Poland accused Russia of distorting the picture of World War II

Russia deliberately distorts the beginning and course of World War II, providing the world with a false picture. With this statement, the Polish Foreign Ministry commented on the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin about the Second World War, posting it on the official website of the Polish Foreign Ministry.

We note with concern and distrust statements by representatives of the authorities of the Russian Federation, including President Vladimir Putin, regarding the outbreak and course of World War II, which represent a false picture of events

- said in a statement.

At the same time, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs emphasizes that in the 30s of the last century Poland sought to build normal relations with the USSR and Germany, which "acted together to the detriment of the republic." And the prelude to armed aggression against Poland of the Third Reich and the USSR was their mutual agreement of August 23, 1939, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

Hitlerite Germany and the Soviet Union of Lenin and Stalin consistently sought to overthrow the Versailles order in Europe and impose their orders on other European nations. The Second World War began with the aggression of Germany and the Soviet Union on Poland in 1939

- stated in the Polish Foreign Ministry.

The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

At a press conference, Vladimir Putin recalled that the Soviet Union was the last European state to sign a non-aggression pact with Germany, also known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and the Soviet troops entered Poland in accordance with these agreements, but "after the Polish government has lost control over its armed forces and what is happening on the territory of Poland, and itself was already somewhere in the region of the Polish-Romanian border. "

Note that the official position of Poland - the USSR attacked Poland in 1939 together with Hitler Germany.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

First, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.

[Ross xnumx]

It is more important to deal with Katyn. And the "Great History of the Patriotic War of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" as presented by the authors is simply annoying ...

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes

[Spartanez300]

By sending troops to the eastern regions of Poland, the Soviet leadership set out to eliminate the consequences of the Riga Treaty of 1921, to return the territories captured by the Polish army during the war against Soviet Russia in 1920, and to reunite the divided peoples (Ukrainians and Belarusians).
As a result of the Polish campaign of 1939 there was a reunion of divided peoples - Ukrainians and Belarusians. It was not ethnic Polish lands that were annexed to the USSR, but territories inhabited mainly by Eastern Slavs (Ukrainians and Belarusians). In November 1939, they became part of the Ukrainian SSR and the Belarusian SSR. The territory of the USSR increased by 196 thousand square meters. km, and the population - by 13 million people. Soviet borders moved 300-400 km to the west.
It is sometimes said that the USSR and Germany conspired to seize Poland together. But this is a lie: Soviet troops entered Poland after Poland had lost the German war. And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.

[lucul]

Sending troops .....

And why was the footcloth to write? )))
In short - Poland occupied the lands of Western Ukraine and Belarus in 1919.
In 1939, the USSR returned these lands back exactly to the border of historical Poland))) ....

[Shurik70]

The German attack on Poland began with a provocation - German soldiers dressed in Polish uniform attacked a German radio station.
That it was a provocation, learned later.
About what "building peaceful relations"We can talk if at first everyone believed in the provocation, including the Poles.
Poland spoiled Germany wherever possible, encouraged by England.

[About 2]

Your truth, the Germans could not forget them even after the war of their antics. In the same GDR in entertainment establishments where Polish traders went to dine, there were often fights between Poles and Germans.

[Tatyana]

The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

Gorbachev and Yeltsin did not at all try to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations, but vilely and sneakily surrendered the true history of the USSR / Russia for their beloved and their privileged position in the West and in their country.
At the same time, Gorbachev was essentially an agent of American and English intelligence, and EBN was just an eabuldyga-drunkard who wrested personal power in the country from the hands of Gorbachev! And acted Gorbachev and Yeltsin in the collapse of the country and the elimination of the USSR
Both Gorbach and EBN are state criminals, treasonmen and enemies of the people!

It is necessary to deprive Gorbachev's Russian pension (750 thousand rubles per month) and illegal benefits and pensions to their families! Stop mocking the people - the Russians - and our country!

Heroes-traitors of the USSR #Mikhail Poltoranin # USSR # KGB # Gorbachev # Yeltsin # RazvalSSSSR • Published: Nov 9. 2019 year

[Tatyana]

Poland accused Russia of distorting the picture of World War II

And the reason for the distortion by the Poles of the WWII picture was falsified precisely by Gorbachev himself and A. Yakovlev. Gorbachev, whom the liberal power of the Russian Federation will still bury with military honors and at the expense of the peoples of Russia!

By the way, it was Gorbachev who created CORRUPTION in the highest echelons of power in the USSR, breaking the USSR State Bank into pieces and ALLOWING OFFICIALS IN 1989 TO JOIN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF FOREIGN BANKS and receive BONUSES there (from a million dollars).
Those. exactly Gorbachev purposefully created a corruption scheme for the export of capital ... Gorbachev corruption scheme It is valid today !!!
In other words, it was Gorbachev who created the Corruption Scheme of DECOMPOSITION OF STATE OFFICIALS!

M. Gorbachev - Agent of influence of Britain and the USA (MI-6 and the CIA) Published: Sep 12, 2019

[Catfish]

German attack on Poland began with a provocation

It was a carefully prepared operation, codenamed "Gleiwitz", carried out by Reinhard Heydrich's security forces (SD). Directly in command of the group was SS-Sturmbannführer Alfred Naujöx, who after the war wrote the book "Operation Gleiwitz, or How I Started World War II". Later, the film "Operation Gleiwitz" was shot in the GDR, those who are interested can watch it now, everything is detailed there.

[ship]

The development and implementation of the operation in Gleivitz belongs to Müller. 0n was responsible for the delivery of corpses of prisoners of concentration camps (“canned food”) and
coordinating the actions of SS groups depicting German border guards and Polish soldiers who allegedly attacked a customs point in Hohlinden.

[Catfish]

Well, as far as I can judge from the book of Naujöks, there was only one corpse there, they took a young Pole from the camp, "de-energized" with an injection, dressed in a Polish military uniform and shot dead on the territory of the radio station. A corpse without a pool of blood under it looks somewhat unnatural, you must agree. Therefore, Naujöx demanded for himself a carbine from those with which the German border guard was armed, for greater reliability, if some kind of expertise is required. I am inclined to trust him more than anyone else, there was no point in lying, when the book was written, everything was over long ago.
Yes, and there is not a word about Mueller.

[ship]

"about Mueller" and not only - http://genadiafanassjev.blogspot.com/2011/06/blog-post_6372.html

[Okolotochny]

Read the memoirs of Walter Schellenberg. He and his subordinates were developing the operation. Whoever performed on the ground is the second thing. And they developed intelligence intelligence.

[Catfish]

Good night, Alex.
If you mean Schellenberg's Labyrinth, then I read it. I wrote that it was all the work of SD. There was another interesting book from the early sixties by the GDR writer and journalist Julius Madera called "The Man with the Scar". It is, so to speak, "dedicated" to Skorzeny, but there are other interesting details as well. Around the same time, the book "Operation Bernhard" was published about the production of counterfeit money in the Reich during the war. The author is Walter Hagen, but this is the pseudonym of Sturmbannführer Wilhelm Höttl from the same SD. These guys have mischievous enough during the war, one plus, slightly undermined the financial system of Britain, it's a pity just not to the end. You may have already read them, but if not, then find them, they probably are on the net.
I’m sitting here with my cat at the monitor, insomnia sickened (though me alone).

[maidan.izrailovich]

It was a carefully prepared operation, codenamed "Gleiwitz", carried out by security personnel (SD) ....

There is another, little-known version of those events.
According to this version, there really was an attack by the Poles. And the British secret services stood behind it. London, by the plague, needed a war with Hitler. Well, naturally, not with your own hands. By 1939, they realized in London that the Fuhrer had to be stopped (taken under control). The choice fell on obedient Poland. By that time, a treaty of mutual assistance had been concluded between London and Warsaw in case of war. But from the first day everything went wrong. The Poles failed the provocation. The Germans worked perfectly. And the first to start the fighting. And to the unpleasant surprise of London, the Polish army was indecently weak.
And all these German memoirists after the war wrote their memoirs under the strict control of the British. And naturally they said what London needed.
I don’t know how true this version is, but given the Anglo-Saxons craving for behind-the-scenes problem-solving, this could well have been.

[Catfish]

Oh, these damned British, no matter what happens in the world, they are to blame for everything.

[Fat]

Operation "Canned Food" Many people remember. Polish bullshit in exile continued to break ambitions even with no support. I would like to briefly. Well, the Polish zholnezh did not want to fight with Germany ... Question !? Or is it love before the shooting.!? Even the Polish corps had to be shaken up by the British to the front. These people stole the best weapons from our country and merged. This is in 41 42. The country fed and armed them better than the VDK. Well, I'll be brief, a curse ...

