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The non-lethal weapon of capitalism: the US has found the weak spot of modern Russia

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In the German press there are materials dedicated to the fact that the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project faces serious difficulties after the United States imposed sanctions against companies involved in the construction of the gas pipeline.


Recall that just a few hours after Donald Trump signed the US military budget for 2020, where their sanctions against SP-2 were prescribed, the pipelines of the Swiss company Allseas left the gas pipeline construction zone. The German media noted that US congressmen deliberately introduced sanctions into the US military budget documentation so that the president did not have any opportunities for discussion.

Meanwhile, a major German newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine, published an article stating that "Russia is looking for a replacement for ships to complete the construction of the gas pipeline." Russia is really trying to find a replacement for the Swiss Allseas, which fled under American pressure. But somewhat confused is the position of German experts. They are extremely cautious in discussing problems with SP-2 and are trying to set everything up as if the gas pipeline is a purely Russian project. The material ignores the fact that the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is actually a pan-European business - thousands of European engineers and workers took part in it (in the implementation), the project is the focus of huge investments made, including by Germany itself.

Therefore, if we look for a replacement for the pipe-laying vessels that have left the Baltic Sea, then, logically, all interested parties - Russia and Germany in the first place.

What attracts particular attention in this whole situation?



The fact that the United States seems to have found a weak spot in modern Russia. You can say as much as you like that the sanctions “only boost the domestic economy along with the degree of patriotism of the population”, but in this case the following is clear: Washington was able to stop the project, which is strategic for Russia and Europe, with a targeted strike. At least he could suspendthat makes Moscow go on a straight line and, what a sin, conceal close contact with Kiev. If a couple of months on the air of the federal media discussed “the collapse of Ukrainian transit” (“at best, on the shoulder of the shoulder, we will sign a one-year contract for pumping 10 billion cubic meters”), now this rhetoric has changed.

In the United States, after analyzing the situation, they came to the unequivocal conclusion that in the current conditions Russia cannot afford to stop transit through the territory of Ukraine. Gazprom needs money, and therefore it will continue to pump. About the "Bandera in Ukraine" again decided to forget. Accordingly: an American project called "Ukraine-Anti-Russia" will continue. The American congressmen found a breeding ground for him, and this is a fact.

The result can be only one: draw conclusions.

The obvious conclusion: only the strong can afford to withstand American sanctions, which means that Europe is weak. The second conclusion: Russia itself has entered the large "capitalist family", and therefore it would be foolish to expect from the same "Gazprom" to uphold Russia's positions in terms of protecting geopolitical interests. You can, of course, give out an “agreement” with the Kiev authorities on a further 5-year pumping, but this does not cancel the fact that the money doesn’t smell. Even the presence of frank Russophobes in the camp of the Ukrainian authorities does not prevent negotiations, declaring all this "pragmatism for the sake of partnership with Europe." But the fact that Europe itself supports sanctions against the Russian Federation is somehow not even customary to recall.

And how many times have representatives of the authorities said that SP-2 is a commercial project, not a political one. Here on businessmen and hit an American baseball bat. Although ... what kind of "hit" - just waved ... and they immediately began to scatter through holes.

The third conclusion: not in vain at the moment when the Red Army liberated Europe from Nazism, Western financial bags hastily set about discussing the issue of dollar domination in order to be able to subjugate entire countries by "non-lethal" methods. The built-up system of this domination operates to this day. And with the thesis "and we have gas in our apartment," this system today allows itself to play in a way that is convenient for it.
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  1. Nkv3
    Nkv3 25 December 2019 11: 22
    -50
    The position of German experts, by the way, is quite understandable.
    The SP-2 project has become toxic, and they are doing their best to distance themselves from it.
    By the way, do not overestimate the German interest in the flow. There are plenty of Gaza today.
    The hope is simply bursting to become a monopolist in the EU on gas distribution.
    But the Germans will survive it. This is better than going into direct confrontation with the States.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 25 December 2019 11: 30
      +24
      Please explain your "logic" by making a statement ...
      Quote: Nkv3
      The position of German experts, by the way, is quite understandable.
      The hope is simply bursting to become a monopolist in the EU on gas distribution.

      Under what conditions could Germany even become a monopolist in the distribution of Gaza ??? And where did you (exclude Ukraine) lose Turkey? Where did Norwegian gas go? Algeria - look too lost? Well, PRG from the USA, WHERE ???
      1. Nkv3
        Nkv3 25 December 2019 11: 49
        -39
        Under such conditions, if the SP-2 was completed. That is precisely why German entrepreneurs joined the project. Now these dreams are covered with a copper basin, Germany will not succeed in becoming a gas hub in Europe today.
        With the Turkish stream their troubles. I remind you: any gas pipeline must be certified by an international independent company. Now, after the imposition of sanctions (and the Turkish stream falls under them along with SP-2) certification will be problematic.
        Norwegian and Algerian gas will not help Germany become a hub, this is not SP-2.
        Yes, German companies that already wiped their pens on the eve of New Year’s profits will now wipe themselves. But is that their doctor? One had to be careful.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 25 December 2019 12: 05
          +14
          Do you even know how to read? I wrote you in Russian - to the distribution of Norwegian, Algerian, LNG physicist USA - Germany in general, no way! What kind of monopoly can we talk about?
          To the distribution of gas (ours) that will go through Turkey ... What will Germany have to do with it?
          Do not litter the branch with your conclusions, which are not at all clever. fool
          1. Nkv3
            Nkv3 25 December 2019 12: 16
            -15
            Apparently, you do not know how to read, since Turkey, Algeria and so on were piled in one heap.
            Read my first comment again. And try to understand its meaning. If this works out.
            It was about the fact that Germany entered the SP-2 project only because the gas pipeline went on land precisely in Germany. Take the gasket diagram SP-2 and study it.
            It was SP-2 that, due to geographical conditions, made Germany a gas hub in the EU. And no other.
            Now the shop is buried. This is clear? I hope so. If you know how to work with a card.
            With what fright you began to drag on the topic of Algeria-Turkey and other Norway it is clear, apparently, only to you.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 25 December 2019 12: 26
              +2
              Chukchi is not a reader ... fool whose words are these?
              Quote: Nkv3

              By the way, do not overestimate the German interest in the flow. There are plenty of Gaza today.
              The hope is simply bursting to become a monopolist in the EU on gas distribution.

              Stop clever here - you can’t! laughing
              Then your sketches - they won’t take a ride ... they won’t give shoes to change in flight either! Stop talking bullshit fool
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 25 December 2019 23: 24
                +1
                Well done Americans, the whole world is forced to develop their own technologies, and not buy imports.
                Russia is being persuaded to create its own pipelayers.
                So, we recently decided to force China to create an alternative to Googl and Youtube, depriving the largest Chinese manufacturer of phones and tablets of access to these services.
                Huawei is preparing a killer Youtube

                Huawei is preparing Youtube killer! The Chinese company will create an alternative to all Google services and not only.

                Submitted by Russian America TV Wednesday, December 25, 2019
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 27 December 2019 09: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  alternative to Googl and Youtube
                  The trouble is that these services have been working for many years, and they are used all over the world, which gives access to content from different countries. And all these alternatives will not give a tenth of that variety of content. How many years have existed Rutube and other video hosting services, to YouTube they are like to the moon. Many bloggers who previously collaborated with Rutub eventually moved to YouTube.
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 27 December 2019 19: 54
                    -1
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    all of these alternatives will not give a tenth of that variety of content

                    Everything changes over time
        2. DenZ
          DenZ 25 December 2019 12: 27
          +11
          Quote: Nkv3
          Norwegian and Algerian gas will not help Germany become a hub, this is not SP-2

          Quote: Nkv3
          The SP-2 project has become toxic, ... there are plenty of gas even today.
          The hope is simply bursting to become a monopolist in the EU on gas distribution

          So, the gas monopolist in Europe in general, or just a hub for SP-2, you can decide, these are two very big differences.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 25 December 2019 13: 45
            +6
            Quote: DenZ
            So, the gas monopolist in Europe in general, or just a hub for SP-2, you can decide, these are two very big differences.

            Well, the trollik changed his shoes when they pinned. What is incomprehensible here.
        3. SSR
          SSR 25 December 2019 12: 52
          +9
          Quote: Nkv3
          Now these dreams are covered with a copper basin, Germany will not succeed in becoming a gas hub in Europe today.

          Yeah, and you will say to the author that this is a blow to weak Russia, but the fact that the laying of the pipeline is slowed down by the kick in the ass received by the Europeans from the US partner, will you, as a "Pole", keep silent and blame everything on Russia?)))
          Washington was able to stop the project with a point strike, which is strategic for Russia and Europe.

          The project is strategic for the Europeans, but the boot that kicked them no less "strategic" for part of Europe.
          1. Nkv3
            Nkv3 25 December 2019 13: 30
            -8
            The pipeline did not slow down, it stopped.
            These are two big differences.
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 25 December 2019 16: 06
              +1
              Quote: Nkv3
              The pipeline did not slow down, it stopped.
              These are two big differences.

              As it stopped, it will resume. Fortune will go from Germany, and in Danish waters she will lay down the "Academician Chersky" when it comes from the Far East. All the same, they did not have time for the new year, there is still commissioning for several months. By the next heating season, they will start.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 25 December 2019 13: 48
            +8
            Quote: SSR
            The project is strategic for the Europeans, but the boot that kicked them no less "strategic" for part of Europe.

            hi
            Yes, the other day the US ambassador to the FRG thanked the "good-natured" Europeans for supporting the US position on the SP-2 issue. Yes, Frau the Chancellor and Monsieur President "tactfully" kept silent about this. But time is a lady with unpredictable quirks, and Russia is not used to giving up its positions. And besides, the "Europeans" themselves have an ambiguous attitude towards the actions of the United States and the statements of its ambassador. Irena Adler formulated this in her address to him:

            So - it's not over yet and "ugh" on all the propals.
        4. Brturin
          Brturin 25 December 2019 13: 53
          +4
          Quote: Nkv3
          Norwegian and Algerian gas will not help Germany become a hub

          At the end of 2018, Algeria reduced supplies to the EU by 1 billion cubic meters (48,4 against 49,4 in 2017). Norway - by 4,3 billion cubic meters (130,5 against 134,8). According to the European Commission's report on gas consumption in the EU in the third quarter of 2019, it grew by 7%, while domestic gas production in the EU countries fell by 9% over the year. So the Norwegians and Algeria will not help much - the demand is growing.
          1. Liam
            Liam 25 December 2019 17: 21
            +1
            Quote: BrTurin
            Quote: Nkv3
            Norwegian and Algerian gas will not help Germany become a hub

            At the end of 2018, Algeria reduced supplies to the EU by 1 billion cubic meters (48,4 against 49,4 in 2017). Norway - by 4,3 billion cubic meters (130,5 against 134,8). According to the European Commission's report on gas consumption in the EU in the third quarter of 2019, it grew by 7%, while domestic gas production in the EU countries fell by 9% over the year. So the Norwegians and Algeria will not help much - the demand is growing.

            You manipulate the data clumsily and thickly. You give a reduction in supplies from Algeria and Norway for 2018. And you talk about consumption growth in Europe for the 1st quarter of 2019. Do not tell the public how Gazprom is doing on the gas front for 2019? I will help once you are shy.
            GAZPROM HAS A SHARP REDUCTION OF GAS SUPPLIES TO EUROPE AND PROFITS IN 2019
            Russian PJSC Gazprom's net revenues from gas sales to Europe and other non-CIS countries in the first nine months of 2019 decreased by 12% compared to the same period last year
            Friday, 29 November 2019, 13:28

            This is stated in the company's report, "DS" informs.

            Reduction of profits in this sector from "Gazprom" amounted to 242 billion rubles ($ 3,775 billion).

            The reason for this result in the company called a drop of 8% in supply, as well as a decrease in average gas prices by 5% in ruble terms and by 10% in dollar terms
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 25 December 2019 18: 57
              0
              Quote: Liam
              GAZPROM HAS A SHARP REDUCTION OF SUPPLIES IN 2019

              January-November 2019 -
              Gazprom supplied 178,5 billion cubic meters to non-CIS countries. m of gas - 99,3% to the level of 11 months of the record 2018 ... At the same time, the volume of exports to a number of countries has increased since the beginning of the year. In particular, to Austria - by 31,4%, to Hungary - by 38,5%, to the Netherlands - by 35,7%, to Slovakia - by 40,6%, to the Czech Republic - by 28,2%, to France - by 8%.
              drop by 0,7% - and where is the sharp reduction in supply
              As for the price, it applies to all suppliers, or you think that this did not affect the Norwegians and Algerians, which I doubt very much. There are statistics that this year they make big profits ??? .... The fall in prices is a matter of the cost of production and supply, and from this, accordingly, the financial stability of the company ... the dynamics of Gazprom stock prices have not yet gone into a steep peak .... So, it’s not only Gazprom that incurs losses
              Claudio Descalzi, Italian Eni CEO: “It’s better when LNG from the US goes east, because shipping to Europe is at a loss”

              Take your time - what quarter are you talking about?
              Quote: Liam
              and about the growth in consumption in Europe, tell me for the 1st quarter of 2019.

