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Zelensky on the payment of $ 2,9 billion by Gazprom: This is another change

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The President of Ukraine declared “victory” (in the Ukrainian version - “overpowering”) in connection with the obligations fulfilled by Gazprom in the framework of the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. We are talking about the transfer of funds in the amount of $ 2,9 billion by Gazprom to Ukraine.


The Ukrainian Naftogaz confirmed receipt of funds from a Russian company, adding that the bulk of the funds will be used to develop gas production in Ukraine, as well as to repay loans.

President of Ukraine Zelensky:

This is another change (victory), which is of great importance for the country.

Recall that Gazprom paid the above amount, based on Naftogaz’s obligations to refuse other financial claims and the readiness of the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine to sign a contract for gas transit to Europe.

In 2020, 65 billion cubic meters of “blue fuel” will go through Ukraine to the West, in the next 4 years - 40 billion each. However, the contract has not been officially signed yet. Not only that, there is no data on whether Kiev’s direct purchase of gas from Russia will also be included in this contract.

Today, the Ukrainian authorities continue to tell stories about "buying gas in Europe." In fact, Ukraine both bought gas from the Russian Federation and continues to buy it, but only the one that is reserved by Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. Based on this fact, the price of gas for the Ukrainian consumer is growing by about 25-30 percent. This scheme, as you know, in Kiev was called "reverse supply." Some time ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on this scheme:

Gas cannot go in one direction in half of the pipe, and in the other half in the other half.

Be that as it may, Ukraine received almost $ 3 billion from Gazprom.
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  1. Mytholog
    Mytholog 28 December 2019 06: 37
    -9
    Well, cries and groans will begin on both sides of the border)
    In reality, it’s just an unpleasant, forced maneuver, nothing more.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 28 December 2019 06: 45
      -23
      Wangyue? Or maybe about the so-called. "remog" say something?
      For several days there have been battles over the payment of almost 3 billion. Official representatives of Gazprom and the Ministry of Energy have decomposed this situation on the shelves. If Ukraine has nothing more to boast of, then let it loudly consider it a change, and time will show who really won in the end.
      1. Mytholog
        Mytholog 28 December 2019 06: 54
        +20
        I don’t wang, I just know.
        I’m used to this madhouse as a nurse.
        First, they will yell for overpower. Then - about the fact that they were few and fooled. Then - about the traitors in power.
        The funniest thing is when the same screams come "from behind the wall", but in Russian.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 28 December 2019 06: 56
          -1
          So I do not argue over the loud "dialogue". It's just that before adding the comment, it turned out with an explicit prediction.
      2. littoral
        littoral 28 December 2019 09: 58
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Official representatives of Gazprom and the Ministry of Energy have decomposed this situation on the shelves.

        And what did they "spread" there?
        1. Marcus Aurelius_2
          Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 10: 32
          +6
          Nothing was laid out! Prior to this, they claimed that the Ukrainians were wrong and would not pay, and here the broads and you! Every year, propagandists promised us that Ukraine would freeze without Russian gas!
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 28 December 2019 12: 22
            +2
            Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
            Every year, propagandists promised us that Ukraine would freeze without Russian gas!

            Listen to less propagandists - you better learn to think sensibly, and then, believe me, many naive questions will disappear by themselves.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 December 2019 11: 33
        -3
        Quote: rotmistr60
        If Ukraine has nothing more to boast about, then let it loudly consider it to be overwhelming, and time will show who ultimately has a victory.

        Let them scream and jump, they have it national. But time and life will show who has a Victory and who has a "peremoga".
        1. Marcus Aurelius_2
          Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 24
          +5
          Please tell me what Russia can boast of over 20 years, are there any achievements in the field of space, information technology, medicine? Can rovers of the Russian Federation plow the expanses of the universe? Is the living standard higher than in Finland or salaries higher than in Poland, low gas prices among consumers?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 December 2019 12: 33
            -4
            Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
            Please tell me what Russia can boast of over 20 years, are there any achievements in the field of space, information technology, medicine?

            For 20 years Russia has something to brag about, and more than others. For 20 years Russia has crawled out of the pit into which it was lowered by the liberals, led by the MSG and the EBN. This is the same breakthrough as the USSR made from 1917 to 1937 after the revolution of the liberals led by Kerinsky. And now a question for you "Kazakh". What "independent" country after the collapse of the USSR can show such achievements now, maybe Kazakhstan or Ukraine? Yes, economically, Russia cannot yet compete with China and the United States, but in the international arena Russia is at the level of China and the United States. Or can you name something else?
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 28 December 2019 14: 01
              +1
              ... And now a question for you "Kazakh". What kind of "independent" country after the collapse of the USSR can show such achievements now, maybe Kazakhstan
              And do not tell me the price of gasoline in our country and in Kazakhstan ???
            2. Marcus Aurelius_2
              Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 14: 30
              -6
              And I’ll tell you there is nothing and never will be! As for the Kazakh, that is, after 2014, there will be more and more people who understand that we are not on our way! The longer we are partners of the Russian Federation, the more we will become poor and degrade!
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 28 December 2019 14: 37
                -1
                Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                The longer we are partners of the Russian Federation, the more we will become poor and degrade!

                I don’t want to prove or explain anything to you, but you don’t prove to us either. Now each "family" has its own life and each manages as he wants. It's like an Asian bazaar "Walk through the bazaar and choose your favorite friends." But if you get poorer, this does not mean that someone will feed you, and even free of charge, but Russia certainly will not feed.
                1. Marcus Aurelius_2
                  Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 14: 42
                  -10
                  Unfortunately no! We were forcibly dragged into the Customs Union, the Russian Federation was squeezed out by Australian companies involved in uranium mining, now in the KZ mining of uranium is under your control! And the pressure is growing!
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 28 December 2019 15: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                    Now in the KZ, uranium mining is under your control!

                    Well, you shouldn’t give uranium to minke whales, you should at least think about it.
                  2. Kazbek
                    Kazbek 28 December 2019 19: 31
                    0
                    Hey, Kazakh! You are not presenting the presentation to Russia, but to your elbasy and his clique, which sold all your PIs to Americans and Anglicans in the 90s under PSA agreements! All metallurgy - to the Indians! You have nothing left of your own! Not a single deposit belongs to the Kazakhs !!! All the factories and plants turned into shopping centers: ADK, AHBK, etc. The fields are all overgrown with weeds, no one wants to do anything! And you are all new to Russia! That's already half of Kazakhstan moved to Russia and continue to go! Come on, do not drive here!
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 55
                +3
                Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                The longer we are partners of the Russian Federation, the more we will become poor and degrade!

                And what prevents you from saying goodbye to Russia? Or are you one of those who in the days of the USSR shouted the most, that you feed the RSFSR, and now you whine that they live better in Russia?
            3. The comment was deleted.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 28 December 2019 16: 16
                0
                Quote: Local from the Volga
                Yes, that you are arguing with these rams, who cannot lift their ass from their leaky sofa, go to work!

                Thank. You are very right here, but work is not their prerogative; the sofa is more reliable.
                1. Nikolai Korovin
                  Nikolai Korovin 29 December 2019 00: 58
                  0
                  You can also work on the couch. Only a blanket is not necessary. And everything will be tip-top.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 December 2019 13: 03
            -6
            Russia has the lowest cost of gas for domestic consumption, but it will not work out to gasify all too much money huge payback is zero, if every year it will be possible to allocate all of Russia from the budget for a trillion for 20 years - but who is this money every year for gasification will give.
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 28 December 2019 13: 28
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              too expensive money huge payback zero, if every year from the budget for this trillion

              Some believe that it is cheaper, but up to a certain value .... Assistant to the head of the presidential administration Kirill Molodtsov estimated the costs of increasing the level of gasification in Russia to 82% at more than RUB 1 trillion. The word "more", but let it be 2 trillion. Pavel Zavalny, President of the Russian Gas Society - the gasification level up to 83% is the maximum.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 December 2019 16: 08
                +1
                This assistant is clearly not in the topic of what is needed for the gasification of settlements, but in Russia there are 60000 of them and all at large distances from each other it needs to be built: new gas main pipelines, gas storages, distribution stations, compressor stations, control points, wiring, equipment and machinery for servicing all this infrastructure, expensive paperwork to arrange all this - one pipe will cost only a few trillion rubles.
            2. Marcus Aurelius_2
              Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 14: 45
              -4
              In America, there are only 131 million homes that people can live in, of which 114 million are permanently settled:

              Now the level of gasification:

              How Many Homes Use Natural Gas?
              According to Alliant Energy, more than 64 million American homes are heated with natural gas. This is accounts for more than half of the homes in the US, making it the most popular home-heating fuel in the country.


