Comparative analysis of taxes in Russia and the USA


One of the favorite topics for discussion among ordinary Russians: income in Western countries. If previously discussed the shelves of European and American stores, now the market has aligned things. Now it’s important to discuss: who the state withholds more taxes from - the Russians or the Americans.


In this regard, two judgments of opposite nature usually arise. First: Americans pay so many taxes that in the end they barely have enough to make ends meet. Second: with American salaries, they skate there like cheese in oil.

A comparative analysis of the tax burden in Russia and the USA is presented on the YouTube channel MyGap.

The author explains that 13% of the so-called income tax of Russians is distributed in unequal proportions between the regional center and all other municipalities of the region, territory, republic. So, 85% of this amount goes to the provincial treasury, and the rest are distributed to other cities and regions of the region. That is, in the city (village) in which a person is employed, half a percent of the tax paid by him can reach.

The author recalls that the phrase “free medicine” is not really true. Every month, 5,1% of wages in the Russian Federation go to medical insurance - that is, primarily for the maintenance of state hospitals.

Details of tax deductions and distributions in the Russian Federation and the USA - in the video:

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  1. Aerodrome 26 December 2019 18: 57 New
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    Comparative analysis of taxes in Russia and the USA
    then it’s consistent ... salaries, pensions, insurance, etc. ... otherwise it makes sense? that’s how much percent of the pension the Yankees remain after paying for utilities and other services, the Internet, TV, electricity, gas, “overhaul”, “intercom”, etc.? .. yes! for the trash!
    1. Svarog 26 December 2019 19: 13 New
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      Quote: Aerodrome
      Comparative analysis of taxes in Russia and the USA
      then it’s consistent ... salaries, pensions, insurance, etc. ... otherwise it makes sense? that’s how much percent of the pension the Yankees remain after paying for utilities and other services, the Internet, TV, electricity, gas, “overhaul”, “intercom”, etc.? .. yes! for the trash!

      We even pay more taxes than in the USA .. .. yes and if you add the interest that we still pay on loans, 20% of the VAT that is sewn into each product .. In general, poverty is peeled off like sticky ... and moreover, with every year the appetite only increases ..
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      3. Ingvar 72 26 December 2019 21: 32 New
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        In addition, the number of employees of the US tax department is 79 thousand people, and in the Federal Tax Service of Russia 146 thousand people. Despite the fact that the population of Russia is half as much. I don’t want to talk about the pension fund at all - the first place in the world in terms of the number of employees.
        1. your1970 28 December 2019 13: 00 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          In addition, the number of employees of the US tax department is 79 thousand people, and in the Federal Tax Service of Russia 146 thousand people. Despite the fact that the population of Russia is half as much. I don’t want to talk about the pension fund at all - the first place in the world in terms of the number of employees.
          and everything is simple there ...
          You are responsible for everything PERSONALLY.
          There are deductions, there will be a pension, no - there will not be. There are no mandatory pensions ....
          There is a medical insurance - they will treat, no - they won’t
          There is insurance against fire, they will pay, no, they will go outside and nobody cares

          That is why there is a small tax one - they don’t have to prove the need to pay taxes of the population. Either they paid or they don’t (if not, they got a lot)

          And here ... no matter how they shout about the opposite, we have a social state. There are no more social states anywhere else ...
          A living example is Tulun.

          How would things be in the USA? Flooding - insurance - recovery. No insurance - go citizens along the street that side on a hiking trip and do not look back

          How did it happen? Flooding - ..... belay ....... - it turns out approximately 76% of the houses are not registered - that is, they do not have LEGAL owners ("what the hell ???? !!! it will be necessary to pay taxes !!!") - .... I’m completely silent about insurance - 8% of houses / apartments in the country are insured ...
          And then what? And then a squeal about "damned bureaucrats - offending ordinary people !!!".
          The fact that legally this common people does not have to by that home no relation none at all is a fait accompli.
          That is why they practically do not give money for repairs - there are no reasons (there are no rights to houses), and they build housing - such as from the administration.
          And even more fun with farmers, they demand money from the state for washed crops, because they themselves did not insure them. This is nonsense under capitalism - wildly vulgar nonsense. Nowhere would this trick work, except for us.
          We do not have socialism, but not capitalism. We have something in between ... unfortunately, it is very close to the grin of capitalism and the nonsense of socialism.
          Wild explosive mixture ...
      4. nod739 27 December 2019 01: 26 New
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        Not even that ..
        You have a company, one machine and a driver, you earned 120 thousand, including VAT, for example, provided transportation services for this amount, on a gazelle, for simplicity of account: your expenses are 10 thousand for fuel (including VAT), 10 for maintaining a car (including VAT ), then taxes:
        From 100 thousand - you have to pay VAT, if your driver receives 21 thousand rubles zp, then + personal income tax and other social benefits - this is another 32% of the spare part without VAT (from this amount you also pay VAT), total 31 thousand minus, still income tax , and regional requisitions .. For parking - in cash? If in white it is displayed as sn-again + 32% + VAT ... and also a bunch of small expenses - dispatching, sending correspondence .. And so on
        Total ...
        Total you will still have to
        1. Donald72 27 December 2019 07: 24 New
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          If at such expenses you have a dirty profit of 120t.r. That is a huge hole in the business plan. Taxes and overheads should not be paid with your own money, but included in the cost of services.
          1. Ingvar 72 27 December 2019 07: 36 New
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            Quote: Donald72
            That is a huge hole in the business plan.

