The Ministry of Defense showed a video test of the new air defense system "Gibka-S"

A test video of the latest Gibka-S mobile air defense system appeared on the Web. The video of the Ministry of Defense posted on its channel on YouTube.

As can be seen on the frames, the complexes during the tests carry out single and group launches of anti-aircraft missiles at various air targets. At the same time, shooting is conducted not only from a standing vehicle, but also in motion.

At the beginning of the third decade of December, the Ministry of Defense reported that the latest Gibka-S mobile air defense system completed state tests, fully confirming the specified tactical and technical characteristics.

The complex is installed on the chassis of the Tiger armored car (VPK-233116) and allows you to fire at various types of air targets, including when the car is moving at speeds up to 30 km / h. The complex was specially created for the air defense of the Ground Forces, it can be used, inter alia, to cover the columns of military equipment on marches, to ensure the security of the military field camp.

"Bending-S" provides for the destruction of air targets using missiles of the Verba and Igla / Igla-S Igla portable anti-aircraft missile systems. The launch of missiles is carried out remotely. Additionally, the installation can use ATGM "Attack".

The crew of the fighting vehicle compartment - 4 people: the commander of the MANPADS, two anti-aircraft gunners and the driver of an armored car.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

The center of gravity is not too big? I understand that it is not to compete in the rally, but what if there were no "shell" ...

[bessmertniy]

In principle, it looks pretty mobile. If you need to improve, then you can always return to the development and upgrade.

[loki565]

The center of gravity is not too big?

In the stowed position it develops

[The leader of the Redskins]

Have you watched the video? There, she walks uncrossed over rough terrain to the place of the shot. And he’s driving a little faster on the highway, in the same position ....

[loki565]

Well, until the end, look at 0.53 in the stowed position

[The leader of the Redskins]

I’m telling you that they carefully move around in the video, and you tell me about the POSSIBILITY of folding! No one doubted this function. Do not tumble while riding over bumps in the unfolded position ?!

[loki565]

He does not "move carefully", he demonstrates the possibility of shooting in motion.

The complex is installed on the chassis of the Tiger armored car (VPK-233116) and allows you to fire at various types of aerial targets, including when the car is moving at speeds up to 30 km / h.

[demo]

A weighting agent at the bottom of the car, and everything will be fine.

[Rzzz]

The machine, as it were, is not very light in itself, this slingshot at the top will not greatly change the weight distribution.

[bk316]

Do not tumble while riding over bumps in the unfolded position ?!

And at what speed can you fire at all in motion? It is written up to 30 km / h
So he goes no faster.

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I’m telling you that they carefully move around in the video,

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Do you want them to "jump" like on a rally ??? Estimate how much "Tiger" weighs! AND HOW MANY weighs this one, though cumbersome, but light "Flexible" !!!
Any questions???

[dvina71]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And you watched the video

Well, why was there a truant physics at school? They would teach you to correctly determine the center of gravity .. How do you say a 5-ton machine can it change 300-400kg on the roof?

[The leader of the Redskins]

At school, the center of gravity is not taught. This is a university. But in school you can hear about the overturning MOMENT - the strength of the application, multiplied by the shoulder. Remember Archimedes - give me a foothold and I will turn the earth.

[dvina71]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

At school, the center of gravity is not taught.

Are you a foreign companion ... Tumbler? Not? Nothing?
In the third grade, you were not taught how to determine the centroid of a flat sheet of any shape? Using thread, cloves and gravity.

[venik]

Quote: dvina71

How do you say a 5-ton machine can it change 300-400kg on the roof?

But I don’t think that all this "gizmo" on the roof will pull 300-400 kg! In the best case - a kilogram - 70-80 !!! (In the same place, there are "openwork" constructions! This is "sea" "Flexible" - it can pull half a ton ... Although I strongly doubt it!

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The center of gravity is not too big?

The metacenter of course has risen, but the "Tiger" itself is still that "piece of iron", although I think so, precisely because of this, there are two containers on the guides ...

[Bar2]

What is this bending? Is there such a word? There are words
-flexibility
-flexible
maybe bending is bending? Damn what.