              - According to the report of the European Commission on gas consumption in the EU in the third quarter of 2019, do you think this year Norway and Algeria will be able to sharply increase supplies and offset the growth in consumption and the decline in domestic production in the EU.
              1. Liam
                Liam 25 December 2019 19: 09
                -3
                Do not write fakes. Gazprom official press release for the 9 months of 2019.
                Net revenue from gas sales to Europe and other countries decreased by 256 million rubles, or 545%, for the nine months ended September 12, 30, compared to the same period last year and amounted to 2019 million rubles. This is due to a decrease in gas sales in physical terms by 8%, or by 14,0 billion cubic meters. m
                https://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2019/november/article493064/
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 25 December 2019 19: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Liam
                  Do not write fakes. Gazprom official press release for the 9 months of 2019.

                  I give data for 11 months, not 9
                  Quote: Liam
                  Manipulating data clumsily and thickly.

                  And if you need a source for 11 months, you can for example - https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7238599, https://vz.ru/news/2019/12/1/1011314.html and a search engine to help you .... .
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 25 December 2019 19: 31
                    -4
                    Your data with a pitchfork for water without any official sources. Operate with official documented sources.
        5. not main
          not main 25 December 2019 22: 15
          +5
          Quote: Nkv3
          Under such conditions, if the SP-2 was completed. That is precisely why German entrepreneurs joined the project. Now these dreams are covered with a copper basin, Germany will not succeed in becoming a gas hub in Europe today.
          With the Turkish stream their troubles. I remind you: any gas pipeline must be certified by an international independent company. Now, after the imposition of sanctions (and the Turkish stream falls under them along with SP-2) certification will be problematic.
          Norwegian and Algerian gas will not help Germany become a hub, this is not SP-2.
          Yes, German companies that already wiped their pens on the eve of New Year’s profits will now wipe themselves. But is that their doctor? One had to be careful.

          I'm wondering what id ... you put "plus signs" to this misunderstanding? Which registered on 21.12 2019? And the rating ... yes, the usual troll, and people still argue with him!
      2. askort154
        askort154 25 December 2019 11: 52
        +12
        Hunter 2 ...Please explain your "logic" by making a statement.

        Alexey, the troll has only one logic - a tabletop manual. They have taken root here for a whole month (3 - 4 trolls) only change their "nicknames".
        Today on duty - Nkv 3
        Registered 3 days ago, made 19 stuffing, got 3200 minuses. yes hi
        1. Nkv3
          Nkv3 25 December 2019 11: 55
          -37
          Are you interested in the date of my registration or discussion on the topic? On the topic of the article have something to say?
          Or will you continue trolling?
        2. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 25 December 2019 12: 00
          +10
          Alexander hi , Trolleys are getting smaller, before they at least somehow owned a question! Now just throw on the fan fool fool fool
        3. Kazbek
          Kazbek 25 December 2019 21: 23
          0
          Yeah, tough times are here. Previously, it was a resource for military experts and those interested in military topics. Now the range of topics has expanded into civil-political topics, which attracted countless fighting trolls from the 404th and adherents of the fifth column, financed from the budget of the State Department, to the resource. It's time to expand the number of moderators in order to respond more quickly to the stuffing of these "figures".
      3. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 25 December 2019 12: 37
        +4
        With deliveries via SP-2, Germany could probably become a monopolist in gas distribution. Gas from the same Turkey still needs to be extended or brought. America is not going to deliver gas through pipes! It is clear that all the cat and gas are a dispute between business entities. Businessmen want to have their own income-guaranteed clearing. This all resembles the situation of the 90s, bros, the roof, only in larger interstate interests. Our kind of people come from those dashing years and have trained quite well on domestic cats with tenders, connections and kickbacks. But they firmly believe that the West is different! The West will help us! For the sake of money, the West will not abandon them! And then such a throw through the hip! It is still unknown how events with the Ukrainian pipe will develop. What prevents to block this pipe, for example, by blowing up pumping stations and leaving the EU without gas from Russia? And then substitute a good Amer’s shoulder in the supply of Amer’s gas !? Or didn’t we even consider such scenarios? Our boys, of course, can now blame anyone. But in this situation, our bad boys sold to the bourgeoisie are to blame first of all! They were so eager to go there, and here is the break of the template! We are chestnuts for you, and you are depriving us of jam! And there probably were plans to distribute jam across the country. Probably a rapid GDP growth was expected with the start of gas pumping and the Russian emirates were planning to build. Now it turns out that the receipt of currency is sharply cut, and from what else can it be taken?
        1. your1970
          your1970 25 December 2019 13: 15
          +2
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          What prevents to block this pipe, for example, by blowing up pumping stations and leaving the EU without gas from Russia?

          A. A gas well in such volumes is very difficult to shut off, it may even be impossible. It’s not for you to close the faucet in the kitchen by the stove ...
          B. in the event of a short delivery of volumes, the penalties of half of Europe will roll out to us ....
          B. The budget of the Russian Federation for 62% consists of money received from customs. The main share is export duties on energy carriers ... Accordingly, if there are no duties, then there is no money for military / doctors / teachers / pensioners / roads and other.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 25 December 2019 15: 38
            0
            So I am about the same. Or do you think the Americans are so decent that they will not even encroach on the Ukrainian gas pipeline? In the sense of incapacitate him. Huge grandmas are at stake.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 25 December 2019 21: 45
              +1
              Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
              Or do you think the Americans are so decent that they will not even encroach on the Ukrainian gas pipeline? In the sense of incapacitate him.

              Alexander Rar: American elites are aggressively opposed to the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, so the possibility of provocation and sabotage cannot be ruled out.
              According to him, opponents of the Nord Stream-2 pipeline, which will connect Russia and Germany, can oppose the completion of the gas pipeline not only by legal, but also by physical methods.
      4. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 25 December 2019 12: 39
        +4
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Please explain your "logic" by making a statement ...
        Quote: Nkv3
        The position of German experts, by the way, is quite understandable.
        The hope is simply bursting to become a monopolist in the EU on gas distribution.

        Under what conditions could Germany even become a monopolist in the distribution of Gaza ??? And where did you (exclude Ukraine) lose Turkey? Where did Norwegian gas go? Algeria - look too lost? Well, PRG from the USA, WHERE ???

        Alexei, trust Putin's propaganda less. The affairs of Gazprom are already sad, and in the future they will get even worse. Who, in these conditions, came up with the "bright" idea to bury the money in half-empty gas pipelines, however, it is also not a question. This was answered a few years ago by a Sberbank analyst, who was immediately dismissed after that, that these projects are commercially unprofitable and only contractors will make money on them during construction. These are the main contractors: Gennady Timchenko's Volga Group, Arkady Rotenberg's Stroygazmontazh (SGM), Stroygazconsulting (since 2016, the shareholders are Gazprombank and Ilya Shcherbovich's United Capital Partners).
        As you can see, the same names are stably the same. Rotenbergs, in our country at least something is already being done without their participation?
        For LNG, read the El Murida blog, an article called Tactics and Strategy. The meaning of the article is as follows:
        The United States has a much stronger position in terms of increasing LNG exports - 5 times more than Russia. Therefore, Novak’s optimism, to put it mildly, is not supported. Although right now, the comparison looks very good.
        And read, you can easily find on the Internet about the fullness of the South Stream and the volume of gas supplies to Turkey last year and this year. This is a disaster, at least in the current state, and what will happen next is also not known. The entire volume can be pumped through the old Blue Stream.

        PS Citizens, at least for the minus, but rather with your minuses fill the South Stream, reduce the losses of Gazprom.
      5. Disorder
        Disorder 25 December 2019 17: 08
        +4
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Well, PRG from the USA, WHERE ???

        Yamal has not yet been shipped. lol
    2. Shock.
      Shock. 25 December 2019 11: 34
      +5
      They’ll build a stream, only the Germans decided that they were not ready to pay such a price for the monopoly and accordingly put all the responsibility on Moscow. They wished on someone else’s coffin, but right to heaven.
      1. Nkv3
        Nkv3 25 December 2019 12: 00
        -10
        That’s what I’m talking about.
        Only Russia will have to disentangle the brewed porridge.
        By the way, the current sudden force majeure can be sudden only for us.
        Putin probably knew everything before.
        Otherwise, I would not have signed another counterattack with Ukraine for a period of 5 years.
        By the way, how much time will it take for Russia to complete the project, according to one of our experts? 4 years?
        All converges.
        1. Shock.
          Shock. 25 December 2019 13: 59
          +1
          Well, I’ll risk assuming that for the GDP these sanctions and the reaction of Europeans to them were still not quite expected. Everything that is happening now looks like improvisation on the go.
          To the expert’s account. Could you point out this opinion. Unfortunately, I’m not familiar with anything like this.
    3. Horace the Philosopher
      Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 11: 43
      -28
      You're right! The Germans did not spend a cent on the joint venture, a gift from Gazprom! Germany has accumulated enough gas in the tanks, plus there are alternative supplies, so Russia cannot blackmail Europe with gas! That's why Gazprom caved in to Ukraine’s demands and is ready to pay compensation! Regarding the completion of the joint venture on its own, Gazprom does not need to be trusted! The only boat that the Russian Federation still needs to install and navigate the route, and this is unrealistic! Through the pipeline, we spent billions of dollars on contractors of Putin’s friends such as Rotenberg and others, they built branches that were not needed, intentionally lengthened routes, etc. In any case, they didn’t stay in the loser! But the people of the Russian Federation were robbed!
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 25 December 2019 11: 55
        +21
        Quote: Horace the Philosopher
        You're right! The Germans did not spend a cent on the joint venture, a gift from Gazprom!

        That's why it is so impudent to lie? Five European companies have invested in the construction of JV 2 - 4.75 billion €. And is it important to produce your own bulge? fool
        1. Horace the Philosopher
          Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 11: 56
          -28
          As far as I remember, the Germans did not invest in the joint venture!
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 25 December 2019 12: 09
            +20
            Quote: Horace the Philosopher
            As far as I remember, the Germans did not invest in the joint venture!

            You do not have:
            1. Memory ...
            2. Logic ...
            3. Honesty ..
            There are "excellent" ones - drafts and slogans! With brains and eyes - to look for Old, also PROBLEMS!
            1. Horace the Philosopher
              Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 12: 10
              -28
              Yes, I have nothing! You are the smartest! Goodbye
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 25 December 2019 12: 25
                +6
                Quote: Horace the Philosopher
                Yes, I have nothing no! You are the smartest! Goodbye

                And why climb out into the light with "nothing"? request
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 25 December 2019 21: 52
            +1
            Quote: Horace the Philosopher
            As far as I remember, the Germans did not invest in the joint venture!

            European energy companies from Austria, Germany, France, the UK and the Netherlands each invested almost a billion euros each.
            Capital investments in the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline amount to $ 11 billion (Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak)
        2. Edik
          Edik 25 December 2019 15: 44
          +2
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Five European companies have invested in the construction of JV 2 - 4.75 billion €.

          And Brita still invested in the gas pipeline! wink We have a lot of brilliant top managers on the site here, they know everything in advance! This stream cannot be blocked, it can only be slowed down. And everyone in the world understands this ..
        3. Liam
          Liam 25 December 2019 17: 30
          -4
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Quote: Horace the Philosopher
          You're right! The Germans did not spend a cent on the joint venture, a gift from Gazprom!

