Forty years of troop deployment in Afghanistan. Heroic Pages

This year we are celebrating the second date, which has entered the heart of a huge number of Soviet soldiers and officers. Which left a mark on the lives of millions of Soviet people. It is in the heart. 40 years ago, the Soviet Union sent troops to Afghanistan ... I mean not only those who traveled their part of the road by the Afghan roads, but also those who, for whatever reason, did not go there. Those who were waiting for their Afghan at home. And there were thousands of them.

I wrote a number and did not believe it. How fast time flies! For some reason, a gray-haired veteran who comes to the stele with the names of those who died in Afghanistan on August 2 does not cause such a sensation as a simple figure. Probably, we are used to the fact that the veteran is always old and gray-haired ... And we look through the eyes of those veterans who carry flowers to the opposite stele with the names of those who died in the Caucasus. Young veterans ...

Afghanistan is not a state, this is fate

Afghanistan began for everyone in different ways. I recalled the incident that occurred in the early 80s in one of the district centers of the Surkhandarya region (now Vilayata). A case that slightly changed my attitude towards the residents of the border zone. The case from which my acquaintance with the combatants began ...

Contrary to popular belief, Termez was one of the first to enter Afghanistan, not conscripts, but “partisans”. I recall a conversation in a teahouse with one ZIL-131 driver. An old man, about 65 years old or something. It turned out that at the end of the 79th - the beginning of the 80th he was part of the autobat, which was one of the first in Afghanistan.

The fact is that the compounds that were on the border were cropped, i.e. they did not have the personnel in the required quantity and were deployed to full staff at the expense of local reservists. The same thing happened with automotive equipment.

An elderly driver has just received the dream of a lifetime - the new ZIL-131. And then the order to mobilize precisely his car at the disposal of a military unit. The driver did not want to give the car and went as part of a battalion to Afghanistan. He returned with the car only in March 80th. By the way, he didn’t tell about any fights ...

The fighting started later. When the spirits began to receive military assistance from the United States. When they began to implement the decision on "organizing a second Vietnam for the USSR," as stated at a special meeting in the US State Department in February 1979. But by this time the partisans were gone. There were regular units of the Soviet Army.

We should not be sorry

A lot of dirt was poured on the Afghans quite recently. Many times I heard from politicians, and after them ordinary people the question: why? Why did our soldiers and officers die? Was Afghanistan, from which then we just left, such victims?

I don’t intend to argue with anyone. I believed and still believe that our soldiers not only fulfilled their international duty. They defended the southern borders of the USSR. Just like those who do their duty in Syria now do it. The soldiers defended their mothers, fathers, brides, children ... their families. Present and future ...

525,5 thousand people served in the limited contingent of Soviet troops! More than half a million! And the total number of military personnel who took part in the hostilities in Afghanistan is about 620 thousand!

Of these, 13833 were killed (officers and generals - 1979 people), 49985 were injured, 6669 people became disabled. In addition, 572 KGB officers and 28 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were killed. The number of victims was also increased by 172 military advisers (of which 144 were officers).

When a veteran of Afghanistan, hung with awards of various stripes, sometimes meets on the festive streets of Russian cities, I always want to ask: for what kind of feats did you receive them? Any medal “For courage on Salang”?

In total, during the war in Afghanistan (for the entire period), a little more than 200 thousand people were awarded orders and medals. 86 Afghans became Heroes of the Soviet Union (28 posthumously). Awards, especially in the first period of the war, were not often given. Maybe that's why today they look with respect at the soldier with the medal "For Courage" or "For Military Merit." Received for the case ...

And yet we won

40 years ... And what began 40 years ago? Our victory or our defeat? Who won the war? This issue has been discussed in the media for many years. We are convinced that the withdrawal of the Soviet Army from Afghanistan is a defeat. But ask any Afghan: did he win or lose?

Yes, there were defeats in individual battles and even operations. I remember the death of the battalion of Captain Korolev at the end of April 1984. This is not customary to talk about. But the memory of the courageous battalion commander Alexander Korolev must be preserved. He controlled the battalion until his death. Then the doctors counted six bullet wounds!

But there were victories. The victories that reduced the resistance of the Mujahideen to a minimum. One prominent American intelligence officer, head of the State Department’s intelligence and research bureau, said in 1997:

“In 1985, there were real fears that the Mujahideen were losing, that there were fewer of them, that they were falling apart. They had great losses, and the retaliatory damage to the Soviet troops was negligible. ”

Note, this was said about the time when the losses of the USSR were the most significant (1984 - 2346 people., 1985 - 1868 people.). One can imagine what losses the spirits had. Another question: what are the goals of the war in the new political reality?

The war has become a routine. It has reached a dead end, as, for example, the war in the Donbass today. Therefore, it was decided to withdraw troops. In principle, the decision was correct. By 1989, Afghanistan had lost its paramount importance as a springboard for an attack on the USSR. The West has intensified in Iraq, Iran and Syria.

