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"We will buy electricity abroad": In Germany, they argue against the decision to close the 2nd EB of the Philippsburg NPP

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In Germany, disputes over the future of the country's nuclear energy have flared up with renewed vigor. A new round of discussion is connected with the final decision to close the second power unit of the Philippsburg nuclear power plant in the federal state of Baden-Wurttemberg by the end of 2019. We are talking about a water-water reactor, which in the west is designated as PWR.


A certain kind of strangeness is noted in the German press: the second power unit (EB) of the Philippsburg NPP was decided to be closed, but no one in the German electric power industry has yet presented a viable plan on how to compensate for the energy shortage that threatens to manifest itself throughout the south-west of Germany . At the moment, the 2nd EB of this power station provides approximately 13% of the electricity demand in the southwestern regions of Germany.

It should be noted that the 1st unit of the same NPP was closed in 2011 - some time after the accident at the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan.

In the publication Frankfurter Allgemeine it is noted that since 1984 the second unit of the Philippsburg nuclear power plant has never failed in its work. Its reliability and safety are emphasized.

However, Germany itself pledged to implement the new European energy charter, which implies a phasing out of nuclear power plants. In France, this energy charter was not fully supported. Official Paris proposes to revise the approach, which implies a complete rejection of nuclear power generation.

In the federal state of Baden-Württemberg, they say that with the closure of the second power unit of the nuclear power plant, one will have to import electricity:

We will buy electricity abroad. What is the positive?

In addition, the regional authorities will have to fork out for the dismantling of the station, for the disposal of nuclear fuel. Such work will continue for at least 15 years.

The acuteness of the discussion in the Federal Republic of Germany was also added by the American sanctions against Nord Stream-2. Actual American opposition to the increase in German direct purchases of gas from Russia against the backdrop of an initiative to abandon nuclear energy threatens the problems of German industry. This is openly stated by representatives of German business.
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  1. awdrgy
    awdrgy 22 December 2019 19: 58
    -1
    Energy "hunger" and pollution of the territory leads to the expected problems.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 22 December 2019 20: 24
      +8
      And what
      Quote: awdrgy
      territory pollution

      with
      since 1984, the second power unit of the Philippsburg nuclear power plant has never failed in its work. Its reliability and safety are emphasized.

      with the closure of the second power unit of the nuclear power plant will have to go to import electricity:

      Well, in principle, everything sounded like Russian comedians - there is an abyss ahead, but YOU can go there!
      Look at the Baltics, they have abandoned their EU, now they are "covered in chocolate" (I don’t know what smell is true), they buy electricity from everyone around and are happy!
      So the Germans think whom to listen to and what to do!
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 22 December 2019 20: 35
        -1
        Contamination of the territory directly to the NPP has nothing to do (of course, in the case when the problem of disposal of nuclear fuel wastes is solved). Nevertheless, this issue always "hangs" in the air as a matter of safety, especially in a country that does not have vast territories for its disposal and its technologies percentage of recycling (the European Energy Charter was not just adopted)
        1. KCA
          KCA 22 December 2019 22: 21
          +16
          With the development in Russia of RBN, SNF smoothly turns from waste to income, the design of BN-1200, it seems like, is finished, they will soon begin to build, and there the stove burns VVR waste, and converts it into fuel for VVR, a closed cycle
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 22 December 2019 23: 32
            -3
            I read on this topic, but here the main thing is "it seems like they will start soon" so while the question is open And here it's not even that "they harness for a long time" A whole set of factors can affect both the construction and its ability. But for now we have what we have What concerns me personally, I hope that everything will be fine and life experience suggests that it is not a fact
            1. Amin_vivec
              Amin_vivec 22 December 2019 23: 59
              0
              The point is not only in a closed cycle, the matter in nuclear energy in principle. They will also buy from Belarusians from the Finns, when the NPP is completed. In general, the fast Germans are at hand - the end of 2019 - here it is, 8 days left.
            2. KCA
              KCA 23 December 2019 02: 17
              +6
              BN-1200 is the development of a series of fast neutron reactors - BN-300, BN-350, BN-600, BN-800, BN-300, reworked the design life of 10 years, shut down, BN-350 remained in Kazakhstan, shut down, 600 and 800 - the only industrial fast neutron reactors in the world, in operation, all reactors worked and are working without incident, test loads of MOX fuel are carried out at BN-800, BN-1200 is planned to be completely MOX-powered, with such experience in building an RBN, I don't think that with the construction of the BN-1200 some problems may arise. In addition to BN-1200, the development of a fundamentally new RBN "Brest OD-300" is coming to an end, so it may be delayed, but with the BN-1200 the decision to build was made, about 5 years to build and forward, with songs
              1. Alex Justice
                Alex Justice 23 December 2019 10: 47
                -1
                BN-350 in Aktau in Kazakhstan, in my opinion, is still working.
                1. KCA
                  KCA 23 December 2019 10: 58
                  +1
                  No, in 99 they drowned, he developed weapons-grade uranium, and Kazakhstan decided not to become a nuclear power
              2. awdrgy
                awdrgy 23 December 2019 11: 44
                0
                Much can happen in 5 years. Would you ever build a house next to these reactors? Did the kids raise them? I-no. All people can be divided into these 2 categories. Strange as it may seem, there are more supporters of the second option in Europe. I am not a European but also a supporter of security, for a "living corpse" has no need for money. opinion will not change I had the "pleasure" to live near the chemical plant and listen to how great and clean everything is. I just saw the opposite However, this is already the problem of us those who are worried about the health of their loved ones (as they say, don't like it, but we need to earn money)
                1. KCA
                  KCA 23 December 2019 11: 48
                  +3
                  I can see the ventilation pipe over the IBR-2 (pulsed fast neutron reactor) from my window, about 2 km to it, I live, and the whole city lives and does not cough
                  1. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 23 December 2019 11: 55
                    -2
                    You don’t need to speak for the whole city (even people who have experienced the effects of a nuclear explosion do not die all at once, but in general somewhere I already heard it (
                    1. KCA
                      KCA 23 December 2019 12: 03
                      +1
                      The presence of a reactor does not mean at all that lanterns are not needed on the streets at night, everything is still lit, except for the reactor there are also accelerators, and in general at JINR there is plenty of fissile material, but everything is monitored and checked. Yes, one acquaintance died of cancer due to radiation, so he was an experimental physicist and just got into the neutron momentum from the IBR and got into it himself, accidentally, but not the leak was
                      1. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 23 December 2019 12: 09
                        0
                        Firstly, the question arises with the transportation of oil from Europe and the possibility of accidents during it; secondly, a friend is what you know Here you need to "work in the field" and talk to the doctors over a glass of brandy in a bar (minimum investment and a drop of acting) Very quickly it turns out that the statistics on cancer, to put it mildly, is not entirely true. On the other hand, why? Anyway, each of us will remain unconvinced
                      2. KCA
                        KCA 23 December 2019 12: 18
                        +1
                        What are the problems with SNF transportation? From all power units built by Sredmash and Rosatom, all of the spent nuclear fuel was taken by the USSR, now Russia, I have never heard something about incidents during transportation. What statistics do not match? My acquaintance as a nurse worked for an oncologist, didn’t tell anything about any horrors with oncology, and there were no queues to their office
                      3. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 23 December 2019 12: 24
                        -1
                        Problems? "Chernobyl with Fukushima" was also not expected, which means that if there are oyat, they cannot be excluded, but if they are absent, it is possible About a friend, then we have different information
                      4. KCA
                        KCA 23 December 2019 12: 32
                        +3
                        And did anyone expect problems at an environmentally friendly SSHPP? But accidents at chemical plants, for example Bhopal, how many, 20 thousand died, did someone expect? And what to do? Destroy all the plants, factories, cities, put on potato bags and go to the forest to live?
                      5. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 23 December 2019 12: 37
                        -1
                        Well, why is it all? However, you are absolutely right - you need to get rid of harmful industries than are now in Europe and do it at the expense of us
                      6. vargo
                        vargo 23 December 2019 13: 50
                        +2
                        If you get rid of harmful industries, then perhaps KCA is right, then send it to the forest. For me, everything is to some extent harmful. Just now we have chosen a specific production as the most harmful, and have begun to bend the line. I’m silent that nuclear power plants are sometimes much safer than the same mines, or chemical. factories. The closing logic is clear, but the logic is "I don't want to, close!" perhaps in itself does not have a sound view of the situation as a whole. If you think purely personally, then yes, harm must be eliminated. But if socially or at the state level, then perhaps you need to understand that a number of industries are essential! And it is absolutely stupid to get rid of them in a clean way guided by momentary reflections. In the future, everything will be extremely depressing.
                        We must strive to do it safer but not to ban in principle.
                      7. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 23 December 2019 14: 40
                        -2
                        That is precisely, there is a contradiction between the benefits for the state and for each (individual) person. Here we come to a philosophical question - if a “separate” person becomes “everyone” (and in connection with the volume of “harmful” industries, this is a fait accompli) and those who "I managed to live in ecologically clean zones" shouldn't be taken into account, for obvious reasons, where the interests of "everyone" end and the state ones begin? And it needs to be solved, and the choice of the concept is obvious, but the decision is still absent The desire to make it safer and improve does not work in market conditions - this can be seen from the current situation in Germany, but it can be seen in our country too However, unlike Europe, which does not have "areas for the burial of large forests of masses of clean air and water", the question is less acute until a certain point But only to a certain point, so why accelerate here we come to political questions, namely how much we need Europe with all its problems and more private ones, for example, what will children if "they are sent"? However, this is already beyond the scope of comments to this article and simply turns into a dispute between "physicists and lyricists"
              3. asv363
                asv363 23 December 2019 18: 09
                0
                Quote: KCA
                BN-300

                Where in the USSR was the BN-300, do not remind?
      2. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 22 December 2019 20: 40
        +3
        Until they get rid of the American occupation, they will play to the tune of the United States.
        1. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 23 December 2019 00: 01
          +11
          In abandoning nuclear power plants, they dance to the tune of a green eco-schiza like the girl Gretta. And by the way, we also benefit from their refusal.
      3. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 23 December 2019 03: 46
        +5
        Look at the Baltic abandoned their EU, now "in chocolate" (I don't know the truth of what smell), they buy electricity from everyone around and happy !