            That is precisely why the same huge hole in the Russian economy is not profitable for us to engage in production.
            1. Donald72 27 December 2019 07: 47 New
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              I myself work for myself and, accordingly, I communicate a lot with the so-called small business. Medium static Russian "besnessman". He invests, preferably credit money, then tries to find a niche for his already open "business", after which he begins to consider how much expenses are in this matter. When he understands how much the costs are, the taxes themselves are often reminded of taxes, the “entrepreneur” is duped and it turns out to be so. It’s not even customary to flash in advance.
              1. RF man 28 December 2019 16: 54 New
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                It's not so much about THIS.
                50-70% "climb" into the "business" with "knowledge" at the level of "2 x 2 = 4".
                A lot of people "profiled" their own hundreds of thousands, and even millions, since their "business" was originally "perishable".
                FIRST, they “open up,” and BECAUSE they already “think” WHO will buy how much. ...
                Even EVERYTHING knowing about taxes and having an o-very good profitability “BURN” because of SIMPLE “lack of customers” in the NEED “volume”
              2. AndreyS 1 January 2020 22: 23 New
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                Quote: Donald72
                It’s not even customary to flash in advance.

                No, not so respected! We haven’t decided to pay money for this) In order to do everything right, you need to order the development of a business plan taking into account all the prospects and losses (which is the dough) or do it yourself (but usually there’s not enough traffic).
          2. nod739 23 January 2020 23: 43 New
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            Right now, January .. Putting a car over 5-6 thousand rubles for a one-day flight is problematic, but if it brings in less than 7 daily average hours, it’s minus the result of the month ... And at what cost of services, excuse me, I need to sell the missing couple thousand, to go to zero? ... I would put it, but there are no such loads
          3. nod739 24 January 2020 00: 05 New
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            Digitalization of the economy - rogue people rule: one rogue drove for 5 thousand, instead of 7, the cargo owners are equal to him ..
            Etozh as in a taxi, today the radio driver said the taxi driver died for 29 years behind the wheel, his heart refused, he didn’t get out of the car for 28 hours, he drank energy ...
            From a good life ?, but no, of course, in order to earn so much that, in addition to food, rent and a car, there would also be enough for a vacation ...
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      5. arlekin 27 December 2019 01: 52 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        In general, poverty is torn off as sticky .. and moreover, every year the appetite only increases ..

        At the school, we were told in history how, under morale, crop failure or other cataclysms in Russia, the Mongol khans reduced or completely abolished the tribute. Then this did not cause surprise or admiration for me and seemed like a natural logical act, because supporting in difficult times, then you can get much more from a rich, multiplied people. However, after years and years, I realized how wrong I was, it turns out the rulers can act differently.
        1. AlexVas44 27 December 2019 05: 58 New
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          Quote: arlekin
          However, after years and years, I realized how wrong I was, it turns out the rulers can act differently.

          It turns out that the Mongol khans 7-8 centuries ago, in terms of concepts, were higher than the current rulers. Classic - O tempora! O mores! (About times! About morals!).
          1. Simargl 29 December 2019 10: 46 New
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            Quote: AlexVas44
            It turns out that the Mongol khans 7-8 centuries ago, in terms of concepts, were higher than the current rulers.
            It’s just what some began to stubbornly call “TM Igo” (to quarrel with the Tatars and Mongols?).
            But what about the fact that we were part of ̶г̶о̶с̶у̶д̶а̶р̶с̶т̶в̶а̶.̶.̶. с̷т̷о̷й̷б̷и̷щ̷а̷.̷.̷.̷ ulus Juchi. And they didn’t fight with us tributeand collected tax.
      6. RF man 28 December 2019 15: 17 New
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        Clarification ...
        1 For “socially significant” goods, the VAT rate is 10%.
        2 NOT all legal entities pay VAT.
        3 Legal entities paid VAT on goods purchased by them, deducted from the calculation “payable to the budget” (in connection with which “VAT payers” work with suppliers-non-payers “Nkhotno”).
    2. Dmitry Gundorov 26 December 2019 21: 29 New
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      Salaries, pensions, a significant comparison factor is how many people leave for permanent residence in the United States and how many young people want or dream to leave and how many Americans leave for us. You can of course invent different reasons for poking at Hollywood or something else. But the fact
      1. grandson of Perun 26 December 2019 23: 44 New
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        Quote: Dmitry Gundorov
        You can of course invent different reasons for poking at Hollywood or something else

