Lukashenko about relations between Kiev and Moscow: Ukraine, although small, but gave rise to a clash

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Lukashenko about relations between Kiev and Moscow: Ukraine, although small, but gave rise to a clash

The President of Belarus on the eve of a lot of time devoted to issues of contacts with Russia and problems of integration. Making it clear that a discussion of the topic of creating a truly united state is taking place (despite official statements that this is not so), Lukashenko said the possibility of a “very simple option”.

From a statement by the head of the Republic of Belarus to the editor-in-chief of the Ekho Moskvy radio station, Alexei Venediktov:



It (a simple version) will be perceived in both Russia and Belarus in terms of a single state: you are joining Belarus. And what, the Russians will be against? Not. Belarusians who are outraged here (talking about the opposition - approx. “VO”) - too. Listen: Russia is part of Belarus. Why not consider this option?

This statement was made by Alexander Lukashenko after numerous questions about whether Belarus is part of Russia.

In his interview, the Belarusian leader noted that no one in the Union State shares his sovereignty: neither Belarus, nor Russia.

Lukashenko:

Not only Russia provides some support to Belarus, but Belarus also provides a huge number of services to the Russian side.

In his interview, Lukashenko addressed the issue of the crisis in Ukraine. According to the President of Belarus, on the eve of the crisis in relations with Moscow in Ukraine, language and national issues began to unfold. Alexander Lukashenko noted that following this they overthrew Yanukovych and “the mess began”.

President of Belarus:

I do not justify Russia now. I do not blame Ukraine. But be that as it may, Ukraine is at least small, but gave rise to this clash.

After that, Lukashenko said that if Russia continues to talk about Belarus as a “parasite”, each time raising the topic of oil and gas supplies for the New Year, then “we will say: thank you, don’t! You can’t write everything in money. ”
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  1. +33
    25 December 2019 07: 30
    Lukashenko again through the pipe Friendship weaned the calico ...
    here is the artist ... I’ll take away both pipes if you don’t give the oil for free ... well, there’s nowhere else to go ... he’s not going to have any appetite ... give him something, give him ... and more and more for free ... the mustachioed mug does not burst from such desires.
    1. +9
      25 December 2019 07: 35
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      give him something, give him se ... and more and more for free ... the whiskered mug will not burst from such desires.

      Do not wait! She has the ability to stretch. Dimensionless. Yes, and we have full of our own.
    2. +25
      25 December 2019 07: 39
      Old Man is a fan of the interests of Belarus at the expense of Russia. And in such a calico there can be no single state. There must be a total benefit.
      1. +15
        25 December 2019 08: 20
        This is something new in international relations.
        You can simply translate it this way: you-RUSSIA support us and we (father) have decided now you-RUSSIA, are simply obliged to become some kind of region of Belarus. And then kaaaak offended ................
        1. +6
          25 December 2019 08: 35
          This is how one can imagine that Russia would become part of Belarus. It looked about the same as if the bear decided to climb into the fox hole.
          1. -6
            25 December 2019 08: 39
            Foxes do not climb bear holes at all
            1. +6
              25 December 2019 09: 14
              Quote: pru-pavel
              Foxes in bear holes don't climb at all

              You would have decided on preferences in the fauna.
              The bear does not climb fox holes, and the Fox sometimes looks into the bear’s den when he sleeps ...
              laughing
              1. +1
                25 December 2019 10: 02
                This is something new. Nikolay Drozdov should clarify this question.
        2. -8
          25 December 2019 11: 59
          Or maybe it should be read like this: "You pay low wages to citizens of Russia, my citizens need to pay more" ... I am sure that if in Russia the level of well-being of Russian citizens was much higher than that of Belarusians, the desire to unite the Belarusians would be much greater. I think both in our country and in Belarus they are well aware of this. But instead of raising the standard of living in our country, we are trying to lower the standard of living in them ...
          1. +1
            25 December 2019 13: 58
            And if you look at this question from the other side. What is the nominal (in terms of PPP) GDP per person in Belarus is one third less than in the Russian Federation (taking into account access to the Russian market and various kinds of subsidies). Roughly speaking, for 10 million people, this level of GDP needs to be increased by $ 30 billion per year (10% of the RF budget), to hell does the RF and its citizens need it, does anyone ask them about this? Economically, this union of the Russian Federation is not necessary in principle, from the word in general.
            1. 0
              25 December 2019 15: 00
              According to your considerations, since we have more GDP, then the income level of Russian citizens should be 3 times higher than in Belarus. Even I don’t notice this ... The question is not how much the country produces i.e. not in GDP, but in how the funds received from the sale of this product are distributed among citizens. For 5% of the super-rich people of our country, it is certainly unprofitable to have Belarus nearby, in which the distribution of income is much fairer than in Russia. Well, when combined, their citizens may demand a fair distribution of GDP revenues ...
              1. +1
                25 December 2019 15: 31
                then the income level of Russian citizens should be 3 times higher than in Belarus.

                i didn't say at three i said at third. And a third there is this difference in income. How do you plan to compensate for it for the Republic of Belarus - if at the expense of your pocket you compensate for $ 30 billion a year - then go ahead and with the song, it is available for your understanding? laughing
          2. -1
            25 December 2019 16: 19
            Please note just the same classic position of this ......
            The fact that in Belarus there is at least some standard of living at the expense of RUSSIA is taken for granted. Insolence is generally prohibitive and in that it also sets a price for which he and his like-minded people will agree to something.
            Sound familiar?
      2. +28
        25 December 2019 08: 21
        From a statement by the head of the Republic of Belarus to the editor-in-chief of the Ekho Moskvy radio station, Alexei Venediktov:.. "You are joining Belarus. And what, the Russians will be against?

        No, the Russians will not mind - we are only "for" with both hands. Take this, Old Man, this "Echo of Moscow" together with Venediktov. At least the air will become cleaner
        1. +3
          25 December 2019 12: 12
          The words quoted by the author and you were a joke.
          Watch the interview ... it will be interesting ....
        2. 0
          25 December 2019 13: 24
          Quote: Rich
          No, the Russians will not mind - we are only "for" with both hands. Take this, Old Man, this "Echo of Moscow" together with Venediktov.

          hi , Dmitry.
          "Ear of Moscow"? What is it to him? The LAS (a) has other preferences and strategic plans, and conversations about integration, a common currency and solemn gatherings in warm wards under a collection of national banners are for bargaining for preferences and free freebies from an innocent neighbor (like - first you drive me, and then I I'll ride you), and in which case ...:
          1. 0
            26 December 2019 08: 50
            after the words,
            "As for the West ... Yes, but if Russia ... well, suddenly, as some here here say, and here, too, it tries to violate our sovereignty, - well, you know how not only the world community will react ... They will already be drawn into war. The West and NATO will not tolerate this, because they will consider it a threat to them. In this sense, they will be right to some extent. "
            the phrase follows
            "And he asked the president a question: You do not admit that we will let tanks pass to Moscow if they pass from there? But I say that if someone wants to fight with Russia, well, we will not move aside."
            quote from an echo interview
      3. -19
        25 December 2019 08: 51
        If Putin defended the interests of Russia as the Old Man defends the interests of Belarus, then Russia would be a Great Power, and not as now, a raw materials appendage of the West, China and the feeding trough of the offshore aristocracy ...
        1. +3
          25 December 2019 12: 23
          Quote: Greg Miller
          If Putin defended the interests of Russia as the Old Man defends the interests of Belarus, then Russia would be a Great Power, and not as now, a raw materials appendage of the West, China and the feeding trough of the offshore aristocracy ...

          You are not quite right. Putin defends the interests of Russia. It’s just that he considers the interests of Russia through the prism of the interests of his friends, I will not list the names, they are already well known.
        2. 0
          25 December 2019 13: 39
          There is no one to defend interests like that. There are no other countries in the world ready to date the economy of another country as Russia dates the Byelorussian. Old Man could for a change, or to come to his senses, to defend interests in such a way, for example, in relations with Germany.
      4. +21
        25 December 2019 09: 02
        Old Man does not root for Belarus, but for his "figure" at the helm of Belarus. The local prince does not want to give up power. Again I remembered the ever-memorable EBN (the earth was glass wool). If not for his "Belovezhskie agreements" all this might not have happened.
      5. +7
        25 December 2019 11: 05
        Quote: bessmertniy
        There must be a total benefit.