        On subsidies from the EU. In these subsidies, the lion's share of German capital. That is, the Germans are working for themselves and for all the other loafers in the EU. If Germany begins to live according to the Baltic scheme, then who will subsidize the Germans?
  2. figwam
    figwam 22 December 2019 20: 00
    +5
    We’ll just build it at the father’s side and you can buy it.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 22 December 2019 20: 07
      +9
      Quote: figvam
      We’ll just build it at the father’s side and you can buy it.

      Tongue removed wink Our svidomity howl in all that there is no place to put this energy - the answer suggests itself wassat Nekhai burghers close their and buy from us bully They have a cap on different security and so moves out, because if there are no brains, then let them take on the side fool laughing laughing laughing
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 22 December 2019 20: 13
        +9
        Quote: Rurikovich
        They have a cap on different security and so moves out,

        Exactly. Let them close it, Greta Tumberg will bring electricity to them in their palms. Or "green", with their fluttering language, generate.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 22 December 2019 20: 47
          +2
          Greta, with the closure of Swedish nuclear power plants, passed from birth to Estonian oil shale. Byakon Estonians, holy Greta ...
        2. 75 Sergey
          75 Sergey 23 December 2019 01: 44
          0
          Those. Are you claiming that nuclear power plants are less green than thermal?
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 23 December 2019 06: 00
            -2
            Thermal, if on gas, then clean, but if on coal, then not at all.
            1. Orkraider
              Orkraider 23 December 2019 12: 47
              +2
              Quote: _Sergey_
              Thermal, if on gas, then clean, but if on coal, then not at all.

              hi
              Invalid statement.
              Gas is cleaner than coal, but unlike atomic, it cannot be called pure.
              Look at atmospheric oxygen consumption and tons of emissions per year, table below:
              1. asv363
                asv363 23 December 2019 18: 20
                +2
                Happy holiday, Day of energy!
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 23 December 2019 18: 45
                  +1
                  Happy holiday, colleague! I'm still celebrating)))))
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 22 December 2019 23: 28
        +2
        you can think of building the Kaliningrad NPP. Fritz throw the cable by the sea.
        1. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 23 December 2019 00: 03
          +3
          It is possible to adjust the floating power unit to Kaliningrad.
          1. IgorIP
            IgorIP 23 December 2019 00: 38
            -1
            A floating nuclear power plant is about nothing!)) Is barely enough for a small town without industry.
        2. 75 Sergey
          75 Sergey 23 December 2019 01: 45
          -1
          Old Man will be a competitor, and he is our "most recent ally."
  3. eagle owl
    eagle owl 22 December 2019 20: 02
    +6
    WHO will you buy it from? The French - only for themselves. Everyone else has energy hunger right now.
    PiSi: in general, the Germans are on the wave of green hysteria, and so energy is almost the most expensive in the world. It seems that they decided to overtake Ukraine in an effort to bask with dung
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 22 December 2019 21: 42
      +7
      Quote: Uhu
      but in general, the Germans in the wake of green hysteria and so energy - almost the most expensive in the world. It seems that they decided to overtake Ukraine in an effort to bask with dung
      Despite the fact that the "green wave" there really is a threat not only to the facilities generating electricity, and as a consequence, to the entire industrial potential, the Germans do not want to follow the example of Ukraine and switch to environmentally friendly dung. Realizing that the pressure on atomic energy would grow, they clung to the gas, which explains their desire to complete the construction of SP-2 at all costs. Today they are probably even more interested than us in making this project work, since it is gas that will "turn their turbines" and provide energy instead of the nuclear reactors that have fallen out.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 22 December 2019 21: 58
      +2
      Quote: Uhu
      In general, the Germans in the wake of green hysteria, and so energy is almost the most expensive in the world. Looks like they decided to overtake Ukraine ...