Afghanistan continues in Syria

Today they insistently tell us about some similarities between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Syria. Hinting at the same time that the end of the Syrian company will be the same. The impasse and care are not salty. Moreover, this is done quite often by different authors.

So, recently Lebanese journalist Basam Mukdad distinguished himself, who in his article “Syria is the second Afghanistan for Russia” (سوريا أفغانستان الثانية لروسيا) explains his point of view and motivates it based on the statements of some Russian politicians. The leitmotif of the Lebanese journalist’s material is the idea that Russia is an unreliable partner, and you cannot believe it.

"Assad must preempt Moscow’s actions and drive the Russians out of Syria."

The position of our country in the region is too strong. Both military and political. We are the only country that acts without breaking the law. Neither international nor Syrian. And the air base in Khmeimim, along with the Navy base in Tartus, cause a lot of trouble to the opponents of President Assad.

In the Caucasus and Syria, too, Afghanistan

40 years ago, the war in Afghanistan began. 30 years ago, as we then thought, it ended for us. Although more than 200 soldiers and officers of the Soviet Army are still being sought by our specialists in this country. But the war is not forgotten. She continues.

It was not for nothing that I mentioned the Lebanese journalist’s article in a material dedicated to the 40th anniversary of the entry of our troops into Afghanistan. This is an indicator that this war is ongoing in Syria. And it will go on. Whether we want it or not. Like Vietnam for the Americans or North Korea for the Chinese.

The soldiers who fought in the Afghan mountains became the fathers of soldiers in the Caucasus and Syria. The exploits of the Afghans are the exploits of their sons. This is the pride of Russia. This is the salt of the Russian land. And they will fight with us all the time. Cowards do not like heroes. But cowards always remain cowards and run at the first danger. And we remember the heroes, and our children remember, and the grandchildren ...

Comments

[rocket757]

This is our tragedy, but also the feat of our soldiers !!! About which so little is known until now.
There is no need to bashfully keep silent, to give a reason for speculation to any otr .... deceitful manipulators.

[Same lech]

We need to talk more about the exploits and deeds of soldiers and officers who fought in Afghanistan ... to tell everything ... about life ... about the war ... about the way home.
You can not be silent.

[bessmertniy]

History puts everything in its place. The Soviet presence in this country was necessary for both Afghanistan and us. Our internationalists have earned their awards honestly and can wear them with dignity.

[bionik]

Quote: The same Lech

We need to talk more about the exploits and deeds of soldiers and officers who fought in Afghanistan ... to tell everything ... about life ... about the war ... about the way home.
You can not be silent.

In YouTube, there are many videos and films, memories on this topic, here it happens on VO that also slip (although they are all from YouTube). Not long ago I looked here for example.

[kapitan92]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Can not be silent

Yes, there were defeats in individual battles and even operations. I remember the death of the battalion of Captain Korolev at the end of April 1984. This is not customary to talk about. But the memory of the courageous battalion commander Alexander Korolev must be preserved. He controlled the battalion until his death.

According to battle veterans, this fight has so far been one of the most dramatic pages of the Afghan war.
Captain Korolev's last fight
https://topwar.ru/27475-posledniy-boy-kapitana-koroleva.html (статья ВО, май 2013г)

[domokl]

To my shame, I did not read this article. Today I read it with pleasure. Thanks for the link. But the Queen in the photo did not recognize ... He always wore a huge mustache. But, they said that he shaved before entering the battalion at all. And I remember the castle, Zhora Ryzhakov. Only then he led an armored group on the road. I simply could not get to the battalion. By the way, Captain Malygin, a mortar battalion commander, survived. He told me that the mercenaries were swearing in Russian ... Until May 2, they collected corpses ... Hmm ...

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Afghan is not a tragedy, the tragedy of our Afghan is in the minds of democratic liberals, according to the assessment of those events. Those who, for the sake of their political career, "smeared with mud" not only the Soviet leaders who made the decision to send troops to Afghanistan, but also the servicemen, who performed their military and international duty. On February 15, 1989, we left Afghanistan as heroes, in October 1989 the Congress of People's Deputies, on the second attempt (in May it was not allowed to do so) condemned the entry of troops, and at the same time those who went through this war, legitimizing the famous - WE WERE NOT SEND THERE. Thirty years have passed, but nothing has changed in the assessment of those events adopted for the sake of "please the USA" ... Afghan is our glory, our pride. At the Salang pass, there is still a monument to a Soviet soldier, which was erected by the Afghans themselves, which the Afghans did not allow to destroy even the Taliban who were destroying everything. Who cares to look at the materials on the Internet on the topic - "a monument to a Soviet soldier on the Salanga.

[BARKAS]

The main military adviser in Afghanistan died, Mahmud Gareyev, blessed with his memory.