        And it will be, but only for the peoples of Russia and Belarus. And what is the benefit of father? - no! He does not want to become the governor of the western federal district. Therefore, there will be no union. But father will find a thousand reasons for accusation against Russia, and on every such occasion he will declare that we do not need such an alliance.
    3. +12
      25 December 2019 09: 00
      "Echo Morskva" to give interviews? Yes, and "Shaggy" This is not the level of the PRESIDENT ??? Or bakes .. there .. strong ??
      It’s clear - the collective farm is voluntary .. wink
      1. +7
        25 December 2019 09: 10
        "Echo Morskva" to give interviews? Yes, and "Shaggy" This is not the level of the PRESIDENT


        Which president is such an interview

        Classics of the genre:
        - Bachiv?
        - Bachiv.
        - Well?
        - Shaw well? Yaka power - such a terrorist attack ...
      2. +1
        25 December 2019 09: 57
        Answer yourself, why is this echo still generally sponsored? Are not the Millers and Fri. want to ruin our relationship?
        1. dSK
          -1
          25 December 2019 13: 58
          Gazprom is only half "our wealth" ....
  2. -42
    25 December 2019 07: 30
    And it’s right to dare the Old Man! Bo it, if cho, it doesn’t matter how many divisions the Old Man has! The important thing is how many there will be when the Belarusian divisions approach Moscow!
    1. +11
      25 December 2019 07: 37
      First you will lead these divisions through the Belarusian swamps ... the hour is uneven, you will have to bail out again ... from there to be pulled where Lukashenko pushes you.
      1. -29
        25 December 2019 08: 26
        Pro, what are you doing? About some swamps? Carrying what and what? AND?
        In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev uncle? So what? No.
        1. +11
          25 December 2019 08: 28
          Here I am talking about too ... when finally the Belarusian divisions will approach Moscow. belay
          In Ukraine, some local journalists are already traveling around tanks on Kremlin Square ... and then Belarusian divisions appeared at the Kremlin walls ...
          mdaaaa what the world is becoming more miraculous and miraculous.
          1. +5
            25 December 2019 09: 17
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            .and then Belarusian divisions appeared at the Kremlin walls ...

            Well so otherwise Russia will not be part of Belarus. wink
        2. +3
          25 December 2019 12: 07
          Nazarov your dad did not work as a policeman by chance? Where do you want to lead the division ... You do not have the right to go on behalf of the Belarusians. Belarusians themselves rot for your words and ideas, your rotten ones for eggs will be hung up and left to hang in a swamp ...
    2. +9
      25 December 2019 08: 10
      And it’s right to dare the Old Man! Bo it, if cho, it doesn’t matter how many divisions the Old Man has! The important thing is how many there will be when the Belarusian divisions approach Moscow!


      It is important how many people will remain in them after receiving the first combat order! soldier
      1. -27
        25 December 2019 08: 39
        Oh how! Heh! That if the Soviet army of Belarus will be placed in conditions under which it would receive such an order, then the whole army of the Russian Federation will become part of it, than the Reds from Belarus will flee!
        Not everything is measured by money! There is still honor, conscience and pride! There are things among which philistinism has no place!
        1. +4
          25 December 2019 08: 45
          That if the Soviet army of Belarus will be placed under the conditions under which it will receive such an order

          He won’t get ... that we don’t know your Old Man ... a cunning bug ... for no reason he will not budge.
          1. -6
            25 December 2019 12: 32
            Will move! Do not worry! Still, how to move!
            If the likeness of Ukraine begins in Russia, then it will definitely move! Then the Old Man will have no other choice! Just go to Moscow and Kiev! soldier
        2. +4
          25 December 2019 08: 53
          Heh! That if the Soviet army of Belarus would be placed in conditions under which it would receive such an order,


          . Alexander Lukashenko has warned Russia about a possible war with NATO if it tries to violate the sovereignty of Belarus.


          Savytsky army of the Lithuanian Belarus? yah? wassat
        3. 0
          25 December 2019 09: 12
          What are you talking about, ? did not eat in the morning or what? or orderlies with sedatives did not reach?
    3. +5
      25 December 2019 08: 53
      Here you have a Hazarov bulb stuck in your head!
    4. +3
      25 December 2019 09: 14
      Hazarov (Konstantin) Today, 07:30
      -24
      And rightly Old Man Guttit! Bo it, if Cho, then it doesn't matter how many divisions Batka has! It is important how many of them there will be when the Belarusian divisions approach Moscow! "" "

      In the ground forces of Belarus brigade structure .. No divisions laughing
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_Ground_Forces
      1. -12
        25 December 2019 10: 25
        Clear. Those. You want to say that the Russian Armed Forces, in the person of its ordinary citizens, will defend the Trotsky-Stonemen Mensheviks, led by the great Zy, to defend the FSB liberals led by Zhirik, to defend the Vlasov-Putin gang of thieves and to defend the White Guard Natsik right-wingers?
        Ha! Do not rush my slippers! You are poorly taught in your Anglothan!
        1. +2
          25 December 2019 11: 35
          Hazarov (Konstantin) Today, 10:25 AM NEW
          -3
          Clear. Those. you mean sho sun .. "
          ... as the famous Yakubovich said in the famous game: "I played, but did not guess a single letter - spin the wheel further!"
          I’m translating into Russian - I’d go to the forest with my delirium and Trotskyism, do not forget to bring
          1. -6
            25 December 2019 12: 10
            Heh! That these are all whom you offer me to offer, they are not mine! They are yours! Hehe!
            And there is an example of this in the territory of the former USSR. These are events in Kyrgyzstan. There, the yellow PLA bandages quickly explained everything to everyone! And neither the army nor the police of Kyrgyzstan did anything, and even took their side!
            Here is such a squiggle!
            So go and learn lessons in your Anglothan! soldier
      2. -7
        25 December 2019 10: 44
        For the money people kill! But for the money no one will die! They die for ideas and a just cause, not for money! soldier
        1. 0
          25 December 2019 15: 26
          Nazarov, I read your other comments and I see that you are a good person, you seem to be happy for justice, for the Soviet government (and it was not so bad). Here are just a choice among the inhabitants of Belarus today not between the Soviet and bourgeois authorities. Unfortunately, you won’t save the Soviet power without Russia in Belarus ... The Belarusians have the choice now: to betray Russia and go to the West in the hope that someone will pay for this betrayal (this is what Ukraine did), or to remain in difficult a minute, and only then, together with the Russian people, to achieve a fair distribution of benefits within our common Motherland.
          1. -1
            25 December 2019 17: 37
            Why did Ukraine betray Russia?
          2. 0
            25 December 2019 17: 39
            Ukraine is being pulled west by Russia in one direction. May leave us all alone.
          3. 0
            25 December 2019 17: 45
            Sorry, but here is a military review site, not good or bad boys and girls!
            And, what I write is not related to this kind of children's fun! I open a strategic vision of the situation without cheap picking and dividing into good or bad! soldier
    5. +1
      25 December 2019 11: 15
      yeah, half a million Belarusians officially living in the Russian Federation, not counting hundreds of thousands of unofficials who escaped from the paradise of the Republic of Belarus, I think they will hang a mustached agronomist on the first aspen, along with the whole brood in the Smolensk region laughing
      1. -2
        25 December 2019 13: 59
        yeah, half a million Belarusians officially living in the Russian Federation, not counting hundreds of thousands of unofficials who escaped from the paradise of the Republic of Belarus, I think they will hang a mustached agronomist on the first aspen, along with the whole brood in the Smolensk region


        Something similar was told to us about Ukrainians .... request
      2. dSK
        +1
        25 December 2019 14: 07
        Lukashenko will finish badly ... If the Western "friends" survive the Belarusian "Maidan" - he and his retinue, like Yanukovych, will be taken to Russia by helicopters.
        1. -2
          25 December 2019 14: 56
          These are your friends, not Old Man! And if they will be happy with something, then it is more likely that their friend Putin is in Russia, and the Old Man will have to save your ragged asses! soldier
          1. dSK
            0
            25 December 2019 16: 10
            Yanukovych also "flirted" with them, and it ended sadly for him.
            1. 0
              25 December 2019 16: 23
              Sorry. You really do not see the difference between Ukraine and Belarus?
              1. dSK
                -1
                26 December 2019 02: 05
                The "social engineers" are fulfilling orders and the number of pro-Western youth is growing. Lukashenka shouldn't play with this, duplicity has always ended badly.
                1. 0
                  26 December 2019 07: 42
                  Social engineers? Do you know who this is and what they do? Do you know what the lag of their work is?
                  And why should their activities be synchronized with events? And what events? Why do you blurt out what you don’t have
                  clue? request
                  1. dSK
                    -1
                    26 December 2019 07: 52
                    Yes, we know - and who pays and what kind of music they order.
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  3. +19
    25 December 2019 07: 31
    “We will say: thank you, don’t! You can’t write everything in money. ”

    Well, don’t, so don’t. You won’t be forcibly sweet ... Build an LNG terminal on your sea coast, now it’s fashionable, and get ready to import freedom molecules. You are in your own right!
    1. +3
      25 December 2019 07: 54
      So is export in their right - Lithuania has long been waiting for ions, electrons, nuclides and, in general, all such a set. laughing
      1. +4
        25 December 2019 08: 00
        Quote: AlexVas44
        Lithuania has been waiting for a long time

        For it is said: "Wait and wait!"
  4. +13
    25 December 2019 07: 32
    Belarus is included as a province in the Russian Empire.
    How is this option?))
    1. +8
      25 December 2019 07: 35
      Historically True
    2. 0
      25 December 2019 08: 13
      you are joining Belarus
      With the capital in Minsk ...
      And the name already exists: Belorussia! drinks
    3. +1
      25 December 2019 09: 19
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Belarus is included as a province in the Russian Empire