      Kizyaki here ... and about overtaking ... Head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Energy and Housing and Utilities Andriy Gerus - "Today, from 02:00 to 06:00, a dispatch forced reduction of the generation of nuclear power plants by 400 MW was carried out, which continues The reason is low demand for electricity consumption (warm weather and falling industry) with a high output of "green" producers ... We lived to the point that we exclude the already built state nuclear power plants with a tariff of 0,7 hryvnia and with zero CO2 emissions, to ensure the operation of private industrial SPP and WPP with the largest tariff in Europe 3-5 hryvnia per kWh ".
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2019 20: 05
    +11
    My God ... Yes, close everything quickly. You will also buy electricity ... And if there is an obvious deficit, it is expensive to buy ... Green energy is a huge "Panama", squeezed by the "greens" under the guise of environmental concerns. NPPs are the most environmentally friendly electricity producers. By the way, quite cheap ... And don't talk about radiation. There is no particular danger there. These are the bunglers at the Chernobyl station BLASTED up their station, with stupid experiments, successively turning off ALL security systems. Fukushima -2 is the same bullshit. Nobody remembers that there are TWO stations? And one director of SPAS, not giving a damn about the fact that there are NO INSTRUCTIONS, and on the other he sat and waited for instructions. And ditched the station. A WEEK sat and waited until it exploded!
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 22 December 2019 20: 24
      +9
      And one SPAS director did not give a damn that there was NO INSTRUCTION, and sat on the other and waited for instructions .... do not bring people into the oman (specialized fraud), Focus 1 on the hill, therefore, did not suffer. but Fokushima -2 on the coast, the diesel generators were initially installed below sea level (ocean) and flooded, this is an engineering error, however, no one was able to bring third-party diesel generators (which was not very difficult to do) thereby preventing the formation of hydrogen in boilers, this is the fault of the Japs and Westinghouse. let them bite their own tails, although the Westinghouse is in x, the Japs are toothless
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 22 December 2019 20: 28
        +5
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        Fokusima 1 on the hill, therefore not affected. but Fokushima -2 on the coast, diesel generators

        You are absolutely right. So on and on the 1st spare generators turned up! And there the people rushed with cables to reconnect the circulation in the spent fuel pool. It was they who isolated the hydrogen that blew up the station ... On the 2nd ...
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 22 December 2019 20: 35
          +5
          On the 2nd ......... on the second full mess. instead of doing real business, they preferred to pour water on emergency reactors from above, aggravating the situation. and so for the discharge, what is F2 for today, 10 years have almost passed
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 December 2019 21: 32
            +4
            Beautiful picture. Only it does not apply to Fukushima, it is a map of the heights of tsunamis arising from earthquakes in Japan. https://tnenergy.livejournal.com/80758.html
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 22 December 2019 22: 27
              +7
              this is a map of the tsunami heights arising from earthquakes in Japan ........ oh well oh so
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 23 December 2019 06: 20
          +1
          And there the people raced with cables to reconnect the circulation in the exposure pools
          In general, there was a very interesting story related to the laying and connections (one of the problems is different connectors "dad" "mum", a problem that our electrician would have solved within one or two hours simply by putting the cables on the twists) of the emergency cable line.
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 22 December 2019 20: 53
        +2
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        this is the fault of the Japs and the Westinghouse. let them bite their own tails, although the Westinghouse is in x, the Japs are toothless

        Actually, Westinghouse is a subsidiary of Toshiba.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 22 December 2019 21: 09
          +2
          Actually, Westinghouse is a subsidiary of Toshiba ..... before everything happened, and even before it happened, the whole Ukrainian nuclear power industry was shaking
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 22 December 2019 20: 49
      0
      To buy electricity, you need to sell something. But the German auto industry is in China and the USA. Nothing to sell. Only borrow.
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 23 December 2019 12: 12
      0
      NPPs are the most environmentally friendly electricity producers. By the way, quite cheap ... And do not talk about radiation. There is no particular danger there.


      the gnawers at the Chernobyl exploded their station, at Fukushima -2 the same garbage.


      Something I didn’t understand .. There is no danger there, or they can still explode ..
  5. vanavatny
    vanavatny 22 December 2019 20: 08
    +1
    But it was said: even for firewood and then to Russia ... good luck in the struggle to uphold the principles of the infallibility of the European bureaucracy
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 22 December 2019 20: 09
    +1
    The Germans behave themselves in the energy pit. It is surprising. Although how are they better than Ukraine?
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 22 December 2019 20: 34
      +4
      In my opinion, the whole of Europe is striking at a rapid pace. And not only on these issues. but also for many others. The principle the worse, the better - that’s the main thing for them now.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 23 December 2019 12: 21
      -2
      Poor Germans ..))

      The average salary in the Kaliningrad region in 2019 was 33 rubles. In August 058, the average salary was 2019 rubles

      The average salary Dnepropetrovsk region 12 352 UAH (in October 11157 UAH)

      Than we better than Ukraine and how much - you can calculate for yourself by googling the hryvnia exchange rate ..

      About the Germans, it’s better not to go compare with someone yet ..))
  7. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 22 December 2019 20: 11
    +8
    EU is a European family! And, in fact, it turns out that each "European family" transferred not only the regulation of relations in the family, but also the management of their property, to a certain Eurogean housing office.
    1. bbtcs
      bbtcs 22 December 2019 20: 18
      -9
      Sovereignty! They decide what they have and how.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 22 December 2019 21: 01
        +6
        Quote: bbtcs
        Sovereignty! They decide what they have and how.