[sabakina]

Quote: lucul

Sending troops .....

And why was the footcloth to write? )))

Vitaly, why are you strangling a genius in the bud? Maybe we are witnessing the birth of a new Pushkin or Lermontov?
Vitya, my advice. Never stop a man. Well, unless of course he is a criminal or rapist.

[Fat]

I respect the opinion that is. Aloysych kiss on the lips? Not yet convicted? For me, at first it was less to lie, and only then on the hill.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: lucul

In short - Poland occupied the lands of Western Ukraine and Belarus in 1919.

For this, she received an answer in 1939. What did they think with impunity all will pass to them? And they got it in full. For 70 years they sat and did not blather, but here again they raised their heads, the human memory is short, you need to constantly remind, and the harder it is, the faster it comes.

[Catfish]

Vlad Here, whatever you say about Poland, all the same, everything will remain "as usual." Poland is Poland, and an inferiority complex is an incurable thing. When people seriously dream about something that cannot be in the current realities, it is useless to speak with them in a sober language. I mean "Poland from sea to sea". Alas, sir.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

I support. Truth will triumph sooner or later.

[major147]

Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5

I support. Truth will triumph sooner or later.

And with documents in their hands, the Poles can hardly prove their "rightness". Or as usual - the "truth" and so everyone knows. "

[Oleg1263]

Yes, what is the truth? I won’t be surprised if they soon make a statement that Germany attacked the USSR, trying to free Polish lands ....
Why are our historians silent? Why do all politicians make statements?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: oleg1263

Why are our historians silent? Why do all politicians make statements?

And no one listens to historians; now politicians rule the whole wedding.

[RUSS]

Quote: Spartanez300

And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.

Yes, the lands were returned, but they deceived Poland in violation of the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty of 1932.

[Alexga]

Poland has not been. On September 16, the government left the state.

[RUSS]

Quote: AlexGa

Poland has not been. On September 16, the government left the state.

Well, let's say that the Polish government was evacuated, but sooner or later it would have returned or a new government had been created, and it was necessary to return the occupied lands to Poland.

[Alexga]

Captured by Poland under the Riga Treaty? A country that is not? Poland returned the territory at the Podsdam Conference. And even in vain, looking at today's Polish politics.

[poquello]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: AlexGa

Poland has not been. On September 16, the government left the state.

Well, let's say that the Polish government was evacuated, but sooner or later it would have returned or a new government had been created, and it was necessary to return the occupied lands to Poland.

here in vain, in vain did not return the Polish kingdom, well, maybe another time

[Paranoid50]

Quote: RUSS

but sooner or later it would return or a new government would be created,

Duc, they grabbed abundantly on the basis of 2MB.

[Rome]

As I understand it, the Polish government is in exile, but it remains in exile! Having left the country, they could not regain control over it. To whom and what to return?

[PalBor]

Yes, by September 17 there was no longer Poland as a state, who was there to deceive?

[kpd]

Cheated? Was there such a state as Poland at that time?

[Achilles]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Spartanez300

And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.

Yes, the lands were returned, but they deceived Poland in violation of the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty of 1932.

Poland first deceived the USSR here are the facts: September 19, 1938 The Soviet Union offered its assistance to Czechoslovakia in case of war with Germany. Poland said that if the Red Army tried to send troops through Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia, Poland would declare war on the USSR. The Soviet government makes a statement that any attempt by the Polish troops to occupy part of Czechoslovakia will nullify the non-aggression pact. On September 21, the Soviet representative at the plenary session of the League of Nations called for urgent action in support of Czechoslovakia, but they ignored it. After the Sudeten crisis, Germany, Poland and Hungary began the process of dividing Czechoslovakia. Poland annexes the Cieszyn region, Hungary - southern Slovakia and Subcarpathian Rus. Thus, after Poland seized part of Czechoslovakia (with which the USSR had a mutual assistance pact), the agreement with Poland no longer makes sense. And the USSR thereby did not deceive the Poles, they themselves are to blame

[tihonmarine]

Quote: RUSS

Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact of 1932.

Well, on September 23, 1938, the USSR sent a note to Poland, where it stated that any attempt to occupy part of Czechoslovakia by the latter would annul the treaty. There was no response. But on September 16.09.1939, 17, the Polish government fled to Romania and on September 1939, 1921, the USSR treaty was canceled. And what had to be recognized that Poland in XNUMX without a cut took a piece of Russia.

[Rzzz]

Quote: tihonmarine

that Poland in 1921 seized a piece of Russia without payment.

Well, for the sake of historical justice, I must say not entirely free of charge, the Soviet-Polish war was started by the USSR, in pursuit of the world revolution. They hoped that under this offensive revolutions would take place in Poland and Germany, and these countries would also become socialist. True, there "something went wrong", mainly due to the mediocrity of the "red marshals". And they rolled back a lot, even surrendering Kiev and Minsk.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rzzz

Well, for the sake of historical justice, I must say not completely free of charge, the Soviet-Polish war was launched by the USSR in pursuit of a world revolution.

Well, you are somehow prejudiced here, no one has declared a war between Poland and the Bolsheviks - in the conditions of widespread uprisings and political chaos, the Soviet-Polish conflict began in a clear order. Germany, which occupied the Polish and Belarusian lands, surrendered in November 1918. And a month later, Soviet troops moved to the territory of Belarus from the east, and Polish troops from the west. The Poles were more fortunate then - by the summer of 1919 all the forces of the Soviet government were diverted to the war with the white armies of Denikin, who launched a decisive attack on the Don and in the Donbass. By that time, the Poles had captured Vilnius, the western half of Belarus and the whole of Galicia (that is, western Ukraine, where Polish nationalists fiercely suppressed the uprising of Ukrainian nationalists for six months). So, do not make an innocent sheep from Poland, which they are still trying to make for the beginning of WWII.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rzzz

The Soviet-Polish war was launched by the USSR in pursuit of the world revolution.

Yeah ... knocking the Poles out of the originally Polish city of Kiev, which the Poles occupied on 07.05.1920/XNUMX/XNUMX

[Rzzz]

Well, they liberated Kiev. And Warsaw to take where they went?

[Bukhalov]

Quote: Spartanez300

By sending troops to the eastern regions of Poland, the Soviet leadership set out to eliminate the consequences of the Riga Treaty of 1921, to return the territories captured by the Polish army during the war against Soviet Russia in 1920, and to reunite the divided peoples (Ukrainians and Belarusians).
As a result of the Polish campaign of 1939 there was a reunion of divided peoples - Ukrainians and Belarusians. It was not ethnic Polish lands that were annexed to the USSR, but territories inhabited mainly by Eastern Slavs (Ukrainians and Belarusians). In November 1939, they became part of the Ukrainian SSR and the Belarusian SSR. The territory of the USSR increased by 196 thousand square meters. km, and the population - by 13 million people. Soviet borders moved 300-400 km to the west.
It is sometimes said that the USSR and Germany conspired to seize Poland together. But this is a lie: Soviet troops entered Poland after Poland had lost the German war. And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.

Two questions:
1. Why sign contracts if they are later violated? Do you know the principle: paktae sunt servantae?
2.And why did the USSR capture the Baltic states?

[Alexga]

Capture the Baltic states? What are you talking about? Everything is in accordance with the Treaties.

[NordUral]

With contracts, this is you to Adolf (and today - to the Anglo-Saxons). And yet - the USSR did not capture the Baltic states, simply returned its own, moreover, in accordance with the treaties. True, some of the Baltic states, by the way, a smaller part of the population, had and still have objections.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bukhalov

1. Why sign contracts if they are later violated? Do you know the principle: paktae sunt servantae?

Sorry, but what agreement was violated by Soviet Russia, I misunderstood something.

[Edik]

Quote: Pessimist22

First, Poland took a bite from Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland

Here in more detail, for those who do not watch it when

[Mordvin 3]

And what, do you offer to watch this canoe for an hour?

[4ekist]

Better outline and place under the pillow.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 4ekist

Better outline and place under the pillow.

SchA, I’ll drop everything and run off to look for a notebook!

Quote: Edik

we will take action and make organizational conclusions

You are all evil. I will leave you.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mordvin 3

You are all evil. I will leave you.

Well, wait, you're our darling! Be patient a little, wait .... People are asking!

[Mordvin 3]

We’re running together, Nikolayevich, there are all kinds of Chekists ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mordvin 3

We run together, Nikolaitch,

As the Soldier told the Snake Gorynych: Do not tempt, Trisha!

