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Stalin and the wind of history

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Stalin and the wind of history

JV Stalin at the Potsdam Conference


140 years ago, on December 21, 1879, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was born. The people's leader, the man who built the Soviet superpower, the supreme commander and generalissimo, who won the Second World War and created the nuclear shield and sword of our country. He created a civilization and a society of the future, which step by step embodied the brightest ideals of mankind.

Matter of his life


Stalin built such armed forces that, despite the military disasters of 1941-1942, caused by the actions of the “fifth column” (including part of the generals) and the unsuccessful moment of the outbreak of war, when the process of restructuring, rearmament of the army and fleet, managed to defeat the Nazi "European Union" (almost all of Europe) and the Japanese Empire. He created the world's best Soviet army, which did not allow England and the United States to unleash a "hot" third world war in the summer of 1945 or in 1946. He created the USSR’s nuclear shield and sword, missile forces, air defense and missile defense systems, and powerful air forces, which did not allow the West, led by the United States, to destroy Russia-USSR in subsequent years.

Under Stalin, Russia for the first time in its history was protected from external invasion from the West and East. Yalta and Berlin created a new political system, a balance of forces, which protected the planet from a new big war (until the collapse of the USSR and the Yalta-Potsdam system).

Stalin restored the borders of the Russian state, destroyed in 1917. He returned to Russia-USSR Vyborg, the Baltic states, Western Russian lands (in White and Little Russia), Bessarabia, the lands of the ancient Russian land of Porussia-Prussia (Kaliningrad), South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. Twice “flogging” Finland became our friend. He restored the political, military and strategic positions of Russia in the Far East, in China and on the Korean Peninsula. “Second Humanity”, China, thanks to Stalin’s wise policy, has chosen the socialist path of development. We got a powerful ally respecting the "big brother." We have created our own sphere of security and economic co-prosperity in Eastern Europe - Poland, East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania. That is, they solved several centuries-old strategic tasks at once. In particular, entrenched in the Balkans. They pulled out two "poisonous teeth" from the West at once - Poland and Germany (partially). They took Poland, which for centuries was the Russophobic bridgehead of the West in Eastern Europe. And East Germany (GDR), which has become our faithful ally and stronghold in Central Europe.

After the end of World War II, the collective West, led by the United States, began against Russia, the so-called. "Cold war" (in fact, it was the Third World War, which lasted until 1991). However, Stalin did not flinch before the nuclear blackmail of the United States, repelled all diplomatic, economic and information attacks on our homeland. Russia has become a real superpower, without the opinion and consent of which not a single serious problem of the world has been resolved.

Stalin did his utmost to promote the development of science, education, culture and the health of the nation. The Soviet school became the best in the world. The scientific and technological revolution freed Russia from technological dependence on the West. The country received its own advanced scientific school. Culture and art formed a new society of the future, the "golden age" of mankind, a society of knowledge, creation and service, where a person was a creator, creator, fully revealed his creative, intellectual and physical potential. The introduction of mass physical culture, hygiene, the growth of health care led to the creation of a healthy nation, with a real cult of a physically developed person. The society under Stalin was healthy, without social illnesses such as mass drunkenness, anesthesia or debauchery-fornication, as it is now.

Stalin provided all people, regardless of national or social origin, access to receive an arbitrarily high education. Thus, the Soviet leader opened social elevators to all people, destroyed the crowd-"elite" model of society. There was also a formation of a national elite from the really best representatives of society - military commanders, heroes of the USSR, heroes of socialist labor, aces pilots, testers, scientists, inventors, professors, teachers, doctors, labor aristocracy, etc.

In his political testament, “The economic problems of socialism in the USSR,” JV Stalin wrote:

“It is necessary ... to achieve such a cultural growth of the society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they can freely choose their profession, and not be chained for life, due to the existing division of labor, to any profession. "


Free access to knowledge led to the creation of a society of the future, free from division into “chosen” lords and consumer slaves. New generations of people who were unprecedentedly devoted to their homeland and socialism were brought up.

Stalin accepted an agrarian, hopeless country, sentenced by the "world community" to destruction and dismemberment, with a sick, broken society, in which sparks of new unrest, the great war of the village and the city ripened. And in ten years, Russia has gone the way the West has done in a hundred. Even before the war, we became an industrial and technologically independent power. New industrial bases were created in the center of the country, in the Urals and in Siberia. As a result, we ceased to be a raw materials appendage of the West, became the second industrial power on the planet. The USSR has become a powerful industrial system that can break the most developed European power - Germany.

Stalin organized the crisis-free development of the national economy on the basis of the rejection of the parasitic lending rate, which allows a bunch of social parasites to exploit the people. This made it possible to carry out industrialization and collectivization, create the world's second industry and agriculture, ensuring the country's food security, and create a powerful military-industrial complex. The leading industries that placed the USSR in the rank of a world power: aircraft construction, engine building, shipbuilding, nuclear industry, rocket building, electronic industry, etc. Under Stalin, the country was able to rise from ruins twice - after the troubles and timelessness of the 20s and the Great War. The Union quickly recovered after the war, which caused a shock in the West, where they thought that Russia would heal severe wounds for decades and would fall into a new dependence. The Soviet government was able to start a policy of regular price reductions for the people. A stable monetary and financial system, a huge gold reserve (2500 tons) have been created.

Why Westerners, Cosmopolitans, Liberals, and Russophobes Hate Stalin


One of Stalin’s main accusations is mass repression. Anti-Stalinists, biased historians and political scientists launched the myth that Stalin killed 40 to 60 million people during his reign. And professional liar Solzhenitsyn generally agreed on 66 million annihilated Soviet citizens.

In fact, Stalin was able to destroy the heterogeneous "fifth column" in the USSR, and without this business we would have lost the Great War, disappeared from history as civilization, state and people. It is enough to recall that when Stalin broke through to power, the peak of the Soviet Olympus was occupied by the Trotskyists, internationalist revolutionaries who hated Russians, the Russian state and history. Russia for these professional revolutionaries, militants who came in 1917 to seize power, was a stranger, like our faith, culture, language and history. Trotsky cynically said: "Russia is a brushwood that we will throw into the bonfire of the world revolution." Stalin, on the other hand, was a representative of the Bolsheviks who came out of the common people, with their aspirations and aspirations. He did not intend to destroy Russia in favor of Western centers of influence, did not have funding from the West. On the contrary, he did his best to restore a great power, but on the basis of social justice. Therefore, he was opposed to the division of Russia into practically independent republics, the creation of the Soviet confederation.

In addition, he was a man of business, and not a professional talker, like many revolutionaries. As a result, Stalin outplayed opponents (Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, Rykov, etc.). Before the war, the USSR was able to suppress most of the “fifth column”: the Trotskyists, internationalists, the part of the party and the Soviet bureaucracy that had degenerated in the 20s, military conspirators (like Tukhachevsky), cleaned up the state security organs, crushed the Basmachis, nationalists in Ukraine, and the Baltic states. When the Great Patriotic War began, the Nazis were very surprised. They expected that the Soviet “colossus with feet of clay” would collapse at the first blows of the Wehrmacht, mass uprisings of the population (citizens, peasants, Cossacks), national and religious minorities, and military rebellions would begin. But they met a steel monolith. The nation was one. The "fifth column" is suppressed, went into a deep underground (like the Khrushchev degenerate).

This was noted by the old enemy of Russia and Russians - Churchill. He said that the “fifth column” was destroyed in the Soviet Union, which is why they won the war. Therefore, all kinds of enemies of Russia, internal and external, so hate Stalin (as Ivan the Terrible). He showed an effective example of the struggle against the anti-Russian parasitic minority oriented toward the West. This is the “oprichnina” method.

It is also worth remembering that the myth of millions of victims was invented by the enemies of Stalin and Russia. So, from 1921 to 1954, about 4 million people visited the camps, about 650 thousand people were sentenced to death. But part of the amnesty was canceled. However, in 1921-1929. Stalin was not the master of Soviet Russia. That is, a significant part of these 650 thousand can be deleted. As a result, the figure is large, but without many millions and tens of millions. At the same time, it is worth taking into account the historical moment - only the time of troubles ended, the country fought with its consequences, fought with bandits, Basmachi, "forest brothers" in the Baltic States and Ukraine, with wild mountaineers in the Caucasus. They fought with the "fifth column", prepared for a big war, "cleaned" the country to withstand a terrible test.

And if you compare with the situation in other countries, the Stalin regime looks much less "bloodthirsty" than, for example, the British, French or American. Western democracies staged real genocide in their colonies. The American elite organized a "famine" of their own people. In prisons and hard labor in the West, people also sat and died, as now. Repression (punishment) is the standard method of any state.

"Name of Russia"


The de-Stalinists, beginning with Khrushchev and continuing with the “perestroika” and “democratizers,” tried to denigrate Stalin's memory. The Red Emperor was accused of sadism, tyranny, immorality, massacres and even the murder of his own wife.

Joseph Stalin during his life the people idolized. They sang songs about him, erected monuments to him, assigned his name to cities, enterprises and natural sites. The people met the news of his death as a huge tragedy not only for the whole country, but also for each individual person. There was no joy and sensation of a holiday that would have arisen if the “bloody tyrant” died in the country, who were supposedly feared and hated. The de-Stalinization policy begun by Khrushchev, continued by Gorbachev, Yeltsin, other pygmy leaders who seized power on the wreckage of the USSR, temporarily led Stalin to go into the shadow of our history.

People were thrown into oligarchic capitalism and in places already neo-feudalism, industry fell apart and plundered, only “pipe-flows” were built to export the people's wealth, agriculture and the village were ditched, along with food security, high-quality and healthy food, prices, taxes and taxes were rising , the standard of living of most of the people fell with the emergence of new "masters of life", "new nobles", bourgeois capitalists, wealthy on the sale of the motherland, ethnic conflicts arose and escalated you, science, education and health care were practically killed, the extinction of the people began, against the background of the spread of mass social diseases: alcoholism, drug addiction, perversions, debauchery, etc. Enlightenment began among the people. The anti-Stalin and anti-Soviet myths and deception imposed on the people have lost their former strength and popularity.

In 1943, ten years before his death, Stalin said:

“I know that after my death a lot of garbage will be put on my grave, but the wind of history will mercilessly scatter it!”


In recent years, we can say that these prophetic words have come true. Stalin is the most popular person in Russian history, a symbol of social justice and the time when we went from one victory to another, when friends loved us, believed in the Russian way, and the enemies, although they hated us, respected us.

Against the backdrop of terrible social injustice, the isolation of the political "elite" from the interests of Russian civilization, the power and the people, the deepening global crisis on the planet, which has already caused a chain of revolutions, uprisings and wars, the approach of a new unrest in Russia itself, Stalin returned. But not as a person, but as a "collective Stalin", a society, a people in which the need for justice and the rejection of the victory of the "golden calf" society (consumer and self-destruction society) in the world and in Russia have matured.
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  1. anjey
    anjey 20 December 2019 04: 43
    -4
    Of course, it is not necessary to praise Stalin through chur, there were enough shortcomings both in the system and in his personality, but it is also not worth it to defame and interfere with our liberties, as true, as always, in the middle ..
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 December 2019 05: 15
      +89
      What JV Stalin did for the country and people, not a single leader could do.
      1. Comrade
        Comrade 20 December 2019 05: 45
        +79
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        What JV Stalin did for the country and people, not a single leader could do.

        Exactly. Many tried, only he succeeded. Never in history has Russia been as strong and influential as under Comrade Stalin.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 06: 52
          +47
          Comrade
          Exactly. Many tried, only he succeeded. Never in history has Russia been as strong and influential as under Comrade Stalin.
          Definitely the greatest personality in our history. According to Churchill, when Joseph Vissarionovich entered the room, he was drawn to stand on a hood in front of him.
          What he did for the country defies any calculations, so much has been done. And let Putin not lie, we still live the Soviet legacy, laid down under Stalin!
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 20 December 2019 08: 14
            -59
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            According to Churchill, when Joseph Vissarionovich entered the room, he was drawn to stand on a hood in front of him.

            What can’t you hear from a strong drinker.
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 08: 59
              +37
              Octopus
              What can’t you hear from a strong drinker.
              Are you talking to yourself? Tie a drink, it will not lead to anything good!
              And if you had in mind Churchill, then for all my dislike of the arrogant Saxons and Churchill personally, I must nevertheless note that Churchill was a figure and far from a pawn on the political chessboard of that time. It was a heavyweight, how not to treat him and only not very distant can call him a drunk fool human.
              1. Werterex
                Werterex 23 December 2019 09: 43
                0
                Neither Churchill nor Stalin were ever FIGURES! They were players. And there are simply no players of this level in current world politics.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 23 December 2019 11: 40
                  +3
                  Quote: Werterex
                  Neither Churchill nor Stalin were ever FIGURES!

