Scandalous contract for BTR-4E resumed in Ukraine

Ukrainian media reported that the state-owned company Ukroboronprom renewed the purchase contract for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine 45 BTR-4E. This is a contract with which a huge scandal was connected in Ukraine. Initially, 48 armored personnel carriers were prescribed in the contract.

As earlier in news reports reported "Voennoye Obozreniye", State Enterprise "Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering" purchased steel for the creation of armored vehicles that did not correspond to a number of parameters. As a result, it turned out that instead of Ukrainian-made steel for the creation of the BTR-4E, foreign steel was purchased according to a very intricate scheme. In the course of the proceedings, it was established that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish company - "gasket".

After some time, it turned out that the subcontractor represented by the Lozovsky factory failed the order, having produced, instead of 48 armored personnel carriers, less than half - 20 units.

Now, as reported, the implementation of the contract in Ukraine has been resumed. It is alleged that the military acceptance has signed acts on the transfer of 12 BTR-4E APUs. These machines were sent to the 92nd ombu APU. The message stated that “it remains to transfer” 33 armored personnel carriers. These armored vehicles, according to reports, will go to the Ukrainian army until the fall of 2020.

Ukrainian reporters write that resuming the implementation of the contract “will support Kharkiv production.” The fact is that at a Kharkov enterprise (named after Morozov) for several months no salary was paid, the equipment was idle due to the fact that the service provider turned off the electricity: the workshops, according to the workers themselves, were more like “cold rooms”.

Comments

[skomfit]

I don’t understand something. This child prodigy can only shoot forward and upward, since there are anti-cumulative screens on the sides?

[Eug]

There were issues with buildup when shooting at large angles to the longitudinal axis. Did something or not - I don’t know.

[TermNachTer]

There were many questions and almost all of them remained unanswered. The combat module is very heavy - about 3,5 tons, with very weak armor. Doesn't even protect against light shooting. Stabilization "not to the Red Army". Due to the fact that the module is heavy - the two rear axles do not support, torsion bars and shock absorbers "fly". Cross-country driving is also difficult. In ordinary brigades, the usual "80s" are preferred.

[Eug]

Several combat modules were developed on the instructions and at the expense of Middle Eastern customers, is this one of them?

[DRM]

Quote: TermNachTER

The combat module is very heavy - about 3,5 tons, with very weak armor.

On the BTR-4E are four options for combat modules:
Thunder combat module: weight without ammunition is 1280 kg (with full ammunition - 1890 kg).
Sailing module: weight (with full ammunition) is 1720 kg.
Flurry combat module: weight (with full ammunition load) is 1300 kg [, module weight with enhanced protection and accessories is 2000 kg.
BAU 23x2 combat module: module weight is 1090 kg.
Agree, it's hard to lie in the era of the Internet

[TermNachTer]

I didn’t read on the Internet, but talked to the person who drove it. His opinion is bullshit. And why do you think that they wrote the truth specifically for you on the Internet?

[Karaul73]

They are on the sides of the tower. Watch carefully.

[Avior]

they turn with the tower

[Vovanya]

Here are the consequences of the gas contract - we are paying for the war with Donbas.

[antivirus]

to "Here are the consequences of the gas contract - we are paying for the war with Donbas. ...
IT WAS FOR 7 YEARS TO ORDER A PIPE LAYER AT OSK- it’s dangerous to spit your saliva very far — you can’t see who you will get into.

[IL-64]

True, it is interesting that you will be ignored for the right question?)))

[kupitman]

If you look carefully, you can see that the frame of the screens is attached to the tower.

[Avior]

The article mixed up the cause and effect
Finnish steel was bought just because the Lozovo plant, overloaded with orders, did not have time to make cases, so in Kharkov they began to make them independently from Finnish steel, the quality was not worse than according to the Soviet standard, but did not formally pass standardization by Soviet guests.
Unfair competition, but someone didn’t succeed.

[Reserve buildbat]

That is, armor cracking is the norm? "According to the Soviet standard"? You really do not lie

[Avior]

cracking is a violation of the technology of welding and hardening of the armor, there can be no two opinions
but they were at the Lozovo plant on armor 71 according to the Soviet standard
https://www.ukrinform.ru/rubric-ato/2711196-strasti-po-brone-ili-gde-btry.html
and claims suddenly upstairs came to import armor, on which there were just no cracks
you do this, before throwing such sharp reproaches, you will first understand the essence of the matter

[Reserve buildbat]

And good evening to you
That's just cracking was not only at the seams, but also on the sheets. The steel there was not armored, but instrumental. Very fragile.

[Avior]

the link described there
cracking was not on imported steel.
maybe gdt something pohaltilili and with the brand of steel
but in the discussion, it is about armor, including imported

[TermNachTer]

Generally, Azovstal can roll armor up to 200 mm thick. Why did they buy Finnish steel, besides, it seems, not even armor, but structural steel - "there is a great secret."

[Astra wild]

Or maybe the secret is called "kickback"? Someone promised someone, something and let's go

[Astra wild]

Dear Avior, in competition it is difficult to trace where "healthy" competition ends and "not healthy" competition begins ..
Once I saw the Soviet comedy "Circus" and I remember these words there: "The contract ends and the intermission begins. The intermission ends and the contract begins" and with the BTR4E

[knn54]

Lozovskoy plant is still that office. And "pests" are not needed.

[prodi]

like an armored personnel carrier, this is the best attempt to develop the Soviet family,
like BMP - in general, everything is bad for everyone,
but as something else - Cuban samopal

[Sonmaster]

What's this???
T-55 tower screwed ???
Lepotaaaaa ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

No. Similar, but the reservation is bulletproof. Cubans, in general, based on 60 and BRDM2 have done so many miracles! ...

[prodi]

no, it’s on their basis (t-55) that they muddied themselves

Today, instead of this, a tower from Vienna or Bahce would have looked nice

[Catfish]

That's right, but the Cubans are getting out of position as they can. Well done! I hope that ours is something new for them right now.

[DMB-2020]

Well, if the BTR-4E was developed in the same place where the T-34 Victory tank was designed and built - then it will be! The traditions of the quality and production culture of Kharkovites are in the blood!

[Lone gunman]

Well, for the sake of a salary for ordinary workers, this is possible, and send somewhere to Iraq-2

[Grad-Xnumx]

Good machine, more of these ;-)