Itself now and then I "rush"! Yes, the old habit still holds!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Itself now and then I "rush"! Yes, the old habit still holds!

I mean from this thread. What is there to discuss the hackneyed record. The Psheks are again shaken by the dusty secret protocol, which they either threaded by the plague of opinions Gorbi, or the Alkash of All Russia Boris the First ... Tired of ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I mean from this thread.

Yes, I was not going to "tweet" on this "thread"! Only answer you!

[Edik]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And what, do you offer to watch this canoe for an hour?

Of course! The hour of political information, remember how it was in good times and forward! And whoever does not look, you understand, we will take measures and make organizational conclusions

[sabakina]

After an hour of political information, we searched for a political informant for a long time to ask only one question ...

[Edik]

Quote: sabakina

After an hour of political information, we searched for a political informant for a long time to ask only one question ...

Fulugan you however The party will not forget you!

[Ezekiel 25-17]

What: also pierces the eyes?

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Edik

Here in more detail, for those who do not watch it when

And where to see how he removes Miller from his post?

[Edik]

Quote: Sergei Medvedev

And where to see how he removes Miller from his post?

There hasn’t been an order from you yet! Report it in full form, and I’ll get it right away!

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Edik

There hasn’t been an order from you yet! Report it in full form, and I’ll get it right away!

I see, it means he hasn’t pushed it aside.

[Edik]

Quote: Sergei Medvedev

I see, it means he hasn’t pushed it aside.

They are waiting for your authoritative opinion to raise this question with an edge!

[Sergey39]

"where to see how he dismisses Miller from office?"
Only through the portal to parallel reality.

[Doctor]

Here in more detail, for those who do not watch it when

Looked, thanks. Disappointed once again. All documents from open sources, in particular from here:
http://dvp.sssr.su/
It would be possible to pamper us with an exclusive of THEM closed archives. But to see whether or not nothing or referents are frail.
It is also surprising that for our guarantor, it seems that this is also a discovery, although foreign policy seems to be his work. The rest sit outlines, probably think that they reveal all the top secrets to them, if there was no Internet access. One dad seems to be in the subject, sometimes nods.
Well, the favorite feature of all the leaders, print at least 36 pins, but I won’t wear glasses. But in vain, ours would have gone.

[Rostislav Bely]

I already thought it would be more serious - about the 0,5 million Poles who served in the Wehrmacht ...
in the Wehrmacht (according to incomplete data, only Soviet troops captured 60 Wehrmacht troops - Poles by nationality; in a message to the British Parliament, it was noted that among the Wehrmacht soldiers whom the British troops captured in northwestern Europe, 272 were Poles)

In the photo, the same Joseph Tusk is the grandfather of the current head of the European Council. Photo of 1939.
"This image is provided by the German Federal Archives (Deutsches Bundesarchiv) as part of a cooperation project. The German Federal Archives guarantees the authenticity of the image using only the originals." The title of the photograph "Verhaftung von Juden" is the arrest of Jews. This group, apparently, searched for Jews in Gdansk and its environs and sent them to concentration camps.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes

Like cockroaches after dichlorvos! Before that they sat, feasted ....

[Tersky]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes

They don't need the truth. The truth is dangerous for them. It destroys the whole picture. But there is one "but". If you do not know the historical truth, or knowing it, distort, it has every chance of repeating itself.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes

In vain Stalin left Poland on a world map.

[svp67]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes

Everything is much more prosaic here ... as soon as Russia recognizes everything that Poland and the "free world" say, then the next step, after that "repent" will be PAY. Poland will DEMAND reparations

[Alexga]

Close this muddy complex and forget about Katyn and Psheks forever!

[Hunter 2]

All questions should be brought to Chamberlain for the Munich agreement ... well, to his own government - for participating in the "sharing" of Czechoslovakia.
The Poles are excited - It is interesting to see the answer of Our Foreign Ministry.

[Spartanez300]

The division of Czechoslovakia with the active participation of Poland.

[novel66]

even somewhere overexcited, it would be necessary
And the rope authorities
E7 Am
They inject us with a second injection.
Alex, hi!

[Hunter 2]

Greetings Roman! Yes, let him stand for himself ... well, we are not at war with the dead ... this is the lot of Vandals!

[novel66]

well, at least declare to the whole world that the Germans were killing the Poles and that they would have rolled off

[Hunter 2]

Here, I fully support you!
Plus ... somehow Seriously it is necessary to warn that tough measures will be taken for vandalism in relation to the Monuments to Our fallen Soldiers!

[novel66]

here, as it were - he promised measures, so take measures ... and with this we

[novel66]

and horseradish understand there? everything has been dismantled already, the memorial can be closed (and necessary)

[Pax tecum]

Curious quotes always relevant...

* In this case, Prague - the historical district of the Polish capital - was originally a suburb, now part of Warsaw.

[Ultima Ratio]

And what to understand? Captured Polish officers shot! After the occupation of Poland, clergy and officials were exiled to Siberia!

[Doctor]

And it’s very interesting, why is Israel silent on the topic ???

Have you read Mein Kampf? It's all about what kind of state Germany should be. And about the Jews 0,5%, and these topics have already been repeated many times in other sources. There is nothing to prohibit at all.
For example, for our current Lenin is 100 times worse:

And with higher employees, who are very few, but who are drawn to the capitalists, they will have to act, as with the capitalists, “in severity”. They, like the capitalists, will resist. This resistance will have to be broken, and if the immortally naive Peshekhonov was babbling back in June 1917, like a real “state infant,” that “the resistance of the capitalists was broken,” then the proletariat will carry out this childish phrase with childish boasting and boyish antics.

[Nick]

Quote: ROSS 42

Here it is more important to deal with Katyn.

We've figured it out a long time. The Germans shot everyone.

[Doctor]

We've figured it out a long time. The Germans shot everyone.

And they didn’t even make a secret. Felled from their walters. There would be no bullets from the TT in the graves to throw.

[Nick]

Quote: Arzt

We've figured it out a long time. The Germans shot everyone.

And they didn’t even make a secret. Felled from their walters. There would be no bullets from the TT in the graves to throw.

Yes, I also read about it somewhere. True, opponents claimed that the NKVD before the war bought a batch of Walters in Germany. But no one cited confirmation.

[Doctor]

Yes, I also read about it somewhere. True, opponents claimed that the NKVD before the war bought a batch of Walters in Germany. But no one cited confirmation.

About that and speech. As captain Zheglov used to say: "so the pistol, Volodya, will outweigh 100 thousand other pieces of evidence."
If Goebbels ordered to make a fake, then the Germans couldn’t leave bullets from the Walters in the graves. Already a couple of thousand rounds of ammunition from the TT by 1943 would have been found.

[knn54]

France and Great Britain The USSR (as opposed to Germany), until today ("the spirit of the times". However, the excuse from Munich) was not considered an aggressor.
Former Deputy Foreign Minister of France Alain Decaux (far from sympathy for the USSR) "Katyn. Stalin or Hitler?"

[Valery Valery]

There is one more point that must be taken into account when dealing with "great" Poland: the Poles, just like girls with low social responsibility, always fell under the strongest, and in their opinion this is an insulting, but correct policy .... And the gentry is fatally enraged that we, "Russian wool", do not do the same.

[RUSS]

Quote: Pessimist22

First, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.

It doesn’t matter who and when has bitten off anyone, but the fact that the entry of troops into Poland was a fact and the fact that Poland had its territory squeezed off, in fact, Poland ceased to exist in the year 39. Now, as before, power is interrupted by the fact that there was no government in Poland, etc., but we are not hyenas to pick up a half-dead victim.

[Pessimist22]

So they also bit off part of Ukraine and Belarus from half-dead Russia, so they got an answer, as we say, sow the wind, reap the storm.

[RUSS]

Quote: Pessimist22

So they also bit off part of Ukraine and Belarus from half-dead Russia, so they got an answer, as we say, sow the wind, reap the storm.

That’s what we are talking about, we just need to admit the fact that in Europe at that time it was customary and we did not appease the opportunity to pick up fellow countrymen, and there was no need to invent excuses.

[Lopatov]

Quote: RUSS

That’s what we’re talking about, you just have to admit the fact that in those days in Europe it was so

Well, then why are the Poles offended?
Managed to run into all neighbors except Romania, and bite off a piece of territory. In Germany, in Lithuania, in Belarus and Ukraine, in Czechoslovakia

Well, then they themselves ... bit. Moreover, the Allies scored a big bolt on them.

