US Treasury demanded to immediately stop work on Russian pipelines

Sanctions imposed by the USA against the Nord Stream-2 and Turkish Stream pipelines take effect immediately; pipeline construction should be stopped immediately. The United States Department of the Treasury made this clarification to the adopted defense budget.

After signing (...) they take effect immediately. Parties that knowingly sold, leased or leased vessels that participated in the construction of pipes more than 100 feet below sea level for construction (...) should ensure that these vessels immediately cease construction activities

- the explanation says.

The US Treasury explained that they allow some exceptions if "an immediate stoppage of work is a threat to safety", but otherwise the work should be stopped immediately.

In turn, the operator of the Nord Stream-2 Nord Stream 2 company said that the construction contractor, Allseas, temporarily suspended the laying of the pipeline until it received clarifications due to US sanctions. It is pointed out that since the project is important for the security of energy supplies to Europe, the construction of the pipeline will be accelerated.

Together with the companies participating in the project, we will work on its completion as soon as possible.

- the message says Nord Stream 2

Comments

[elfik]

Dali doo .... invest grandmother in ... and then hacked!

[WILL]

Quote: elfik

Dali doo .... invest grandmother in ... and then hacked!

In MMM - Did a loser invest?
And do not worry about the gas pipeline, we’ll finish it!
Better demand from the US Treasury - pay increase, for your money ... I look for wear - Work out!

[cost]

What we are seeing now is rather weak measures. Sanctions could make it impossible to purchase equipment for this project. Sanctions could hit Russian foreign debt. We did not see any of this. As a result, we have a very late response in a situation where the project is almost completed

[Lopatov]

Quote: Rich

As a result, we have a very late response in a situation where the project is almost completed

But the Germans .... annoyed. To put it mildly.
Trying with the capitalist beast to pull out a piece of meat, which has already ended up in pasty, not a very smart tactic.
Especially if these are your allies.

Well, if we also remember about Turkey, which threaten to kick the "allies" out of the military bases on their territory ...

[Observer2014]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Rich

As a result, we have a very late response in a situation where the project is almost completed

But the Germans .... annoyed. To put it mildly.
Trying with the capitalist beast to pull out a piece of meat, which has already ended up in pasty, not a very smart tactic.
Especially if these are your allies.

Well, if we also remember about Turkey, which threaten to kick the "allies" out of the military bases on their territory ...

It's all blah blah blah. And nothing more.
I hope Putin will have no choice but to make the country proud of military victories. At the Olympics, spit under the white flag. What should we lose? Take Southeast bu Ukraine. Now nothing holds you. Well, apart from the relatives of the elites hanging out in the West. It's okay. Muscovites with their foreign housing are not Russia.

[rotkiv04]

Are you serious about military victories? You still do not understand that the guarantor is a great PR man and beat him in his childhood, and not he

[vkfriendly]

And who in childhood didn’t beat you or something, I doubt it ?, and not when Putin didn’t utter the phrase “beat or beat”. There was a phrase fighting.

[Prisoner]

You were beaten in childhood and so what? Any boy in his childhood was beaten and anyone beat. Only not all became presidents. Some people write any kind of canoe. Self-affirm.

[aws4]

do not go too far .. Putin is all but a puppet

[bayard]

Quote: Observer2014

I hope Putin will have no choice but to make the country proud of military victories.

Are you talking about war?
In essence, these sanctions are a declaration of war - a war without rules, but still economic. Although ... if you add up these sanctions and this order of the US Treasury Department "all-all-all" with the shooting at Lubyanka ... This is really a declaration of war. No rules . When the game on other circuits has already been lost.
The last argument of the kings.
But to be proud of the consequences of this war will be difficult for both sides. These will not be conventional toys, not agreements behind the backs of the warring parties, when the most vile and infernal techniques, with sabotage, sabotage, treason and other delights of the capitalist world, will be used.
... So do not call trouble, and at all. Including all those who are not categorically ready for war.
You and I in Donbass have been getting used to the war for almost six years now. But all the rest of the inhabitants of Russia should not wish such "happiness", Putin already won this time of peace for Russia. And at what cost.
... By the way, maybe I'm wrong, and you have not been in the Donbass for a long time?

[Lexus]

Earlier, US Senators Ted Cruz and Ron Johnson warned of the risk of "crushing and fatal" sanctions against Allseas. The authors note that if sanctions are imposed, Allseas' property in the United States may be blocked, including its American headquarters in Houston, the company will be "cut off" from the United States market, any transactions in American jurisdictions will be prohibited (that is, in fact, settlement in dollars) , and company executives will be banned from entering the United States.

Colleague
The Americans waited until Gazprom wasted enough on the construction of the joint venture-2 and the transformer substation and thrashed. Now everyone who takes up Russian pipes will be mercilessly beaten and imposed with sanctions. Russia does not have its own pipe-laying fleet. And migrant workers from Central Asia will not do it. I doubt that the owners of Allseas and others like them will rush from Texas and the Netherlands to the Russian Federation for permanent residence and drag the fixed assets.
In other words, SP-2 is almost everything. If they do not start building their own pipelayers ... Instead of "unnecessary" warships of the 1st rank, for example, they will ask to treat this "with understanding" ...
And alas, it is clear about the South-East too. The Kremlin has chosen an impotent policy of "throwing money at the foe," as it used to be one small but "proud" republic, where they also called upon to kill Russians ... and killed.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: lexus

SP-2 almost everything

Dreams, dreams ... "Lokhus"

Quote: lexus

And as for the Southeast, alas, it’s clear

"Lekhus", are you Wang? My doubts ...

Quote: lexus

Impotent Policy Elected by the Kremlin

But who would doubt ... one thing pleases - Wang of you, well, just a little bit worse than none

[your1970]

Quote: lexus

In other words, SP-2 is almost everything. If you don’t start building your own pipe layers.

- already !!! already bothered !!!! back in 2010 ....
"But the core, around which, in fact, the production complex is being formed is the flagship of the MRTS fleet - pipe-laying barge (TUB) "Fortune". This is the newest, largest and most modern vessel among Russian pipe-laying barges (TUB).
Fortune was built in 2010 at the Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industry Co. shipyard Ltd. in Shanghai. The total displacement of the vessel is 39 tons, dimensions - 989 meters in length and 169 in width, height - more than 46 m, and draft from 13,5 to 5 meters. The barge is equipped with a 9-anchor positioning system, with anchors weighing 12 tons. Fortune has four diesel generators of 20 kW each to supply electricity, and a satellite dish is installed on it to maintain uninterrupted communication, provide the barge with television and high-speed Internet. A separate description deserves the ship’s lifting equipment, consisting of a caterpillar crane with a lifting capacity of 2500 tons and a standard ship crane on the port side of the vessel with a lifting capacity of 250 tons. In 2012, the barge was modernized and a crane with a lifting capacity of 1600 tons was installed (300 tons at an outreach of 72 m). But this is not the limit - on the deck it is possible to install a full-time crane with a lifting capacity of up to 2,5 - 3 thousand tons.
A similar crane with a payload of 1600 tons turns Fortuna into a heavy crane vessel, which can participate in offshore and coastal construction or development of underwater fields. "

The only troubles are laying speed (1,5 versus 6 km per day) and seaworthiness

[your1970]

then they will drive a ship from the Far East ..
The construction period will be lengthened, it is possible that ours will be able to rip something off Allseas - although they will definitely run into "force majeure"

[IvanT]

Cheaper and faster to install the system on a barge

[Lopatov]

Quote: lexus

Russia does not have its own pipe-laying fleet

?
Actually there is.

[tracer]

It was after this that they stopped killing. Although I do not agree with this roll-over procedure.

[ZAV69]

Quote: lexus

In other words, SP-2 almost everything

actually

..... back in October, the Russian pipe-laying barge Fortuna arrived at the German port of Mukran, where pipes for the Nord Stream-2 are shipped. The ship is considered the most powerful in its class in Russia. According to Marinetraffic, the barge has been in the port for seven weeks now.

It is known that the vessel has already been used in the construction of the Nord Stream-2. Fortuna was laying the 13-kilometer coastal section of the gas pipeline in Russia. At the same time, in terms of its technical parameters, the pipe-laying barge is capable of working out the Danish section, since the depth of the sea in that area does not exceed 100 meters, and at Fortuna the restrictions reach 200 meters.

[skif8013]

. Muscovites with their foreign housing is not Russia.

To the point, Moscow is not all of Russia!

[Cook]

Of course, to the point, because every Muscovite has a hut abroad.

[Sergei71]

Is there inter-regional discord? But what about what unites everyone - scrapes, the Kremlin, plywood in the square, priests and other joys?

[Spambox]

Yeah, every little Moskvich also has small things and a yacht and a private plane. Do you have that brain FGM? One not clever nonsense wrote, but you repeat colleagues for what? His post on the subject of inciting hatred to a group of persons would be good to check so that nonsense is no longer written

[skif8013]

To the point, Moscow is not all of Russia!

Muscovites, do not be offended. Individually, you are normal guys) But judging by the cons of you on the site, most.)

[Doliva63]

Quote: Observer2014

Quote: Spade

Quote: Rich

As a result, we have a very late response in a situation where the project is almost completed

But the Germans .... annoyed. To put it mildly.
Trying with the capitalist beast to pull out a piece of meat, which has already ended up in pasty, not a very smart tactic.
Especially if these are your allies.

Well, if we also remember about Turkey, which threaten to kick the "allies" out of the military bases on their territory ...

It's all blah blah blah. And nothing more.
I hope Putin will have no choice but to make the country proud of military victories. At the Olympics, spit under the white flag. What should we lose? Take Southeast bu Ukraine. Now nothing holds you. Well, apart from the relatives of the elites hanging out in the West. It's okay. Muscovites with their foreign housing are not Russia.

We change the loss of income for corpses? I even remembered Ilyich right away - he was right, damn it!

[Boris Chernikov]

do not hysteria, everything will be fine)

[xax]

Quote: Observer2014

Muscovites with their foreign housing is not Russia

Let's all fall apart again into the principalities, yeah. The country was torn apart in the 90s, now they are trying to separate Moscow.

[Prisoner]

This old rotten mantra is repeated by "well-wishers" of all sorts with manic tenacity at every opportunity and for any reason.

[xax]

Tatar separatist? Where are you from?

[Prisoner]

Not close to a separatist. I am categorically against the howls of "well-wishers" that "Moscow is itself, and Russia is not Moscow." For such statements, an article must be registered in the Criminal Code.

[xax]

It was inconvenient. I understood you the exact opposite.

[Prisoner]

It happens. Everything is fine.

[Snusmumrik]

Can one be proud of a country without military victories?

[aws4]

to the point ... it turns out many understand that all this is a circus for the layman

[xax]

Do you think the territorial integrity of Russia is a circus?

[Spambox]

Yeah, but I’ll take a look at all of Russia, Moscow, no matter how you relate to it, is a region as a donor; How to work or study, all go to non-rubber, and from their couch they argue who Russia is and who not.

[Roman070280]

fully provides itself also dates from other regions.

Strange you subsidize me ..
Every month in your city they build new multi-level interchanges .. and we can’t build one in our city for 10 years .. there’s not enough money further than the project .. With grief in half, a 50-meter overpass that fell apart 20 years ago, we decided to repair ..
Probably, you work somehow differently ... not even for ten ... but immediately for a hundred like me ... And everyone in Moscow is exclusively the same as you ... and in the rest of the country there are only idlers ... sitting on your neck. . From that and you don’t give them anything ..

[Spambox]

In Moscow, 15 million live almost 000% of the population of Russia. Accordingly, tax deductions from employees more. It’s not my fault that they cannot build an overpass and I didn’t call anyone idlers

[Roman070280]

It’s not my fault that you cannot build an overpass

And I didn’t say that you were to blame ..

I didn’t call anyone loafers

So it seemed so simple to me ..))

Как work or study everything in non-rubber they go, and from their couch they argue who Russia is and who not.

Well, with regards to how much where he lives .. who is easier on this ??
This does not change the fact that Moscow is a separate state, and other cities are just a pale shadow ..

Well, now a few numbers ..
Budget expenditures of Moscow in 2019 - 2,740 trillion rubles.
Voronezh budget expenditures 2019 - 17,9 billion rubles.

I got a difference of 153 times .. with a population difference of 15 times ..

[xax]

If the numbers are really interesting to you, then let's count together.

Quote: Roman070280

Budget expenditures of Moscow in 2019 - 2,740 trillion rubles.
Voronezh budget expenditures 2019 - 17,9 billion rubles.

Moscow is a city of federal significance (the region itself), therefore, the Moscow budget includes income and expenses that are characteristic of both the city and the region. The main income items of the Moscow budget are income tax and individual income tax. In Voronezh (as in any other city except St. Petersburg, Sevastopol and Moscow) - these income items go to the regional treasury and are not taken into account in the city treasury. Thus, it is not correct to compare the figures you quoted.
If we compare the income of the city + region (which will be more true in our case), the picture is not so peppy:
- Moscow + MO = 3 453 billion rubles per 23 people (officially) or 20 people (unofficially), only 214 or 926 million rubles per person.
- Voronezh + oblast = 124,97 billion for 2 people, a total of 327 million rubles per person.

The difference is only 2 times. And this does not include other municipal budgets. Much less than 10 times, right?

Further along the roads and interchanges.
The length of Moscow roads is only 2 times higher than the length of Voronezh roads - 3600 km versus 1454,38 km. As a result, according to official data, 1 Muscovite accounts for 0,28 m / person (unofficial 0,18 m / person), and 1,38 m / person for a resident of Voronezh. So your road situation is much better than in Moscow. Suddenly?

And so on and so forth.
In conclusion, I’ll just add that Moscow’s budgets are being successfully used, for example, for annual mass replacements of curbs, chippers, giant granite cubes of incomprehensible purpose and the like, which, being purchased and changed with such a frequency, do not at all benefit the Muscovites, but bear benefit only to someone who is involved in the production and installation of these very simple things. So we do not have time to get caught up here - someone is guzzling for us. And we also have a lot of interesting things, for example, paid parking and tow trucks - a valid attraction for pumping money from our pockets into whose pockets you need. Greetings from the capital to the glorious hail of Voronezh.