[Vladimir_2U]

Of these, 13833 were killed (officers and generals - 1979 people), 49985 were injured, 6669 people became disabled. In addition, 572 KGB officers and 28 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were killed. The number of victims was also increased by 172 military advisers (of which 144 were officers).Working with books about Afghanistan, not research, no, I came to the conclusion that the greatest losses were sustained by automobile troops.

[German Titov]

Autobat, Shindand 1362-1364, the driver of the memory.

[parusnik]

Of our school, 53 people died in Afghanistan, performing an international duty .. A stella next to the school and their names ... flowers all year round ...

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Alexei, what kind of school is this and where?

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Time flies inexorably ... 40 years since our troops entered Afghanistan. Somewhere we were greeted in Russian - with bread and salt, somewhere - with a bullet from an ambush. But this was not the first time Soviet troops entered Afghanistan. The first was in 1929. Then, after numerous requests from the Afghan government, our troops conducted successful military operations against the rebels with the support of the British Islamic radicals, and at the same time discouraged hundreds of thousands of Basmachs who fled from Soviet Turkestan to return with weapons and wage a war against Soviet power. Until now, it is not clear why, the materials about the Afghan campaign of the Red Army in 1929 are classified. Our Afghan began 40 years ago. My Afghan began 37 years ago, in August 1982, and although I returned home in 1984, I never got out of Afghan ...
Shindand. 1982-84. 585 OECD.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Yes, I will add. To the above written. THANKS Military Reviewthat did not forget about the date so significant for every shuravi !!!!!

[cost]

Between January 1980 and February 1989, some 62 troops served through the KGB military contingent in Afghanistan. Over 000 years and 9 month of hostilities, 1 operations and raids were carried out, of which 1113 planned and 340 private. Through the efforts of border guards, 773 militants were destroyed during the hostilities, including 41 field commanders. 216 Mujahideen were captured (545 of them were commanders of combat groups and detachments). 19 accomplices of armed groups were identified and detained, 355 279 Afghan draftees and deserters were brought to the conscription service. 3372 20 units of weapons, 401 20 thousand units of ammunition, 334 units of vehicles were destroyed.
Losses of border guards in manpower amounted to: 419 people killed and 2540 wounded, shell-shocked and sick. Including 55 people who died from the flight technical personnel of border aviation
Losses of border guards in military equipment amounted to: 62 helicopters, 180 units of motor vehicles and armored vehicles

During the withdrawal of troops, units of the 40th Army passed through the battle formations of the border troops that created guarded corridors. After the complete withdrawal of troops of the 40th Army, by the evening of February 15, 1989, the MMG of the border detachments entered the territory of the USSR

[nikvic46]

This way and that they write about Afghanistan. For me people are still the main ones. This is a meeting on the train with the guys. They are very neat and beautifully dressed. And often thoughtful looks. And at work I suddenly found out that my successor was awarded in Afghanistan. And the alley to the cemetery. Where everyone stops and inquisitively reads the names. I wish the Afghans good health.

[Grad-Xnumx]

And sometimes the roof shot. They started waving with a knife or worse. When they drank often the tower and demolished. It was not their fault, it was an echo of that war at home; they were practically not needed. They crawled and threw out like Chernoboltsy.

[Naz]

"War is the last disgusting thing" Granin. My opinion is. This war was still not justified. Whatever goals she sets. They killed 14 thousand young guys, and they have fathers and mothers, wives and children. How many more children would be born. And the grief of the parents, whose children died in some distant country. For what? For what we set up, helped them, and did they show us later? As was this backward country and will be for another thousand years. We are heroes. And the country, which now does not exist, has been stained with blood.

[Horace the Philosopher]

For the USSR, Afghanistan became Vietnam! It is still not clear why it was necessary to send troops? Schools and hospitals were built with one hand, and villages with civilians destroyed with the other!

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Lord Yes, stop following American propaganda, repeating all lies about the destruction of villages and civilians !!!! If there were cases, then the fact that the Americans did in Vietnam was not even close !!! Give an example of when and where the village was destroyed along with civilians ... Do you even imagine what an Afghan village is?

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Looked - Anti-Soviet blog - and that says it all. There is initially anti-Soviet propaganda and 90% of lies. Obviously, you believe an anti-Soviet man more than a person who, from 82 to 84, "traveled" along the roads of Afgan .... Dear, you would still link me to some Goebel's material about the fact that during the Second World War the USSR was the first to attack "poor nazis"

[Horace the Philosopher]

Well of course a hoax! Who would doubt that! What materials I would not send you anyway the dew of God!

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Dear Horace. I was in Afghanistan for two years, and then I trained soldiers in Afghanistan for another 3 years, and before Afgan I served for a year on Kushka (the southernmost point of the USSR, overlooking Afghanistan) and you are trying to prove to me that everything that I saw and heard and experienced "on my own skin" - nothing more than "hallucinations"? On October 23 of this year in Pyatigorsk at the "Relay of Generations" forum, a representative of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation solemnly presented the Order of the Republic of Afghanistan, which lay for a long time in the Moscow Region, and only 33 years later (the letterhead for the order has the date 1986, although I left Afghanistan in 1984 ) as they say: the award found a "hero", although after decades I don't remember, I can only guess what exactly, the Afghans presented me for the award bypassing the Soviet command

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

There was a failure - I will continue. So you offer me to tell your children and grandchildren that the Afghans rewarded me for the fact that, according to you and your sources, I killed civilians and demolished villages ????