And of course Russia is to blame ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Pessimist22

sow the wind, reap the storm.

We violated the Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact of 1932 to sow the wind, and then we reaped the storm of the destroyed Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

[Paranoid50]

Quote: RUSS

We violated the Polish-Soviet agreement

All that you can violate is only traffic rules (if there is a "bucket") or the law on walking dogs (again, if present). And so yes: "The state is me!"

Quote: RUSS

sowing wind

Tellingly, many organisms that position themselves as "hyper-mega-Russian" do not really know their "native" language, and there is nothing to say about history.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Pessimist22

First, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.

It doesn’t matter who and when has bitten off anyone, but the fact that the entry of troops into Poland was a fact and the fact that Poland had its territory squeezed off, in fact, Poland ceased to exist in the year 39. Now, as before, power is interrupted by the fact that there was no government in Poland, etc., but we are not hyenas to pick up a half-dead victim.

If not for the USSR then Poland would not exist at all.

During the operation to liberate Poland, the Soviet Army suffered the following losses:
- in people - irrevocable - 477 295 people, sanitary - 1 636 165 people, total - 2 113 460 people;
- on airplanes - 2692 units, worth 963 620 000 rubles .;
- in tanks and self-propelled guns - 2966 units, worth 688 557 000 rubles .;
- in artillery weapons - 3960 units, worth 714 896 030 rubles .;
- in vehicles - 7605 units, worth 100 385 000 rubles .;

During the operation, the following was spent:
- Ammunition 69 161 wagons, cost 10 319 000 000 rub .;
- Aerial bombs - 27 412 tons, worth 137 060 000 rubles .;
- aviation cartridges and shells - 24 792 tons, cost 137 196 000 rubles .;
- fuel and lubricants - 992 906 tons, cost 697 666 000 rub .;
- medical property on 150 000 000 rub.
Losses of the Baltic Fleet:
- people - 560 people;
- aircraft - 129, cost 167 700 000 rub .;
- armored boats - 10 units worth 13 000 000 rubles .;
- submarines - 1, cost 18 000 000 rub.
The cost of the restoration of Polish railways for the period
1944 - 1945 amounted to 211 335 000 rubles.
In addition, 12 billion rubles were spent on the maintenance of the personnel of the Soviet troops participating in the liberation of Poland, its food and clothing allowance and utility costs.
Thus, the total cost of arms and material resources in monetary terms for the period of the liberation of Poland is 26 720 959 thousand rubles.
Colonel General Pokrovsky
12th of November 1956.

In addition, after the war, thanks to J.V. Stalin, Poland not only retained its statehood, but also grew into not small territories that were part of Germany. But as it turned out, "not a horse feed" - the Poles, like the Ukrainians, the people do not know gratitude. It was necessary to leave the Galicians as part of Poland and let them do what they love, selflessly spoil each other, without being distracted by Russia.

[Den717]

Quote: RUSS

but we are not hyenas to pick up a half-dead victim.

Unlike you, Stalin thought pragmatically in the interests of the state. Thanks to the movement of borders hundreds of kilometers to the West, Hitler's problem of occupation of the occupied territories of the western part of the USSR intensified. And the time that it took him to pass these annexed territories, oh, how not enough for him to solve the problem of occupying Moscow. It was by the time of approaching Moscow that our army and leadership had managed to organize the evacuation of production, mobilize resources, and organize defensive lines on the enemy's path. We can also add weather conditions that were not taken into account in Hitler's strategic planning. If it were not for the occupation of Western Ukrainian territories, everything could have been much worse. After all, Moscow is Moscow - the capital, a symbol of statehood, a global logistics center and much more, very significant for the peoples of the USSR, especially in times of war. And the speakers of your point of view, Putin correctly called "idiots" (as it was in his speech - just in case for the moderators ), who do not understand who and what they owe their existence to on Earth.

[Petrix]

Quote: RUSS

the entry of troops into Poland was a fact and a fact that the territory of Poland was squeezed

Quote: RUSS

It does not matter who and when has bitten off anyone

Decide.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

And who will remember the Soviet-Polish war and how did the Poles sign a declaration on the non-use of force between Germany and Poland?

[NKT]

There and Hungary bit Czechoslovakia with Poland

[parkello]

Hungarians have always been allies of Germany, and even Austria together existed .. as one state, Hungarians it is clear that ... and the Poles. rats are shameful.

[Ultima Ratio]

And then the USSR took a bite from Poland! Predators alone!

[Shelest2000]

It was not for nothing that Churchill called Poland the "hyena of Europe" after those events.
They were hyenas, they remained hyenas. They cannot be changed.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Pessimist22

First, Poland took a bite from Czechoslovakia with Germany

First, Poland bit off a piece of Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. Then a couple of pieces from Germany. Then a piece of Czechoslovakia.

[YOUR]

We can clearly see that the more time passes after a momentous event, the more any additions creep out that turn the event upside down. It will take some time and it turns out that it was the USSR that started the war, and Hitler was forced to deliver a preemptive strike to save Western civilization.
Already such voices appear.

[Alex Justice]

[quoteFirst, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.] [/ quote]
But the allies only watched and did not want to interfere.

[Fat]

Ah, leave it. War declared. Thus began the world war. The USSR entered the war later on the fact of the Reich aggression.

[wt100]

And as Czechoslovakia was torn, this Pshek don’t even remember, it’s possible, it’s permissible. But as affected by themselves, in adult games to answer - the guard!

[Tusv]

What to distort, then Poland and Germany began the Second World War by tearing Czechoslovakia among themselves to the sweet tales of Chamberlain: "I brought peace"

[Andrey Chistyakov]

The Polish "comrades" thought for a long time with the answer.
As a result, "I am neither me, nor my house" ....

[Aliken]

The Russian Foreign Ministry has no choice but to place archival documents on its website in order to shut up remodelers.

[Doctor]

The Russian Foreign Ministry has no choice but to place archival documents on its website in order to shut up remodelers.

Done. From November 7, 1917 to December 1943. But better not to read.

[cost]

The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin

That's why I am sincerely grateful to Putin
It would be a shame to cover the Yeltsin center. This will definitely arouse support among the majority of Russians and raise the president’s reputation

[Tusv]

And the regional army heroically fought against the Nazis in Iran

[Fat]

Do not confuse Anders' heroic army with AK. Anders heroically merged from the fronts of the Union. As soon as Churchill managed to get these pacifists to fight in Europe. Millions of Soviet rubles and the most advanced weapons that we lacked were spent on these soldiers. AK during the battles with the Wehrmacht destroyed about 2000 invaders and their accomplices. From 1939 to 1945. The success is impressive, our bandits in the nineties killed more people. AK bandits are, despite the ashes and diamonds.

[Granddad]

You to us psheki still for the desecration of the graves of our soldiers answer ..!
And even the stoves and anti-Semitism flourished in your country even after the 45th (troops were attracted, there were pogroms) ..
We all remember and the conversation will be sure ..

[Fedor Sokolov]

The evil Russophobian hyena Poland will someday inflate such a war in Europe, in the fire of which it itself will finally and irrevocably turn into ashes.

[Nick]

Quote: Fedor Sokolov

The evil Russophobian hyena Poland will someday inflate such a war in Europe, in the fire of which it itself will finally and irrevocably turn into ashes.

The fourth partition of Poland will simply happen.

[Fedor Sokolov]

No more sections needed! Poland must either become Russia’s friendly independent state or disappear from the world map.

[Doctor]

The fourth partition of Poland will just happen

And with whom will we share this time?

[Nick]

Quote: Arzt

And with whom will we share this time?

Germany will definitely participate, and perhaps Russia will take part of the Polish territories under its protection. Maybe France. But this is all theorizing on coffee grounds.

[Doctor]

Germany will definitely participate, and perhaps Russia will take part of the Polish territories under its protection. Maybe France.

No French are superfluous here. Only we and the Germans. Like good old times.

