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Poland accused Russia of distorting the picture of World War II

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Poland accused Russia of distorting the picture of World War II

Russia deliberately distorts the beginning and course of World War II, providing the world with a false picture. With this statement, the Polish Foreign Ministry commented on the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin about the Second World War, posting it on the official website of the Polish Foreign Ministry.


We note with concern and distrust statements by representatives of the authorities of the Russian Federation, including President Vladimir Putin, regarding the outbreak and course of World War II, which represent a false picture of events

- said in a statement.

At the same time, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs emphasizes that in the 30s of the last century Poland sought to build normal relations with the USSR and Germany, which "acted together to the detriment of the republic." And the prelude to armed aggression against Poland of the Third Reich and the USSR was their mutual agreement of August 23, 1939, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

Hitlerite Germany and the Soviet Union of Lenin and Stalin consistently sought to overthrow the Versailles order in Europe and impose their orders on other European nations. The Second World War began with the aggression of Germany and the Soviet Union on Poland in 1939

- stated in the Polish Foreign Ministry.

The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

At a press conference, Vladimir Putin recalled that the Soviet Union was the last European state to sign a non-aggression pact with Germany, also known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and the Soviet troops entered Poland in accordance with these agreements, but "after the Polish government has lost control over its armed forces and what is happening on the territory of Poland, and itself was already somewhere in the region of the Polish-Romanian border. "

Note that the official position of Poland - the USSR attacked Poland in 1939 together with Hitler Germany.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 22 December 2019 09: 14
    +70
    First, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 December 2019 09: 17
      +19
      It is more important to deal with Katyn. And the "Great History of the Patriotic War of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" as presented by the authors is simply annoying ...
      1. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 22 December 2019 09: 18
        +42
        Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes yes
        1. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 22 December 2019 09: 48
          +39
          By sending troops to the eastern regions of Poland, the Soviet leadership set out to eliminate the consequences of the Riga Treaty of 1921, to return the territories captured by the Polish army during the war against Soviet Russia in 1920, and to reunite the divided peoples (Ukrainians and Belarusians).
          As a result of the Polish campaign of 1939 there was a reunion of divided peoples - Ukrainians and Belarusians. It was not ethnic Polish lands that were annexed to the USSR, but territories inhabited mainly by Eastern Slavs (Ukrainians and Belarusians). In November 1939, they became part of the Ukrainian SSR and the Belarusian SSR. The territory of the USSR increased by 196 thousand square meters. km, and the population - by 13 million people. Soviet borders moved 300-400 km to the west.
          It is sometimes said that the USSR and Germany conspired to seize Poland together. But this is a lie: Soviet troops entered Poland after Poland had lost the German war. And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.
          1. lucul
            lucul 22 December 2019 10: 10
            +47
            Sending troops .....

            And why was the footcloth to write? )))
            In short - Poland occupied the lands of Western Ukraine and Belarus in 1919.
            In 1939, the USSR returned these lands back exactly to the border of historical Poland))) ....
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 22 December 2019 10: 27
              +18
              The German attack on Poland began with a provocation - German soldiers dressed in Polish uniform attacked a German radio station.
              That it was a provocation, learned later.
              About what "building peaceful relations"We can talk if at first everyone believed in the provocation, including the Poles.
              Poland spoiled Germany wherever possible, encouraged by England.
              1. About 2
                About 2 22 December 2019 13: 14
                +3
                Your truth, the Germans could not forget them even after the war of their antics. In the same GDR in entertainment establishments where Polish traders went to dine, there were often fights between Poles and Germans.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 22 December 2019 17: 28
                  +14
                  The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

                  Gorbachev and Yeltsin did not at all try to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations, but vilely and sneakily surrendered the true history of the USSR / Russia for their beloved and their privileged position in the West and in their country.
                  At the same time, Gorbachev was essentially an agent of American and English intelligence, and EBN was just an eabuldyga-drunkard who wrested personal power in the country from the hands of Gorbachev! And acted Gorbachev and Yeltsin in the collapse of the country and the elimination of the USSR
                  Both Gorbach and EBN are state criminals, treasonmen and enemies of the people!

                  It is necessary to deprive Gorbachev's Russian pension (750 thousand rubles per month) and illegal benefits and pensions to their families! Stop mocking the people - the Russians - and our country!

                  Heroes-traitors of the USSR #Mikhail Poltoranin # USSR # KGB # Gorbachev # Yeltsin # RazvalSSSSR • Published: Nov 9. 2019 year
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 22 December 2019 17: 54
                    +7
                    Poland accused Russia of distorting the picture of World War II

                    And the reason for the distortion by the Poles of the WWII picture was falsified precisely by Gorbachev himself and A. Yakovlev. Gorbachev, whom the liberal power of the Russian Federation will still bury with military honors and at the expense of the peoples of Russia!

                    By the way, it was Gorbachev who created CORRUPTION in the highest echelons of power in the USSR, breaking the USSR State Bank into pieces and ALLOWING OFFICIALS IN 1989 TO JOIN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF FOREIGN BANKS and receive BONUSES there (from a million dollars).
                    Those. exactly Gorbachev purposefully created a corruption scheme for the export of capital ... Gorbachev corruption scheme It is valid today !!!
                    In other words, it was Gorbachev who created the Corruption Scheme of DECOMPOSITION OF STATE OFFICIALS!

                    M. Gorbachev - Agent of influence of Britain and the USA (MI-6 and the CIA) Published: Sep 12, 2019
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 22 December 2019 17: 13
                +5
                German attack on Poland began with a provocation


                It was a carefully prepared operation, codenamed "Gleiwitz", carried out by Reinhard Heydrich's security forces (SD). Directly in command of the group was SS-Sturmbannführer Alfred Naujöx, who after the war wrote the book "Operation Gleiwitz, or How I Started World War II". Later, the film "Operation Gleiwitz" was shot in the GDR, those who are interested can watch it now, everything is detailed there.
                1. ship
                  ship 22 December 2019 18: 52
                  +3
                  The development and implementation of the operation in Gleivitz belongs to Müller. 0n was responsible for the delivery of corpses of prisoners of concentration camps (“canned food”) and
                  coordinating the actions of SS groups depicting German border guards and Polish soldiers who allegedly attacked a customs point in Hohlinden.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 December 2019 19: 00
                    +2
                    Well, as far as I can judge from the book of Naujöks, there was only one corpse there, they took a young Pole from the camp, "de-energized" with an injection, dressed in a Polish military uniform and shot dead on the territory of the radio station. A corpse without a pool of blood under it looks somewhat unnatural, you must agree. Therefore, Naujöx demanded for himself a carbine from those with which the German border guard was armed, for greater reliability, if some kind of expertise is required. I am inclined to trust him more than anyone else, there was no point in lying, when the book was written, everything was over long ago.
                    Yes, and there is not a word about Mueller.
                    1. ship
                      ship 22 December 2019 19: 09
                      +1
                      "about Mueller" and not only - http://genadiafanassjev.blogspot.com/2011/06/blog-post_6372.html
                2. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 22 December 2019 23: 32
                  0
                  Read the memoirs of Walter Schellenberg. He and his subordinates were developing the operation. Whoever performed on the ground is the second thing. And they developed intelligence intelligence.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 23 December 2019 02: 45
                    +1
                    Good night, Alex. hi
                    If you mean Schellenberg's Labyrinth, then I read it. I wrote that it was all the work of SD. There was another interesting book from the early sixties by the GDR writer and journalist Julius Madera called "The Man with the Scar". It is, so to speak, "dedicated" to Skorzeny, but there are other interesting details as well. Around the same time, the book "Operation Bernhard" was published about the production of counterfeit money in the Reich during the war. The author is Walter Hagen, but this is the pseudonym of Sturmbannführer Wilhelm Höttl from the same SD. These guys have mischievous enough during the war, one plus, slightly undermined the financial system of Britain, it's a pity just not to the end. You may have already read them, but if not, then find them, they probably are on the net.
                    I’m sitting here with my cat at the monitor, insomnia sickened (though me alone). smile
                3. maidan.izrailovich
                  maidan.izrailovich 23 December 2019 07: 28
                  +1
                  It was a carefully prepared operation, codenamed "Gleiwitz", carried out by security personnel (SD) ....