          That's why it is so impudent to lie? Five European companies have invested in the construction of JV 2 - 4.75 billion €. And is it important to produce your own bulge? fool

          "Investments" of European companies are CREDITS issued to Gazprom for the construction of the pipe. These loans are supposed to be repaid by Gazprom, as it were. He is the only shareholder of the pipe, and the money of the Europeans is borrowed. And their return is not connected with the fate of the pipe.
          By the way. 100% of the pipe’s shares were pledged by Gazprom to Europeans under these loans.
      2. Dimonk
        Dimonk 25 December 2019 12: 08
        +4
        The people are not robbed sad People continue to rob, and will rob am All these flows abroad, for dollars and euros. And 90% of Russia without gasification. Dollar flows are more important for the current government than the sobsvivan negative
        1. Horace the Philosopher
          Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 12: 13
          -15
          The people are stocking up with firewood! In the country, a cloud of cities and villages where there is no gas! But the Russian Federation is pulling a branch to Europe! Can you first bring your people to the 21st century?
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 12: 23
            +2
            I heard that you no longer have firewood in Ukraine and gasification in Russia is already in full swing
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              1. cniza
                cniza 25 December 2019 12: 38
                +4
                Fight under the bench propagandist loser ...
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              2. your1970
                your1970 25 December 2019 13: 26
                +1
                Striznevo
                According to the 2002 census, the population is 632 people (292 men, 340 women).
                1) Now obviously less.
                2) if you carry out gas at the expense of the budget, then in 5-10 years there will be people who will shout, "why did you gasify the hopeless village" ????
                We already had this - in 1998 the village was gasified, and last year the last resident died there. The entire head of the district was kicked all 2000, why did he run the road to the village at the expense of money ...
                And the inhabitants themselves will not pull; they won’t even overpowered the coal
              3. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 29
                -3
                gasification of small towns is going on, and the villages, of course, only on wood
                1. balunn
                  balunn 25 December 2019 15: 09
                  +3
                  the cost of introducing gas into a private house is about 150 thousand rubles ..... well, so for reference ...
                  and this despite the fact that the pipe runs almost over the site ... taking into account the fact that the salary in villages and small towns is about 20 thousand (rubles) per month, or even less, then calculate how much a family of 2 people needs to sit without money, to get a public treasure
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 15: 13
                    0
                    I completely agree that such an amount !!! only Gazprom has nothing to do with it, local authorities pay for gasification from the budget, there is no money and no gas
                    1. balunn
                      balunn 25 December 2019 15: 28
                      +1
                      And here you are mistaken. This money goes to the project, excavation, pipe laying, permission to insert, insert and controlled first start-up. All these operations are performed by different offices, one way or another affiliated with Gazprom (naturally, Gazprom itself has nothing to do with it). He only created such a scheme. She’s not responsible for anything, but the loot shears through a bunch of intermediaries. And this money is paid by the owner of the apartment building to get the public property !!!!!!
                      The same goes for electricity and water.
                      1. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 15: 41
                        -1
                        everything costs money, capitalism
                      2. balunn
                        balunn 25 December 2019 16: 40
                        -4

                        Go down from the moon. A piece of pipe + work is a maximum of 30 thousand .... you pay 150 ... and there is no alternative to do it yourself or find those who will make it cheaper
                      3. sabotage
                        sabotage 25 December 2019 18: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        everything costs money, capitalism

                        How much is your honor?
                      4. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 26 December 2019 08: 05
                        +2
                        expensive!!! highly
                  2. at84432384
                    at84432384 25 December 2019 16: 16
                    +2
                    This is you an optimist! Heavily dependent on the appetite of the local operator. I wanted to carry gas to the country (there is a gas pipe in the village), they requested 300. Mosk. Obl.
                    1. balunn
                      balunn 25 December 2019 16: 32
                      0
                      Well, we have it ... but the order is understandable ... that this is not the cost of a piece of pipe, but the amount of several tens of times higher than the population’s capabilities.
          2. JonnyT
            JonnyT 25 December 2019 12: 23
            +1
            Cities ???? Are you talking about which country ??? Thrally la, you are ours.
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      3. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 25 December 2019 14: 14
        +1
        The Germans did not spend a cent on the joint venture, a gift from Gazprom!
        Well, why write such a blatant lie, because after this sentence not a single sober person will read your works further
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 25 December 2019 12: 19
      -3
      Quote: Nkv3
      The position of German experts, by the way, is quite understandable.
      The SP-2 project has become toxic, and they are doing their best to distance themselves from it.

      Toxic steel usa . And the poison of this crazy everyone is naturally afraid.

      If your wallet takes away a stinking monkey theft, you don’t cling to it, right? But it’s not the wallet that suddenly became toxic, but it’s dangerous to take ..

      Did it get there? No.
    5. Vend
      Vend 25 December 2019 12: 44
      -3
      Everything may not be so obvious, as has been proved more than once. The United States is thinking two steps ahead, modern Russia by 10. We will soon find out how everything will turn out for us.
      1. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 25 December 2019 13: 12
        -3
        Who is it, and when did we think so farsightedly? At a half turn, I already think quite normal.
        1. Vend
          Vend 25 December 2019 14: 52
          -2
          Quote: Fraancol_2
          Who is it, and when did we think so farsightedly? At a half turn, I already think quite normal.

          Yes, you would like so much laughing Yes, at least BRICS.
      2. at84432384
        at84432384 25 December 2019 16: 23
        -1
        In modern Russia, they cannot plan the budget for a year (this year there is a trillion "extra"), but you mean 10 steps forward ... And what will this turn out for us? As always, Miller and his comrades will receive a New Year's gift billion, and from 2020 we will have new prices in payments.
        1. Vend
          Vend 25 December 2019 17: 50
          -1
          Quote: at84432384
          In modern Russia, they cannot plan the budget for a year (this year there is a trillion "extra"), but you mean 10 steps forward ... And what will this turn out for us? As always, Miller and his comrades will receive a New Year's gift billion, and from 2020 we will have new prices in payments.

          If Russia did not know how to plan a budget, it would be very similar to Ukraine laughing
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 27 December 2019 09: 10
            -2
            Quote: Wend
            would be very similar to Ukraine
            And she looks like her. The rhetoric of the leadership is different, the opportunities and budgets are different, but essentially the same problems.
            1. Vend
              Vend 27 December 2019 10: 12
              +2
              Quote: Greenwood
              Quote: Wend
              would be very similar to Ukraine
              And she looks like her. The rhetoric of the leadership is different, the opportunities and budgets are different, but essentially the same problems.

              Only in your sick fantasies laughing
              1. Edik
                Edik 27 December 2019 13: 19
                +1
                Quote: Wend
                Only in your sick fantasies

                All the same, in patients, here a doctor is needed yes
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 25 December 2019 14: 57
      +3
      Quote: Nkv3
      The SP-2 project has become toxic, and they are doing their best to distance themselves from it.
      By the way, do not overestimate the German interest in the flow. There are plenty of Gaza today.

      If SP-2 has become "toxic" it is only for Ukraine and the United States, since it reduces their ability to put pressure on Europe. Yes, Germany today gets enough gas, but the lion's share of it is of Russian origin. The fallen volumes of Russian gas are simply physically impossible to replace.
      Quote: Nkv3
      The hope is simply bursting to become a monopolist in the EU on gas distribution. Now these dreams are covered by a copper basin, today Germany will not succeed in becoming a gas hub in Europe. But the Germans will survive it.
      Let's just say that they are not covered with a copper basin, they are temporarily transferred according to the terms of putting the SP-2 into operation.
      Quote: Nkv3
      With the Turkish stream their troubles. I remind you: any gas pipeline must be certified by an international independent company. Now, after the imposition of sanctions (and the Turkish stream falls under them along with SP-2) certification will be problematic.
      Whose is that? Permits and certificates are issued before, not after. No one will dump babosy in the project, if upon completion of construction it can be killed only by the absence of a certificate. Cook pipes only so that nobody would dismantle them, because too big risks.
      Quote: Nkv3
      It was about the fact that Germany entered the SP-2 project only because the gas pipeline went on land precisely in Germany. Take the gasket diagram SP-2 and study it.
      It was SP-2 that, due to geographical conditions, made Germany a gas hub in the EU. And no other.

      As I understand it, the fact that the SP-1 is taking place there does not bother you. And who said that a gas hub is a fix idea for Germany? Germany is abandoning atomic energy in favor of gas, which is burned in significant volumes and will give out the fallen atomic megawatts to it. And yet, yes, some part of the gas will be redistributed into the common European gas system, bringing Germany its income.
    7. Victor N
      Victor N 25 December 2019 18: 57
      -1
      Germany is primarily interested in CHEAP Russian pipeline gas - this provides competitive advantages to the German economy.
    8. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 26 December 2019 17: 16
      0
      Quote: Nkv3
      But the Germans will survive it.

      And will the Germans survive poking their face in a known substance?
  2. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 25 December 2019 11: 27
    +10
    The only conclusion is that the country's top leadership needs to fight to the end defending the country's interests.
    1. Horace the Philosopher
      Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 11: 44
      -20
      There is only one conclusion! We must change the leadership!
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 12: 24
        -3
        change your potion and we love our president
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          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 34
            0
            Quote: Horace the Philosopher
            Dear blonde! Loving your botox does not stop anything love!

            Sorry, but Ukraine has a lot of its sites.
            1. Horace the Philosopher
              Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 12: 37
              -17
              I am not Ukrainian!
            2. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 25 December 2019 12: 40
              +4
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Horace the Philosopher
              Dear blonde! Loving your botox does not stop anything love!

              Sorry, but Ukraine has a lot of its sites.

              In Estonia too! laughing Hello - "Marine"! I’m watching for Russia today ...
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 55
                +6
                Quote: Hunter 2
                I’m watching for Russia today ...

                So I was born in Russia, grandfathers, great-grandfathers were all born there. Where are we without her?
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 25 December 2019 13: 07
                  +5
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  I’m watching for Russia today ...

                  So I was born in Russia, grandfathers, great-grandfathers were all born there. Where are we without her?

                  It is commendable! yes I threw a couple of lines in PM! wink
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 25 December 2019 13: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Hunter 2
                    It is commendable! I threw a couple of lines in PM!

                    I apologize to Sanych. He is a true Hero.
          2. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 32
            -7
            and we will love, love your potion and generally stop trolling !!! nothing will be banned soon
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 25 December 2019 12: 38
          +6
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          change your potion and we love our president

          Well, you do not sign for all.
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 25 December 2019 13: 01
          +9
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          change your potion and we love our president

          At one time, many naive (softly me) people also loved the founder of MMM Mavrodi, the result is known.
        4. Fraracol_2
          Fraracol_2 25 December 2019 13: 14
          -7
          Do not tell, girl.
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            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 39
              -7
              you still have a couple of hours and 5000 cons go to the ban
              1. Horace the Philosopher
                Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 13: 45
                -9
                Nothing wrong! There is no freedom of speech in the Russian Federation! even for like term give!
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 49
                  -3
                  nobody pays attention to you, bye, hi Kiev
                  1. Horace the Philosopher
                    Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 13: 50
                    -4
                    How will I get ready for a tourist in Kiev?
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 25 December 2019 11: 44
      -17
      They’d kill as soon as possible .. so that the country breathed a sigh of relief ..
      1. Horace the Philosopher
        Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 12: 49
        -5
        The West needs such a president! For 20 years, brought the country to the handle!
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 40
        -3
        how many of you came here, you don’t let normal people live, I want all the changes
        1. Horace the Philosopher
          Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 13: 46
          -8
          And who does not give you! Live! Only do not teach others and do not bother to live and everything will be ok!
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 52
            -2
            bye Bye)))
    3. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 25 December 2019 11: 51
      -9
      A country cannot have "interests". There are tasks that need to be set and solved. And interests are when money is drunk on the pipe.
    4. Mityay65
      Mityay65 25 December 2019 11: 55
      -1
      Well, do you think that Kozak successfully negotiated with Ukraine about transit? More and more details are coming up about the real results. In particular, about tariffs. All tariff agreements were classified, but hints appeared that the real tariff for Gazprom was 2 times higher than it was !!!!
      Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 12: 26
        -6
        of course successfully, the parties compromised
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 25 December 2019 13: 31
          +5
          of course successfully, the parties compromised
          Of course, we’ll feed the junta for another five years. Tricky plan. I understand.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 38
            -5
            where does it feed? we pay only for transit and its share decreases, there this penny is barely enough to maintain the pipe per year, they don’t have any fat
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 17
              +3
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              where does it feed? pay only for transit