[demo]

There is a technical term - metal bending.
This is an adjective.

[Bar2]

Quote: demo

There is a technical term - metal bending.
This is an adjective.

and what is the point, zrk gave such a strange name? Complex, what should bend? It is not easy to negate in the sense, but also some kind of hidden negativity.

[demo]

Well, what about the Hyacinth self-propelled gun, which gate?
Our manufacturers have specific humor.
"Solntsepek" is cool!
Or "Point".

[garri-lin]

There will be nothing cooler than "Buratino". Perhaps only to develop a series of new grenades and call them "Smeshariki".

[cost]

Good news on the Day of Air Defense Forces of the Russian Ground Forces

[Bar2]

Quote: demo

Well, what about the Hyacinth self-propelled gun, which gate?
Our manufacturers have specific humor.
"Solntsepek" is cool!
Or "Point".

it’s not the same thing, hyacinth, acacia can be touched, it’s nouns
-Cutting is in the sentence -quality adjective, not noun, not existing. Those. there are no such things in nature. To call in this way the types of weapons, some sort of profanity.

[bk316]

Well, what about the Hyacinth self-propelled gun, which gate?

Hands off my gun
Although yes, he climbs a little in the gate.
When the exercises in the GSVG were demolished, the MASS of the fences on the bends in the narrow streets ...
I'm certainly talking about the towed option.

[egor1712]

Probably some kind of designation. For instance; YaRS is a nuclear deterrent rocket. So here the designers generalized something.

[Maz]

I didn’t understand something - there are three cars at the end, and not one, does it mean a detection station, a launch and a support car? ... two tiger cars?

[olhon]

Hm. something I did not notice the radar. Everything on optics or something ..

[Sentinel-vs]

Used missiles MANPADS "Verba" and "Igla" do not need radars. They have multispectral IR homing heads.

[brr1]

Guidance radars are not needed, and radar for detection is not superfluous.

[Victor Star]

Where would she be from? This is MANPADS on wheels, with all the consequences. Instead of a radar, two people (IMHO brute force for two missiles) and probably external target designation as in manual ones.

[garri-lin]

The second may well work from the ground. I hope there is such an opportunity.

[loki565]

On another machine is

[YOUR]

There is a radar, for 27 s, falls into the frame.
The “Bibka-S” system consists of two main components that ensure the growth of combat capabilities of existing MANPADS. This is the combat vehicle of the anti-aircraft gunner’s squad (BMO), as well as the reconnaissance and control vehicle of the anti-aircraft platoon commander (MRUK) from the Garmon radar 1L122. It can control 6 combat vehicles or 4 squads with MANPADS. Distance to BMO in motion up to 8 km, in stationary positions up to 17 km. Detecting a target range of up to 40 km, but the accuracy of determining the coordinates of the target is of course so-so - 100 meters. Another disadvantage of the radar is not a circular view, looking forward in the sector of 30 degrees. Of course, the characteristics of the radar are weak, but still better than the anti-aircraft gunner with his eyes, he was looking for the target.
The system is clearly not finalized in terms of automation. MRUK crew - 3 people: platoon commander, driver and telephone operator, i.e. information on the target is not transmitted automatically, but as in the forties from the posts of VNOS voice over radio and telephone communications. This, of course, is not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday.
Those. with all the seeming cleverness, the combat work will look like this, the telephone operator detects the target, takes the coordinates, and, upon the command of the commander, transmits a command to the BMO by the coordinates of the target and the order to destroy it by voice over the radio.
Of course, the characteristics of conventional MANPADS are increased, but somehow everything is weak, it does not correspond to the real capabilities of the technology.
In theory, the means for automated measurement of coordinates and their transfer to the BMO should be on MRUK, hardware is just a device at a cost that does not exceed the cost of a conventional not-too-sophisticated tablet.

[garri-lin]

Such simplicity makes it possible to transfer information to units outside your network. The same infantry MANPADS have. He threw out his voice that everything was flying from. And the accuracy of determining the coordinates for MANPADS is not important. The main thing for the fighters to indicate is the sector and the time plus minus half a minute.