                  On the contrary, if you do not equate the world only on the chessboard, they were figures in world history. Players play something, and they created the world on their own, and these are creators, not players.
                  Of course this is all a pun, but the essence is the same - they will go down in the history of the twentieth century.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 27
              -19
              Quote: Octopus
              What can’t you hear from a strong drinker.

              good
            3. borisww
              borisww 20 December 2019 14: 35
              0
              Hello . Do not quote any dirt. I didn’t mean to offend you personally.
            4. ccsr
              ccsr 20 December 2019 16: 43
              +19
              Quote: Octopus
              What can’t you hear from a strong drinker.

              He and the drinker understood more in world politics than you are non-drinker and sober - just put up with it, and do not try to equal it, this is ridiculous.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 20 December 2019 21: 36
                -7
                Quote: ccsr
                He and the drinker understood more in world politics

                Is this the same Churchill who "we killed the wrong pig", or some other?
              2. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 23 December 2019 22: 00
                0
                Stalin drank the light Georgian wine of Khvanchkar, and in small quantities. So, presumably, he hadn’t been especially drunk.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 24 December 2019 17: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                  Stalin drank the light Georgian wine of Khvanchkar, and in small quantities.

                  You read inattentively - it was about Churchill, who took more than Stalin, which is why the author used the word "heavy drinker".
            5. Ros 56
              Ros 56 21 December 2019 13: 41
              +4
              Seriously, and which of the following prime ministers can be put on a par with him? I don’t observe something like that, unless Thatcher, and that miserable likeness.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 21 December 2019 14: 27
                +2
                Quote: Ros 56
                Seriously, and which of the following prime ministers can be put on a par with him?

                My post, apparently, was misunderstood.

                The first one. When a person of 50 years pushes speech, you can find a quote for any occasion.

                The second and most important thing. Here is this quote.
                He was an outstanding personality who impressed our cruel time of the period in which his life proceeded. Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy, erudition and unbending willpower, sharp, tough, merciless both in business and in conversation, which even I, raised in the English parliament, could not oppose anything ... Gigantic power sounded in his works. This power is so great in Stalin that it seemed to be unique among the leaders of all times and peoples ... Its influence on people is irresistible. When he entered the hall of the Yalta Conference, we all, as if on command, got up. And a strange thing - they held their hands at the seams. Stalin possessed a deep, devoid of any panic, logical and meaningful wisdom. He was an unsurpassed master in finding a way out of the most hopeless situation in difficult times ... He was a man who destroyed his enemy with the hands of his enemies, forced us, who openly called imperialists, to fight against imperialists ... He accepted Russia with a plow, and left equipped with atomic weapons


                Everything is correct, of course, written. Only one nuance. This is not Churchill. This is Nina Aleksandrovna Andreeva, the famous article of 1988 "I cannot compromise my principles." Nina Alexandrovna lied a little with this quote from Churchill from the first to the last word.
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 21 December 2019 16: 32
                  +3
                  Yes, I actually do not care who there is about whom and what he said. I mean that despite the extreme contradictions, the Great Trinity
                  I could agree. I apologize for the park of American presidents confused, but this does not change the essence of the matter.
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                    1. Ros 56
                      Ros 56 21 December 2019 16: 38
                      +2
                      Learn to read to start.
              2. mmaxx
                mmaxx 26 December 2019 16: 13
                0
                According to Thatcher. In England, they spoke with people. I was told so. Thatcher middle English hate fierce hatred. She arranged in the UK to sell everything to the right people. And sold out. Now no one knows what in the country to whom belongs. The spiritual mother of our Chubais. Because Thatcher is so loved by our liberals.
            6. bondrostov
              bondrostov 23 December 2019 18: 33
              0
              And you do not drink the protein comes wassat wassat wassat wassat
            7. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 23 December 2019 19: 20
              0
              Quote: Octopus
              What can’t you hear from a strong drinker.

              So Stalin drank it.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 December 2019 09: 22
            0
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Definitely the greatest personality in our history. According to Churchill, when Joseph Vissarionovich entered the room, he was drawn to stand on a hood in front of him.

            ALKALINE !!!
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 09: 29
              +33
              You probably wanted to write ЧBIRD !!!

              PS, Suffice it to mention that Stalin is the only leader under whom prices were regularly reduced and the real well-being of the people increased! That under him the USSR was the first of the countries that fought in WWII to abolish the rationing system. Only such an extraordinary leader as Stalin could restore the country from the devastation left by the Nazis in two five-year plans. The current "galley slaves" have been in power for almost 20 years, and they cannot do anything like that.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 20 December 2019 12: 00
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                You probably wanted to write a HUMAN !!!

                Thanks, yes !
                1. Fraracol_2
                  Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 17: 53
                  -7
                  Freudian slip.
              2. Ryaruav
                Ryaruav 20 December 2019 19: 38
                +7
                I want to add for 8 years after the hardest war to go to nuclear missile positions
              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 22 December 2019 18: 28
                -11
                Only the price of the USSR during its administration paid the maximum, from 1928 to 1953 40 million people died, went missing, crippled - from dispossession, hunger, wars and repression, this is, by the way, about improving the well-being of the people, the barracks of 1929 are still built in people live there. Thanks to his belief in a non-attack pact with Nazi Germany, summer and autumn 41 turned out to be a disaster for our country and we lost 34% of what we created in 13 years of industrialization, we were also lucky that at the beginning of the war Hitler was a strategist from a madhouse and sprayed his forces on into three directions, and if he united his troops in the direction of Moscow, the Germans would have occupied our capital already at the end of August, and no rain or frost would have rectified the situation and the losses of our army would have increased significantly. The USSR created an atomic bomb on the verge of its capabilities, including materials, part of the economy was built at the expense of prisoners, it would be fine if they were thieves, swindlers, embezzlers and traitors - so there were simply not sharing views of the authorities, former prisoners of war and those on whom the left wrote denunciations and before that were dealt with by dispossessed and exiled to the north. The current "slaves in galleys" do not do anything like that, and they don’t fucking do it, and they do it right, for Russia now is the quietest time, neither wars nor repressions, the economy is developing as the market dictates, as far as the means. And 40000 factories of factories of production in all areas opened from 2000 to 2019 show that the work is going on in spite of all these shouts and cries about corruption, inaction of officials and all imbecile "proofs" with all the yellowness that everything in Russia is bad and it cannot be otherwise.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 22 December 2019 18: 41
                  +7
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Only the price of the USSR under its control paid the maximum, from 1928 to 1953 40 million people died,

                  Lies. A typical propaganda lie, which is pushed by piglets, and which is not supported by any documents.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 22 December 2019 23: 22
                    -12
                    Let's go: WWII 28000000 people killed by wounded, missing, dispossession of up to 10 million peasants, kulaks, middle peasants, got rid of the counter-revolutionary kulak asset, shot the rest, whether they exiled, mass displacement of peoples, hunger 32-33 from 4 to 7 million people , The Finnish war 124000 people, the war with forest brothers in the Baltic States from 41 to 53 - 500000 killed by the wounded, the repression of the 37th more than a million, former prisoners of war - automatic traitors to the state and sending to the Gulag, how many civilians and It’s not known, but certainly not enough, from the territories of Ukraine and Belarus that were previously captured by the Germans and later released into the Gulag, I still don’t take how many people suffered from gang violence after 44 years in the territories of Belarus and Ukraine. All this was and all these people existed - all this has long been publicly available information backed by documents, Truth always hurts eyes and will cut further. And unlike your UAV, UAV UAV, in my family there are three living eyewitnesses of all these events.
                    1. EvilLion
                      EvilLion 23 December 2019 09: 45
                      +3
                      You have health problems. I recommend regular use of haloperidol.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 23 December 2019 19: 56
                        -5
                        This is your health problem - judging by the fact that you wrote me some garbage.
                    2. ccsr
                      ccsr 23 December 2019 11: 51
                      +5
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      WWII 28000000 people killed by wounded missing persons,

                      We had losses in the Patriotic War of 1812, and in the Crimean, and in Japan, and in the First World War, so these losses can not be tied to the personal rule of Stalin - so our fate is to bear losses in the wars that impose on us.
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      dispossession of up to 10 million peasants kulaks, middle peasants,

                      Are they all dead? It's a lie.
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      famine 32 -33 years from 4 to 7 million people

                      And what in the tsarist period did not die of hunger?
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      repression of the 37th is more than a million,

                      This is the only thing you can attribute to Stalin, because it was in his power to stop these repressions, which incidentally was not the only one responsible for Stalin.

                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Truth always cuts eyes and will cut further. And unlike your UAV, UAV UAV, in my family there are three living eyewitnesses of all these events.

                      It’s easy to refute your lies by the fact that under Stalin’s fault you can bring only one million people who were repressed in 1937-1938, and even then they were not all shot.
                      So you don’t need blah blah blah yourself - in my family there are also those who died at that time - both in prison and at the front, and so die revealing ardor, not only your relatives suffered at that time, mine also defended their homeland .
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 23 December 2019 20: 02
                        -5
                        Since he was the head of the USSR, he was the first to be responsible for what happened during his reign — almost all of the above described happened upon his submission: orders, orders, treaties, etc.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 23 December 2019 20: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        almost all of the above described happened with his filing: orders, instructions, contracts, etc.

                        He was personally responsible for the birth rate in the country - do not waste your time on him, you can hang unsuccessful births on him ....
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 24 December 2019 15: 18
                        -4
                        I’m talking about negative events, and not about the birth rate in his rule. But now in Russia fertility problems are attributed mainly to the poor work of the authorities.
                2. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 23 December 2019 09: 44
                  +2
                  Why don’t you make a complaint to Adolfich? Maybe you are for him?
                3. bondrostov
                  bondrostov 23 December 2019 18: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Only the price of the USSR under its management paid the maximum

                  Otherwise, we would not be at all! we would be taken into account by the North American Indians.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Thanks to his faith in the non-attack pact with fascist Germany, summer and autumn 41 turned into a disaster for our country

                  No, Stalin thought quite rightly and pragmatically; he knew that economically Germany was not able to win the war on two fronts, that the USSR’s resources, both human and resource, were not comparable with Germany’s resources. So he considered the attack on us an absolute madness because it meant losing Germany. BUT he reasoned as a normal smart person, and Hitler understood it was impossible because he was apparently really schizophrenic and his actions were not amenable to logic.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Hitler was a strategist from a madhouse and sprayed his forces into three directions, and if he combined his forces towards Moscow, the Germans would occupy our capital

                  I think that he wanted it because, as you correctly said, he was a strategist from a madhouse, I think that the generals dissuaded because then we would have taken Berlin to 43. because in this case, the stretch of communications on a few roads would create madness in logistics. and with powerful flanking blows, we would take their army into such a cauldron that Stalingrad would seem like flowers to them.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 23 December 2019 20: 26
                    -3
                    What would our in this case, their three tank corps in the boiler took ammunition. there was no connection, even the maps weren’t all the mechanized corps were broken, there wasn’t enough fuel, almost all the aircraft in Belarus and Ukraine were destroyed and that’s all in a month and a half of the war under such conditions, not even any small boilers of our remaining troops located near Kiev and the Baltic states would not work. Guderian persuaded him to attack Moscow and not to hesitate. Hitler had a real opportunity not to advance to Leningrad and embrace our group near Kiev, but to join all forces into the army center and really break through the Smolensk defense line and reach Moscow already in August.
              4. Mikheich
                Mikheich 29 December 2019 19: 09
                0
                Iosif Vissarionich created his environment "for himself" and worked fruitfully on the state. And where does the current environment come from?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 30 December 2019 15: 33
                  -1
                  And this manual went for itself, after the repressions - it turned out to be a bunch of toadies and cowards who could not tell Stalin that he was wrong - especially before the war and at the beginning of the war all this led to disastrous consequences.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 29
              -48
              Quote: tihonmarine
              ALKALINE !!!

              tyrant, despot, for him a separate place in hell was prepared in advance!
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 20 December 2019 12: 02
                +5
                Quote: RUSS
                tyrant, despot, for him a separate place in hell was prepared in advance!

                Well, what ruler do you think is appropriate?
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 20 December 2019 12: 46
                  -18
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Well, what ruler do you think is appropriate?

                  I do not make idols from rulers, but all the more so there were rulers in Russia who were worthy of respect from Ivan III to Andropov.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 20 December 2019 12: 59
                    +6
                    Quote: RUSS
                    but the more dumb were the rulers in Russia who were worthy of respect from Ivan III

                    Well, no doubt, Ivan the Third was one of the strongest rulers of his era.
                  2. Octopus
                    Octopus 20 December 2019 13: 54
                    -22
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Ivan III

                    Ivan III destroyed the penultimate Russian state, the Novgorod Republic. The last state of the Russians, the Pskov Republic, was destroyed by his son, Vasily III. After the death of the Russian republics, to some extent, the Russians remained ON, but also not for long.

                    Quote: RUSS
                    Andropova

                    Gebist.

                    Great choice.
                    1. Nick
                      Nick 22 December 2019 01: 44
                      +3
                      Quote: Octopus

                      Ivan III destroyed the penultimate Russian state, the Novgorod Republic. The last state of the Russians, the Pskov Republic, was destroyed by his son, Vasily III.