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

I read it carefully. Are you asking if I trust Aushev? I don't know, but after the words "thanks to Gorbachev" - most likely not. Although his understanding of why the troops were brought in coincides with mine, namely - The Soviet Union was pretty scared by the Islamic revolution in Iran - they were afraid that the process would spread to Central Asia and Kazakhstan. and not only to Central Asia and the Caucasus. In 1985 (after returning from Afghanistan) I served in Grozny, a counterintelligence officer spoke to political workers, so he openly told us that radicalization of Muslim communities was taking place in Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan .... Until 1989, we were "distracting" Islamic radicals. we are the ones who were in Afghanistan, and after the withdrawal - it began, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, the North Caucasus ... So draw your own conclusions.

[Grad-Xnumx]

They say something and write that only the west helped spirits like stingers, etc. Does it ever occur to anyone that the spirits were mainly armed? Small arms Kalash dshk and rocket launchers are all made in the People's Republic of China, but not a single Afghan man speaks of help from the east like this? But in vain the Soviet Union sent troops and occupied Afghanistan; it was Brezhnev's mistake.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Gennady, we were not invaders .... first, open the dictionary and see what "occupation" is, and only then you will throw mud at us Afghans, labeling us as an occupier.

[Grad-Xnumx]

But most importantly, who missed the Chinese weapons supplied?
At the expense of the occupation, I remain in my opinion.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

From 1979 to the present, China has been supplying weapons to Afghanistan to illegal gangs, as well as legal ones. In those years, China was a very likely enemy for us, both militarily and ideologically. China supported Afghan spirits, but not from among religious radicals, rather from among communist radicals and mainly from among the Hazaras, who in China were declared almost Chinese "Ukrainians and Belarusians." But the main flow of weapons for the spirits from China was bought by Pakistan - it was officially considered to strengthen the Pakistani army in the confrontation with India (China still has very tense relations with India). It is clear that the money was from the United States and the Saudis. There were cases when ours captured or destroyed Chinese instructors who taught spirits on Afghan territory. By December 1986, thanks to the actions of the Soviet specialization, the flow of weapons to Afghanistan was almost blocked. I was in Afghanistan in 1982-84 - the very peak of hostilities and losses, so even in this tense time there was no smell of occupation, and I went in columns, i.e. I had to communicate a lot with both Afghan servicemen and ordinary Afghans. None of the lower me and the Soviet people called invaders, but not everyone supported the entry of our troops. During the period from the moment the Soviet troops entered Afghanistan in 1979 and until 1989, the "Soviet occupiers" built 150 significant for the economy facilities in Afghanistan, not counting the military garrisons transferred to the Afghans (and not only government troops), equipped outposts on the main highways, property etc.

[Grad-Xnumx]

Well, there were also weapons from the Arab brothers - the same "arrows".
No one has ever talked about and read about Chinese advisers to the Chinese advisers or about China in general. In open sources, I have not seen such data. Maybe tell me where to look?
It turns out that China, Pakistan, Arab countries and Western countries helped to fight against the troops of the USSR. About the first they are intensely silent.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

China's participation in the Afghan war has never been hidden. There are a lot of facts about the participation of the Chinese, you are probably looking in the wrong place ... In our museum, on a mannequin dressed in the uniform of a Soviet soldier (Afghan woman), a real Chinese unloading is put on (in Afghanistan they called it a bra) this is the stamp where everything is written in Chinese except for the year - 1983. Unloading arrived with the owner from Afgan in 1987. In the GDR, I was served with a warrant officer who received a medal "For Courage" by catching a Chinese instructor alive, or rather, not allowing us to escape from our special forces.

[Grad-Xnumx]

About the fact that Chinese machine guns and machine guns and up. everyone was talking about instructors for the first time I read from you maybe there are articles somewhere?

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

And Iran, too, did not immediately, but later actively helped. While working in Iran in 2005-2006, I met locals who went to help Muslim brothers (although Shiites and Sunnis are enemies like ...). The Iranian IRGC was also noted there. They told us so. They themselves were shyly talking about those business trips, saying that we didn’t want to, they sent without asking.

[Grad-Xnumx]

This is how it turns out China USA Iran Egypt Pakistan in one boat for one helped the spirits to fight, interesting company!

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

Plus the Saudis - these were financially very active !!! After all, everything is so in the East, it’s not very rich, and these Saudis are with a lot of money. However, I heard that even some wing of the PLO also sent its people to Afghanistan to help fellow believers: it turns out that the Union was in custody, but they also fought against us.