[YOUR]

Dear, there are no units in the Armed Forces, this is not a toy shooter.

[garri-lin]

Well, how else can you call at once a whole huge list of heterogeneous units. The word is clearly understood.

[YOUR]

As they are called and called. The fighting vehicle of the anti-aircraft gunner’s squad, the anti-aircraft gunner’s squad, you can just anti-aircraft gunners. An operator-telephone operator can transmit information only to those who are in touch with him, and there is nobody in touch except his unit. Otherwise, bacchanalia will succeed.

[garri-lin]

So it was about that that my post was not quite right. I don’t know how to set the hour and earlier in motorized riflemen and each BM had MANPADS. It is also advisable for them to throw off the information from where something is flying, so that they can prepare in time.

[YOUR]

The question is how to do this.

[garri-lin]

Well, this is the essence of network-centricity. When there is a general information field of a theater When everyone can contact everyone and transmit the necessary information. With a minimum of intermediaries.

[YOUR]

Well, the bedlam will be on the air. And how to determine who you want to contact, how to highlight that frequency, and get the information you think is necessary. You know that from the realm of fiction.
As for air defense, there is a common information network when, on a common wave, the radar operator transmits the coordinates of the target, but there are also enough difficulties.

[garri-lin]

This is not a fantasy realm. These are realities. And now there is a process of accelerating the transfer of information.

[YOUR]

How do you imagine this in real life?
There are units — a detachment, a platoon, a company, a battalion, a regiment (brigade), and a division.
How are you going to organize the delivery of information to these units?
This bending will be organizationally part of the regiment (brigade). There is an air defense unit there - an anti-aircraft missile and artillery battery. What should it look like next? Can you sketch a sketch?

[garri-lin]

Google what a single information space is.

[YOUR]

Those. do not offer anything concrete.

[garri-lin]

Why offer something that has been working steadily for decades.

[sivuch]

And why does the squad leader sit with a tablet? Once he threw off information to a specific shooter with his voice on the radio, now, of course, there are faster and more convenient ways, scientifically referred to as augmented reality

[YOUR]

I don’t quite understand what are you talking about?

[sivuch]

On the receipt by the platoon commander of the radar gunners from the superior commander, its distribution between the individual anti-aircraft gunners and how to transmit this radar.
By the way, the question of the place of this chariot in the OShS of a brigade or division (and which division is msd or airborne or with the marines?) Is really interesting. I think the whole chip in shooting in motion - on the march or on the offensive.

[dmmyak40]

The word is understandable, probably for network players in tanks and more. For those who have a little command of the Russian language and have read about the Soviet Army since childhood, there are terms: (combat) unit, unit.
You should not produce entities beyond measure and try to introduce in the language not the most correct terms from igrulek. Everything has been invented before you.
PS Next will be: fuel (fuel), random (random), piercing (armor-piercing), bombing (bomber), shooting (shooting) ... You can continue the list yourself.

[garri-lin]

In a word, name the following participants in the fight against enemy aircraft: a mobile complex on a car chassis. One of the fighters of the anti-aircraft gunners of this complex landed two kilometers from the main position of the complex with a pair of missiles. The mobile complexes located in the neighborhood, outside the supposed trajectory of the intercepted target, are purely warned. The covered parts should be warned just in case, but suddenly we won’t cope. Own units of covered units capable of air defense, with the issuance of the direction of movement of the target and time of approach. How can all this kagal people be called in one word ???

[dmmyak40]

Clarify if you want someone to call "mobile complexes located in the neighborhood, outside the supposed trajectory of the intercepted target, to warn"?
Or "mobile complex on a car chassis"?
PS And you also need to significantly tighten your Russian language: punctuation and spelling, first of all. Yes, and the style does not hurt.

[garri-lin]

I use what I have. Since I am not Russian by nationality and received education outside the Russian Federation, I can’t meet your high standards. And in a word I asked to name all of the above together. I don’t know the right word. I don’t know. Another word except Unit.