                      Perhaps, but only a state on a city scale with suburbs is somehow not impressive. But Ivan III, his son's grandson, created the state of Great Russians, on a continental scale. From the shores of the Baltic to Siberia and, already under the Romanov dynasty, the Far East.
                      1. Octopus
                        Octopus 22 December 2019 02: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: Nick
                        Perhaps, but only a state on a city scale with suburbs is somehow not impressive.

                        Firstly, the Russian republics were somewhat larger than the city with the suburbs.
                        Secondly, what they were.

                        Quote: Nick
                        created the state of the Great Russians, on a continental scale

                        The Engineer below briefly explains how a nation state differs from an empire in terms of its titular nationality.
                    2. EvilLion
                      EvilLion 23 December 2019 09: 46
                      +1
                      You should also take haloperidol regularly.
                    3. bondrostov
                      bondrostov 23 December 2019 19: 00
                      +1
                      And your idols apparently hump with EBN?
                  3. ccsr
                    ccsr 20 December 2019 16: 45
                    +8
                    Quote: RUSS
                    I do not make idols from rulers,

                    But do you have to pay tribute to the former ruler of the country, or does it depend only on your bias?
                  4. naburkin
                    naburkin 21 December 2019 15: 53
                    +8
                    Isn't that the Andropov who brought Gorbachev and Shevardnadze to the Politburo? Who twice did not allow Brezhnev to resign until he eliminated his competitors in power?
              2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 21 December 2019 18: 43
                +3
                You are mistaken, RUSS (Maxim). Stalin did a lot for the ROC MP. How will the Creator keep him in hell? No and no! The Heavenly Chancellery works clearly, distinctly, clearly and HONESTLY.
                Joseph Vissarionovich, who had no other official education besides spiritual, restored normal communication between the CHURCH and the STATE on the territory of our country in the forties of the last century. Destroyed by the Civil War and the activities of those whom Stalin delicately called "Trotskyists".
                It so happened that part of the priesthood did not follow the people during the years of confrontation between "whites" and "reds", but followed the "exploiting class". Now the 12-hour working day has returned and operation, so this decision of some priests is clear to us. It is quite understandable (but it is not a fact that we, modern people, who have let through the charms of capitalism, this is a decision of our own accord). Therefore, there were "overlaps". Awaiting its researchers is the topic of mutual communication between the conspirators - "Tukhachevites" and part of the hierarchy of the ROC. There were questions. Undoubtedly there were ... But one must understand that a part of the priests is only a part of the earthly church. And the Church itself and the "gates of hell" will not prevail. Until the end of the century. The brilliance of this pearl cannot be overshadowed! And it is possible and NECESSARY to be fed with energy from it. That is what the wise Leader I.V. Stalin. And the Patriarch was returned in 1943, and churches were built at the expense of the city executive committees (they still stand those "Stalinist" churches), they opened seminaries and academies, spiritual literature and periodicals were printed (the "Stalinist" Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate is still being published) A lot has been done to put ORDER in the spiritual sphere. So-called "Uniates" were put in place and churches were returned to the Orthodox, they fought against "ecumenism" and the spiritual aggression of the Vatican ...
                And hell will "hospitably open up" to others. Those who impose the pentagram on Holy Russia (in any system), barcodes, chips and "other INNs". Here, yes, they will go "enjoy the company of" hydrogen sulfide "alien brothers"
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 22 December 2019 13: 40
                  0
                  Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                  And hell will "hospitably open up" to others.
                  Before this paragraph, everything was fine, but what is the sinfulness of those who adopted or "imposed" the INN? If I drank off my wife's chipped fur coat by buying palenki without a barcode, did I do it right?
              3. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 21 December 2019 23: 20
                -3
                Cool! The Last Judgment happened.
                1. Nick
                  Nick 22 December 2019 07: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                  Cool! The Last Judgment happened.

                  If it happened, you would be in a different place, and not in nete.
                  1. Nikolai Korovin
                    Nikolai Korovin 23 December 2019 22: 10
                    0
                    This is Aesopian language. Or, if you like, Aesopov. I wrote my commentary under the commentary, where this court seems to have been concluded. Something he drove in the wrong place. It happens. See above. There is something sort of there, to whom where in this regard.
          3. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 16: 13
            +6
            SONG ABOUT STALIN E
            Because of the mountains, because of the high
            The blue-winged soared eagle ...
            He has a wide wingspan
            Overcame all obstacles.
            Following him we fly to the peaks,
            Look into the eyes of the sun ...
            Sunny summer, eagle
            The leader indicates the way.
            Sing, land, bloom with flowers
            In this proud, bright hour! .. •.
            The word of Stalin between us
            The will of Stalin I am in us!
            N m submissive steel of water,
            Under the foot lay the field.
            Factories are rising
            The land is being updated.
            All forward, single regiment
            The Bolshevik system is underway.
            Summer Stalin, eagle
            The wise leader leads the country.
            Radiant lights
            Life sparkles with us now ..,
            The word of Stalin between us
            I am a Stalinist I am in us!
            1. Altona
              Altona 20 December 2019 19: 33
              +13
              Quote: 30 vis
              SONG ABOUT STALIN E


              Vertinsky's song about Stalin "He". Perhaps the most heartfelt work.
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 22 December 2019 19: 20
              -7
              tongue wassat Sunny summer, eagle
              The leader points the way.
              Sing, land, bloom with flowers
              In this proud, bright hour! .. •.
              The word of Stalin between us
              The will of Stalin is in us!
              tongue They licked the backside of Uncle Joe, Joseph Vissarionovich, to exhaustion ... Flattery, fear, idolatry .... A thirst for blessings from the leader ...
          4. Arlen
            Arlen April 5 2020 11: 33
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            And let Putin not lie, we still live the Soviet legacy, laid down under Stalin!

            And we will probably still live off the Soviet legacy, not for a dozen years
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 27
          -34
          Quote: Comrade
          Exactly. Many tried, only he succeeded. Never in history has Russia been as strong and influential as under Comrade Stalin.

          I disagree - under Nicholas I, Russia reached its greatness and only then it was the only superpower, the "world gendarme"!
          1. Laurus
            Laurus 20 December 2019 11: 59
            +24
            And how does the defeat in the Crimean War and the shameful world fit into this?
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 12: 09
              +16
              And the bakers and defeat, it is a victory! Victory over common sense ...
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 22 December 2019 23: 36
                -7
                If you were in the village at that time, you would now radically change your mind to the opposite. It would be nice if the peasants then crunched with French rolls, but then it’s not like the French, there weren’t any of their most balcony - after 1928.
                1. bondrostov
                  bondrostov 23 December 2019 19: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  If you had sat down at that time

                  You might think you were 28m there ... famine rolled in the western hemisphere only with the development of villages. farm, and before that he was everywhere in a crop failure.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 23 December 2019 20: 28
                    -1
                    Volgograd region, he was the same as throughout the USSR.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 20 December 2019 12: 10
              -28
              Quote: Laurel
              And how does the defeat in the Crimean War and the shameful world fit into this?

              I know only one shameful world is the Brest peace.
              Contemporaries call the Crimean War - "zero world war", but the war was lost, but the West failed to achieve its goals, and Russia later returned all territories, reformed the army, economic reforms began, etc.
              1. Laurus
                Laurus 20 December 2019 12: 17
                +19
                Just the case when you need to either remove the cross or put on your underpants. Because then the Bolsheviks did the same thing later - the return of territories, reforms, etc., only more efficiently, on a large scale and productively.
                And if you are not aware of disgraces in the history of RI, then this speaks of gaps in your education, and not at all of the absence of disgraces, as you, apparently, in your ignorance.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 20 December 2019 12: 47
                  -18
                  Quote: Laurel
                  And if you don’t know the disgrace in the history of RI,

                  Known, but the conversation is not about them
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 23 December 2019 20: 31
                  -1
                  This is called idiocy, when everything built is destroyed, pulled apart, and then restored again, everything has happened twice in Russian history.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 December 2019 12: 09
            +11
            Quote: RUSS
            I disagree - under Nicholas I, Russia reached its greatness and only then it was the only superpower, the "world gendarme"!

            But I respectfully object to the words of the historian and publicist K. D. Cavelin, who, after the death of Nicholas I, wrote:
            "The Kalmyk demigod, who went through a hurricane, and a whip, and a roller, and a rasp on the Russian state for 30 years, cut out the faces of thought, destroyed thousands of characters and minds, spent more money on trinkets of autocracy and vanity than all previous reigns, starting from Peter I, - this is a fiend of uniform education and the vilest side of Russian nature - finally died, and this is the absolute truth. "
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 22 December 2019 14: 02
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I object to the words of the historian and publicist K. D. Cavelin
              Modern Westerners liberals write the same thing about modern Russian authorities. They do not change in time - they always blaspheme Russian power in a single chorus with Western liberals.
            2. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 23 December 2019 22: 14
              0
              For all the controversy of the figure of Nicholas I, still, probably, it’s definitely not worth accepting this characteristic unconditionally. It would be nice to weigh the real pros and cons and balance. Maybe he will turn out to be negative, but is Nikolay personally to blame for all the negative facts? Again, we are dealing with the cult of personality scruff of the neck. This world villain spoiled everything.
          3. Octopus
            Octopus 20 December 2019 16: 11
            -4
            Quote: RUSS
            Russia reached its greatness and only then it was the only superpower, the "world gendarme"!

            Greatness as it is.
            Take an interest in the length of the railway in Russia 1850 and the United States, where just then the blacks were lynched.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 22 December 2019 18: 48
              -2
              Quote: Octopus
              Take an interest in the length of the railway in Russia 1850 and the United States, where just then the blacks were lynched.

              I think that we all care who and where they lynched, the main thing is not ours.
          4. Ryaruav
            Ryaruav 20 December 2019 19: 41
            +5
            Russ and to the smallest loss of the Crimean War is this a merit?
          5. shoroh
            shoroh 21 December 2019 15: 20
            0
            So great that even being in an alliance with the victors, she managed to lose and collapse as a state. Indeed "the brilliant Nikolai". Nikolai was remembered only for the fact that he did the same thing as Gorbachev, but at the beginning of the century - he crap and cowardly washed away, refusing to answer for his crimes before the people.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 20 December 2019 08: 38
        +28
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        What JV Stalin did for the country and people, not a single leader could do.

        Really! Not a single leader in the history of Russia has done more for the country than I.V. Stalin. Moreover, in difficult conditions. Stalin will forever remain a reference point, that high standard, for future leaders, and today’s leaders can be compared, although there is nothing to compare at all.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 09: 02
          +19
          Modern leaders to Stalin, as on foot from Magadan to Moscow. They do not stand a nail on his little finger. Moreover, in all respects, from personal welfare to work efficiency!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 December 2019 09: 27
            +15
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Modern leaders to Stalin, as on foot from Magadan to Moscow.

            You can’t even mention them together with Stalin, let alone compare them. Stalin was a leader, a statesman, and the people stood behind him. And all these .... just topmanagers.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 31
              -22
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Stalin was a leader, a statesman, and the people stood behind him. And all these .... just topmanagers.

              At least one exclamation was popular when Khrushchev exposed Stalin? Apart from the rally in Georgia?
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 20 December 2019 12: 18
                +12
                Quote: RUSS
                At least one exclamation was popular when Khrushchev exposed Stalin? Apart from the rally in Georgia?

                You are young, it’s excusable to you and you don’t understand the Russian soul, but I remember very well when the newspaper Pravda came out with an obituary after the death of I.V. Stalin, where all the fields were black, half a page portrait of I.V. Stalin. And I walked along the streets with my parents and the whole people cried, the whole people took to the streets, the enterprises stopped, we all said goodbye to the leader of the country. And everybody considered Judas Khrushchev to be Judas and now they are.
              2. depressant
                depressant 20 December 2019 14: 13
                +10
                RUSS, the source of the then unrest in Georgia - wounded national pride. Stalin was a Georgian for the Georgians, and in accordance with their clan ideas, they considered the exposure of the "cult of personality" an attack against each of them. How can one not be offended? Such a luxurious occasion!
                As for Central Russia, the KGB was still working in wartime and during the era of the restoration of the national economy, and Khrushchev took advantage of this fact. The Committee acted harshly, but those brave ones who could jointly raise their voices in defense of the Leader and go against the KGB were no longer quantitatively - eight million Stalinist soldiers laid their heads on the fields of the Great Patriotic War! The best gene pool of the country! And if they were all alive? Would some insignificant Khrushchev dare to open his mouth in such a mean way? Yes, never! Many of those who were lucky enough to return alive from the war were wounded, healed, carried the hardships of restoring the national economy and, tearing themselves, quickly died or lived out their lives with disabilities. And those who were still able to raise their voices in defense of the leader — there were not so many physically relatively healthy, they were scattered, and they were tired too, their moral strength was exhausted. Do you know the concept of psychological fatigue? War severely injures the psyche! War undermines human capabilities! And who in those days had an idea of ​​psychological medical unloading?
                I had a chance to speak with veterans. They perceived the Second World War as the main business of their life. For more, many of them were already missing. Moreover, the habit of obeying party decisions affected. Stalin wanted to change this situation, leaving the party apparatus only an educational role, but did not have time, only 9 years outliving his army. And during the period of restoration of the national economy, this was not a paramount task. But Khrushchev, his betrayal responded to the uprising in Novocherkassk and persistent contempt from the people throughout all the years of his reign. Otherwise, like Khrushchev, they did not call him.
              3. Fat
                Fat 20 December 2019 17: 16
                +5
                Quote: RUSS
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Stalin was a leader, a statesman, and the people stood behind him. And all these .... just topmanagers.