                  There is another, little-known version of those events.
                  According to this version, there really was an attack by the Poles. And the British secret services stood behind it. London, by the plague, needed a war with Hitler. Well, naturally, not with your own hands. By 1939, they realized in London that the Fuhrer had to be stopped (taken under control). The choice fell on obedient Poland. By that time, a treaty of mutual assistance had been concluded between London and Warsaw in case of war. But from the first day everything went wrong. The Poles failed the provocation. The Germans worked perfectly. And the first to start the fighting. And to the unpleasant surprise of London, the Polish army was indecently weak.
                  And all these German memoirists after the war wrote their memoirs under the strict control of the British. And naturally they said what London needed.
                  I don’t know how true this version is, but given the Anglo-Saxons craving for behind-the-scenes problem-solving, this could well have been.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 23 December 2019 07: 45
                    +1
                    Oh, these damned British, no matter what happens in the world, they are to blame for everything. laughing
              3. Fat
                Fat 1 January 2020 02: 33
                0
                Operation "Canned Food" Many people remember. Polish bullshit in exile continued to break ambitions even with no support. I would like to briefly. Well, the Polish zholnezh did not want to fight with Germany ... Question !? Or is it love before the shooting.!? Even the Polish corps had to be shaken up by the British to the front. These people stole the best weapons from our country and merged. This is in 41 42. The country fed and armed them better than the VDK. Well, I'll be brief, a curse ...
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 22 December 2019 10: 42
              +7
              Quote: lucul
              Sending troops .....

              And why was the footcloth to write? )))

              Vitaly, why are you strangling a genius in the bud? Maybe we are witnessing the birth of a new Pushkin or Lermontov? wink
              Vitya, my advice. Never stop a man. Well, unless of course he is a criminal or rapist.
              1. Fat
                Fat 1 January 2020 02: 45
                0
                I respect the opinion that is. Aloysych kiss on the lips? Not yet convicted? For me, at first it was less to lie, and only then on the hill.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 22 December 2019 12: 13
              +3
              Quote: lucul
              In short - Poland occupied the lands of Western Ukraine and Belarus in 1919.

              For this, she received an answer in 1939. What did they think with impunity all will pass to them? And they got it in full. For 70 years they sat and did not blather, but here again they raised their heads, the human memory is short, you need to constantly remind, and the harder it is, the faster it comes.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 December 2019 17: 19
                +4
                Vlad hi Here, whatever you say about Poland, all the same, everything will remain "as usual." Poland is Poland, and an inferiority complex is an incurable thing. When people seriously dream about something that cannot be in the current realities, it is useless to speak with them in a sober language. I mean "Poland from sea to sea". Alas, sir. request
          2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 22 December 2019 10: 13
            +2
            I support. Truth will triumph sooner or later.
            1. major147
              major147 22 December 2019 11: 46
              +3
              Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
              I support. Truth will triumph sooner or later.

              And with documents in their hands, the Poles can hardly prove their "rightness". Or as usual - the "truth" and so everyone knows. "
              1. Oleg1263
                Oleg1263 22 December 2019 12: 42
                +2
                Yes, what is the truth? I won’t be surprised if they soon make a statement that Germany attacked the USSR, trying to free Polish lands ....
                Why are our historians silent? Why do all politicians make statements?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 22 December 2019 19: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: oleg1263
                  Why are our historians silent? Why do all politicians make statements?

                  And no one listens to historians; now politicians rule the whole wedding.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 22 December 2019 10: 42
            -28
            Quote: Spartanez300
            And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.

            Yes, the lands were returned, but they deceived Poland in violation of the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty of 1932.
            1. Alexga
              Alexga 22 December 2019 11: 00
              +23
              Poland has not been. On September 16, the government left the state.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 22 December 2019 12: 48
                -17
                Quote: AlexGa
                Poland has not been. On September 16, the government left the state.

                Well, let's say that the Polish government was evacuated, but sooner or later it would have returned or a new government had been created, and it was necessary to return the occupied lands to Poland.
                1. Alexga
                  Alexga 22 December 2019 13: 08
                  +13
                  Captured by Poland under the Riga Treaty? A country that is not? Poland returned the territory at the Podsdam Conference. And even in vain, looking at today's Polish politics.
                2. poquello
                  poquello 22 December 2019 13: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Quote: AlexGa
                  Poland has not been. On September 16, the government left the state.

                  Well, let's say that the Polish government was evacuated, but sooner or later it would have returned or a new government had been created, and it was necessary to return the occupied lands to Poland.

                  here in vain, in vain did not return the Polish kingdom, well, maybe another time
                3. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 22 December 2019 18: 16
                  +4
                  Quote: RUSS
                  but sooner or later it would return or a new government would be created,

                  Duc, they grabbed abundantly on the basis of 2MB.
                4. Eroma
                  Eroma 22 December 2019 19: 16
                  +3
                  As I understand it, the Polish government is in exile, but it remains in exile! laughing Having left the country, they could not regain control over it. To whom and what to return?
            2. PalBor
              PalBor 22 December 2019 11: 01
              +11
              Yes, by September 17 there was no longer Poland as a state, who was there to deceive?
            3. kpd
              kpd 22 December 2019 11: 36
              +5
              Cheated? Was there such a state as Poland at that time?
            4. Achilles
              Achilles 22 December 2019 11: 58
              +13
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Spartanez300
              And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.

              Yes, the lands were returned, but they deceived Poland in violation of the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty of 1932.

              Poland first deceived the USSR here are the facts: September 19, 1938 The Soviet Union offered its assistance to Czechoslovakia in case of war with Germany. Poland said that if the Red Army tried to send troops through Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia, Poland would declare war on the USSR. The Soviet government makes a statement that any attempt by the Polish troops to occupy part of Czechoslovakia will nullify the non-aggression pact. On September 21, the Soviet representative at the plenary session of the League of Nations called for urgent action in support of Czechoslovakia, but they ignored it. After the Sudeten crisis, Germany, Poland and Hungary began the process of dividing Czechoslovakia. Poland annexes the Cieszyn region, Hungary - southern Slovakia and Subcarpathian Rus. Thus, after Poland seized part of Czechoslovakia (with which the USSR had a mutual assistance pact), the agreement with Poland no longer makes sense. And the USSR thereby did not deceive the Poles, they themselves are to blame
            5. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 22 December 2019 19: 54
              +2
              Quote: RUSS
              Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact of 1932.

              Well, on September 23, 1938, the USSR sent a note to Poland, where it stated that any attempt to occupy part of Czechoslovakia by the latter would annul the treaty. There was no response. But on September 16.09.1939, 17, the Polish government fled to Romania and on September 1939, 1921, the USSR treaty was canceled. And what had to be recognized that Poland in XNUMX without a cut took a piece of Russia.
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 23 December 2019 07: 45
                -2
                Quote: tihonmarine
                that Poland in 1921 seized a piece of Russia without payment.

                Well, for the sake of historical justice, I must say not entirely free of charge, the Soviet-Polish war was started by the USSR, in pursuit of the world revolution. They hoped that under this offensive revolutions would take place in Poland and Germany, and these countries would also become socialist. True, there "something went wrong", mainly due to the mediocrity of the "red marshals". And they rolled back a lot, even surrendering Kiev and Minsk.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 23 December 2019 08: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: rzzz
                  Well, for the sake of historical justice, I must say not completely free of charge, the Soviet-Polish war was launched by the USSR in pursuit of a world revolution.