      If the empire, then, as the Grand Duchy. laughing
      1. +2
        25 December 2019 09: 20
        Before the Great does not reach))
      2. 0
        25 December 2019 11: 11
        Quote: Piramidon
        If the empire, then, as the Grand Duchy

        No, thanks - the Empire was already advancing on the rake of the Grand Duchies. And twice.
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          2. 0
            25 December 2019 14: 15
            Quote: MRURRI
            Yes Yes. Only for some reason they kick the Empire and kick (then the boat without completing the work will leave the athletes without a flag)

            And this is a tradition. That Empire was generally somehow forced to revise the peace treaty concluded on the basis of the won war - and sign a new treaty, on much worse terms.
  5. +16
    25 December 2019 07: 35
    Slippery however laughing ... I "liked" vaasche: it means Russia Belarus a certain support, and that she has a huge number of services. Well haryok! And about Ukraine, too, like a snake.
    1. +1
      25 December 2019 09: 14
      girls on the highway also provide services
  6. +5
    25 December 2019 07: 36
    dad climax
  7. +18
    25 December 2019 07: 37
    "He was crying, then laughing,
    That bristled like a hedgehog -
    He mocked us ...
    Well, crazy - what can you take! "..
    Vladimir Vysotsky
  8. +11
    25 December 2019 07: 38
    Although Ukraine is small, it has given rise to this clash.

    little???? daddy cunning .... here small and does not smell ... just huge !!!!
  9. +3
    25 December 2019 07: 47
    Quote: Hazarov
    The important thing is how many there will be when the Belarusian divisions approach Moscow!

    What, apparently, a pleasant dream. soldier soldier soldier
  10. +12
    25 December 2019 07: 56
    If I’m not mistaken, Belarus has a negative trade balance with Russia of 7 billion. And this is only with Russia. Belarus will never be able to earn money for itself! Well, where does he rock the boat! How sweet power is! Even with a lot of money for power they will hold on to the last!
    Well, he said normally, in that interview! And he will pick up the pipes and become independent in general!
    1. -6
      25 December 2019 08: 24
      Quote: vitvit123
      Belarus will never be able to earn money for itself!

      Ukraine, with a sadder economic situation, is still afloat. I am of course the same with humor, I can assume that "it" does not sink, but the facts remain facts. And in Belarus, with all the eccentricity of Old Man, the economy is much better developed. And the debt of Russia is 7 billion. in reality, not such a huge amount. hi
      1. +5
        25 December 2019 08: 33
        The situation in Ukraine may be sad, it’s like someone. But the economies of these two territorial entities are completely different. The fact that Ukrainians are killing their own is from another opera. Does Belarus have a better economy? I do not agree here. It’s just that Luka turned out to be more cunning, and so far. Belarus seems to be 6 million people, and ukrov is under 60 ... what are you equal? .. in Ukraine, the economy was much stronger, they still can’t kill it completely. Once again - This is another opera, by the way the plot is one, here you are right!
        Well this time about 7 billion. I didn’t write, you (probably) still need to prove something. It is possible that Belarus is economically sound, but there is no way without Good Russia!
        1. -6
          25 December 2019 08: 40
          Quote: vitvit123
          Does Belarus have a better economy?

          Agriculture is much better and more efficient than ours. The industry, albeit a stretch, but it works, and this is without a resource base.
          1. 0
            25 December 2019 08: 42
            Far away they will leave for agricultural.? We are generally in first place in the world in grain export, so what? Nobody talks about this - Everything is bad!
          2. +5
            25 December 2019 08: 49
            Agriculture is much better and more efficient than ours.


            This is you, dear about the poor Belarusian collective farms, in which they do not pay salaries for months
            and cut off electricity to villagers "for non-payment"?

            Two orders, no three! bully
          3. +3
            25 December 2019 08: 56
            What kind of agriculture in Belarus ???? do you know how much it buys grain in Ukraine and in Russia, exemplary = indicative agro-towns, they are single and do not have a decisive role .. and factories working at a warehouse 4 days a week is an indicator of the success of the economy ??
            1. +3
              25 December 2019 12: 54
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              What agriculture in Belarus ???

              I will answer everyone right away - After the program for the development of the village and its revival came into force, the number of livestock and poultry in Belarus almost doubled from 2005 to 2018. Milk by 20%. We have problems in milk, and I know this not only from the schedules - the daughter is a veterinarian.
              For grain - yes, due to a crop failure last year, Belarus was forced to import more grain. But for all lovers to poke a finger at grain imports, I recommend taking an interest in exporting flour from Belarus. They really buy grain in Russia and Ukraine, after which they sell flour to Europe and Russia. wink We mainly sell grain.
              The industry is really "squeezed" due to the limited sales market, but at the same time 17% of all combines in the world, 6% of tractors and 30% of dump trucks are produced in Belarus. These are real numbers that we cannot boast of.
              Forest exports from Belarus occur mainly in the form of lumber, rather than round timber. We only export round timber, 565 of which goes to China. This is despite the fact. that we are in first place among exporters of wood. hi
              1. +2
                25 December 2019 13: 59
                Last season and the year before last, Belarus bought grain in Russia, both fodder and food products, as well as corn and barley. It is difficult to work with Belarus, they pay very poorly. Regarding flour, we produce and sell flour and we also sell it for export . What are the problems with milk? What antibiotics use? So they are used all over the world ... You look at statistics on the Voronezh and Lipetsk regions on the growth of milk production. Belarus sells flour and sugar to Russia only because there are these interstate agreements within the CIS and by our countries, we don’t need their sugar and flour, for the most part, there are so many that there are really problems with profitability for both beet and sugar producers
                1. +3
                  25 December 2019 14: 22
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  You will see statistics on the Voronezh and Lipetsk regions on the growth of milk production.

                  You will take an interest in what place for milk production in Belarus, and in which Russia. In addition, look at the statistics of growth in the import of palm oil, it is a direct competitor to milk fat. The structure of flour export to Belarus is the same in the public domain, and there are not only ties to us there. They buy the same barley from us, but then they sell us malt.
                  I don’t know how Belarusians pay, but I have not heard complaints about this before. request
                  Understand, I do not deny that the Old Man is sometimes weird, but his economy works more efficiently than ours. And this despite the fact that she is in a strangled state. Europe does not need an independent Belarus, just like Russia, however, the Old Man is spinning in a frying pan. But his friends are on a short leash. hi
                  1. 0
                    26 December 2019 16: 48
                    It will be effective at least 10 times, but it works thanks to Russia! And its effectiveness is your opinion. My colleague just returned from there, I somehow believe her better! And her conclusion: they are all poor there! Although we are not spoiled for work at DOSAAFE and salaries
              2. 0
                26 December 2019 16: 45
                When will I wait for their economic independence! Look at least with one eye! I don’t understand one current yet: what about such an effective economic Luka as a beggar, asking Putin for everything and asking for it?
                1. 0
                  26 December 2019 16: 48
                  Quote: vitvit123
                  When will I wait for their economic independence!

                  Probably earlier than Russia's economic independence. Our managers to the last will sit on the pipe, and tell tales of import substitution. laughing
                  1. 0
                    26 December 2019 16: 50
                    But essentially?
                  2. 0
                    26 December 2019 16: 51
                    I do not complain about our maneuvers. And life suits me! I’m not going to tell tales, unlike you.
                    1. 0
                      26 December 2019 16: 59
                      Quote: vitvit123
                      And life suits me!

                      I am the same, but the quality of life is not here. Fertility is declining, even migrants cannot rectify the situation, Rosstat is forced to admit the growth of the poor, the Ministry of Health acknowledges the decline in the quality of medical services, and you are talking about fairy tales. In the same Belarus, a small, but population growth.
                      1. 0
                        26 December 2019 17: 06
                        And I am satisfied with the quality of life! Yes, yes I'm talking about your tales. Once again I say this terr. Education exists only at the expense of us. All that you listed comes from this too. Because it’s groundless terr. Education draws resources from Russia. Once again, the question is: if they have such a super-tuned economy, why is Luka, as Madame of easy virtue, Putin constantly asking for any concessions? Well, everyone can see it! Do not agree? Or will you prove that this is not so?
                      2. 0
                        26 December 2019 17: 20
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Education exists only at the expense of us.

                        I already told you that not only. Including, but not only. The numbers will help you, they are in the public domain. You have a lot of emotions, but I'm trying to operate with numbers. And they are not always in our favor. The fact that Lukashenka is asking Putin for something, so you and I are not aware of all the ties at the top, and it is not for you and me to judge who asks whom and what. Moreover, according to information only from "our" media.
                        If you want to discuss further, let's have numbers and dates, otherwise I don’t see any reason to continue. hi
                      3. 0
                        26 December 2019 17: 31
                        Once again, all their figures are an injection of the Russian economy! Any figures what if they live off the Russian economy? And where do you get the numbers from Belstat? This is 100% true, already doubts! Putin does not go to Luka to bow, but Luka constantly begs! This is all seen in the rhetoric of Luke - he asks constantly. That you are operating with Belstat figures, here is one of the cases when it is clear that Belarus exists at the expense of energy resources from Russia, thanks to the Russian market and thanks to external borrowings that are constantly increasing! Refute in essence this, and not confusion in particular. Otherwise, I see no reason to prove to one who sees black, but to the last he proves that there is white. I am sure in essence of the existence of Lukanomics you will not say anything. And do not forget about the tax maneuver of the Russian Federation, otherwise Luka is stung from him.
                      4. 0
                        26 December 2019 17: 45
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Once again, all their figures are an injection of the Russian economy!