                At least one exclamation was popular when Khrushchev exposed Stalin? Apart from the rally in Georgia?

                Come on. I suppose you know about the anti-terrorist group and who joined Shipilov. Khrushchev stayed in power at the expense of security officials, Zhukov and Serov. V. Molotov, G. Malenkov, K. Voroshilov, L. Kaganovich, N. Bulganin, M. Pervukhin, M. Saburov and "Shipilov, who joined them," got used to Khrushch for the de-Stalinization course on the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU on June 18, 1957, deciding to recommend The plenum of the Central Committee to replace Nikita ... Serov contacted Zhukov and Khrushchev's loyalists, candidates for members of the Presidium of the Central Committee, arrived with military aircraft. At the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Khrushchev avoided it, and the group became anti-party. Dushka Khrushchev did not forgive Zhukov for help. Serov, however, was also not lucky.
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 16: 08
              +3
              HI
              You, the beauty of all the cities of the earth,
              You, sage, the wisest of the living!
              Greetings from the heart, we have brought to you, -
              Moscow and Stalin - the heart of the whole earth!
              Hear my heartfelt words
              O city of winners, Moscow!
              You are the truth and freedom cradle
              You are the mind and peace of the citadel.
              Keepers of light and fire
              Defenders of the living, hear me!
              Composing a song at your gate
              A Tajik singer and his people.
              He was a drop among the tribes and countries,
              But it became a river flowing into the ocean.
              Leave in the beating of all living hearts
              Hear, great Stalin, on w father!
              Fortunately, you are calling humanity
              To the joy of humanity you live.
              You Leninist spirit eternal light
              Great leader, hear and my hello!
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 20 December 2019 23: 37
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Modern leaders to Stalin, as on foot from Magadan to Moscow. They do not stand a nail on his little finger.

            when they can not beat, they spit
      3. anjey
        anjey 20 December 2019 10: 48
        +6
        Any "personality cult" is still too much, although Stalin was a Personality with a capital letter, but there was also a strong party system of the Communist Party, whose merits were also considerable in the development and defense of the USSR.
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        What JV Stalin did for the country and people, not a single leader could do.

        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 11: 26
          +12
          anjey (Andrey)
          Any "personality cult" is still too much
          What do you mean by the concept of "personality cult" and what is the overkill?
          For me personally, all these cults are crossed out by one, a newsreel of the funeral of Joseph Vissarionovich. Millions of people across the country really cried, because they sincerely believed that they had lost the FATHER PEOPLE! And this is not empty pathos, it really was. And my grandmother (by the way, whose father was repressed), who survived the famine and the occupation, and my grandfather, who went through two wars, idolized both Stalin and until I died I did not hear bad words about Stalin from them. For grandfather, Stalin was generally an icon!
          1. anjey
            anjey 20 December 2019 11: 35
            +3
            I don’t argue, personalities make history, but also thanks to the great merit of the environment, the team, as it is fashionable to say now, and not the last turn of their united people.
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 12: 06
              +6
              So the leader’s merit lies in the fact that he knows how to select competent and professional helpers for key places, and the selection criterion is not so much dedication as professionalism. This is what distinguishes an outstanding leader from a seedy one. Take the environment of Catherine the Great and compare with the environment of Nicholas the Bloody. The results of the board are appropriate.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 December 2019 13: 02
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Millions of people across the country really cried, because they sincerely believed that they had lost the FATHER PEOPLE!

            And he IV Stalin rallied all the peoples of the Soviet Union.
        2. Laurus
          Laurus 20 December 2019 11: 32
          +22
          It is ridiculous to talk about the personality cult of Stalin against the background of that personality cult of Putin that is being wound up in our media. Now Putin has more cult, but less personality.
          1. peta locksmith
            peta locksmith 20 December 2019 12: 22
            +11
            not in the eyebrow, but in the eye
            and there are fewer personalities and not really affairs
            and, most importantly, the bureaucrat is afraid to press, everything pleases the family people
            Stalin built houses for the people at the expense of the state, and Putin destroys these houses with a major overhaul program, and, for the money of the residents of these houses
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 December 2019 13: 09
              +15
              Quote: petka locksmith
              not in the eyebrow, but in the eye
              and there are fewer personalities and not really affairs

              Well, as it was yesterday at the 15th conference, he was asked the question "Help to defend the rights" Sputnik "RT in Estonia". The answer is "We cannot." Thank you VVP, and we are residents of Russian Estonia, we were waiting for your help VVP. Thank you for not giving up.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 22 December 2019 23: 42
                -5
                And how should Putin defend the work of the Russian channel in another country?
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 20 December 2019 15: 20
        +10
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        What JV Stalin did for the country and people, not a single leader could do.


        and the more the country continues to be robbed and the mess, the more in demand will be "Stalin"
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 20 December 2019 21: 43
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          and the more the country continues to be robbed and the mess, the more in demand will be "Stalin"

          M. Elizarov. "Stalin's suit":
      5. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 16: 05
        -9
        Yes, a lot has been done .... Two of my grandfathers (peasants). uncle (fisherman), wife’s grandmother (kindergarten teacher) enemies of the people ... They passed the hell of the Stalinist camps. I don’t want to add anything else ...
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 20 December 2019 21: 53
          +7
          Quote: 30 vis
          Two of my grandfathers (peasants). uncle (fisherman), wife’s grandmother (kindergarten teacher) enemies of the people ... They passed the hell of the Stalinist camps. I don’t want to add anything else ...

          And everything, as usual, "FOR NOTHING!" ... Yes? Or, nevertheless, for what? Soberly (turning off related feelings) tried to figure it out? Or do you adhere to the principle that if relatives are, then, a priori, are innocent?
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 22: 21
            +1
            From Stalin's point of view, there was a reason. “The forest is being cut, the chips are flying!” But from the point of view of an ordinary person, he is not a chip! The first grandfather was in German captivity during the First World War. Got in Prussia. Samsonov's army .... In the Far East he worked as a saw-cutter .. Dissolve logs on the boards ... Total -German spy with two classes of parish school. It's good that the Japanese spy was not attached! The second grandfather, also a parish school and chauffeur courses .. (went through the whole war! Was a driver on the road of life, drowned, burned .....), having come from the Great Patriotic War, gave a rear officer in the face of a neighbor who was soliciting his wife. Became an enemy of the people ... Offended the communist official! Uncle got down to business ... Four of us ate a loaf of bread on guard ... They stole it and ate it. Seventeen-year-old boys ... Well, at least they didn’t shoot them .. My wife’s grandmother told political jokes .. Most likely she needed her place as a kindergarten teacher .. It’s hungry time .. It’s clear. Everyone survived as best he could .. Don’t let loose the language! .. From the point of view of the country's security, important persons. what
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 20 December 2019 22: 28
              +5
              Perhaps the question will seem strange to you ... But I want to ask you, as a "lawyer", a "lawyer": Have you read the cases? Or everything, according to the "victims"?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 22: 30
                -1
                You still need proofs to the studio ... They whispered in the family ... Father was the commander of the destroyer .. his counterintelligence friend asked a cup of brandy how you managed to have such a family! Father, father-in-law and brother .. these are the cases of the little ones!
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 20 December 2019 22: 33
                  +4
                  That is, as far as I understand, everything is from the words of the "victims". Further dialogue is meaningless. Alas.
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 22: 35
                    -4
                    That's the whole court.
                2. Egoza
                  Egoza 21 December 2019 11: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  his friend, a counterintelligence officer, asking for a cup of cognac, asked how you managed to have such kindred! Father, father-in-law and brother .. these are the cases of the little ones!

                  Sorry, but take an interest in who wrote the denunciations to them! learn a lot of interesting things. And do not have everything to I.V. Stalin to blame.
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 21 December 2019 12: 39
                    -6
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Sorry, but take an interest in who wrote the denunciations to them! learn a lot of interesting things. And do not have everything to I.V. Stalin to blame.

                    The policy of the party and of Comrade Stalin personally was aimed at combating the “enemies of the people!” True, the “enemies of the people” were the PEOPLE !! ... And who scribbled the denunciations is not important. Do you think denunciations are less scribbled now? But I and my family are not being poisoned at the felling ... And the neighbors are already running away with slander! These are the "neighbors" who are waiting for Stalin!
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 22 December 2019 15: 07
                      +3
                      Quote: 30 vis
                      The policy of the party and of Comrade Stalin personally was aimed at combating "enemies of the people!"
                      Do you think that the people do not have enemies? But what are the names of those who interfere with food stuff of any kind, from which people suffer from illnesses and rapid wear of the body? Or those who imprison the innocent to excuse criminals? The speculator in hunger is also an enemy ... What should be the policy of the head of state in their relation? The liberal tale that under a good king all the boyars are good is a lie under both the king and the communists. But the Marxist method implied the widespread use of labor camps, and on the ground they decided who the enemy was. Although at the top there were enough imitators who wanted to excel in this fight.
                      1. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 22 December 2019 19: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: sniperino
                        But the Marxist method implied the widespread use of labor camps, and on the ground they decided who the enemy was.

                        Great method ... Now imagine. You or your relatives according to the Marxist-Stalinist denunciation. Intrigue at work, jealousy, or black envy ... Herak! And your wife is a Japanese spy belay ... The cosmetics are used by a Japanese company! And in the Marxist exemplary camps ... There they’ll figure it out in five years .. either the enemy, or a friend .... And you will be indignant and you will be taken under white hands as a foreign agent will be tidied up .. recourse
                      2. sniperino
                        sniperino 22 December 2019 22: 38
                        +4
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Great method
                        I do not find, for a reactionary. smile
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 22 December 2019 23: 49
                      0
                      And thanks to his policy, anyone could become an enemy of the people, blabbed something not along the line of the Bolsheviks - the khan. It is now possible on all the resources of any politician and not only shit to pour openly and slush the president with slops - they will write out a maximum fine and will not pay attention if you are to hell with the gateway.
            2. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 21 December 2019 21: 47
              0
              And what have the enemies of the people to do with it? Even if you are not lying, which I doubt, I would like to take a look at things, now everything has been declassified, otherwise stories about your ancestors are all fun to sculpt, even in this case, two of the four you brought were sitting under criminal articles ...
              Threat. If Putin were Stalin and Serdyukov would be put on a quarter without the right of correspondence and with confiscation of property, his grandchildren from 101 kilometers would also tell stories about the innocent grandfather and the bloody Putin regime ...
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 21 December 2019 22: 27
                -1
                My grandfathers died. and the parents died ... And I, I'm not lying. I do not like lies. I do not like stupid people!
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 22: 25
            -4
            Quote: HanTengri
            Soberly (turning off kindred feelings) tried to figure it out? Or adhere to the principle that if relatives, then, a priori, innocent?

            Talking long and pointless ...
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 20 December 2019 23: 38
          +2
          Quote: 30 vis
          Yes, a lot has been done .... Two of my grandfathers (peasants). uncle (fisherman), wife’s grandmother (kindergarten teacher) enemies of the people ...

          you are not the only one
      6. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 20 December 2019 19: 31
        0
        and Ivan3, Ivan4 the Terrible, Peter 1 also did a lot for the country
      7. maden.usmanow
        maden.usmanow 20 December 2019 21: 50
        -3
        What JV Stalin did for the country and people, not a single leader could do.

        I agree. So many people no one has put.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 21 December 2019 00: 08
          0
          Quote: maden.usmanow
          So many people no one has put.