              64 million homes are gasified. Even if we consider only inhabited houses (although there are gas supply houses too), in America 56% of the houses are gasified.

              Now for Russia (for 2017):

              The level of gasification in Russia at the beginning of this year amounted to 67,2%, including in cities and urban-type settlements - 70,9%, in rural areas - 57,1%. This was announced by the head of Gazprom Alexei Miller at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin today, July 4, according to the Kremlin’s press service.

              That is, in Russia, gasification is higher than American, despite Siberia, permafrost, the remote North and the Far East, etc.

              Well, gas production for 2016 (billion cubic meters):
              USA - 751,063
              Russia - 642,242

              And now about how much it costs to heat your home.

              If you heat with gas, then an average of 600 bucks per season (it is in America on average about 3 months). And do not think that the climate here is pure Mediterranean. But this is not the main thing.

              44% of American homes do not have gas, and not all of them are in the south of the United States. Just southern Texas, California and Oklahoma produce a lot of gas and, of course, gasification there is on the level, and these are very populated states. So, if you do not heat with gas, then for a season heating with electricity (in a milder winter) will cost $ 900, about 300 a month, but if the winter is harsh and there is no gas, you will have to heat it with fuel oil and then $ 2000 per season and about 700 dollars a month.

              The average American pension is $ 1200 per month and there are no discounts for pensioners in most places, since capitalism.

              And 40% of American retirees still pay a mortgage and the average mortgage payment is $ 1030 per month (excluding real estate tax).
            3. Marcus Aurelius_2
              Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 14: 49
              -6
              Russia has a quarter of the world's gas reserves, but these riches do not warm us at all. Even in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, in the territory where the largest deposits are located, in particular, Urengoyskoye, Yamburgskoye, Zapolyarnoye, the level of gasification does not reach 50%, which is significantly less than the national average.

              At the same time, Iran, the second largest gas reserves on the planet, has already increased the level of gasification in rural areas to 78%, and in cities to 96%. And Turkmenistan has achieved almost 100 percent gasification at the end of the last century. Moreover, for a long time, the population of the Central Asian republic received “blue gold” for free.

              However, not even the most significant energy reserves do not prevent various states from successfully supplying them with citizens. In Uzbekistan, for example, the gasification rate is 85%, although no more than 0,8% of the world's reserves are hidden in the country's bowels. And Azerbaijan with its 0,6% achieved an indicator of 92%.

              Source: https://versia.ru/vlasti-uporno-sozdayut-mif-o-gazifikacii-rossii
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 59
                0
                Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                Russia has a quarter of the world's gas reserves, but these riches do not warm us at all.

                And you are not a citizen of Russia, so roll your lip, we ourselves will figure out what we have.
              2. Kazbek
                Kazbek 28 December 2019 19: 37
                0
                Hey kazaz! laughing Trololo! You pierced! Who is "us" ??? laughing
            4. Local from the Volga
              Local from the Volga 28 December 2019 15: 27
              0
              Absolutely true!
          3. Kazbek
            Kazbek 28 December 2019 19: 25
            -2
            Dohrena all! An interesting question - study! And in the field of space, and in the field of information technology, and in the field of medicine. And also in agriculture, shipbuilding, in the defense industry, in the extractive industries, in road construction, etc. You all learned to fart in the air, put minus signs, scream with presentations to the state, and you didn’t learn such trifles as fact checking! All of us have sidetracks over the past 20 years. Although there are problems, but they are solved in stages! To the fuss, comrades hhl!
      4. major147
        major147 28 December 2019 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: rotmistr60
        If Ukraine has nothing more to boast about, then let it loudly consider it to be too much

        Yes, and "victory" is not theirs. Let them not forget to thank their owners.
        1. Marcus Aurelius_2
          Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 24
          -7
          The money was paid in repayment of the debt of a Russian company recognized by a decision of the Stockholm arbitration. Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak called the upcoming payment “a drop in the ocean”

          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/12/2019/5e06339e9a79470d0c9382b1
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 December 2019 12: 49
            0
            Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
            The money was paid in repayment of the debt of a Russian company recognized by a decision of the Stockholm arbitration.

            Any court and any arbitration is not only Stockholm, as a stick has two ends. Even the Nuremberg tribunal condemned the war criminals of the 3rd Reich, imposed the death sentences of about 20 criminals, and about a hundred were imprisoned. But the majority of criminals (we don’t even take small party bipods as SS officers and soldiers), namely large party, industrial, financial, military and SS functionaries, were not even sentenced to probation. And now, various European courts, tribunals and arbitrations are judged not by justice, but by order of the owners.
            1. Marcus Aurelius_2
              Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 14: 28
              -8
              Do you propose the most honest and unbiased Russian court? It will be interesting to see when the Nuremberg court will judge the Tsar and his company
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 28 December 2019 14: 41
                0
                Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                Do you propose the most honest and unbiased Russian court?

                In my opinion, I wrote "any court". If you did not understand me, excuse me, I did not learn the Kazakh language.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 December 2019 14: 39
          0
          Quote: major147
          Yes, and "victory" is not theirs. Let them not forget to thank their owners.

          They do not remember the good, whoever did this good to them.
          1. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 29 December 2019 01: 02
            +1
            Why don't they remember? They wrote here that Zhukov said back in 1945: "We liberated Europe from fascism, and she will not forgive us for this." I do not know if these are the exact words of Zhukov - in "Memoirs and Reflections" this, of course, is not. But in the sense it turns out that way. They remember and cannot forgive.
    2. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 28 December 2019 09: 18
      +13
      "And we have gas in our apartment! What about you?" again subsidizing the Ukrainian economy .. again Skabeeva and Sheinin lied to us)
      1. den3080
        den3080 28 December 2019 10: 21
        +6
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        "And we have gas in our apartment! What about you?" again subsidizing the Ukrainian economy .. again Skabeeva and Sheinin lied to us)

        Not only Skabeeva, but also Mr. Solovyov with his show.
        But, by the way, they are small people, performers. What they are told to do, they do.
        1. Marcus Aurelius_2
          Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 10: 32
          -2
          Now they lie that because of Christian mercy they decided to help the Ukrainian people!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 December 2019 11: 36
            -2
            Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
            Now they lie that because of Christian mercy they decided to help the Ukrainian people!

            It's time to finish reading the "New Testament", those times ended with "Christian charity."
            1. Marcus Aurelius_2
              Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 11: 37
              -4
              Fools say something else! We are in Syria because of compassion for the Syrian people! In Libya, we help refugees and do not ask for a drop of oil and gas!
        2. Tochilka
          Tochilka 28 December 2019 14: 13
          0
          Hence the conclusion: do not look and listen to these parsley. Anyway, avoid television. Protect your brain from burns)))
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 28 December 2019 10: 58
        0
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        "And we have gas in our apartment! What about you?"

        "And we have a gas pipeline!" (Cit.) laughing .
        1. Marcus Aurelius_2
          Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 11: 38
          -13
          It did not work to use the gas pipeline as a blackmail tool! SP-2 is covered!
          1. major147
            major147 28 December 2019 12: 26
            +1
            Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
            SP-2 is covered!