        However, it is Hollywood that most influences the number of people who want to leave the states and not leave for Russia. But not real salaries and taxes.
        After all, it is Hollywood that promotes the states as the best country in the world and creates a negative image for our country.
        In addition, local disinformation helped a lot of Hollywood.
        1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 26 December 2019 23: 50 New
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          > After all, it is Hollywood that promotes the states as the best country in the world


          you weren’t in the USA let me guess
          1. grandson of Perun 26 December 2019 23: 57 New
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            Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
            you weren’t in the USA let me guess

            Is Hollywood production only in the states show?
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 27 December 2019 00: 05 New
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              Even in the DNI and LC. Ask your ex that advertises states as the best_country_ in the world. Do not hear a word about Hollywood.
              1. grandson of Perun 27 December 2019 00: 09 New
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                Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                what advertises states as_best_country_world_

                No one says that only Hollywood touts. Their patriotism from the cradle is brought up not only by films.
            2. Robertocalos 27 December 2019 05: 02 New
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              Is oysters taste being discussed with who ate them? Or with someone who has heard that “herring is tastier”?
              1. Igor K 27 December 2019 06: 05 New
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                Definitely a herring (preferably Far Eastern with onions and butter, boiled potatoes) under vodka.
    3. Mikhail m 27 December 2019 05: 53 New
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      Do you have excise taxes on alcohol, fuel, tobacco in the USA? They are not considered a tax, but they can afford to beat very significantly.
      1. your1970 28 December 2019 13: 12 New
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        Quote: Michael m
        excise taxes on alcohol, fuel, tobacco in the USA
        offhand
        2009
        "The US leadership seeks to replenish the budget by more than $ 1 billion by increasing excise taxes on cigarettes. Moreover, in 2009 excise taxes on this product increased in 15 of the 50 US states. This was reported by Bloomberg with reference to the report of the Control Center and US Disease Prevention (Centers for Disease Control, CDC).
        Excise tax increase led to tax increase national average by $ 0,52, up to $ 2,35 per pack, follows from a CDC study. It is noteworthy that none of these 15 states sent additional tax revenue to finance smoking control programs. "
        2015 - US Excise (poorly understood translation)
        Small cigarettes $ 1,01 pack 20
        Cigars, large $ 0,40 pcs. cigar
        Distilled Alcohol 80 Proof $ 2,14 750 ml
        Wine 14% alcohol or less than $ 0,21 750 ml
        Wine from 14 to 21% $ 0,31 750 ml
        Wine 21 to 24% $ 0,62 750 ml
        Sparkling wine $ 0,67 750 ml
        Carbonated Wine $ 0,65 750 ml
        Hard Cider $ 0,04 750 ml
        Beer $ 0,05 12 oz
        Pistols and revolvers 10% price
        Other firearms and ammunition 11% price
        Solarium 10% price
        Glutton gas 21.5-22.5 mpg $ 1,000.00 vehicle
        Glutton gas 12.5-13.5 mpg $ 6,400.00 vehicle
        Phone calls 3% local
        Black Lung Disability Trust
        Coal mined $ 1,10 ton
        Coal mined 4,40% price
        Coal mine $ 0,55 ton
        Coal mine 4,40% price
        Highway Trust Fund
        gasoline $ 0,183 gallon
        diesel $ 0,243 gallon
        Alcohol Fuel $ 0,183 Gallon
        LPG fuel $ 0,183 gallon
        LNG fuel $ 0,243 a gallon
        CNG fuel $ 0,183 gallon
        Tires over 3500 pounds nominal weight. $ 0,09 10 # nominal weight
        Heavy trucks 12% price
        55,000-75,000 pounds. capacity $ 100,00 truck / year.
        every 1000 # over $ 55000 a truck / year.
        over 75000 # $ 550,00 truck / year.
        Leak Underground Tank Trust
        0,1 percent gallon gas storage leak
        Sport Fishing tackle 10% price

        Internal Revenue Services (IRS) in the United States, the Treasury Department is responsible for collecting more than a million excise tax returns, which collects nearly $ 70000000000 in excise taxes. IRS Publication of 510 lists of all forms, tariffs, rules, etc. to collect federal excise taxes. The IRS has the right to sue people who violate excise tax rules and have them in custody.
  2. Nkv3 26 December 2019 19: 03 New
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    What is there to compare?
    It is enough to ask: why in the Russian Federation there is no progressive scale of taxation?
    In the USA, the values ​​of this scale are in the range of 10 - 39,6%.
    Why is it wrong with us?
    Why, on the contrary, are some far from poor people (let’s not specify whose environment they are in) even get tax benefits like those allegedly affected by sanctions? At the same time, however, they do not forget themselves in the distribution of income from the introduction of the Plato system.
    1. Aerodrome 26 December 2019 19: 05 New
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      Quote: Nkv3
      What is there to compare?
      It is enough to ask: why in the Russian Federation there is no progressive scale of taxation?