                        Not all, this time. Secondly, it would be nice to attach the figures of all kinds of Russian subsidies to these accusations, and compare them in percentage to purely Belarusian figures. Understand Vitaly, everything is learned in comparison. I do not deny that Russia's assistance is significant for the economy of Belarus, but your "Only at Russia's expense" is a little annoying.
                      5. 0
                        26 December 2019 18: 11
                        I, too, are a little annoyed by the rejection of the obvious, I stand it.
                        let’s answer your assumptions in this way, I ask you, but how much we say and I just can’t get you a monosyllabic answer:
                        1. Why is Luka constantly with Putin? not the other way around!
                        2. Can Belarus live without the energy resources of Russia,
                        3. Can Russia do without selling resources of Belarus at preferential prices?
                        4. whether Belarus can do without the Russian market,
                        5. can Russia do without the market of Belarus
                        6. can Belarus live without borrowing money in foreign markets,

                        Please answer in monosyllables without verbal insenuations.

                        I do not know how much Luke has on our resources, but I know for sure that Belarus uses only resources from Russia. why then the numbers? That she takes oil from the Saudis at a market price? or gas (liquefied) from Qatar on the market buys? Well, why do I need numbers if anyone knows the answers to these questions?

                        and I still can’t believe the numbers, well, I don’t believe the numbers. there are a lot of numbers and all are different, you can pull up anything and anywhere, therefore I don’t believe it, but I believe what I see myself.
                      6. 0
                        26 December 2019 18: 50
                        Monosyllabic will not work, but I will try. 1) Most likely because the heads of less powerful states go to visit the stronger ones. I won’t tell you exactly, just like you did.
                        2) Yes, but it will be hard. The third question is related to the second meaning, and the answer is the same.
                        4) Yes, but you have to completely lie under the West. Those. will put up with the position of the vassal.
                        5) Of course, as without the market of any country.
                        6) I do not know, but almost all countries often use external loans.
                        But you can’t believe the numbers, it is they who give real information at the end of the equation.
                      7. 0
                        26 December 2019 19: 24
                        Well, I did not expect specifics from you, I expected such puns (excuse me, I call it that).
                        now my vision of the situation:
                        1. Luka goes for preferences to Putin (preferences are life support),
                        2. Without energy, Belarus will die quickly and without suffering,
                        3. Ukraine fell to the west - an example without comment, and at least the economies do not flourish there, especially before Ukraine fell to the west. I mean, if Belarus lies to the west, and there’s nothing to take from the west of Belarus except Russophobia, but it’s not expensive, bend right away (I understand that you don’t like this expression, but that’s the basis of my thoughts),
                        4. No, no ... Belarus will live without a market in any country, but without a Russian market, it will die, it will only suffer for some time.
                        5. Almost everything, this is not all, I think you agree. And, for example, Russia. As the West benefited us, he gave us loans (with and before the drunkard), but we almost gave them back, i.e. not only didn’t take it (under Putin), but we gave a lot of money, i.e. Our indicators are better than Belarus.

                        and about the numbers. You are cunning with them. And cunning in the fact that all their figures are good only thanks to economic assistance from Russia. Those. there will be no economic support from Russia, indicators will instantly change. You understand that. That's what I'm talking about. Whatever economic miracle is there, it is all based on the help of the Russian Federation. You understand and know this, and still take them away to private numbers. But there wouldn’t be numbers if it weren’t for the Russian Federation, in one sphere or another, that’s why I’m too lazy to shove numbers (in this case, it could be different, but why here? If everything is in sight). Well, even Germany is dying for our gas, but what about the economy of Belarus, without a single mineral (on a tangible scale, or you might still find it in error).

                        meaning on the example of my family: I also have indicators in the family (the numbers are different) are very good. the current behind these figures is the money that the state gives me (in one way or another). Maybe the example is clumsy, but the main thing is the meaning .. therefore I do not want to bother my head with the small numbers that exist (numbers) thanks to the Russian economy.
                        something like that ..
                      8. 0
                        26 December 2019 19: 56
                        Well, here are the numbers. please look and read (just after you became curious) ....
                        https://www.belrynok.by/2019/03/21/rastushhee-otritsatelnoe-saldo-belarusi-v-torgovle-s-rossiej-vinovaty-ne-tolko-energonositeli/

                        Well, read that it doesn’t hurt the rainbow figures for Belarus ...
                        Well, these numbers, I just looked, you can give others, this is not the point ..
                      9. 0
                        26 December 2019 20: 04
                        Once again - I am not saying that the Belarusian economy does not depend on Russia, it depends, but not on the word at all.
                        For this part of your link, I felt .... ashamed and offended.
                        According to Russian customs statistics for 2018, a decrease in the supply of Belarusian cheeses and cottage cheese to the Russian market by $ 12,1 million completely replaced by similar products from Argentina (+13,8 million dollars), Serbia (+8,1 million dollars), Chile (+3,6 million dollars) and other countries. The increase in Russian imports in this position totaled $ 22,3 million. A decrease of $ 74,4 million in Belarusian butter exports was partially offset by supplies to the Russian Federation from Uruguay (+ $ 20,9 million).

                        With a decrease in the export of Belarusian tractors and truck tractors by $ 35,2 million supplies of this equipment from China increased (+15,9 million dollars), Poland (+17,8 million dollars) and other countries.
                        Not with our own substitute, but with the goods of others. more than foreign manufacturers. No.
                      10. 0
                        28 December 2019 08: 55
                        What you are ashamed of is not to be written here, it's about something else. But I’m not ashamed! What are their own? Ukrainians are also theirs ... we have a lot of ours when we need to strip money from Russia. And now the question is: that is, without this Belarusian miracle we can live in peace? More will be in the air!
                        And I prove that the Belarusian economy is completely dependent on Russia. And the Russian economy only feeds this parasite and parasites - 9,5 million.
                        Well, no need to leave the topic of numbers! And then you are ashamed, this is another question. What are the numbers? Something you do not refute the numbers?
                        Somehow you quickly switch to other morals. There are numbers you need to say either agree or not. Why bother? And then it starts YES, but not quite, but here it is NO but as if yes ...
                        But all my words are not from dislike for Belarus, but from a sense of justice. I do not like cunningly - wise insolents.
                      11. 0
                        28 December 2019 16: 21
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Well, no need to leave the topic of numbers! And then you are ashamed, this is another question. What are the numbers? Something you do not refute the numbers?

                        Which ones, Vitaly? In your link, not a word about the Belarusian economy in numbers, the figures refer only to an increase in the export of Russian goods to Belarus, and the ratio of export-import between countries. What do they show? Objectively, the economy can only be judged by the rate of growth / decline in production, moreover, in the graph by year.
                        Their pace of production is growing many times faster. than ours.
                      12. +1
                        29 December 2019 17: 22
                        Thanks to what can something grow there? Thanks to our resources, and
                        to our market. This is the main thing. It doesn’t matter what numbers they have there and what numbers someone writes somewhere. Belstat or someone else, all through subsidizing Russia, directly or indirectly. They always try not to touch on this, the independence people always do not like to remember about it. I am very glad that people in Russia began to understand that Lukonomika is bullshit, I see this on this site, and on my friends. You, of course, use your numbers to comment on the comment thread, but that's up to you. I don’t know why you need it, but most importantly, most people opened their eyes to Lukonomika and I am very happy about this.
                        I’ll tell you again, a friend of mine recently went with this girlfriend to this Belarus. I don't lie to you a bit, she is struck by the poverty of the country and people. This is despite the fact that we work in DOSAAF and are not spoiled by money. Well, I argue with you, here is a simple example. She, (not at all rich) says that people are poor there. And I always knew that.
                        Let's finish now, on this.
                        Happy New Year to you! Good luck !
                      13. 0
                        26 December 2019 17: 36
                        And what is theirs media true about ours? All the ties above .. you don’t need to drag the conspiracy strongly, there is one tie - give, give, give ...
                      14. 0
                        26 December 2019 17: 38
                        You do not answer one question. At once, either conspiracy was attracted or climbed into the little things, particularly everyday life, but I’m not trying to get interested in this and I’m not saying about it
                      15. 0
                        26 December 2019 17: 08
                        And you play words very slippery, distorting the main idea, but this is not entirely correct ..
                  3. 0
                    26 December 2019 16: 52
                    Why does Luke like ..... Putin begs? What an economy he has!
          4. +2
            25 December 2019 09: 58
            Agriculture is much better and more efficient than ours.
            Igor - do not hide from the truth tongue :

            Among the agricultural enterprises in the first half of the year, unprofitable and low-profitable (0-5%) prevailed. Belstat counted the first 38,5%, the second 33,3%. Only 14,4% of the reporting enterprises had a profitability of 10% or more, only 0,3% - of 30% or more. When calculating the net profit in agriculture, there are specifics. The authorities have two indicators - net profit taking into account state support and excluding state support. Net profit with state support increased by 40% to BYN 491,5 million. However, the share and number of unprofitable organizations with state support increased: from 9,8% to 11,7% and from 132 to 158 units. This is due to the reflection in 2018 of a part of losses of previous years. Due to the low base of last year in 2019, the overall result is still growing. A darker picture is revealed if financial investments in the form of state support are discarded. Then the proportion of unprofitable organizations increases from 61,2% to 63,3%, their number - from 828 to 857, and the amount of losses of unprofitable companies - by 11,7% to 331 million BYN. As of July 1, 2019, farmers owed creditors over 14 billion BYN. Overdue liabilities of this amount amounted to 3,284 billion BYN (23,4%). The total debts of farmers were equivalent to 248% of sales revenue. For comparison: as of July 1, 2018, liabilities amounted to 238% of revenue. There is an increase in debt burden. The accounts receivable of agriculture as of July 1, 2019 was equal to BYN 1,551 billion - 11% of the total liabilities of enterprises. This is one of the worst indicators in the Belarusian economy; they are not independently selected from such debts.