                  Well, you are somehow prejudiced here, no one has declared a war between Poland and the Bolsheviks - in the conditions of widespread uprisings and political chaos, the Soviet-Polish conflict began in a clear order. Germany, which occupied the Polish and Belarusian lands, surrendered in November 1918. And a month later, Soviet troops moved to the territory of Belarus from the east, and Polish troops from the west. The Poles were more fortunate then - by the summer of 1919 all the forces of the Soviet government were diverted to the war with the white armies of Denikin, who launched a decisive attack on the Don and in the Donbass. By that time, the Poles had captured Vilnius, the western half of Belarus and the whole of Galicia (that is, western Ukraine, where Polish nationalists fiercely suppressed the uprising of Ukrainian nationalists for six months). So, do not make an innocent sheep from Poland, which they are still trying to make for the beginning of WWII.
                2. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 23 December 2019 14: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: rzzz
                  The Soviet-Polish war was launched by the USSR in pursuit of the world revolution.

                  Yeah ... knocking the Poles out of the originally Polish city of Kiev, which the Poles occupied on 07.05.1920/XNUMX/XNUMX smile
                  1. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 26 December 2019 01: 07
                    0
                    Well, they liberated Kiev. And Warsaw to take where they went?
          4. Bukhalov
            Bukhalov 22 December 2019 10: 50
            -29
            Quote: Spartanez300
            By sending troops to the eastern regions of Poland, the Soviet leadership set out to eliminate the consequences of the Riga Treaty of 1921, to return the territories captured by the Polish army during the war against Soviet Russia in 1920, and to reunite the divided peoples (Ukrainians and Belarusians).
            As a result of the Polish campaign of 1939 there was a reunion of divided peoples - Ukrainians and Belarusians. It was not ethnic Polish lands that were annexed to the USSR, but territories inhabited mainly by Eastern Slavs (Ukrainians and Belarusians). In November 1939, they became part of the Ukrainian SSR and the Belarusian SSR. The territory of the USSR increased by 196 thousand square meters. km, and the population - by 13 million people. Soviet borders moved 300-400 km to the west.
            It is sometimes said that the USSR and Germany conspired to seize Poland together. But this is a lie: Soviet troops entered Poland after Poland had lost the German war. And we returned exactly those territories that we lost in 1921.

            Two questions:
            1. Why sign contracts if they are later violated? Do you know the principle: paktae sunt servantae?
            2.And why did the USSR capture the Baltic states?
            1. Alexga
              Alexga 22 December 2019 11: 03
              +9
              Capture the Baltic states? What are you talking about? Everything is in accordance with the Treaties.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 22 December 2019 11: 16
              +10
              With contracts, this is you to Adolf (and today - to the Anglo-Saxons). And yet - the USSR did not capture the Baltic states, simply returned its own, moreover, in accordance with the treaties. True, some of the Baltic states, by the way, a smaller part of the population, had and still have objections.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 23 December 2019 08: 47
              0
              Quote: Bukhalov
              1. Why sign contracts if they are later violated? Do you know the principle: paktae sunt servantae?

              Sorry, but what agreement was violated by Soviet Russia, I misunderstood something.
        2. Edik
          Edik 22 December 2019 09: 54
          0
          Quote: Pessimist22
          First, Poland took a bite from Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland

          Here in more detail, for those who do not watch it when yes
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 December 2019 10: 06
            -14
            And what, do you offer to watch this canoe for an hour? sad
            1. 4ekist
              4ekist 22 December 2019 10: 12
              +6
              Better outline and place under the pillow.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 22 December 2019 10: 18
                -6
                Quote: 4ekist
                Better outline and place under the pillow.

                SchA, I’ll drop everything and run off to look for a notebook!
                Quote: Edik
                we will take action and make organizational conclusions

                You are all evil. I will leave you. winked
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 22 December 2019 10: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  You are all evil. I will leave you.

                  Well, wait, you're our darling! Be patient a little, wait .... People are asking!
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 22 December 2019 11: 00
                    -5
                    We’re running together, Nikolayevich, there are all kinds of Chekists ... crying
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I 22 December 2019 12: 11
                      -2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      We run together, Nikolaitch,

                      As the Soldier told the Snake Gorynych: Do not tempt, Trisha!
                      Itself now and then I "rush"! Yes, the old habit still holds! request
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 22 December 2019 12: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Nikolaevich I
                        Itself now and then I "rush"! Yes, the old habit still holds!

                        I mean from this thread. What is there to discuss the hackneyed record. The Psheks are again shaken by the dusty secret protocol, which they either threaded by the plague of opinions Gorbi, or the Alkash of All Russia Boris the First ... Tired of ... request
                      2. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 22 December 2019 15: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I mean from this thread.

                        Yes, I was not going to "tweet" on this "thread"! No. Only answer you! yes
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            2. Edik
              Edik 22 December 2019 10: 14
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And what, do you offer to watch this canoe for an hour?

              Of course! The hour of political information, remember how it was in good times and forward! And whoever does not look, you understand, we will take measures and make organizational conclusions good
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 22 December 2019 10: 45
                +5
                After an hour of political information, we searched for a political informant for a long time to ask only one question ... feel
                1. Edik
                  Edik 22 December 2019 10: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: sabakina
                  After an hour of political information, we searched for a political informant for a long time to ask only one question ...

                  Fulugan you however lol The party will not forget you! wink
            3. Ezekiel 25-17
              Ezekiel 25-17 22 December 2019 10: 44
              0
              What: also pierces the eyes?
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          2. Sergey Medvedev
            Sergey Medvedev 22 December 2019 10: 39
            -3
            Quote: Edik
            Here in more detail, for those who do not watch it when

            And where to see how he removes Miller from his post?
            1. Edik
              Edik 22 December 2019 10: 44
              -1
              Quote: Sergei Medvedev
              And where to see how he removes Miller from his post?

              There hasn’t been an order from you yet! Report it in full form, and I’ll get it right away! angry
              1. Sergey Medvedev
                Sergey Medvedev 22 December 2019 10: 51
                -1
                Quote: Edik
                There hasn’t been an order from you yet! Report it in full form, and I’ll get it right away!

                I see, it means he hasn’t pushed it aside.
                1. Edik
                  Edik 22 December 2019 10: 53
                  -1
                  Quote: Sergei Medvedev
                  I see, it means he hasn’t pushed it aside.

                  They are waiting for your authoritative opinion to raise this question with an edge! soldier
            2. Sergey39
              Sergey39 22 December 2019 11: 11
              0
              "where to see how he dismisses Miller from office?"
              Only through the portal to parallel reality.
          3. Doctor
            Doctor 22 December 2019 13: 03
            -6
            Here in more detail, for those who do not watch it when


            Looked, thanks. Disappointed once again. All documents from open sources, in particular from here:
            http://dvp.sssr.su/
            It would be possible to pamper us with an exclusive of THEM closed archives. But to see whether or not nothing or referents are frail.
            It is also surprising that for our guarantor, it seems that this is also a discovery, although foreign policy seems to be his work. The rest sit outlines, probably think that they reveal all the top secrets to them, if there was no Internet access. One dad seems to be in the subject, sometimes nods.
            Well, the favorite feature of all the leaders, print at least 36 pins, but I won’t wear glasses. But in vain, ours would have gone.
          4. Rostislav Bely
            Rostislav Bely 22 December 2019 13: 54
            +3
            I already thought it would be more serious - about the 0,5 million Poles who served in the Wehrmacht ...
            in the Wehrmacht (according to incomplete data, only Soviet troops captured 60 Wehrmacht troops - Poles by nationality; in a message to the British Parliament, it was noted that among the Wehrmacht soldiers whom the British troops captured in northwestern Europe, 272 were Poles)