Links:
budget.mos.ru
budget.mosreg.ru
stroi.mos.ru
voronezh.interactive-budget.ru
www.govvrn.ru
The decision of the Voronezh mountains. Duma of December 20, 2017 N 742-IV

[Roman070280]

Moscow is a city of federal significance (the region itself),

Moscow is its own country ..

If we compare the income of the city + region (which will be more accurate in our case)

In your case, this is a manipulation ..

For there was talk that SPECIFICALLY in Moscow there are 10 times more people per person than in other cities (including in the Moscow region .. it’s not for nothing that they say that he left the Moscow Ring Road - ruin)

Simply put - there is an oligarch who eats meat .. he is compared with other population .. And you added his impoverished neighbors to the oligarch .. and as a result, the average temperature in the hospital came out "only a little 2 times"

With the same success, you can "count" "the income of the city + region and + federal district" .. Divide by the population .. and it turns out that the center of Russia does not live richer than any Far East or Siberia ..
The deliberate spreading of Moscow among the rest of the population does not change the facts and the figures that I quoted above ..

Further along the roads and interchanges. Suddenly?

MOSCOW, January 22. / TASS /. The length of roads in the capital exceeded 6 thousand kilometers in 2019. This was reported by TASS in the press service of the capital's Department of Transport. In addition, over 120 km of new highways were built in the capital last year. and 55 bridges

I think there’s no point in continuing further ..

We also have a lot of interesting things, for example, paid parking and tow trucks -

Why is this with you ?? In Voronezh half of the city - the whole center - is paid .. About tow trucks it’s generally strange to read ..
We even have a ring road toll for several years !! What is generally nonsense .. just keep quiet about it ..
So we won’t be taking pictures .. let’s dwell on what I started with - a once-bigger budget per person, plus new bridges / interchanges / flyovers every month ..


PS .. to be honest, it was even strange to read your argument, and arguments about an equal number of roads .. People living here are really surprised that for decades, finally, they made a roundabout at one intersection .. It's just a mega-event .. Then as in Moscow - it's just ordinary .. How can you even take to compare ..))

[xax]

Quote: Roman070280

For the conversation was about what is SPECIFIC in Moscow per person

People in Voronezh spend both city and regional money (or, in your opinion, the Voronezh region spends its budget on all other territorial units, except for its administrative center - Voronezh?). And for people in Moscow - only city money is being spent, since Moscow is not included in the Moscow region.
Therefore, in order to get an objective picture, you must either understand how much of its 125 billion budget the Voronezh region spends on the city of Voronezh in addition to its city budget, or (more realistic), you can compare the sum of the budgets of the region and the city to the sum of their population. Still simple. Straight is very simple.
To be more precise, we should consider the generally consolidated budget (including the budgets of municipalities, districts, settlements), and not just the sum of the regional and city. The resulting numbers will surprise you even more.

I was able to convey to you something good and bright?

[Roman070280]

People in Voronezh spend both city and regional money

I don’t understand what you want to prove with this ??
Even if all the regional money of Voronezh is transferred to Voronezh (leaving the entire region without a penny), the amount of 10 times more will not come out for every Voronezh citizen ..
And if we discard "even if" .. (because - in the region there are 2,5 times the population of the city, who also want bread and circuses), then nothing is clear at all ..
Again you are trying to "smear" the numbers, and no more ..

(or, in your opinion, the Voronezh region spends its budget on all other territorial units, except for its administrative center - Voronezh?)

No, damn it .. the region spends its budget on the construction of a kindergarten in the center of Voronezh .. that's right it is ..))

Therefore, in order to get an objective picture, it is necessary either to understand how much of its 125 billion budget, the Voronezh region spends on the city of Voronezh in addition to its city budget

I repeat - even 5-6 city budgets do not change the situation at all, with population growth and a hundredfold increase in territory !!
But in reality, of course, almost everything from the regional budget is spent precisely on the development of the region ..

or (more realistic), you can compare the sum of the budgets of the region and the city to the sum of their population.

We again come to the conclusion that it is "more realistic" to compare the sum of the budgets of the region, the city, and the federal district .. to the sum of their population .. Of course, we do not get any realistic picture!

To be more precise, we should consider the generally consolidated budget (including the budgets of municipalities, districts, settlements), and not just the sum of the regional and city. The resulting numbers will surprise you even more.

Why do I need settlements when I am talking exclusively about Moscow with its population and money .. Well, stop pretending that the Voronezh Region is helping Voronezh, and Moscow is helping its "settlements" ..


I repeat - MOSCOW, January 22. / TASS /. The length of roads in the capital exceeded 6 thousand kilometers in 2019. This was reported by TASS in the press service of the capital's Department of Transport. In addition, last year over 120 km of new highways and 55 bridges were erected in the capital

How many bridges were built in Voronezh during the same period ?? Maybe at least 5-6 ?? (although if you don’t agree that the difference with Moscow is 10 times, and our region is still bothering us, then there should be 10-20 bridges then)
Eh ..

I was able to convey to you something good and bright?

To do this, I go to the circus with the children ..))

[reservist]

Quote: Observer2014

Muscovites with their foreign housing is not Russia

even in the last century he became a Muscovite ... I really want to know where I have "foreign housing"?
But about the fact that Moscow is not quite Russia, about the place where people come from all over Russia and the CIS, and where the minority of those born in Moscow agree, I agree ...

[Essex62]

I am a Muscovite, but save me from the foreign. There is such a bum, like blueness and tolerance. All under one comb is not worth it. Moscow is still a labor city. Although plankton certainly outweighs at times.
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[Tomich3]

So what? "The German government is not planning any retaliatory measures against the US sanctions against the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. This is reported by the DPA news agency with reference to the coordinator for transatlantic cooperation Peter Beyer. He quoted DW."

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tomic3

So what? "The German government is not planning any retaliatory measures against the US sanctions against the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. This is reported by the DPA news agency with reference to the coordinator for transatlantic cooperation Peter Beyer. He quoted DW."

We'll see.

[Private-K]

Not only Germans. All European energy aristocracy is wildly annoyed.
They also invested heavily and expect to receive dividends.
They expect to supply their own industry, their power plants, and their energy consumption systems with Russian gas.
А U.S. Treasury Department seems hysterical panic attack (there is such a medical phenomenon).

[Fan-fan]

In any case, Americans have nothing to lose from their own, as you called it "hysterical panic attack," and we may lose our last pensions.

[Private-K]

Quote: Fan-Fan

In any case, Americans have nothing to lose from their own, as you called it "hysterical panic attack," and we may lose our last pensions.

Americans are rapidly losing preventive respect and unquestioned authority.
If the Euro-energy-aristocracy withstands this collision (namely, that "hitting", it is with a rogue sense), the authority and level of respect for amers will fall even lower. This is time.
Euro-aristocracy will finally be convinced that "the Americans want us evil." With all that it implies. This is two.

[Fan-fan]

Well, Europe does not want us "good" and I do not believe that Europe will fight with the United States for the interests of Gazprom. Why does Europe need SP2, when gas will again go through Ukraine in full volume? And the Americans do not need respect, they need profit, they can bend many without any respect.

[Private-K]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Well, Europe does not want us "good" and I do not believe that Europe will fight with the United States for the interests of Gazprom. Why does Europe need SP2, when gas will again go through Ukraine in full volume? And the Americans do not need respect, they need profit, they can bend many without any respect.

You did not understand. Europe has been tied to Russian gas since the construction of the Pipe. Industry, energy, electrification of the population.
Moreover, receiving gas at an adequate, not causing bathert, price, Euro-energy-artistocracy does not have an insulting and humiliating pressure from the Russian Federation and Gazprom. But the Americans, not only do they demand a price almost twice as high as the Russian Gazprom, but behave in a cheeky and offensive manner even on a personal level. (The first thing you hear about Americans from a European: "Hams!" Is such a cultural demarcation marker.)
Gazprom guarantees a timely stable supply of goods, which has repeatedly proved in difficult situations. The USA does not guarantee. Moreover, they threaten and wave their whip.
Now put yourself in the place of the Euro-energy-aristocrat - you need a partner like an American, or better, a lowly Russian goon, but an honest barbarian.

[Fan-fan]

Of course, our gas is cheaper for them, but I said differently, namely: why did Europe need SP-2 when Putin promised that gas would go to Europe through Ukraine? Or did you forget that the SP-2 was built in order to pump gas to Europe in exchange for the Ukrainian GTS?

[your1970]

Quote: Fan-Fan

but I said differently, namely: why did Europe need SP-2, when Putin promised that gas will go to Europe through Ukraine?

- only here the gas volumes are practically 2 times less than before ....

[Arkon]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Or did you forget that the SP-2 was built in order to pump gas to Europe in exchange for the Ukrainian GTS?

Where did you get this from? The volume of gas supplies from Gazprom to Europe has almost doubled since the turn of the century. That is, the option when the Turkish Stream and SP-2 "replace" the outgoing Ukrainian transit is the worst scenario, which does not allow an increase in supply volumes. But we are ready for it. The best option is when we reserve the opportunity to use the Ukrainian pipe, but this use will not bring income to the Russophobic regime of Kiev. And it will be even better when Russophobia in Ukraine is destroyed. Then the pipe can be fully loaded, because gas consumption in Europe will only grow - "green energy" has tried.

[Alex Justice]

In any case, the Americans have nothing to lose.

They are losing their reputation. Everyone sees what is happening. There is no democracy that America is so boasting about; there is a dictatorship of the strong.

[Alexey from Perm]

Most of all, we are annoyed if all this money is thrown to the wind, and even Gazprom bent under the Ukrainians. Gazprom and us will win back by raising tariffs

[1536]

All the "poor" Germans got irritated. Probably, all construction was insured for billions, and now the money is still being ripped off, from those who violate the construction deadlines, that is, there is no need to guess who. By an agreement with the United States, he carries a mile away, the old priest will not let her go.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: 1536

Probably insured all the construction for billions

From the sanctions of SyShyA against a Swiss company? This is unlikely (s).

Such things are usually considered force majeure. Well, like there is war or natural disaster

Quote: 1536

now they’ll get money from those who violate the construction terms, that is, you don’t have to guess with whom

Once again - it's unlikely ...

Quote: 1536

By agreement with the United States for a mile away

Fool

The states here really make it difficult for a German to breathe, what kind of ... "agreement" ...

[your1970]

Quote: 1536

with those who violate the construction time,

-And in this situation, the construction terms are violated ...... tad-dam ....Swiss-Dutch company Allseas !!!
they undertook to build for a certain period of time, for which grandmothers and received ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

Trying at the capitalist beast to pull out a piece of meat, ...

So then it is. That's just the beast that this piece of meat pulls out an order of magnitude more powerful. In every way.

Especially if these are your allies.

For Germany, the United States is not an ally, ...... but host. However, there is a difference.
I won’t be surprised if the Germans start buying American LNG.

[Chaldon48]

Our diplomats need to work, which is called a sweat, but to mobilize all international laws that still have at least some power to counter the illegal US activities. The US cannot stop this, but public opinion also cannot be completely discounted.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Rich

As a result, we have a very late response in a situation where the project is almost completed

The ball was kicked to the side of the mattresses. Now their feint will be.

[Flatter]

MOSCOW, December 21 - RIA Novosti. The Swiss-Dutch company Allseas, which is laying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, has suspended work on the project due to the threat of US sanctions, the company said in a press release.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Flatter

suspended work on the project due to the threat of US sanctions

So already the Germans and the European Union have declared that they are against the imposition of sanctions.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Flatter

suspended work on the project due to the threat of US sanctions

So already the Germans and the European Union have declared that they are against the imposition of sanctions.

Volodya, they are of course against sanctions, if they personally concern them. And against the divorce of Gazprom, they have nothing against. And they themselves are ready to breed Gazprom:
The European Court of Justice on September 10 granted Poland's claim and overturned the European Commission's decision that allowed Gazprom to use the Opal pipeline at full capacity.
This gas pipeline is one of two (the second is Nel) onshore extensions of the Nord Stream (JV) gas pipeline through Germany
More details: https://www.newsru.com/finance/11sep2019/gazpromopal.html

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

Volodya, they are of course against sanctions, if they personally concern them.

Well, that’s what they personally concern.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

Volodya, they are of course against sanctions, if they personally concern them.

Well, that’s what they personally concern.

Yes, Europe is against sanctions precisely in the part concerning them personally, and Europe wants to breed "successful" Gazprom managers no less than the United States. It was Europe that took the 3rd energy package and the decision on Opal. What I mean is that you shouldn't expect the Europeans to rush to fight for Gazprom with the United States. They will consider that it is more profitable for them and there they will decide whether to oppose the United States, or to further twist Gazprom's hands together with the United States. Gazprom, too, has nowhere to go, so much dough has already been piled into gas pipelines. And if you remember that some of the extra pipes of the Turkish stream were completely cut, you can grab your head from such prospects. And Ukraine has already proved this, Gazprom has nowhere to go, money has already been invested in projects and the pipe cannot be turned in the other direction.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

They will consider that it is more profitable for them and will decide there

... that it’s better to buy more, and lose a significant portion of the profit. Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the interests of the United States.

Do you even know that, for example, half the cost of SP-2 from the pockets of Europeans?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

They will consider that it is more profitable for them and will decide there

... that it’s better to buy more, and lose a significant portion of the profit. Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the interests of the United States.

Do you even know that, for example, half the cost of SP-2 from the pockets of Europeans?