      who ? on the “straight line”, the galley deftly tacked past the “evil” questions ... and these were not the most evil, but only accidentally breaking through the “filter” ...
      1. Robertocalos 27 December 2019 05: 04 New
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        Do you seriously consider the annual circus performance "answers to questions *?
    2. Star Destroyer 26 December 2019 19: 08 New
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      In Russia there is a progressive taxation scale. The more people earn, the less% of taxes they pay.
      The most successful Russians are exempt from taxation altogether.
      1. Snail N9 26 December 2019 20: 47 New
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        Hmm ... well, that’s, if you still don’t remember how much (in the “rotting” USA) gasoline is there ...
        1. grandson of Perun 27 December 2019 00: 19 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          how much (in the “rotting” USA) gasoline costs

          About the same as in Russia. Although they have a huge share of the cost of gasoline do not make excise taxes like ours.
          1. Comrade 27 December 2019 01: 08 New
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            Quote: Perun's grandson
            they have a huge share of the cost of gasoline is not excise taxes like ours.

            Probably there are no excise taxes like Canada in Russia.
            At the end of 2007, oil was worth about $ 90 per barrel, while a liter of gasoline in Montreal, for example, was worth 60-70 cents.
            Now oil costs about $ 60 per barrel, but a liter of gasoline in the same Montreal costs at the same time 117-120 cents per liter.
        2. Qwertyarion 27 December 2019 04: 19 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          Hmm ... well, that’s, if you still don’t remember how much (in the “rotting” USA) gasoline is there ...

          It turns out quite sad.
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          This morning it cost - 41 rubles / liter or 2.42usd / gal.
      2. Vadim237 26 December 2019 21: 49 New
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        And 13 million does not pay them at all, since they work in black
        1. Ingvar 72 26 December 2019 22: 06 New
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          Quote: Vadim237
          And 13 million does not pay them at all, since they work in black

          And even those working in black pay about 40% of taxes. VAT, plato, all kinds of excise taxes, real estate tax, etc. Secondly, where did you get the figure of 13 million? Every tenth person in the country, counting the elderly and children? Vadik, good to drive! negative
          1. Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 45 New
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            Pensioners work the same, I personally know one such thing, my pension is minimal, and I earn tens of thousands a month, I am engaged in welding and do not pay taxes - according to official statistics, it is poor.
            1. Ingvar 72 27 December 2019 20: 58 New
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              To be honest, working pensioners owe nothing to the state.
              1. freddyk 28 December 2019 12: 36 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                To be honest, working pensioners owe nothing to the state.

                That's right. A working pensioner is generally wildness. This is a shame on the state. And in Russia the overwhelming number of pensioners works, instead of traveling around the world or sitting with grandchildren :-).
          2. RF man 29 December 2019 08: 30 New
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            You write nonsense.
            According to YOUR “calculations” in some European countries, generally 60-90% of “taxes” - in Germany, income can reach 45% and plus 18% VAT.
            We have a property tax of 0,6%, for most of the food and other "socially significant" - 10% VAT, many retail outlets do not pay VAT at all.
            Although something stings on taxes - we have a large part of the population does NOT produce anything and live off the expense of taxes and excises
      3. Aibolit 26 December 2019 23: 27 New
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        Comrade !!!
        This is called a REGRESSIVE SCALE OF TAXATION!
        And yes, there is such a personal income tax only in Russia
  3. Zaurbek 26 December 2019 19: 07 New
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    In any case, the comparison is not our benefit. It is better to make a comparison with European countries. And with different ones. Poland, Serbia, Germany, Ireland.
    1. Ingvar 72 26 December 2019 21: 41 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      It is better to make a comparison with European countries.

      In Germany, total taxes are around 50%. For the middle class. But there is a progressive scale.
      We have about 80%.
      1. RF man 29 December 2019 08: 31 New
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        You spread FALSE "knowledge"
        1. Ingvar 72 29 December 2019 09: 30 New
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          Pointing to a lie, you need to give an example of the truth. wink
          1. RF man 29 December 2019 16: 51 New
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            You are OR “troll” OR “full of loshara” ...
            Have you LOTY given "examples"?
            So - "on the fingers in 5 minutes" ...

            Take the abstract “Russian situation”.
            A certain person receives 25 thousand “on hand”.
            BEFORE this pays (from him “withheld” and transferred to the budget the employer “tax agent”) 13№ PIT - 3,7 thousand.
            (there is also a “FREE tax”, etc., but “forget it”)
            The annual income of the brow “pure” will amount to 300 thousand personal income tax - 44,8 thousand per year.
            His TOTAL income (“salary”) is 344,8 thousand per year or 28,7 per month.

            People have a “three rubles” at a price of 3 thousand and a car of 000 hp. at the price of 100 thousand
            Costs of a person for “property taxes”:
            Property tax 06% - 18 thousand per year, or 1,5 thousand per month.
            Transport tax - 1,4 thousand per year or 0,1 thousand per month.
            (these payments depend on the region and other things, but - “forget”)

            People travels 33 thousand km per year. and that is like 3 times a year.
            Spends on 100 km. 8 liters of 92 gasoline.
            People smoke - a pack a day for 100 rubles.
            People drink 0,5 pivasa per day, 0,5 vodka on weekends and holidays.