            Belarusian collective farm is a black hole hi
            1. 0
              25 December 2019 22: 01
              Too lazy to quote the entire article "What is happening at the largest industrial enterprises of Belarus?" In short. Industrial enterprises of the Minsk region produced 6.651 million tons of potash fertilizers. Compared to 2018, the physical volume decreased by 0.5% ... A decrease in the production of dump trucks has been observed for 9 months in a row, November was the worst month - during this period, 43,7% fewer dump trucks were produced than in 2018 ... For 9 months Gomselmash's profit from product sales fell .. Maz- compared to 2018, the production of trucks fell by 14,2%, buses by 4,4%, in November 2019 the production of trucks decreased by 24,9%, buses - by 22,7 %...etc. So the effective management of the economy is evident.
        2. +2
          25 December 2019 09: 26
          In Belarus, there are about 10 million people, and in Ukraine a little more than 40 million. Are you saying that Belarus’s population is almost half as low as that, and Ukraine is as high as one and a half.)
          1. +1
            25 December 2019 09: 33
            Well, almost .. it's still not in two, but the meaning of my mistake has not changed at all!
            Be sure to clarify this point. But I always knew for sure that the population (quantity) is much larger in Ukraine.
            Yes, I looked, I agree. But this is only to enhance my education. Remember is not difficult.
        3. +1
          25 December 2019 12: 26
          Learn geography (n / classes):
          -Belarus 9 million people
          -Ukraine less than 40 million people.
          1. -1
            26 December 2019 16: 40
            Why are you doing this? Why should I learn geography when I can find out in 5 seconds! If you do not know the population of any banana republic, you also need to learn geography? Or do you know everything in the world? Such comments are always surprising! Are you imagining yourself a know-it-all or something? Do you even understand how stupid it is?
            And just in case: do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go!
            1. -1
              26 December 2019 20: 43
              Learning is never too late ...
              And learn everything in five seconds. not right, the brains dry out ...
              1. 0
                28 December 2019 09: 00
                One more question.
                Do you know the population of all banana republics?
                Do you understand what you write nonsense? And if the dispute continues, then. you do not know everything in this world, I’ll surely prick you with your own words. ? And it turns out that you yourself need to study, but you do not study!
                1. 0
                  28 December 2019 09: 10
                  Boy, I don’t know much ...
                  For example, I still don’t know why ships don’t sink and how hedgehogs get together ... I understand, but I don’t know ....
                  1. 0
                    28 December 2019 09: 16
                    You will see a youngster (you can bring a lot of epithets) in the mirror, and even with an insignificant level .... in your place it was better to say that stupidity was smug and that's all. Your last comment on what? To insult me? I didn’t offend you ... there are enough of you smart (eccentric) people, I like you with your bacon ....
                    And don’t worry, this is just a game!
                    By the way, here alone, under the nickname North Extreme, also said that I was very young until we talked with him and as it turned out he was wrong. So if you use the word looser to rise at the expense of age, this is wrong and stupid again! But you can continue, amuse me a little!
              2. 0
                28 December 2019 09: 06
                And learn everything in five seconds. not right, the brains are drying up ... [/ quote]
                This is generally a masterpiece. This is generally - how? I opened the book, climbed into the browser and found out that the brains were dried up ... then your methods in exercises are interesting! Please, if not difficult.
                By the way, the word ALL, I did not use, you used it!
                Well, you are IT, HOW?
                1. 0
                  28 December 2019 09: 52
                  All-all-all ....
                  How is that ?, but it is so !!! knowledge needs to be accumulated and put off somewhere (in the brain) in order to use it at the right time. But I climbed into the browser, in order to flash the erudition, I thought I forgot !!!
                  The human brain must always work, otherwise everything is sad:
                  -2 * 2 = opened browser
                  -Ride to the author = opened the browser
                  when mom DR = opened the browser, and there ... sadness.
                  1. 0
                    28 December 2019 11: 12
                    All accumulate and put off what they need. If you still did not know then you too. Do you agree?
                    Someone from the smart said that if I do not know something, then this is because I do not need it! But you, of course, are smarter in this case! I am certainly impressed!
                    And once again I say that one who wants to learn, to comprehend something can take knowledge in the browser as well. Your children, maybe grandchildren, including. If you do not know, I’ll at least tell you about this.
                    With clever it doesn’t work all the same. But it's okay, maybe next time it will turn out we are all mistaken. Maybe you can catch me on something and it will be nice to you. So don’t despair and (all the same, advice to you) do not lose your FACE (although you’ve been amused by a young boy)!
                    1. 0
                      28 December 2019 11: 18
                      And Happy New Year to you !!! ...
                      1. 0
                        28 December 2019 11: 21
                        Mutually!
                        The system did not miss one word, it will have to flood.
      2. 0
        25 December 2019 08: 50
        And Belarus, with all the oddities of the Old Man, the economy is much better developed.


        There has long been no economy.
        There are zombie companies that do not pay anyone and are not going to pay
        and can only exist with continuous "support" from the state budget.
      3. -2
        25 December 2019 09: 16
        But what protein should Russia only? other loans and no debts?
        1. +1
          25 December 2019 13: 01
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          But what protein should Russia only?

          Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom are in the top five countries in terms of external debt, Russia owes nothing to anyone, except for this we write off debts ourselves, which the above countries do not. Compare the quality of life and the efficiency of the economies of all these countries. wink
          1. -1
            26 December 2019 11: 07
            when a person is not far away, the level of comments is the same ... you need to look with an eye to the future, and not to the present moment ... moreover, on debts that are not repayable from the scoop
            1. 0
              26 December 2019 16: 25
              Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
              when a person is not far away, the level of comments is the same ...

              I noticed this in your comments.
              Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
              especially on bad debts from the scoop

              Did Putin tell you that? laughing And didn’t you think that you don’t ask for debts to eat, and in 20-30 years the situation will change?
              1. -1
                2 January 2020 16: 05
                where does Putin? scoop and commies pleased with irrevocable loans for the sake of some ideals on which the natives immediately put, which then hung on the balance sheet and what now to fuss and wait for the poor from the huts to give them away? and you don’t have to lie, the United States and the Japs and the European Union also write off debts for the sake of preferences for their companies ... how do we differ from them? simple practice
    2. +3
      25 December 2019 08: 29
      Quote: vitvit123
      And he will pick up the pipes and become independent in general!

      Yeah, with such talk, either directly to Rostov or to The Hague. True, no one is waiting for him in Rostov, but in The Hague, the Western partners will accept the Old Man with pleasure.
    3. -1
      25 December 2019 10: 57
      Belarus has a negative trade balance with Russia of 7 billion
      Here the question is different, without energy purchases, RB + has a normal balance with the Russian Federation. I can be mistaken, but own consumption is about 6 million barrels (with own production of about 2), but at the same time, Belarus purchases 18-24 million barrels from Russia.

      The answer is simple - do not purchase, and there will be a surplus to you. With gas, as I understand it, the problem lies in the low energy efficiency of the Republic of Belarus, increase energy efficiency and will not require 20 billion cubic meters of gas.
      1. -1
        25 December 2019 15: 59
        Quote: Astoria
        own consumption of about 6 million barrels (with own production of about 2)

        What is your own prey? Where is it in Belarus, oil fields? And, I realized, in the same place as the Belarusian Sea.
      2. 0
        25 December 2019 22: 10
        Hello .. So refined, they resell oil for currency on which they have a considerable gesheft, and gas goes there too. Okay, soon we’ll still build a nuclear power plant, with electricity, you can play around.
      3. -1
        26 December 2019 16: 43
        Maybe they do not live then advise? If, yes, if only ... why write if, etc. without the Russian Federation, the people of Holodig!
  11. +4
    25 December 2019 07: 57
    Well, then do not! Return the money and the planes that you took from Russia and go want the code ... Russia does not make sense to feed the second Yanukovych
  12. +3
    25 December 2019 08: 01
    No. Belarusians who are outraged here (talking about the opposition - approx. “VO”) - too. Listen: Russia is part of Belarus. Why not consider this option?