What is the last shirt Turkey takes off on gas ?! If it removes, then from Gazprom. After all, this is not Turkey, but Gazprom cut pipes after Turkey left only two of the x-threads of the project. And now the occupancy of these remaining at risk (source LJ El-Murid):
"Turkey appealed to Israel with a proposal to start negotiations on the construction of a gas pipeline, from which Israeli gas will be supplied from offshore fields to Europe. Earlier Turkey has repeatedly stated that it" will not allow "the implementation of such a project. Despite this, the Turks now say that" open to negotiations ”.
The nuance is that Turkey is categorically against the transfer of a gas pipeline to Europe through Greece. But it is extremely favorable to such a transfer through the territory of Turkey according to the TANAP system.
Turkey intends to become a central Middle East gas hub (and, by the way, has pretty far advanced in this direction), and is extremely interested in all the main gas flows going to Southern Europe through its territory.
There are four such flows — Russian gas from the north, gas from Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan (including Kazakh) from the east, gas from Qatar and Iran from the southeast, and Israeli and Egyptian gas from fields discovered in 2009 in the eastern Mediterranean from the south.
The Turks are only at the beginning of the journey, but the goal is too serious to rush somewhere. It is clear that not everyone likes the plans of Turkey, and frankly speaking, no one likes the Turks themselves.
Erdogan's recent statement, extremely unfriendly to the Kremlin, in which he accused the Kremlin of escalating the conflict in Libya and threatened to respond symmetrically - apparently an important part of the overall picture. The Turks simply warned the Kremlin that it was not concerned with the affairs of Turkey and Israel. And if suddenly something, the Turks will answer. Not directly, but "from the side" - in Libya. "

And tell me, how are the Europeans who invested their money in the gas pipeline themselves and then limited its capacity to half, or didn’t you hear anything about Opal? You are not me, you tell the Europeans about their own investments and their benefits. And then they don’t listen to you and don’t catch up with something, they impose restrictions on themselves (Gazprom).

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

What is the last shirt Turkey takes off on gas ?!

The size of this shirt is at least one billion dollars a year only at a discount on gas.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

What is the last shirt Turkey takes off on gas ?!

The size of this shirt is at least one billion dollars a year only at a discount on gas.

So I didn’t understand, if I take off the last shirt from Turkey, it looks like a discount from Gazprom in the amount of one billion ?! So Turkey started all this in order to get even more discounts! Do you even understand this? That Turkey reduces purchases from Gazprom and takes there, who give even more discounts, that Turkey is simply trying to oversaturated its market with gas! Where will I eat the last shirt from Turkey ?!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

So I didn’t understand, if I take off the last shirt from Turkey, it looks like a discount from Gazprom in the amount of one billion ?! So Turkey started all this in order to get even more discounts! Do you even understand this?

Of course I understand.
And you stubbornly pretend that you do not understand that if there is no gas, then there will be no discounts on it.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

So I didn’t understand, if I take off the last shirt from Turkey, it looks like a discount from Gazprom in the amount of one billion ?! So Turkey started all this in order to get even more discounts! Do you even understand this?

Of course I understand.
And you stubbornly pretend that you do not understand that if there is no gas, then there will be no discounts on it.

It's you, not I wrote that Turkey takes off his last shirt in the case of Gazprom. I have already shown you that she doesn’t take anything anywhere, but rather in profit. In any case, Turkey will have gas (re-read my comments above): Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan (including Kazakh), from the southeast - gas from Qatar and Iran, from the south - Israeli and Egyptian gas from the fields.
But Gazprom, if it rests and does not give Turkey the necessary discounts, will remain with an unprofitable empty gas pipeline.

Everything, further to argue with you about the last shirt removed from Turkey, I see no reason at all. If you include Gazprom discounts with your shirt off, then write that Turkey will be left without gas, and this is with the existing TANAP gas pipeline competing with South Stream. You simply contradict the logic, in the case of a discount on gas (who takes off his shirt from someone) and the actual state of affairs when you write that Turkey will be left without gas. thanks for communication

[Karen]

I apologize, but I want to emphasize here ... About 10 years ago Konstantin Zatulin informed the whole newspaper page that the whole Russian policy of the Russian Foreign Ministry was being built by Yevgeny Primakov, and Turkey was the main direction in it Above All ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

It's you, not I wrote that Turkey takes off his last shirt in the case of Gazprom

I did not write this.
My phrase was
"Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the sake of US interests."

You managed to reverse its meaning to the opposite. Not good.

There is Turkey, which agreed with Gazprom. Favorably agreed
There are USA who are trying to deprive Turkey of these benefits.
There is you who declare that "they will consider what is more profitable for them and will decide there"

The question is backfill: what is there to think? If you are offered to give 1000 rubles, or not, you will decide for a long time what is more profitable for you?

Quote: Leshy1975

Everything, further to argue with you about the last shirt removed from Turkey, I see no reason at all.

Because composing for me and challenging it becomes difficult?
eight))))))

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

It's you, not I wrote that Turkey takes off his last shirt in the case of Gazprom

I did not write this.
My phrase was
"Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the sake of US interests."

You managed to reverse its meaning to the opposite. Not good.

There is Turkey, which agreed with Gazprom. Favorably agreed
There are USA who are trying to deprive Turkey of these benefits.
There is you who declare that "they will consider what is more profitable for them and will decide there"

The question is backfill: what is there to think? If you are offered to give 1000 rubles, or not, you will decide for a long time what is more profitable for you?

Quote: Leshy1975

Everything, further to argue with you about the last shirt removed from Turkey, I see no reason at all.

Because composing for me and challenging it becomes difficult?
eight))))))

Enough can get out, huh? You have long lost in three pines and your whole message that

My phrase was
"Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the sake of US interests."

is simply breaking up to pieces with history with the acquisition by Turkey of complexes
S-400 in the Russian Federation. Now I’m waiting for your clarification in which exactly such US interests this was done with such a scandal, since Turkey does everything to please the USA, but I didn’t understand the point correctly, turned everything upside down, and your phrase was not related to gas.

And yet again on gas and Turkey, who is blackmailing someone and who is spreading someone and taking off his last shirt (source eadaily.com):
Turkey has reduced imports of Russian gas by one third, and the volumes delivered in nine months would be enough for pumping through the already existing Blue Stream gas pipeline. The economic crisis in the country and low gas prices in Europe podzumilis Gazprom in the whole region on the eve of the launch of the Turkish Stream. Compared to last year, the export of Russian gas to the Balkans and to Turkey for the nine months of this year decreased by 7 billion cubic meters.

The entire decline in Russian gas exports to Europe this year occurred precisely due to Turkey and the Balkan countries - Romania, Bulgaria and Greece. Turkey showed the largest reduction in imports - by 34%. According to Gazprom’s quarterly RAS report, gas deliveries on the other side of the Black Sea totaled 11,79 billion cubic meters in the nine months of this year, while last year they did not quite reach 18 billion cubic meters.

A sharp drop in supplies is very important on the eve of the launch of the Turkish Stream. With such consumption in Turkey and the Balkans next year, there will be enough Russian gas to fully load the existing Blue Stream with a capacity of 16 billion cubic meters per year and to fill only half of one branch of the Turkish Stream capacity of 15,75 billion cubic meters. In this case, the situation can dramatically improve only by the end of next year, when Bulgaria should build a continuation of the Turkish Stream along with compressor stations and will be able to supply 12 billion cubic meters a year to Europe.
Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/11/18/appetit-turcii-k-rossiyskomu-gazu-suzilsya-do-golubogo-potoka

And if Turkey will continue to reduce the consumption of Russian gas?
Source (interfax): In the first quarter of 2019, Turkey purchased only 4,522 billion cubic meters. m of gas against 7,917 billion cubic meters. m in the first quarter of 2018 Turkey increases purchases of cheaper gas in Azerbaijan, as well as liquefied natural gas (LNG) in the spot market, notes "Interfax".

Now go and tell the Turks that they took off their last shirt and do not forget about their phenomenal economic offer

If you are offered to give 1000 rubles, or not, you will decide for a long time what is more profitable for you?

.

PS I am looking forward to your reply regarding "Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the sake of US interests." in conjunction with the supply of S-400 complexes. Once I misunderstood and turned everything over with gas.

[Vadim237]

You don’t worry - soon LNG will be at 500 bucks per thousand cubic meters, now it is being pushed below cost and most of the suppliers will drop out tomorrow and prices will go up. The main thing is that LNG would get more hooked.

[voyaka uh]

Assuming that it will be the other way around. The price of LNG will fall. Will be
LNG exchange with futures, like an oil exchange.
Across Europe, the construction of reception terminals and
LNG storage And on the east coast of the USA, too.
The gas from Texas will be piped to the Atlantic
liquefy further on ships - to Europe.
While this chain is in its infancy, and the price is high.

[Vadim237]

It will not fall - producers need a profit, preferably large.

[karabass]

And you are the best specialist in all matters in the world! Yes, and a clairvoyant! My regards

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

Enough can get out, huh?

Is it me, damn it, I’m changing other people's words?
This is rudeness, dear.

My phrase was very clear.
You managed to see the opposite in her. And now you declare that I am "getting out"!

Or maybe I should blame you for lying? After all, you attributed to me what I said.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

Enough can get out, huh?

Is it me, damn it, I’m changing other people's words?
This is rudeness, dear.

My phrase was very clear.
You managed to see the opposite in her. And now you declare that I am "getting out"!

Or maybe I should blame you for lying? After all, you attributed to me what I said.

Well i.e. to your phrase

"Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the sake of US interests."

what is this expressed, since I changed everything, will there be no answer, despite my request?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

what is it expressed

This is expressed in the fact that Turkey will not support the US sanctions against the "Turkish Stream", because it deprives it of a fairly large part of its income, discounts and other preferences.
Moreover, Turkey will be even more unhappy than now.

What is complicated in this phrase?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

what is it expressed

This is expressed in the fact that Turkey will not support the US sanctions against the "Turkish Stream", because it deprives it of a fairly large part of its income, discounts and other preferences.
Moreover, Turkey will be even more unhappy than now.

What is complicated in this phrase?

Well, some kind of misunderstanding and misunderstanding with you turns out. Then they would write immediately in quotation marks. And not how you look:

Quote: Leshy1975
They will consider that it is more profitable for them and will decide there

... that it’s better to buy more, and lose a significant portion of the profit. Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the interests of the United States.

And it’s not clear what they argued then, if initially you meant the opposite.
The meaning of the expression Take off the last shirt - Destroy, bring to poverty of someone. I realized that Turkey, in your opinion, is ready to give the last for the sake of the USA.
If I offended you, I apologize.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Spade

Similarly, Turkey is ready to take off its last shirt for the interests of the United States.

So the sanctions and the Turkish stream concern.

[Lopatov]

Exactly.
And the cessation of its construction will deprive Turkey of strong incomes.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Spade

And the cessation of its construction will deprive Turkey of strong incomes.

Yeah. Tear up in a chicken coop, in short.

[Fan-fan]

In their chicken coop, tear, and losses to us?

[anykin]

Quote: Leshy1975

whether together with the USA to twist Gazprom’s hands further

In the sense of twisting? To achieve a reduction in gas prices? Americans then definitely kondraty enough.

[Georgiy]

Quote: Leshy1975

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

Volodya, they are of course against sanctions, if they personally concern them.

Well, that’s what they personally concern.

Yes, Europe is against sanctions precisely in the part concerning them personally, and Europe wants to breed "successful" Gazprom managers no less than the United States. It was Europe that took the 3rd energy package and the decision on Opal. What I mean is that you shouldn't expect the Europeans to rush to fight for Gazprom with the United States. They will consider that it is more profitable for them and there they will decide whether to oppose the United States, or to further twist Gazprom's hands together with the United States. Gazprom, too, has nowhere to go, so much dough has already been piled into gas pipelines. And if you remember that some of the extra pipes of the Turkish stream were completely cut, you can grab your head from such prospects. And Ukraine has already proved this, Gazprom has nowhere to go, money has already been invested in projects and the pipe cannot be turned in the other direction.

That is, everyone is sure that the urgent repair of the Ukrainian GTS cannot fail? And if you still screw it up? Well, there, for example, Natsik local will blow something up? In this case, who will bend whom?

[Fan-fan]

For 5 years, the Natsiks have not touched the pipe and will not touch it, because they understand that then Europe will seriously take up for them seriously.

[Brturin]

Quote: Leshy1975

The European Court of Justice on September 10 granted Poland's claim and overturned the European Commission's decision that allowed Gazprom to use the Opal pipeline at full capacity.

"The German government on November 20 filed a complaint against the decision of the European Court of Justice with the European Court ..." - Ministry of Economy and Energy of the Federal Republic of Germany.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: BrTurin

Quote: Leshy1975

The European Court of Justice on September 10 granted Poland's claim and overturned the European Commission's decision that allowed Gazprom to use the Opal pipeline at full capacity.

"The German government on November 20 filed a complaint against the decision of the European Court of Justice with the European Court ..." - Ministry of Economy and Energy of the Federal Republic of Germany.

Well filed a complaint. This is not a guarantee of revision. If Germany was so interested, then why did it bring it to this, and if it is not so strong in this matter, then it is not known how it will end.

[Brturin]

Quote: Leshy1975

Well, I filed a complaint ... why did I bring it to this at all.

They didn’t say anything, despite the fact that the EC refused to appeal.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

Well filed a complaint. This is not a guarantee of revision.

This is evidence that there is no such thing as "Europeans", as you are trying to convince. And for example. in gas issues, the interests of Poland and Germany are opposite.
The former want to have super-profits from the sale of LNG; Germany, on the contrary, prefers to resell the Russian pipe.
For reference, the Poles swelled a lot of money into the construction of infrastructure for LNG reception and regasification. But more than a record 32% could not load them.
SP-2 can even finish off this project.

[AAK]

So Germany and the EU do not refuse from sanctions, but they will still enter them ... they have nowhere to go ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Flatter

The Swiss-Dutch company Allseas, which is laying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, has suspended work on the project

I'm wondering how it paused? What about contractual obligations? Or is it written in the contract, I want to work, I want not? Or US sanctions, is it force majeure? So it’s not far to lose your business image. Allseas, what about the penalty for the delay in the project?

[Fan-fan]

And do not remember how we had a contract on the Mistral? And what much penalty did we get then?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Fan-Fan

did we have a contract on the Mistral? And what much penalty did we get then?

As far as I remember, the French returned 3 lard, also with interest.

[Fan-fan]

I found on the network data on the French return of a maximum of 1,1 lard and that they say a secret return. Everything is not transparent here.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Everything is not transparent in general

Well, how is it not transparent? The scandal was global. Half a year the topic was sucked.

[maidan.izrailovich]

The Swiss-Dutch company Allseas, which is laying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, has suspended work ....

So some here are not very serious about the situation.
And if we recall Gazprom’s deflection in negotiations with Ukraine, it is clear that these two events lie on the same plane.
As unpleasant as it may seem, one must admit that the "partners" are outplaying the Kremlin.