[icant007]

although Shiites and Sunnis are enemies like ...

Shiites in Afghanistan, too. Mostly in the western regions adjacent to Iran. And the main help of Iran was directed there.

[Grad-Xnumx]

Occupation - the violent nature of the invasion of the armed forces of the occupying side.
Typical occupiers.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

By the way, did you specifically tailor the concept of occupation "to fit your right?" in the absence of the will of the statepossessing sovereignty over a given territory.
Well, where did we forcibly enter at the request of the legitimate government of Afghanistan? Yes, today's date throughout the world is called as ENTERING THE TROOPS, and not the beginning of hostilities or invasion, attack, etc.

[domokl]

Quote: Grad-1

Occupation - the violent nature of the invasion of the armed forces of the occupying side.

"Uncle Gena you" (c). Soviet troops entered the DRA following several requests from the legitimate government of Afghanistan. What is violent? Have we occupied something? Squeezed about the Afghans. Read the newspapers of the day. The only thing the Soviet army was doing was planting trees and building orphanages. "Wotan", if I am not mistaken, this orphanage was called.
40 army was mujahideen. defeated the detachment or "went to the caravan" and went home to the location. So that. Read the memoirs of those who were there, not those who "already know everything."

[Grad-Xnumx]

Who asked? Government? Documents in the studio.!
Trees squeezed Soviet troops near the palace of Amin.

[Horace the Philosopher]

Genadiy is right! Entering a foreign contingent into the country, even if at the invitation a golimy occupation !!! You did not give out roses, but killed the citizens of a foreign country! As one officer wrote, if a shot was fired from a village, then we hail demolished the village together with dushmans and civilians! Protected soldiers

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

But the Poles, the Baltic states, etc. do not think so, although the US Army has its bases there

[Horace the Philosopher]

And what does the US kill Poles and Balts? Carries out punitive operations?

[domokl]

Quote: Horace the Philosopher

As one officer wrote, if a shot was fired from a village, then we hail demolished the village together with dushmans and civilians!

Yap your officer. And he was not in Afghanistan. Grad is only for large operations. And no one will give it to you if it is necessary to clear the village.

[Horace the Philosopher]

By itself! Soviet troops in Afghanistan played and acted like gentlemen in a sandbox!

[opus]

Quote: domokl

Grad is only for large operations. And no one will give it to you if it is necessary to clear the village.

"The artillery of the 40th Army was filled with batteries SG 2S3" Akatsiya ", SM 2S4" Tulip ", one of which was based near Kabul, SP 2S5" Hyacinth-S ", CM 2C9" Nona-S "and 2B9 mortars mounted on MT-LB Vasilek. The Afghan army had more than 2600 field guns, rocket artillery and mortars. "
Troops (in the general sense of the word) operations were not carried out, NOT WITH WHO.
Where do you think MLRS were used?
BM-21 Grad in Operation Trunk in 1987 to release the garrison of Khost in the south-east of the country with the restoration of the supply of troops.
This Khost, though not a village by name, but a village in essence.
On challenge:

For areas of possible launch by the mujahideen of rockets, the BM-21 Grad batteries were monitored with periodic fire strikes against identified targets.

In 1984, a reconnaissance group in the village of Chakaray a group of mujahideen was discovered. A battery of 220-mm MLRS 9P140 "Hurricane" was advanced to destroy them secretly at night.

After deployment, without volley, two volleys were fired at a time interval. The subsequent capture of the stronghold of the Dushmans showed the almost complete destruction of the detachment by the MLRS

and you write "only for" BIG "

The most striking example of a political error in the preparation of orders is the application of massive strikes in the enemy zone, including in Panjshir, during the withdrawal of troops, the so-called Operation Retribution. Why did you have to do this? All our military were at a loss.

The battle at the village of Afridzh (Operation Retribution) November 22, 1985 / Aushev
He recalls the "instructions" of the great generals from Moscow:

we took Berlin, but you can’t take some village? Are you unable to deal with the shepherds?

For the special operation more than 15 Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters were involved. Helicopter missile attacks and landing of border assault groups were carried out in the areas of Dargak, Mushtiv, Madut, Saidan, Karniv, Chashm-Dary, Navabad, Rogak, Kalai-Kufa, Sshari-Pula and other points. And on the positions of the Mujahideen near Mushtiv, a massive simultaneous bomb attack was carried out by 9 helicopters, following in a single formation a column of units. The column was led by Major General Rokhlov. Only one side from this group of helicopters during the operation carried out: 250 bombs (OFAB-100, OFAB-40), 2 incendiary tanks (ZAB), 5 NURSs (S-646KPB), cartridges (12,7 mm) - 1845 pcs., cartridges (7,62 mm) - 500 pieces;

Quote: domokl

it will not be given if it is necessary to clear the village.

better than a full salvo that will cover 426 square meters, and it’s even better to use 000M9K ammunition than

It was no longer conscience: they tied the legs and arms of the slain, passed through the snags found on the shore, and, tearing, as the Papuans of the captured leopard dragged up.