“Mr. Minister began the conversation with the message that he had informed the Fuehrer about the first conversation last night by sending him a detailed telegraphic report, after which he had a telephone conversation with him based on the report. The Fuehrer instructed him to convey his greetings to Messrs Stalin and Molotov and convey to them that he had thought through Stalin's proposal and joined his opinion. The Fuehrer also finds the division of the Polish ethnic space very dubious, as it could easily lead to friction between Germany and the Soviet Union, which should certainly be avoided. The Fuhrer shares Stalin's opinion that the Poles, in their traditional quest for reunification, will use all means to embroil Germany with the Soviet Union. Of course, one should not expect that this will cause serious differences of opinion between the two friendly states, but local difficulties are possible. Proceeding from this, the Fuehrer fundamentally agrees with the adoption of the so-called second version of Stalin, but with some minor corrections, which Mr. Minister is ready to show Stalin and Molotov on the map. Following this, Mr. Shaposhnikov, the Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army, appeared with extensive cartographic material. Then the discussion of the line of the final outline of the border began. This discussion took place in a very friendly atmosphere. Both sides defended their positions, but at the same time, compromise solutions were reached on less significant points. For example, Stalin rejected the German desire to own the city of Augustow, arguing with the interests of the Soviet Union in the railway passing here. At the same time, he took into account the German wishes to get the August forest and, in accordance with this, agreed with the corresponding transfer of the border to the south. "

[Fat]

And what? How did your Moldavia take place? The Baltic under-state was a small change before it was now.

[prior]

The Hyena of Europe was and will remain the first candidate country to become radioactive ash.
She chose this right for herself and constantly upholds it.

[Mountain shooter]

When the truth is not profitable, what should be done with it? To twist so that it becomes profitable! And the occupation of the Tishin region, and the chaos with the "Danzing corridor" after the promise of England and France to defend Poland ... And who did not let the Soviet troops through their territory when we offered Czechoslovakia assistance in defending against Germany? And now - who is the true provocateur of the war?

[Fedorov]

And is this nonsense on the world map still broadcasting something? "Iskander's spit if something happens .. Psheki uterus bozka ...

[andrey-ivanov]

The Polish hyena began to yap .. So, you see, Russia will come to the demand for compensation.

[Tusv]

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So, you see, and the demand for compensation from Russia will come.

No problem. We repay the debt with warheads

[Fat]

Do not they either break them or drink about ..)))

[Ru_Na]

To know history and tell the truth in the opinion of the Poles is a distortion of World War II ?! Warsaw apparently forgot what Churchill called Poland the hyena of Europe!

[kenig1]

"Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who" tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations. "How many hyenas do not feed .....

[K-50]

Russia deliberately distorts the beginning and course of World War II, providing the world with a false picture. With such a statement, the Polish Foreign Ministry commented on the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin about the Second World War.

As stated in the old Soviet comedy film: Excuse me, we have all the moves recorded!
There are archival documents confirming the correctness of Putin's words, clippings and filing of newspapers of that time, archival photographs.
So Psheks, you can’t turn your back on the Truth, as if a louse were depicted on a scallop.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: K-50

..... So psheks, do not get yourselves from the Truth, as if a louse were not depicted on a scallop.

Or a snake in a pan or a fly on glass or something low
social responsibility.

[Fat]

Oh well. What do the words of the country under sanctions mean, against the words of the European leader ..)))) Documents? Like a cartoon about Uncle Fedor. Mustache and tail, here are my documents (c) Matroskin (cat)
P. S. Well, I do not like bandits like Tadeusz Kosciuszko. Generally I do not like gangsters, any.

[orionvitt]

Of course, it’s easier to blame others, and quickly pretend to be “an innocent victim” yourself. And about the Hitler-Pilsudski pact, on January 26, 1934, do they want to tell you anything? I dare say, five years before what they say there.

[parusnik]

It wouldn’t be said that Poland, together with Germany, participated in the division of the Czechoslovak Pie, we explain why Germany entered into a Moscow treaty not to attack ... as if we were justifying ourselves ...

[Reptiloid]

how?---- somehow it as if is there anything superfluous, Alex?
Yes, indeed, why not say directly ---- Poland always wanted to expand its borders at the expense of its neighbors in any way. It is not clear ..... we are afraid of Polish sanctions, or what?

[kartalovkolya]

Well, what wretched ones to take from them: Europe divided this stupid state three times and only the kindness and generosity of Russia revived Poland again! Truly, if the Lord wants to punish someone, then he is losing his mind, which is very clearly visible on the Poles ...

[The Siberian barber]

... "at least spit in your eyes, everything is God's dew!" (c)

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Tusv

And the regional army heroically fought against the Nazis in Iran

Guarded the oil rigs? All the same from them "help" at the front as from the go ... to the bullet.

[Gennady Fomkin]

"The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who" tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations. " Polish Mead- the ultimate truth?

[rocket757]

Well, yes, yes, but did Czechoslovakia itself end? And who shared it with whom?

[lucul]

The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

Under the table )))))

[Gennady Fomkin]

1. 1933 year. Pact of Four (Italy, Germany, England, France).
The Pact of Four was an attempt to oppose the League of Nations with the "directory" of the four great powers seeking to subordinate the whole of Europe to their hegemony. Ignoring the Soviet Union, the four powers tried to pursue a policy of its isolation, while at the same time eliminating the rest of the European states from participating in solving European affairs. 2. Pilsudski-Hitler Pact (Germany, Poland).
Non-aggression pact between Germany and Poland. It was supplemented by an agreement on trade and shipping, separate agreements on issues of the press, cinema, broadcasting, theater, etc.
It was envisaged that the pact would remain in force even if one of the contracting parties entered the war with third states. 3. 1935 year. Anglo-German Maritime Agreement.
The British government satisfied Hitler's demand that "the power of the German fleet be 35% in relation to the total power of the British Empire." The proportion of 35: 100 was to be applied both to the total tonnage of the fleet, and to each class of ships.

[askort154]

The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

Oh, how you are missing Gorbachev and Yeltsin. So they did everything well for you, betraying their people and state. Once upon a time, the Russian patriot Susanin started
you into the swamp. And these two freaks, to your delight, led their country into a swamp.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Brief cheat sheet - which countries and when they entered into agreements and treaties with Hitler before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

1933 - Great Britain, France, Italy - pact of four
1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudski Pact
1935 - Great Britain - maritime agreement
1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern Pact
1938 - September, Great Britain - non-aggression declaration
1938 - December, France - non-aggression declaration
1939 - March, Romania - economic agreement
1939 - March, Lithuania - non-aggression pact
1939 - May, Italy - pact on union and friendship
1939 - May, Denmark - non-aggression pact
1939 - June, Estonia - non-aggression pact
1939 - June, Latvia - non-aggression pact
1939 - August, USSR - non-aggression pact

So, clearly. For the Polish Foreign Ministry. Well, in politics, sclerosis is very much in demand.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

The Polish "comrades" thought for a long time with the answer.
As a result, "I am neither me, nor my house" ....

And also the Bulgarian "brothers" who scream at every corner. What are they "good"

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: Tusv

And the regional army heroically fought against the Nazis in Iran

Guarded the oil rigs? All the same from them "help" at the front as from the go ... to the bullet.

author -> author -> author - Anders army was turned upside down in Iran: History gives smart people a chance to go around their favorite rake and step into the future at the next round, watching with a smile how former geopolitical opponents remain in the past and haters.

The history of relations between Russia and Poland is a series of continuous "undermining" on the same rake, and on both sides. Poland over and over again found another liberator "against the Russians" and, saying happily "Well, that's it, now you never again ...", received the full program - it was thrown by new allies and Russia got the nuts. Russia also stubbornly tried to "fit" Poland or some part of it to its body, not realizing that it was poison.

[Gennady Fomkin]

So a little about General Anders himself. It is important.

Born in Poland in 1892, was drafted into the Russian army, an officer, fought (World War I), was marked by command and sent to the General Staff Academy, which he completed on an expedited program before the February Revolution. He responded to the call of the Provisional Government in terms of continuing the war until victory and participated in the formation of Polish units. He was the chief of staff of the 1th Polish Division.

Curiously, another hero of Poland and also a "great friend" of the USSR, Bur-Komorowski, was on the other side of the front in those same years - he commanded a platoon in the Austrian army.

[Den717]

The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

Chatting with newspaper strips and the screen of the mind is not much. You bring real documents, make them public. Try to prove your point. At a meeting of CIS presidents, Putin documented his views on the role of Poland in the 30s and 40s. And gentlemen from Warsaw, do you have anything to refute? Stop balabolit, documents - in the studio ....

[Gennady Fomkin]

History gives smart people a chance at the next round to bypass their favorite rake and step into the future, watching with a smile, as former geopolitical opponents and haters remain in the past.

The history of relations between Russia and Poland is a series of continuous "undermining" on the same rake, and on both sides. Poland over and over again found another liberator "against the Russians" and, saying happily "Well, that's it, now you never again ...", received the full program - it was thrown by new allies and Russia got the nuts. Russia also stubbornly tried to "fit" Poland or some part of it to its body, not realizing that it was poison.



But the situation around Polish formations on the territory of the USSR itself is certainly amazing.