[antivirus]

THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THE INITIATOR AGAINST JV2 -OKRAINA MUST PAY FOR OPPOSITION TO GAZPROM. I hope we lost ground for 5 years, then we will win back in cohland.
or clamp them before?

[major147]

Quote: antivirus

INITIATOR AGAINST SP2 - OUTLINE

Do you seriously consider them players !? They themselves are played. They only fulfill their assigned role. All these "maidans", "against-SP" and others like them, the West's game to weaken Russia by one means or another. Whoever needs a neighbor at hand, who, by chance, "slaps" them in passing, is spinning.

[antivirus]

hedgehogs ate cacti and cried. but ate

[antivirus]

human memory ---- very selective, but not that much (I am happy with my disadvantages and your + in PM) - AFTER SIGNING THE GAS CONTRACT FOR 10 YEARS YU. FOR "UNFAVORABLE CONDITIONS" AND THE Ukrainian PLANTED INDUSTRIES UNDER YANUKOVYCH. this is a long-term trend - and Stockholm arbitration only realized the unfriendliness of the West towards the Russian Federation. Outskirts of course urged the United States, BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YATSENYUK AND TURCHINOV WITH GUNPOWDER HAVE "REVIEWED VOTERS ORDERS" AND GOT ​​SUPPORT FROM "US"
to blame everything on the "damned imperialists" -good, and you against your will - will refuse a profitable supplier ??? and from unfavorable conditions?
accumulated between the Russian Federation and the Ocre in total contradictions and they were sent in the right direction.

[major147]

Quote: antivirus

I'm glad your +

And again I will support-)

[antivirus]

I didn’t want to go deeper - THE WEST AND THE USA CLEARLY DRAW A LINE TO THE BALANCE FOR FOREIGN TRADE--, WITH THE CHINA WITH NOW, US vs. EU).
We tried to firmly keep the outskirts in our "red lines", + our raw materials (everything) and the market of the Russian Federation, which is open for Ukrainian goods, did not loop, it became more profitable to break in Russia and go west

[lis-ik]

Quote: antivirus

. I hope we lost ground for 5 years, then we will win back in cohland.
or clamp them before?

Who is there to clamp and recoup ?! These ruling crooks and bribe takers? There, if only they couldn’t hit, they would sell everything at retail and wholesale.

[Fan-fan]

On account of the fact that we "squeeze them" has long been ridiculous.

[orionvitt]

Don't worry, in any case, everything that is signed is beneficial to Russia. If not politically, then financially for sure. At least not at a loss. And as far as Ukraine is concerned, everything that gets to them becomes their throats. The perennial Ukrainian problem, peremoga, always turns into joy. With all their might they help the "aggressor" to replenish his budget, including the military one.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Rich

Sanctions could make purchasing impossible equipment for this project. Sanctions could hit Russian external to the debt. None of this we did not see.

Not quite so: sanctions against external debt, energy projects, etc. are considered under another US law and will be considered at track. week.

So nothing is finished, alas .....

[bar]

we have a very late reaction in a situation where the project is almost completed

Until "almost completed" it is necessary to bring several kilometers of pipes to the coast, and the Allseas company has stopped work and is unlikely to resume. Threatened Russian barges to fit, which can cook pipes in shallow water. The only question is, did they manage to reach the "shallow water" or not? But the project will now stretch out to 2020.

[Liam]

Quote: bar

They threatened to fit Russian barges that could cook pipes in shallow water

Do Russian barges have permission from the Danes to lay pipes?

[bar]

Have the Danes not yet passed? They should already be in the territorial waters of Germany.

[Sadam]

one pipelayer in the Baltic Sea and really very small for depth and such weather in winter. the other is at the far end of the world in Nakhodka and he would have done more ... but I have a question - didn’t we expect such a scenario in the Kremlin again? - now overtake him in winter on top of the singers holding eugenkinot with an icebreaker this is more than a swordsman ...
... and Switzerland a maritime power exporting carbon .... Lavrov ... how much these pipe layers can cost ..

[kapitan92]

Quote: Rich

What we are seeing now is rather weak measures.

Dmitry,
You cannot call them weak. The Swiss company has suspended pipe laying work. This is a fact.
This company has been cooperating with the American oil giants for quite some time and most likely has accounts in the States. She can lose a lot, so she took
time to comprehend the situation.

Quote: Rich

Sanctions could hit Russian foreign debt. We did not see any of this. As a result, we have a very late response in a situation where the project is almost completed

Still to come. The mattresses, I think, will not stop, and they will continue to shit. To which Gazprom signed in preliminary negotiations, 65 billion cubic meters in 2020 and 40 billion for another 4 years. The contract is for 5 years. Moreover, the Okraintsy no longer want to receive the debt "in kind" (gas).
Given the warm winter in Europe, gas prices are unlikely to rise and Gazprom's revenue loss is expected to be around 15-17%.
Putin at a press conference said in passing that it would be possible to coagulate debt on Eurobonds and the debt of Gazprom, but there is the sovereign debt of the state, and here the debt of a commercial structure. The situation is complicated!
In any case, Gazprom, having such "costs" on the European market, will take them out of our pockets in Russia!

[Vadim237]

Winter is warm - and summer will be icy, the paradoxes of weather next year will continue.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: ANIMAL

Quote: elfik

Dali doo .... invest grandmother in ... and then hacked!

In MMM - Did a loser invest?
And do not worry about the gas pipeline, we’ll finish it!
Better demand from the US Treasury - pay increase, for your money ... I look for wear - Work out!

There are a minimum of TWO interconnected reasons to worry:
1) Excessive capacity for gas transportation, at least 5 years (and then 50/50). After all, new gas pipelines were built as a replacement for the Ukrainian gas transportation system, if anyone had already forgotten the statements of the leadership of Gazprom and the country, and not in addition. When will these new pipelines pay off now?
2) Due to the difficult situation on the European market, Gazprom has already announced:
Revenues from the export of natural gas are no longer enough to subsidize the work of Gazprom in the domestic market, where gas prices are three times lower than European ones.

You really don't have to worry about Gazprom, it already knows how (by whom) to cover the losses. But what are you happy about? The fact that Gazprom (the country's leadership) did not have enough qualifications so as not to get into such a situation? Well, rejoice, build two or even three half-empty gas pipelines. The population will pay for all these "economically successful" projects if they have more money. Well, of course, our tariffs are as much as three times lower, after the sounded, you can probably say there were. Please tell us so that I, together with you, would experience pride and joy for Gazprom and the state as a whole. Along with tariffs, will the incomes of the population also be raised to the average European level, or will it be reduced further, as in recent years?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

When will these new pipelines pay off now?

And this is the problem of European companies. For example, in SP-2 their investments amount to at least half.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leshy1975

When will these new pipelines pay off now?

And this is the problem of European companies. For example, in SP-2 their investments amount to at least half.

But Gazprom should not understand these problems. He does not need to pay for anything.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leshy1975

But Gazprom should not understand these problems. He does not need to pay for anything.

Necessary.
But not only him

[Brturin]

Quote: Leshy1975

Revenues from the export of natural gas are no longer enough to subsidize the work of Gazprom in the domestic market, where gas prices are three times lower than European ones.

December 2015 - Gazprom's net loss from supplies to the domestic market in 2016 may amount to 33,5 billion rubles, and profitability - minus 3,5%, Mr. Vitaly Khatkov, head of the Gazprom department
April 2017 - “A gradual equalization of wholesale gas prices should be ensured for subsequent sale to the population with wholesale gas prices for industrial consumers. The task can be solved due to higher rates of growth in gas prices for the population "- Deputy Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom Valery Golubev
They express their concerns and wishes for price increases constantly, but for now ....

[Leshy1975]

Quote: BrTurin

Quote: Leshy1975

Revenues from the export of natural gas are no longer enough to subsidize the work of Gazprom in the domestic market, where gas prices are three times lower than European ones.

December 2015 - Gazprom's net loss from supplies to the domestic market in 2016 may amount to 33,5 billion rubles, and profitability - minus 3,5%, Mr. Vitaly Khatkov, head of the Gazprom department
April 2017 - “A gradual equalization of wholesale gas prices should be ensured for subsequent sale to the population with wholesale gas prices for industrial consumers. The task can be solved due to higher rates of growth in gas prices for the population "- Deputy Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom Valery Golubev
They express their concerns and wishes for price increases constantly, but for now ....

If you haven’t noticed, after 2017 extremely unpopular decisions have already been made in the country, and before that, too, somehow it had been.
I'm not talking about 2015, when all the hearing stated that there would be no transit through Ukraine.
That is why, in the light of the actual situation with several unfilled gas pipelines, the chance of increasing gas tariffs inside the Russian Federation is higher than ever. You are unlikely to argue with this.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Leshy1975

Together with tariffs, will the incomes of the population also be raised to the average European ones, or will they be reduced further in the same way as in recent years?

And they will rise as a result of the tax maneuver by the year 2025. Unless it will be possible to dump everything on damned mattresses.

[Victor N]

No one will raise household incomes: only themselves.
Losing a battle does not mean losing a battle, it is not yet evening.

[Fan-fan]

I remember only one battle we won - the battle for Crimea, but the battle for Ukraine is lost, the battle for Syria has not yet been won. Can anyone recall what battles we won in 20 years?

[sabakina]

Quote: ANIMAL

In MMM - Did a loser invest? :

I don’t know about the elf, but Lenya Golubkov managed to buy boots for his wife.

The advertising is silent about the rest. I threw my voucher into the Volga. And in the literal and figurative sense. Well, they did not teach us this either at school or at school ....

[Russobel]

I look at the waffle not only with scribbles, but also with a populk ...

[fox_rudy]

Probably nickname obliges !!

[lis-ik]

Quote: ANIMAL

And do not worry about the gas pipeline, we’ll finish it!

I doubt it. And our bribe-takers were spinning like that, so they pleased Ukraine and transit and money. Rights saying about shame, got both.

[Alexey from Perm]

How were you going to finish building? It was completed if Russian companies and Russian equipment worked. And here Western companies work, which for them will be more important and more profitable, they will do so. They won’t ask you for sure))

[Crazy]

A couple of kilometers left heh heh .. It's a Jewish blow!
What are we going to do? three lard Svidomo still have to 12 .. and the gas is actually free, so they bombed Donbass .... Eh Russia you drove yourself into a corner (or rather, our power)
Here, the Jewish lawyers are clearly working .. And we scratch the back of the head in Russia, as always ..
But the Russians do not give up "gentlemen" and your dances are clear to us .. Here we will meet the New Year and then with new forces and surprises he he
Wait !!!!
I smell genes ..

[cost]

Greetings, Vitaliy
The absurdity of the situation is added by the fact that sanctions were imposed under the pretext of concern about Ukrainian transit. But nothing threatens him. On the eve of Moscow and Kiev announced the achievement of agreements to continue pumping gas through Ukraine. However, this did not stop the US sanction rush.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rich

The absurdity of the situation is added by the fact that sanctions were imposed under the pretext of concern about Ukrainian transit.

The war in its purest form.

[Crazy]

Quote: Rich

Greetings, Vitaliy

Hi Dimon!

Quote: Rich

The absurdity of the situation is added by the fact that sanctions were imposed under the pretext of concern about Ukrainian transit. But nothing threatens him. On the eve of Moscow and Kiev announced the achievement of agreements to continue pumping gas through Ukraine. However, another US sanction impulse did not stop

Everything is offensively terrible, it is to read and feel ..
Here’s Roman, I’m asking you a question, I understand who you are with your stuff ... And I’ll fight to the last
Such is my nature and soul ..

[Non liberoid Russian]

did not eat in the morning or what?

[Crazy]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

did not eat in the morning or what?

I don’t have a bite after the first

[Starover_Z]

The sanctions imposed by the United States against the Nord Stream 2 and Turkish Stream pipelines take effect immediately, and work on laying the pipelines must be stopped immediately. This explanation to the adopted defense budget was made by the US Treasury Department.

Ahrinet, by God! World Gendarme! Yes, for a long time it was necessary to leave the dollar purse and create several regional ones - European, Asian, South American ... And then let the States try to repeat their mansions!

[Nkv3]

So go out!
Why shake the air with words?
Or is something bothering you?
Maybe Wishlist has not grown enough?

[Maz]

nonsense. Germany sleeps and sees - get out of the absolute control of the USA and crush Europe under itself. The Germans cannot do this without Russia and its resources! A united Europe is sleeping and sees itself as a world superpower, again without the control of the Anglo-Saxons. The same France sharply changed its tough stance. Macron goes to Victory Day in Moscow! Trump is thinking! This is all for a reason ... there is a slow and systematic rapprochement between Russia and Europe. Yes, we are told on the map on the family to twist together in all places of the United States and Brit. There is also China and India, if tied up. Arabs ... oh mom shaw will be! Therefore, the Americans again spin the dynamo in Syria. Before the gnashing of teeth, they need a gas pipeline and an oil pipeline SAudia - Europe. And then a bummer. Hmeimim, Tartus, and even Israel is like flying into this mess, so no words.

[Crazy]

Quote: Maz

nonsense. Germany sleeps and sees - get out of the absolute control of the USA and crush Europe under itself.

Maz, you look straight politician-analyst became hehe
Are you all taught in Israel that way?

[Maz]

And what have you learned to think with your own brains ... sorry. Bismarck's dream lives and conquers

[Yury Siritsky]

Do you yourself .... or maybe di .....

[private person]

Wow, that man said, man did (joke). And no one has the power to object.

[shubin]

And what kind of man is the Ministry of Finance or the operator?

[private person]

Uncle Sam, who else can dictate their terms.

[cniza]

Together with the companies participating in the project, we will work on its completion as soon as possible.

There is a safety net and the work will only accelerate after such statements.

[Crazy]

Quote: cniza

There is a safety net and the work will only accelerate after such statements.

I really hope so .. Otherwise, the war!

[Nikolay87]

Quote: cniza

Together with the companies participating in the project, we will work on its completion as soon as possible.

There is a safety net and the work will only accelerate after such statements.

Do not understand. The work is suspended, but will it accelerate? How so?