              For 5 years, about $ 15 billion rushes laughing
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 15: 19
                -1
                and we sell gas for 100, 15 they will only need to repair the pipe and for bonuses to the authorities, any country needs to pay for transit
      2. dgonni
        dgonni 25 December 2019 12: 27
        -3
        So yes! Tariffs according to European rules as well as transit. An attempt to crank the crane in Stockholm will be decided by the moment in favor of Ukraine.
        1. Mityay65
          Mityay65 25 December 2019 12: 34
          0
          Transit and tariffs by European standards are lower than before in Ukraine. And where does Stockholm have to do with it? This is out of place.
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 25 December 2019 13: 25
            +2
            Tariffs depend on the volume of pumping. Standard European market practice. Stockholm means that in cases of attempted blackmail by a crane, the judicial process will not last for years because there is a concept of case law and a contract according to European standards.
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 15: 22
          -3
          nobody is going to fasten, they try to transfer transit through other gas pipelines
      3. Стена
        Стена 25 December 2019 12: 44
        0
        So Kozak said that 2.9 billion dollars. it's a drop in the ocean
        1. Mityay65
          Mityay65 25 December 2019 13: 29
          -4
          Quote: Wall
          Kozak said that 2.9 billion dollars. it's a drop in the ocean

          Well, what else can he say? Putin uses Kozak in situations when it is clear that he will have to make excuses. Arguably presented arguments that can not be ignored. I think this is the arrest of the assets of SP-2, shares in Switzerland.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 18
          +4
          Quote: Wall
          2.9 billion dollars it's a drop in the ocean


          Not a sick drop and in the ... sea
      4. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 25 December 2019 13: 35
        +1
        Quote: Mityai65
        More details pop up

        Quote: Mityai65
        www.kommersant.ru

        These two phrases, put side by side, somehow make me think about the classic "it does not sink" negative

        Moved to the drafts, buddy? wink
        1. Mityay65
          Mityay65 25 December 2019 13: 38
          0
          Again, my friend, I recommend that you consult a doctor wink
          I am sure they can help you there!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 25 December 2019 13: 51
            -2
            Quote: Mityai65
            I recommend you consult a doctor

            To the doctor - heal yourself yes
    5. Same lech
      Same lech 25 December 2019 11: 56
      +6
      the country's top leadership needs to fight to the end

      To the cemetery or something? ... The conclusion is not correct. smile
      But firstly, according to the article ... it blows from her gloom and despair ... it seems that Alexey Volodin received a psychological trauma from the villainy of the Americans. smile
      The Americans beat us stealthily .... I can say this is not the whole story with SP-2 ...
      the Americans are approaching a package of hellish sanctions and the reasons have already been invented for them ... so the real massacre is yet to come.
      I will ask Alexey a question ... the eternal question of mother Russia .... What should I do?
      May surrender to the enemy ... may tear his hair and crawl crawling to Washington and tearfully beg to ask the senators of the US Congress to have mercy on poor Russia ... forgive us gentleman ... we will all do what you demand.
      1. asv363
        asv363 25 December 2019 13: 05
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        .What to do? May surrender to the enemy ... may tear his hair and crawl crawling to Washington and tearfully beg to ask the senators of the US Congress to have mercy on poor Russia ... forgive us gentleman ... we will do whatever we require.

        Send butterflies to the farm to catch.
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 25 December 2019 13: 21
          0
          These American hot guys do not understand that you can always come up with force majeure. And then this Ukrainian transit cried with crocodile tears. wassat wink
          1. asv363
            asv363 25 December 2019 13: 29
            +3
            Below, at the very end I painted about Ukrainian transit. Without considering the possible regasification of our LNG.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 21
            +2
            Quote: bessmertniy
            And then this Ukrainian transit cried with crocodile tears.

            Ukrainian transit is very beneficial for the EU and it will lay with bones for its preservation. Fee of $ 5 billion annually for transit pays Ukraine not the EU, but the Russian Federation
            1. Edik
              Edik 25 December 2019 16: 05
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Ukrainian transit is very beneficial for the EU

              Announce how it is so beneficial to Europe?
              Quote: Silvestr
              Fee of $ 5 billion annually for transit pays Ukraine not the EU, but the Russian Federation

              I don’t understand you, what are you getting at?
            2. Edik
              Edik 25 December 2019 19: 17
              -1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Ukrainian transit is very beneficial for the EU and it will lay with bones for its preservation. Fee of $ 5 billion annually for transit pays Ukraine not the EU, but the Russian Federation

              Sylvester, do you at least sometimes think what you are writing? Or, as always? good That's what this person can talk about? And laughter and sin! And they put him pluses! What do people have in their head ... Oh, sylvester, you're lying again ...
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 25 December 2019 21: 00
                +1
                Quote: Edik
                Sylvester, do you at least sometimes think what you are writing? Or, as always?

                You see, Eddie, you're blowing bubbles:
                “The income of Ukraine from the transit of Russian gas through Ukrainian territory to the EU countries in 2017 amounted to about 3 billion»- the head of NJSC" Naftogaz of Ukraine "Andrey Kobolev.
                In 2019, the fuel transit tariff was equal to $ 2,61 for 1 thousand cubic meters m per 100 km.
                In the new agreement for 5 years: pumping 60 billion cubic meters. m price for 1 thousand cubic meters m per 100 km will be $ 3,21, while 90 billion cubic meters m - $ 2,56.
                The Minister of Energy and Environmental Protection of Ukraine Alexey Orzhel estimates the income of Kiev for 5 years of transit of Russian fuel in 15 billion.
                In 2020, 65 billion cubic meters will be pumped, and in subsequent years - 40,
                the total gas supply for this period will be 225 billion cubic meters.
                Federica Mogherini Maya Kosyanchich: that since 2014 the EU and European financial institutions have mobilized more 15 BILLION EURO in the form of grants and loans to support the reform process in Ukraine.
                Through the most complicated logical, mentally associative processes and a calculator, it can be assumed that Ukrian will receive its 15 billion dollars and the EU will not pay Ukraine this amount more, since Gazprom will pay these 15 billion.
                Because the:
                1. the pipe works for another 5 years
                2. pumping is maintained and the lower it is, the higher the price, pay attention to the numbers $ 2,61, $ 3,21, $ 2,56, 225 billion.

                Quote: Edik
                And laughter and sin!

                ... when a person is too lazy to just sit down and hit the clave
                Quote: Edik
                And he’s got pluses! What’s in people’s head ... Oh, sylvester, you're lying again ..

                I do not encourage rudeness, but I forgive you, because you think in templates and the analysis-synthesis process is not for you. hi
                So please do not bother - too lazy to spend time on you to clarify the obvious things laughing
                1. Edik
                  Edik 26 December 2019 03: 11
                  0
                  Well, it’s quite difficult with you recourse
                  Somehow you went around this statement and reduced everything to the income of Ukraine
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Ukrainian transit is very beneficial for the EU and it will lay with bones for its preservation.

                  And this
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Fee of $ 5 billion annually for transit pays Ukraine not the EU, but the Russian Federation

                  But no, there’s scraped somewhere! I thought for a long time?
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Federica Mogherini Maya Kosyanchich: that since 2014, the EU and European financial institutions have mobilized more than 15 billion euros in grants and loans to support the reform process in Ukraine.

                  In your opinion, it’s not profitable to hook up a competitor’s industry and ruin a competitor’s industry
                  Do you have sir who is the supplier of gas? Europe or Russia?
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Federica Mogherini Maya Kosyanchich: that since 2014, the EU and European financial institutions have mobilized more than 15 billion euros in grants and loans to support the reform process in Ukraine.

                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Through the most complicated logical, mentally associative processes and a calculator, it can be assumed that Ukrian will receive its 15 billion dollars and the EU will not pay Ukraine this amount more, since Gazprom will pay these 15 billion.

                  Yes, yes it’s difficult with you! You at least comprehended that you copy ships!
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  that since 2014, the EU and European financial institutions have mobilized more than 15 billion euros in grants and loans to support the reform process in Ukraine.

                  So who paid them since 2014: Gazprom or the European Union?
                  You do not carry nonsense and no one will not surprise you!
        2. balunn
          balunn 25 December 2019 15: 57
          -2
          No, this is not possible (s)
          But what about villas, bills? Where will the children study? Who will think about children wink
    6. Victor N
      Victor N 25 December 2019 19: 27
      +1
      Need to help!
  3. Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 25 December 2019 11: 27
    -12
    I wonder if socialism has its own non-lethal weapon? Are the "headline sharks" fancy again?
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 25 December 2019 11: 59
      +6
      Quote: Fraancol_2
      Interestingly, does socialism have its own non-lethal weapon?

      There is: there is no need to give the United States to repurchase our liquefied gas for delivery to the EU! Let them carry their shale from behind a puddle. And they were well settled: they sell our gas as their own, and ours are happy, if only they would. Wouldn't it be better to supply your gas directly to the EU?
      1. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 25 December 2019 13: 17
        -7
        There is an easier way to not sell it to anyone at all.
        1. Serega82
          Serega82 25 December 2019 14: 52
          0
          If you don’t sell gas, you might want to take it away ...
  4. Gunxnumx
    Gunxnumx 25 December 2019 11: 29
    +6
    As Merkel said: "We are ready for decisive negotiations with the United States." Reminded the German war reports on "straightening the front line"
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 23
      0
      Quote: Gun70
      As Merkel said: "We are ready for decisive negotiations with the United States."


      Nonsense! When the wiretap did not come up by the Americans, she said nothing, and now she will keep silent. Her health is not right
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 25 December 2019 21: 50
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Gun70
        As Merkel said: "We are ready for decisive negotiations with the United States."


        Nonsense! When the wiretap did not come up by the Americans, she said nothing, and now she will keep silent. Her health is not right

        But why? Previously, she went to the mattresses because she had the prospect of being re-elected once more to the post of chancellor, and the Americans could be very rude in this process, and today Angela essentially exhausted her political resource because Chancellor Merkel’s career ends and she won’t go to the next election. It’s as if there’s nothing to press the mattresses on. She passed the post of party chairman. So it's time for her to think about what to do in retirement. I don’t think that she will not like the chair on the board of directors watching over gas flows. There will be coffee to drink next to Gerhard Schroeder. So, Angela is also interested in completing the construction of the SP-2, and therefore she can very well afford to lure the Americans. hi
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 25 December 2019 22: 01
      -1
      Quote: Gun70
      As Merkel said: "We are ready for decisive negotiations with the United States."

      The fanning of anti-American sentiment in Europe in case of sanction against Nord Stream 2 can lead to a government crisis in Germany, up to and including the loss of office by Chancellor Angela Merkel.
      Another scenario - the head of the German government will protect the interests of his country, and then the deterioration of relations between Germany and the United States will be inevitable.
  5. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 25 December 2019 11: 31
    +4
    In the States, having analyzed the situation ...

    So the question is: do we have such analyzes of the situation and forecasts of its prevention and prevention? Or principles like "until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself"?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 December 2019 12: 07
      -3
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Do we have anyone engaged in similar analyzes of the situation and forecasts about its prevention and prevention?

      I am a direct person, and I will tell you honestly:
      - They would do, but:

      laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 24
        -3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        - They would do, but:
        And who will allow them.
  6. Theodore
    Theodore 25 December 2019 11: 32
    +1
    All that was before! Do not have your own pipe layer ...
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 25 December 2019 11: 37
      +6
      Quote: Theodore
      All that was before! Do not have your own pipe layer ...

      The story repeats, similar to the construction of an energy bridge in the Crimea yes
    2. Eug
      Eug 25 December 2019 11: 57
      +1
      And it’s the habit of managers not to raise technical issues penniless, paying attention only to financial ...
    3. your1970
      your1970 25 December 2019 13: 31
      +1
      Quote: Theodore
      All that was before! Do not have your own pipe layer ...

      There is he!!!! Do you propose to build a cloud, taking into account the laws of each country, which like Denmark will begin to coddle?
  7. DPN
    DPN 25 December 2019 11: 34
    +2
    From the beginning, they blamed on the old general secretaries, now the young rule. Maybe they didn’t study in those schools?
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 25 December 2019 11: 46
      -4
      We all studied in the same schools ..)) It is all the more surprising to watch what is happening ..
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 25 December 2019 12: 03
        -2
        Quote: Roman070280
        We all studied in the same schools ..)) It is all the more surprising to watch what is happening ..

        It's right. Only we got fives, and these threes, unable to learn other truths, except for the law of the chicken coop, were able to rise above us, combining their mediocre efforts ...
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 23
        -2
        Quote: Roman070280
        We all studied in the same schools ..)) It is all the more surprising to watch what is happening ..