I just recommend studying the facts on your own. Especially those who believe in the "Katyn tragedy" and condemn the "treacherous stab in the back of Poland", which we call a liberation campaign.

.In Soviet sources, it was customary to depict the "liberation campaign" as "disarming" the remnants of the Polish army, during which the rest of the population waving flowers along the side of the road. This is not entirely true. There were battles, there were losses.

That's just in Lviv and its environs. And not only. According to official data of that time, the Red Army lost 787 people killed. Modern researchers double this figure

[Gennady Fomkin]

In August 1941, an amnesty was declared for Polish prisoners of war, exiles, etc. All this is within the framework of an agreement with the Sikorsky émigré government in London, which the British themselves barely persuaded not to rest and accept the conditions of the USSR. And then after all, they declared war on us. Right from there, from London.

ALL Polish soldiers released from camps and prisons received a one-time payment in accordance with the rank. Ordinary at 500r (you could buy a civilian suit and food for several days), and Anders himself already 25 thousand.

[Gennady Fomkin]

There were still certain supplies from the allies to the Poles, but scanty, mainly Anders's army was contained and equipped at the expense of the USSR. The exception was Polish Jews, who regularly received packages from America through the Joint (Jewish charity). By the way, looking ahead, we note about 10 thousand of this "contingent" after Anders and his army reached Palestine there and "stayed". Simply put, they deserted from the army. Among those who remained was someone named Begin (aka Mechislav Volfovich Begun), the future prime minister of Israel, and in 1943 the head of the underground Irgun organization and the ideologist of the terrorist war against the British administration. Among the glorious deeds of this structure, in particular, the explosion in the hotel "David" (Jerusalem). Here are the personnel trained)))

[Gennady Fomkin]

Having reached almost 100 thousand people and obviously not wanting to fight on the Soviet-German front, the Polish group became a clearly threatening factor and a burden for the USSR (more than 400 million rubles were spent on the maintenance of these warriors). Stalin spoke in the style of "we can do without you" and allowed the complete withdrawal of Anders' army to Iran, closer to their beloved British. Many thousands of civilians left with the army. The British even developed a variant of the preemptive "occupation" of the oil-bearing regions of the Caucasus "so that the Germans did not get it." And again, the "preemptive" neutralization of the French fleet in the colonies, which was accompanied by clashes and mutual casualties, is a historical fact. So there is no need to doubt, the British are still allies.

[Gennady Fomkin]

This is a long-playing topic, I mentioned it only because when the Anders Army began to be assembled, it included the same bastards, cowards and looters. The Polish units in the USSR who were engaged in natural robbery. With Soviet citizens, they behaved like residents of the country they occupied. Robberies, robberies, selection of cattle from the population and collective farms ...
Cream of society, the Polish elite! The USSR insisted that the Poles begin to fight, but they all the time found excuses: they say, weapons are still not delivered, people are not equipped and hungry. Stalin suggested that the Sikorsky Poles work and grow their modest havchik. To which Sikorsky proudly replied, the “Anders Army” is not, for some reason, God forgive me, lapniks, but real military professionals.

[Gennady Fomkin]

And the Anders army took a real battle near the Italian monastery of Monte Cassino. This is one of the most shameful pages of the military history of our allies. This is European Pussy.
Let the monastery, which by agreement, no one was supposed to occupy, the Allies hollowed, crushed, until, finally, the Germans climbed into the ruins. Then the allies, including the Poles, went on the assault. They went shamefully - they lost 924 killed. These were their biggest losses during the war!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Not sickly yet the guys settled down. They starved the starving Russians at the most difficult time for them, then went to the Middle East, where on the expanses of the upcoming kebbutz, they restored their health for four years. And then they sent a little disgrace ...
Polish elite! Professionals!

[Fat]

Thanks, Gennady. So in detail about the heroism of the Poles in the war for independence, it would take me a couple of days. True, no laughing matter

[Alexander S.]

From the point of view of Poland .. we attacked them. From our point of view ... we pushed the border back ... and returned part of the lost, to which we had every right by the right of the strong ... and both of these points of view have the right to life ... because everyone has their own truth. But our truth is closer, of course, to us. What is the argument then ..

[Dizel200]

Why listen to inadequate, rewriting history in their own way all the nonsense? If our vision of history is supported by some kind of documents, then how will those who rewrite this story in their own way prove their arguments? Is there concrete evidence? We’ll listen to your story. No? Only inflamed consciousness? Go forest to the doctor.

[sagitch]

A normal wave was raised by President Putin, now the Poles, and some of ours at least look into historical documents.

[Sapsan136]

The Second World War began with the conspiracy of Hitler and Poland and their joint occupation of Czechoslovakia ... A joint campaign of Poland and Hitler against the USSR was planned, but Poland decided to bend its fingers to Hitler's demands, not realizing that the six did not have the right to demand something from the godfather ... for this, she immediately received kicks from Adolf ...

[Strashila]

"At the same time, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs emphasizes that in the 30s of the last century Poland sought to build normal relations with both the USSR and Germany," I don’t know how with Germany, but in 38, Poland, in violation of international law, refused to let Soviet troops to provide assistance to Czechoslovakia and she herself took part in its occupation. Like now they want to say that it was not?

[Doctor]

but in the 38th, Poland in violation of international law refused to let in the troops of the USSR to assist Czechoslovakia

Would you agree to let a couple of millions of Chinese troops into the battle with Europe through the territory of Russia?

[Ham]

Poles, as always, are the most injured in the world ... they only delicately remain silent about their tricks and about the fact that they live and breathe (and have their current borders!) exclusively thanks to Comrade Dzhugashvili and the Russian people ...
and after the next section, anal pains again begin with shouts: "they gave the wrong one!"
it’s not good to bite the hand that feeds you and spit in the well from which you drink ... not in a Christian way ...
it is already possible to outline the circle of countries that will be divided during the next division of Europe - this is of course Ukraine, as well as the river’s Commonwealth ... well, the Baltic tig ... limitrophs ...
no need to interfere with the guys just need to give them a rope so that they would strangle on it as in 1939

[NordUral]

They returned their, and not all.

[Shock.]

Ah, well, Poland doesn’t manage to pretend to be a fluffy pink bunny. Do not forbid the truth, it still strives to get out and spoil the picture!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Dizel200

Why listen to inadequate, rewriting history in their own way all the nonsense? If our vision of history is supported by some kind of documents, then how will those who rewrite this story in their own way prove their arguments? Is there concrete evidence? We’ll listen to your story. No? Only inflamed consciousness? Go forest to the doctor.

There are documents and not only, having published these documents our "partners" will have enough heart attack.

[Doctor]

There are documents and not only, having published these documents our "partners" will have enough heart attack.

Yeah. And they are already made public.
http://dvp.sssr.su/
Read volumes 22 and 23. And links at the end of the volumes. From January 1, 1939 to June 22, 1941. Just stock up on nitroglycerin.

[vanavatny]

the Poles are not to blame, the Poles of the victim, the Poles are good, they are even ready to return property to thousands of exterminated Jews (and not only), unless, of course, they saved the relevant documents after passing Auschwitz, Belzec, Majdanek, Treblinka, Chelmno ... But after that wars were atrocious against both Jews and Germans, but it’s all so inconvenient that they themselves believe in the stained image of innocent victims, but how, interestingly, they managed to create a mono-ethnic state?

[demo]

The logic of the Poles is over the top.
They simply take out of context the historical situation that was.
In 17, the Kingdom of Poland was sent for free bread.
Here is independence for you. Live as you want.
And it’s bad to live with pans without grabbing. I can not.
In the 20s, they grabbed both Western Ukraine and Western Belarus.
Weak Russia could not oppose anything.
Further Poland Pilsudski decided not to stop there.
And she began to hatch plans for the restoration of the Commonwealth "from border to border."
There was even talk of Poland joining a club of countries with their own colonies.
More than 1000000 Poles entered the society of colonists.
That's how bursting them!
Then they sniffed with Hitler.
And the partition of Czechoslovakia began.

And how to relate to such a neighbor.
Suppose Hitler occupied all of Poland.
Definitely, the masses of Poles would not only resist the invaders, but also join the ranks of the Wehrmacht (which was).
Defending itself by preventive actions, Russia returned the original Russian lands. And nothing more.
And the returned lands were a kind of buffer between us and Germany.
Any other interpretations are not acceptable.

[Doctor]

Suppose Hitler occupied all of Poland.
Definitely, the masses of Poles would not only resist the invaders, but also join the ranks of the Wehrmacht (which was).