[dmmyak40]

Well, since you don’t know, take advantage of this. The master is the master.

[garri-lin]

Well, you tell me. As it is possible to fit in a single word and individual fighters and entire units.

[olhon]

Thank. Holiday greetings.

[YOUR]

How could he helped. Happy you.

[Mytholog]

Need a car. The main thing is that you do not have to jump out on the go to reload it. And so - it works beautifully, yes)

[Cowbra]

Yeah, the main thing is to be where it is NECESSARY

[garri-lin]

Where NATO is there

[rocket757]

By car there is a complex of automation and network interaction with other elements of the SYSTEM, and this is a big GUT !!!
And so, in terms of height and ability, it will catch on to something, this may be a problem, and drivers need to be prepared very seriously.

[loki565]

And so, in terms of height and ability, it will catch on to something, this may be a problem, and drivers need to be prepared very seriously.

In the stowed position it develops

[rocket757]

Quote: loki565

In the stowed position it develops

So reconnaissance, airspace control, should be conducted by another intelligence complex. Those. network interaction, notification should be made in advance. Deployment time, readiness, is not instantaneous.

[aszzz888]

Beauty!!! 0:41 min movie. I believe that the results are also positive.

[RUS96]

Quote: olhon

something I did not notice the radar

[Same lech]

What is the target range?
Enemy turntables can now hit from 10 km ... can the complex at such a distance be able to withstand them?

[rocket757]

Now the trend is this, carriers do not enter the range of short-range air defense. Means of attack are highly evolving !!! Those. Air defense will be forced to do multi-layer.

[5-9]

Kilometers 6, more of the MANPADS are difficult to squeeze.
"They can hit from 10 km" - they cannot and there are no such missiles, and in general ... it is extremely difficult to detect a ground target from such a range (in contrast to detecting a helicopter) even in steppe conditions (we are not talking about other reliefs), and if and it is possible that you need to climb to such a height that you will fall under the distribution from adult air defense systems of short or even medium range. And "helicopters with missiles 10 km away", especially with such missiles, are usually not used for targets covered by MANPADS (or MANPADS on armored vehicles like here) (motopichot on armored personnel carriers, BMDs or on foot).

[sivuch]

But this is what I periodically and with varying success try to convey to the audience - that an air defense missile with a range of at least 10, at least 20 km can be created, but there may be problems with target detection.

[strannik1985]

Competition "Where else to adapt the Tiger" continues?

[Alexey-74]

I think that this is a good and mobile system.

[tlauicol]

after start-up, it would be necessary to give gas, and into the ravine, or behind the trees

[Same lech]

And if you are in the desert where there is nowhere to hide.

[tlauicol]

Quote: The same Lech

And if you are in the desert where there is nowhere to hide.

then the arctic fox this bending

[novel66]

dig in quickly

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

I am a little alarmed by the "hobby" of our military designers to hang combat modules on armored vehicles. Make it out of a car, the main purpose of which is the delivery of personnel to the place of battle, and not the conduct of hostilities (even the modern "Tiger" is very vulnerable in battle). Maybe I'm wrong, but the technique made according to the "formula" of the jahad-mobile is a cheap version of the "one-time" use of weapons, which is not a pity to abandon, if something happens. It seems that, taking the Syrian experience as a basis, the Armed Forces forgot that we have many swamps and rivers, unlike the Syrian deserts .... and the "Tiger" cannot swim and crawl through the swamps.

[novel66]

there is a certain meaning, too many divorce funds have been divorced, a direct hit is still a rarity, and so - at least it will cover from fragments

[Al_lexx]