            People pay excise taxes:
            gasoline (3,7 thousand / t) - 9,8 thousand per year or 0,8 thousand per month.
            cigarettes - 18,9 thousand per year or 16 thousand months.
            alcohol - 7,1 thousand beer + 32,9 thousand strong = 40 thousand in the YEAR or 3,3 thousand. in month

            People "passing the salary" pi pays 10% VAT on products - 1,1 thousand per month. or 13,6 thousand per year.
            Suppose that he pays 20% VAT on the rest of his salary - 2,1 thousand per month. Or 25 thousand a year.

            TOTAL this person in the YEAR "gives the state" 171 rubles. or 500 thousand per month.
            This makes up 49,7% of his annual income.

            PS
            "Our people" VERY love "tryndet" that "pay taxes" ....
            YES, and the truth is PAYING, but "WHAT DO YOU WANT" for YOUR 500 re a DAY - shampoo-washed streets, good street lighting, "beautification", "safety", etc., etc., etc. .... ???
            People, are you SERIOUS ?? YOURSELF HUNTLY "Koryachite" for 500 re in DAY ??
            That's ALL “somehow SO” ...
            1. Ingvar 72 29 December 2019 20: 54 New
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              Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
              You are OR “troll” OR “full of loshara” ...

              There is always a third option. wink
              Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
              Take the abstract “Russian situation”.

              Where did you divide the 34% that the entrepreneur pays for the employee? There is no need to hold the employer for a sucker - he hangs up any payments on the worker for any. Those. corny does not pay extra for this amount s / n.
              Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
              El pays excise taxes:
              gasoline (3,7 thousand / t) - 9,8 thousand per year or 0,8 thousand per month.

              Your calculator is crazy - 33000 km per 82 liters. gasoline = 2700 l. in year. Multiply by 42 p. = 113.400rub. Excise taxes and taxes in the price of gasoline are at least 67%, i.e. 75.978 rubles..
              Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
              10% VAT on products

              Have they collapsed from oak? fool Check in the store carefully look, 20% VAT on products.
              You yourself are a troll, my friend, or a foolish ignoramus. wassat
            2. Mordvin 3 29 December 2019 22: 37 New
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              Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
              That's ALL “somehow SO” ...

              You have a strange person. With a salary of 25 thousand, only for gas, alcohol and tobacco 15 thousand leaves. To eat the rest of the salary is already not enough.
              Conclusion:
              1. Your abstract person is a bum on wheels.
              2. Steals, bastard, on clothes and shoes.
  4. Star Destroyer 26 December 2019 19: 12 New
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    What is this State Department propaganda doing here? Have you decided to rock a boat?
    I don’t see the mark “foreign agent” on the site, but this is an excellent reason to send a Roskomnadzor application.
    1. Dangerous 26 December 2019 21: 24 New
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      haha, subtle humor, put +))))
  5. Barmaleyka 26 December 2019 19: 22 New
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    You need to compare not salaries and taxes, but everything including expenses on food, housing, medical treatment, etc.
    1. WIKI 26 December 2019 19: 46 New
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      It is necessary to compare not only these expenses, but also the quality of what you get for your money in return _ health care, education, housing and communal services, infrastructure. The effectiveness of the use of budget funds by officials comes to the ridiculous, when the "summer curbs" are changed to "winter".
  6. Ross xnumx 26 December 2019 19: 47 New
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    Comparative analysis of taxes in Russia and the USA

    What to compare a nose with a finger? What difference does it make to what taxes are paid in the USA. We know one thing that in Russia there is no progressive personal income tax scale, unlike the countries that are world leaders.
    Taxes collected by the state are obliged to work for the development of the country, and not be an end in itself and compensation for the costs and losses of the oligarchy.
    In Russia, they even forgot that a fixed amount of increases in salaries and pensions is socially equitable, narrowing the gap between rich and poor, and the increase in the geometric progression of the same salaries and pensions deepens it.
    The collection of certain taxes in the Russian Federation simply does not have any economic value ... It has already been calculated and verified that high rates of development are possible when taxes are from 1/4 to 1/3 of income.
    If these parameters are exceeded, then it is not necessary to come up with new rates or raise the retirement age, but to ask about distribution by work and deal with the methodology of reducing parasitic people from all spheres of economic and scientific activity.
    1. Vadim237 26 December 2019 21: 53 New
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      The progressive scale in Russia will be effective only for large firms with a net profit of one billion rubles a year; everything else - it can very well hit the pocket of an ordinary layman.
      1. Ingvar 72 26 December 2019 22: 10 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        very cool can hit the pocket of an ordinary layman.