            Exactly !! ??? belay
            1. Marcus Aurelius_2
              Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 27
              -8
              Didn't you know?
              1. major147
                major147 28 December 2019 12: 28
                +2
                Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                Didn't you know?

                I heard the work is suspended ....
          2. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 29 December 2019 01: 08
            -1
            No way. Happened. SP-2 was covered, although not quite, precisely because of the gas blackmail. Unfortunately, the course of the domestic pipe-laying machine located in the Far East is only 12 knots. But I think Egypt will let him pass through the Suez Canal - there the British there now seem to not steer, as in 1904. So, since he does not need to go around Africa, it will be faster than the squadron of Rozhestvensky, especially since there is no need to go to Madagascar. But, of course, the delay before starting up to six months is quite visible to itself.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2019 11: 05
        +2
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        "And we have gas in our apartment! What about you?" again subsidizing the Ukrainian economy .. again Skabeeva and Sheinin lied to us)

        Not only that, = However, the contract has not yet been officially signed. = but Gazprom 2.9 lard has already paid. fool fool fool
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 28 December 2019 12: 17
          +3
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Not only that, = However, the contract has not yet been officially signed. = but Gazprom 2.9 lard has already paid.

          Judgment - must be complied with. Not ?
          1. Marcus Aurelius_2
            Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 25
            -4
            Gazprom paid Naftogaz Ukrainy $ 2,9 billion in repayment of the debt formed in accordance with the decision of the Stockholm arbitration.

            “In order to fulfill the agreements reached in Minsk on December 20, Gazprom paid $ 2,9 billion to Naftogaz of Ukraine in accordance with the decision of the Arbitration Institute of the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce and Industry within the time period stipulated by the protocol of December 20,” the representative told RBC Gazprom.

            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/12/2019/5e06339e9a79470d0c9382b1
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 28 December 2019 12: 44
              0
              Did you give this link in confirmation of my comment? Is there a court decision? There is. Do you need to do it? It is necessary.
              Regarding the remaining mythical 2 billion (from your link):
              1. This statement of Naftogaz, the author did not bother to present the position of Gazprom
              2. These are some offsets for 2014, who should not follow the article for whom, and for what, documents are not confirmed
              3. Payment, if any, was made by gas
            2. Kazbek
              Kazbek 28 December 2019 19: 40
              -2
              Trollik, why are you divorced? Who sent you here? How much do they pay for one comment on VO in the 404th? laughing laughing laughing
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 28 December 2019 14: 06
            -2
            Judgment - must be complied with. Not ?
            So what prevents Ukraine from filing for Gazmyas, excuse Gazprom for another 100500 million, which they will win in the Stockholm court. Pay and repent.
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 28 December 2019 15: 28
              0
              Quote: 72jora72
              So what prevents Ukraine from filing for Gazmyas, excuse Gazprom for another 100500 million, which they will win in the Stockholm court. Pay and repent.

              Gazprom itself recognized the jurisdiction of the Stockholm court in the contract. If the next contract consolidates the analysis of issues in the court of Kislodrischensk, they will butt in Kislodrischensk
            2. strannik1985
              strannik1985 28 December 2019 15: 34
              -1
              So what prevents Ukraine from applying for Gazmyas

              Submit something, only if Merkel doesn’t intervene they will receive money, not money.
          3. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2019 14: 49
            -1
            Quote: Winnie76

            Judgment - must be complied with. Not ?

            It is necessary. But one could wait. No?
        2. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 29 December 2019 01: 10
          0
          I believe that in general, Kurginyan can be trusted, and he said that if Gazprom gives 3, then rest assured that he knows where he will get 5 for it. Today is 3, tomorrow is 5. Directly from the 1990 humor.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 29 December 2019 10: 30
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai Korovin
            if Gazprom gives 3, then rest assured that he knows where he will get 5. For today, 3, tomorrow 5. Directly on the 1990 humor.

            That's right - since Gazprom has reduced pumping through Naftogaz, it means that through SP-2 they plan to make more profit from the volumes that go through Ukraine through it - the profit is higher, because the cost of pumping gas by itself will be less, and this will give additional income. This is an alphabet that not all people understand because of the lack of basic Marxist-Leninist knowledge in political economy.
      4. major147
        major147 28 December 2019 12: 19
        0
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        again subsidize the Ukrainian economy ..

        It is extremely disgusting, but of the two evils I had to choose the lesser ....
      5. ccsr
        ccsr 29 December 2019 10: 25
        +1
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        Skabeeva again with Sheinin lied to us)

        And you listen to them less, and turn on your brains more often, maybe then you will understand that it is better to figure everything out yourself, so as not to behave like a small child in Children's World who sees a sea of ​​toys.
    3. Tuk77
      Tuk77 28 December 2019 10: 11
      -2
      Maneuver...
      Well, yes, in order to cajole the States before imposing sanctions.
      And how did this maneuver end?
      Zilch.
      SP-2 is stopped.
    4. Marcus Aurelius_2
      Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 10: 28
      -13
      No! This is the defeat of the Russian Federation and Gazprom! We knelt down and Putin did not help!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 December 2019 11: 39
        +3
        Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
        This is the defeat of the Russian Federation and Gazprom! We knelt down and Putin did not help!

        The defeat is if SP-2 were destroyed. And this is a temporary respite between fights.
        1. Marcus Aurelius_2
          Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 11: 45
          -8
          Well of course you're right! Russians never lose! Money is nothing! The main respite!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 December 2019 11: 47
            +1
            Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
            Russians never lose!

            But the Jews lose or not.
            1. Marcus Aurelius_2
              Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 11: 48
              -3
              Jews lose like other normal people!
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 28 December 2019 12: 05
                +4
                Monya,
                You were in Odessa not for a Jew, and not even for a Jew. Well, you and Babchenko are purebred Malanians ....
                Do not slander the people of the promised land ...
                1. Marcus Aurelius_2
                  Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 09
                  -6
                  I am Kazakh for your information! You in the Russian Federation like to put stubs unproven!
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 28 December 2019 12: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2

                    I am Kazakh for your information! You in the Russian Federation like to put stubs unproven!

                    Well, excuse me, but by your behavior we thought that you were from the "promised"
                    1. Marcus Aurelius_2
                      Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 17
                      -6
                      It's okay, no one has canceled anti-simeism in the Russian Federation!
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 28 December 2019 12: 20
                        +3
                        Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                        It's okay, no one has canceled anti-simeism in the Russian Federation!

                        Yes, he has never been in Russia, but there is more than enough Russophobia among the former "brothers and sisters."
                      2. Marcus Aurelius_2
                        Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 22
                        -5
                        I would not say that! In Russia, just about everyone is blamed, but not himself! Monya,
                        You were in Odessa not for a Jew, and not even for a Jew. Well, you and Babchenko are purebred Malanians ....
                  2. major147
                    major147 28 December 2019 12: 21
                    +5
                    Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
                    I am Kazakh

                    How I am Italian!
        2. Kazbek
          Kazbek 28 December 2019 19: 42
          -1
          Guys, drive it with crowbars from our cottage development !!! laughing
        3. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 29 December 2019 01: 14
          -1
          No need to dramatize. It will start to run out of gas, it will freeze a little, Europe will freeze ... And the mattresses with their life-giving LNG are right there. Hooray!!! And then the petty bourgeois will analyze gas bills (they love this thing), and demonstrations will begin with the demand to immediately end the bodypack with SP-2. Time works for us. We won’t freeze, I suppose?
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 28 December 2019 12: 30
        +3
        Quote: Marcus Aurelius_2
        No! This is the defeat of the Russian Federation and Gazprom! We knelt down and Putin did not help!