        This is the number. In the west, now the main ones, these are different minorities, "greens" and Greta Tumberg, who have more rights and opportunities than Germany has "sovereignty". Yes, and let the American bases be removed from their territory, and the American ambassador, who builds German politicians as he wants, and then there will be a talk about sovereignty.
        1. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 23 December 2019 00: 09
          +4
          Strange sovereignty, when the Brussels bureaucracy and the American military decide in Germany))) The main thing is this "sovereignty" is leading Germany to a crisis, and the Germans begin to freak out in times of crisis ...
  8. bbtcs
    bbtcs 22 December 2019 20: 17
    -14
    And at this very time (right now) Kiselyov (who, allegedly, gets 20 million rubles a month (go crazy!)) Is watching TV on anything, but not about shooting near the Lubyanka. I thought a sinful thing - well, nonsense. But seeing how they are hushed up involuntarily you fall into a gloomy mood.
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 22 December 2019 20: 20
      +10
      Quote: bbtcs
      And at this very time (right now) Kiselyov (who, allegedly, gets 20 million rubles a month (go crazy!)) Is watching TV on anything, but not about shooting near the Lubyanka. I thought a sinful thing - well, nonsense. But seeing how they are hushed up involuntarily you fall into a gloomy mood.

      You, too, off topic write. Or can you?
      1. bbtcs
        bbtcs 22 December 2019 20: 22
        -11
        So you do not write on the topic! Why the hell is Germany and the NPP, if there are other things, more important.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 22 December 2019 20: 24
          +7
          Quote: bbtcs
          So you do not write on the topic! Why the hell is Germany and the NPP, if there are other things, more important.

          Do not read. What is the problem?
        2. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 22 December 2019 20: 58
          +4
          but not about shooting near the Lubyanka. I thought a sinful thing - well, nonsense. But seeing how they are hushed up involuntarily you fall into a gloomy mood.
          Well, for you this is a pleasant event - one FSBeshnik became less. And the fact that while you were waiting for the news, the Americans and a half hundred people soaked, you do not care. Probably even dream of being soaked in American blackwater. Experience the buzz when lead American democracy flies into the skull ...
          1. bbtcs
            bbtcs 22 December 2019 21: 03
            -9
            Quote: Oo sarcasm
            And the fact that while you were waiting for the news, amerikosy one and a half hundred people soaked

            Hde ?! What joy!!!! (sarcasm laughing )
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 22 December 2019 20: 21
      -7
      Do not be surprised that on the day of this tragic incident, neither the first nor Russia 1 (all channels) pretended ......... that everything was Worth .......
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 22 December 2019 20: 46
        +6
        Quote: Alien From
        Do not be surprised that on the day of this tragic incident, neither the first nor Russia 1 (all channels) pretended ......... that everything was Worth .......

        To put it mildly, you wrote a lie
        https://www.1tv.ru/news/2019-12-19/377715-pri_strelbe_na_ulitse_bolshaya_lubyanka_v_moskve_pogib_sotrudnik_fsb
        1. bbtcs
          bbtcs 22 December 2019 20: 50
          -10
          So my link doesn’t work. And so, what I see is writing.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 22 December 2019 21: 18
            +6
            Quote: bbtcs
            So my link doesn’t work.

            copy the link and paste in the address bar.
            Quote: bbtcs
            And so, what I see is writing.

            it doesn’t work like that. for example, I do not watch TV. Does this mean that I can blame any channel on the basis of what I did not see?
    3. Amin_vivec
      Amin_vivec 23 December 2019 00: 10
      +2
      Yes already "sucked" the topic from all sides ... Are you from the Baltic states?
  9. Alien From
    Alien From 22 December 2019 20: 19
    -3
    What really is there ....... we’ll sell candles a bit .....
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 22 December 2019 20: 47
      +4
      .We will not sell candles .... It was immediately remembered 12 chairs, Father Fyodor, so they dealt to the children of Courland
  10. knn54
    knn54 22 December 2019 20: 24
    +4
    The amount of electricity generated by renewable energy sources depends heavily on the weather.
    Poles, having abandoned atomic energy and Russian gas because of an ambition, coal stations pollute the atmosphere not only at home, but (at least) at their neighbors.
  11. bbtcs
    bbtcs 22 December 2019 20: 26
    -10
    Quote: Alien From
    Do not be surprised

    Terrified. Since no matter what beliefs we have, we all live in Russia and must endure doublethink in our own skin.
  12. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 22 December 2019 20: 40
    +5
    What reactors and fuel do the Germans have? Correctly - Muryukan, and whose gas turbines can they quickly put on new "green" TPPs? That's right, their own from the Semens. Well, what's the problem, everyone is doing the right thing. It is not for nothing that they pull gas flows to themselves and will be not just consumers, but also distributors, and this will reduce the price of gas for their consumption.
  13. Avior
    Avior 22 December 2019 20: 42
    +8
    In France, this energy charter was not fully supported. Official Paris proposes to revise the approach, which implies a complete rejection of nuclear power generation.