          For this, they are singled out with Ivan IV as the best rulers of Russia. You can still remember Lenin and Nikolai, but there was always a little movement, some kind of motley party, you can’t tell anyone how many victims. And Joseph and Ivan are clearly personified.
      8. smart ass
        smart ass 21 December 2019 18: 35
        +2
        For 10 years, Stalin turned an agrarian country into an industrial one; modern Russia has not been able to get off an oil needle in 30 years, so we would have 50-100 years to snatch
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 December 2019 23: 52
          -6
          Oil and gas occupies 19% in the structure of Russia's GDP - so they got down.
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt 23 December 2019 14: 19
            0
            Maybe they got off, only the last pants on the fence were left ...
            "Potemkin" small, and already medium-sized business - in general, there are no decent words ...
            Well, yes, that 19%, that 146%, what difference does it make is quite real ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 December 2019 20: 35
              -2
              I don’t know who you left the last pants on the fence - I personally and another 48 people with business are all right.
    2. Finches
      Finches 20 December 2019 06: 01
      +20
      Stalin is undoubtedly a figure of a historical, global scale! This is recognized both by the friends of our country and the enemies of our country - this is an objective reality. Like it or not! Let the GDP say that we no longer live the legacy of the USSR - it is disingenuous and knows about it itself - because all the largest enterprises, entire industrial sectors and directions were created in the USSR and their people created under the strict guidance of Joseph Vissarionovich, thanks to his iron will and life wisdom! From scratch, everything was essentially created - then it was only refined, improved and modernized ... There were enough excesses - there is no point in arguing with these, but if you remember what time it was, you involuntarily ask yourself a question - would it have turned out differently? At stake was the life of the whole country and the people living in it!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 09: 37
        +13
        Quote: Finches
        Like it or not! Let the GDP say that we no longer live as the legacy of the USSR - it is disingenuous and knows about it

        And which country doesn’t live as a legacy, even China, having broken into the most advanced country in 20 years, lives as a legacy. The GDP knows that he cannot achieve such successes as Stalin’s.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 December 2019 15: 21
          +10
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The GDP knows that he cannot achieve such successes as Stalin’s.

          that's why he said yesterday that we do not live "Soviet legacy" laughing
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 03
            +3
            Quote: Silvestr
            that's why he said yesterday that we do not live "Soviet legacy"

            Well, thank him for that.
      2. freddyk
        freddyk 20 December 2019 23: 46
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        There were enough excesses - to argue with these does not make sense, but if you remember what time it was, you involuntarily ask yourself a question - would it have turned out differently? At stake was the life of the whole country and the people living in it!

        They are doing it differently now. As you can see, it doesn't work. The difference is that Stalin thought on the scale of the entire people, the entire country, sacrificing private interests. A kind of giant anthill with a collective mind. Now you will overcome personal interests over state ones, so it is obvious that no breakthroughs are foreseen.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 December 2019 00: 23
          -4
          And what do you need a breakthrough: in nuclear energy, it is, in material science, in the CX there is - at last they started to use hydroponics and build vertical greenhouses in cities, in hypersonic aerodynamics and control in a plasma stream - Vanguard, Zircon, GTRVB, in additive technologies we printed human skin on our printer, and now we began to print organs, in shipbuilding began to build MRC corvettes frigates using low visibility technology, in radiolocation KRET continues work on the photon radar, in the Energomash engine building created a combined liquid propellant rocket engine for an aerospace aircraft in the energy sector. Rosatom is completing work on the creation of a space nuclear power engine and so on. If you are talking about raising salaries and pensions - with salaries other than state employees individually, and on the pension account - you are aware that part of the population with taxes is cheating and others do not pay them at all, since the pension system in Russia is accumulatively distributive - we have scanty pensions that the pension accumulations remaining with citizens after the collapse of the USSR since the 90s have depreciated and the state is now obliged to distribute all accumulations, including those who did not have these accumulations, and with tax revenues from oil even more throw trillion rubles every year, and salaries of state employees is the same as for the 20 trillion rubles in the shadows.
    3. Etienne
      Etienne 20 December 2019 06: 41
      +14
      But it’s weak to remember which Russia Stalin took and which he left to descendants?
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 06: 55
        +19
        Not weakly, now olgovich will wake up and tell you about Russia that they lost. About the developed industry in the Republic of Ingushetia, about how peasants ate from dairy rivers, eating bite of jelly and other nonsense from a parallel universe ... laughing
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 December 2019 09: 47
          +11
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          About the developed industry in the Republic of Ingushetia, about how peasants ate from dairy rivers,

          And he will tell you what the Rothschilds, Nobels, Gunzburgs and their companions did in Russia.
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 09: 56
            +8
            ihonmarine (Vlad)
            And he will tell you what the Rothschilds, Nobels, Gunzburgs and their companions did in Russia.
            Vlad, do not flatter yourself, will not tell, this is not provided for in his training manual.
            I asked him a question a while ago, a simple question such as how love for an imperfect king and at the same time for white generals, who had overthrown the same king, fit into his head. And what do you think received the answer? Whatever the case, olgovich was spinning like a frying pan, citing some miserable excuses, references to the history of the AUCPB, in general, everything was as always in his style.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 05
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Vlad, do not flatter yourself, will not tell, this is not provided for in his training manual.

              I, too, have the same opinion.
        2. fighter angel
          fighter angel 20 December 2019 10: 58
          +9
          "... Not weak, now Olgovich will wake up and tell you about the Russia they have lost. About the developed industry in Ingushetia, about how the peasants ate from milk rivers, nibbling on jelly banks and other nonsense from a parallel universe ..."

          This one can!
          In the morning he will zap a glass and begin to "crunch a French bun" ...
        3. Laurus
          Laurus 20 December 2019 11: 34
          +14
          Olgovich is generally a medical case. To read it, so the Bolsheviks drank milk rivers, stained the muddy shores with dirty boots and shot 100500 million innocently repressed, after which they sent them to the Gulag in Baikonur to build the BAM.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 06
            +4
            Quote: Laurel
            after which they sent them to the Gulag in Baikonur to build the BAM.

            It’s good not to dig the Black Sea.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 December 2019 08: 12
        -25
        Quote: Etienne
        But it’s weak to remember which Russia Stalin took and which he left to descendants?

        The author replied: he left a society of service and creation ".

        What is most clearly seen in the example of his family: almost ALL of Stalin’s relatives, with whom he was friends, visited, spent the night, sang songsserved in ... GERMAN. POLISH and Japanese intelligence. and created conspiracy, terrorist attacks, poisoning and murder.

        this ...ALL relatives brothers and sisters of wives of Stalin, their husbands, wives, children, as well as son-in-law, daughter-in-law, matchmaker, wife shot herself ..

        The son was also sitting, and the beloved Svetlana I. STALINA daughter stated her creed:
        "I DO NOT WANT to talkin Russian. I am ALWAYS HATE and HATE RUSSIA! Я I have not no relation to the RUSSIAN people! "


        Such a creation. Yes. and not a single: native daughters, sons, granddaughters Stalin, Khrushchev, Andropov. Brezhnev, Gorbachev - they live, thrive in the pro-Western West and pour mud on what has been created.

        The author writes about idolization, but NOT ONE NAME OF a faithful well-known Stalinist ... did NOT bring!
        No one can name them and no one here, although he asked a million times. belay request
        1. Karen
          Karen 20 December 2019 08: 36
          +18
          Quote: Olgovich
          The author writes about idolization, but NOT ONE NAME OF a faithful well-known Stalinist ... did NOT bring!
          No one can name them and no one here, although he asked a million times.

          Olgovich, I will give the name of a faithful Stalinist ... Tevosyan ... It was as a faithful Stalinist that he was expelled from Moscow by Khrushchev, appointed Ambassador to Japan ... (everyone knew that due to contraindications for health reasons it was just a sentence). .. But even there, the Stalinist Tevosov remained a faithful Stalinist, and in every possible way sabotaged Khrushchev’s instructions to surrender the Kuril Islands to the Japanese ...
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 December 2019 09: 46
            -15
            Quote: Karen
            Olgovich, I will give the name of a faithful Stalinist ... Tevosyan.

            1. Prove it and it is his in words
            2. The Politburo did not enter politics had any influence.
            1. Karen
              Karen 20 December 2019 10: 32
              +17
              1. and 2.
              He proved it with his deeds ... And these deeds (for example, in the Kuril Islands) were much more significant than the words from the Politburo ...
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 December 2019 10: 56
                -12
                Quote: Karen
                He proved it with his deeds ...

                That means. you have evidence no.

                Rt
                1. Karen
                  Karen 20 December 2019 10: 58
                  +6
                  I do not record ... I just inform ... About what happened ...
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 11
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              Prove it and it is with his words

              And you prove that these are not his words.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 December 2019 08: 34
                -2
                Quote: tihonmarine
                And you prove that these are not his words.

                What are you carrying?
                What words?! because ... there is nothing. lol
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 21 December 2019 12: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  What are you carrying?
                  What words?! because ... there is nothing.

                  Well, you really are in the pan.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 December 2019 13: 49
                    -3
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Well, you really are in the pan.

                    Do not bother your head and answer clearly: WHAT are Tevosyan’s words (and what about him) his / her not?

                    are you talking nonsense .... request
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 21 December 2019 13: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Do not bother your head and answer clearly: WHAT are Tevosyan’s words (and what about him) his / her not?

                      Well, you’re stuck to the back like a bath sheet.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 December 2019 13: 59
                        -2
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Well, you’re stuck to the back like a bath sheet.
                        belay lol
                        See above - it is YOU pestering me with an oak demand for proof of words that ... weren’t.


                        Tired of ...
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 21 December 2019 14: 04
                        -2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        See above - it is YOU pestering me with an oak demand for proof of words that ... weren’t.

                        This is not me, but Karen
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 December 2019 14: 20
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        This is not me, but Karen

                        don't remember yourself at all:
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        And you prove that these are not his words.
                        ?
                      4. Karen
                        Karen 21 December 2019 16: 20
                        +3
                        Olgovich, I’m just not interested in looking for Tevosyan’s literal words ... I’m more interested in his affairs ... For example, I know about one story with his participation that I admire ... From the work style of this Stalinist ...
                        Somehow, in the Urals, they had to open a new metallurgical department ... But they called him (the drug addict) from there and began to inform that the process was not starting ... Tevosyan, a former class engineer at the German school of metallurgy, suggested what to do ... And he asked then tell us about the result ... A few hours later they called from the factory, happy that it happened ... Unfortunately, Tevosyan was out of place at that moment, then he was reported ...
                        This is Stalinism at work ...
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 20 December 2019 09: 43
          +16
          Quote: Olgovich
          NOT ONE NAME OF a faithful well-known Stalinist ... NOT brought!

          Artem Fedorovich Sergeev, Major General of Artillery, one of the founders of the USSR anti-aircraft missile forces. S.A. Kovpak - twice a hero of the Soviet Union ....
          Olgovich! You only need outstanding? And those who to this day remain a Stalinist do not want to know? Nina Andreeva, Valeria Zaklunnaya, WWII veterans and thousands of our contemporaries, just people who remember, know and remain grateful to Comrade. I.V. To Stalin.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 December 2019 09: 58
            -21
            Quote: Egoza
            Artem Fedorovich Sergeev

            1.on .... led the country? How is Mikoyan and others?
            2. Prove it by statements.
            Quote: Egoza
            And those who to this day remain a Stalinist do not want to know? Nina Andreeva, Valeria Zaklunnaya, WWII veterans and thousands of our contemporaries, just people who remember, know and remain grateful to Comrade. I.V. To Stalin

            tens of thousands of monuments were sensationalized to him, his body was taken out, cities were renamed, at the congress ALL Communists condemned the cult. With the complete indifference of the people.
            This is just a fact.

            You set a minus for what? For .. facts? lol

            Can. by the way. even whipping the sea ... yes facts do not hurt.

            Normal building society, huh? Show more country. where so many relatives of the highest person were spies. saboteurs, bandits, terrorists (all-recognized by the SHIPS of the USSR).-I ask hi

            Under Stalin, TODAY's borders of Russia of the 17th century were established - from 1922 to 1940, the territory of Russia was reduced by THIRTEEN GERMANY for 18 years, 10 Crimea per year
            1. Karen
              Karen 20 December 2019 10: 36
              +11
              Olgovich, what would have happened to the Russians if Stalin had not been able to rid you of the power of the Trotsky? As I understand it, they would grind in ghevolutionary wars, such as the famous expression thereof: "the rear of the Red Army is in Berlin."
              1. Fraracol_2
                Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 04
                -6
                Horseradish radish is not sweeter.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 14
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              Under Stalin, TODAY's borders of Russia of the 17th century were established - from 1922 to 1940, the territory of Russia was reduced by THIRTEEN GERMANY in 18 years, 10 Crimea per year

              Well, the garbage is in your head.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 December 2019 08: 36
                -3
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Well, the garbage is in your head.

                Well, you have voids there, even surprise takes: can you refute? No?

                So fill in the voids first.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 21 December 2019 12: 59
                  -2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Well, you have voids there, even surprise takes: can you refute? No?
                  So fill in the voids first.

                  That's what they say people who have nothing to say.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 December 2019 14: 06
                    -2
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    That's what they say people who have nothing to say.

                    I said everything:
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Under Stalin, TODAY's borders of Russia of the 17th century were established - from 1922 to 1940, the territory of Russia was reduced by THIRTEEN GERMANY in 18 years, 10 Crimea per year


                    You answered with garbage:
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Well, the garbage is in your head.

                    .
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    That's what they say people who have nothing to say.

                    And again the trash. Nothing to say, save me from you.

                    I'm sick
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 December 2019 09: 52
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          Such a creation. Yes. and not a single one: native daughters, sons, granddaughters of Stalin

          But which of them is sitting in the West now? And how much do you think they stole, just thrive?
        4. Mwg
          Mwg 20 December 2019 11: 41
          +10
          Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria was a faithful Stalinist. For which he was killed.
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 11: 58
            -7
            Quote: MVG
            Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria was a faithful Stalinist. For which he was killed.