    We are waiting for the Belarusian guard in the Kuril Islands ... laughing lol Yes
  13. +6
    25 December 2019 08: 03

    Not only Russia provides some support to Belarus, but Belarus also provides a huge number of services to the Russian side.


    For example? belay
    For points please, with detailed explanations.
  14. +3
    25 December 2019 08: 12
    Plan united state: you enter composition Belarus

    A single state is not an entry, but a union. A new one will be born. RUSSIA, EG, or something like that.
    You can’t write everything in money. ”
    Unprofitable?
  15. +7
    25 December 2019 08: 18
    Tired of this parasite with its policy and its stupid statements! What sovereignty does Belarus have !? What is it manifested in? Belarus does not recognize the Russian Crimea? Maybe Lukashenko can afford to buy liquefied gas from the United States instead of Russian? Maybe in Europe and in the West Belarusian products from Santa Bremora are in demand? What did the president of a parasitic state on Russia’s neck think of his place under the sun without Russia? Did you want to jump? Meet in the anus with the Ukrainians? The West will give you a torch there so it wouldn’t be so dark!
  16. +7
    25 December 2019 08: 21
    Gypsies need to learn how to extort money so gracefully.
    1. +5
      25 December 2019 09: 34
      Why should he study, he is the son of a gypsy and a Ukrainian woman, and the same ethnic Belarusian as Saakashvili is a Ukrainian. Old Man is a competent business executive, but far from sinless. In fact, being a representative of the corrupted elite of Belarus, he is “begging” with the same corrupt Russian government for some financial preferences for his clan, covering all this with patriotism and the interests of the people. Remember the absurd idea of ​​oil supplies from Venezuela. Maybe someone will remember about the landings and criminal cases in connection with the losses of the Republic of Belarus during the implementation of this absolutely illiterate project?
      The old man has been carrying an open blizzard lately. You haven't watched TV RB yet. There is a processing of the population before the elections, and all this verbiage is directed more towards domestic consumption. However, the stake on veiled nationalism is a very controversial and dangerous party. One "comrade" has already slammed the country in a similar game, where now it is the radicals who have real power. But Old Man is "Mr. Exceptional" (so apparently he thinks). RB is the Slavic world, and in the event of its separation from Russia, the Anglo-Saxons will do everything to eradicate this identity, which is now being tested in Ukraine. Or do Belarusians think that their industry and agriculture will compete with someone in the West? Look at the once industrialized Baltic region, there is nothing left. And Belarus cannot be sovereign by definition, because sovereignty is perhaps the only commodity. which she can sell profitably. Who? Here you have to think very hard.
      1. -1
        25 December 2019 10: 08
        That you have not watched television RB. The population is being processed before the elections, and all this verbiage is aimed more at domestic consumption


        Is this an interview with Venediktov?
        Original ..
        And then we have the Old Man - a single super leader, then only for Belarusians something is swinging there ...
        1. +1
          25 December 2019 11: 18
          Quote: Olezhek
          And then we have the Old Man - a single super leader, then only for Belarusians something is swinging there ...

          Let's just say - we know only a part of what Lukashenka says "for internal consumption."
          And he says a lot ...
          Independence was very cheap for us: all the peoples fought, today our fraternal Ukraine is fighting.
          © AHL, 26.01.2017
          We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its “centipedes” and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent!
          © AHL, 14.08.2015
  17. +7
    25 December 2019 08: 25
    A. Lukashenko .. old sly fox)) trolls all. man of moods.
  18. +7
    25 December 2019 08: 34
    From a statement by the head of the Republic of Belarus to the editor-in-chief of the Ekho Moskvy radio station Alexei Venediktov




    A strange person is Alexander Grigoryevich - he has access to the president of Russia, and he begins in a compassionate tone to discuss big politics with a certain Venediktov.
    What for? For what purpose does the president of Belarus need to meet with a certain Venediktov and cry for life?
    Who is Venediktov? What does he decide?
    Or do you need a "free vest" to cry at "bad Putin?"



    Where is the flag of Venediktov? belay
    Once such a booze went, I would come with mine. lol
    1. +1
      25 December 2019 11: 29
      Quote: Olezhek
      A strange person is Alexander Grigoryevich - he has access to the president of Russia, and he begins in a compassionate tone to discuss big politics with a certain Venediktov.
      What for? For what purpose does the president of Belarus need to meet with a certain Venediktov and cry for life?

      Because in the Kremlin Lukashenko has become familiar. smile
      Well, another year, well, two. And then what? Then your red curls become familiar, and they will simply start beating you.
      © Ilf and Petrov
      Actually, the problem for Lukashenka is that Russia suddenly began to demand specifics in allied and fraternal relations. Before, after all, how it was: how to take money - so a brotherly people, and how not to give or refuse reciprocal services - so a sovereign state, which cannot be put under pressure. But last year the usual scheme was broken: at first Dmitry Calculatorovich said that "sovereign state - sovereign prices", and then the rest pulled up ("tax maneuver is an internal affair of the Russian Federation, this is not your moneySo, the AHL urgently needs to create an image of a "fraternal state" that treats Russia with all its heart - and they impudently and cynically spit in this fraternal soul with some kind of mercantile demands to return debts and either finally join the Union, or pay for everything at prices for sovereign states.
    2. +1
      25 December 2019 12: 21
      Quote: Olezhek
      A strange person is Alexander Grigoryevich - he has access to the president of Russia, and he begins in a compassionate tone to discuss big politics with a certain Venediktov.

      You are a strange person, Olezhek: you wrote a series of articles about RB ... like an expert. But you don't understand the obvious things. Echo is just a playground.
      Quote: Olezhek
      What for? For what purpose does the president of Belarus need to meet with a certain Venediktov and cry for life?

      Good question. It is said that a well-asked question already contains half the answer. And here’s the answer:
      Quote: Olezhek
      Who is Venediktov?

      Well, very childish naivety:
      Quote: Olezhek
      Or do you need a "free vest" to cry at "bad Putin?"
      ... Why "cry" if there is open bargaining? Apparently in Sochi they pressed hard, we are waiting for the next rate hikes from the “other” side.
      1. -2
        25 December 2019 14: 27
        Who is Venediktov?


        Well, very childish naivety:


        Negotiations were ongoing with Putin ... failed
        Lukashenko invited Venediktov ...
        You can also invite Kuklachev ...


        laughing

        Once again - who is Venediktov?
        Now, if Lukashenko could not directly work with the Kremlin ...
        But he can
        And Venediktov’s opinion is not so important for the Russians and the Kremlin
        And therefore this maneuver is very strange ...
        1. +2
          25 December 2019 17: 35
          Quote: Olezhek
          Negotiations were ongoing with Putin ... failed

          Who didn’t succeed? Can you know what they really talked about?
          Quote: Olezhek
          Lukashenko invited Venediktov ...
          You can also invite Kuklachev ...

          You can also Kuklachev. Especially if he has the same audience. Venediktov will broadcast from his own platform specifically for the target audience. And this is far from "liberda" or the so-called. "piled up". De facto, this interview can be viewed as a statement to those in power in the West that nothing is clear with Russia and that bargaining can continue.
          Quote: Olezhek
          And Venediktov’s opinion is not so important for the Russians and the Kremlin

          This message does not suit the Russians. This is an interview for the "curators" of this whole Venediktov party.
          Quote: Olezhek
          And therefore this maneuver is very strange ...

          Oh Olezhek, as in your articles about Belarus, you see the facts, but you cannot compare anything. And for me it’s extremely logical. Especially if you recall the recent visit of Pole S. Karchevsky to Minsk, and compare with the results of the negotiations in Sochi.
  19. +4
    25 December 2019 09: 23
    From a statement by the head of the Republic of Belarus to the editor-in-chief of the Ekho Moskvy radio station, Alexei Venediktov:


    I didn’t have to give such an interview, the Old Man was mistaken.
  20. +2
    25 December 2019 09: 25
    But he only prescribes in money ...
  21. 0
    25 December 2019 09: 30
    President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko proposed a simple and convenient option for integration! And the question is, why can't the Russian Federation become part of Belarus? Opposition in Belarus (it is mainly Western). the people will have nothing to say. Russia joins Belarus! The people in Russia, for the most part, "For" the alliance with Belarus. I'm sure! The people around me are friends, all acquaintances for the union, no one objects.
    It seems to me that this is in Moscow, people in power oriented to the West are hindering the union. They just follow the instructions of the United States, Mrs. Clinton, who forbade us, the Russian Federation, to revive the USSR. If you want to know the details, go to the website and look at this topic of Mrs. Clinton's speech.
    And how not to obey Clinton, the children of many officials live and study in the USA, someone himself has real estate and a residence permit there. For more than 20 years there has been no real movement towards the union, just words, and therefore, Old Man is right.
    I wrote a letter on this issue to President Putin V.V., and things are still there. Several years have passed already! If we look to the future in order to develop and be stronger, we need a union! And Belarus and Russia! It is always better to live with friends!
  22. -4
    25 December 2019 09: 31
    To become a part of Belarus? And why is it okay "Batka" economic simple people in offense does not give Resources he does not have for the development of the country and so it will be For a single Slavic state a very good option By the name of the country "Slavs-Slavs will agree" I think with the oligarchs and thieves will quickly figure it out and we will help with what we can in this "dirty" work. All these dreams will not give (
    1. +1
      25 December 2019 10: 06
      To become a part of Belarus? And why is it okay "Batka" economic common people in offense does not give Resources they do not have for the development of the country and so it will be For a single Slavic state a very good option