    France is a unique country in the world.
    Most energy is generated at nuclear power plants.
    It is clear that they are against
  14. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 22 December 2019 20: 44
    0
    When did the start of laying the first string of energy bridge?
  15. bbtcs
    bbtcs 22 December 2019 20: 49
    -15
    Glory be to Allah, Kiselev informed about the shooting, he completed in a minute.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 22 December 2019 23: 03
      +2
      Allah Akbar?
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 22 December 2019 20: 50
    +4
    "We will buy electricity abroad": In Germany, they argue against the decision to close the 2nd EB of the Philippsburg NPP

    Yes, yes, and abroad, energy is taken from the divine ether !!!
    Yak ostriches, let's "turn green" everything, everything ... put something in the sand, sort of like a head, and ....
    But what they have for And it will turn out, but I can’t presume to suppose.
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 21: 05
    -1
    Maxim died, well ....... with him laughing
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 21: 10
    -2
    cunning gnomes gather electricity from the French laughing
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 21: 16
    0
    Sarah Wagenknecht will come - Ordnung will bring .. laughing
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 21: 22
    +3
    Then, when the entire nuclear industry is bent in Germany, they will say that Rosatom funded the green lobbyists and will impose sanctions on it. laughing
  21. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 December 2019 21: 51
    +3
    Personally, I welcome this decision. The most powerful motive that drives a person is hunger. Including energy. So, other sources will buy. Gas, oil, coal, and electricity itself. The idiocy with wind and sun energy has already led far enough in the ass. A fair wind and sun in the back.
    The teachings of the fleet and aviation on the path of movement of gas tankers penguins to make permanent.
  22. garri-lin
    garri-lin 22 December 2019 21: 52
    +1
    Recalled the story of an alcoholic's neighbor. He took electrical wiring machines in his apartment and sold them for a bottle of vodka. Drank in the dark.
  23. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 December 2019 21: 56
    0
    Quote: Lena Petrova
    When did the start of laying the first string of energy bridge?

    A talented performer will certainly pause. Before the victim’s pulse loss.
  24. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 December 2019 21: 58
    0
    Quote: Avior
    In France, this energy charter was not fully supported. Official Paris proposes to revise the approach, which implies a complete rejection of nuclear power generation.

    France is a unique country in the world.
    Most energy is generated at nuclear power plants.
    It is clear that they are against

    Unique in that it does not have its own coal, gas, oil, firewood, straw and dung.
  25. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 December 2019 22: 04
    -1
    Quote: knn54
    The amount of electricity generated by renewable energy sources depends heavily on the weather.
    Poles, having abandoned atomic energy and Russian gas because of an ambition, coal stations pollute the atmosphere not only at home, but (at least) at their neighbors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZt0M76yfjs
    The curse of wind power generators
    But, the most remarkable thing is that industry cannot depend on the whims of the wind and the sun. Therefore, you have to keep the traditional. At the peak of the production of clean energy, the traditional becomes redundant, but it is impossible to get rid of it. You can’t stop a nuclear, thermal station during the day when there is wind. From here, energy costs and tariffs are rising. Paradox? No. Normal economy.
    1. Fikys
      Fikys 26 December 2019 05: 19
      0
      Quote: Victor March 47
      You can’t stop a nuclear, thermal station during the day when there is wind.

      Masterpiece! Firstly, a thermal station, especially a hydraulic power station, can be stopped / started quickly (minutes) and without problems, unlike nuclear power plants. And secondly, the wind, in your opinion, only happens during the day ?! The options for solving the problem of the instability of renewable energy generation are many, ranging from a banal, unified energy system verified in the USSR and a well-established tariff policy, to energy storage systems, including systems with the synthesis of methane from CO2 or hydrogen. I’m very interested in what you’ll say when the Germans (and not only Germans) will completely switch to renewable energy sources, preserving both industry and living standards? To whom will we then sell gas and nuclear power plants ?! However, you probably don’t give a damn about it, because it will not be your problems ...
  26. eagle owl
    eagle owl 22 December 2019 22: 18
    +2
    Rosatom, represented by its subsidiary Fennovoima, will build the Hanhikivi nuclear power plant in Finland. This news caused considerable excitement in the West. In Sweden, even created a public movement against this project - "Bottenwick without nuclear energy" (Bottenwick is the name of the northern part of the Gulf of Bothnia).

    Whoever doesn’t know, there’s a rzhach in the fact that for about 15 years they have been building Olkiluotto NPPs - the 3rd and 4th blocks, Areva is building. Must put into operation (WAS winked ) in 2010. As you might guess, "Indian national dwelling for you!" And after the price increased 5 times, the 4th block was abandoned altogether. Third, by the way. also "Indian national dwelling" - Areva - bankrupt wassat
    And now we are starting to fight from Sweden for green energy in Finland. True, such crap - there is no other way. Because the Finns are building nuclear power plants. More precisely, the one who knows how to build them. And he knows how in the world - only Rosatom
  27. bbtcs
    bbtcs 22 December 2019 22: 20
    -9
    Quote: orionvitt
    In the west, now the main ones, these are different minorities, "green" and Greta Tumberg, who have more rights and opportunities.

    This is an attribute of their sovereign democracy. request
    Quote: orionvitt
    let American bases be removed from their territory

    And Russian from Armenia and Abkhazia laughing
  28. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 22 December 2019 22: 31
    0
    So probably it will be ...
  29. bbtcs
    bbtcs 22 December 2019 22: 32
    -10
    Quote: Flood
    Does this mean that I can blame any channel on the basis of what I did not see?