            Excuse me, but why was Joseph Dzhugashvili killed by Lavrenty Palych?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 17
              +6
              Quote: Pedrodepackes
              Excuse me, but why was Joseph Dzhugashvili killed by Lavrenty Palych?

              Are you sure that Beria? I personally am not sure. But I am sure that Beria was also sent after I.V. Stalin.
              1. Pedrodepackes
                Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 16: 51
                -6
                Quote: tihonmarine
                I personally am not sure. But sure

                so are you sure or not sure?
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Are you sure that Beria?

                Not only I am sure, but also the children and Stalin’s associates and historians who have studied this issue. It’s strange that you don’t know about it yet.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  Not only I am sure, but also the children and Stalin’s associates and historians who have studied this issue. It’s strange that you don’t know about it yet.

                  And I wrote and am writing again
                  But I am sure that Beria was also sent after I.V. Stalin.
                  1. Pedrodepackes
                    Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 17: 15
                    -3
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    And I wrote and am writing again
                    But I am sure that Beria was also sent after I.V. Stalin.

                    This is understandable, just look at the biography, the dates of death of both are close by. So what?
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 20 December 2019 17: 32
                      +3
                      Quote: Pedrodepackes
                      This is understandable, just look at the biography, the dates of death of both are close by. So what?

                      But is it not visible who came (seized power) in the country after Stalin.
                      1. Pedrodepackes
                        Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 17: 41
                        -4
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        But is it not visible who came (seized power) in the country after Stalin.

                        The same people, striving for power, because they are used to living at the expense of the state, only in a different guise. In a word, comrades-in-arms, after all, after Stalin's death, no new faces appeared in the Politburo or in governing the country. All the same "faithful Stalinists", because the infidels have already rotted away in the Lubyanka or have been shot. Is not it?
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 December 2019 12: 44
            -6
            Quote: MVG
            Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria was a faithful Stalinist. For which he was killed.

            I forgot it! yes

            but comrade Molotov another opinion about him, July 1953: he exposed as a traitor, as an enemy of our party and the Soviet state, he is a great criminal and dangerous adventurer, a hardened enemy "
            And comrade Voroshilov at the same time: "the disgusting enemy of Beria, Beria was impudent, rude, arrogant, Beria is a type of cunning, cunning enemy, a type of a complete adventurer, an intriguer",

            And comrade Mikoyan, comrade Malenkov and other comrade of the same opinion. belay request

            By the way, immediately after the death of Stalin, Beria stopped everything and became a mega-building, announced an amnesty and opposed .. the culture is personal:
            July 1953:
            "Andreev. After the death of Comrade Stalin, it is clear that he began to speed up his coming to power and must have been rushed, as Comrade Voroshilov rightly said, and he became even more insolent. What he did not dare to do during Comrade Stalin's life, he began to spend after his death, began to discredit the name of Comrade Stalin, cast a shadow on the greatest man after Lenin. In fact, the appearance of materials signed by Beria in the minutes of the Presidium in the case of doctors in Georgia and others, where a shadow is cast in the name of Comrade Stalin, is this his business. A question arose from somewhere about the cult of personality. .This is the tricks of Beria.
            recourse
            1. Pedrodepackes
              Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 17: 12
              -4
              Quote: Olgovich
              By the way, immediately after the death of Stalin, Beria stopped everything and became a mega-building, announced an amnesty and opposed .. the culture is personal:

              even earlier it all started, for example, the “Leningrad affair” started in the midst of the “struggle against cosmopolitans”, the result of which, in addition to the repression of Stalin’s nominees, was replaced by Beria’s people in key positions. Even Vlasik was dumped. And the "doctors' case" in this vein was also ambiguous. The luminaries of medicine were removed from Stalin and amateurs were appointed.
        5. BAI
          BAI 20 December 2019 12: 53
          +3
          but NOT ONE NAME OF a faithful famous Stalinist ... did NOT bring!
          No one can name them and no one here, although he asked a million times.

          Molotov, Voroshilov, Budyonny, Ustinov, Andropov in the end. Etc.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 December 2019 13: 46
            -5
            Quote: BAI
            Molotov, Voroshilov, Budyonny, in the end. Etc.


            Resolution of the 20th Party Congress (delegates -Molotov, Voroshilov, Budyonny,) with the condemnation of the cult of personality adopted UNANIMOUSLY.

            V.M. Molotov:

            «
            Supported by the entire party, Central Committee firmly opposed the personality cult alien to Marxism-Leninism, played such a negative role in a certain period
            .
            Quote: BAI
            Andropov
            Firmly! yes
            yeah:
            in 1962, he was elected secretary of the party Central Committee. AT formed by him
            apparatus - consultants from the scientific and journalistic community. In time-
            Many years in this circle included A. Bovin, O. Bogomolov, F. Burlatsky, G. Ar-
            Batov, G. Shakhnazarov.

            Almost
            all Andropov’s consultants were supporters destalinization
            lol
            1. BAI
              BAI 20 December 2019 16: 02
              +2
              1. Do you see the difference between a consultant and a manager?
              2. Suslov I still forgot to add. Based on your logic, is Brezhnev a Stalinist after that? If Suslov was in the Politburo?
              3.
              Adopted UNANIMOUSLY.

              What did you expect from 1956? Even a frivolous discussion. And in general, when did the Congress of the CPSU (after Stalin) vote not unanimously?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 December 2019 08: 50
                -4
                Quote: BAI
                Do you see the difference between a consultant and a manager?

                WHO picked up himself anti-Stalinists in the state, don’t you see?
                Quote: BAI
                2. Suslov I still forgot to add.

                Ага. lol Only at the 20th congress did he even criticize the cult of personality before Khrushchev and voted for the resolution
                Quote: BAI
                What did you expect from 1956? Even a frivolous discussion. And in general, when did the Congress of the CPSU (after Stalin) vote not unanimously?

                What is it ... not serious, what are you talking about? ALL of your "Stalinists" have condemned the personality cult and even condemned it. This is a betrayal, do you not understand?

                And at what congress did they vote unanimously under Stalin? At 17, 18, 19? lol
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 21
              -1
              Quote: Olgovich
              The resolution of the 20th party congress (delegates Molotov, Voroshilov, Budyonny,) condemning the cult of personality was adopted UNANIMOUSLY.

              Not that you read dear. As you have been driving by "ears", so you are now trying to drive us by "ears". You, as Ukrainian journalists, "mold" only your own.
              1. Mwg
                Mwg 20 December 2019 18: 51
                0
                They mold it the way there is an order. "What time is it? And how much do you need?"
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 20 December 2019 20: 33
                0
                Quote: tihonmarine
                You, as Ukrainian journalists, "mold" only your own.

                Thank ! I see two Ukrainians do not agree.
              3. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 December 2019 08: 51
                -1
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Not that you read dear. As you have been driving by "ears", so you are now trying to drive us by "ears". You, as Ukrainian journalists, "mold" only your own.

                to school, ignoramus! hi
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 21 December 2019 13: 01
                  -3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  to school, ignoramus!

                  Here, here you go and learn a little dear, "learning is light, and ignorance is darkness."
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 December 2019 14: 08
                    -3
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Here, here you go, learn some dear, "learning is light, and ignorance is darkness"

                    I cited the FACTS of participation of Molotov, Voroshilov, their daily voting, the words of Molotov.

                    You refuted them? No? So what, huh?

                    Tired of .....
    4. Etienne
      Etienne 20 December 2019 06: 43
      0
      The comment should be put where it is sent.
    5. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 20 December 2019 07: 42
      +17
      Joseph Stalin during his life the people idolized. They sang songs about him, erected monuments to him, assigned his name to cities, enterprises and natural sites. The people met the news of his death as a huge tragedy not only for the whole country, but also for each individual person.

      I.V. Stalin was the Greatest Man in the past 200, or even 300 years in the history of Russia. He took Russia with a kerosene lamp, and gave it away with a nuclear bomb, and also under his clear leadership of the USSR he won the most terrible and bloody war in the history of mankind.
      And, here is nonsense, he himself did not steal anything and did not give it to others!
      Persons of this magnitude are, in principle, rare, and at the head of a huge country are units.
      All subsequent heads of the USSR are not suitable for him, and even less so for modern Russia.
      No matter how our modern leaders of the country brag about their "breakthroughs" in the annual improvement and raising of the standard of living in Russia, and yet they are terrified of what they have done!
      They are afraid that sooner or later they will ask them for their vile deeds!
      Garant and Co. are well aware of what would have happened to them and their families with Comrade. I.V. Stalin, for all that they have since 1991. did with Russia and with the people!
      So they are trying to extinct their honest name in the mud, by any means make the people forget or hate the name of I.V. Stalin.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 16: 34
        +4
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        I.V. Stalin was the Greatest Man in the past 200, or even 300 years in the history of Russia.

        From 1924 to 1953, JV Stalin created the Power, and did not let it destroy world imperialism. This is his highest merit to the people of the country.
    6. Military Builder
      Military Builder 20 December 2019 07: 47
      +20
      it is necessary to praise, because against the background of other leaders, including the present, Stalin I.V. is a statesman in a capital letter, and no analogues are visible in the foreseeable past and present.
      Although he is Georgian, and more than a Russian leader, there was none and no.

      The Chinese did not abandon Stalin, this is the reason for the Chinese economic miracle.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 10: 01
        +6
        Quote: War Builder
        The Chinese did not abandon Stalin, this is the reason for the Chinese economic miracle.

        And our modern leaders, from one word, Stalin, woke up wet in a dream. For a long time they will etch the name of this person of the 20th century from the minds of the people.
      2. Mwg
        Mwg 20 December 2019 11: 43
        +4
        Moreover, the Stalinist planning system was used after the war in Japan, which showed everyone the wonders of rational management.
    7. APIS
      APIS 20 December 2019 08: 43
      +9
      true as always, in the middle ..

      No middle ground. They are trying to slander Stalin by covering up their inconsistency with the current authorities. The problems before him were more serious than now. He decided them, was mistaken in something. But instead of taking all that is useful, and not repeating mistakes, the current ones are trying to cover up everything with a continuous d. It is useless to talk with such people; they can only think black / white with cliches. And not far from the right stamps
      1. depressant
        depressant 20 December 2019 09: 38
        +15
        There, Olgovich is tearing up - Stalin's relatives hated it, which means that he was so bad. And this conclusion justifies their betrayal.
        But are relatives able to love him and share his convictions, who is completely immersed in the affairs of the country and he has it in the foreground? Which of the wives does not torment, does not curse husbands who give themselves entirely to work, forget about the family, children? Which of the children does not reproach such a father? Read biographies of at least famous Soviet and modern actors, read literature in general!
        Relatives of Stalin were ordinary people of ordinary abilities, with a negligible level of empathy and very great egoism. Therefore, they could not rise to the greatness of the tasks facing Joseph Vissarionovich, and did not even try to understand it. But, having not received the satisfaction of their egoism in the form of some special blessings and honors, they very well managed to sink to betrayal. Stalin was not so much a husband and father as a great statesman, his family was a huge country - the USSR. And she, this family, is still alive - it is we who share his convictions. We are still forming this country, it is by no means virtual, because there are many of us, the true descendants of Stalin.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 09: 52
          +3
          That's right, great rulers are rare, and almost never are good family men or good parents. Take the same Catherine the Great, and Peter the Great, all have the same thing. Not acceptance by children of their parents, not established relations with wives and husbands.
          Once a great leader to do family affairs.

          P.S. But do not pay attention to olgovich, we say about such people: a dog barks - the wind wears.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 December 2019 11: 20
          -9
          Quote: depressant
          There Olgovich is torn - Stalin's relatives hated, so he was so bad.

          belayHow do you read? ! lol

          These are his RELATIVES, moreover, without exception and the closest, were destroyed and planted, and not vice versa. And they were recognized by the entire USSR as spies, traitors, terrorists, etc.

          Quote: depressant
          Relatives of Stalin were ordinary people of ordinary abilities, with a negligible level of empathy and very great egoism.

          therefore, they had to be shot and planted. yes

          Call yes. one more, at least. a country where almost all relatives of the highest person turned out to be spies, traitors, terrorists, etc. The norm is, apparently.
          Quote: depressant
          We still form this country

          I’ll only remind you: today's borders of Russia of the 17th century were established precisely in the period 1922-1940: its territory was reduced by thirteen germanium, 10 Crimea per year. In no war has Russia ever had such losses.

          How good it was for the Russian people!
          1. depressant
            depressant 20 December 2019 12: 07
            +9
            Olgovich, relatives of Stalin who they were, they got it. According to the law of justice. Singapore went the same way and rose. Justice - it always works correctly ...
            Stalin, responsible for the whole country, could not afford to be guided by one morality in relation to one and the other in relation to others. He was an example, hundreds of millions of people looked at him, and I can imagine how much mental strength and courage he needed to make some kind of tragic decisions regarding his family. He left us early too and therefore.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 December 2019 13: 02
              -9
              Quote: depressant
              Olgovich, relatives of Stalin who were they got.