[cniza]

And like this:

It is pointed out that since the project is important for the security of energy supplies to Europe, the construction of the pipeline will be accelerated.

[Nikolay87]

Why are you quoting these "calming" phrases to me. I thought you knew what the safety net mentioned in the article is.

[cniza]

Please read:

Details can be found in this note:
Russian pipe layer will insure Nord Stream-2

[Sayan]

Yeah, shazzzz, they run as much as they blow off their hat, they stumble this is already a hysteria.

[donavi49]

Well, the main stacker - Allseas has already stopped work and asks tearfully not to knock. For he will close a large branch in the United States and threaten to arrest ships.

Yes, and why rush? The next 5 years, through Ukraine, the contract and 3 billion more will be paid from above.

[Siberian 66]

The Swiss urgently need to sell their barges to our Navy. And say that it was) Let them now talk with the Navy.

[donavi49]

Well, barges, if anything, will be replaced by a sanctioned Fortune. However, this stacker will be one and it is much less productive. That is, the rest will be laid 3-5 months. But then again, there’s nowhere to hurry.

[FenH]

Quote: donavi49

Well, barges, if anything, will be replaced by a sanctioned Fortune. However, this stacker will be one and it is much less productive. That is, the rest will be laid 3-5 months. But then again, there’s nowhere to hurry.

Depends on the weather, on the first line you need a month, on the second another-2. Tentatively-May

[Alexander Sharapov]

But why rush now - transit through Ukraine has been extended with smaller volumes, we’ll finish building it on our own, with the same Fortune, but we will pay 3 attention to each other ... let svidomye rejoice for now, they will cry later

[major147]

Quote: Alexandr Sharapov

3 eyes for mutual consideration ... let svidomye rejoice

Infa is that they return this "three rubles" to Russia as "the debt of Yanukovych."

[bar]

Infa is that they return this "three rubles" to Russia as "the debt of Yanukovych."

Info from Kozak - during the negotiations on the Ukrainian Eurobonds it was not mentioned "in order not to complicate the negotiations."
Smile and wave (s)

[Looking for]

and on January 2, Ukraine will file new lawsuits worth tens of billions. and what will you do to it.? the conclusion of a new treaty is the greatest mistake. The leadership of this country can’t be BELIEVED !!!! As soon as they receive theirs, all their agreements and promises are deducted. A new contract has not been concluded yet. And they are already announcing an increase in the transit tariff.

[Brturin]

Quote: Alexandr Sharapov

and 3 eyeglasses are interchangeable ...

There is still a court in London and so far these are just wishes, and “We'll pay by the end of the year” - Gazprom’s representative Sergey Kupriyanov.
And in this regard, the issue of the antimonopoly investigation in Ukraine against Gazprom - the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine in 2015 issued a fine to Gazprom in the amount of 86,86 billion hryvnia (3,2 billion dollars) and has already arrested Gazprom's property remaining in Ukraine (shares of JSC Gaztranzit "... not much, but ....) with this what ... is it included in the package agreement or there are only Stockholm claims, and this one is like the Crimean one (" As for the arbitration of assets in Crimea, which belong to the Naftogaz "This is not mentioned in the protocol in any way. This is a separate process, the state of the Russian Federation is a party to this process") is not included in this ....

[Liam]

Quote: donavi49

Well, barges, if anything, will be replaced by a sanctioned Fortune. However, this stacker will be one and it is much less productive. That is, the rest will be laid 3-5 months. But then again, there’s nowhere to hurry.

Denmark gave the installation permits specifically to the Swiss company. Fortuna needs a new permit. The same applies to the coastal German section. The permits were issued under the Swiss and expire if I am not mistaken on 31.12.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX. I will have to seek new permissions again and prove that the Russian the pipelayer has the same competencies, including in the field of ecology, as the Swiss. That is not a fact

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

The same permits for laying were given by Denmark to a Swiss company.

"The Danish Energy Agency (DEA) has issued a permit to Nord Stream 2 AG to lay a part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline on the Danish continental shelf south-east of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea" - DEA press release. But what vessels are registered by Nord Stream 2 AG in the application ... perhaps Fortuna, because the application for this route was submitted last and it was clear that everything would not go smoothly.

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

maybe fortune

Is there at least 1 official line from Gazprom in this regard?

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

Is there at least 1 official line from Gazprom in this regard?

Why did she come to Germany? It’s easy to drive a ship, fuel, traveling crew ...

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

Quote: Liam

Is there at least 1 official line from Gazprom in this regard?

Why did she come to Germany? It’s easy to drive a ship, fuel, traveling crew ...

Perhaps for coastal work on the German section, for example, for Germans with easier permits. And less depth)
Has this vessel ever laid at least 1 km of pipes to a depth of at least 100 meters?

[Mordvin 3]

Why is it tiled under the flag of Hong Kong sanctioned? Remove from the register, and it will be illegal. Hong Kong needs our problems.
"Well, if anything, the barges will be replaced by a sanctions-resistant Fortune."

[askort154]

Sibiryak 66 ...The Swiss urgently need to sell their barges to our Navy. And say that it was) Let them now talk with the Navy.

The idea! Just do not sell, but lease for a month. Like, we are tired, we are supposed to have a vacation on New Year's Eve and a very hot champagne.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: donavi49

Yes, and why rush? The next 5 years, through Ukraine, the contract and 3 billion more will be paid from above.

And then they will find something else, and this "bagpipe" will play for a long time.

[Non liberoid Russian]

no one will pay anything ... no 3 lard, and gas without a discount ... and the contract there is purely there, anyway, just feel a bit ... the margin is almost zero, there’s enough money from it to support the pipe and bread without oil

[major147]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

enough money from him to support the pipe but for bread without oil

I recently counted:
The volumes of transit of Russian gas through the gas transportation system of Ukraine in 2015 and 2016 are 67,1 billion cubic meters.
In 2017, the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine almost reached 94 billion cubic meters.
In 2018, 93,5 billion cubic meters were transported through Ukraine
In 2019, the volume of gas pumped through Ukraine amounted, according to some estimates, from 80 to 90 billion cubic meters of gas.
Turkish "streams" - 2 pcs. = 31,5 billion cubic meters / cubic meter in year;
SP - 2 pcs. = 55 billion cubic meters. in year;
Total: 86.5 billion cubic meters. in year;
The first year of transit - 65 billion cubic meters - until the SP-2 is fully operational and half of the continuation of the SP-1 is won and the "tourist flow-2" (which is in the EU) will be completed, and then 40 billion cubic meters purely that would be slightly above "0" profit was.

[Vadim237]

The US Treasury demanded - right now everyone ran to run. These guys can be sent openly in three letters.

[Kronos]

So already stopped

[Non liberoid Russian]

while suspended

[shubin]

You can already conclude a bet, the Americans will squeeze sowing. pot. 2, or not. I am for the first option.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: shubin

You can already conclude a bet, the Americans will squeeze sowing. pot. 2, or not. I'm for the first option

And I'm for the second ... We’ll cover it with a bagel?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: shubin

You can already conclude a bet, the Americans will squeeze sowing. pot. 2, or not. I am for the first option.

I am for the second. Only the "song" will be the same. And how many were stolen at the same time. All training manuals are the same.

[ultra]

They won’t squeeze anything, Gazprom has its own pipe-laying machine, the maximum deadlines will shift in the spring.

[Alexga]

Well, why not kill the titanium Boeing, and rocket engines too !?

[Pessimist22]

And where will the capitalists get the money? You do not mix profits with national pride.

[donavi49]

You can kill a titanium Boeing, but what to do with VSMPO-AVISMA - 20 people are working, it’s quite a progressive enterprise. Shipment:
23,30 thousand tons of Boeing, Watermelon and other foreign customers
7,6 thousand tons sales in Russia

And more titanium is not needed inside. That is, 60% of production must be stopped, people expelled, a progressive enterprise in a year or two will become unprofitable and require subsidies ...

With engines in general, everything is interesting, from 27 American launches this year, depended on Russia 4:
2 Antares with Swans on the ISS, according to the station supply program. All missiles for the current (CRS) program are already paid. Whether Swan and Antares will be in CRS-2 is a big question. Based on the high cost and active lobbying by Lockheed (now, while Sierra Nevada was making its own nano-shuttle, they were being footballed, as soon as the corporation visited them, things went smoothly and NASA runs after them, includes the nano-shuttle in all shortlisted ) - there will probably be a replacement.

2 Atlases - one military satellite, one Starliner yesterday.

The rest of the missiles left on their engines. Next year, Fireflies enter the market and NASA is interested there. Methane Volcano is actively sawing just to replace Atlas (well, the Deltas and a little later - although Hevik wants to keep 480 million for the ULA rocket for as long as possible, because the Volcano will not give so much money from the thing).

[Alexga]

Thanks for the clarification, I didn’t know such details.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: donavi49

And more titanium is not needed inside.

If you do not develop your aircraft industry - then yes, it is not necessary. But it’s worth introducing sanctions against Boeing and Airbus, obliging air carriers to purchase our cars - titanium will find application inside the country.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

aircraft construction

"Sharpening" is FIVE !!

Quote: Dog Heart

... advice on a cosmic scale, and cosmic stupidity ...

Man, how much did you take the diploma? And the certificate?

[CT-55_11-9009]

Golovan, and that you don’t need to develop your aircraft industry, or what? Purely half-dead Boeings to buy, so that they fall like pears in the fall?

[donavi49]

No. Even if you change the entire fleet to mythical titanium planes, Russia is still not enough.

Boeing produces 700 aircraft a year, Watermelon 500-600. The entire fleet of Aeroflot = 240 cars.

And I am already silent about the fact that in modern Russia the peak was about 40 cars a year. Even if you expand up to 100 planes a year (again, there will be nowhere to put them, and in 5-6 years all customers will be completely loaded and production will have to be stopped or reduced to 10-20 machines) - this is not a replacement for 1000+ machines with VSMPO titanium -AVISMA.

[bar]

2 Antares with Swans on the ISS, according to the station supply program.

Well, one Antares already missed the ISS, so not everything is so rosy.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Will you pay the salaries to the hard workers?

[Kronos]

Americans will find where else to buy but businesses will not find anyone else to sell and will bend

[cat Rusich]

For starters, do not buy cars that are related to companies from the usa. Do not go to McDonald's, do not buy KFC chicken, Coca-kola and Aifon ... and other products from US firms. Together, with all the people, we will defeat the United States!

[Arkon]

Here the Swiss got ... In principle, in this situation it is not yet clear who the loser is, because the gas pipeline will still not work until spring, so we are not running out of time, the remaining 200 km. Quietly, in three or four months "Akademik Chersky" will report, to whom sanctions are not a hindrance, and if the contract with Olsiz provides for fines for refusal to build, then these fines will be direct income of Gazprom.
Let's see ...

[Avior]

What about the Shvetsars? they have already withdrawn all the money, there are crumbs left, and then force majeure

[major147]

Quote: Arkon

construction penalties

This question is also interesting to me, sanctions do not fall under "force majeure". These are the risks of the performer.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Arkon

will report "Academician Chersky", who is not a hindrance to sanctions,

You are seriously mistaken. Sanctions against any company that will build a pipe. And since Chersky belongs to Gazprom, the US Treasury will directly arrest Gazprom’s accounts. Or any Russian.

[Arkon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And since Chersky belongs to Gazprom, the US Treasury will directly arrest Gazprom’s accounts. Or any Russian.

Well, so far the US Treasury has only achieved that the share of settlements in dollars of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has decreased to less than 25%, and the euro has increased to 33%. Grew up and yuan. Gazprom does not trade with the United States, and Europe-Asia will gladly switch to its own currencies.

Any Russian? Well, let them take a chance. It’s even interesting - they will risk it or not.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Arkon

Well, let them take a chance. It’s even interesting - they will risk it or not.

Ask Deripaska, who gave all the aluminum under their control.

[Arkon]

And what is wrong with Deripaska? Both En + and Rusal work, regularly pay taxes at the location - in Moscow. What happened?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Arkon

What happened?

And the fact that it is controlled by foreign citizens. Google yourself, I don’t have time to raise the old man, fighting off in all directions.

[Arkon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I do not have time to raise the old man, fighting off in all directions.

Well, wait, it’s you who got involved in the discussion, please do not crawl away!
Indeed, at the request of the US Treasury, half of the seats on the board of directors of Rusal were taken by the Americans and the British. This is true. However, the company's revenues are not shared between board members. Revenues are shared among shareholders.
So, VTB and Glencore sold the shares of Deripaska. Both companies, in fact, are Russian - VTB and so it is clear, Glencore - the Swiss laundry is still the Communist Party.

What's wrong? If the new sanctions force German companies, the owners of the SP-2, to sell their shares for nothing to Gazprom, then I personally will only be happy with such sanctions.

I’ll also go overturn a pile.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Arkon

However, the company's revenues are not shared between board members. Revenues are shared among shareholders.

And what does the income have to do with it? It is enough in which direction the best alloys go, and where - the rest. Not, of course, the shareholders have a green piece of paper in clear priority over alloy grades, however ...

Quote: Arkon

Russian - VTB

Sharashkina office with muhlera.

Quote: Arkon

If the new sanctions force German companies, the owners of the SP-2, to sell their shares for nothing to Gazprom, then I personally will only be happy with such sanctions.

So what are you, a shareholder of Gazprom? Ugh, just one more Vadik was missing here.

Quote: Arkon

I’ll also go overturn a pile.

Go ahead, I’ve gotten a three to four hundred grams ahead of you if you haven’t rolled it yet.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And what does the income have to do with it? It is enough in which direction the best alloys go, and where - the rest

Vladimir, do not talk nonsense ... what are the "best alloys" for your mother?

Quote: Mordvin 3

I’ve gotten three hundred or four hundred grams ahead of you

Noticeably. But under a fly walking around the site is an extremely unhealthy occupation ...

[Arkon]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Vladimir, do not talk nonsense ... what are the "best alloys" for your mother?

They got ahead of me. I, too, have already managed to "be surprised" ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Arkon

I also had time to "be surprised"

I was finished off by the "best alloys". MISIS behind the ovens, kakbe

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Vladimir, do not talk nonsense ... what are the "best alloys" for your mother?