        Have you recorded yourself in the rank and file? wink What an ordinary layman, if we are talking about the PROGRESSIVE scale, i.e. about those who earn more than the average hard worker.
        1. UserGun 26 December 2019 23: 52 New
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          Yes, what is he ordinary ... He ittit, trades, as he himself admitted, relatively recently)))
          1. Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 48 New
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            I actually do production, investment and services. Buy sell - not my direction.
        2. Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 52 New
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          Yes, because if they introduce a progressive progressive tax, it will first of all affect all speculators and they will not refuse to profit, they will simply raise prices for all their goods and services - in the end, people like you will be in the red. It’s easier to return the tax police.
          1. Ingvar 72 27 December 2019 20: 56 New
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            and they won’t give up profits, they will simply raise prices for all their goods and services

            In Italy there is such a law that if a producer raises the price, he must justify this by an increase in costs, and not by increased appetite. Huge fines for appetite.
            1. Vadim237 28 December 2019 13: 35 New
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              Italy is not Russia, no one will give such justifications for their goods, since this is direct government intervention in private business.
              1. Ingvar 72 28 December 2019 16: 09 New
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                this is direct government intervention in private business.

                Is there a totalitarian regime, right?
    2. aybolyt678 26 December 2019 22: 21 New
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      and ask questions about the distribution according to work and deal with the methodology of reducing parasitic people from all spheres of economic and scientific activity.

      This is contrary to the Constitution !!! laughing which guarantees freedom of business and social justice consisting in the protection of private property ... ownership of towers, pipes ...
      1. Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 04: 48 New
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        This is contrary to the Constitution !!!

        Our constitution is such an interesting thing that you only marvel at reading it through its articles. For instance:

        hi
    3. UserGun 26 December 2019 23: 49 New
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      What a difference to us from what taxes are paid in the USA.


      And such that at every convenient and inconvenient case, the king of his comrades and others like them henchmen, in the face of the media, pokes us with his nose - And they have there ...)))
      1. Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 05: 05 New
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        And such that at every convenient and inconvenient case

        I understand your concern, but you can only compare when the constitution, the laws of the two states have a 99% coincidence, and the economy develops according to the same laws.
        BUT!!! stop
        If in one state tax evasion is a grave crime, and in another there is no progressive scale of taxation, because the persons involved can go into the shadows; if the monetary unit in one country is the reserve currency, and in the other - the mockery of which the Central Bank makes fun of itself - what kind of comparison can there be? Who needs this comparison?
        This is the same as comparing the capabilities of an ant and an elephant. The sense of the fact that an ant can lift a load 50 times its weight (0,005 g)? Putting on tusks and holding with a trunk, an elephant can carry logs weighing up to 700-800 kilograms. And one can arbitrarily loudly extol the ant’s abilities and fantasize on the subject of proportions and weights, but for ants to drag an elephant’s log, they must gather at least (theoretically) 2 ... And besides, it’s not a fact, that even 800 ants will be able to do the work of one elephant ...
        hi
        1. your1970 28 December 2019 13: 36 New
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          If in one state tax evasion is a grave crime, and in another there is no progressive scale of taxation, because the persons involved can go into the shadows;
          -only on my street at least 6 people would go to jail in the USA for tax evasion ..... but these people are in the shade .....
    4. Robertocalos 27 December 2019 05: 10 New
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      So you agree that the country's budget is not a field for business. Nygche it looks like a high treason. Elderly Kostin (the state "banker"), for example, rolls his young chick on a private plane, and my mother, with 40 years of experience, receives three trips to the grocery store. And the connection is direct. Taxes in this scheme are lesser evil.
  7. Sapsan136 26 December 2019 19: 50 New
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    Not only do we in Russia constantly pay taxes on supposedly free medicine, we are also regularly forced to turn to paid services, which divorced like dirt, because of the wild bursts, or the lack of the ability, in principle, to undergo some kind of examination, or to perform surgery for compulsory medical insurance
    1. knn54 26 December 2019 20: 09 New
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      As for medicine. Health care is free, and treatment is paid.
      1. Sapsan136 26 December 2019 20: 12 New
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        About the fact that even OMP medicine is only conditionally free and all the doctors look in your pocket, I generally keep quiet, this is well known
        1. 75 Sergey 26 December 2019 22: 07 New
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          Well, he just deleted the gallstone - he gave the surgeon 5 rubles and gave the anastasiologist 5 rubles.
          1. Oleg83 26 December 2019 22: 47 New
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            Well, he just deleted the gallstone - he gave the surgeon 5 rubles and gave the anastasiologist 5 rubles.