He wouldn’t have climbed to Poland if there hadn’t been for the MR pact. As soon as we refuse to sign it, the history of Europe and the USSR would go a different way.

[demo]

History does not like the subjunctive mood - what would happen if ......
Your opinion is diametrically opposite to mine.
But both yours and mine cannot change the course of history.
This is the first.

Hitler did not set out to conquer Poland, but to destroy the USSR.
The presence of a buffer state impeded the implementation of global plans.
Fighting with a neighbor through a neighbor is the same as having sex in a hammock.

[Doctor]

History does not like the subjunctive mood - what would happen if ......
But both yours and mine cannot change the course of history.

But you write

Suppose Hitler occupied all of Poland.

I do not catch you by the word, I just also guess if he would dare to attack or not.

And you are right, we cannot change the course of history, but we can draw conclusions from it.
For example, now we have relations with Ukraine, as then with Poland. Perhaps Belarus will soon be against us. And we, as then we hate the Anglo-Saxons and are drawn to the Teutons, who never considered us to be people.
For centuries, we have been skillfully pitted with fraternal Slavic neighbors, playing on our imperial manners and scaring them with us. And we are being led, constantly repeating about hyenas and threatening to drive everyone to hell.
Every time someone calls the Poles hyenas and psheks, they put a plus sign in the State Department.

[demo]

I had something else in mind.
That is what the Kremlin reasoned.
And it was precisely to such conclusions that Stalin and the Politburo arrived.
And what you carefully read is a big plus.

[Chaldon48]

History is dead, survivors say for it, if it was relatively recently, and documents. It's good if these are documents from the state archives, otherwise a lot of "documents" from private collections have already appeared, which need to be checked and verified.

[Eug]

German aggression began on 01.09, thereby starting the GERMAN - POLISH war. This war became a world war on September 03.09, when England and France declared war on Germany. And on September 17.09, the Red Army entered the territories of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, brazenly torn away by the same Poles. So, chronologically, the USSR entered into a world war that was already underway. Well, who said that the USSR should have considered Hitler’s Germany, which at that time had no military conflicts with it, as an enemy, and not Poland, which had seized part of its historical territory?

[Doctor]

So, chronologically, the USSR entered into a world war that was already underway. Well, who said that the USSR should have considered Hitler's Germany as an enemy?

That was the plan.
What enemies, of course partners.

TELEGRAM OF THE Plenipotentiary REPRESENTATIVE OF THE USSR IN GERMANY A. A. SHKVARTSEV TO THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE USSR V. M. MOLOTOV
5 September 1939 of
Out of turn. Owls secretly

At 16 o'clock. On September 5, Purkaev and Pavlov visited Brauchitsch. I convey the contents of the conversation.
Brauchitsch: “The German army is advancing on Polish territory. Everything goes according to plan".
Purkaev: “Knowing the history of the German army, its accuracy, I have no doubt that its actions were strictly according to plan.”
Brauchitsch: “In 1931 I was at maneuvers in Moscow and Minsk. Saying goodbye to one senior commander of the Red Army, I said: I hope to meet in Warsaw in the near future.”
Purkaev: “I understand you in such a way that you expressed confidence in the strength of the Red Army and the German army.”
Brauchitsch: “Will the Polish army be disarmed when it withdraws beyond the line towards the borders of the Soviet Union?”
Purkaev: “The specific situation will promptly prompt specific decisions from my command. I will convey your question verbatim to my command.”
Brauchitsch: “Will they be so disarmed that they will not be able to act? Will they be considered prisoners of war?
Purkaev: “I don’t know in history that disarmed troops could act as an armed force: I believe that my command in due time, depending on the specific situation, will make its decision, of which I will inform you.”
.Brauchich: “But keep in mind that half the way from the west remains to Warsaw, that is, about 100 km. On the East Prussian side, even less.”
Purkaev: “I will immediately convey your question to my command and hope that the answer will come immediately.”
This ended the conversation. I ask you to convey the present to Voroshilov and give an answer to what was indicated for Purkaev. Purkaev asks which communication line—mine or the military attache’s—to transmit such reports.
Plenipotentiary

[Kibl]

The Polish swamp began to seethe. The stench spread across Europe again!

[Avior]

The beginning of the Second World War was officially recorded in the most official results of the Second World War in Europe - the decisions of the Potsdam Conference and the Nuremberg Tribunal, taking into account the previous conference and the system of treaties associated with them, clearly recognized by all and officially accepted and approved.
It is Germany that is clearly recognized as the culprit of the beginning of World War II, and no one else.
IMHO, insisting on other interpretations is revisionism of the official results of World War II, and if the situation on this topic is shaken up, there is no telling where it will lead, and the cancellation of which results and decisions may end.
the official results of World War II must be maintained unshakable; their revision should not be allowed, even if someone wants it

[Victorio]

system practiced in the West. they take in quantity, so that the Polish average does not have any doubts about Russia’s aggressiveness

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Strashila

"At the same time, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs emphasizes that in the 30s of the last century Poland sought to build normal relations with both the USSR and Germany," I don’t know how with Germany, but in 38, Poland, in violation of international law, refused to let Soviet troops to provide assistance to Czechoslovakia and she herself took part in its occupation. Like now they want to say that it was not?

Protocol of interrogation of Luftwaffe Lieutenant General A. Gerstenberg on August 17, 1945 Question: It is known that Goering often visited Poland. Was he really only interested in hunting in Poland?

Answer: Goering often traveled to Poland and other countries to hunt, but in reality he was not so much interested in hunting as in carrying out political tasks under this pretext. Before I left for Poland, Goering told me that he would go to Poland to hunt and make my task easier.

Indeed, in 1938 Goering came to Poland, where he hunted with the Polish Foreign Minister Beck. During this hunt, Goering gave Beck a check for 300 marks, after which Beck began to actively maintain friendship with Germany.

Question: How do you know that Goering bribed Beck?

Answer: I learned that Beck was bribed by Goering from the German ambassador to Poland, Moltke*3, who participated in the hunt. In this regard, Moltke said that Beck would not escape from our hands.

[ljoha_d]

Everything has been turned upside down for the Poles, now the coming New Year has gone down the drain, they will digest it

[avdkrd]

Poland does not have the moral right to even mention the pre-war situation or even comment on the actions of other countries in the context of a conspiracy with Hitler. Even if we discard the fact that at the time of the entry of the Red Army there was no government in Poland, there are still many factors that provide justification for the introduction of USSR troops.
1. Territorial claims following the lost military campaign of 1919-1921, when vast territories of Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania were ceded to Poland.
2. Poland, literally a year before its fiasco, participated in the plunder and destruction of Czechoslovak statehood. This is Churchill’s assessment and the Poles simply need to be reminded who deserved the status of “Jackal of Europe”

[Zomanus]

Istria is generally such an interesting science. She can be used like a whore, from all sides, and it will be pleasant everywhere. Pay historians, and now you have a completely different point of view on the same events...
So here it is important to bend to your point of view, without looking at others.

[eagle owl]

They were offended that they were reminded of their intention to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw for the final solution to the Jewish question

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Arzt

There are documents and not only, having published these documents our "partners" will have enough heart attack.

Yeah. And they are already made public.
http://dvp.sssr.su/
Read volumes 22 and 23. And links at the end of the volumes. From January 1, 1939 to June 22, 1941. Just stock up on nitroglycerin.

So what? A hyena is a hyena.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Arzt

but in the 38th, Poland in violation of international law refused to let in the troops of the USSR to assist Czechoslovakia

Would you agree to let a couple of millions of Chinese troops into the battle with Europe through the territory of Russia?

Easily

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: andrey-ivanov

The Polish hyena began to yap .. So, you see, Russia will come to the demand for compensation.

Why the hell did they give up?

[Gennady Fomkin]

In general ..., I represent the most "true" Polish newspapers, look, read, be surprised ...

WARSAW COURIER
dated September 1, 1939.

"Gangster raid of the German army without declaring war on the lands of the Polish Republic"

Message from the President of the Republic

Citizens of the Republic!

Tonight, our eternal enemy began daring actions before the Polish State, what I say before God and history. At this moment in history, I appeal to all citizens of the State in the deep conviction that the whole Nation will defend its freedom, independence and honor, concentrate around the Chief Leader and the Armed Forces, and also give a worthy response to the attack, as has already been done more than once in the history of the Polish-German relationships. The whole Polish People, blessed through God, in the struggle for their holy and right cause, united with the Army, will go shoulder to shoulder in battle to complete victory.