Vitaliy. This car is not a delivery vehicle, but a patrol car. Just to have such an installation, as part of a patrol or reconnaissance platoon, assault (goodbye drones), plus that thread from the ATGM to another, and a heavy machine gun and something like an ACS on the third - what you need.
And the personnel at the battlefield deliver armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
And yes, what you call jihad mobile is not such a stupid idea when the terrain allows and there is no need to bring down a big pile. Such a compact, mobile, well-armed group can control a fairly large territory, requesting support from the air if necessary, or whatever. But the trench warfare, front to front, is gradually becoming a thing of the past. This was clear back in WWII and was fully confirmed in Vietnam, Afghanistan and further on the list.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Alexey, in general, you are right, but the wars of Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria are wars of a transitional period, when new tactics appear, but the equipment and weapons do not yet meet the requirements for such a battle. But there is also the experience of fighting in South Ossetia (2008) and Dombass - and they are different from Syria and Afghanistan. The first (2008) showed the lag of our army - therefore, for such a fleeting armed confrontation, there were also large losses (especially in equipment and aviation from the Russian Federation) and losses, including in "patrol" equipment near Georgia, which, having lost tanks, abandoned many armored vehicles. And all this is taken into account today in our Armed Forces. But designers and manufacturers have not yet restructured their understanding of the requirements of the army of the future. In pursuit of "making money", they begin to "save". Take for example the same BRDM, this machine was multifunctional and cross-country ability + buoyancy made it in demand among the troops, but for some reason our command does not set the task for the military-industrial complex to create something similar to the BRDM, but was carried away (?) By the "Tigers". Just imagine that the same patrol is carried out in the Tver region, where there are many rivers, a stream and swamps - who will be more maneuverable "Tiger" or BRDM ???? That's what I mean.

[sivuch]

I think the purpose is quite specific - air defense on the march.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

And, I think that like Pushkin - "you would not be chasing, priest, for cheapness" ...

[Amateur]

Everything new is well forgotten old. Only the soldier, in contrast to the current "iskins" (artificial intelligences), was cheaper, more reliable and more efficient for big money.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Amateur

Only the soldier, in contrast to the current "iskins" (artificial intelligences), was cheaper, more reliable and more efficient for big money.

Man is a priori more expensive. Not for humanitarian reasons, but precisely economic ones. Take a calculator and stupidly calculate how much money is needed to grow and learn that soldier and how much this carriage / system costs.

[akropin]

Man is priceless. And estimate how convenient it is for a soldier to stick around the waist from the hatch, without support. And then there's the manhole cover is doubtfully convenient. And also he gets on distribution from high-explosive fragmentation. This photo demonstrates the hopelessness of the situation rather than firepower.

[sivuch]

Only he shoots from his place (he would try on the move with terrible shaking) and no one gives him the preliminary control.

[Al_lexx]

Great solution for mobile groups. Landing forces and marines should like it.
Interestingly, is it something like an ATGM can shoot down?

[Alexey RA]

It would be a good car ... if it were not for MANPADS as a missile system.
Let me explain: the main advantage of MANPADS is the ability to carry it by the crew and the resulting mobility and low visibility. The calculation of MANPADS can be anywhere (in Afghanistan, in order to increase the ceiling, the spirits placed calculations even on mountain peaks), and it is extremely difficult to notice a "man with a pipe" before launch. However, for the sake of this mobility, it was necessary to sacrifice the performance characteristics of the SAM itself, having packed it into dimensions and weight, suitable for carrying by forces of calculation and firing from the shoulder.
While MANPADS is portable, you can put up with these shortcomings. But everything changes when the designers put MANPADS on the chassis. The complex loses mobility, being tied to roads and "technically accessible" terrain. The complex loses its stealth - the car is much easier to notice than a couple of people. That is, the wheel complex no longer has the advantages for which they put up with a decrease in the performance characteristics of missiles. But the shortcomings have not gone away - the range of the missile defense system and the power of the warhead remain the same as that of the MANPADS (the range is less than that of the first Hellfires). That is, a wheeled MANPADS cannot even defend itself.
Yes i remember about system Mutual defense of divisions. But why in this system is a low-power and visible complex that itself needs cover? Isn’t it easier as before - to distribute MANPADS to fighters, and use the car only for transportation?
By the way, when the wheeled Strela-1 was being developed in the USSR, it was already at the design stage that it was decided to abandon the armament of the complex with missiles developed for MANPADS and make a new missile defense system for it.