        This is just not surprising. Remember at least MMM, how the people rushed into it, that would get money "for free", forgetting that he was taught "free cheese is only in a mousetrap." And even now, many will disagree with me.
  8. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 25 December 2019 11: 36
    +10
    It took so long to break into the global economy at an accelerated pace.
    Built in!
    Now it is rounded off in full!
    Alas, our enemies now, without firing a shot, having comfortably settled in their offices, remotely shit at our reluctance. ((
    It is not for nothing that they say that when doing the deed, calculate the next steps several steps ahead!
    We wanted to receive bonuses from this, but we get trindules! ((
  9. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 25 December 2019 11: 37
    +4
    Pipelayers used to have to think about! Found partners! Thrown, and more than once thrown! Gazprom was greedy China did not connect for a contract just in case. And from the Swiss, now it’s necessary to demand full compensation through the courts, although I’m not sure that Miller registered this moment.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 25 December 2019 12: 20
      +5
      They will announce force majeure.

      Given that this will be in the same Swiss courts, it would be as if Gazprom had not been soldered another 5-10 billion dollars fine for the threat of sanctions and reputation damage.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 40
      -1
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      And from the Swiss, now it’s necessary to demand full compensation through the courts, although I’m not sure that Miller has registered this moment.

      This is what dropping the West into the mouth leads to.
  10. prior
    prior 25 December 2019 11: 39
    -1
    "The United States has groped the weak point of modern Russia"

    The weak point of modern Russia is the Kremlin.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 18
      +3
      Quote: prior
      The weak point of modern Russia is the Kremlin.

      Capitalism.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 25 December 2019 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: prior
        The weak point of modern Russia is the Kremlin.

        Capitalism.

        At its core, capitalism is closer to human nature, only capitalists are different. Such as ours, who seized the national property and continue to steal further, or, as the head of the large construction corporation "St. John's" from the United States, who allocated 198 people for the New Year. 10 million dollars in bonuses. The size of the bonuses was from 50 thousand to 230 thousand, depending on the length of service. So the weak point is still the Kremlin and its greedy and thieving friends.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 December 2019 13: 11
          -4
          Quote: lis-ik
          At its core, capitalism is closer to human nature.

          Anyone else, but I am personally a "Stalinist".
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 25 December 2019 13: 23
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: lis-ik
            At its core, capitalism is closer to human nature.

            Anyone else, but I am personally a "Stalinist".

            I’m not talking about political views, but about the essence of a person as an owner by nature. I sincerely sympathize with the Stalinists.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 25 December 2019 13: 55
              +5
              Quote: lis-ik
              I’m not talking about political views, but about the essence of a person as an owner by nature.

              I agree with you here. Man is an owner by nature. As soon as you begin to speak critically about capitalism, the people immediately minus.
        2. your1970
          your1970 25 December 2019 13: 36
          +2
          Quote: lis-ik
          SwitchgearPNOI construction corporation "St. John's" from the USA, which for the New Year allocated 198 people 10 million dollars in bonuses.
          here is either the first truth or the second. Either the corporation is known to have more than 200 people, or it allocated a prize to engineers and managers
          Together does not converge
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 25 December 2019 13: 48
            0
            Dial on the Internet about this news, everything is written there and there is even a video, maybe not a corporation (I also thought about the head office), but there is still something to learn for our bribe takers.
            1. your1970
              your1970 25 December 2019 15: 38
              -2
              Quote: lis-ik
              (I also thought about the head office), but still there is something to learn from our bribe-takers
              - how to give out babos close to yourself persons ?????? !!!!!!! belay belay belay belay
              I’d better teach my cat how to eat sour cream ......... lol
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 25 December 2019 16: 10
                -1
                Maybe it’s not a corporation, but only 198 people. I don’t remember the text exactly.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 25 December 2019 22: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  employees total 198 people

                  Why then 10 extra lyamas, on a banal construction site? Don’t forget that there it is a very large figure ...
                2. your1970
                  your1970 25 December 2019 23: 00
                  0
                  Everything is much simpler there, I found, this is a real estate agency selling large real estate (warehouses, office and shopping centers). These are a little not builders, they are realtors who have about the same salary. The bonuses are certainly large, but not wildly large.
                  So there’s nothing interesting in Milan about the fight against bribery in this news; the usual dough sharing among realtors .....
                  I really thought he was real hard workers made happy .....
      2. yfast
        yfast 25 December 2019 13: 00
        -2
        Unlimited monarchy, not capitalism.
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 25 December 2019 13: 23
          0
          Quote: yfast
          Unlimited monarchy, not capitalism.

          Rather, oligarchic feudalism.
      3. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 25 December 2019 13: 24
        -3
        Where in the Russian Federation saw capitalism? At least close to normal?
      4. Doliva63
        Doliva63 25 December 2019 17: 39
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: prior
        The weak point of modern Russia is the Kremlin.

        Capitalism.

        good drinks
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 25 December 2019 13: 37
      0
      The weak point of modern Russia is the Kremlin.
      But unfortunately, many still do not understand this.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 25 December 2019 14: 26
        +2
        Quote: 72jora72
        The weak point of modern Russia is the Kremlin.
        But unfortunately, many still do not understand this.

        This is useless to give arguments, they like to live in shame and apparently like it when they openly put on them to please their personal interests, and not the interests of the country and the people. I like it when they openly wipe their feet about Russia, whether in sports, in economic activity, or in politics. They do not ask themselves why and who is to blame for this, they blindly believe "Novosti" and the loud talk shows of federal channels, they are unlikely to wake up and when the "successful" team dumps with the loot from here.
      2. O. Bender
        O. Bender 25 December 2019 16: 48
        -2
        Oligophrenic capitalism
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 25 December 2019 17: 41
          0
          Quote: O. Bender
          Oligophrenic capitalism

          Capitalism, it is capitalism, whatever you call it.
  11. LMN
    LMN 25 December 2019 11: 40
    +12
    They are extremely cautious in discussing problems with SP-2 and are trying to put everything as if the gas pipeline is a purely Russian project.

    The official authorities of Germany quite clearly formulated their attitude to these sanctions. It is quite possible to give a mirror answer. With each such next step of the United States, there is an increasing likelihood of retaliatory action.
    And what were they supposed to do, or would they declare war? request
    Politics does not tolerate fuss and sudden movements.
    These sanctions, in fact, hit the US itself. They are increasingly showing their essence in relation to the EU. The Russian Federation can only wait until the "client matures" (I mean the FRG and France).

    In addition, there were no goals right now to complete the construction. We and Germany have time.

    You can, of course, give out an “agreement” with the Kiev authorities on a further 5-year pumping, but this does not cancel the fact that the money doesn’t smell.

    And someone doubted that they would just leave Ukraine like that ?!
    In fact, 40 billion cubic meters is the minimum for the normal operation of the gas pipeline.
    Putin has long confirmed that Russia will maintain transit through Ukraine.
    What the journalists say there is their speculation.
    1. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 25 December 2019 11: 51
      -1
      With each such next step by the United States, there is an increasing likelihood of retaliation.


      Mnogohodovochka, cunning plan.
      Again all beat)
      1. LMN
        LMN 25 December 2019 12: 03
        +11
        Quote: 777-3-59-97
        With each such next step by the United States, there is an increasing likelihood of retaliation.


        Mnogohodovochka, cunning plan.
        Again all beat)


        The irony is not entirely clear.
        Germany is bound by numerous internal treaties, including military ones within the framework of NATO. They cannot be taken and ignored simply. If you are not Ukraine or the United States, of course.
        The United States is a large figure, and it’s not so easy to dump it. The time is needed. The Russian Federation is fit enough not to react hysterically and calmly to allow the United States to show itself.
        I think this is right. request
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 25 December 2019 11: 58
      -2
      Quote: LMN
      And someone doubted that they would just leave Ukraine like that ?!

      Extreme is a passing element! Serbia, Balkan consumers in general, and some other southern gay Europeans could have remained without gas there because of the "Bulgarian brothers" !!! Also Transnistria and Moldova! It is necessary for Gazprom to lose these CLIENTS ??? Everything hit the POINT, as a temporary solution to the problem ... and JV 2 will be completed, with a delay of half a year, maximum.
      1. LMN
        LMN 25 December 2019 12: 25
        +11
        Extreme is a passing element! Serbia, Balkan consumers in general, and some other southern gay Europeans could have remained without gas there because of the "Bulgarian brothers" !!! Also Transnistria and Moldova! It is necessary for Gazprom to lose these CLIENTS ???

        I commented on the part of the article where Ukraine is mentioned. And yes, I completely agree with you.
        If Gazprom, went on principle, would a crisis happen. Why does the Russian Federation need this? Everything in my opinion is pretty good. Russia behaved as an adult.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 25 December 2019 12: 49
          0
          Quote: LMN
          If Gazprom, went on principle, there would be a crisis.

          Left the "market with your product" your place will be quickly divided! And geyropa, this is already a conquered, tidbit and can only give up on it!
          1. LMN
            LMN 25 December 2019 12: 58
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: LMN
            If Gazprom, went on principle, there would be a crisis.

            Left the "market with your product" your place will be quickly divided! And geyropa, this is already a conquered, tidbit and can only give up on it!

            I’m sure that if SP-2 and the Bulgarian part of TP were ready, we would still sign a contract with Ukraine. If we shut off the valve, there would collapse. Not immediately, of course, they would eat up gas reserves and then empty. And the Russian Federation cannot allow this. Finish essentially. request
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 25 December 2019 14: 36
              -1
              Quote: LMN
              If we shut off the valve, there would have been a collapse.

              The jumpers will not appreciate it, because there is nothing, but the adequate ones are silent in a rag .... and God's people ??? Well, that must have fallen from the sky!
              By the way, if there is NO transit, they have part of the regions without gas left at all, the system is so built, and there IS SOMEONE to rebuild there!
              1. LMN
                LMN 25 December 2019 15: 11
                +3
                Quote: rocket757
                Quote: LMN
                If we shut off the valve, there would have been a collapse.

                The jumpers will not appreciate it, because there is nothing, but the adequate ones are silent in a rag .... and God's people ??? Well, that must have fallen from the sky!
                By the way, if there is NO transit, they have part of the regions without gas left at all, the system is so built, and there IS SOMEONE to rebuild there!

                In my opinion, for the second time, what the "jumpers" will think. This is important for us. For Russia. It is clear that they are given a chance. How will they use it, their problems. Do you want independence?
                After all, this situation is being watched from outside. To kill, physically or economically, the poor, the wounded and the weak, is not in the rules of Russia. We have once again proved that we are able to resolve "crises" without using force winked Otherwise, how will we differ from the USA. This is another plus in the piggy bank of the Russian Federation, in my opinion.
                The only participant in the conflict in the Middle East with whom ALL participants in the conflict want to have business, and these are as many as 6-7 countries + Kurds. This is authority and respect that has been earned for centuries!

                PS To me, what is happening with Ukraine reminds me of the Soviet cartoon "Holiday of Disobedience".
                There the essence is this. The children were not satisfied with the adults, believing that they were ready to live independently. And one morning all the adults left. In the morning there was a celebration, in the afternoon there were problems, and in the evening they began to cry and call adults. lol
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 25 December 2019 18: 20
                  -2
                  Quote: LMN
                  There the essence is. Children were not happy

                  There, the essence is such that everything RUSSIAN is squeezed out of Russian ... it was possible with many, and if nothing is done, this bodyaga itself will not end.
                  Therefore, crush the Kukuev power as we can .... and then all the sisters will have to hand out earrings!
                  ONE CHILD NO CHANNEL!
                  1. LMN
                    LMN 25 December 2019 18: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Quote: LMN
                    There the essence is. Children were not happy

                    There, the essence is such that everything RUSSIAN is squeezed out of Russian ... it was possible with many, and if nothing is done, this bodyaga itself will not end.
                    Therefore, crush the Kukuev power as we can .... and then all the sisters will have to hand out earrings!
                    ONE CHILD NO CHANNEL!

                    All right.
                    What do we do? winked
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 25 December 2019 18: 47
                      0
                      Everyone does what he can, and the state does what ..... it’s short, so as not to spread on the floor of the sheet.
                      1. LMN
                        LMN 25 December 2019 18: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Everyone does what he can, and the state does what ..... it’s short, so as not to spread on the floor of the sheet.

                        I agree! hi
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 28
              0
              Quote: LMN
              If we shut off the valve, there would have been a collapse.


              And Russia would pay. I don’t remember how much, but Gazprom paid a fine over the past valve shutoff
              1. LMN
                LMN 25 December 2019 15: 44
                +5
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: LMN
                If we shut off the valve, there would have been a collapse.