        Do not panic - this is just one not won "battle" in the "Great Energy War", and it does not even pull a decisive battle, such as Stalingrad. In the strategic plan, Ukraine has already lost even in money - to be able to guaranteed transit of over 90 billion cubic meters. gas, and it will slide down to 40 billion, and even then with reservations on acceptable transit costs, this can only be called a loss of the war, especially considering that part of the profits Ukrainians will have to invest in the gas pipeline itself in order to maintain it in working order. And given the vague prospects of Ukrainian transit in five years, we can safely say that Ukraine lost the gas war outright, despite the payment in court, the whole question is how long the agony of their gas transportation system will last.
    5. Looking for
      Looking for 28 December 2019 15: 31
      -2
      let the all-Russian defeat be enough to bring under an unpleasant forced maneuver.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 28 December 2019 06: 38
    +2
    Well, apparently she is. Peremoga.
    But if you count on the points ... Maybe it will turn out to be a hail!
    Personally, I do not have reliable analytics "from close sources", and I never will.
    1. Marcus Aurelius_2
      Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 11: 49
      -10
      Complete rout! Patriots can dodge as they want but facts: Kiev managed to recover more than $ 2 billion from Gazprom by decision of the Swedish Court of Appeal. In total, Naftogaz expects to receive about $ 4,6 billion from Russia in compensation for gas shortages. New payments are delaying the already difficult negotiations on gas transit between Kiev and Moscow. The current contract expires on December 31 of this year, the issue with the conclusion of a new or extension of the current has not yet been resolved.
      The head of Naftogaz Ukrainy, Andrey Kobolev, spoke about the details of debt collection from Gazprom in a lawsuit that was satisfied by the Stockholm arbitration. According to him, Kiev has already received from the Russian side almost half of the amount of compensation awarded in February 2018 by the Swedish judicial authorities.
      Kodolev said that we are talking about an amount of $ 2,1 billion. ”We reflected this part of the winnings in the financial statements and paid the corresponding taxes and dividends. Thus, this amount almost completely fell into the state budget of Ukraine, ”added the president of Naftogaz.
      In addition, the Ukrainian side emphasized that it is currently working to recover the remaining amount.
      According to Naftogaz’s calculations, Russia, taking into account interest, should pay Ukraine about another $ 3 billion
      Moreover, if Gazprom does not return the remaining amount, then Kiev intends to sell part of the assets of the Russian company after the decision of local courts.
      Moscow was forced to enter into a deal with Naftogaz after an appellate court in Svea County (Sweden) rejected Gazprom’s application for a decision by the Stockholm arbitration on a dispute with Naftogaz on gas supplies to Ukraine. Last Wednesday, November 27, the court refused to satisfy Gazprom’s complaint about the arbitration decision, which ordered it to pay $ 2,6 billion to Naftogaz
      It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/business/43286158/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
    2. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 29 December 2019 01: 19
      0
      All the same, the all-round round-global zradoperemoga. The contract seems to have not been signed yet. The love of Europeans for dill is growing by leaps and bounds. They’ll take it and don’t sign it - oh, sho bude! That Schaub I Benya Kolomoisky Nicola not bachiv!
  3. kjhg
    kjhg 28 December 2019 06: 45
    +52
    Many words have already been said about the gas confrontation and how it ended. Kozak said that Russia escaped with real pennies. But to put it mildly, this is not true. Russia lost more than $ 5 billion in real money. It was forced to extend the transit of gas in a large volume. Moreover, the cost of pumping increased several times. The hostile authorities of Kiev got everything they wanted at the moment. But that's not all.
    Knowing their love of free money, in five years you can safely expect the filing of new lawsuits against Russia and Gazprom. In general, we were actually forced to keep this Nazi misunderstanding, which is also absolutely hostile to us. This is a real shame for our authorities.
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 28 December 2019 07: 00
      -4
      The cost of gas transportation within the country is also growing, this is also a "peremoga" for someone
    2. D16
      D16 28 December 2019 07: 54
      +13
      Moreover, the cost of pumping increased several times.

      Can be more? How much was how much will be. Only with reference to the source.
    3. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 28 December 2019 08: 27
      +3
      As I understand it, the specialists from Promgaz, as it turns out, are "selling" our gas for nothing. And they are accomplices in this change. If not for the "good will" of the winners, we would have been forced to give even more. If pilots are forced to pay for a crashed plane, and a soldier is forced to pay for a tank, then why won't the Specialists take these specialists into development?
      1. Avior
        Avior 28 December 2019 11: 01
        +2
        why for nothing? with surcharge, it turns out. smile
        such a sales model - sold to someone something - pay extra!
        only highly effective managers work that way smile
        hi
    4. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 28 December 2019 09: 10
      +3
      In general, we were actually forced to keep this Nazi misunderstanding

      Good morning) As we were the main donor state of the Ukrainian economy, we remained them even in the "hottest" years - 2014 and 2015, we also remain such a donor in the future. While Sheinin on the "first" and Skabeyev on "Russia" are pouring into people's ears about the Nazi state, official Russia continues to feed these Nazis from the hand. And I'm not talking about the annual hundreds of thousands of gaster from Ukraine. As long as you consider it a shame, they see it as a bargain. Beneficial not for the people or the country, but beneficial for them personally.
      1. krops777
        krops777 28 December 2019 11: 11
        -4
        Good morning) As we were the main donor state of the Ukrainian economy, we remained them even in the "hottest" years - 2014 and 2015, we also remain such a donor in the future. While Sheinin on the "first" and Skabeyev on "Russia" are pouring into people's ears about the Nazi state, official Russia continues to feed these Nazis from the hand.



        In Ukraine, let’s you know, not only the Natsiks live, but our normal people who are held hostage by this system, we aren’t monstrous as their pro-Nazi authorities organized the blockade of the Crimea, even if we indirectly help these people, although it may be not properly.
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 28 December 2019 19: 26
          -2
          Most of these "normal ours" in 2014 also waited for "Now we will join the EU and live." Without waiting for European buns, they suddenly remembered about May 9 and about the common history. After Odessa on May 2, the normal were obliged to rears up. But most of them preferred to stay in their apartments ... I don't need to talk about normal ones. Now we are not talking about the country, but about the regime, which for 5 years has been "restraining the Kremlin's aggression", "Protecting Europe from the savage from the East", etc.
          But why pickle that ... you really don’t buy out that these 2.9 billion is a shameful slap on Russia's reputation? And from whom is a slap? From a peripheral state, with a destroyed economy, history, etc. etc.
      2. Marcus Aurelius_2
        Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 12: 19
        -8
        You will probably be surprised, but no fewer Nazis live in Russia than in Ukraine! In general, in Ukraine there are a lot more adequate people who do not agree with the policies that are being carried out now in Ukraine!
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 28 December 2019 19: 26
          -2
          Glory to Karina!
    5. bistrov.
      bistrov. 28 December 2019 09: 18
      +4
      Quote: kjhg
      Moreover, the cost of pumping increased several times.

      There is no data yet on the cost of pumping. What makes you think that she has grown "several times"?
      And the "agreement" itself has not yet been signed. There is only a preliminary agreement. Obviously, the last auction is underway.
    6. Marcus Aurelius_2
      Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 10: 34
      -7
      You're right! complete defeat of the Russian Federation in front of Ukraine! Now Russia will raise gas tariffs for its people to make up for losses!
    7. Marcus Aurelius_2
      Marcus Aurelius_2 28 December 2019 11: 38
      -8
      Well, Kozak has a residence permit in Switzerland, so he is trying!
    8. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 December 2019 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: kjhg
      In general, we were actually forced to keep this Nazi misunderstanding

      Here you cannot argue with how you looked in the eye, "forced" as well as the pension reform.
    9. Winnie76
      Winnie76 28 December 2019 12: 21
      0
      Quote: kjhg
      Moreover, the cost of pumping increased several times.

      And what is the contract already signed? And the price is known? Links to the studio. Otherwise, you buddy, balobol
    10. major147
      major147 28 December 2019 12: 24
      -1
      Quote: kjhg
      This is a real shame for our authorities.