            And my uncle was driven to a free clinic for 2 months according to various analyzes (the same as bile), as a result, he scored, went to a paid one for several days, did all the tests, and then the operation
            And I would go for free (after three months, some tests already become invalid) and FIG would receive a referral for an operation - that’s why then such “free” medicine (for which deductions from our salary go)
  8. Alien From 26 December 2019 19: 52 New
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    The topic is interesting, it’s bad that the video, not the article.
  9. fiberboard 26 December 2019 20: 24 New
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    There, on the website km.ru, they wrote that our three billionaires: Potanin, Mordashev, Rotinberg were enriched by 27 billion for the year. Let's be happy for them.
    1. Snail N9 26 December 2019 20: 51 New
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      I was always happy for "Russian, patriotically oriented entrepreneurs":
    2. Vadim237 26 December 2019 22: 00 New
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      One can be glad for Mordashov and Rotenberg - he makes the first domestic gas turbines, he made a second bridge to the Crimea.
      1. Ingvar 72 26 December 2019 22: 16 New
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        made a second bridge to the Crimea.

        He is just a contractor who has not earned enough on this yet. And you wrote him right in the benefactors.
      2. New Year day 26 December 2019 23: 09 New
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        made a second bridge to the Crimea.


        Do not tell me why it is so expensive?
        China: Danyang-Kunshan Viaduct between Shanghai and Nanjing was built in two years. The length is 164,8 km, 9 km of the bridge is above the water. A branch of a high-speed railway runs across the bridge. The bridge is listed in the Guinness Book of Records. The cost of the project, according to various estimates, amounted to 8,5-10 billion dollars. The price of one kilometer is approximately 363 million dollars.
        Krymsky bridge: length 19 km, by land 11.5 km and only 7,5 km erected over the sea. The total value of almost $ 4 billion.
        If we compare the surface part of both bridges, then the construction of the 1st km of the Crimean bridge, which more than 7 times shorter than Chinesecost Russia in 533,3 million dollars dollars per kilometer, i.e. 170,3 million more.
        1. Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 57 New
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          Probably because you forgot about geography and terrain features for the construction of the bridge - hence the price, and the Crimean bridge is not one bridge, but two automobile and railway bridges. You probably forgot the same thing about it.
          1. New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 10 New
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            it is not one bridge, but two bridges, a road and a railway

            Well, compare, if so
            1. Edik 27 December 2019 17: 39 New
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              O Sylvester, you are now turning out to be a professional builder! Do you own the topic, or as always?
              The fact that you and Putin drank vodka under the Christmas tree in the New Year, we know! But I personally did not know what you own, you know, the technology for building such unique bridges!
              So tell us how these bridges differ technologically?
            2. Edik 27 December 2019 18: 18 New
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              well, compare

              I won’t tell you much, it’s hard for you to see! Soil and load ... Well then, continue ...
      3. Robertocalos 27 December 2019 05: 14 New
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        Well, that is, a couple of yachts deserved honestly, right? Especially a judoka.
  10. Engineer 26 December 2019 21: 44 New
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    I remind you that in Russia the regressive taxation system for certain articles.
    Contributions to pension insurance-22% of the amount of earnings, but only for the amount of not more than 876 thousand rubles per year.
    All that exceeds this amount is taxed at a rate of 10%.
    1. Vadim237 26 December 2019 21: 57 New
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      In fact, it turns out the same thing that I will pay with 876000 22%, that from 2 million 10%.
  11. 75 Sergey 26 December 2019 22: 04 New
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    Duc in Russia uses hidden taxation.
    13% is the tip of the Iceberg, then 20% VAT, as well as income taxes, various types of taxes that the employer pays, including meditsina and pension funds.
    Russians handwriting.
    1. Vadim237 28 December 2019 13: 39 New
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      Those who export VAT are refunded.
  12. Sasha_2 26 December 2019 22: 33 New
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    The main advantage of the American system is that it is more honest than the Russian one. If the American socialists want to raise taxes - they go to the polls, say why and what people will get in return. And not like in Russia with the pension reform and VAT, DAM really thought and decided. About the same money is paid out to the state and federal budgets. there are tax deductions for the poor. In NY For many essentials there is no VAT. It is also important that there is charity. That is, I can pay some money to the district school or hospital where I live, my children are treated and studied. In principle, there is no point in discussing less, because in the states you decide many things yourself, but in Russia they are provided by the state. Which way is better - to leave more to people or more to the state - is completely unobvious. In principle, if the state spends money fairly and efficiently, it makes sense to pay more taxes. In Russia, the main problem with taxes is the distribution of taxes. Skew towards Moscow and state needs due to pumping money from the regions.
    1. New Year day 26 December 2019 23: 11 New
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      Skew towards Moscow and state needs due to pumping money from the regions.