            In the photo, the same Joseph Tusk is the grandfather of the current head of the European Council. Photo of 1939.
            "This image is provided by the German Federal Archives (Deutsches Bundesarchiv) as part of a cooperation project. The German Federal Archives guarantees the authenticity of the image using only the originals." The title of the photograph "Verhaftung von Juden" is the arrest of Jews. This group, apparently, searched for Jews in Gdansk and its environs and sent them to concentration camps.
        3. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 22 December 2019 10: 13
          +6
          Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
          Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes yes

          Like cockroaches after dichlorvos! Before that they sat, feasted ....
        4. Tersky
          Tersky 22 December 2019 11: 14
          +5
          Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
          Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes

          They don't need the truth. The truth is dangerous for them. It destroys the whole picture. But there is one "but". If you do not know the historical truth, or knowing it, distort, it has every chance of repeating itself.
        5. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 December 2019 15: 00
          +6
          Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
          Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes yes

          In vain Stalin left Poland on a world map.
        6. svp67
          svp67 22 December 2019 15: 01
          +1
          Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
          Oh, how the Poles began to fuss. The truth pierces the eyes

          Everything is much more prosaic here ... as soon as Russia recognizes everything that Poland and the "free world" say, then the next step, after that "repent" will be PAY. Poland will DEMAND reparations
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      3. Alexga
        Alexga 22 December 2019 09: 51
        +8
        Close this muddy complex and forget about Katyn and Psheks forever!
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 22 December 2019 09: 58
          +10
          All questions should be brought to Chamberlain for the Munich agreement ... well, to his own government - for participating in the "sharing" of Czechoslovakia.
          The Poles are excited - It is interesting to see the answer of Our Foreign Ministry.
          1. Spartanez300
            Spartanez300 22 December 2019 10: 03
            +7
            The division of Czechoslovakia with the active participation of Poland.
          2. novel66
            novel66 22 December 2019 10: 54
            +3
            even somewhere overexcited, it would be necessary
            And the rope authorities
            E7 Am
            They inject us with a second injection.
            Alex, hi! hi
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 22 December 2019 11: 00
              +4
              Greetings Roman! Yes, let him stand for himself ... well, we are not at war with the dead ... this is the lot of Vandals! hi
              1. novel66
                novel66 22 December 2019 11: 01
                +3
                well, at least declare to the whole world that the Germans were killing the Poles and that they would have rolled off
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 22 December 2019 11: 16
                  +4
                  Here, I fully support you! yes
                  Plus ... somehow Seriously it is necessary to warn that tough measures will be taken for vandalism in relation to the Monuments to Our fallen Soldiers!
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 22 December 2019 11: 48
                    +2
                    here, as it were - he promised measures, so take measures ... and with this we request
      4. novel66
        novel66 22 December 2019 10: 50
        +2
        and horseradish understand there? everything has been dismantled already, the memorial can be closed (and necessary)
      5. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 22 December 2019 10: 55
        +4
        Curious quotes always relevant...

        * In this case, Prague - the historical district of the Polish capital - was originally a suburb, now part of Warsaw.
      6. Ultima Ratio
        Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 11: 08
        -17
        And what to understand? Captured Polish officers shot! After the occupation of Poland, clergy and officials were exiled to Siberia!
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        1. Doctor
          Doctor 22 December 2019 13: 19
          -3
          And it’s very interesting, why is Israel silent on the topic ???


          Have you read Mein Kampf? It's all about what kind of state Germany should be. And about the Jews 0,5%, and these topics have already been repeated many times in other sources. There is nothing to prohibit at all.
          For example, for our current Lenin is 100 times worse:

          And with higher employees, who are very few, but who are drawn to the capitalists, they will have to act, as with the capitalists, “in severity”. They, like the capitalists, will resist. This resistance will have to be broken, and if the immortally naive Peshekhonov was babbling back in June 1917, like a real “state infant,” that “the resistance of the capitalists was broken,” then the proletariat will carry out this childish phrase with childish boasting and boyish antics.
      8. Nick
        Nick 22 December 2019 11: 36
        +3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Here it is more important to deal with Katyn.

        We've figured it out a long time. The Germans shot everyone.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 22 December 2019 13: 26
          0
          We've figured it out a long time. The Germans shot everyone.


          And they didn’t even make a secret. Felled from their walters. There would be no bullets from the TT in the graves to throw.
          1. Nick
            Nick 22 December 2019 13: 47
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            We've figured it out a long time. The Germans shot everyone.


            And they didn’t even make a secret. Felled from their walters. There would be no bullets from the TT in the graves to throw.

            Yes, I also read about it somewhere. True, opponents claimed that the NKVD before the war bought a batch of Walters in Germany. But no one cited confirmation.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 22 December 2019 14: 03
              -3
              Yes, I also read about it somewhere. True, opponents claimed that the NKVD before the war bought a batch of Walters in Germany. But no one cited confirmation.


              About that and speech. As captain Zheglov used to say: "so the pistol, Volodya, will outweigh 100 thousand other pieces of evidence."
              If Goebbels ordered to make a fake, then the Germans couldn’t leave bullets from the Walters in the graves. Already a couple of thousand rounds of ammunition from the TT by 1943 would have been found.
      9. knn54
        knn54 22 December 2019 15: 55
        0
        France and Great Britain The USSR (as opposed to Germany), until today ("the spirit of the times". However, the excuse from Munich) was not considered an aggressor.
        Former Deputy Foreign Minister of France Alain Decaux (far from sympathy for the USSR) "Katyn. Stalin or Hitler?"
    2. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 22 December 2019 09: 25
      +12
      There is one more point that must be taken into account when dealing with "great" Poland: the Poles, just like girls with low social responsibility, always fell under the strongest, and in their opinion this is an insulting, but correct policy .... And the gentry is fatally enraged that we, "Russian wool", do not do the same.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 22 December 2019 09: 41
      -29
      Quote: Pessimist22
      First, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.

      It doesn’t matter who and when has bitten off anyone, but the fact that the entry of troops into Poland was a fact and the fact that Poland had its territory squeezed off, in fact, Poland ceased to exist in the year 39. Now, as before, power is interrupted by the fact that there was no government in Poland, etc., but we are not hyenas to pick up a half-dead victim.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 22 December 2019 09: 45
        +17
        So they also bit off part of Ukraine and Belarus from half-dead Russia, so they got an answer, as we say, sow the wind, reap the storm.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 22 December 2019 10: 40
          -15
          Quote: Pessimist22
          So they also bit off part of Ukraine and Belarus from half-dead Russia, so they got an answer, as we say, sow the wind, reap the storm.

          That’s what we are talking about, we just need to admit the fact that in Europe at that time it was customary and we did not appease the opportunity to pick up fellow countrymen, and there was no need to invent excuses.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 December 2019 13: 12
            +4
            Quote: RUSS
            That’s what we’re talking about, you just have to admit the fact that in those days in Europe it was so

            Well, then why are the Poles offended?
            Managed to run into all neighbors except Romania, and bite off a piece of territory. In Germany, in Lithuania, in Belarus and Ukraine, in Czechoslovakia

            Well, then they themselves ... bit. Moreover, the Allies scored a big bolt on them.

            And of course Russia is to blame ...
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 22 December 2019 10: 44
          -21
          Quote: Pessimist22
          sow the wind, reap the storm.

          We violated the Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact of 1932 to sow the wind, and then we reaped the storm of the destroyed Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 22 December 2019 18: 25
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            We violated the Polish-Soviet agreement

            All that you can violate is only traffic rules (if there is a "bucket") or the law on walking dogs (again, if present). And so yes: "The state is me!" laughing
            Quote: RUSS
            sowing wind

            Tellingly, many organisms that position themselves as "hyper-mega-Russian" do not really know their "native" language, and there is nothing to say about history. yes
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 22 December 2019 10: 38
        +10
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Pessimist22
        First, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.