[5-9]

The same thing can be said about the Tiger with Cornet ....

[sivuch]

Again, first of all - for the march in the convoy
Well and again - the adversaries have all sorts of symbads based on the mistral

[Nikolaevich I]

Military expert Konstantin Sivkov suggested that the Russian military hid the tests of a modern anti-aircraft missile behind the Gibki-S tests.
According to the National News Service, earlier the Russian military reported on successful tests of the Gibka-S complex. This is an anti-aircraft missile system, originally installed on warships. But the “C” modification is mounted on armored vehicles, including the Russian Tiger car. Tests have shown that equipment equipped with air defense systems can hit air targets at speeds reaching thirty kilometers per hour. However, Sivkov suggests that the Gibki-S tests are not interesting in and of themselves. An anti-aircraft missile system is just a few interlinked Igla MANPADS, which have been in the arsenal of the Russian army for almost four decades. "Bending" differs from the "Needle" only in stationarity, multi-charge and remote control. But behind the screen of the Gibki-S tests, tests of a really interesting and modern weapon — a missile, which would seriously expand the capabilities of the anti-aircraft complex — could be hidden.

“This is not about“ Gibka-S ”, but about testing a new missile adopted for service with a new, more advanced guidance system, longer range ...
Source: https://politexpert.net/177864-sivkov-rasskazal-o-sovemennoi-rakete-dlya-gibki-s?utm_source=warfiles.ru

[NKT]

This is an anti-aircraft missile system, originally installed on warships. But the “C” modification is mounted on armored vehicles, including the Russian Tiger car

That's right. This complex came from sailors. Moreover, it was presented to sailors in several versions of Bending and Bending-R (Komar) and the main purpose of creating it was to replace portable Needles with a stationary installation. Originally created for 956 projects.

Volgodonsk:

Astrakhan

Vice Admiral Kulakov

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NKT

Vice Admiral Kulakov

But on "Kulakov" "Flexible" looks like a mockery. Because it stands in the place of the forward AP of the Dagger air defense missile system, which the ship never received. The stern is standing, but the bow is not.

[Nikolay Shestakov]

This little cuttlefish for export only is suitable for Africa and the Middle East at a cheap price.

[senima56]

And what is the ammunition of missiles?

[NKT]

Only 8 pieces. (4 + 4)

[senima56]

If so (8 pieces) then good. And then 4 pieces - "will not be enough"!

[bogart047]

she shakes like an epileptic even on a flat road ... What is it about stabilization?

[_Ugene_]

mobility is good, but 2 missiles are not enough, then you need to stop and reload manually, in case of a massive attack, you’ll have to stand still and reload

[Mentat]

Quote: Bar2

What is this bending? Is there such a word? There are words
-flexibility
-flexible
maybe bending is bending? Damn what.

Another thing fell out of the Internet and started trying to put a negative on the news about the achievements of Russia.

Bending is a method of processing pressure. In other words, pressure on air targets.

There is such an expression, “twist into a ram’s horn,” here it’s Bending and bends the enemy into staples and a pretzel.

So everything is fine with this word, calm down, troll.

[glasha3032]

2 rockets - isn’t it enough? And to recharge - to put a ladder? Time recharge - how many minutes?

[Kaw]

A simplified and cheapened version of Arrow-1/10. It does not meet the objectives of modern military air defense. IMHO

[NKT]

Pine is replaced by Strele, and this is the air defense system of the first air defense line on par with the air defense system of Igla and Verba.
Now such a line of military air defense: Bending + (Needle, Willow) - Pine - Thor - Beech - S300V4

[cat Rusich]

SAM "Sosna". Crew 2 (two) - operator and driver. Range 1,3 - 10 km. Height 0,002 - 5 km. Chassis MT-LB, BMP-3 ... Already in service with the Russian army.

[Pattor]

Read and believe less news. Only on paper and theoretically. Almost none of her anywhere

[cat Rusich]

My opinion. It is necessary to invest in the Sosna air defense missile system, since the Pine is long-range. MANPADS are needed for ambushes and places of inaccessible motorized equipment.