was no force majeure from sanctions preventing the completion of work, and the Swiss stopped work on their own initiative? Interestingly, but the payment of a penalty for the failure of work is provided for by the contract?

[Thrifty]

But will there be a lawsuit against a Swiss company from our side? After all, there is a failure of the contract, they have enough time for laying a pipe for their eyes! !!!

[rocket757]

30 days, this is a common practice in such matters .... but who knows what unofficial warnings / threats were heard in the ears of the owners of the company.
Stripes play for a long time not according to the rules, so there is something to guess!

[asv363]

I did not understand the main thing: will the Swiss company Allseas return to laying SP2 (for a period until January 20.01.2020, XNUMX) or not?

[bar]

Too late. They could come back and be in time if the ships stayed on point. And they have already been taken to ports. Now, while they are sailing back, then yes, until 20 they do not fit.

[asv363]

If their employees from the pipe layers were not allowed to celebrate the New Year with their families, then, I suppose, by January 2, they can return and begin construction. This would have given an extra 18 days of work, and in territorial waters or the EEZ of Germany it is possible to complete our barge. The main thing is to go around Denmark.

[bar]

In principle, anything is possible, but unlikely. About 30 days is a standard requirement, we could not immediately fuss. But they started "consultations" with the striped ones and left home. Apparently the striped ones reminded them of contracts in the Gulf of Mexico, which can be lost. Business, nothing personal. I hope at least the penalty will be paid.

[Langf]

It would be worth rushing about, plunging head over heels into a piece of cake? Hapay, bulging balls, until he was scared! That’s the whole point of the capitalist system: while you swallow sweet pieces, three already elegantly saw your throat. Competition is not speed, quality and price, but strength, arrogance and patronage.

[Aliken]

Where they return, these cowards are already hiding in the mountains of Switzerland.

[anjey]

The Swiss Allseas does not comment on the issue of whether its vessels can return to work in the near future - before the “control cut-off” defined by the Americans.

If you cave in so zealously under the Yankees, you can break your "independence spine" and pour it into your "European" panties
Although, apparently, it is really true that "European independence" is just an illusion.

[Yrec]

It seems that the mattresses decided not to go too far. For the consequences can be unpredictable and greatly harm the mattress.

[Alexander X]

Already now the Swiss have to get forfeits and fines for stopping work before the date "H" ... And so they need it ...

[bar]

I'm afraid that the usual Russian - "to understand and forgive"

[Alexander X]

Quote: bar

I'm afraid that the usual Russian - "to understand and forgive"

Well, after easily distributing billions to enemies, "to understand and forgive" will not be a surprise .. Personally, from us (forum participants), unfortunately, in this case, nothing depends ...

[maksbazhin]

I have a question: the Swiss are needed in order to meet the requirements of Denmark - "there must be a controlled vessel" How many kilometers to leave the Danish zone? After all, you can continue to operate the barge from Kaliningrad?

[bzbo]

If there is something Swiss there, it can be Victorinos’s knives in the pockets of sailors)

[Alex Fox]

Quote: Mityai65

This is unlikely ... As a rule, engineering firms, especially monopolists, limit their responsibility for any political risks.

What nonsense are you talking about everywhere ... Have you seen the contract? I, unlike you, saw him, there is a 1000% result that this company will cease to exist .... You shouted lebirachs and the same thing with the Mistrals, but in the end? as a result, the shipyard is closed, the company is closed, -15000 jobs and the payment of a huge penalty ... well, + the transferred technologies of Russia

[Aviator_]

unlike you, I saw him

Can I have a scan? Or the text under the bar?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alex Fox

as a result, the shipyard is closed, the company is closed, -15000 jobs and the payment of a huge penalty ...

Yeah, because of the two Mistrals, the state company, founded in the 17th century, closed. And what about Rogozin’s forfeit?

[Paul Siebert]

In Europe, Switzerland is called "the land of the gnomes".
It respects cheese, chocolate, watches and ... money.
And fairy tales gnomes for money are ready for anything. Programmed for greed.
That is why cunning apprentices constantly deceive stingy dwarfs. They take gold from them and become rich.
Before our eyes, the fairy tale has come true.
The Swiss gnomes again deceived themselves!
Now they need to be condemned according to the tonsils. Take away the dwarf gold.
So that it would be disgraceful to dynamite the Russians!

[viber]

The Swiss just got safe. We decided to better retake than to have problems. They no longer return.

[Alien From]

That is why the Führer so quickly captured Europe, there are all pissed off!