      He does not have "resources", he does not have enough "thinking" for the development of the country
      1. -3
        25 December 2019 10: 13
        What to say about that, you need to try right? I've seen something else, having been in Belarus 2 years ago on vacation, count in the USSR only with the possibility of developing small business (almost a Chinese model) In any case, this is a "fix idea" for obvious reasons
        1. 0
          25 December 2019 12: 12
          Fortunately, the laws of sociology and the development of an ethnic group cannot be canceled by any forces.Thanks to titanic efforts by hook or by crook, these forces will delay the unification of the Slavs (for an insignificant time if you count from today) Then all of them with such labor and sacrifices, the created balance will collapse almost instantly. suppose the option of "leaving" the Slavs from the historical stage This is possible, but it should always be understood that the death of powerful ethnic groups does not happen "quiet" And our "ball" with such problems as "Yellowstone" and the like is too fragile Therefore, the unification of Russia and Belarus will take place Under what flag "Does this matter for our united but divided people?"
          1. -1
            25 December 2019 12: 16
            Fortunately, the laws of sociology and the development of an ethnos cannot be canceled by any forces. By titanic efforts, by hook or by crook, these forces will delay the unification of the Slavs.


            Especially Russians and Poles in a single, union state with the capital in the hero city of Minsk drinks
            1. +1
              25 December 2019 12: 21
              But this is already a more distant prospect. They themselves will come all thrown slandered and very few. And the capital should naturally be set up new so that no one would be offended
      2. +3
        25 December 2019 13: 05
        Quote: Olezhek
        he doesn’t have enough intelligence for the development of the country

        What is missing from us, and Olezhek?
  23. +4
    25 December 2019 09: 34
    Dear!
    From a statement by the head of the Republic of Belarus to the editor-in-chief of the Ekho Moskvy radio station Alexei Venediktov ...

    I got the impression that non-state media are trying by hook or crook to cause discord between Belarus and Russia. Each ruler in these countries has certain advantages and disadvantages, but this does not mean (do not understand me correctly) that Lukashenko is trying to "bend" the Russians in favor of his own citizens. Does he want personal gain by "bargaining" on prices and the provisions of the union state?
    If you examine the essence of the claims, then you need to look not at the Benedict or Brace, but at the bilateral meetings between Putin and Lukashenko. Show that it is there that Putin makes claims or Lukashenko becomes in a pose ... I have not seen this ...
    There are omissions, no one has canceled the claims, but to whom are the claims?
    Tell me, putting your hand on your heart, will something "break off" for you personally from a decrease or increase in prices for hydrocarbons or agricultural products? Why are you still hammering this Alexander Grigorievich? Why did he not please you personally? Or are you representatives of a neighboring country? I know only one here (100%), but he is not here yet ...
    Let us not become like those bad people who base their opinions on excerpts from "non-profitable" media and hope that in the near future that border dividing fraternal peoples will disappear.
    As for the Belarusian youth, who are looking to the West, then in Russia there are plenty of them. Fortunately, their cries are not the opinion of the peoples of our countries ...
    hi
    1. 0
      25 December 2019 10: 03
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I got the impression that the non-state media are trying, by hook or by crook, to bring discord between Belarus and Russia.

      And not only you got the impression. Here everything is right in plain sight, and who is the "editor-in-chief" of these media.
      1. +1
        25 December 2019 11: 10
        The wrong impression. It has long been clear to everyone who the union and rapprochement of the two countries to the format of one is most unprofitable!
        1. 0
          25 December 2019 14: 21
          Quote: vitvit123
          The wrong impression. It has long been clear to everyone who the union and rapprochement of the two countries to the format of one is most unprofitable!

          Of course, it’s harder to put pressure on a major power. This is clearly seen how, after the WWII and the collapse of 4 empires, a huge number of different small countries appeared. They are easier to manage.
    2. +2
      25 December 2019 11: 08
      The discord between the Russian Federation brings Luke himself! Luke the first is not interested in strong friendship, nor God forbid Belarus to decide on the composition of the Russian Federation! (this can’t be avoided, by the way, it can only be done in different ways). Who pulls his tongue? It doesn’t matter to whom he said, it is important that he said it! Putin never says anything in public for Belarus or Luka! Unlike Luke!
      No one ever loves freeloaders! That is why such an attitude on our part!
      And you do not use excerpts, look at all the interviews, what is the problem? Everything is very clear there! If you do not give resources, I will select the pipe, i.e. like hoh.ly - steal!
      The opinion of the people, etc. in this situation it doesn’t matter, speak for Luke! Why say white when everyone sees that it is black?
    3. +3
      25 December 2019 11: 31
      Does he want personal gain by "bargaining" over prices and the provisions of the union state?
      RB buys gas at 127 and resells to its enterprises at 250-300. Zina, where is the money? Or do you think Lukashenka does not have his own cooperative "Lake" - in the person of the same Shakutin and Sparrow who have been selling oil from Russia to the West for years under the guise of thinners. What kind of organization is this - the presidential sports club headed by Dmitry Lukashenko and which manages the sales of Belaz. Etc.

      First you blinded yourself the infallible image of Lukashenko, and then the reality turned out to be slightly different laughing laughing laughing
      1. 0
        25 December 2019 22: 25
        Well, except for one plus, you can no longer give .. Plus !!! hi
    4. -1
      25 December 2019 12: 15
      If you examine the essence of the claims, then you need to look not at the Benedict or Brace, but at the bilateral meetings between Putin and Lukashenko.


      Now imagine: Putin invited Venediktov, hung out the Russian flag and in a festive atmosphere would roll barrels to Lukashenko
      Oil painting ...
      1. +1
        25 December 2019 14: 19
        Quote: Olezhek
        Now imagine: Putin invited Venediktov, hung out the Russian flag and in a festive atmosphere would roll barrels to Lukashenko
        Oil painting ...

        No-no-no - not Venediktov, but someone from the Zmagar media. smile
        1. -2
          25 December 2019 14: 48
          and someone from the Zmagar media


          For example, Charter 97 laughing
          https://charter97.org/ru/news/
    5. -1
      25 December 2019 15: 06
      I got the impression that the non-state media are trying, by hook or by crook, to bring discord between Belarus and Russia. Each ruler in these countries has certain advantages and disadvantages,


      Komrad, I will answer simply and briefly - to me in parallel to rulers, rulers and other desalination plants
      I am Russian
      In the conflict in the Donbass, Belarus supported Ukrainians (and the West) against Russians
      And what do you want from me?
      Crazy love?
      What do you propose to discuss?
      And who is making confusion there and driving a wedge?
  24. +1
    25 December 2019 09: 53
    “It (a simple version) will be perceived both in Russia and in Belarus in terms of a single state: you are joining Belarus. And what, the Russians will be against it? No. Belarusians, who are indignant here (talking about the opposition, - note. ") - too. Listen: Russia is part of Belarus. Why don't you consider this option?"

    I'm not against. See if the tiny Belorussia bursts from Russia entering it.
    Political clowns without Lukashenko are enough. You need to think before blurs.

    "Not only Russia provides some support to Belarus, but Belarus also provides the Russian side with a huge number of services."

    A particularly useful service is the sale to almost the enemy of materials, raw materials purchased in Russia with certain benefits, and welding up loot on the resale of the Russian one.
    Selling banned Polish apples (just as an example) in Russia under the guise of their own.
    Threatening to strangle Russia with a pipe, what he said in Germany in 2017.
    It's just that we owe a lot to this collective farm chairman, in the presidency. (There was such a play "Bourgeois in the Nobility." Moliere. This is about him).
    1. +3
      25 December 2019 13: 22
      Quote: Victor March 47
      this is selling almost to the enemy materials, raw materials purchased in Russia with certain benefits, and welding the loot on the resale of the Russian.

      In 2018, trade between Russia and Ukraine amounted to $ 14, an increase of 983% ($ 951) compared to 329. wink
      1. -2
        25 December 2019 17: 11
        In 2018, trade between Russia and Ukraine amounted to $ 14, an increase of 983% ($ 951) compared to 329.


        1 Counting bad money is not good
        2 And the US is trading with Russia, and then what?
        1. +3
          25 December 2019 20: 10
          Quote: Olezhek
          1 Counting bad money is not good
          2 And the US is trading with Russia, and then what?