                And Russia would pay. I don’t remember how much, but Gazprom paid a fine over the past valve shutoff

                What are you all about money then? what
                You don’t care what will happen to Ukraine and how will they see us in the world?
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 58
                  0
                  Quote: LMN
                  You do not care what will happen to Ukraine

                  Good question, only who profiled her? And now we tear a vest? Judging by what has been happening on TV in recent years, the fate of Ukraine has already been determined.
                  How will they see us in the world? The son-in-law does not get out of business trips. I asked him a similar question, the answer of His partners is “afraid”
                  1. LMN
                    LMN 25 December 2019 16: 06
                    +6
                    Good question, only who profiled her? And now we tear a vest?

                    Hmm ... who's tearing a vest then ?! belay
                    The Russian Federation did not let them drown completely, no more. He sits and looks, and waits ... laughing We do nothing lol

                    The son-in-law does not get out of business trips. I asked him a similar question, the answer of His partners is “afraid”

                    Afraid of what? winked
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 25 December 2019 16: 14
                      +3
                      Quote: LMN
                      RF did not let them drown

                      Highly controversial statement
                      And they are afraid of us that we will start a war
                      1. LMN
                        LMN 25 December 2019 16: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: LMN
                        RF did not let them drown

                        Highly controversial statement
                        And they are afraid of us that we will start a war

                        I repeat. If Gazprom went on principle and did not sign a contract, collapse would happen in Ukraine!
                        If not, explain how they would have "survived".
                        And no need for money ... lol
                        "
                        As the Deputy Prime Minister noted, the compensation that Gazprom agreed to pay to Naftogaz is a drop in the ocean. "


                        They are not afraid of us, this is not true. I have been living in Germany for 10 years and have heard this only 3 times. Once from a political emigrant from Iran, who fiercely hated Russia, and claimed that the weapons of the Russian Federation and Russia itself are "garbage" (censorship). The same was said by a refugee from Chechnya, who for some reason was thinking of returning to Moscow, and not to Chechnya.
                        There were also three pensioners in the Canary Islands, who at breakfast discussed how evil Russia attacked Georgia. lol It was in 2008. It is clear that the victims of TV.
                        That's it! I have never once met any sort of aggressive opinions against Russia.
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 25 December 2019 18: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: LMN
                        If Gazprom would go on principle and not sign a contract

                        That would be bad not only for Ukraine, but also for us
                        The son-in-law speaks neither with emigrants, but with local business circles. Agree, these are different things.
                      3. LMN
                        LMN 25 December 2019 18: 36
                        +4
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: LMN
                        If Gazprom would go on principle and not sign a contract

                        That would be bad not only for Ukraine, but also for us
                        The son-in-law speaks neither with emigrants, but with local business circles. Agree, these are different things.

                        Local "business circles" have spoken out for a long time. Industry is against and for the lifting of sanctions against Russia.
                        They are not afraid of us, but they want to work with us)))
                      4. New Year day
                        New Year day 25 December 2019 18: 37
                        0
                        Looks like there are different opinions in business circles
                      5. LMN
                        LMN 25 December 2019 18: 42
                        +4
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Looks like there are different opinions in business circles

                        Judging by SP-2, there can be no two opinions yes
                      6. New Year day
                        New Year day 25 December 2019 18: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: LMN
                        Judging by SP-2

                        You are too categorical. Just this case does not mean anything. What specifically did the Germans, the Dutch and. Against the will of the USA? - Nothing. Bye words
                      7. LMN
                        LMN 25 December 2019 18: 50
                        +5
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: LMN
                        Judging by SP-2

                        You are too categorical. Just this case does not mean anything. What specifically did the Germans, the Dutch and. Against the will of the USA? - Nothing. Bye words

                        Less than a week has passed. Are you kidding me like that ?? laughing
                      8. New Year day
                        New Year day 25 December 2019 18: 52
                        +1
                        Wait and see. The Germans will not go against the States. You obviously think differently. Time will tell
                      9. rocket757
                        rocket757 25 December 2019 18: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: LMN
                        If Gazprom went on principle and did not sign a contract, collapse would happen in Ukraine!

                        What does the principle have to do with it, you have to get out on the go, and according to many, the worst option is chosen.
                        Quote: LMN
                        They are not afraid of us, this is not true.

                        A person is smart, looks, reads, analyzes, draws reasonable conclusions, conducts thoughtful conversations !!!
                        The layman, gathered in a crowd, doing something in a crowd, is not much different from what the SHEPHERD controls AS WANTED.
                        And beyond the hill, the layman is afraid of us, because they told him they are afraid ... though now there are other problems, worse, arise !!!
                        At my side are 5 families of returnees from Deutsch Vaterland ... over the past 3 years, another family came here, looked closely.
                        So, it’s not from joy that they come from here, here ...
                      10. LMN
                        LMN 25 December 2019 18: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Quote: LMN
                        If Gazprom went on principle and did not sign a contract, collapse would happen in Ukraine!

                        What does the principle have to do with it, you have to get out on the go, and according to many, the worst option is chosen.
                        Quote: LMN
                        They are not afraid of us, this is not true.

                        A person is smart, looks, reads, analyzes, draws reasonable conclusions, conducts thoughtful conversations !!!
                        The layman, gathered in a crowd, doing something in a crowd, is not much different from what the SHEPHERD controls AS WANTED.
                        And beyond the hill, the layman is afraid of us, because they told him they are afraid ... though now there are other problems, worse, arise !!!
                        At my side are 5 families of returnees from Deutsch Vaterland ... over the past 3 years, another family came here, looked closely.
                        So, it’s not from joy that they come from here, here ...

                        I apologize of course, but I didn’t answer you hi
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 25 December 2019 16: 16
            0
            But Gorbachev did it in due time!
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 December 2019 12: 01
      -3
      Quote: LMN
      Politics does not tolerate fuss and sudden movements.

      But he does not like the turtle pace in solving topical issues. Here wise people have already painted near Khokhloma a situation where Russia could foresee at least a rental of offshore pipe layers ...
      1. LMN
        LMN 25 December 2019 12: 42
        +6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: LMN
        Politics does not tolerate fuss and sudden movements.

        But he does not like the turtle pace in solving topical issues. Here wise people have already painted near Khokhloma a situation where Russia could foresee at least a rental of offshore pipe layers ...

        What would this rent give us ?? request
        A contract with Ukraine would be anyway!
        In any case, the Russian Federation would not behave like a pig and would not drown Ukraine to the end, even if SP-2 and the Bulgarian part of the Turkish stream were ready smile
        And without rent, the SP-2 will be completed.

        However, I agree that assuming about 5 years ago such large-scale projects could have been laid already by a Pioneering Spirit type stacker. He not only puts pipes, there is also installation and dismantling of drilling platforms. We, taking into account claims to the Arctic, will need such vessels. would be one.
        Preferably icebreaking))) These are my Wishlist course lol
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 25 December 2019 12: 46
        +5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Here wise people have already painted near Khokhloma a situation where Russia could foresee at least a rental of offshore pipe layers ...

        The striped ones will BEND anyone who falls into their sphere of influence, but ALL serious, effective guys fall ... there are no more pipelayers of the Swiss Allseas class! It's a very specific field of activity. Gazprom hired the BEST and they did EVERYTHING they could! With striped ones they CANNOT butt, and their national governments will not help them, because they have a lot of work, then, precisely in striped, for their firms.
        You can envision anything, especially when it all has already happened !!!
        1. prior
          prior 25 December 2019 12: 53
          -8
          "The striped ones will BELT anyone who falls within their sphere of influence .."
          General Karbyshev did not bend ........ and he did not have accounts, real estate, relatives in Germany and the USA!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 December 2019 12: 58
            +7
            Was that a thought? or such humor?
        2. LMN
          LMN 25 December 2019 13: 07
          +10
          By the way, yes.
          And was the point in the lease, if the sanctions still apply to owners of equipment involved in the project?
          Well, Allseas would withdraw its ships. Do not give? laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 December 2019 14: 49
            0
            Striped politicians cover up their selfish interests! The Kukuevskaya country is pushed so hard on us - a roto that it seems straightforward that it didn’t give up to them, they have no such plans to keep it!
            In short, this is very inconvenient for us, all the more so the green rooster has now fluffed its tail, the comb has reared and crowed all the way .... only, in fact, it has not moved away from the pan ... they will soon begin to pluck it.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 30
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          With striped they can not butt


          There is no reception against scrap, but there is no scrap
      3. Mityay65
        Mityay65 25 December 2019 12: 52
        -3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        wise people have already painted a situation near Khokhloma when Russia could foresee at least renting offshore pipe layers.

        Well, weird. Apparently no additional pipe layers are required. In general, the situation resembles a storm in a glass of water ... There is a question, but it is not critical. Everything is solvable. Panic can end, get out of boats and diverge in cabins fellow
        1. Fraracol_2
          Fraracol_2 25 December 2019 13: 29
          -4
          Of course pipelayers are not needed, and why then get out of the boats? We will lay pipes with them.
    4. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 25 December 2019 12: 52
      -5
      These sanctions actually hit the United States itself.
      Why are they hitting the USA? The US task is to create a gas shortage in the EU, and then propose its own.
      The Russian Federation can only wait until the "client matures" (I mean Germany and France).
      Well, yes, they will ripen! As in the 30s or as with the Mistrals?
      And someone doubted that they would just leave Ukraine like that ?!
      Not for that they took Ukraine to throw. Surely there was an economic interest. Like, or become an intermediary in the sale of Russian gas, or (and) even chop it off and sell your own. Probably they did not know about HPP with SP-2 yet. And if Russia also impose a war with Ukraine, then a war can bankrupt Russia. Probably curators set such goals. It turns out that Russia struck two blows. Russia missed them or will strike back?
      1. LMN
        LMN 25 December 2019 13: 29
        +9
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        These sanctions actually hit the United States itself.
        Why are they hitting the USA? The US task is to create a gas shortage in the EU, and then propose its own.
        The Russian Federation can only wait until the "client matures" (I mean Germany and France).
        Well, yes, they will ripen! As in the 30s or as with the Mistrals?
        And someone doubted that they would just leave Ukraine like that ?!
        Not for that they took Ukraine to throw. Surely there was an economic interest. Like, or become an intermediary in the sale of Russian gas, or (and) even chop it off and sell your own. Probably they did not know about HPP with SP-2 yet. And if Russia also impose a war with Ukraine, then a war can bankrupt Russia. Probably curators set such goals. It turns out that Russia struck two blows. Russia missed them or will strike back?

        As I understand it, this is a question for me. hi
        Why are they hitting the USA? The US task is to create a gas shortage in the EU, and then propose its own.

        Well, imagine that you live in a village. There is a centralized well from which residents receive water for a fee.
        But there is an activist who has drilled a well on the site and offers you water at 30% more expensive. In addition, you need to go to the water for him.
        One fine day, the equipment at the central well receives damage and the activist does not hide that he damaged it.
        Do you think residents will run to buy water for him or change their attitude towards him ?! winked
        This is exactly what I had in mind. It is mean and swine, in relation to its cohabitants (partners). smile

        And someone doubted that they would just leave Ukraine like that ?!

        I meant that the Russian Federation will not leave Ukraine laughing
        At least she won’t finish it.
  12. Cowbra
    Cowbra 25 December 2019 11: 41
    +2
    To begin with, sanctions are imposed on the SWISS company, and losers as long as there is such Germany)
    Guys, a question. Suppose Stalin does something, because of which the Naglia of France declares a trade war?
    Well, two countries substitute the other in the equation. And Stalin had nothing to do with it ... And so - well, nothing like that feel
  13. knn54
    knn54 25 December 2019 11: 47
    -1
    And was there even a weak attempt on the part of the powers that be of the Russian Federation to take at least WHAT retaliatory measures: For example, not to sell Yamal LNG to the Yankees. Really the responsible persons did not understand that something else will follow the actions of Denmark.
    Let's imagine that SP-2 will start working. And WHO will guarantee that the Americans will not let in "liquefied" gas from Yamal along the (German) branch. Fortunately, the station is not so difficult to build.
    1. LMN
      LMN 25 December 2019 11: 49
      +8
      And WHO will guarantee that the Americans will not let "liquefied" gas from Yamal along the (German) branch. Fortunately, the station is not so difficult to build.

      And what is the economic sense in this? lol
      Ukraine can also theoretically buy liquefied gas, and drive it through the pipe to Europe laughing
    2. Mityay65
      Mityay65 25 December 2019 15: 41
      -1
      Quote: knn54
      For example, do not sell Yamal LNG to the Yankees.