      From the part I agree with you, but what would you do in this situation?
    11. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2019 16: 17
      -2
      In five years, it will not matter for their transit, since Russia is increasing LNG supplies to Europe and by 2025 JV 2 and the second thread of the Turkish stream will be completed and launched, and the transit contract with Ukraine will end - nothing will be presented.
    12. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 December 2019 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: kjhg
      In general, we were actually forced to keep this Nazi misunderstanding, which is also absolutely hostile to us. This is a real shame for our authorities.

      I support you on the first point, I am also disgusted. And the last thing about our authorities, we do not know the whole "kitchen" of the gas war, no one will tell us about it. The authorities will not tell, and Gazprom is a secret behind seven seals. Wait and see.
    13. ccsr
      ccsr 29 December 2019 10: 43
      +1
      Quote: kjhg
      But to put it mildly, this is not true. Russia lost more than $ 5 billion in real money.

      What did you get this figure from?
      Quote: kjhg
      It was forced to extend the transit of gas in a large volume.

      This is not true - transit was reduced by more than two times, not counting 2020, during which they will complete the construction of SP-2.
      Quote: kjhg
      Knowing their love of free money, in five years you can safely expect the filing of new lawsuits against Russia and Gazprom.

      Not knowing how things will turn out on the European gas market in five years, it is possible that we ourselves will have to ask Ukraine to increase the volume of annual pumping through their territory, especially taking into account how Europeans began to fight for the environment.
      Quote: kjhg
      In general, we were actually forced to keep this Nazi misunderstanding, which is also absolutely hostile to us.

      In general, as they say in the preference, "There are no more sad stories in the world than a four-by-four trump card," so if the cards went like that, then you don't need to pull your hair out, because baldness is unlikely to decorate you. You just need to really look at the situation, and not think that Ukraine will suddenly disappear by itself or the Great October Maidan Revolution will take place there.
      Quote: kjhg
      This is a real shame for our authorities.

      There is no particular shame - the USSR also built gas pipelines and drove gas to Europe, and there were problems too, and so wait until at least the summer of 2020 to make it clear who and how dishonored.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 December 2019 06: 55
    +12
    Be that as it may, but the cheek burns, as if from a slap ... Not without the help of striped-ears, who "broke" the SP-2 theme paired with Denmark. Fired synchronously ...
    1. Mytholog
      Mytholog 28 December 2019 07: 02
      -2
      There is no synchronicity here.
      The Nord Stream stopper is the direct reason for such a concession. Otherwise, the losses would be even greater.
      Well ... learn from mistakes. I want to believe (
      1. 210ox
        210ox 28 December 2019 07: 23
        +12
        Let's take a look at the communal service receipts. How much will this concession result for us ordinary citizens.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 28 December 2019 11: 07
          -3
          Quote: 210ox
          . How much this concession will result for us, ordinary citizens.

          Gazprom shares sold to pension funds)))) I think that not much.
    2. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 28 December 2019 07: 10
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Be that as it may, the cheek burns, as if from a slap in the face ...

      And from the growth of tariffs for housing and communal services does not burn?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 28 December 2019 07: 42
        -2
        And what kind of growth? 20% or 30? ...
        Quote: Qwertyarion

        And from the growth of tariffs for housing and communal services does not burn

        While I do not notice anything like this ... Enlighten?
        1. Qwertyarion
          Qwertyarion 28 December 2019 07: 58
          -3
          Twice a year they raise.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 28 December 2019 07: 59
            +1
            Quote: Qwertyarion
            Twice a year raise

            How much?
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 28 December 2019 11: 07
            0
            Quote: Qwertyarion
            Twice a year they raise.

            In dill?
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 December 2019 06: 58
    +17
    A good continuation to the topic of liberals. There are no liberals; there are people who hate Russia and love their homeland.
    How can you characterize the first two comments, but they do not care, they again have a tricky plan.
    And then the United States delivered an ultimatum to the builders of the northern stream, in fact, declaring war on Russia. But again, there will be figures who will shout that this is good.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 28 December 2019 07: 13
      -4
      How can you characterize the first two comments, but they do not care, they again have a tricky plan.
      And, what have you personally seen in my commentary that indicates that I "do not care" and that I "hate the Motherland"? Maybe before throwing accusations it is worth learning to read carefully?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 December 2019 07: 22
        +11
        You wrote from someone who really did it.
        We have already lost three times. Paying tribute to America through Ukraine, surrendering positions along the northern stream and who will come to the victory privatized by the liberals (exactly with a small letter) Since the tricolor show has nothing to do with the battle of our ancestors.
        Once again, paying tribute to Russia is a humiliating defeat, but continue to pray to these authorities, on the geniuses of foreign policy. It will take 20 years and you will remember Putin as Yeltsin.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 28 December 2019 08: 29
          +3
          Quote: Gardamir
          It will take 20 years and you will remember Putin as Yeltsin.

          But I do not agree with this. You can hang a lot of things on Putin, but equating him with the Yeltsin era, this hyper exaggeration is simple. God forbid again this for Russia.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 28 December 2019 12: 11
            +3
            God forbid again this for Russia.
            Here you are a little wrong with the events.
            So a play in three acts. The first act on the stage is marked. His task is to make everyone understand that it is impossible to live in a house called the Soviet Union. To do this, bugs, cockroaches and rats were brought into the house. And in the end they turned off the electricity and gas. But people were taught. that it has always been so. All the power of state propaganda was put on discrediting the state. And they did it, came blue. he broke everything. After all, you wanted socialism with a human market face. The house was demolished, many died under the ruins. A new house was erected on the ruins. Then the right one came (does not drink, does not smoke). All he had to do was to improve the new capitalist house. "Elite" the best apartments, well, let the vile people in the basement live and rejoice for the Christmas tree
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 December 2019 09: 20
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      How can you characterize the first two comments, but they do not care, they again have a tricky plan.

      Only in VO I finally understood who these quilted jackets are .... earlier for me it was something abstract, such as just an offensive nickname
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 28 December 2019 09: 29
        +5
        The only consolation is the fact that this category of citizens is declining.
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 28 December 2019 14: 24
          +3
          reminds of the 80s ... the "refrigerator" is more and more replaying the "box" ... emptied pockets squeeze the brains more and more ...
          not the best option ... but in a different way, apparently, not to get through ...
  6. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 28 December 2019 07: 08
    0
    "the bulk of the funds will go to the development of gas production in Ukraine"In Israel taken separately! Or whose citizenship do all the leaders of the VNAUkraine have?
  7. Self
    Self 28 December 2019 07: 15
    +7
    The United States, having imposed on Russia at one time, a favorable Constitution, in which international organizations have the right to dictate any conditions to it, do not themselves recognize the decisions of any courts other than their own. As long as Russia allows it to bend down in all sorts of Stockholm and Geneva, there is no need to be indignant, but it is necessary to pay. Tear yourself away and pay and pay. Who stopped 20 years ago to remove these humiliating points? What, people against it? It’s not so simple to mean, and this state of affairs is clearly beneficial for someone. You can even guess who.
  8. igorlvov
    igorlvov 28 December 2019 07: 20
    +2
    more interesting
    Ukraine announced receipt of $ XNUMX billion from Gazprom
    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/12/27/dolzhok/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0Uk5MP-u4PkTqS5-IizBUJxKfIgj1hwbloz3jGRn6BguG3TsQyg_Cg31Y
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 28 December 2019 11: 14
      -3
      Quote: igorlvov
      even more interesting Ukraine announced receipt of five billion dollars from Gazprom