        It doesn’t matter who and when has bitten off anyone, but the fact that the entry of troops into Poland was a fact and the fact that Poland had its territory squeezed off, in fact, Poland ceased to exist in the year 39. Now, as before, power is interrupted by the fact that there was no government in Poland, etc., but we are not hyenas to pick up a half-dead victim.

        If not for the USSR then Poland would not exist at all.
        During the operation to liberate Poland, the Soviet Army suffered the following losses:
        - in people - irrevocable - 477 295 people, sanitary - 1 636 165 people, total - 2 113 460 people;
        - on airplanes - 2692 units, worth 963 620 000 rubles .;
        - in tanks and self-propelled guns - 2966 units, worth 688 557 000 rubles .;
        - in artillery weapons - 3960 units, worth 714 896 030 rubles .;
        - in vehicles - 7605 units, worth 100 385 000 rubles .;

        During the operation, the following was spent:
        - Ammunition 69 161 wagons, cost 10 319 000 000 rub .;
        - Aerial bombs - 27 412 tons, worth 137 060 000 rubles .;
        - aviation cartridges and shells - 24 792 tons, cost 137 196 000 rubles .;
        - fuel and lubricants - 992 906 tons, cost 697 666 000 rub .;
        - medical property on 150 000 000 rub.
        Losses of the Baltic Fleet:
        - people - 560 people;
        - aircraft - 129, cost 167 700 000 rub .;
        - armored boats - 10 units worth 13 000 000 rubles .;
        - submarines - 1, cost 18 000 000 rub.
        The cost of the restoration of Polish railways for the period
        1944 - 1945 amounted to 211 335 000 rubles.
        In addition, 12 billion rubles were spent on the maintenance of the personnel of the Soviet troops participating in the liberation of Poland, its food and clothing allowance and utility costs.
        Thus, the total cost of arms and material resources in monetary terms for the period of the liberation of Poland is 26 720 959 thousand rubles.
        Colonel General Pokrovsky
        12th of November 1956.
        In addition, after the war, thanks to J.V. Stalin, Poland not only retained its statehood, but also grew into not small territories that were part of Germany. But as it turned out, "not a horse feed" - the Poles, like the Ukrainians, the people do not know gratitude. It was necessary to leave the Galicians as part of Poland and let them do what they love, selflessly spoil each other, without being distracted by Russia.
      3. Den717
        Den717 22 December 2019 10: 40
        +5
        Quote: RUSS
        but we are not hyenas to pick up a half-dead victim.

        Unlike you, Stalin thought pragmatically in the interests of the state. Thanks to the movement of borders hundreds of kilometers to the West, Hitler's problem of occupation of the occupied territories of the western part of the USSR intensified. And the time that it took him to pass these annexed territories, oh, how not enough for him to solve the problem of occupying Moscow. It was by the time of approaching Moscow that our army and leadership had managed to organize the evacuation of production, mobilize resources, and organize defensive lines on the enemy's path. We can also add weather conditions that were not taken into account in Hitler's strategic planning. If it were not for the occupation of Western Ukrainian territories, everything could have been much worse. After all, Moscow is Moscow - the capital, a symbol of statehood, a global logistics center and much more, very significant for the peoples of the USSR, especially in times of war. And the speakers of your point of view, Putin correctly called "idiots" (as it was in his speech - just in case for the moderators wink ), who do not understand who and what they owe their existence to on Earth.
      4. Petrix
        Petrix 22 December 2019 16: 02
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        the entry of troops into Poland was a fact and a fact that the territory of Poland was squeezed

        Quote: RUSS
        It does not matter who and when has bitten off anyone

        Decide.
    4. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 22 December 2019 09: 45
      +3
      And who will remember the Soviet-Polish war and how did the Poles sign a declaration on the non-use of force between Germany and Poland?
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    6. NKT
      NKT 22 December 2019 09: 50
      0
      There and Hungary bit Czechoslovakia with Poland
      1. parkello
        parkello 22 December 2019 09: 55
        +6
        Hungarians have always been allies of Germany, and even Austria together existed .. as one state, Hungarians it is clear that ... and the Poles. rats are shameful.
    7. Ultima Ratio
      Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 11: 07
      -9
      And then the USSR took a bite from Poland! Predators alone!
    8. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 22 December 2019 11: 30
      +3
      It was not for nothing that Churchill called Poland the "hyena of Europe" after those events.
      They were hyenas, they remained hyenas. They cannot be changed.
    9. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 December 2019 13: 08
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      First, Poland took a bite from Czechoslovakia with Germany

      First, Poland bit off a piece of Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. Then a couple of pieces from Germany. Then a piece of Czechoslovakia.
    10. YOUR
      YOUR 22 December 2019 14: 02
      +1
      We can clearly see that the more time passes after a momentous event, the more any additions creep out that turn the event upside down. It will take some time and it turns out that it was the USSR that started the war, and Hitler was forced to deliver a preemptive strike to save Western civilization.
      Already such voices appear.
    11. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 22 December 2019 15: 53
      0
      [quoteFirst, Poland bit off Czechoslovakia together with Germany, and then when Germany spread the Poles, the USSR sent troops into the uncontrolled territory of Poland, we all know.] [/ quote]
      But the allies only watched and did not want to interfere.
      1. Fat
        Fat 1 January 2020 05: 24
        0
        Ah, leave it. War declared. Thus began the world war. The USSR entered the war later on the fact of the Reich aggression.
  2. wt100
    wt100 22 December 2019 09: 15
    +8
    And as Czechoslovakia was torn, this Pshek don’t even remember, it’s possible, it’s permissible. But as affected by themselves, in adult games to answer - the guard!
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 22 December 2019 09: 15
    +6
    What to distort, then fool Poland and Germany began the Second World War by tearing Czechoslovakia among themselves to the sweet tales of Chamberlain: "I brought peace"
  4. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 22 December 2019 09: 15
    +3
    The Polish "comrades" thought for a long time with the answer.
    As a result, "I am neither me, nor my house" ....
  5. Aliken
    Aliken 22 December 2019 09: 15
    +9
    The Russian Foreign Ministry has no choice but to place archival documents on its website in order to shut up remodelers.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 22 December 2019 13: 52
      -2
      The Russian Foreign Ministry has no choice but to place archival documents on its website in order to shut up remodelers.


      Done. From November 7, 1917 to December 1943. But better not to read.
  6. cost
    cost 22 December 2019 09: 16
    +18
    The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin

    That's why I am sincerely grateful to Putin
    It would be a shame to cover the Yeltsin center. This will definitely arouse support among the majority of Russians and raise the president’s reputation
  7. Tusv
    Tusv 22 December 2019 09: 19
    0
    And the regional army heroically fought against the Nazis in Iran
    1. Fat
      Fat 1 January 2020 05: 43
      0
      Do not confuse Anders' heroic army with AK. Anders heroically merged from the fronts of the Union. As soon as Churchill managed to get these pacifists to fight in Europe. Millions of Soviet rubles and the most advanced weapons that we lacked were spent on these soldiers. AK during the battles with the Wehrmacht destroyed about 2000 invaders and their accomplices. From 1939 to 1945. The success is impressive, our bandits in the nineties killed more people. AK bandits are, despite the ashes and diamonds.
  8. Granddad
    Granddad 22 December 2019 09: 20
    +5
    You to us psheki still for the desecration of the graves of our soldiers answer ..!
    And even the stoves and anti-Semitism flourished in your country even after the 45th (troops were attracted, there were pogroms) ..
    We all remember and the conversation will be sure .. soldier
  9. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 22 December 2019 09: 20
    +4
    The evil Russophobian hyena Poland will someday inflate such a war in Europe, in the fire of which it itself will finally and irrevocably turn into ashes.
    1. Nick
      Nick 22 December 2019 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Fedor Sokolov
      The evil Russophobian hyena Poland will someday inflate such a war in Europe, in the fire of which it itself will finally and irrevocably turn into ashes.