My comment: The following surprised me. The Polish leader, who was previously friends with Germany and made friendly speeches, now calls Germany an “eternal enemy.” And then the Polish leader emphasizes that the people will give the Germans “a worthy response to the attack, as has been done many times in the history of Polish-German relations”... When did the Poles defeat the Germans? http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/189/64151693.jpg

[Gennady Fomkin]

WARSAW NATIONAL DIARY.
dated September 1, 1939.

"France and England: if Germany does not withdraw its troops, then Poland's allies will fulfill their obligations (will go to war with Germany)"

My comment: the article is large, what is said and promised by Halifax and Daladier. The whole point boils down to the fact that "everyone will tear Germany like a heating pad."

Next... Interesting article. News from Tokyo. Tokyo condemned the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR. Tokyo believes that by doing so, Germany violated its agreements with Japan. Japan believes that this removes its obligations to Germany. Currently, Japan is going to solve problems in China and the Far East (we know that this is the occupation of these territories, we remember Khalkin-Gol and Khasan). The Poles write that the Japanese press is full of anti-German speeches.

[Gennady Fomkin]

WARSAW NATIONAL DIARY.
dated September 3, 1939.

"Military Messages"

"Second message from the General Staff - we destroyed 100 tanks and 37 German aircraft"

"Germany bombing civilians"

My comment: Two tiny articles from the front, one about the number of Germans killed and one about the defense of Westerplatto. All! These are all reports from the front! Stunned! Further, the ENTIRE newspaper is devoted to the politicians of England, France and America ... what they say, who says and where they say ... One water and a political stench ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

VILNIUS NEWSPAPER.
dated September 3, 1939.

“The same thing - we destroyed 100 German tanks and 37 German planes!”

"The German population is in a panic!"
The German population is afraid in a panic and is preparing for the raids of the valiant Polish aviation, especially after 16 German aircraft were shot down after the first German raid on Poland.

"Punishment death or prison"
The German government is afraid of international public opinion. Germans are prohibited from listening to foreign radio under penalty of punishment. It must be emphasized that such draconian means have never been used by any government in the world in a state of war.

My comment: There are fewer stories about politics here. Mostly general words about the war. Well, how are things in the Polish army? Not a word! And we know that on the third day there were no more planes left in the Polish army....

[Gennady Fomkin]

MINUTE
dated September 6, 1939.

"A raid of 30 Polish bombers on Berlin!"

"The Sagfried Line is broken in 5 places!"

"German troops flee in panic"

"French troops entered the Saar basin"

Below is an article that Japan and Yugoslavia declared themselves neutrals in the German-Polish war. That is, they do not care.

My comment: So I won’t translate the Polish joyful news about the bombing of Berlin by Polish aviation and the flight of the German army - this is pure nonsense and verbal masturbation.

[Gennady Fomkin]

WARSAW EVENING
dated September 12, 1939.

Headings:

"German troops defeated and retreating from Warsaw!"

"The enemy is retreating!"

"Viva Poland!"

"Order of the French Commander-in-Chief"

"More and more English troops in France"

"The Germans are like the Tatars" (Familiar as!!!!)

[Gennady Fomkin]

WARSAW NATIONAL DIARY.
dated September 14, 1939.

"Lodz is in Polish hands - recaptured by a gallant attack"

"The Pomeranian and Poznan armies united near Kutnya"

Again they look into Chamberlain's mouth. Print about his speech. They write that Chamberlain devoted most of his speech to Poland. He said that the Poles had shown a superhuman temper that had never been seen in History. He emphasized that the English fleet had already completed its first task and cut off Germany from all seas, thus stopping numerous ships with a total tonnage of 1.500.000 tons. Chamberlain also expressed his gratitude to the Polish Navy. The speech was received in Poland with applause.

Here's an interesting article. "German bombers with Polish markings attacked Soviet territory." According to the article, Moscow radio reported that several Polish bombers had invaded Soviet territory and bombed villages. This is not the only case... Further, the Polish newspaper writes that they were Germans with Polish identification marks....

My comment: Please note that the Polish side does not provide an official denial that it was not the Poles who bombed... And by the way. I looked at the messages of our border guards during this period. Border guards report on command about violations of the USSR state border by Polish military aircraft. In particular, I cite: Yampolsky border detachment. A Polish reconnaissance plane violated Soviet airspace in the area of ​​Teofipol, in the area of ​​the Stepanovka border post. In the region of the village of Didkovtsy, 2 km south of the city of Yampol on Soviet territory, a Polish P-13 training aircraft from the Radom Military Pilot School made an emergency landing. Soviet border guards detained 2 Polish pilots. Olevsky border detachment. Three heavy twin-engine aircraft, violating the Soviet-Polish border from the southwest, dropped 5 bombs on a railway station 12 km east of Olevsk, without causing damage, after which they went deep into Soviet territory along the railway line. The identity of the aircraft has not been established. Yampolsky border detachment. At the Baymachi border post, Soviet fighters forcibly landed a Polish twin-engine bomber P-3L-37 of the 1st Warsaw Air Regiment that violated the Soviet-Polish border. The crew of the plane (4 people) was captured: second lieutenants Dlugosh and Sabanitsky, corporal Matusiak, senior soldier Kolodzik.

So the facts are clear...

[Gennady Fomkin]

MORNING EXPRESS
dated September 17, 1939.

"The Polish-English fleet and the Polish-French aviation set heavy losses for Germany"

"The German General Staff ordered the troops occupying Poland to hurry"

Here are two small articles:

"German plane shot down over Russia"
16 of September. Moscow. A German bomber was shot down over Russian territory near Kyiv. The pilots escaped by parachute. They are interned.

"The Germans shot down a Red Cross plane"
16 of September. London. An American Red Cross plane bound for Poland was shot down by the Germans and all the passengers were killed.

My comment: Here they obviously lied about the planes ... Already near Kyiv, a German bomber. Then the American plane was shot down. Aha! Right now! Yes, here the Americans would have raised such a stench and already bombed Germany for real, and not in Polish tales!

[eagle owl]

Even in the 40th year of the last century, Petrov and Boshirov were running around Europe and planting fake photographs in the archives

[Ros 56]

Well, what can these descendants of the hyena know about WWII? They couldn’t protect themselves, if it weren’t for the USSR they simply wouldn’t exist.

[Swed]

There is a question: What the hell. were the authorities silent when in Europe they were making up their own history in full (I’m generally silent about the USA), throwing mud at Russia at every opportunity? Entire generations have grown up confident in the exceptional correctness of an alternative history, where Russia is assigned the role of a country of absolute evil. Now we are reaping what they sowed and we didn’t seem to notice.

[NF68]

They distorted it, they didn’t distort it, but for their arrogance without borders and edges, the noble lords will receive all sorts of lyuli for a very long time. Apparently, this is their “fate”.

[Alevil]

The Jackal of Europe never learned anything...

[razved]

The psheks began to move. They were afraid that everyone would recognize their jackal essence! Otherwise they pretend to be poor sheep...

[NF68]

Quote: razved

The psheks began to move. They were afraid that everyone would recognize their jackal essence! Otherwise they pretend to be poor sheep...

Anyone who wants to know what Poland was before and what it is now already knew/knows quite well.

[Kostadinov]

Arrogance should have some kind of boundaries.
1. Poland gained independence from Soviet power from Lenin.
2. Polish gratitude was reflected in the invasion of Ukraine and Belarus, including the temporary occupation of Kyiv.
3. Poland occupied most of what is today Ukraine and Belarus for 20 years.
4. Thanks to the USSR and Stalin, Poland today is on the world map from the border to the Oder.
Monuments to Lenin, Stalin and the Red Army should stand in the center of Warsaw.

[starshina78]

Throughout their history, the Poles have played the role of “venal whores”; whoever pays them the most, they give themselves to him. I studied with the Poles and can speak about them from my own experience. I have never met people like the Poles - snitching, corruption, deceit, envy and greed are their main qualities.

[Fat]

Hitlerite Germany and the Soviet Union of Lenin and Stalin consistently sought to overthrow the Versailles order in Europe and impose their orders on other European nations. The Second World War began with the aggression of Germany and the Soviet Union on Poland in 1939
Nude, nude ..
Read the details... And then the archives surfaced... I don’t even know where the Polish conscience is buried. No! They don't bury them, they hide them! We remember, the Poles remember.?
How the Czechs were "driven".... From to...
Everything is complicated, I don’t think consensus is close. Yalta and Podsdam. Strongholds of peacebuilding... Do you want to challenge?
Argue!

[Metallurg_2]

in undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors - Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin

Yes, the achievements of both Herods are colossal.