And what is wrong? They will say refined luminium, this is Boeing, and leave the rest to yourself, and send it to Watermelon. AND?

Quote: Golovan Jack

walking on the site is an extremely unhealthy occupation ...

So boring. I’ll argue with anyone.

[Arkon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And what does the income have to do with it? It is enough in which direction the best alloys go, and where - the rest.

Hmmm .... "Best Alloys"? Even commenting is inconvenient. Think for yourself what you wrote.

The rest too. VTB - "sharashkina office" (60% of the shares belong to the state)? Is Gazprom needed only by its shareholders (50% of the shares are owned by the state)? So this is the largest taxpayers in Russia. And state companies, besides. The income of which goes to social services and national projects.
Who the hell are you? Why are you informationally attacking the sources of income of the Russian Federation?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Arkon

VTB - "sharashkina office" (60% of the shares belong to the state)?

My hometown is now just destroying VTB.
Further. There is such a phone thing, TELE 2 is called. So, how VTB bought them, sheer disappointments. Sometimes you’ll connect some kind of nonsense yourself, then you wonder where the money went.

Quote: Arkon

Who the hell are you?

I am a citizen of the Russian Federation. And who are you?

[Arkon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

My hometown is now just destroying VTB.
Further. There is such a phone thing, TELE 2 is called. So, how VTB bought them, sheer disappointments. Sometimes you’ll connect some kind of nonsense yourself, then you wonder where the money went.

Don’t tell me - he got into his pocket, and there they stole a trifle. Hmm .... All the best.

[vitvit123]

VTB has a 27,5% stake. The main owner of Rostelecom. No ?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vitvit123

VTB has a 27,5% stake. The main owner of Rostelecom. No ?

No idea. Initially, Tele 2 bought from the Swedes VTB. The rate at the Swedes I had 5 cents per minute.

[vitvit123]

If you have no idea, how do you say about VTB? or how are you?
there is no idea, there is no idea, but how many comments ....

[Mordvin 3]

They got it. He said the same.

Quote: Mordvin 3

Initially, Tele 2 bought from the Swedes VTB.

I am on Tele2 literally from the very beginning when she was Swedish. As VTB bought it, so all the crap started. All retired for business.

[vitvit123]

VTB did not buy it!
counter package at Rostelecom.

[vitvit123]

It is you who are severely mistaken, and not the first time, and you know about it.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vitvit123

It’s you who are seriously mistaken and not the first time,

What exactly? Is fortune flying the flag of Hong Kong? The fact that Putin made an amnesty for militants?

[vitvit123]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: vitvit123

It’s you who are seriously mistaken and not the first time,

What exactly? Is fortune flying the flag of Hong Kong? The fact that Putin made an amnesty for militants?

I wanted to point out, but when I started to think about what is most suitable, then your brain became smoky from your blizzard ... so how much I read your comments, it’s so impressive ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vitvit123

I wanted to indicate

Probably about the pipe layer. So he is in the Far East, and in stock for the construction of JV 2 is Fortune.

[vitvit123]

And he does not go to the seas? or is someone driving us now? never thought: in five years will be able to reach the Baltic? no ?

[Mordvin 3]

Reaches, do not worry. 2-3 months. And Gazprom will fall under sanctions if politicians do not agree.

[vitvit123]

And then they threw it?

Gazprom, sanctions ... dope to flog the tires?

[Lord of the Sith]

Yankees on the part of the brake from the Estonians studied or what?))
The gas pipeline is almost built, it will not go anywhere.

Their sanctions are no more serious. than shit under the door))

[K-50]

Something pin dos nicki generally lost the coast !!!
I demand not to slowly transfer the territory of North America to the Indians there !!!
Everyone else to evict !!!!

[Alien From]

Yes, yes, yes ........ now we’ll give away all the state secrets ...... On Saturday, they fell into an alcoholic senility?)

[Fedorov]

I am not an analyst-economist, but what does the striped ministry of finance have? There, apart from Russia, Germany steers specifically .. And I think it will be completed, I’m sure it will be.

[Pereira]

We were all sure that banderlogs on European courts would return all our money to a penny. As a result, we paid.

[sleeve]

Well, now the moment of truth. Whether they are sure how unconditional the owner is, I emphasize the owner, and not the leader, of the whole world. This is the simplest test, the actions familiar to criminals when they take away a little, accustoming them to obey and intimidating. Indeed, the North Stream through the efforts of America has turned into a political manifesto. The manifesto of Europe on the remnants of its sovereignty under the fifth сsc, the manifesto of Russia on its returned sovereignty from the obscurantism of world financial totalitarianism, the manifesto of the United States on its global god-like power and permissiveness, and many more on the list, where there is China, and small European mongrel and dense politics of Ukraine. Now the red flags, lines, dashes and strokes here they are, you can touch them with your hands. Previously, about a hundred years ago, cities were crushed for this. We have become more reasonable. But the truth is not all. So either we will achieve our goal, or they will certainly drive us into a striped star stall.

[Kronos]

What are they talking about, they imposed sanctions immediately on all the conditions of Ukraine, what sovereignty went to?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kronos

What are they talking about, they imposed sanctions immediately on all the conditions of Ukraine, what sovereignty went to?

In fact, this was the initial condition for Germany to support Nord Stream 2, the preservation of transit through Ukraine.

[Brturin]

Quote: Spade

In fact, this was the initial condition for Germany to support Nord Stream 2, the preservation of transit through Ukraine.

Then the counter-offer is to maintain transit after the completion of SP-2. “We are very pleased and grateful to the German side for the guarantees that were provided” - December 20, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko. There are guarantees for the completion of SP-2 for the Russian side ????.

[Lopatov]

Quote: BrTurin

There are guarantees for the completion of SP-2 for the Russian side ????.

But why?
Europeans swelled so much money into it that you can do without guarantees.

[Liam]

Quote: Spade

Quote: BrTurin

There are guarantees for the completion of SP-2 for the Russian side ????.

But why?
Europeans swelled so much money into it that you can do without guarantees.

Europeans didn’t swell anything. They simply gave Gazprom loans for half the cost of the pipe. Gazprom is obliged to return loans regardless of whether the pipe is completed or not

[Lopatov]

Quote: Liam

They just gave Gazprom loans

Are you sure about that? Can you confirm your opinion with something?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Liam

This is an open secret as a be.

How bae this "secret" is actually a fairy tale.

You have not found confirmation that the loans were provided to Gazprom. For this is not true.

Your copy and paste says in black and white that the loans were provided by Nord Stream 2, where Gazprom is only a shareholder. And in case of bankruptcy, due to the impossibility of completing construction, the money invested in the form of loans will not be responsible.

So do not mislead others.

[Liam]

Quote: Spade

How bae this "secret" is actually a fairy tale

Once again, you climb into topics about which you have no idea.
Nord Stream 2 AG, the operator of Nord Stream 2, attracted € 2019 million in loans from European partners in March 220, according to a Gazprom report.

“In March 2019, a subsidiary of Nord Stream 2 AG attracted borrowed funds from Wintershall Netherlands Transport and Trading BV, OMV Gas Marketing Trading and Finance BV, Shell Exploration and Production (LXXI) B. V. ”,“ Angie Energy Management Holding Switzerland AG ”,“ Univer Gas Transportation and Finance BV ” in the amount of 220 million euros under the terms of a long-term financing agreement concluded between the parties in April 2017, ”the report says.

Quote: Spade

never found confirmation that loans were granted to Gazprom

GazpromONLY shareholder of Nord Stream 2 AG. I will repay loans to him. By the way. Gazprom will return loans to Europeans. And the pipe itself, built with Gazprom’s money, is already owned by Europeans.
MOSCOW, May 30 - PRIME Gazprom pledged 100% of Nord Stream 2 shares until full repayment of obligations under agreements with foreign partners, the company said in its first quarter 2018 IFRS report.

"As of March 31, 2018, according to the agreements concluded within the framework of financing the Nord Stream-2 project with Wintershall Netherlands Transport and Trading B.V., OMV Gas Marketing Trading & Finance B.V., Shell Exploration and Production (LXXI) BV "," Angie Energy Management Holding Switzerland AG "," Uniper Gas Transportation and Finance BV ", 100% of shares of" Nord Stream 2 AG ", owned by PJSC" Gazprom ", were transferred as a pledge until the full repayment of the secured obligations, "- said in the report.

In early March, Wintershall CEO Mario Mehren reported that European partners in the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project - Shell, OMV, Engie, Uniper and Wintershall - provided Nord Stream 2017 AG in 2 with financing of 324 million euros each.

The sole shareholder of Nord Stream 2 AG is Gazprom.
Learn materiel Shovels

[Lopatov]

Quote: Liam

The sole shareholder of Nord Stream 2 AG is Gazprom.
Learn materiel Shovels

What am I talking about?
Are you having trouble reading?

Above, in Russian and white, I indicated that Gazprom is only a shareholder of this company. And as a shareholder is not obliged to answer for the loans that this company took.
He will only receive interest on profits. And not interest on loans.

Quote: Liam

Give him loans back.

And this allegation must also be confirmed. Already the second.

Quote: Liam

Once again, you climb into topics about which you have no idea

Mantra.
As usual, instead of arguments

I am waiting for confirmation of your statement about "They just gave loans to Gazprom" (c)
While you merge. And you can’t provide evidence.
Look for more.

[Liam]

Shovels .. don’t make the audience laugh.

Quote: Spade

Gazprom "is only a shareholder of this company. And as a shareholder it is not obliged to answer for the loans that this company took.
He will only receive interest on profits. And not interest on loans

You would have a KVN. On a voluntary basis

[Lopatov]

Quote: Liam

You would have a KVN. On a voluntary basis

What are we talking about.
You blurted out nonsense that "Gave loans to Gazprom". And we couldn't confirm it
You blurted out the stupidity that the shareholder would pay off loans. And they could not confirm this.
Which exit? That's right, try to get personal.

I could get a job at least in KVN, at least in a society for the protection of hamsters, this will not change anything. Your allegations will not be true.

[Liam]

Lopatov. Corporate law, JSC, subsidiaries and other complex matters are too complex things for your more than modest abilities. Therefore, I will not even advise you to learn materiel

[Lopatov]

Quote: Liam

Lopatov. Corporate law, JSC, subsidiaries and other complex matters are too complex things for your more than modest abilities. Therefore, I will not even advise you to learn materiel

Not, dear, we are discussing not me, but your statements.
So far, everything looks very bad.

In particular, your statement "They simply gave Gazprom loans half the cost of the pipe. Gazprom is obliged to repay loans"You could not confirm with facts.

That is, this is false information. Well, or a lie. How do you like it.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Liam

There are such passages ...

I do not need these passages.
I wanted. so that you confirm your words. About Gazprom, which has received credits. Didn't work ...

Quote: Liam

... In case of insolvency (bankruptcy) of a subsidiary through the fault of the main society (partnerships) the latter bears subsidiary liability for its debts ...

In addition, you are sure that you are the smartest, while others do not know how to read.

[sleeve]

And have the terms of the contract been announced? So far I've only heard about three billion. term of agreement announced? I’ll tell you more about the loss and expect it further. So far, the supply infrastructure has not been reformatted. 3 billion are flowers, how much Nord2 will really cost, how much more losses from games with opal will be ... But it's worth it in the long run. We have not forgotten how to think for a long time, right?

[Kronos]

Gazprom will get all the profits anyway, not ordinary people

[Vadim237]

And you work for Gazprom - to make a profit from it, it’s enough that it drops half of the profit into the budget, and also opens sports facilities throughout Russia, as well as invests in mechanical engineering, recently invested in the production of satellites - ordinary people need work, he gives it to them.

[Kronos]

Clear defensive bourgeoisie

[sleeve]

Socialist or what?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kronos

Gazprom will get all the profits anyway, not ordinary people

This is not true.

[Vadim237]

Gazprom signed an agreement on gas transit for 5 years and pledged to pay 2.6 billion dollars to Ukraine - money or gas is not known, and Naftogaz itself became the guarantor of gas transit to Europe - it will not work to steal gas, since in this case the courts will wait for Ukraine from Europeans and Russia. Gazprom managed a little blood: stocks will now grow, transit under contracts to Europe is not disrupted, judicial claims are canceled, Ukraine is responsible for the transit and volumes of gas transit.

[Non liberoid Russian]

what conditions ? 5 year contract instead of 10? 40-50 lard cubes 1 year and 15-20 lyadrodv 2-5 all 90? with mathematics, you are clearly doing badly as with logic

[sleeve]

If infa is real, then well done ...

[Стена]

MOSCOW, Dec 21 - PRIME. Under the terms of the new transit agreement, Naftogaz of Ukraine will act as the organizing company and will book 65 billion cubic meters in 2020 and 40 billion cubic meters in 2021-2024, if a competitive tariff is set, Gazprom head Alexei Miller told reporters.

[major147]

Quote: Kronos

all conditions of Ukraine went

What are you about!? Crested 10 years and required 90 billion m \ cubic

[Arkon]

Quote: sleeve

Indeed, the North Stream through the efforts of America has turned into a political manifesto. Manifesto of Europe on the remnants of its sovereignty under the fifth oath, the manifesto of Russia on its returned sovereignty from obscurantism of world financial totalitarianism,

In Europe, in part, I agree - for them SP-2 is, indeed, a kind of "revelation" when they were shown their place. Moreover, I do not believe that there are options for Europe. They will definitely (necessarily, without options, in my opinion) will be squeezed out. There, the "refugees", in fact, have not even been involved yet. Europe will be devoured by the Americans.
But this situation has nothing to do with us, I think. For us, SP-2 does not clarify the situation, it will be completed without any options - but this is not the culmination of the Russia-US confrontation. We are still ahead. Now it all depends on each of us.

[Victor March 47]

But what if the stoppage of the pipeline construction is now financed from the budget of the US Department of Defense, these fighters, in order to save their money, will be their own opportunities to stop the construction? Raids and raids on pipe layers?

A good idea is to extend the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Finance of the Republic of India to international organizations and other countries.