              And in Russian? request
              Quote: depressant
              on the law of justice

              What kind of beast is this?
              Quote: depressant
              Stalin, responsible for the whole country, could not afford to be guided by one morality in relation to one and the other in relation to others. He was an example, hundreds of millions of people looked at him,

              so am I about the same: an example with relatives is indicative.
            2. Fraracol_2
              Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 12
              -1
              But so many people have saved their freedom and lives.
          2. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 32
            +2
            You Olgovich have some kind of crazy complex, it’s clear that they didn’t write in present life, they didn’t achieve anything worthwhile under the Soviet regime. really, what did modern Russia and the Soviet Union do better before?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 December 2019 13: 04
              -10
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              You Olgovich have some kind of crazy complex, it’s clear that they weren’t written in modern life, they didn’t achieve anything worthwhile under the Soviet regime.

              According to the facts, there are objections? no?

              Hello! Chatter is not interested
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 17: 10
                +3
                Yes, there are a lot of objections, but you're one of those who count on mother-in-law’s head, all in one, often you just want to turn around like you chewed, but by age it’s not solid
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 December 2019 08: 56
                  -3
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Yes, there are many objections, but you are one of those who count on your head mother-in-law

                  Your mother-in-law has nothing to do with it, do not kill her! lol

                  So WHERE of the rebuttal, ignoramus? lol
          3. Yury Siritsky
            Yury Siritsky 20 December 2019 12: 48
            +8
            Listen, you’re already fed up with your examples. What Russia has declined. Poland has left, Russia doesn’t need it, eternal bloody uprisings. They let Finland go, I think it’s also normal. These are not Russian territories and they don’t need Russians. What else has Russia lost? Baltic States , in the year 40 returned. Western Ukraine and Belarus so they also returned in the same year. So do not drive the blizzard.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 December 2019 13: 09
              -14
              Quote: Yuri Siritsky
              Listen, you're already fed up with your examples.

              And how are you tired of your denseness request
              Quote: Yuri Siritsky
              They let Finland go, I think it’s also normal. These are not Russian territories and Russians do not need them. What else has Russia lost?

              You do not understand Russian? What ... Plesha. Finland?!

              Again for a tanker: in the period with 1922-1940 g: territory RUSSIA has been reduced at thirteen germany, 10 Crimea per year.

              it was then established TODAY'S STATE BORDERS Russia.
            2. Cyer
              Cyer 21 December 2019 21: 05
              -6
              These are not Russian territories and they are not needed by Russians


              "Non-Russian" territories are also - Crimea, Siberia, the Volga region, the Far East, the Caucasus.

              Russia does not need these territories?)
              1. Edmond dantes
                Edmond dantes 25 December 2019 18: 05
                0
                Do you want to give the Volga to the Bulgars?
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 20: 39
        +3
        Quote: APIS
        They are trying to slander Stalin by covering up their inconsistency with the current authorities.

        Like V.I. They are still trying to slander Lenin, and they don’t forget about Marx and Engels.
    8. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2019 09: 21
      +4
      Quote: anjey
      Of course, one should not praise Stalin through chur; there were enough shortcomings both in the system and in his personality

      Well then, at least call a person - a ruler who had fewer shortcomings than Stalin.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 20 December 2019 11: 21
        +7
        Well, there is another "East Stalin" who made a prosperous country out of the colonial province of Singapore - Lee Kuan Yew
        .https: //topwar.ru/28022-kak-pobedili-korrupciyu-v-singapure.html
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 December 2019 11: 41
          +6
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Well, there is another "East Stalin" who made a prosperous country out of the colonial province of Singapore - Lee Kuan Yew

          Naturally, he can rightfully be considered one of the most prominent political figures of the second half of the twentieth century. Only the scale of states is slightly different.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 20 December 2019 15: 47
            -5
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Naturally, he can rightfully be considered one of the most prominent political figures of the second half of the twentieth century.

            Yes, a unique friend. The man who proved that the fascist dictatorship can be both rich and technically modern state.
    9. Starper-xnumx
      Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 18: 29
      +5
      Quote: anjey
      Of course, it is not necessary to praise Stalin through chur, there were enough shortcomings both in the system and in his personality, but it is also not worth it to defame and interfere with our liberties, as true, as always, in the middle ..

      The truth is the same !!!!. Stalin did not allow any thieves and rogues in the USSR to "turn around" .. That is why they hated him, they hate and will hate in all "their media" ..
      do you remember how frightened “these” had when during the voting “the face of Russia” Stalin came out on top? Everything was erased at once .. heh heh

      There is something to think about ... Putin would have acted like that too, otherwise Russia would be lost! hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 20: 42
        +4
        Quote: Starper-777
        do you remember how frightened “these” had when during the voting “the face of Russia” Stalin came out on top? Everything was erased at once

        They thought people forgot who is who. But the people of their heroes remember, and ..... too.
        1. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 21: 36
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          They thought people forgot who is who. But the people of their heroes remember, and ..... too.

          Remember, and this scares them terribly hehe
          They are now spread to the souls of our children and grandchildren .. That's scary! angry
    10. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 21 December 2019 09: 40
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      Of course, it is not necessary to praise Stalin through chur, there were enough shortcomings both in the system and in his personality, but it is also not worth it to defame and interfere with our liberties, as true, as always, in the middle ..

      And I think - it is necessary to praise. It is not necessary to deify, but it is necessary to praise. Because in his time, for a simple person, there were more opportunities than in the present, despite the fact that the state had much less opportunities for this.
    11. Private89
      Private89 21 December 2019 10: 20
      +1


      Who shakes his fist retroactively
      Courage is not given.
      He is like a bad swimmer, not to drown
      Pulling others to the bottom.
      With a swirl of days, time shook everything
      Upward rising dregs.
      And therefore, any donkey can easily
      Kick the dead lion. "

      All villains have become a nightmare
      These two words are "Comrade Stalin".
      They still have your pseudonym "Koba"
      Like a bullet in the forehead, like a nail in the lid of the coffin.

      Heard from all angles without changing the essence
      Different jackals howl.
      On your grave hill seventy years bear
      Heap your rubbish.
      Only now, to them in spite of the wind, the impulse is such
      What takes away the trash.
      A place of love in hearts, and at the ends of bayonets
      Hate enemies.

      Every soldier knew the Supreme with us,
      When dragging a banner through the heat.
      Mig where it is worn on the Reichstag
      Well it was your Victory.


      You live all living, as if your count
      I did not conduct VTsIOM.
      Well, not your watch at the millionth expense
      Sold the auction.
      Taking with plow in bast shoes, you bequeathed the country
      With a nuclear bomb to us.
      Uncle Joe for them, I think, I’m not lying,
      Enemy number one.

      Let all ideas be razed to the ground,
      Their seeds sprouted roots.
      In the air, the red glow warmed
      An echo is heard "All power to the Soviets!"
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 21 December 2019 11: 38
        +1
        All villains have become a nightmare
        These two words are "Comrade Stalin".
        They still have your pseudonym "Koba"
        Like a bullet in the forehead, like a nail in the lid of the coffin.

        Private 89! THANK!!!! 10000 pluses would put!
  2. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 05: 32
    +3
    Stalin is a strong politician and a wise leader of the state! But humanity is arranged in such a way that one is replaced by another. Unfortunately, the political struggle is primarily the struggle of leaders who, in order to stay in power, must prove that they are better than their predecessors. The uniqueness of the historical situation after February-October 1917 was that Stalin did not have to prove his leadership with the country's past leaders. The aristocracy, which was essentially not Russian, was rejected by the population of the Russian Empire, the leaders of the revolution (Lenin - after the assassination attempt in 1919, became more a symbol than the leader of the country), professional revolutionaries could not stop and continued the revolution for the sake of the revolution itself, not realizing that Russia need peace and quiet. It was in such conditions that the leader of the country appeared, turning from revolutionary Dzhugashvili into the leader of Stalin's country, who announced the possibility of building socialism in a single country. Those who were against this thesis were simply destroyed by "revolutionary methods", and the revolutionary Dzhugashvili, who did not graduate from universities, knew no other methods. Therefore, the repressions against those who interfered with the main task and plan of creating a socialist state (Trotsky, Kamenev, Rykov and other professional revolutionaries) were simply, in a revolutionary way, “cleaned out”. Was Stalin, as some historians now imagine to us, a dictator, a lone tyrant, with an unbalanced psyche? Definitely not. In the transformation of the revolutionary expropriator Dzhugashvili into the leader of the country, Stalin took place with the support of the majority of representatives of the Bolshevik Party, it was this majority that nominated and supported Stalin throughout the entire period of his stay in power. Stalin is the tip of the iceberg. Therefore, you cannot turn him into an idol for worship, but you also cannot forget that Stalin's personal merits.
    1. GKS 2111
      GKS 2111 20 December 2019 06: 11
      +15
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Stalin is a strong politician and a wise leader of the state!

      1. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 12: 09
        -8
        Stalin is a strong politician and a wise leader of the state!
        without denying this postulate about a strong politician, yet about asceticism:
        "...
        1. Far cottage in Zubalovo.
        2. The nearest summer cottage in Kuntsevo.
        3. Lipki, - an old manor on Dmitrovskoye Shosse, with a pond, a wonderful house and a huge park with centuries-old lindens;
        4. Semenovskoye - a new house, built just before the war near the old estate with large ponds dug up by the serfs, with extensive forest.
        5. Sokolovka, - a gloomy, dark house, where we all began to go this autumn instead of our dear Zubalov ... "
        6. For the father, the architect Miron Ivanovich Merzhanov built three wonderful houses: one in Sochi, not far from Matsesta, at a place chosen by his father along with his mother;
        7 ... the other - not reaching Gagra, near the Cold River;
        8 ... the third behind Adler, near the river Mus'era.
        9. In the fall of 1941, housing was prepared in Kuibyshev for his father. They expected him to come here. We repaired several summer cottages on the banks of the Volga, built colossal bomb shelters underground ... "
        "... In the summer of 1946, he left for the south - for the first time since 1937. He went by car. A huge procession pulled along the then bad roads, after which they began to build a highway to Simferopol. We stayed in cities, spent the night with secretaries Father wanted to see with his own eyes how people live - and all around was post-war devastation. After this trip to the south, several more dachas began to be built there, now they were called “state dachas.” Formally, it was believed that all members could rest there. Politburo, but usually, except for his father, Zhdanov, Molotov, no one used them ... "
        "...
        10 ... They built a cottage near Sukhumi,
        11 ... near New Athos,
        12 ... a whole summer cottage complex on Ritsa,
        13 ... and also the cottage on Valdai.
        14. Dacha in Borjomi ... "
        "... His entire salary was monthly added up in packages on his desk. I don't know if he had a savings book - probably not. He did not spend money himself, there is nowhere and nothing to spend on him. All his life , dachas, houses, servants, food, clothes - all this was paid for by the state, for which there was a special department somewhere in the MGB system, and there was their own accounting department, and it is not known how much they spent ... He himself did not know this. Sometimes he pounced on his commandants and generals from the guard, on Vlasik, with abuse: "Parasites! You are making money here, I know how much money flows through your sieve! "But he did not know anything, he only intuitively felt that huge funds were flying away ... He tried to somehow audit his farm, but nothing came of it - he was slipped some invented numbers. He was enraged, but he could not find out. With his omnipotence, he was powerless, helpless against the terrifying system that had grown around him like a giant honeycomb - he could neither break it, nor even to control ... General Vlasik disposed of millions on his behalf, for construction, for the trips of huge special trains, - but his father could not even really figure out where, how much, to whom ... "
        From the recollections of Stalin's daughter, Svetlana Alliluyeva. Nothing personal.

        Yes, and about the notorious "three rubles":
        The very inventory of Stalin's property took place at the Blizhnyaya dacha and only the property that was in this dacha was included in it. You should also pay attention to the phrase: "other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory."
        Moreover, Stalin could not have had "three rubles" in his pocket, for being on state support, Comrade Stalin did not pay anything to anyone.
        1. Laurus
          Laurus 20 December 2019 12: 23
          +15
          These cottages - are they personally Stalin or state? After his death, did they inherit from his relatives or stayed with the state? How was he doing with accounts in offshore and palaces in NATO countries? Did he have friends like cellist Roldugin, who in an unknown way played more than a billion dollars on cello?
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 12: 33
            -12
            Quote: Laurel
            These cottages - are they personally Stalin or state?

            An interesting question, Stalin personally used them at the expense of the state, will arrange such an answer?
            Quote: Laurel
            After his death, did they inherit from his relatives or stayed with the state?

            And after death, who cares, who cares?
            Quote: Laurel
            How was he doing with accounts in offshore and palaces in NATO countries?