      The fourth partition of Poland will simply happen. winked
      1. Fedor Sokolov
        Fedor Sokolov 22 December 2019 13: 33
        +1
        No more sections needed! Poland must either become Russia’s friendly independent state or disappear from the world map.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 22 December 2019 13: 34
        -2
        The fourth partition of Poland will just happen


        And with whom will we share this time?
        1. Nick
          Nick 22 December 2019 14: 00
          0
          Quote: Arzt
          And with whom will we share this time?

          Germany will definitely participate, and perhaps Russia will take part of the Polish territories under its protection. Maybe France. But this is all theorizing on coffee grounds.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 22 December 2019 14: 16
            0
            Germany will definitely participate, and perhaps Russia will take part of the Polish territories under its protection. Maybe France.


            No French are superfluous here. Only we and the Germans. Like good old times.

            “Mr. Minister began the conversation with the message that he had informed the Fuehrer about the first conversation last night by sending him a detailed telegraphic report, after which he had a telephone conversation with him based on the report. The Fuehrer instructed him to convey his greetings to Messrs Stalin and Molotov and convey to them that he had thought through Stalin's proposal and joined his opinion. The Fuehrer also finds the division of the Polish ethnic space very dubious, as it could easily lead to friction between Germany and the Soviet Union, which should certainly be avoided. The Fuhrer shares Stalin's opinion that the Poles, in their traditional quest for reunification, will use all means to embroil Germany with the Soviet Union. Of course, one should not expect that this will cause serious differences of opinion between the two friendly states, but local difficulties are possible. Proceeding from this, the Fuehrer fundamentally agrees with the adoption of the so-called second version of Stalin, but with some minor corrections, which Mr. Minister is ready to show Stalin and Molotov on the map. Following this, Mr. Shaposhnikov, the Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army, appeared with extensive cartographic material. Then the discussion of the line of the final outline of the border began. This discussion took place in a very friendly atmosphere. Both sides defended their positions, but at the same time, compromise solutions were reached on less significant points. For example, Stalin rejected the German desire to own the city of Augustow, arguing with the interests of the Soviet Union in the railway passing here. At the same time, he took into account the German wishes to get the August forest and, in accordance with this, agreed with the corresponding transfer of the border to the south. "
            1. Fat
              Fat 1 January 2020 06: 01
              0
              And what? How did your Moldavia take place? The Baltic under-state was a small change before it was now.
  10. prior
    prior 22 December 2019 09: 20
    +2
    The Hyena of Europe was and will remain the first candidate country to become radioactive ash.
    She chose this right for herself and constantly upholds it.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2019 09: 21
    +5
    When the truth is not profitable, what should be done with it? To twist so that it becomes profitable! And the occupation of the Tishin region, and the chaos with the "Danzing corridor" after the promise of England and France to defend Poland ... And who did not let the Soviet troops through their territory when we offered Czechoslovakia assistance in defending against Germany? And now - who is the true provocateur of the war?
  12. Fedorov
    Fedorov 22 December 2019 09: 21
    +1
    And is this nonsense on the world map still broadcasting something? "Iskander's spit if something happens .. am Psheki uterus bozka ...
  13. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov 22 December 2019 09: 22
    +2
    The Polish hyena began to yap .. So, you see, Russia will come to the demand for compensation.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 22 December 2019 09: 33
      +4
      Quote: andrey-ivanov
      So, you see, and the demand for compensation from Russia will come.

      No problem. We repay the debt with warheads
      1. Fat
        Fat 1 January 2020 06: 07
        0
        Do not they either break them or drink about ..)))
  14. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 22 December 2019 09: 29
    +3
    To know history and tell the truth in the opinion of the Poles is a distortion of World War II ?! Warsaw apparently forgot what Churchill called Poland the hyena of Europe!
  15. kenig1
    kenig1 22 December 2019 09: 31
    +6
    "Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who" tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations. "How many hyenas do not feed .....
  16. K-50
    K-50 22 December 2019 09: 36
    +5
    Russia deliberately distorts the beginning and course of World War II, providing the world with a false picture. With such a statement, the Polish Foreign Ministry commented on the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin about the Second World War.

    As stated in the old Soviet comedy film: Excuse me, we have all the moves recorded!
    There are archival documents confirming the correctness of Putin's words, clippings and filing of newspapers of that time, archival photographs.
    So Psheks, you can’t turn your back on the Truth, as if a louse were depicted on a scallop. yes fellow lol
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 22 December 2019 11: 32
      0
      Quote: K-50
      ..... So psheks, do not get yourselves from the Truth, as if a louse were not depicted on a scallop. yes fellow lol
      Or a snake in a pan or a fly on glass or something negative low
      feel social responsibility.
    2. Fat
      Fat 1 January 2020 06: 21
      0
      Oh well. What do the words of the country under sanctions mean, against the words of the European leader ..)))) Documents? Like a cartoon about Uncle Fedor. Mustache and tail, here are my documents (c) Matroskin (cat)
      P. S. Well, I do not like bandits like Tadeusz Kosciuszko. Generally I do not like gangsters, any.
  17. orionvitt
    orionvitt 22 December 2019 09: 39
    +6
    Of course, it’s easier to blame others, and quickly pretend to be “an innocent victim” yourself. And about the Hitler-Pilsudski pact, on January 26, 1934, do they want to tell you anything? I dare say, five years before what they say there.
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 22 December 2019 09: 40
    +3
    It wouldn’t be said that Poland, together with Germany, participated in the division of the Czechoslovak Pie, we explain why Germany entered into a Moscow treaty not to attack ... as if we were justifying ourselves ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 22 December 2019 11: 25
      0
      hi how?---- somehow it as if is there anything superfluous, Alex?
      Yes, indeed, why not say directly ---- Poland always wanted to expand its borders at the expense of its neighbors in any way. It is not clear ..... we are afraid of Polish sanctions, or what?
  19. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 December 2019 09: 43
    +2
    Well, what wretched ones to take from them: Europe divided this stupid state three times and only the kindness and generosity of Russia revived Poland again! Truly, if the Lord wants to punish someone, then he is losing his mind, which is very clearly visible on the Poles ...
  20. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 22 December 2019 09: 49
    0
    ... "at least spit in your eyes, everything is God's dew!" (c)
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 09: 58
    -1
    Quote: Tusv
    And the regional army heroically fought against the Nazis in Iran

    Guarded the oil rigs? laughing All the same from them "help" at the front as from the go ... to the bullet. laughing
  22. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 02
    +1
    "The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who" tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations. " laughing Polish Mead- the ultimate truth?
  23. rocket757
    rocket757 22 December 2019 10: 04
    +3
    Well, yes, yes, but did Czechoslovakia itself end? And who shared it with whom?
  24. lucul
    lucul 22 December 2019 10: 05
    +3
    The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

    Under the table )))))
  25. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 05
    0
    1. 1933 year. Pact of Four (Italy, Germany, England, France).
    The Pact of Four was an attempt to oppose the League of Nations with the "directory" of the four great powers seeking to subordinate the whole of Europe to their hegemony. Ignoring the Soviet Union, the four powers tried to pursue a policy of its isolation, while at the same time eliminating the rest of the European states from participating in solving European affairs. 2. Pilsudski-Hitler Pact (Germany, Poland).
    Non-aggression pact between Germany and Poland. It was supplemented by an agreement on trade and shipping, separate agreements on issues of the press, cinema, broadcasting, theater, etc.
    It was envisaged that the pact would remain in force even if one of the contracting parties entered the war with third states. 3. 1935 year. Anglo-German Maritime Agreement.
    The British government satisfied Hitler's demand that "the power of the German fleet be 35% in relation to the total power of the British Empire." The proportion of 35: 100 was to be applied both to the total tonnage of the fleet, and to each class of ships.
    laughing
  26. askort154
    askort154 22 December 2019 10: 05
    +2
    The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