[Flatter]

Hitler had tens of millions of fans across Europe. Complete elimination of unemployment, 8 hours a day, weekly income of workers increased by 20 percent, social packages. It was a German economic miracle. Europe can count, therefore, it will not go against the United States.

[Gennady Fomkin]

It was originally intended to name the vessel Pieter Schelte, in honor of the father of Allseas owner Edward Heerem. However, in connection with the outbreak of the scandal over the Nazi past of Peter Shelte, his son had to abandon his plans to perpetuate the memory of his father and call the vessel a different, neutral name.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Within 60 days, the US State Department will have to draw up a list of companies that will be affected by the sanctions. They will be given 30 days to complete their participation in the project. Today, when the main work is almost completed, and financing has long been disbursed, only German and Italian company contractors can incur losses.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The Nord Stream 2 Russian gas pipeline project is political in nature. This was stated by the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen in an interview with Der Spiegel, published on Friday, December 27. "It is correct that the gas pipeline project also has a political dimension and that the European Commission, through the means at its disposal, is protecting the interests of the eastern EU member states," said Ursula von der Leyen.

[Gennady Fomkin]

These are all emotions. Work calmly and win the competition. As a rule, sooner or later, a fight without rules will hit the offender himself. We wait.

[Gennady Fomkin]

No, not competition. A little different. A gas pipeline passes from Ukraine to Russia through Europe. Until 2015, Ukraine received gas from this pipeline through the corresponding branches and paid Gazprom for it. What has changed in this scheme since 2015?

The whole genius of this scheme lies in the fact that nothing has changed purely outwardly! True, Ukrainians began to pay much more for gas and not to Gazprom. If earlier they paid less than Europeans, just for the cost of transporting gas - after all, Ukraine is closer to Russia from Russia than from Russia to Europe, right?

Yes, now, now the cost of transporting it from Russia to Europe has begun to be added to the cost of gas for Ukraine, plus the costs of the necessary operations to connect and maintain pressure, plus salaries to staff, plus transportation costs for transporting gas from Europe to Ukraine. Yes, but isn't all this purely virtual? Virtually ...

If all parties are satisfied, then what questions may be? Well, how, after all, should there be one at whose expense all this is paid? Yes, these are Ukrainians. Wait, but are Ukrainians? This is a difficult question, and opinions on this subject were divided. Some consider Ukrainians to be idiots easily amenable to zombies. Others consider Ukrainians to be Cevropeans, who have made a Cevropean choice.

However, to hell with them, with the Ukrainians - they made their choice and ... by the tablecloth the road and the drum around the neck. We are much more interested in the prospects of this gas scheme, first tested in the Ukrainians. Does she have a future? Yes, there is, and more!

Imagine this picture ... Late night, an office in the Kremlin, a voice in the telephone receiver:

- Vlad, we are ready to buy LNG from you for the same price at which you are selling it now.
- Okay, Don, agreed. You can resell it to the Germans at any extra charge, but at least double. I'm already tired of communicating with these D B, fact u ...)

[Ros 56]

It’s not the Swiss who refused, it’s huckster and cowards with Swiss passports. The real Swiss in their time of life put up protecting Pope Clement VII, for which they still guard the Vatican.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Tuk77

What will happen to the Stream? No one knows.
In the current situation, he was stopped with no chance of continuing.

Do not find a contradiction in your own words ?!
Now the Swiss will pull themselves back and in 3 weeks will lay the bulk. By the 20th, they will curl up. We can reach the rest ourselves. So briefly.

[IC]

The offshore section of Nord Stream 2 is only part of the gas corridor from Yamal to Europe. The main thing is unknown - the total cost of the entire system. One hundred and one delays in commissioning.
The same is true for the South or Turkish stream, taking into account losses of 2-two strands, taken apart on the shore and payment of demurrage by the fleet after Bulgaria left the initial project.
It is strange that all discussions of these gigantic projects take place without financial calculations.

[Liam]

Quote: IMS

The main thing is unknown - the total cost of the entire system

About 90 billion

[ccsr]

Quote: IMS

It is strange that all discussions of these gigantic projects take place without financial calculations.

This is how the experts figured everything out long ago - even at the design stage, and even in the estimate of "unforeseen expenses" they necessarily included a certain percentage of the cost of the entire project. What makes you think that we slurp cabbage soup with bast shoes, or do you so want to represent our people?

[alekc75]

let them almost bring them to the shore, there already a barge will be able

[bzbo]

In a crisis, you do not need extra cheap gas.

[bzbo]

Better to sell less but more expensive. I think Putin and Trump have agreed on how the fascists will be milked