      But where did they come from - there were only two court decisions
      Of the monetary claims of $ 17 billion announced by Naftogaz, the arbitrators satisfied the claims in the amount of $ 4,673 billion in connection with the supply of gas for transit to European consumers in a smaller volume than was stipulated in the contract. Taking into account the amount previously awarded in favor of Gazprom under the supply contract the arbitrators set off the counterclaims, as a result of which Gazprom is obliged to pay Naftogaz $ 2,56 billion.
      https://topwar.ru/136978-gazprom-ne-soglasilsya-s-resheniem-stokgolmskogo-arbitrazha-po-vyplate-naftogazu-256-mlrd.html
      If Gazprom paid 4,76 with %%, then
      Gazprom notes that Naftogaz is silent about the need to pay $ 2 billion. It is this amount that Ukraine must pay to the Russian Federation for arrears.
      https://topwar.ru/132571-reshenie-stokgolmskogo-arbitrazha-po-rossiysko-ukrainskomu-gazovomu-sporu-i-kto-pobedil.html.
  9. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 28 December 2019 07: 25
    +16
    Zelensky is right! True, this is not a victory, this is a gain .... And no matter how "heaving" jingoistic patriots in both states, the fact is the fact. Personally, as a Russian, to whom the president of my country, from the TV screen, declares about the "delusional" of the Stockholm court, and two days later the payment of money for this "delusional" decision is very unpleasant. Not nice, not because my country has lost 2,9 billion. dollars, but because they deceived me, and the president deceived me. The situation with gas exports will change sooner or later, but the sediment from deception will remain for a long time ...
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 28 December 2019 07: 31
      +16
      and why so worry then ... well, deceived, well, what of this ??? ... for the first time or something ??? ...
      for 20 years it’s time to get used to this lie ... over the years, so much is communicated and re-promised ...
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 28 December 2019 07: 46
        0
        And I don’t worry ... I personally don’t lose anything from this payment and I don’t gain anything. It's just time to change the power in the elections for 24 years, peacefully ... although more and more I want to go to "Aurora" and use it for its symbolic and historical purpose angry
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 28 December 2019 08: 36
          0
          ... although more and more I want to go to "Aurora" and use it for its symbolic and historical purpose

          If you have problems in your country, arrange a revolution - and you will understand that in your country
          there were no problems.

          1. Kronos
            Kronos 28 December 2019 10: 55
            -1
            Chupukha Coup may bring grief and revolution is good
    2. Crystal of Truth
      Crystal of Truth 28 December 2019 07: 37
      0
      Well, he did not cheat. Any loser side considers the court decision delusional, but fulfills ..
    3. D16
      D16 28 December 2019 07: 50
      +2
      Gazprom should have slammed the door and sent Brussels along with Stockholm for educational purposes. But how then to work with them? At stake is not frail loot, compared with which five billion is so, a trifle on hats laughing .
      1. Crystal of Truth
        Crystal of Truth 28 December 2019 07: 52
        0
        And how to pump gas, how to fulfill contracts?
        1. D16
          D16 28 December 2019 07: 58
          +2
          And how to pump gas, how to fulfill contracts?

          If you are me, then I asked the exact same question:
          But how then to work with them?
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 28 December 2019 12: 39
        0
        Quote: D16
        Gazprom should have slammed the door and sent Brussels along with Stockholm for educational purposes.

        In no case - now there is a court in London, and Ukraine will be obliged to pay the debt to us with interest in the amount of $ 4,5 billion. So we should never do this if we want to return our money, especially that until they are returned, the placement of government securities of Ukraine will be banned on all trading floors. And this is very painful for the economy of any country, and everyone knows about it. So, as our poet said, it’s not yet evening ...
        1. D16
          D16 28 December 2019 16: 38
          0
          In no case - now there is a court in London, and the State of Ukraine will be obliged to pay us a debt with interest in the amount of $ 4,5 billion.

          You have a bad habit of pulling a phrase out of context.
          So we should by no means do this if we want to return our money, especially since until they are returned, the placement of government securities of Ukraine will be prohibited on all trading floors.

          Gentlemen allow rules to be changed during the game. So I won’t be surprised even by the most illogical decision of the London court.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 53
            +1
            Quote: D16
            You have a bad habit of pulling a phrase out of context.

            Didn't you offer to slam the door?
            Quote: D16
            So I won’t be surprised even by the most illogical decision of the London court.

            It is possible, but first you need to wait for such a decision, if any.
            1. D16
              D16 28 December 2019 22: 36
              0
              Didn't you offer to slam the door?

              If you read to the end, you would understand that no.
              \
              It is possible, but first you need to wait for such a decision, if any.

              there will be no decision in our favor. They have been trying to recoup for all their shoals since the Crimean War. What was the cost of the light cavalry attack and we save the women and children in the first place. The nature was also against the invasion.
              It looks messy, but it is.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 29 December 2019 10: 22
                +1
                Quote: D16
                What was the cost of the light cavalry attack and we save the women and children in the first place.

                You would have trumped Cromwell - then certainly everyone would understand your logic of understanding modern financial relations ...
                1. D16
                  D16 29 December 2019 10: 54
                  0
                  The decision of the Stockholm arbitration also does not fit into the logic of financial relations. Wait, see. smile
    4. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 28 December 2019 08: 34
      0
      ... declares that the Stockholm court is "delusional", and two days later .... This is called "Swing for a ruble, a blow for a penny," I will add, tail between my legs. Unfortunately, most of the high-profile statements end there.
    5. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 28 December 2019 10: 47
      -1
      Personally, as a Russian, to whom the president of my country, from the TV screen, announces the "delusional" of the Stockholm court, and two days later, the payment of money on this "delusional" decision is very unpleasant. Not nice, not because my country has lost 2,9 billion. dollars, but because they deceived me, and the president deceived me.

      Where is the hype? Why slander Putin? The court decision seems delusional, but perhaps the decision is not delusional, we do not know all the details. This is a court decision. Like or not, the decision is to fulfill. Putin said everything correctly, he did not deceive anyone.
    6. Winnie76
      Winnie76 28 December 2019 13: 01
      -1
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Not nice, not because my country has lost 2,9 mln. dollars., but because I was deceived, and the president deceived

      Gazprom lost in court, and the conclusion from this "deceived the president." Vitaly, I am powerless to follow this logical chain. You are simply the king of logic.
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Personally, as a Russian, to whom the president of my country, from the TV screen, announces the "delusional" of the Stockholm court, and two days later, the payment of money on this "delusional" decision is very unpleasant.

      Me too. But life doesn’t consist only of pleasant moments.
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      The situation with gas exports will change sooner or later, but the sediment from cheating will remain for a long time ..

      Sadly, how are you going to live with such sediment now? laughing
  10. Crystal of Truth
    Crystal of Truth 28 December 2019 07: 42
    +17
    The trouble is not that they paid the money to Ukraine and conclude a contract ..
    The trouble is that they forgot the wise words - "Do not boast when going to the army" ..
    Now, propagandists of all stripes have to change their shoes urgently ..
    Sorry for them)))
  11. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 December 2019 07: 44
    +3
    This is just the beginning! A month will not pass from Ukraine lawsuits will go to the European courts, demanding the arrest of our assets in a foreign country! Blackmail will become even more sophisticated and arrogant! And the country's authorities received another disgrace, not far from the war. ..
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 28 December 2019 07: 53
      -8
      And who are we going to fight with? We need to prepare ... otherwise, "if tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is on a campaign" and I "dismantled" my alarming suitcase. laughing
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 28 December 2019 07: 58
        0
        Vitaliy Tsimbal hi -I don’t know who we’ll fight with, but I know that almost the entire NATO unit will push against us and driven by the United States, and the Japanese will at least climb from the Far East. ...
    2. D16
      D16 28 December 2019 08: 06
      +3
      A month will not pass from Ukraine lawsuits to the European courts will go

      No, they won’t manage to cash out and capitalize three lard a month. But a lot of walking on the New Year holidays.No.
      Later, yes. "Due to the difficult economic situation" will start again laughing
      demanding the arrest of our assets in a foreign country!

      And a lot there Your assets? lol
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 28 December 2019 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      This is just the beginning! A month will not pass from Ukraine lawsuits will go to the European courts, demanding the arrest of our assets in a foreign country!