    You can, if rumors have yet to reach you that the channel shows something vile, from your point of view, or hides what you know.
    At the NPP. At first glance, the Germans are wrong. But the main thing here is to swear less and scold the "green" energy. They say it is not profitable. I do not know. It's up to whoever spends money on it.
    Quote: Victor March 47
    The teachings of the fleet and aviation on the path of movement of gas tankers penguins to make permanent.

    Will gas revenues from the pipeline go into my pocket?
  30. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 December 2019 22: 52
    +3
    Quote: bbtcs
    Quote: orionvitt
    In the west, now the main ones, these are different minorities, "green" and Greta Tumberg, who have more rights and opportunities.

    This is an attribute of their sovereign democracy. request
    Quote: orionvitt
    let American bases be removed from their territory

    And Russian from Armenia and Abkhazia laughing

    Most certainly. In exchange for Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO.
  31. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 December 2019 22: 53
    +3
    Quote: bbtcs
    This is the business of the one who spends money on her.

    Green energy receives the most powerful subsidies from the budget. So you paid earlier, and now you will.
    Read if literate.

    https://bezgin.su/pools
    1. Liam
      Liam 22 December 2019 23: 05
      -1
      Quote: Victor March 47
      Quote: bbtcs
      This is the business of the one who spends money on her.

      Green energy receives the most powerful subsidies from the budget. So you paid earlier, and now you will.
      Read if literate.

      https://bezgin.su/pools

      But the green energy does not receive subsidies?
      1. eagle owl
        eagle owl 22 December 2019 23: 11
        +3
        What for? She is profitable. On the contrary, it unfastens the budget
        1. Liam
          Liam 22 December 2019 23: 18
          -1
          Quote: Uhu
          What for? She is profitable. On the contrary, it unfastens the budget

          Well ... subsidize trillions

          In 2013-2020, Rosatom will receive 1,247 trillion rubles from the budget. state support - This amount will be allocated within the framework of the state program for the development of the nuclear industry adopted by the government, said the general director of the state corporation Sergey Kiriyenko. The financing of the industry for the next three years in September was approved in the budget forecasts of the Ministry of Finance, he explained to the corporate newspaper Strana Rosatom. These amounts include support for both civilian and military nuclear projects. At the same time, according to Mr. Kiriyenko, in 2013 budget financing of Rosatom will grow by 50 billion rubles, and further, in 2014-2015, it will increase by 20% annually. The growth in spending on the nuclear weapons complex will grow even faster - by 30% per year
          1. eagle owl
            eagle owl 22 December 2019 23: 35
            +3
            This is for targeted programs, such as research institutes for example. But by and large, the Rosatom Corporation as an energy company, without others:
            On the basis of RBC's research, Rosatom State Corporation at the end of 2016 entered the top ten largest taxpayers in Russia. Rosatom took the final 8th place, having paid 125,3 billion rubles (with revenues of 864,6 billion rubles).
            From 125,3 billion rubles. 82,4 billion rubles. paid to the federal budget, 42,3 billion rubles. - to the budgets of constituent entities of the Russian Federation and 0,6 billion rubles. - to local budgets. Of the subsidiaries of Rosatom State Corporation, TVEL JSC paid the most taxes (29,2 billion rubles), Rosenergoatom Concern JSC (22 billion rubles) in second place, and Techsnabexport JSC in third (10,1, XNUMX billion rubles.)
            More than Rosatom, only five oil and gas companies, Sberbank and Russian Railways paid to the budget of the Russian Federation. At the same time, Rosatom turned out to be the largest taxpayer of the country among all companies in the energy sector of the domestic economy.

            And yet, Rosatom is working for space and defense orders. You give us purely energy, and there the numbers are three orders of magnitude smaller - about 20 billion subsidies per year, again for targeted programs, energy is returned to the money
            1. Liam
              Liam 22 December 2019 23: 43
              -4
              So the "green" energy companies pay taxes and do not receive trillions of subsidies from the budget. Or do you not know the support of the coal industry's trousers with subsidies from the budget for many decades in a row? Or the construction of a state district power station for the state account, a secret with 7 seals? Or eternally unprofitable CHPs hanging on subsidies from state and municipal budgets and the robbery of consumers by ZhEKovskiy receipts?
              1. eagle owl
                eagle owl 22 December 2019 23: 48
                +4
                Everything is simpler here. For example, see the cost of generation in Ukraine? Clear. that where 0,7 hryvnia and where 5 - the payback is different. The rest is already a gypsy with an exit. Green energy is simply unprofitable a priori, because it is unstable. None of the taxes from it will recoup the FACT that, in addition to any green one, it is necessary to keep a non-green generation, otherwise on a cloudy, windless day, you will be singing the song "I am an ecologist" under drowning floods throughout the country. And this generation with taxes on subsidized greens everywhere cannot be built.
                Coal is even simpler - within the framework of the INSIDE of the country - this is social policy - jobs.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 22 December 2019 23: 54
                  -4
                  Here is another little material.
                  RusHydro: Reporting for 9M19 and held a conference call RusHydro presented reports for 9M19 and held a conference call - EBITDA decreased by 13,1%, net profit - by 23,5%. The main reason is the fall in free electricity prices in Siberia due to high production in 2019. Among the main things, we note the following: - the amount of subsidies in 2019 is expected to reach 44 billion rubles, of which 32 billion are subsidies for tariff equalization , 12 billion - “old” subsidies. - In 2020, the “old” subsidies are expected to be at the same level; there are no exact data on equalization subsidies.