          Yes, you slow-thinking Olezhek. I replied to the man who hinted strongly that Belarus was selling raw materials to Ukraine.
          1. -2
            26 December 2019 10: 14
            Yes, you slow-thinking Olezhek. I replied to the man who hinted thickly that Belarus was selling raw materials to Ukraine


            And he sells weapons to kill Russians in the Donbass.
            Brotherly Belarusian people - he’s such a brotherly
            This is a hint, if that.
            thick.
  25. 0
    25 December 2019 09: 55
    Onion fly agaric gluttonized or grass stoned, what kind of crap is it lately?
    1. +1
      25 December 2019 10: 14
      And he never had an incredibly high intelligence.
      As he was a "villager" he remained so.
  26. 0
    25 December 2019 10: 00
    you are joining Belarus. And what, the Russians will be against? No. Belarusians who are outraged here (talking about the opposition - approx. “VO”) - too. Listen: Russia is part of Belarus. Why not consider this option?
    Man himself does not understand that the creation of a single state is a unification, and not the entry of one into the other, no matter who is there. Let him read the history of the creation of the USSR. (if the school did not study well).
    1. 0
      25 December 2019 14: 00
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Man himself does not understand that the creation of a single state is a unification, and not the entry of one into the other, no matter who is there.

      How do you imagine the union of an elephant and a hamster?
      1. 0
        25 December 2019 14: 14
        Quote: Winnie76
        How do you imagine the union of an elephant and a hamster?

        If so, then there are no options.
        1. 0
          25 December 2019 14: 20
          No creativity. But Lukashenko found an option. The elephant just goes into the hamster laughing laughing laughing
      2. +1
        25 December 2019 14: 25
        Quote: Winnie76
        How do you imagine the union of an elephant and a hamster?

        Timon and Pumbaa watched? wassat
  27. +1
    25 December 2019 10: 12
    Interesting interview, I advise you to fully familiarize yourself before commenting.
    1. +2
      25 December 2019 12: 34
      Quote: slavaseven
      Interesting interview, I advise you to fully familiarize yourself before commenting.

      There are no readers here, only writers. ,, ... I have not heard, but I condemn ... '' '
      1. +1
        25 December 2019 13: 27
        Quote: VeteranVSSSR
        There are no readers, but some writers.

        What was poured. then they chew. request Egorov alone is worth it; he has been picking Belarus for years. Probably something personal.
        1. +2
          25 December 2019 13: 58
          The ignorance of his ignorance ...
  28. +2
    25 December 2019 10: 23
    Here one autistic from television agreed that Peter I, it turns out, created the Russian Empire by agreeing with Ukraine about this, and the "comrade" motivated this case by the fact that documents confirming such a concept were found (!) In some archive. Of course, after all, according to the ideas of "free-thinking people", far from the prejudices of education, the archive is a big dump where everyone who wants to find something to find a loved one for themselves and to please their loved ones with "delicacies" from this very dump is digging. But autists have their own ideas about life, science and archival science as well. These guys are either very smart and decent people, or they tend to succumb to other people's influence, and then don't expect good. Well, at least not the other way around, that it was Ukraine that initiated the imperial unification of the swampy Moscow principality, which in addition moved to the swamps of Finland, along with the Novgorod wilderness, under the auspices of the enlightened Greco-Latin enlightened Kiev. And thanks for that.
    This is what I mean, and the fact that Belarusians can also think of something and are already coming up with something, but a real unification will happen when, finally, in the minds of people in Belarus and Russia, the understanding that it’s better to be together than separately . And Belarus, with its enterprising, educated and decent citizens, could well become a locomotive for all of Russia.
  29. +1
    25 December 2019 10: 24
    you are joining Belarus.
    I'm afraid that with this option Belarus will be "torn with happiness"
  30. +2
    25 December 2019 10: 28
    having such a friend and enemies is not necessary
  31. 0
    25 December 2019 12: 10
    To take Belarus away from father’s father, let’s let him head the collective farm better!
    1. +1
      25 December 2019 14: 01
      Select ... and share ... Otberun, when they will share, believe me, they will not remember ...
  32. -2
    25 December 2019 12: 32
    Like it or not, the potato Fuhrer replay the Kremlin in one wicket. Another question is what he will leave behind ... But it is unlikely that he cares.
  33. 0
    25 December 2019 12: 59
    After that, Lukashenko said that if Russia continues to talk about Belarus as a “parasite”, each time raising the topic of oil and gas supplies for the New Year, then “we will say: thank you, don’t! You can’t write everything in money. ”
    Thank you, of course, for thanks, but better at world prices and not for Russian loans, but at your own expense? And then an interesting alignment is obtained. Russia, for its not expensive pies, is also trying to send far away ...
  34. 0
    25 December 2019 13: 53
    Quote: Hazarov
    And it’s right to dare the Old Man! Bo it, if cho, it doesn’t matter how many divisions the Old Man has! The important thing is how many there will be when the Belarusian divisions approach Moscow!

    Old Man should not think about a blitzkrieg against Moscow, but about how, with his wagging backside, one would not end up in Rostov in the company of another wise friend.
  35. +2
    25 December 2019 17: 28
    Is Old Man getting kicked here again? There's gas on the outskirts at a discount and a "Christmas present" 3 lard .. And somehow they are modestly silent about it hehe
    Who benefits from pitting us with Belarus yet?
    Do not succumb to the men of this provocation of neoliberals and other Svidomo .. This subtle persecution already in "our media" for five years is going in waves, with periodicity ..
    How they want to turn the "Maidan in Minsk" so that the sale begins with discounts and yells against you and me in Russia!
    Hang on Brothers Belarusians, we all understand, I hope you too! hi
  36. +1
    25 December 2019 18: 14
    Quote: Zampolit-M
    Is Old Man getting kicked here again? There's gas on the outskirts at a discount and a "Christmas present" 3 lard .. And somehow they are modestly silent about it hehe
    Who benefits from pitting us with Belarus yet?
    Do not succumb to the men of this provocation of neoliberals and other Svidomo .. This subtle persecution already in "our media" for five years is going in waves, with periodicity ..
    How they want to turn the "Maidan in Minsk" so that the sale begins with discounts and yells against you and me in Russia!
    Hang on Brothers Belarusians, we all understand, I hope you too! hi

    Thanks for the words you need!
    It's a shame that many of you (Russians) want to put themselves next to God's chosen ones, but for some reason they forget that `` there are NO empty seats ''
    We do not need your Livshetsov, Abramovichs and all kinds of Millers with the Revzins ...
  37. 0
    25 December 2019 18: 18
    Quote: svp67
    you are joining Belarus.
    I'm afraid that with this option Belarus will be "torn with happiness"

    And we will be happy when we will be joyful for our neighbor and we will be proud and rejoice in such a neighborhood. And at this hour / day, we feel sorry for you and we are sad like our rasseysi not a brother ...
  38. 0
    26 December 2019 08: 10
    And here I am for the referendum. Fair .
    They are Russia, block us with oil, gas, El. Energy, market around the end of September, beginning of October. Close railway connection with the east and Asia. (Belarusians want to go to Europe).
    And somewhere in the end of January, beginning of February, we are holding a referendum. When on the street -5 ... 10, and in the apartment 5..10 degrees Celsius.
    Yes, tough, but they won’t understand otherwise.
    Not a single expert wrote, but what will happen if economic ties are broken.
    Comrades Belarusians are waiting for discussions.
    1. 0
      26 December 2019 08: 23
      Quote: demos1111
      And here I am for the referendum. Fair .

      honest referendum after ...
      Quote: demos1111
      Russia, block us with oil, gas, El. Energy, market around the end of September, beginning of October. Close railway connection with east and Asia

      then

      Quote: demos1111
      And somewhere in the end of January, beginning of February, we are holding a referendum. When on the street -5 ... 10, and in the apartment 5..10 degrees Celsius.
      Yes, tough, but they won’t understand otherwise.

      why they don’t understand, of course they will.
      They will understand that Russia is not on the way.
      Quote: demos1111
      Not a single expert wrote, but what will happen if economic ties are broken.

      Well, Russian experts and not only yelled - More sanctions !!!!!
      Something is now not heard these screams.
      The track is two-way and nobody knows where it will lead, so I wrote it correctly
      Quote: VeteranVSSSR
      And we will be happy when we will be joyful for a neighbor and we will be proud and rejoice in such a neighborhood

      They added to Ukraine, crushed and crushed.
      Now, and with Belarus do you want the same rake?
      1. -1
        26 December 2019 10: 18
        why they don’t understand, of course they will.
        They will understand that Russia is not on the way.

        Well, Russian experts and not only yelled - More sanctions !!!!!
        Something is not heard now


        It's simple - stop feeding Russophobia.
    2. -1
      26 December 2019 10: 17
      And somewhere in the end of January, beginning of February, we are holding a referendum. When on the street -5 ... 10, and in the apartment 5..10 degrees Celsius


      You are very seriously mistaken
      For them, the economy is separate
      Politics - Separately
      No need to drive anyone anywhere
      Just a border, visas, market prices.
      And the maximum respect for state sovereignty of the Republic of Belarus.