      It’s complete nonsense - once we have recognized the court’s decision, we will transfer the indicated amount to Naftogaz by bank transfer, and therefore no one will arrest anything. But if Ukraine does not comply with the decision of the London court to return the state debt of $ 4,5 billion after the refusal of the appeal, then Ukrainians will have to fear the arrest of their state property abroad.
    4. Winnie76
      Winnie76 28 December 2019 13: 06
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      This is just the beginning! A month will not pass from Ukraine lawsuits will go to the European courts, demanding the arrest of our assets in a foreign country!

      In this case, Gazprom itself prescribed the Stockholm arbitration in the contract. Now he pays for it.
  12. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 28 December 2019 07: 57
    +7
    It is striking that people in both countries talk about this garbage.
    Dill thieves seized three green lards from Russian thieves.
    From this people are neither cold nor hot.
    Money flowed from one pocket to another.
    And then this thief together went to drink vodka under the baked pig.
    Because, as - overpower! Everyone won ...
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 28 December 2019 08: 21
      +1
      Thieves do not sue, thieves squeeze each other !!!! A big gangway gathered and decided - let the authorities resolve the misunderstandings. Authorities (in Sweden) also decided on the concepts - in connection with the depletion of the Ukrainian community, let the brothers from Russia help their brothers from Ukraine wassat
  13. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 December 2019 08: 14
    +15
    I live in Russia and I am deeply on the drum of someone's "problems" and "ailments". I am simply infuriated by outright cynicism when people (Miller in particular), worthless in life and useless in fact, are given some merit, they are credited with high efficiency, they are not assigned weak financial support, but in the end it turns out that they are simply not able to run state business without lowering the state itself and not subjecting this stupid business to fines.
    This is not Gazprom paying $ 2; we are impoverishing us by 900 rubles, depriving ourselves of unfinished schools, hospitals, kindergartens and housing in exchange for emergency. This we will remain with unfinished objects, underdeveloped, under-received state subsidies against the background of the brazen, cynical physiognomy of this figure:
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 28 December 2019 08: 26
      +14
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I live in Russia and I am deeply on the drum of someone's "problems" and "ailments". I am simply infuriated by outright cynicism when people (Miller in particular), worthless in life and useless in fact, are given some merit, they are credited with high efficiency, they are not assigned weak financial support, but in the end it turns out that they are simply not able to run state business without lowering the state itself and not subjecting this stupid business to fines.
      This is not Gazprom paying $ 2; we are impoverishing us by 900 rubles, depriving ourselves of unfinished schools, hospitals, kindergartens and housing in exchange for emergency. This we will remain with unfinished objects, underdeveloped, under-received state subsidies against the background of the brazen, cynical physiognomy of this figure:


      I join every word. But the photo lacks yet another arrogant but cynical face - his employer.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 28 December 2019 12: 46
      -3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I live in Russia and I am deeply on the drum of someone's "problems" and "ailments". I'm just pissed off by outright cynicism

      In order not to infuriate, you had to stay in the USSR, but you personally didn’t want this, so get what you aspired to by your naivety.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 28 December 2019 14: 57
        +3
        Quote: ccsr
        In order not to infuriate, you had to stay in the USSR, but you personally didn’t want this, so get what you aspired to by your naivety.

        I will not even evaluate your comment, because unlike you, I voted for the preservation of the USSR. And after that, the EBN gas criminal group didn’t ask anyone ... I only voted for the successor for the first time, hoping for the best.
        Premonitions did not deceive me. And, as regards naivety, I repent - I invested vouchers in some kind of investment fund and I look forward to compensation of deposits from Gref ...
        feel
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 47
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I will not even evaluate your comment, because unlike you, I voted for the preservation of the USSR.

          And it was necessary not to vote for the USSR, but to go out to the barricades when the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was banned — that is when voting to preserve the USSR was possible. What is the point that you voted if those who planned the liquidation of the Soviet regime wanted to spit on your opinion?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Premonitions did not deceive me.

          You are not the only one, so don’t sprinkle ashes on your head - better explain to your descendants what mistake they made so that they at least understand the advantages of that system. Maybe they will succeed, unlike us, who have missed out on the great Fatherland.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          and waiting

          This is the whole misfortune of our fellow citizens, unlike those who did not wait in 1917, but took all power into their hands.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2019 16: 27
      0
      Actually, they didn’t deprive, due to the last increase in oil prices by $ 6 - the budget was replenished by 350 billion rubles, and the federal program for regional infrastructure development doesn’t lose anything and will not lose from the fact that Gazprom paid Ukraine 187 billion rubles - because Gazprom equity of 12 trillion rubles. Less panic and tantrums from scratch.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 28 December 2019 08: 15
    -3
    . Zelensky on the payment of $ 2,9 billion by Gazprom: This is another change

    Time will tell.
  15. Pied Piper
    Pied Piper 28 December 2019 08: 18
    -4
    The President of Ukraine declared "victory" (in the Ukrainian version - "overpower")

    Potroshenko could not, but Zelensky bent Russia (with Jewish comrades) ..
    But we still will not go to the recognition of the junta in Kiev! hi
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 28 December 2019 10: 58
      +3
      Wake up long recognized
      1. Pied Piper
        Pied Piper 28 December 2019 11: 16
        -4
        Quote: Kronos
        Wake up long recognized

        Moscow may be, but not the Urals and Siberia!
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 28 December 2019 11: 25
          +3
          I did not know that the Urals and Siberia are separate countries
          1. Pied Piper
            Pied Piper 28 December 2019 15: 53
            -4
            Quote: Kronos
            I did not know that the Urals and Siberia are separate countries

            This is the backbone of RUSSIA ..!
  16. Edik
    Edik 28 December 2019 08: 34
    -1
    Gas cannot go in one direction in half of the pipe, and in the other half in the other half.

    Maybe! Proved by Sylvester!
  17. tap
    tap 28 December 2019 08: 39
    +1
    That is not nonsense ... Miller said three years ago that in the 19th contract ends, and then a cookie, not transit.
  18. Moskovit
    Moskovit 28 December 2019 09: 09
    +5
    "Copecks" paid. The question is, will Ukraine pay its 3 billion to Russia?
  19. Densel
    Densel 28 December 2019 09: 38
    +2
    5 billion dollars that Gazprom will pay to Ukraine is 325 billion rubles. To spend at least one tenth of this money on the Kremlin’s clever political technology work in Ukraine — no one would have happened.
    However, the same story is repeated with Belarus.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 28 December 2019 11: 17
      +3
      5 billion US invested in Ukraine, while completely changing the course of this country ..
      And we pay them the same money .. ka .. I will not say anything ..
  20. Bear040
    Bear040 28 December 2019 10: 16
    +1
    I have to agree that having grabbed nearly 3 mln bucks from the Russian Federation due to the fault of supposedly effective managers of the GDP, whom it was high time to dismiss for inadequacy of their position, or to imprison for outright sabotage, Bandera won in one battle, but not in the war ... she only begins and victory does not shine for them
  21. Sergst
    Sergst 28 December 2019 11: 01
    -1
    Quote: kjhg
    ... Moreover, the cost of pumping increased several times ...
    "about several times" have not yet heard, where does this information come from? It seems that Ukraine will receive significantly less for transit than it wanted, although more than under the Tymoshenko contract. The figures on VO were given, were they incorrect?
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 28 December 2019 11: 14
      +1
      I heard somewhere that with a decrease in volume (from 100 to 60), Ukraine will receive even more than before .. (if I'm not mistaken, 4 billion, instead of 3)
      1. Sergst
        Sergst 28 December 2019 11: 52
        -2
        Not so, for 65bn. in 2020, Ukraine will receive $ 32 per thousand cubic meters. That is a little more than 2 billion. I can be a little mistaken. So 4 billion. A clear exaggeration, or it is not about one year.
  22. Alien From
    Alien From 28 December 2019 11: 01
    -4
    Let the chances be choked! We will find a council on them, but only before their mattresses are gutted .....!
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 28 December 2019 12: 48
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      Let the chances be choked!