/ Kunar operation

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Having said "A" it was necessary to say "B" - here is a continuation from the forum (and I asked for documents to confirm "that you answered the author to which you are making your link, accusing us that we were demolishing villages along with the civilian population and apparently people who "asserts" most likely was not in Afghanistan or quietly sat in a quiet place. So what a participant in the discussion answered: [b] "Now about the extra victims and spirits that will go to smash the columns after the shelling of the village. In the summer of 85, another Kunar operation. The headquarters was in Babur, and very close, across the hill, was the settlement of Badel. We then sat on the hills from the Narang, and saw everything well. In the evening from Badel residents appeared in the mountains. At night from Babur across Badel began to work The shells were beautifully rolled over the hill, they put on some kind of brake rings for this.The shelling did not last long, there was no such effect as in the 9th company from the real GRAD, but the cattle in the village screamed until the morning. the residents returned to the village.
That's basically it. The essentially punitive operation was carried out without casualties. With the elders, the dog could not that you deliberately mislead readers by pulling out "phrases" that are beneficial to you from the sentence ....

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

The end of my answer for some reason did not go as it should, so I’ll finish:
“That’s basically all. The operation, which was essentially punitive, was carried out without human casualties. They could not agree with the elders and the residents were warned in advance about the shelling.
So I have a suspicion that you are deliberately misleading readers by pulling "phrases" out of the sentence ...

[domokl]

Quote: Grad-1

west helped spirits like stingers

There were the Stingers. For this toy Sokolov promised the Hero to the Group. The reconnaissance dug its nose ... and found it. Only the Hero was never given to anyone ...

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

The hero for the Stingers received, only not those who took it from the spirits, but the guys from the headquarters - for the development of the operation it was so officially voiced. But such is the life of the army-award: the closer to the headquarters the more orders

[Oleg (Kharkov)]

Quote: Grad-1

But in vain the Soviet Union sent troops and occupied Afghanistan; it was Brezhnev's mistake.

They say Andropov insisted on this. Perhaps the USSR needed a "small victorious war" like Russia did in 1905 ... But they spent so much money that they could fly to Mars ...

[icant007]

The fact is that the compounds that were on the border were cropped, i.e. they did not have the personnel in the required quantity and were deployed to full staff at the expense of local reservists.

There was another reason. Local reservists, residents of Central Asia, after all, looked more like Afghans than a Russian guy from the outback. In addition, a similar culture and mentality. Due to this factor, they tried to mitigate possible contradictions between parts of the Soviet Army and the local population of Afghanistan.
And by the way, the idea of ​​introducing parts equipped with residents of Central Asia was presented by Amin, thus offering to partially hide the participation of the Soviet Union from the West.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Even before entering there, in Afghanistan there were already "Muslim" units, which were guarded, including Amin. And who suffered losses from "friendly" fire during the assault on Amin's Palace.

[Grad-Xnumx]

They were still studying near Ryazan.

[VeteranVSSSR]

Vital, let’s remember our friends and commanders and let the mountains rest in peace. I would like to be silent, but I will continue, especially for those who know everything ... Few know the truth:
-22/12 1979 Saturday. For a Russian man, that this is right, first a can, then 0,5 of vodka and a warm barrel of a beloved woman or wife ... And so it was, but ... at about four in the morning they knocked on the window. Pushing aside the zanoviesku saw the district police officer and the military-they brought a summons ... After 15-20 minutes I was at the military registration and enlistment office, and the people kept arriving. To our questions, where we are in a hurry, the answer is silence. , we drink vodka, the order to build ... On the parade ground, platform 10 by 5, PAZiks approached, plunged, drove ... Upon arrival, they caught the same drunk major, to the question of what business they received the only correct answer, which put everything on their places ,, ... men, the war has begun ... ''
In short, as in that song, ... I will take my overcoat and helmet, in protective painted paint. I will strike a step, humped through the streets, how easy it is to become a soldier, a soldier ... ''
In our case, it was a T-64, and somewhere in 17/19 days we !!! (reserve soldiers of the USSR Armed Forces) were already at the Pakistani border ... Well, then politics began ...!, Voices squeaked that the Soviets called for reservists.
Young lieutenant of the village Mary Kushka ...

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

I remembered ... blessed memory (Kushka, large infantry, 1981 - 82gg, then Afghan 82-84gg.)

[domokl]

Kunduz and the surrounding area is generally the patrimony of the Uzbeks. Ahmad Shah is also an ethnic Uzbek

[Walking]

Quote: domokl

Kunduz and the surrounding area is generally the patrimony of the Uzbeks. Ahmad Shah is also an ethnic Uzbek

Ahmad-Shah Tajik

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Akhmad Shah is a Tajik and his patrimony of the Pandsher Gorge, the locals even called him "Pandsher Lion" ...