    Oh, how you are missing Gorbachev and Yeltsin. So they did everything well for you, betraying their people and state. Once upon a time, the Russian patriot Susanin started
    you into the swamp. And these two freaks, to your delight, led their country into a swamp.
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 07
    +11
    Brief cheat sheet - which countries and when they entered into agreements and treaties with Hitler before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

    1933 - Great Britain, France, Italy - pact of four
    1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudski Pact
    1935 - Great Britain - maritime agreement
    1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern Pact
    1938 - September, Great Britain - non-aggression declaration
    1938 - December, France - non-aggression declaration
    1939 - March, Romania - economic agreement
    1939 - March, Lithuania - non-aggression pact
    1939 - May, Italy - pact on union and friendship
    1939 - May, Denmark - non-aggression pact
    1939 - June, Estonia - non-aggression pact
    1939 - June, Latvia - non-aggression pact
    1939 - August, USSR - non-aggression pact

    So, clearly. For the Polish Foreign Ministry. laughingWell, in politics, sclerosis is very much in demand. wassat
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 18
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    The Polish "comrades" thought for a long time with the answer.
    As a result, "I am neither me, nor my house" ....

    And also the Bulgarian "brothers" who scream at every corner. What are they "good" laughing
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 22
    0
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Quote: Tusv
    And the regional army heroically fought against the Nazis in Iran

    Guarded the oil rigs? laughing All the same from them "help" at the front as from the go ... to the bullet. laughing

    author -> author -> author - Anders army was turned upside down in Iran: History gives smart people a chance to go around their favorite rake and step into the future at the next round, watching with a smile how former geopolitical opponents remain in the past and haters.

    The history of relations between Russia and Poland is a series of continuous "undermining" on the same rake, and on both sides. Poland over and over again found another liberator "against the Russians" and, saying happily "Well, that's it, now you never again ...", received the full program - it was thrown by new allies and Russia got the nuts. Russia also stubbornly tried to "fit" Poland or some part of it to its body, not realizing that it was poison.
  30. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 24
    +1
    So a little about General Anders himself. It is important.

    Born in Poland in 1892, was drafted into the Russian army, an officer, fought (World War I), was marked by command and sent to the General Staff Academy, which he completed on an expedited program before the February Revolution. He responded to the call of the Provisional Government in terms of continuing the war until victory and participated in the formation of Polish units. He was the chief of staff of the 1th Polish Division.

    Curiously, another hero of Poland and also a "great friend" of the USSR, Bur-Komorowski, was on the other side of the front in those same years - he commanded a platoon in the Austrian army. laughing
  31. Den717
    Den717 22 December 2019 10: 27
    0
    The Polish Foreign Ministry accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of undermining the joint work of Polish and Russian experts, as well as the achievements of his predecessors, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, who "tried to find the path of truth and reconciliation in Polish-Russian relations."

    Chatting with newspaper strips and the screen of the mind is not much. You bring real documents, make them public. Try to prove your point. At a meeting of CIS presidents, Putin documented his views on the role of Poland in the 30s and 40s. And gentlemen from Warsaw, do you have anything to refute? Stop balabolit, documents - in the studio ....
  32. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 29
    +2
    History gives smart people a chance at the next round to bypass their favorite rake and step into the future, watching with a smile, as former geopolitical opponents and haters remain in the past.

    The history of relations between Russia and Poland is a series of continuous "undermining" on the same rake, and on both sides. Poland over and over again found another liberator "against the Russians" and, saying happily "Well, that's it, now you never again ...", received the full program - it was thrown by new allies and Russia got the nuts. Russia also stubbornly tried to "fit" Poland or some part of it to its body, not realizing that it was poison.



    But the situation around Polish formations on the territory of the USSR itself is certainly amazing.

    I just recommend studying the facts on your own. Especially those who believe in the "Katyn tragedy" and condemn the "treacherous stab in the back of Poland", which we call a liberation campaign.

    .In Soviet sources, it was customary to depict the "liberation campaign" as "disarming" the remnants of the Polish army, during which the rest of the population waving flowers along the side of the road. This is not entirely true. There were battles, there were losses.

    That's just in Lviv and its environs. And not only. According to official data of that time, the Red Army lost 787 people killed. Modern researchers double this figure
  33. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 31
    +2
    In August 1941, an amnesty was declared for Polish prisoners of war, exiles, etc. All this is within the framework of an agreement with the Sikorsky émigré government in London, which the British themselves barely persuaded not to rest and accept the conditions of the USSR. And then after all, they declared war on us. Right from there, from London. laughing

    ALL Polish soldiers released from camps and prisons received a one-time payment in accordance with the rank. Ordinary at 500r (you could buy a civilian suit and food for several days), and Anders himself already 25 thousand. laughing
  34. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 32
    +1
    There were still certain supplies from the allies to the Poles, but scanty, mainly Anders's army was contained and equipped at the expense of the USSR. The exception was Polish Jews, who regularly received packages from America through the Joint (Jewish charity). By the way, looking ahead, we note about 10 thousand of this "contingent" after Anders and his army reached Palestine there and "stayed". Simply put, they deserted from the army. Among those who remained was someone named Begin (aka Mechislav Volfovich Begun), the future prime minister of Israel, and in 1943 the head of the underground Irgun organization and the ideologist of the terrorist war against the British administration. Among the glorious deeds of this structure, in particular, the explosion in the hotel "David" (Jerusalem). Here are the personnel trained))) laughing
  35. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 35
    +1
    Having reached almost 100 thousand people and obviously not wanting to fight on the Soviet-German front, the Polish group became a clearly threatening factor and a burden for the USSR (more than 400 million rubles were spent on the maintenance of these warriors). Stalin spoke in the style of "we can do without you" and allowed the complete withdrawal of Anders' army to Iran, closer to their beloved British. Many thousands of civilians left with the army. The British even developed a variant of the preemptive "occupation" of the oil-bearing regions of the Caucasus "so that the Germans did not get it." And again, the "preemptive" neutralization of the French fleet in the colonies, which was accompanied by clashes and mutual casualties, is a historical fact. So there is no need to doubt, the British are still allies. laughing
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 38
    +1
    This is a long-playing topic, I mentioned it only because when the Anders Army began to be assembled, it included the same bastards, cowards and looters. The Polish units in the USSR who were engaged in natural robbery. With Soviet citizens, they behaved like residents of the country they occupied. Robberies, robberies, selection of cattle from the population and collective farms ...
    Cream of society, the Polish elite! laughing The USSR insisted that the Poles begin to fight, but they all the time found excuses: they say, weapons are still not delivered, people are not equipped and hungry. Stalin suggested that the Sikorsky Poles work and grow their modest havchik. To which Sikorsky proudly replied, the “Anders Army” is not, for some reason, God forgive me, lapniks, but real military professionals. laughing
  37. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 40
    +2
    And the Anders army took a real battle near the Italian monastery of Monte Cassino. This is one of the most shameful pages of the military history of our allies. This is European Pussy.
    Let the monastery, which by agreement, no one was supposed to occupy, the Allies hollowed, crushed, until, finally, the Germans climbed into the ruins. Then the allies, including the Poles, went on the assault. They went shamefully - they lost 924 killed. These were their biggest losses during the war! laughing
  38. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 10: 40
    +1
    Not sickly yet the guys settled down. They starved the starving Russians at the most difficult time for them, then went to the Middle East, where on the expanses of the upcoming kebbutz, they restored their health for four years. And then they sent a little disgrace ...
    Polish elite! Professionals! laughing
    1. Fat
      Fat 1 January 2020 06: 48
      0
      Thanks, Gennady. So in detail about the heroism of the Poles in the war for independence, it would take me a couple of days. True, no laughing matter
  39. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 22 December 2019 10: 44
    -5
    From the point of view of Poland .. we attacked them. From our point of view ... we pushed the border back ... and returned part of the lost, to which we had every right by the right of the strong ... and both of these points of view have the right to life ... because everyone has their own truth. But our truth is closer, of course, to us. What is the argument then ..
  40. Dizel200
    Dizel200 22 December 2019 10: 48
    -2
    Why listen to inadequate, rewriting history in their own way all the nonsense? If our vision of history is supported by some kind of documents, then how will those who rewrite this story in their own way prove their arguments? Is there concrete evidence? We’ll listen to your story. No? Only inflamed consciousness? Go forest to the doctor.
  41. sagitch
    sagitch 22 December 2019 10: 56
    +2
    A normal wave was raised by President Putin, now the Poles, and some of ours at least look into historical documents.
  42. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 22 December 2019 10: 58
    +3
    The Second World War began with the conspiracy of Hitler and Poland and their joint occupation of Czechoslovakia ... A joint campaign of Poland and Hitler against the USSR was planned, but Poland decided to bend its fingers to Hitler's demands, not realizing that the six did not have the right to demand something from the godfather ... for this, she immediately received kicks from Adolf ...
  43. Strashila
    Strashila 22 December 2019 10: 59
    0
    "At the same time, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs emphasizes that in the 30s of the last century Poland sought to build normal relations with both the USSR and Germany," I don’t know how with Germany, but in 38, Poland, in violation of international law, refused to let Soviet troops to provide assistance to Czechoslovakia and she herself took part in its occupation. Like now they want to say that it was not?
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 22 December 2019 14: 42
      -6
      but in the 38th, Poland in violation of international law refused to let in the troops of the USSR to assist Czechoslovakia