                  Wherever you poke, everywhere tens and hundreds of billions every year on subsidies.
      2. Cheerock
        Cheerock 23 December 2019 02: 11
        0
        And green energy is taxed to such a state that it is already balancing on the verge of profitability.
  32. Lesorub
    Lesorub 22 December 2019 23: 38
    +2
    We will buy electricity abroad.

    Germany to abandon nuclear power plants, which adversely affects the country's energy supply - green electricity could not fully replace nuclear power plants. To buy something from the neighbors, it remains to pull the cable from Russia (sarcasm)! )))

    1. cost
      cost 23 December 2019 06: 54
      +1
      In Germany: "We will buy electricity abroad"

      You know better. Here, as they say - the master's business
      Lesorub (Anatoly): Germany to abandon nuclear power plants, which adversely affects the country's energy supply - green electricity could not fully replace nuclear power plants. To buy something from the neighbors, it remains to pull the cable from Russia

      Not a fact. Trump will get involved. Like this? Another Russian enengineers! He will impose sanctions on this cable. Not for the sake of self-interest, but only exclusively in the interests of Germany and will stretch his from America.)))
    2. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 24 December 2019 16: 28
      -1
      And what should this picture prove? Russia produces more energy, but, just for reference, Russia is much larger than Germany.
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  34. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 23 December 2019 00: 24
    0
    Quote: Uhu
    WHO will you buy it from? The French - only for themselves. Everyone else has energy hunger right now.
    PiSi: in general, the Germans are on the wave of green hysteria, and so energy is almost the most expensive in the world. It seems that they decided to overtake Ukraine in an effort to bask with dung

    And what? Neatly made bricks, with brand names of the manufacturer. And wrapped in a paraffin paper, so as not to get wet on the road and in the warehouse. Perhaps you need to start saving up money for a trip to look at civilization.
  35. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 23 December 2019 00: 26
    0
    Quote: Corn
    It’s good that the Eurogays continue to rot and degrade, just a little more, and they will start asking in large numbers for Russia, we just need to wait.
    That's really, well, stupid!

    Do not scare. With our damn sluggishness, we do not have time to build a wall and equip it with machine guns to protect against this infection.
  36. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 23 December 2019 00: 31
    0
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: Victor March 47
    Quote: bbtcs
    This is the business of the one who spends money on her.

    Green energy receives the most powerful subsidies from the budget. So you paid earlier, and now you will.
    Read if literate.

    https://bezgin.su/pools

    But the green energy does not receive subsidies?

    If the cost of energy at hydro power plants in Krasnoyarsk today is 27 kopecks per kilowatt hour, what do you think?
  37. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 23 December 2019 01: 47
    0
    Interestingly, this is the difference to the Germans, whether they or their neighbors will explode where they will consume electricity, it will be bad for everyone.
  38. slavaseven
    slavaseven 23 December 2019 06: 33
    +1
    request nor will they promote electric cars from 2020. Where did they get so much electricity from?
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  40. Million
    Million 23 December 2019 07: 55
    +2
    It’s a strange thing: we have power plants in Russia, and if you look at the electricity bill, it seems that we are buying it in Germany and through resellers
  41. Roman070280
    Roman070280 23 December 2019 12: 08
    0
    And what is the argument ...
    Well, they will buy .. they will find money, and they will buy ..
    We don’t buy it, but sell it .. and still don’t see the money ..

    Now, if we had to buy .. it would be interesting to see ..
  42. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 23 December 2019 14: 29
    +2
    Yes, the Germans are having fun now.
    Previously, their main energy sector had two whales - coal and nuclear power plants. From coal, they began to crawl onto gas, since the coal was green.
    Now it turns out that coal cannot be burned at all - ecology. All nuclear power plants must be closed - ecology. But you cannot buy cheap gas - otherwise, sanctions. And where to go to the poor burgher? smile
  43. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 14: 57
    -1
    The Crazies belay Where is German practicality? laughing
  44. NF68
    NF68 23 December 2019 16: 45
    +1
    Germany had previously purchased electricity abroad for some of its regions. However, at the same time, Germany was selling electricity. I don’t remember how much they bought and how much they sold.

    In France, this energy charter was not fully supported.


    The French can also understand how about 75-80% of all electricity in France comes from French nuclear power plants.
  45. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 19: 25
    -1
    https://youtu.be/E6twxHu05X0 Пока гром не грянул laughing