[Grad-Xnumx]

The Afghan war is the criminal and shameful page of the expanding empire of the USSR.

[icant007]

That's right, only criminal and shameful from the side of dushmans. They instilled terror, killed their own compatriots, poisoned wells, planted trap mines on which their children were blown up.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

I apologize - not on February 15, 2019, but on February 15, 2020 !!!

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Gena, how old are you and what country do you live in? So I want to look into your "honest" eyes, I invite you on February 15, 2019 to Stavropol, and there you will tell us, those who passed through Afghanistan, that we are criminals and shameful, invaders and murderers of civilians ... well, about the empire THE USSR. Maybe your righteous word will reveal to us, after 30 years of darkness in our minds - the truth, maybe we will rethink what we did in Afghanistan and run to surrender to the Hague Tribunal with a voluntary confession ... WAIT !!!! Thoughts aloud: The biggest nonsense is to repeat nonsense (this is not about you, otherwise you will suddenly consider it an insult and complain, but I will be warned again, the administrators of liberal individuals love)

[Grad-Xnumx]

What will the performers tell? How zealously defended the USSR in a foreign land, killing the local population protecting their land with weapons in their hands? What are you not going to in Afghanistan where they allegedly built some facilities for the people of Afghanistan and for the good of him? That I had to withdraw troops and bring zinc and the wounded home. And the locals accompanied you with flowers?

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Here it is the "darkness" of ignorance .... Gennady, veterans of the war in Afghanistan go to Afghanistan, meet with those with whom they fought (with the former spirits), they treat the Shuravi (ie, us) very respectfully. There are also friends there. True, a trip to present-day Afghanistan is a very expensive "pleasure" and the majority simply do not have money for the trip. The current government does not give money for such trips, probably it has the same attitude towards us as you do ... For example, I cannot afford such a trip for financial reasons, although the desire is very great. Speaking of Shuravi's trips to modern Afghanistan, there is a lot of material (including videos), you can understand how they treat us there ... You just didn't even bother to look for materials on the trips, but you have already thrown another lie at us .. But they did not answer - how old are you and in what country do you live ?????

[midshipman]

I ask who will have time to read my article in "VO" "The task is to increase the accuracy of missile bomb attacks." ETP about personal participation in that war and my subordinates too. It was possible only by the end of the war to cope with the task. But we did it!

[icant007]

Give the exact link. Search does not return.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: icant007

Give the exact link.

https://topwar.ru/32844-zadacha-povysit-effektivnost-raketno-bombovyh-udarov.html

[faterdom]

Contrary to popular belief, Termez was one of the first to enter Afghanistan, not conscripts, but “partisans”.

I had a colleague who came in 79 with the "partisans". Our attribution system has shown itself in all its brilliance. He served in the communications battalion of one of the MSD, which was "deployed" by the partisans. And then an unpleasant thing came to light: those local babays who were listed as communications specialists according to the VUS, in fact, were conscripted in a storehouse, as a cook, in a pigsty (these are Turkmens with Uzbeks!), In a construction battalion, bread cutter or something else. pseudo-scientific "fighter". But for some reason it was considered honorable to be enrolled as a "signalman", which was decided with the help of baksheesh to the local military commissar.
So, from such a replenishment, the officers had to spit very thoughtfully, and not allow "specialists" to approach equipment, which is more difficult than a shovel. True, the drivers turned out to be drivers, since it was not so easy to change the VUS here just like that.
And in the first year after the commissioning it was quite calm and without excesses, at least it was not called a war in any way. The "Partizan" was gradually replaced by conscripts and regular officers and superconductors.
But then what began began, and the Dushman movement was sometimes incited and supported, sometimes not by allied forces, but even by hostile forces. For example - from the south - Pakistan and the West (all, including even Japan), from the east - China, from the west - Iran.
At the same time, the political and military goals facing our OKSVA were vague and vague - this is already the "merit" of the political leadership, and at the stages of Gorbachev-Shevardnadze, I would call the actions of this "leadership" a direct betrayal.

[opus]

Quote: Alexander Staver

But ask any Afghan: did he win or lose?

In 1989, at a meeting of Afghan students in Moscow with Najibullah at the University of Peoples' Friendship, I (Shiryaev Valery Gennadievich) witnessed a characteristic scene. The leader of the state talked for a long time about the revolution and prospects. But the question about the help of the USSR answered unexpectedly:

Their help has no price. Have any of you thought that Russians have one or two children in their families, and boys more often have no more than one?

Do you understand that the death of a soldier in Afghanistan means the end of a family and even a clan? When sending his son to war, the Russian mother gives everything that she has.

Shiryaev Valery Gennadievich - in the center

Quote: Alexander Staver

And we remember the heroes, and our children remember, and the grandchildren ...

did everyone remember? and is it always?
I believe more in a friend who has been across the river for more than a year, his brother, who was an officer, was more likely to be Viktor Snegirev (he is on the right. If anyone does not know the characters)

even to Sheinin Artyom.