      Would you agree to let a couple of millions of Chinese troops into the battle with Europe through the territory of Russia?
  44. Ham
    Ham 22 December 2019 11: 01
    +2
    Poles, as always, are the most injured in the world ... they only delicately remain silent about their tricks and about the fact that they live and breathe (and have their current borders!) exclusively thanks to Comrade Dzhugashvili and the Russian people ...
    and after the next section, anal pains again begin with shouts: "they gave the wrong one!"
    it’s not good to bite the hand that feeds you and spit in the well from which you drink ... not in a Christian way ...
    it is already possible to outline the circle of countries that will be divided during the next division of Europe - this is of course Ukraine, as well as the river’s Commonwealth ... well, the Baltic tig ... limitrophs ...
    no need to interfere with the guys just need to give them a rope so that they would strangle on it as in 1939
  45. NordUral
    NordUral 22 December 2019 11: 11
    0
    They returned their, and not all.
  46. Shock.
    Shock. 22 December 2019 11: 27
    +2
    Ah, well, Poland doesn’t manage to pretend to be a fluffy pink bunny. Do not forbid the truth, it still strives to get out and spoil the picture!
  47. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 December 2019 11: 33
    -1
    Quote: Dizel200
    Why listen to inadequate, rewriting history in their own way all the nonsense? If our vision of history is supported by some kind of documents, then how will those who rewrite this story in their own way prove their arguments? Is there concrete evidence? We’ll listen to your story. No? Only inflamed consciousness? Go forest to the doctor.

    There are documents and not only, having published these documents our "partners" will have enough heart attack. laughing
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 22 December 2019 13: 57
      -2
      There are documents and not only, having published these documents our "partners" will have enough heart attack.


      Yeah. And they are already made public.
      http://dvp.sssr.su/
      Read volumes 22 and 23. And links at the end of the volumes. From January 1, 1939 to June 22, 1941. Just stock up on nitroglycerin.
  48. vanavatny
    vanavatny 22 December 2019 11: 47
    0
    the Poles are not to blame, the Poles of the victim, the Poles are good, they are even ready to return property to thousands of exterminated Jews (and not only), unless, of course, they saved the relevant documents after passing Auschwitz, Belzec, Majdanek, Treblinka, Chelmno ... But after that wars were atrocious against both Jews and Germans, but it’s all so inconvenient that they themselves believe in the stained image of innocent victims, but how, interestingly, they managed to create a mono-ethnic state?
  49. demo
    demo 22 December 2019 11: 49
    +3
    The logic of the Poles is over the top.
    They simply take out of context the historical situation that was.
    In 17, the Kingdom of Poland was sent for free bread.
    Here is independence for you. Live as you want.
    And it’s bad to live with pans without grabbing. I can not.
    In the 20s, they grabbed both Western Ukraine and Western Belarus.
    Weak Russia could not oppose anything.
    Further Poland Pilsudski decided not to stop there.
    And she began to hatch plans for the restoration of the Commonwealth "from border to border."
    There was even talk of Poland joining a club of countries with their own colonies.
    More than 1000000 Poles entered the society of colonists.
    That's how bursting them!
    Then they sniffed with Hitler.
    And the partition of Czechoslovakia began.

    And how to relate to such a neighbor.
    Suppose Hitler occupied all of Poland.
    Definitely, the masses of Poles would not only resist the invaders, but also join the ranks of the Wehrmacht (which was).
    Defending itself by preventive actions, Russia returned the original Russian lands. And nothing more.
    And the returned lands were a kind of buffer between us and Germany.
    Any other interpretations are not acceptable.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 22 December 2019 17: 26
      -4
      Suppose Hitler occupied all of Poland.
      Definitely, the masses of Poles would not only resist the invaders, but also join the ranks of the Wehrmacht (which was).


      He wouldn’t have climbed to Poland if there hadn’t been for the MR pact. As soon as we refuse to sign it, the history of Europe and the USSR would go a different way.
      1. demo
        demo 22 December 2019 18: 11
        0
        History does not like the subjunctive mood - what would happen if ......
        Your opinion is diametrically opposite to mine.
        But both yours and mine cannot change the course of history.
        This is the first.

        Hitler did not set out to conquer Poland, but to destroy the USSR.
        The presence of a buffer state impeded the implementation of global plans.
        Fighting with a neighbor through a neighbor is the same as having sex in a hammock.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 22 December 2019 19: 28
          -3
          History does not like the subjunctive mood - what would happen if ......
          But both yours and mine cannot change the course of history.


          But you write

          Suppose Hitler occupied all of Poland.


          I do not catch you by the word, I just also guess if he would dare to attack or not.

          And you are right, we cannot change the course of history, but we can draw conclusions from it.
          For example, now we have relations with Ukraine, as then with Poland. Perhaps Belarus will soon be against us. And we, as then we hate the Anglo-Saxons and are drawn to the Teutons, who never considered us to be people.
          For centuries, we have been skillfully pitted with fraternal Slavic neighbors, playing on our imperial manners and scaring them with us. And we are being led, constantly repeating about hyenas and threatening to drive everyone to hell.
          Every time someone calls the Poles hyenas and psheks, they put a plus sign in the State Department.
          1. demo
            demo 22 December 2019 20: 06
            0
            I had something else in mind.
            That is what the Kremlin reasoned.
            And it was precisely to such conclusions that Stalin and the Politburo arrived.
            And what you carefully read is a big plus.
  50. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 22 December 2019 11: 51
    0
    History is dead, survivors say for it, if it was relatively recently, and documents. It's good if these are documents from the state archives, otherwise a lot of "documents" from private collections have already appeared, which need to be checked and verified.