[Vadim237]

Arrange a raid on the pipeline, we raid their base in Syria, including the newly occupied oil areas - using the ATS and the militias.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Vadim237

we will arrange raids on their bases

Oh, Vladimir Vladimirovich did not recognize,

[Vadim237]

They are in fact illegal in Syria - you can do whatever you want.

[Fan-fan]

They are in fact illegal in Syria - you can do whatever you want.

But no one does, for they are afraid.

[Brturin]

Quote: HAM

there is no certainty that Ukraine will give up financial claims against Gazprom in the future

Logically, since a package agreement should be legally prescribed that a transit agreement is valid in the absence of claims ... although with current courts ...

[HAM]

All "independent international courts" are so "independent", as much as horror ....
I don’t remember that Russia won at least something ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: BrTurin

although with current courts ...

the problem is that we don’t know what the terms of the contract are, or maybe we should all through life

[sleeve]

You are right, dear. It's just a clean game. And it seems to me that our non-brothers are still pleasing themselves as always. Very much money is needed now. Right here. And sooo loudly about the overwhelming will shout. So we’ll hardly hear about the important. Namely, the real distribution of gas supplies and prices and revenues from it ... bypassing Ukraine.

[Kronos]

Supporters of Putin like to shout about breakthroughs so that it doesn't happen, he always won

[sleeve]

Is it hard to admit? Do not despair, they show us from behind the hill that you can put with a parting on reality and not bother, giving out wishful thinking. Please, a free country, nevertheless ...

[sabakina]

US Treasury demanded to immediately stop work on Russian pipelines

Excuse me, through Ukraine too? Oh yes, this is the Ukrainian GTS ...

[Vladimir61]

Allseas - temporarily suspended pipeline laying until clarification due to US sanctions

We are already accustomed to the fact that where it is temporary, there is constant, but what about this in Europe? Let's hope that they are not related to our habits.
The farther into the forest, the more firewood! Who did win? That is the question! Some convince that everything is fine - we will not pay 12 billion claims, others, everything is bad. I don’t know who to believe, but logic suggests that these $ 12 will cost us dearly.
In fact, we made concessions (formally recognizing $ 12), extended the ill-fated transit, the next day we also received sanctions to complete the construction ... Cool!

In order not to twist on my own mind, but it turns out that in the short term, we apparently lost. Gazprom was blown away, although it was puffed up like a black grouse on a current, the issue of stopping economic support for "friendly" Ukraine is frozen until 2014, claims and lost income will affect the defense order program (this is perhaps the most relevant topic of discussion of the VO)!

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Vladimir61

frozen until 2014

Sorry, until 2024!

[dedvladimir]

France for non-delivered under the MISTRALA contract returned to RUSSIA the full amount of money. Why, by analogy, do not demand a refund for violations of the contract for the construction of the pipeline.

[Vadim237]

If the company that has suspended the construction of the gas pipeline in the near future does not start laying, the courts will be guaranteed, both from Russia and from Europe, and it will not matter to everyone that sanctions have been imposed on the private company in the courts, these arguments will not fail, since the contract is a contract . And the gas pipeline will be completed by others.

[karabass]

I said that you are a clairvoyant! Or do you edit Gazprom contracts before signing?

[rocket757]

The mutnyak is also inspired by one; there are those who unravel it all. Now they certainly can.

[Flatter]

The invisible hand of the market does not suffer financial losses.

[askort154]

US Treasury demanded to immediately stop work on Russian pipelines

Donald, while the Democrats are trying to impeach you, the financier is playing his game behind you. They are all the same, both with you and with us.

[Dikson]

So who’s the boss in the house .. They bowed down with Ukraine, and then an ultimatum .. But the Ukrainians did well .. - they still will get money from Russia for the situation with the Sea of ​​Azov .. - overseas friends will hesitate .. Fun time. As they already wrote here ... - about half a century ago they declared war to states for such statements .. The question, by the way, is our national security ..

[evgen1221]

And so that our Ministry of Finance does not declare, due to the excess of free seats in the Unions, we prohibit the United States from developing manned spacecraft and carriers, and also oblige us to use only Russian ships under fear of sanctions. The document takes effect immediately and for life.

[Kronos]

Because the United States can ensure the implementation of threats on this topic and Russia does not

[Gennady Fomkin]

"Meanwhile, back in October, the Russian pipe-laying barge Fortuna arrived at the German port of Mukran, where pipes for Nord Stream 2 are being shipped. The vessel is considered the most powerful in its class in Russia. According to Marinetraffic, the barge has been in the port for seven weeks "

So they’ll finish without problems.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The question is for specialists - have the Americans fiscal 2020 already begun on October 1, 2019 or will it start on October 1, 2020?

If it has already begun, how do they live an entire quarter without a budget?

[Gennady Fomkin]

The Germans have already chosen.

They will complete the remaining stub on their own.

[janeck]

interesting .. the Germans take under the visor ?? and how abruptly.

[Pavel57]

Is this a declaration of war?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Pavel57

Is this a declaration of war?

no it

[Vadim237]

Is this showing you your place?

[Barmaleyka]

rudeness is a powerful argument

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

Is this showing you your place?

Vadim - bravo!

But this is not his place ... the guy has nothing to do with service dogs, from the word "in general".

A beekeeper is ... a drone in the broadest sense of the word

Quote: Barmaleyka

rudeness is a powerful argument

Duc, this is ... "don't be rude - and you won't be rude." Law. Newton. Third

[Barmaleyka]

and we will express our next concern, throw them engines for missiles, and work as orbital taxi drivers

[anjey]

Therefore, we quickly agreed with Ukraine, showed strategic flexibility, and we’ll complete the flows anyway, the safety net is of course at first glance a concession, but apparently we still do not have forces against the State Department’s oak-trees, all the more so they are strictly blackmailing our partners, and they can lose ground.

[Ugolek]

Look at the graphs of the increase in EU gas consumption over the past 10 years and the forecast to 2040, and it will become clear that not only SP-2 will be completed, but also SP-3 will be needed.

[Vadim237]

There already Gazprom LNG will begin to carry - Baltic LNG just build.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

There already Gazprom LNG will begin to carry - Baltic LNG just build.

At Marshal Vasilevsky, what's under the Panama rag?

[Vadim237]

Why - 15 new gas carriers have already been delivered, if not the Star does not accelerate then another 10 will be purchased in Korea with an additional batch.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

Why - 15 new gas carriers have already been delivered,

Is there at least one under our flag? And then he looked: "Mergerie" - Cyprus, "Rusanov" - Hong Kong, Edik Toll - Bahamas ... And then we wonder why there is no money in the treasury? Here they are, offshore companies.

[Cook]

You do not confuse the issues of registering ships and making profits with their owners? These are, as it were, two big differences.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Cook

You do not confuse the issues of registering ships and making profits with their owners?

I don’t see much difference.
https://balt-lloyd.ru/sudohodstvo/sudohodnaja-kompanija-sovkomflot.htmal

[bk316]

I don’t see much difference.

It’s sad. Very sad.

[onix757]

This is called a fiasco of a raw power.

[Fat]

Quote: onix757

This is called a fiasco of a raw power.

Natural gas is not raw materials brought to the consumer - goods, fuel. Maybe you think that the Germans will let all the produced gas into synthetic synthetic oils, well then, yes, the raw materials))))

[Alross]

The US MINISTRY of FINANCE (not the AP, nor the State Department) requires ... And in it there are only MOR-JI, only American. It's time to remove the skin from them along with the dollar.

[Gennady Fomkin]

“A state with a public debt of $ 22 trillion prohibits creditworthy countries from developing the real sector of their economy,” Zakharova wrote on her Facebook.

[Kronos]

Maybe it forbids, but Russia cannot and the presence of debts does not play a role

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

posted by Zakharova on her Facebook.

Is it weak to write a terminal?

[Gennady Fomkin]

https://youtu.be/XYdWnGMO2Sc?t=4

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Kronos

Maybe it forbids, but Russia cannot and the presence of debts does not play a role

Not ssy - "this is for your funeral"

[axiles100682]

These Americans got completely ashore. With what fright, on what basis do they dictate their conditions to the whole world?

[Kronos]

Who owns the world and dictates the rules

[axiles100682]

You correctly noticed that. Of all the laws, there was only one acting: -who is stronger is right. Only in history there are not a few cases when the weaker defeated the strong.
I still think it's not evening yet. All of this will come out sideways. USA

[Ross xnumx]

US Treasury demanded to immediately stop work on Russian pipelines

Why, then, is the Russian Ministry of Finance silent?
Fortress of American insanity seventy-five years ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Ours agreed with Ukraine just before this news. It can be seen that we expected that the continuation of transit through Ukraine would be an excuse and the United States would not touch Nord Stream -2. But it turned out to be much simpler. Europe once again got a boot in the face. But Merkel muttered something unintelligible and sadly went to the cottage. Of course, they will finish the gas pipeline. Europe will be erased. Americans will impose sanctions against the principle of launching a gas pipeline. Whoever launches will receive between the eyes. The next facility could be a Turkish destination. But Erdogan, unlike Merkel, showed his teeth. It can’t be taken on the chaff.

[Alexander X]

And how to understand: the pipe-laying company has suspended work, but we have accelerated ...? Or is it like "we are retreating, advancing ...?"

[CT-55_11-9009]

"Retreating through enemy lines has always been called a retreat"

[DPN]

And what to do if we live using THEM dollars, the RUBLE will not be quoted, it will be necessary to LISTEN and take it under the Visor.

[NF68]

Insolence without limits.

[polk26l]

But is it possible to send the state of three English letters - USA, to three Russian letters ?! But they have long deserved it !!!

[Serega82]

Your politicians do not know such words from such letters. I wonder what bonuses before the new year in the light of the disgrace that Miller and his friends from Gazprom will receive.

[NF68]

Quote: polk26l

But is it possible to send the state of three English letters - USA, to three Russian letters ?! But they have long deserved it !!!

It is incomparably easier to wish to send the USA on a foot erotic journey than to actually send them on this journey. Otherwise, the United States would send other countries.

[ltc22A]

And what relation The U.S. Treasury has to Russian pipelines? In my opinion, this is mutually beneficial business of Russian and European partners in the construction of pipelines. Some other staff will start to demand something.

[Serega82]

But in fact it happens. Senators of the US Congress come up with sanctions directives, and senators are representatives of their states. In addition, almost every state is more powerful economically than the whole of Russia.

[Lena Petrova]

Make a shell company, and after completion of construction - close. Let them impose sanctions.

[Air force]

Well, it’s about to begin, it’s all gone, the Americans beat them, they let them invest in and break off, etc. etc. Just don’t think that mugs are sitting in Gazprom and the Kremlin and they haven’t calculated this feint. All options have been calculated and there are solutions, there are more costly in time and money, there are less costly, but there are. Or does someone think that the two pipes will remain idle, like a monument to the strategic miscalculation of the Kremlin and Berlin? Whatever the case, with this decision, the United States spoils its relations with Berlin, France and Turkey even more. And even if everything is caved in, the Russian Federation will independently manage the decision schemes for completing enough money for this, too, there isn’t much work left, even a child’s option is suitable, for example, through third countries and offices to buy these vessels or lease, rent, to finish the rest of the way and that’s it, introduce sanctions against the left front office, this is just an example. In general, I don’t understand kipish after the first day of the announcement of the imposition of sanctions, there is no need for fuss, all the more so we have agreed on transit with Ukraine, the contract will be extended for five years. And the question will be resolved further, and who shouts about no money, Gazprom kirdyk, etc. that’s stupid, 3-5-10-20 billion for Gazprom and the Kremlin are not critical amounts of potential costs, do not forget about 120 billion welfare funds and other egg capsules. Do not underestimate Russia, for many for hundreds of years it would have been a fatal mistake this time. Streams will be completed, detractors are put to shame! No fuss.

[Kronos]

These lost billions will be laid on the shoulders of citizens

[Air force]

And if the flows are not completed, will it become easier for citizens? Actually, there is a war going on, though it is mainly economic, do you propose to surrender and fulfill the whims of the hegemon? Or do you think everything will fall into place and live? Do not hope if this time, they will beat Russia, they will not make the past mistake and destroy it, divide it into "principalities" and not billions will fall on the shoulders of citizens, but blood, devastation and slavish poverty. Look at the victorious democracies, Libya, Iraq, etc. remember the 90s. Moreover, here Russia did everything correctly and according to the law, especially in conjunction with Europe and Turkey, here Putin has nothing to show. So what? The lawlessness on the part of the United States is approaching its apophiosis, suggesting paws to the top? Dudki !!!

[Kronos]

Everything has been done in 90 so far, the heirs of Yeltsin rob everyone

[Cook]

And how do you like? Or are we with the state only when it is in pluses?

[senima56]

In general, it is surprising that the US Treasury (!!!!) forbids building a gas pipeline in Europe !!! Maybe the US Treasury has confused Europe with Florida ?!

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: lexus

In other words, SP-2 is almost everything.

What does it mean - almost? In this case, or not, or yes. There is no third. Or do you really think that now they will throw the end of the pipe into the water, and that’s it! Remember - the branch will be built, regardless of the desire of raving sanctioners.

[Ros 56]

It seems to me that Miller, with his menagers and lawyers, should be put on a bench and a horseman along the ridge of the mind, pour in until blue in the face, and then build a northern train in your hands and north.

[Naval]

And they have bonuses and coupons for enhanced nutrition ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

I read the comments of "friends" and spiteful critics and laughs ... if they think so as they write, then they should sympathize (children of kindergarten). Nord Stream 2 will inevitably be built quietly in the first half of 2020!

[Vadim237]

These guys have long surrendered, that's why all the failures of Russia, especially the bloated ones you know who, intolerably rejoice.

[Ros 56]

Just no one doubts that the SP-2 will be completed, but .... It should have been built and launched before 31.12.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX. This is the first and second, what are the conditions specified in the agreements, that we are something must. We got idiots-lawyers of acquaintances and by the announcement and here is the result.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Serega82

But in fact it happens. Senators of the US Congress come up with sanctions directives, and senators are representatives of their states. In addition, almost every state is more powerful economically than the whole of Russia.

Yah ,
And we eat cabbage soup

[awdrgy]

This means that gas will be saved a little. Maybe we will heat things better? Although it’s unlikely. It’s interesting that if the gas hadn’t been driven over the hill, would it have been heated better?