Only two years after the return of the "limited contingent" units and formations to their native barracks, with the beginning of the collapse of the system, they realized: how did we leave our guys behind the river?

The first to be remembered by our emigrants? Disgraced artist Mikhail Shemyakin, who created a committee to save Soviet prisoners in the States?

For 10 years of the Afghan war, under various circumstances, 417 Soviet troops were captured by the Mujahideen.

Quote: Alexander Staver

Contrary to popular belief, Termez was one of the first to enter Afghanistan, not conscripts, but “partisans”. I recall a conversation in a teahouse with one ZIL-131 driver. An old man, about 65 years old or something. It turned out that at the end of the 79th - the beginning of the 80th he was part of the autobat, which was one of the first in Afghanistan

Come on? What are the partisans? What nonsense! Who (in their right mind) will send the partisans "for the speech", even from the autobath?
According to the Law of the USSR "On General Military Duty"
- training camp, aimed at improving the military and special training of those liable for military service, maintaining it at the level of modern requirements;
- Verification fee, with the aim of determining the combat and mobilization readiness of the military command and control bodies (IED);

Article 49. Liabilities enlisted in the reserve of the first category of the first category, during the state in the reserve of the first category are called up for training camps up to four times for a term up to three months each time.
Article 50. Those liable for military service, enrolled in the reserve of the first category of the second category, during the state in the reserve of the first category are called up for training fees up to six times per up to three months each time.
first units appeared summer of 1979. The first battalion of the 345 regiment in Bagram appeared in July of that year
/ Ruslan Sultanovich Aushev

[faterdom]

Quote: opus

Come on? What are the partisans? What nonsense! Who (in their right mind) will send the partisans "for the speech", even from the autobath?

There were partisans and equipment from storage (you need to know what it is and what is its average condition) In 79th. Then no.
The Soviet leadership initially counted on the introduction of troops as a demonstration act (in Europe it worked). But all had to be replaced by real soldiers and officers, new models of equipment and weapons.
And the articles of the laws on fees have nothing to do with it. About their regularity and timing. The state has always reserved the right, if necessary, to call on any of the military men and at any time. It is necessary - and all! Including in the 90th (or already began to forget the 91st), partisans from the Cossack territories - the Rostov Region and the Krasnodar Territory were sent to Baku, where local Muscovite front-line activists foolishly fired on vehicles with these partisans. For which they raked instantly and toughly.

[icant007]

That's right. In January 1990, the Kherson division in Baku was deployed in wartime states in connection with the introduction of the state of emergency. The enlisted staff was from the Rostov region, Krasnodar and Stavropol territories. The first victims were from reservists.

[faterdom]

Quote: domokl

Kunduz and the surrounding area is generally the patrimony of the Uzbeks. Ahmad Shah is also an ethnic Uzbek

No, Ahmad is the leader of the Afghan Tajiks. The Uzbeks had such a leader as General Dostum, who played a role in the coup against Najib, after our withdrawal of troops. And then the ideologist of the dushmans, Dr. Rabbani, became the prime minister. Well, the main scumbag in the Peshawar Seven was such a Pashtun Gulbeddin Hekmatyar. Ahmad Shah was more of a Tajik separatist - he did not want to see either the Kabul authorities, or the Shuravi, or the Peshawar Seven in his possessions.

[Seld]

To answer this question - "Why did our soldiers and officers die? Was Afghanistan, from which then we simply left, such sacrifices?" - it is necessary, dear journalist, first a lot and a long time to study at MGIMO, then a lot and a long time to get practical knowledge in the specialty "on earth", then it is imperative to get a REAL second higher education in the field of world economy, then it is highly desirable to get a lot of practical knowledge again "on the ground" and defend the candidate's and doctoral theses, work again in the specialty, finally get access to classified archival information, and then understand that the answer to the above question is NOT intended for ordinary people, incl. and readers of this site.
But you can not do this. And revenge the blizzard on. Although, sweeping the streets would clearly be more.
Yours!

[Elturisto]

The article is worthless.
Why should Syria be attracted to Afghanistan? That the members of the Politburo of the CPSU had their own business in Afghanistan, like Timchenko in Syria? In Afghanistan, most of the world fought against the USSR - NATO, China, the Islamists, and after leaving Afghanistan, the Americans registered there.

[Elturisto]

There are many memoirs, of particular relevance are the memoirs of soldiers, sergeants and junior officers. Http: //artofwar.ru/

[komandir8]

Not all 1 SME 682 SMEs under the command of Mr. Korolev was destroyed in this battle. Killed 59 people. The author, like many journalists, thinks in categories from the battalion and above. The whole regiments and brigades were killed in them and in Chechnya, as the infamous 131 Motorized Rifle Brigade from Maykop, and the combined brigade detachment was destroyed.

[Sergey49]

This is a feat of the army and at the same time a shame on politicians.