      So they achieve this - retaliatory sanctions against business. We cannot apply sanctions against the United States as a state, and against business we are not profitable.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 25 December 2019 11: 51
    +1
    The fact that the United States seems to have found a weak spot in modern Russia.

    And let's see how and when this NEXT problem will be solved.
    And then we will speculate that minke whales were found there, when they found, why they found.
  15. Eug
    Eug 25 December 2019 11: 51
    -2
    As for me, Russia's weakest point is the interests of its ruling class.
  16. kosovvskiy
    kosovvskiy 25 December 2019 11: 53
    -2
    "They are very cautious in discussing the problems with the SP-2 and are trying to present everything as if the gas pipeline is a purely Russian project."

    Well, what are they particularly worried about. All project financing from them goes under Russian state guarantees.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 25 December 2019 12: 21
      +3
      Extreme caution - understandable. The Americans said in plain text - your money will become ours. Property, accounts, transactions. They turned Europe into a second Iran, which took away 140 billion in the mid-70s, and now the experience is spreading to the whole world.
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 December 2019 11: 55
    -2
    The United States found a weak spot in modern Russia

    The Russian authorities, by their commitment to the liberal market system of the economy and lobbying for the interests of the minority, themselves created a situation in which the United States felt the selfish preferences of people who could influence Russian power.
    That's all. That is why no one could influence Stalin, and he influenced many.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 13: 55
      +3
      Stalin, just, refused to land in Hokkaido precisely under the pressure of Truman.
  18. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 25 December 2019 11: 58
    0
    But what if MANPADS are delivered to Afghanistan? And in Colombia - low-noise, compact diesel-electric submarines?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 17
      -7
      Quote: Arthur 85
      But what if MANPADS are delivered to Afghanistan?

      Or maybe it would be better to arrange the transit of "foolishness" from Afghanistan to Europe?
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 25 December 2019 12: 29
        0
        Or maybe it would be better to arrange the transit of "foolishness" from Afghanistan to Europe?

        Then stop this transit
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 25 December 2019 12: 21
      -4
      The Americans were going to dump from Afghanistan. Therefore, at least it is possible to deliver the Taliban to the Taliban. Now this is the problem of the region, not the United States.

      With low noise and compact mini boats - even for military customers it’s not possible to do it. Therefore, here by.
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 25 December 2019 12: 31
        0
        Okay, then the Mexicans have printing equipment for printing American passports, or what these non-Christians have in place of passports. Kim can give something that does not fall under the contract. Gus is good, for example. Or a navigation system.
      2. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 25 December 2019 13: 29
        -2
        Another option is to hit the most ... The most valuable thing they have. According to SWIFT. I vaguely imagine how it works, but I'm sure it can be disorganized for a couple of days. The blow will be such that these senators fly like a glove from a silencer. When banks, instead of overnight loans to each other, transfer money to Guinea Bissau ... This is naturally the Apocalypse.
  19. Loess
    Loess 25 December 2019 12: 05
    +1
    In the United States, after analyzing the situation, they came to the unequivocal conclusion that in the current conditions Russia cannot afford to stop transit through the territory of Ukraine.
    Who said that? In my opinion, it was more profitable for the states to prevent transit through Ukraine and interrupt the construction of the SP-2. This would cause a disruption in gas supplies to Europe, penalties for Gazprom, image loss of Russia's reputation and the possibility of crushing a part of the gas market. And in this scenario, the conclusion of a transit agreement with Ukraine, almost simultaneously with the halt of construction of the SP-2, looks completely different. Especially considering that neither Russia nor Ukraine had any desire to conclude such an agreement. In fact, a "draw".
  20. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 25 December 2019 12: 11
    0
    “You can say as much as you like that sanctions“ only raise the domestic economy along with the degree of patriotism of the population, ””

    What kind of patriotism, patriotism would be if the day after the sanctions, Gazprom would continue to finish building the flow. And so only the awareness of weakness and that we have nothing to be proud of.
  21. 3vs
    3vs 25 December 2019 12: 12
    +2
    Interestingly, Gazprom will Swiss Allseas to expose some forfeit for failure to realize the pipe laying?
  22. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 25 December 2019 12: 15
    +2
    The pipelayers left the laying area, as the United States announced the complete confiscation of the property of the "sanctioned" companies - confiscation of real estate, confiscation (not freezing!) Of bank accounts, confiscation of transactions through SWIFT. Such a threat of COMPLETE robbery of Western companies! And the Swiss will swallow it! One more bantustan in the world!
  23. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 December 2019 12: 15
    -2
    Russia itself entered the large “capitalist family”, and therefore it would be foolish to expect from the same Gazprom to uphold Russia's positions in terms of protecting geopolitical interests
    There is no doubt about this "Live with wolves, howl like wolves." Although western wolves have a bigger appetite.
  24. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 25 December 2019 12: 18
    +2
    You can ban me indefinitely, but the Americans did their part brilliantly

    In the States, having analyzed the situation,

    It is true, contrary to popular belief in VO, and in Russia, too, that the Americans are stupid, and the American president (insert the correct name) is a Morally Omitting Man, they really analyzed and coordinated their actions in space and time with filigree precision. But what our "out of this world" were thinking, I have a HUGE QUESTION.

    Gazprom needs money ...

    They calmly waited for Gazprom to pump a lot of money from its own and Russian budgets (which it had mercilessly battered in recent years) into the construction of Nord Stream-2, and then, with a stroke of the pen, beat the overclocked building on a concrete wall just before the finish.
    As a result, two birds with one stone were killed:
    1-The gas pipeline has been stopped, or at least detained for an indefinite period (despite the bravado of our officials, which is beginning to openly annoy).
    2-A huge amount of money literally went to the bottom. Let's be realistic: any unfinished system is in a vulnerable state and comes to gradual destruction, or requires even more money for its temporary maintenance in an unforeseen mode.
    All that I am witnessing now indicates that Gazprom has great risks of bankruptcy, and this is a geopolitical victory for the United States
  25. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 December 2019 12: 20
    -1
    Add to the article. Constantly criticizing Soviet power, the current rulers are stepping on the same rake.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 25 December 2019 13: 00
      +1
      They are doing much worse than in the USSR
  26. Escobar
    Escobar 25 December 2019 12: 23
    0
    You see, right now, at the top, we will draw any conclusions. If the States and the North Europeans wanted to, our country would be caught up to the full. Ban the import of high-precision machine tools, electronics, components for farm production and its equipment, mining equipment and many industries will stand up like this gas pipeline
  27. Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus 25 December 2019 12: 27
    0
    Under Joseph Vissarionovich, for some individuals this situation would have ended very sadly ... And what will Vladimir Vladimirovich do? He himself will rake taking the blame upon himself or will he still punish and make anyone work?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: Roman 57 rus
      He himself will rake taking the blame upon himself or will he still punish and make anyone work?

      Who cares? The decision is not his
  28. andrew42
    andrew42 25 December 2019 12: 30
    +3
    Non-lethal weapons are oligarchic capitalism in Russia itself. The result is demographics. "Subsistence minimum" - there too. And SP-2 is nothing more than toys of the "Russian" oligarchy, which has separated its assets from the global financial pyramid. As O. Bender said, "Kisa, we are strangers at this celebration of life."
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  29. Xenofont
    Xenofont 25 December 2019 12: 34
    -1
    Everything reminds one of Pearl Harbor's eve. Further it will only get worse and the blockade will intensify.
  30. cniza
    cniza 25 December 2019 12: 34
    +6
    Washington was able to stop the project with a point strike, which is strategic for Russia and Europe.


    Well, let's say not to stop, but to slow down - remember, "they count chickens in the fall."
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 25 December 2019 13: 15
      -6
      Quote: cniza
      do not stop, but slow down - remember "they count chickens in the fall."

      Of course. The senators' trick is more demonstrative than really creating a problem. And she does not find much support in the states, the Yankees are committed to free trade and business. And it hits their allies.
  31. ⁣Geo
    ⁣Geo 25 December 2019 12: 44
    -4
    The fact that the United States was able to create difficulties for the implementation of SP-2 is not surprising. The fact that Europe will not go seriously against the USA is not a surprise.
    It is surprising that such moments for our top-managers were a surprise.
  32. Kerensky
    Kerensky 25 December 2019 12: 48
    -2
    I understand that the Swiss Allseas received a certain letter with threats and they curled up. Our letters were sent to Switzerland? There, such money is tied up that Gazprom can simply kill the whole company’s management with their families. And the hands of American mercenaries.
  33. Guards turn
    Guards turn 25 December 2019 12: 50
    +3
    Drive there "Academician Chersky" he will finish building. In business, especially in the presence of such partners - opponents as the USA and their henchmen, there is always option B.
  34. asv363
    asv363 25 December 2019 12: 50
    +1
    If a couple of months on the air of the federal media discussed “the collapse of Ukrainian transit” (“at best, on the shoulder of the shoulder, we will sign a one-year contract for pumping 10 billion cubic meters”), now this rhetoric has changed.

    Dear Alexey! The public rhetoric of this kind on federal channels only "puts a bandwagon" on the authorities. For then it turns out that transit through Ukraine is necessary, even if both lines of SP2 had already been built. Two weeks ago, with the help of other participants, I calculated that in order to maintain gas transit to Europe through the pipeline system in 2018 volumes (202 billion cubic meters), transit through Ukraine should range from 30 (optimistic scenario) to 40 billion cubic meters. cub. (realistic scenario). In the end, PJSC Gazprom agreed on 40 from 2021.
  35. Roman070280
    Roman070280 25 December 2019 12: 57
    -3
    The payment by Gazprom of $ 2,9 billion of debt to Naftogaz as part of the decision of the Stockholm arbitration is "a drop in the ocean", said Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak in an interview with Russia-24 TV channel, TASS writes on Wednesday, December 25.

    “Neither Ukraine nor us can predict how much who won. It can be said unequivocally that the $ 2,9 billion that we will pay in pursuance of the court decision that has already entered into force is it's a drop in the ocean in comparison with those claims, potential risks that could be for Russia. These amounts would be much higher, "Kozak said.


    Beautifully justified .. for them it's a drop in the ocean ..
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 25 December 2019 13: 11
      -2
      And there is.
      Then read, as an educational program. Everything is written in a simple, understandable language for any cook.
      https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2814472.html
    2. Стена
      Стена 25 December 2019 13: 27
      -2
      But for operations for children they collect money by sms
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 13: 47
        +2
        In the richest country in the world - the USA, money for the treatment of the poor, imagine, is also collected through charitable foundations.
  36. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 25 December 2019 13: 09
    +2
    That’s all nonsense. Storm in a glass.
    There are more than one pipe layer on this planet. Some escaped, others will come running. And the States have once again shown their European allies what they really are for Europe's allies.
    That's the whole damn thing!