      But you are right in essence - they will really choke, because in the long run no one will need their GTS, and will bring nothing except losses.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 28 December 2019 13: 17
        -1
        That is what I had in mind! Maybe it’s hard said, so the brothers didn’t really beguiled the shores, and for a long time!
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 28 December 2019 15: 43
        -3
        you die today, and I tomorrow.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 51
          +1
          Quote: Seeker
          you die today, and I tomorrow.

          What makes you think that Russia will die from the fact that there were temporary problems with Ukrainian transit?
  23. Roman070280
    Roman070280 28 December 2019 11: 13
    +4
    Yes, just something for 1,5 thousand from each Russian .. nonsense ..
    The main thing is that before that they managed to yell at liberty about Bandera who are killing Russian people in the Donbass ..
    Has anyone watched Solovyov ?? What did he sing about this, interesting ??
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 28 December 2019 11: 34
      +3
      As usual, screaming that this is a victory
  24. svp67
    svp67 28 December 2019 11: 39
    -1
    Victory, then it is victory. That's just the United States, not Ukraine
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 28 December 2019 12: 53
      +1
      Ukrainian oligarchs will also warm their hands on this matter
  25. Guards turn
    Guards turn 28 December 2019 11: 52
    +1
    "The last days of the outgoing year are coming.
    This year was difficult for the fraternal peoples.
    As you know this year
    We had to survive the war.

    But there are new frontiers ahead
    But there is a new life ahead.
    There will be many great victories
    There will be a new world dawn "...
  26. Heisenberg
    Heisenberg 28 December 2019 12: 07
    +2
    The most important moment in all this comedy that excites me the most. What will be the size of New Year's awards for brilliant managers of Gazprom? How many millions of greens will each get before they fly away to their yachts?
  27. Fitter65
    Fitter65 28 December 2019 12: 51
    +4
    The President of Ukraine declared “victory” (in the Ukrainian version - “overpowering”) in connection with the obligations fulfilled by Gazprom in the framework of the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. We are talking about the transfer of funds in the amount of $ 2,9 billion by Gazprom to Ukraine.
    And why did you take the words-victory / overwhelming in quotation marks? This is a real VICTORY (PEREMOGA - in the Ukrainian version) that the effective managers of Gazprom presented to Bandera.
  28. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 28 December 2019 13: 22
    +1
    These ghouls robbed the elderly, taking their pensions. But they, in turn, raped punished brothers Ukrainians. So everything is in the way and everything is fine. On the cunning .... there is always .... Something like that.
    And, now the zombies will play a song around the fire: "A cunning plan, let's give toxic bills, Chinese brothers, give us Berlin."
    Everything as usual.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 28 December 2019 15: 12
      +2
      Alas, Gazprom will not lose money from the people
  29. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 28 December 2019 15: 31
    -3
    Let's steal the Ukraina cruiser from them! am
  30. Looking for
    Looking for 28 December 2019 15: 38
    +1
    Quote: kjhg
    This is a real shame for our authorities.

    Well, you can somehow survive the shame. But here's how to survive the complete inability and incompetence of the Russian leadership in managing the country.
  31. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 28 December 2019 15: 50
    +2
    that the bulk of the funds will go to the development of gas production in Ukraine, as well as to repay loans ........ laughed at, some of the funds for gas production are not available and repayment of loans in the amount of 130 lard of fag. Yeah. and where is the rest
  32. malyvalv
    malyvalv 28 December 2019 15: 54
    +3
    We also need to remember the billions injected by Sberbank and VTB into the budget of Ukraine in the hope of keeping the business there. Well ? Did it help? The sadness is that you cannot do business with Ukraine from the word at all. Apart from losses, this will not lead to anything. The fact that they gave away 3 yards will be forgotten by both Ukrainians and Europeans tomorrow. And they will roll out new claims in a new way, regardless of any contracts. The court awarded the same 3 yards not relying on the clauses of the agreement, but on the "difficult economic situation" of Ukraine. What's the problem with repeating?
    Need to tie with Europe. The highways were banned, the engines for our corvettes were banned, the pipe layers were taken away. They have come to contracts with us, but for some reason we are all trying to show ourselves to them as a decent partner. They want to buy gas - let them buy. They don’t want - do not. This should be their headache 100% and not ours.
    1. Connor MacLeod
      Connor MacLeod 28 December 2019 16: 15
      -1
      Quote: malyvalv
      We must also recall the billions of injections of Sberbank and VTB into the budget of Ukraine in the hope of preserving the business there. Well ? Did it help?

      If you are talking about the $ 3 yard ablation that we bought in 2013 and which they refused to repay, then the High Court of London ordered Ukraine to pay us $ 4,5 yards (there have already accumulated interest), and already rejected 3 appeals from Ukraine. The process is going on ...

      https://tass.ru/politika/7302823
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 28 December 2019 18: 05
      0
      Quote: malyvalv
      The sad thing is that you can’t deal with Ukraine from the word at all. In addition to losses, this will lead to nothing.

      Quite right, that is how all relations with these banderlogs should be built.
      Quote: malyvalv
      Need to tie with Europe.

      But this is counterproductive - we are too integrated into the European economy, and for us losses will exceed revenues from such a step. Therefore, with Europeans, we should only expand economic ties, playing on their internal contradictions, and especially in relation to US interests.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2019 19: 37
      -2
      And also on some Ukrainian products, Russia imposed a ban on imports.
  33. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 December 2019 15: 56
    -1
    Life will show hu from hu. Laughs the one who laughs last.
  34. Adimius38
    Adimius38 28 December 2019 16: 18
    0
    nowhere to go nowhere Russia was pressed economically on all fronts; in general, they threw pipes and the ships escaped, fearing sanctions. Therefore, a necessary measure is to make some concessions in order to remove some of the restrictions and claims.
  35. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 28 December 2019 17: 14
    -1
    With teeth and mental stomping of legs, We pulled out a peramoga, how long will the table be set?
  36. Esaul
    Esaul 28 December 2019 17: 42
    0
    Our authorities can beat and deceive only their own people, because they will remain silent and endure everything.
  37. BAI
    BAI 28 December 2019 17: 45
    +2
    This is definitely a "reversal" of Ukraine. And we don't know the terms of the transit agreement. It is quite possible that for the mythical refusal of further claims by Ukraine, Russia will give up the real debt of 3 billion dollars for a state loan. So far, only Russia pays, Ukraine - not a penny.
    1. Connor MacLeod
      Connor MacLeod 28 December 2019 18: 45
      -2
      Quote: BAI
      This is definitely a "reversal" of Ukraine. And we don't know the terms of the transit agreement. It is quite possible that for the mythical refusal of further claims by Ukraine, Russia will give up the real debt of 3 billion dollars for a state loan.

      Will not refuse. There is already a judgment of the Court in our favor. But this is all a topic for another discussion ...

      Quote: BAI
      So far, only Russia pays, Ukraine - not a dime.

      Well, not quite. They collected $ 2,16 billion from Ukraine itself (with Gazprom requirements of $ 37 billion), and $ 4,67 billion from Russia (with Naftogaz requirements of $ 27 billion).

      Read more about here:
      https://tass.ru/info/7396315

      In short, in 2014 we canceled all gas discounts for Ukraine and they tried to prove in court that this decision was illegal and that Russia should return the overpaid money. Most of these claims were rejected. But on the other hand, most of Russia's demands to pay for the shortage of gas for the same period were rejected (the agreement provided for the minimum volumes of gas purchases and penalties for the shortage of gas). In addition, we were forced to pay fines for the undelivered gas for transit (this was also provided for in the contract). Well, in general, so-so "Peremoga" ...
  38. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 28 December 2019 17: 50
    0
    No one doubts that the obser of "effective managers" headed by Leha Miller was a noble one.
  39. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 28 December 2019 19: 28
    +1
    Damn, the documents signed where? Here we’ll see what, where and to whom it will go ...
  40. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 29 December 2019 14: 40
    +6


    nothing has changed after 100 years.