      In 2019, more money was spent on the improvement of Moscow than on the construction of the Crimean bridge and exactly as much as was spent on the improvement of all the cities of Russia.
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    3. Robertocalos 27 December 2019 05: 18 New
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      Make people pay taxes in Russia themselves, not employers. The current government will not last. As soon as each citizen understands that he gives half of what he earned to an inefficient feeding system, he will simply stop doing this.
      1. Sasha_2 27 December 2019 05: 26 New
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        In states in a less formal business, taxes are paid by the employer. As far as I know, if taxes are not deducted according to the schedule during the year, then fines. But the system is different - everything is paid to you a penny and taxes and all deductions are already paid from income. And in Russia, the employer hell knows how much he paid taxes, and then he accrued the salary and from it a symbolic 13% personal income tax. But on the other hand, in Russia, everything is much simpler with taxes from the point of view of the average person, and the Federal Tax Service works as a service from the future compared to the states. About transparency and the effectiveness of spending in the United States, I would also advise you not to build illusions - there are enough problems and unscrupulous officials
      2. Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 58 New
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        In our country, 20 trillion rubles are being cheated with taxes in the shade.
    4. Vadim237 28 December 2019 13: 44 New
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      The main advantage of the American tax system is that it pulls three skins from those who decide to evade taxes.
  13. Sergst 26 December 2019 23: 16 New
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    I remind you that in Russia the regressive taxation system for certain articles.
    Contributions to pension insurance-22% of the amount of earnings, but only for the amount of not more than 876 thousand rubles per year.
    All that exceeds this amount is taxed at a rate of 10%.

    That's for sure? Is anything higher than 876 thousand deductible in the PF?
    1. Engineer 26 December 2019 23: 30 New
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      Gave outdated information.
      Now the limit is not 876 thousand but 1 thousand. But 150% over the limit remains
      The rest seems to be true
      Source
      https://ppt.ru/art/nalogi/v-fondi
  14. Terenin 26 December 2019 23: 25 New
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    One of the favorite topics for discussion among Conventional Russians: revenues in Western countries.

    Yeah, the usual Russians have nothing more to do than discuss the income of the Anglo-Saxons. And why not Afghanistan, Iraq, Greece ...
    Well, better they live, so what? Hang out? They deceived the whole world, promising not to politicize the dollar, as a world currency and with pride that they had fooled everyone ... they would almost burst.

    Details of tax deductions and distributions in the Russian Federation and the USA - in the video:

    Here are similar videos and photos about Russia and simple snotty political scientists vparivayut Americans.
    1. maximnik0 27 December 2019 02: 31 New
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      Tired of state propaganda.
      Remember those Zadornov, 40% of Americans didn’t correctly tell where they are located in Russia. 80 ‰ of the airtime in the USA in the news about the USA. enemies, etc. I visited China, American news channels are calmly shown there and it can be compared, even newspapers are sold, only Google and Weizap services are blocked, they’re not forbidden to climb Russian sites.
  15. Sergst 26 December 2019 23: 40 New
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    Quote: Engineer
    Gave outdated information.
    Now the limit is not 876 thousand but 1 thousand. But 150% over the limit remains
    The rest seems to be true
    Source
    https://ppt.ru/art/nalogi/v-fondi

    Is it not 10% if the employer voluntarily determines the size of the base more than the standard?
  16. Klingon 27 December 2019 01: 18 New
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    It is better to make a comparison with European countries.

    In Germany, total taxes are around 50%. For the middle class. But there is a progressive scale.
    We have about 80%.

    for example, Germany, the middle class: a net charge of 4000 € and 2400 on hand. But there is one more trick: - a tax class. there are six of them .. 1- single (pay a large tax) 2- single mothers (pay a small tax due to subsidies for children) 3 - family (the correct ratio is important here, it’s either 3/5 or 4/4. I’ll explain who in a family it makes more profitable to take the 3rd tax class; the tax is paid the least, the earning less family member receives the 5th class from which more tax is taken.respectively, if the spouses receive approximately the same salary, they get 4/4 tax classes. ) fifth grade - see above. and the sixth is if you have a part-time job for the main job. If in a month you do not work more than 36 hours at the second job and receive no more than 500 €, then you do not take tax from this second job. and if you work more than 36 hours and / or earn more than 500 € (surcharges on holidays and night shifts are not taxed) then you will be charged tax on the sixth (worst) class.
    In Germany, the second highest tax in Europe. In Belgium, the tax is even higher and amounts to approximately 70% of the RFP.
  17. nikvic46 27 December 2019 06: 39 New
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    Do not think that Americans have been raised taxes for a short period of time. Unlike us. Every generation of America sees a small increase in taxes. Over 200 years, all this has accumulated. About credit, there are no rules at all. Maybe it's good, maybe not. Part of the population pays taxes only to the states. In general , we are in a hurry to do what the Americans have been doing for two centuries.
  18. Jack O'Neill 27 December 2019 08: 13 New
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    Vitally ...
  19. Taoist 27 December 2019 09: 53 New
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    "Easy scam" in this video ... We take into account the salary that a person receives on hand (that is, after the payment of "hidden taxes" by the employer.) - accordingly, it turns out we have deducted this tax twice.
    1. 29dest 27 December 2019 15: 18 New
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      What does it mean twice? Zp "on hand" is obtained net of all these taxes.
      1. Taoist 27 December 2019 19: 24 New
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        It’s just that we have just taken the salary “on hand” for calculation - while the indirect taxes that the employer pays are already deducted from it ... But when calculating them, they were again calculated from the same amount (i.e. twice) And the American s / n taken before taxes - and deductions are taken into account 1 time ...