    And the author of the article wishes out for reality and contributes to this very storm in a glass, sometimes turning into bustling in the closet.
  37. Operator
    Operator 25 December 2019 13: 13
    -3
    Our response to non-lethal US weapons is the deployment of flying Peresvet, Sarmatov, Poseidon, Petrel and Zircon (with the latter aiming in the ground version at American military bases in Germany).
  38. DMB-2020
    DMB-2020 25 December 2019 13: 17
    -4
    It is not clear why, in making such a decision, America did not consult with Russia. After all, the question of what to do with the end of the pipe that sticks out of the water 125km from the coast remained unresolved. This poses a risk to shipping in that area. If the end of the pipe is displayed on a raft or pontoon - you need to do an anchorage for the raft, paint the raft in red. It is not a fact that the raft will normally anchor. If you heat that end of the pipe, it is possible that water from the sea will flood onto the shore at the other end of the pipe. America's irresponsible decision that creates a headache for all of humanity.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 15: 26
      +2
      are you crazy head to think? especially since in 2020 they will complete
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        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 26 December 2019 08: 01
          +3
          Trolls populated this site !!! already said, Miller, Medvedev that will be completed until the summer of 2020
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            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 26 December 2019 08: 50
              +3
              you and the Crimean bridge will not be built and a lot of other things and sp2 will not be built although it is 93% ready
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                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 26 December 2019 09: 35
                  +2
                  the bridge is already built
              2. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 26 December 2019 08: 58
                0
                Nastya, stop feeding the Troll! He even wrote Nick with an error ... there is a letter M, superfluous!
  39. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 December 2019 13: 27
    +2
    The Ministry of Education is punching lawyers at an accelerated pace, and in European courts, for some reason, Ukrainian win. Or are they specially selected in Gazprom? Analysts, strategists and lawyers of the company, led by its head, at least resign. A better trial!
  40. Air force
    Air force 25 December 2019 13: 56
    +1
    German experts do not have intelligible comments, because they do not have a big dissonance, they did not expect that the owner would "lower" his vassal in plain sight, regardless of his dignity. They are trying to make Russia the loser, although in this situation they lost the most (they are all of Europe). The fact that now there is a shout from all sides, that everything is lost, as always Russia has lost, etc. purely humanly infuriates. Only a few days have passed since the announcement of the sanctions, and they are already ordering a memorial service. Why bother? We have to wait until the turbidity in the water settles down to see the fish. The fact that Denmark was delaying with permission to lay SP2 for a reason, I think initially not only VO commentators but also in the Kremlin knew, that the United States would impose sanctions on SP2 was also quite predictable, they have been imposing sanctions for 5 years in a row, why should they not impose them against the strategic project of the Russian Federation and Europe. The fact that transit would continue through Ukraine was also clear, especially since Putin always spoke about it. Well, why should Russia give up another pipe? The more threads, the better, just SP2 is needed so that Ukraine cannot terrorize the Russian Federation and Europe, and ideally, the Turkish Stream and SP1 and SP2 and SP3 are also needed. Gas consumption in Europe is projected to grow. The fact that with the help of gas transit the Russian Federation supports the radicals in Ukraine's dubious conclusion, what do those who talk about it want? Stop the transit, present yourself as an unreliable partner and overgrow Ukraine in order to punish the radicals, and who said that the radicals would suffer from this? Yes, for the sake of such a scenario, their allowance, on the contrary, will be raised by their American curators, and Europe will be obliged not only to buy their own LNG, but also to increase aid to Ukraine. And not much later they will set fire to this region completely and send all the anger and the masses to Russia. PS In the whole situation in the long term, Russia will still be the winner. Whoever says it is a pity for the people, so Ukraine needs to block the transit so as not to support the radicals; they don't think much about the people, who want to quickly defeat everyone and find themselves in "kings" while playing chess, turn out to be fools.
  41. Sosnitsky
    Sosnitsky 25 December 2019 14: 05
    0
    What nonsense! Both world wars were conceived as artificial to achieve world goals. And here on the site private issues are discussed that financial bags were up to something at some point in her life. Everything has been thought out for a long time and is being implemented exactly in sequence very, very long time ago. And then it will be. Ask a German professor. She will tell you everything how they deceived the Germans and set them up, who and how did the Holocaust, and the Germans are still paying for it and an infinite amount of such things. Everything is led to a great bang, which will wipe everyone off the face of the earth in the name of worthless goals. And it will be right. Until people come out of self-slavery and rise spiritually and mentally strong and begin to own their rights. Sixes will disappear.
  42. 1536
    1536 25 December 2019 14: 11
    0
    There is only one conclusion: it is impossible to do serious business with the Germans and various other Swedes. Therefore, it is necessary to stop driving Russian minerals to Europe by initiative. Let them come and ask to sell gas, oil or something else. It is necessary to take from them 100% advance payment, to insure transactions, etc. This requires high-ranking specialists, lawyers, economists of extra class, and not "appointees" who have successfully obeyed or, according to some other anthropometric characteristics, are "good men" and "aunts". Yes, it will be hard, but you can understand this, rather than bowing to the ground in front of the brutalized and out of mind American old people and the assurances of carriers of different blizzards that "everything is fine, beautiful marquise." Capitalism does not forgive mistakes, and we have moral and ethical admonitions of hungry predators. It will not end well if the policy is not changed.
    1. Horace the Philosopher
      Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 14: 22
      -6
      Blackmail will not work! The Russian Federation is a raw material power, and if you stop driving minerals, then where will they get the currency? He will say that they decided in Russia to announce sanctions to the whole world! Europe will switch to the raw materials of Africa and Latin America. Plus, the countries of Central Asia such as Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and others will very strongly win. They will replace the Russian Federation in deliveries, and Russia will lose the entry of foreign exchange and lose the market!
      1. 1536
        1536 25 December 2019 14: 29
        +2
        What blackmail are you talking about? There is much in heaven and on earth that dreams of your philosophy.
        At least in Russia, every citizen will know what he and the whole nation are capable of. He wants to bow, in this case nothing will save him. And how do you think you can lose what you did not have? This is not a market, this is robbery in broad daylight. But the market needs to be organized, it is necessary to fight for it.
        1. Horace the Philosopher
          Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 14: 31
          -6
          This is blackmail! The current oligarchic elite is not capable of more! Blackmail to make concessions!
          1. 1536
            1536 25 December 2019 14: 32
            +1
            Teach, dear, materiel:
            Blackmail (fr. Chantage) - the threat of compromising or libelous disclosures with the aim of extorting someone else's property or various concessions.
            So far, only Russia is being blackmailed.
            1. Horace the Philosopher
              Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 14: 33
              -9
              Learn and you, dear: I wrote above:
              Horace the Philosopher (Horace the Philosopher) Today, 14:31

              0
              This is blackmail! The current oligarchic elite is not capable of more! Blackmail to make concessions!
              1. 1536
                1536 25 December 2019 14: 36
                +3
                I read this, and therefore answered you that the use of the term "blackmail" in this context is incorrect.
                As for the "oligarchic elite", if it has its head on its shoulders, and not in its pants, then sooner or later the sense of self-preservation will work. If I am mistaken, the country will not expect anything good.
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                  1. 1536
                    1536 25 December 2019 14: 45
                    +1
                    I understand that this winter in central Russia does not favor romanticism, but you don’t have to be such a pessimist, dear, if you live in Russia, of course.
                    1. Horace the Philosopher
                      Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 14: 56
                      -7
                      I try but somehow it does not work!
  43. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 December 2019 14: 51
    0
    But I still try again.
    The third conclusion: it is not in vain that the Red Army liberated Europe from Nazism, the Western financial bags hastily set about discussing the issue of dollar domination, so that to get the opportunity to subjugate entire countries by "non-lethal" methods.

    How I support your conclusion! good

    During the remaining time, you will be convinced more than once that the problems facing the country for years will not be resolved by this composition. For this is not within their competence. No one will listen to slaves in a manor house. And these contented "kids" who work off their daily allowance and believe in the endless "live happily ever after" will have to be upset, like their predecessors in 1917 ...
    Otherwise it doesn’t work. Good and fair? Sorry, not at these doors ...
  44. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 25 December 2019 14: 53
    +5
    No one in their right mind will sell the latest technology to the side. That is why the economic policy of our liberals of the 90s (they say, buy everything), and led us into a deep crisis. Foolishly after hearing such judgments, we broke everything up and sold out and stayed with the technologies of the 80s of the last century.
    1. 1536
      1536 25 December 2019 15: 06
      +1
      Americans only need this to sow pessimism in Russian society, and then take everyone warm.
      If we can make the most modern weapons, and this is true, then we can improve the situation in the economy as a whole. Now is not 1932 and modern Russia is not Soviet Russia, just emerging from the First World War and the Civil War. Listen less to the gentlemen of the so-called "communists", some of whom have become insolent to the point that after spending their entire adult life abroad on state support, they are now trying to impose on us a kind of "new socialism" with a human face. We swam, we know how it all ends. Fear the Danes who bring gifts - said the ancients.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 15: 24
      +1
      that's it!!! Gorbachev and Yeltsin are to blame !!! only some technologies even the USSR bought
  45. Eugene (Eugene)
    Eugene (Eugene) 25 December 2019 15: 44
    0
    Mistakes made in the spring of 2014, the refusal to take Novorossia under its wing - to rely on partners and then say that we believed the Americans and refused to help ...
    "And they basely deceived us." I'm talking about our enemies ("partners" of the anti-Russian "elite" uncles and aunts whose brood lives and rejoices over the "hill"). Then you can say at the conference that someone was taken by the throat and forced to fulfill the "Minsk agreements" - they did not want this - they were naive, "but not of their own free will, but at the will of Prince Miloslavsky." When Russians (Little Russians, Great Russians and worthy sons and daughters of other nationalities) are killed in Novorossiya; it is possible to promise the six "exceptional" gas at a discount - this is instead of what we could seize, for a start, - the South Russian gas pipeline and the scientific potential of Novorossia and put pro-Russian forces there. But this legacy (scientific potential) had to be "preserved" for the representatives of the new 4th Reich (those who worship the red dragon - Dan's tribe). And now you have to pay a fine of 3 conventional monetary units. This is just the beginning (or continuation). And then the heroes declare to the United States that they are ready to acquire new weapons from them to fight
    "Moscow aggressor". And you can sing a song: "I'm not a goof, not a goof at all, but there is a catch in the Minsk agreements." You can watch with a smile or irony how pop diva Oksana Marchenko - the wife of Viktor Medvedchuk, that Medvedchuk - who, like her, does not feel sickly in Kiev and does not whisper about Putin's godfather and godfather - Medvedev's wife, it turns out that they are " zradniku nenki ". And Bandera for some reason do not care about it. After all, according to their logic, it turns out that they are traitors to Ukraine - this is a super prize for them, and they have zero attention. And our people are being killed near Donetsk and the Baderlogs feel calm, because the Yankees are allowed to kill our compatriots.
    "Oh new year, Moscow - fireworks and drinks,
    And I lie in the trench all icy,
    Continuous shots, Katyusha beats again
    A German shell flew overhead. "
    (From a song performed by Michael Krug)
    And they will pull the nerve strings and shit on Russia more and more, because they see how those who consider them "partners" make concessions.
    And then let Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin not be surprised that his fate is similar to the fate of Gaddafi and Hussein. This is an option. But those to whom he distributes awards, such as Matvienko and other associates in Peter, - will they intercede for his outraged honor of "St. Petersburg's Gaddafi"? (there are honored heroes - soldiers of Russia and others, but this is not about them). Eh, we urgently need to solve the gas issue in the water area of ​​the Baltic basin, and then celebrate with Frau Merkel the beer that she brings (sends) personally to Vladimir Vladimirovich. At the same time, Frau did not forget how she personally supported the Maidan in Ukraine. And she, too, will intercede after the "trial of conscience" for "St. Petersburg Gaddafi"?
  46. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 December 2019 20: 35
    0
    The article completely ignored the role of the EU chemical industry.

    LNG cannot be used in the chemical industry, all necessary fractions are removed from it.

    Therefore, LNG, in principle, cannot completely replace natural gas for the chemical industry. Even if it is competitive in price. The share of chemistry in the industrial production of Europe is huge. hi
  47. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 December 2019 20: 37
    0
    There is one long-standing Russian evil associated with the unwillingness to get involved in projects with highly redistributed products - the inability to sell at high prices. I would even say - the inability to sell as such. The West is strong precisely because of the culture of commerce, which dates back several centuries - in other words, they do not even think that "business will not come true." Hence the money for innovation, and for further development, and for the seizure of new markets, and unfortunately hence the parasitism of financiers as a side effect.
  48. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 December 2019 20: 38
    0
    The purpose of this war is one - for the management of the world energy. Energy is one of the branches of geopolitical management. Not? laughing
  49. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 December 2019 20: 40
    -1
    Well, why no one wants to figure out a question? (((

    that everyone is attached to this LNG? What is the difference between LNG and PIPELINE GAS ????

    LNG is only methane, it is only energy - the market volume is from 40 to 60 billion dollars per year

    The pipe is a MIXTURE, methane, propane, ethane helium, etc. .... is EVERYTHING. gas chemistry, industry, energy. only by car industry - the market is 400 billion dollars a year !!!

    as for prices: ......... the fundamental rule "the cure for low prices is low prices" ....
  50. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 December 2019 20: 46
    -1
    Europe did not have any alternative to Russian gas and will not, and given the fact that Norwegian gas production will fall, as well as its share in the EU market - everything else is dancing with tambourines

    there were, I think, 2 alternatives - "to finish building in time" and then to press Ukraine with its transit in full. but by the end of November I think "intelligence reported" that the Swiss will crap and dump, without even waiting for the letter from the Ministry of Finance. for Gazprom, this does not change anything at all - by the end of the year, in any case, they will finish these several tens of kilometers in Denmark and launch

    in general, nothing critical happened at all - there was a hope that the Swiss would not merge so quickly and quickly (in the same place a month is given for execution, and the letter of the Ministry of Finance should be, and not a letter from some senators) - but no, it did not grow together, well, ok - half a year do not solve anything

    By the way, there is infa that ours in South Korea order an analogue of the Spirit pipe-laying machine, with an eye on the development of the Arctic, for there is now no confidence in contractors laughing