[Crazy]

Should we close all external gas pipelines?..? like we were offended
And to look !
The Arctic ice can be melted with gas and Europe can be flooded...hehe

[awdrgy]

This is absolutely necessary to do because they have already “pulled up” Imagine - the entire northern coast of Europe will go under water - Switzerland will become “crowded” What sanctions will come next? - They will buy as “cute” what and when we want to sell them

[Naval]

The Ministry of Finance entrusted Russia with the “honorable” responsibility of feeding and supporting non-brothers, but I sincerely did not believe when the Sumerians promised in the comments that Russia would pay and repent.... It’s a shame....

[Olegi1]

Quote: Observer2014

Quote: Spade

Quote: Rich

As a result, we have a very late response in a situation where the project is almost completed

But the Germans .... annoyed. To put it mildly.
Trying with the capitalist beast to pull out a piece of meat, which has already ended up in pasty, not a very smart tactic.
Especially if these are your allies.

Well, if we also remember about Turkey, which threaten to kick the "allies" out of the military bases on their territory ...

It's all blah blah blah. And nothing more.
I hope Putin will have no choice but to make the country proud of military victories. At the Olympics, spit under the white flag. What should we lose? Take Southeast bu Ukraine. Now nothing holds you. Well, apart from the relatives of the elites hanging out in the West. It's okay. Muscovites with their foreign housing are not Russia.

"Muscovites with their foreign housing are not Russia."

No - dear, are you (in principle - with a small letter), offended by Muscovites? That they all have housing over the hill? Why don't you? Are you performing poorly? Or do you steal a little?

I am a Moskvich, for understanding. There is no housing beyond the hill and is not planned. I consider this post a personal insult.

[Paul Siebert]

We will, of course, complete the construction of the streams.
Let's send the Americans to the buoy.
But making gas supplies to Europe and China a national idea...
If nothing changes in the Russian economy, the government will have to send to the buoy...

[Volga073]

Can you only spoil things in the comments?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, commenting today, December 20, on the American sanctions being prepared against his country, threatened retaliatory measures if the United States takes restrictive measures regarding the Turkish Stream gas pipeline. This is reported by CNN Turk.

“They say without shame that they will impose sanctions in connection with Turkish Stream. This is a complete violation of our rights,” the TV channel quotes the Turkish leader.
At the same time, Erdogan promised a “mirror” response to the United States.

[Volga073]

Come on Erdogan, bend the pendoras further until your balls are full)))

[Gennady Fomkin]

“In any case, Russia will minimize the use of the Ukrainian gas transportation system. Because with small loading volumes - and they are inevitable - we will not be able to give them a transit rate that would be competitive with Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. If we load them to 100% of the volume, there is not even a transit rate. There are depreciation charges. And they will a priori be lower than the transit rate through Ukraine, for example, 40 billion cubic meters per year. We have already lost that decision-making point that could have been effective for us,” Marunich explained. According to the expert, the maximum validity period of the new contract for the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine could be three years. During this time, Gazprom will receive enough alternative routes for gas supplies to Europe, which will be better and more reliable than the Ukrainian one. In addition to Nord Stream 2, which will begin operation in 2020, we are talking about the second branch of the Turkish Stream, which is intended exclusively for supplies to Europe, Marunich said on the NewsOne channel.

[eagle owl]

Buy back ships and send timber to the USA. In general, it’s time to move on to executions. There are options for a tough answer, especially since the WTO is no longer a decree for us - they cannot consider any disputes at all now. For example, to confiscate the property of any American company under a false pretext.

[Volga073]

+1000
We need to buy this Swiss pipelayer with a neutral party.
Moreover, they don’t really need him now.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Kronos

Maybe it forbids, but Russia cannot and the presence of debts does not play a role

Everything is so changeable in this world.
And Ukraine...I remembered the cartoon Golden Antelope. They also wanted gold, gold... but it all ended in clay shards.

[denk20]

Has a ship flying the flag of the Republic of the Unknown come under sanctions?

[Boris Chernikov]

at the very least they will buy the ship through third parties and that’s it

[123456789]

Quote: Crazy

What are we going to do?

When things in a brothel go from bad to worse, it’s not the beds that need to be changed, but the girls. Nothing personal just business.

[eagle owl]

by the way about the birds

[Mityay65]

An alternative to Allseas vessels could be the pipe-laying barge Fortuna. In the summer, the government added it to the list of ships allowed to build the underwater part of the gas pipeline. However, the remaining work in the Baltic must be carried out in Danish territorial waters, noted the business agency S&P Global Platts. According to Danish laws, Fortuna will not be able to operate there due to the lack of dynamic positioning systems (analog of autopilot in aviation).
The vessel Akademik Chersky, which is on the balance sheet of Gazprom, is equipped with this system. However, now it is located in the Far East, the port of Nakhodka. The pipelayer will be able to reach Denmark in about two months. If it takes so long to cross from the Far East, then why couldn’t they have secured it earlier? Or you need to accelerate through the NSR.

Location of the pipe layer "Akademik Chersky". Early name Jascon 18.

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[Chaldon48]

The United States, by right of force, has arrogated to itself the right to control everything on the planet and dictate to everyone and everything what can and cannot be done. This can end badly, as one American boxer said: “Nothing refreshes the brain like a good punch to the jaw!”

[tolmachiev51]

In the Russian language there is a capacious definition of sanctions - BLACKMAIL!!! An indispensable attribute of scammers and swindlers! Get geyrop from your “best” friends and remember, they only think about themselves.

[Flawless]

But we shouldn’t be forced, we are so proud of our victories and not only military ones, if only because we have them and will have them, but you have nothing but envy. And as for the gas pipeline, Putin said it will be, it will be, there has never been a case where he failed to keep his word, for which he is respected all over the world. So Bandera’s people need to be careful because they can choke on bile.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Mityai65

An alternative to Allseas vessels could be the pipe-laying barge Fortuna. In the summer, the government added it to the list of ships allowed to build the underwater part of the gas pipeline. However, the remaining work in the Baltic must be carried out in Danish territorial waters, noted the business agency S&P Global Platts. According to Danish laws, Fortuna will not be able to operate there due to the lack of dynamic positioning systems (analog of autopilot in aviation).
The vessel Akademik Chersky, which is on the balance sheet of Gazprom, is equipped with this system. However, now it is located in the Far East, the port of Nakhodka. The pipelayer will be able to reach Denmark in about two months. If it takes so long to cross from the Far East, then why couldn’t they have secured it earlier? Or you need to accelerate through the NSR.

Location of the pipe layer "Akademik Chersky". Early name Jascon 18.

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Gazprom's management has long stockpiled pipes and spare parts in Germany in case of "sanctions"

[Dynamic systems]

“The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation demanded to immediately stop the supply of rocket engines to the United States and the admission of American astronauts to work on the ISS due to sabotage at the station.”
Newspaper headlines from a parallel reality....

[NordUral]

And I think that this is a clever move by Trump, who threw the gnawed bone of sanctions, which will not stop anything, to the crazy Democrats, as well as the equally crazy Republicans on the eve of the impeachment vote. Although this may not be the case.
But in any case, this step of his will quarrel between the USA and Germany, which will only benefit us, and Europe too, by the way.

[PValery53]

"The US Treasury Department demanded an immediate stop to work on Russian pipelines"
- Russia to the US Treasury: “Be silent and don’t drink! The dollar is allowed ONLY in the USA!”

[karabass]

Analyzing this multitude of comments, I was puzzled - despite the fierce debates and irreconcilable positions, the most diverse opinions, I did not read any impartial ones! Why doesn’t anyone write that a bad peace is better than a good quarrel? Is it better to give some away than to lose everything? That giving it yourself is not at all the same as having it taken away from you? What if the enemy is stronger and needs to look for escape routes? Why does NO ONE want to be healthy? Because you are on the Internet? Incognita? Or do you think and say the same under your real names? Then our future is vague unfortunately

[dima314]

Most likely, the Americans, using the right of force, will demand that part, or rather the main part, of the shares of SP-2 be given to them and they will decide for themselves at what price and how much gas and through which pipe to supply it to Europe. I think it won’t be difficult for them to take over the pipe in Ukraine.

[Gennady Fomkin]

While full-time security guards receive and read new manuals, simpler people do not know what to do with themselves. But don't worry. Literally tomorrow, they will come out with fresh analytical articles convincingly proving that it was necessary to negotiate with hostile Ukraine as quickly as possible on any, even extremely humiliating and unfavorable terms.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Our most popular commodity is oil and gas and will continue to be so and you have to be a complete idiot having huge reserves of these resources (Russia ranks 1st in terms of gas reserves, if anyone doesn’t know, reserves ready for development are estimated at 73,2 trillion cubic meters, Production natural gas in Russia by 2020 is about 650-670 billion cubic meters per year, for oil Russia ranks 6th or more than 6% of global reserves) refuse to use them. Or, do you think, in the USA, because they want to supply shale gas for export to Europe, which is much more expensive in cost than natural gas produced in Russia. Gas production and transit allows us not only to earn money from exports, but also to develop our own gas transportation system in the country, which is cheaper. Orders for gas pipeline pipes allow us to use our own metallurgical and metal rolling plants, which means new jobs. About gas processing plants and petrochemical plants that are being built. Is this your feigned naivety or your holy faith in all of Europe? We have already discussed development trends in Russia more than once, but in Europe it seems that there is stagnation. Follow the events. Pharmaceuticals, by the way, are developing in Russia, and medical tourism is also successfully developing here. Is there a German plane? And the helicopter? What about nuclear power plants? Now guess the number of Germany's own missile launches.

[alavrin]

For such outright impudence, all American eateries in Russia, such as McDonald's, would be closed as a response. And they will free up a niche, and it is good for health, but they will wipe it out and not close it...

[Volga073]

This is not enough.
It is necessary to cancel all licenses for American software, films, etc.

[Gennady Fomkin]

General Director of the French Total Patrick Pouyanne believes that low gas prices are good for European consumers and the decrease was due to the confrontation between the United States and Russia. Still, he says, Europe is the “resort of last resort” for U.S. LNG. “This is not a natural market for American LNG. It is in China. And we, as the largest investor in liquefied gas from the United States, did not invest so that LNG would go to Europe,” the head of the global oil giant said at a forum in Qatar. He was supported by the head of the Italian Eni, Claudio Descalzi: “It is better when LNG from the USA goes to the east, because delivery to Europe is at a loss.”

As EADaily has already written, losses on American LNG are borne by suppliers, mainly European traders. Under a long-term contract, for example, with the American Cheniere, which owns Sabine Pass, clients can refuse the contracted volume, but are required to pay a tariff for its liquefaction, which is at least a third of the cost of LNG. Such conditions force clients of American LNG terminals to buy back unprofitable gas in advance, counting on further price increases and covering losses. The specialized publication Seeking Alpha ironically noted that the main risk of American LNG terminals is that clients with long-term contracts do not go bankrupt. For Sabine Pass today it is the Spanish Naturgy, the Dutch-British Shell, the French Total, the Indian Gail, the Swiss trader Vitol, the Malaysian Petronas and 8 other companies. Almost all of them are firmly on their feet and own diversified businesses. Therefore, they can afford to work with American LNG, which is now unprofitable.

As for Gazprom, the situation with an oversupply of gas on the European market has led to the fact that it has even become profitable for the Russian holding to stop Ukrainian transit for the winter. “Large gas reserves in European storage facilities present Gazprom with a choice: either low prices while maintaining gas supply volumes, or a reduction in supplies to maintain prices,” Alexey Kalachev, an expert analyst at FINAM JSC, told EADaily.

[xomaNN]

It’s not in vain that the “Danish little ones” have been blabbering for a year - the cunning multi-move hit the SP-2 “in the gut.” And again, the lesson is “the West will help us” - order work overseas, and not have your own technological pipe-laying vessels. Can you imagine if “chief military furniture maker Serdyukov,” as promised, ordered tanks from Germany, and sent our tank factories to scrap metal as unnecessary?

[Alexey Tyushin]

It’s interesting - there is complete silence about the penalty for breach of contract.... is there no such thing?!

[Volga073]

America is hysterical!
Putin shit himself))

[Pavel57]

Another battle in the global battle for energy resources and their markets.

[pafegosoff]

Well, a dozen European countries that the United States abandoned, will remain silent, will they chew on it?

[starshina78]

This whole story with pipelines and the capitulation with Ukraine speaks of the weakness and helplessness of Russia, or rather the leadership of the country. Here we received a slap from the Swiss. who announced the disbandment of the ship group that built "SP-2" (their ship, which can build similar pipelines, is located in Nakhodka), received a general kick in the ass during negotiations with Ukraine. And money in the amount of 2,9 billion. We will pay the dollars that the Stockholm Arbitration awarded us, and we will ensure the pumping of 65 billion. cube meters of gas in 2020 and with subsequent pumping of another 45 billion over four years. cubes Where are the menacing words, the stern look? It turned out that this was a bluff, but in reality there were shaking hands and a frightened look.

[Alexander X]

I read about Fortuna: for operating pipelayers in Danish waters, at the request of Copenhagen, such vessels must have a dynamic positioning system that allows them to automatically hold in a given position using engines and thrusters. Fortuna does not meet these requirements, being an anchor barge with a 12-point positioning system.
http://agitpro.su/u-rossii-est-neskolko-sposobov-resheniya-problemy-severnogo-potoka-2/
Those. Until Fortuna is modernized, she cannot operate in Danish waters...Very bad...I will repeat again about the qualifications of GAZPROM managers who did not study the relevant Danish legislation and did not prepare as they should...They bought what was cheaper or, most likely, they just went bust...By the way, GAZPROM itself will also fall under US sanctions if it builds SP-2 on its own...This is how bandits from the US follow the principles of free trade. But what should the Russian Federation do in this case? Against the background of this information, signing a contract for pumping gas through Ukraine is not the worst option. But I believe that the unskilled work of GAZPROM management led to this...

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

What's his business anyway! Everyone should file a lawsuit against the United States at the Hague Tribunal for starting wars, sponsoring terrorism, interfering in the affairs of other states. But the whole world is afraid of the Anglo-Saxons and dances to their tune.