            Excuse me, you don’t have the breadth of thought like Comrade Stalin’s; you, in the way of thought, are more like our soviet oligarchs. I will quote you one person with whom I completely agree:
            Stalin was the richest man in the USSR, and at the same time had official cars, residences in the best places of the country for rest and health, and generally lived on everything ready. He had no need to spend his money on any necessities of life. The whole country was already his property.
            And you about some little things: offshore, yachts ....
            Quote: Laurel
            Did he have friends like cellist Roldugin, who in an unknown way played more than a billion dollars on cello?
            I understand who you are hinting at, but why compare one communist with another? And why should Stalin Roldugin with some kind of beggarly billion dollars.
            "... He lived in his huge state-owned dacha, where he set up a colossal farm, a kennel, a stable ... He was given everything, everything was allowed - Vlasik tried to please him so that Vasily could shield him in front of his father at the right moment ..." , this is S. Alliluyeva about his brother V. Stalin. So he did not forget the IVS and his relatives, putting them on state support.
            1. Laurus
              Laurus 20 December 2019 13: 34
              +13
              Of course, of course, palaces, offshore, billions, family members on permanent residence in NATO countries - this is a trifle, not worthy of mention. Here is the state cottage - from this cool to measure!
              1. Pedrodepackes
                Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 14: 00
                -13
                Quote: Laurel
                Of course, of course, palaces, offshore, billions, family members on permanent residence in NATO countries - this is a trifle, not worthy of mention.

                Well, compared with the whole country. And why do you think that
                Quote: Laurel
                Permanent residence in NATO countries
                is it cool? In the USSR, life was much better, especially since for the family members of the "owner" and his entourage, the laws were not written, but try to negotiate with the policeman "for travel at a red light" in NATO countries laughing
                Quote: Laurel
                Here is the state cottage - from this cool to measure!
                from 14 to 20 pieces at the same time.
                you know yes! There is a summer house, your head about servicing in the country house and the summer house itself does not hurt, you are guarded around the clock, fed, sea water is brought to the pool and you don’t even have to pay for it. I would not refuse.
                1. Edmond dantes
                  Edmond dantes 25 December 2019 18: 15
                  -1
                  Do you think our current president lives differently? Only his children seem to live abroad.
                  1. Pedrodepackes
                    Pedrodepackes 25 December 2019 18: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: Edmond Dantes
                    Do you think our current president lives differently?

                    Is our president from another formation? The same commie, only changing shoes all the time.
                    Quote: Edmond Dantes
                    Only his children seem to live abroad.

                    and Stalin’s daughter is not abroad? Vasya, he would be alive, he would also be yanked there. I won’t say anything about Jacob, but he was an unloved son.
            2. naidas
              naidas 20 December 2019 17: 57
              +5
              Quote: Pedrodepackes
              Stalin personally used at the expense of the state

              Well, you are also not a saint on this basis - sit on the neck of the state, use the benefits for a small bribe, and you have the audacity to point out others.
              1. Pedrodepackes
                Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 21: 23
                -3
                Quote: naidas
                sit on the neck of the state

                what and show where the neck of this state? Why do I pay for everything.
                1. naidas
                  naidas 22 December 2019 15: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  and show where the neck of this state? Why do I pay for everything

                  Pay because you are not yet the head of state. You haven’t deserved it yet, now Roosevelt, Stalin, Putin have become heads of state and do not pay.
                  1. Pedrodepackes
                    Pedrodepackes 23 December 2019 07: 42
                    -1
                    Quote: naidas
                    sit on the neck of the state

                    Quote: naidas
                    Pay

                    I don’t understand you, so am I sitting on the neck of the state or am I still crying?
                    Quote: naidas
                    Roosevelt, Stalin, Putin became heads of state and do not pay.

                    There is no need to put totalitarianism and democracy on a par, Stalin did not pay anyone except party contributions, I don’t know how Putin is, and Roosevelt had both income and expenses.
                    1. naidas
                      naidas 23 December 2019 16: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Pedrodepackes
                      No need to put totalitarianism and democracy on a par

                      I don’t see a difference in this, and here and there the leader should be provided with everything. But different people stuck to the benefits and point a finger at the head of state, why not me. This position seems to me to be wrong.
        2. BAI
          BAI 20 December 2019 13: 01
          +7
          yet about asceticism

          And were the mansions larger than the imperial palaces or the current dachas of middle-ranking officials and government dachas? And did he personally give orders to build them, or did someone admonish themselves?
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 20 December 2019 13: 25
            -6
            Quote: BAI
            And he personally gave orders to build them
            from the memoirs of Stalin’s daughter S. Alliluyeva (I repeat, especially for you, if you’ve read the text):
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            After this trip to the south, they began to build several more dachas — now they were called "state dachas".

            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            6. For the father, the architect Miron Ivanovich Merzhanov built three wonderful houses: one in Sochi, not far from Matsesta, at a place chosen by his father along with his mother;

            all dachas were built in agreement with Stalin, for example, Matsestinskaya, after construction, was rebuilt several times on the personal instructions of the "owner".
            Quote: BAI
            And were the mansions larger than the imperial palaces or the current dachas of middle-ranking officials and government dachas?

            funny question, the revolution was specially made so that the new masters compete with the tsars? As in kindergarten: "And he is the first!"
      2. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 14
        -2
        Do not make me laugh. Why did he need money?
    2. depressant
      depressant 20 December 2019 12: 57
      +6
      Vitaly Tsimbal, not in a revolutionary way "cleaned up", but because of the urgent need on the eve of the coming war, destroyed future traitors, making many of them a gift for the future. After all, now they are "innocent victims", their portraits on the banners of our national traitors - the liberals. They cleaned a little!
      Now in our time this, of course, is impossible, the era has changed, has become more humane in relation to traitors. In the best case, the traitor will have a short prison term in comfortable conditions with the subsequent departure to a warm country for stolen overwork. So how humane is our era for millions of ordinary people, robbed and faithful at the legislative and political level?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 20 December 2019 13: 29
        +14
        Svetochka Alliluyeva - "the Kremlin princess" herself confessed her hatred for the entire country of the USSR, the Russians and personally for her father, Stalin. Why? So she herself said that precisely because she was not allowed to live like a queen, to boast of her position and to show her wealth and opportunities in every possible way, moreover, her father suppressed her desires and explained to her that she should be modest, to do this or that in the name of the country, as "the whole country looks at it. This is what broke her, once and for all. Therefore, all her letters-memories are permeated with capricious hatred of the failed" princess-queen "towards her father and the whole country and take them for the truth in the first instance is not worth it - there is nothing in them except anger and resentment towards the whole world.
      2. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 13: 37
        +1
        Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Stalin carried out the cleansing precisely "according to the revolutionary" - whoever is not with us is against us. Quickly, without lawyer demagoguery ... It is this approach to getting rid of political opponents, saboteurs and grabbers from the state (criminal offenses) that is called revolutionary repression. It was this approach to the cleansing of the state apparatus and class enemies (political and ideological disagreement) that led to excesses in the purges, or rather to getting rid of those elements that gave rise to - that hinder the construction of socialism in the USSR in the Stalinist sense. We hear Stalin's repressions, but American repressions (not to be confused with the genocide of North American Indians) against the Japanese and against the US Communist Party (witch hunt), African American activists are strenuously hushed up. As well as the repressions that were carried out by the leaders of many countries from which the whole world are invited to take an example from the example of "humanistic democracy" are hushed up. Stalin was right or wrong in carrying out repressions (Political repressions (from Latin repressio - suppression, oppression) - punishment, punitive measures used by state bodies to protect and preserve the existing system)? The answer to this question is obvious - right !!!! If he were wrong, then the masses would simply have replaced him, as they did with Nicholas II. And the state created under the leadership of Stalin (not personally, but under the guidance of) proved its survivability both in terms of military and economic. The trouble is that after Stalin, leaders began to create a state for themselves, which led to the collapse of the USSR.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 20 December 2019 15: 11
          -4
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          against the Japanese and against the US Communist Party (witch-hunt), African-American activists - are being hushed up

          Especially about black activists are very silent.
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          against the japanese

          In 1988, President Reagan apologized and signed the Compensation for Victims Act - each received $ 20. For this purpose, 1 billion 200 million dollars was allocated. In 1992, President Bush Sr. signed an amendment to the law that would provide an additional $ 400 million to compensate people of Japanese descent who were victims of excessive suspicion. In 2001, Congress established a commission to examine the policy of internment and resettlement of other categories of citizens or permanent residents of the United States.

          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          against the US Communist Party (witch hunt),

          Senator McCarthy is an example of the fact that an alcoholic can overwhelm any business. Well, of course, under such a president as Eisenhower, executions should not be carried out properly.
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          If he were wrong, then the masses would simply have replaced him, as they did with Nicholas II.

          Firstly, the slaves to the king can have only one complaint: The king is fake. It was this one claim that was rolled out to Godunov, and Nikolai, and Gorbachev, and to late Yeltsin. Stalin was a real king, for this he is loved by the Russian people until now. Secondly, there is an opinion that the people, in the person of Comrade Beria, managed to remove him, however, Comrade Beria did not bring this happiness.
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          proved its survivability both in military and economic terms

          Wow, there is something for liberals to think about.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 17: 06
            +4
            Persons of Japanese descent who are victims of excessive suspicion.

            So I ask myself the question: What would be the reaction in the world if, President Putin, asked for forgiveness in front of persons who became victims of excessive suspicion (namely, victims of SUSPICTION, and would modestly "keep silent" about Stalin) !!!! Sorry, but it must be understood this way, in the USSR - repression, and in the USA the same act of power - excessive suspicion!!!!! Stalin is a dictator and tyrant, and Roosevelt is a patriot of his country, but overly suspicious stop
            1. Fraracol_2
              Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 18
              -3
              And that the Japanese in the United States were shot without trial?
              1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 18: 46
                +3
                So in the USA there are still blacks suspicious cops shot without trial !!!!
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 20 December 2019 21: 44
                  0
                  1. Cops are the shame of America.
                  2. They are planted relatively regularly for this.
                  3. And there are countries where it is somehow easier to be black on the contrary from the point of view of the police, no? If, say, the 95th region?
                  1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 21: 47
                    +3
                    And you come to us in the North Caucasus, then there will be something to compare ....
            2. Octopus
              Octopus 20 December 2019 18: 34
              +1
              Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
              Stalin is a dictator and tyrant, and Roosevelt is a patriot of his country, but overly suspicious

              Roosevelt - tyrant, usurper, traitor (as much as possible in the United States). It was discussed in Congress all his presidency (such a tyranny in America, with Congress) and the presidency of Truman (by the way, one of the episodes of treason is a secret conspiracy against the United States in Yalta). Now, unfortunately, they are more fond of remembering slave owners, but about Roosevelt somehow do not exacerbate, here you are right.

              But Roosevelt was never seen in the desire to massively and senselessly destroy the Americans. Only mothers of post-Soviet historians (not even Soviet ones), the Roosevelt famine, found this behind him.
              Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
              I asked for forgiveness in front of persons who became victims of excessive suspicion (namely, victims of SUSPICTION, and I would modestly "keep silent" about Stalin) !!!!

              Would you write out money? Here, you see, a little problem. While in the United States there is a relatively small and clearly defined category of internment victims, in the former USSR it is not possible to single out this category in order to give them the money of Russian pensioners. Because there are a lot of all, all - few, all for all - not enough.
              1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 18: 56
                +3
                But with your statement that
                While in the United States there is a relatively small and clearly defined category of internment victims, in the former USSR it is not possible to single out this category in order to give them the money of Russian pensioners. Because there are a lot of everyone, everything is small, everything for everyone is not enough.
                - let me disagree. In the Russian Federation there are laws according to which payments and other benefits are determined for the victims of Stalin's excessive suspicion, and how many court decisions were made to compensate for "losses from compensation" ... I had to work with this category of people on the line of social protection in 96, they had benefits more than the Afghans ... and by law they were entitled to monthly payments. The only thing I can say is that not everyone I met were "white and fluffy" and innocent victims.
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 20 December 2019 21: 46
                  0
                  So tell me, if it’s easy, how the victims of those years were welded on their posthumous rehabilitation.
                  1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 21: 54
                    +1
                    It’s better to tell how the victims of excessive suspicion in the USA have been welded up on a posthumous apology? Yes, and the Communists and advocates for the rights of African Americans in the United States rehabilitated? Tell me !!!!
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 21 December 2019 00: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      victims of excessive suspicion in the USA on a posthumous apology?

                      First, no one knows about any excessive mortality among internees. Secondly, the American authorities remembered them late, but not on the 75th anniversary of the Victory, after all, whom they found alive were paid off. Thirdly, I already wrote, yes, this is a crime of the American state against its people, no one has argued with this for a long time. I will tell you more, far from the greatest crime of the American state in front of its people. No, the state and the people are not the same thing, even in America.
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      black rights activists

                      Martin Luther King Day is a national holiday, one of quite a few in the USA. For less well-known personalities, you need to look if their cases were submitted for review and there was no criminal offense - they were reviewed. For each individual, I am not ready to explain to you.
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      Yes, and the Communists

                      You see. I am more radical with the Communists in general and the American Communists in particular than Edgar Hoover. So, I will not advise you on their rehabilitation.
                      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                        Vitaly Tsymbal 21 December 2019 05: 54
                        +1
                        I have the impression that you are an American .... You know about the USA (although also superficially, but more than me), but you don’t know the elementary about the USSR and the Russian Federation.
                        First, no one knows about any excessive mortality among internees.

                        The figures are in the public domain, but they are not remembered, or rather not used in political struggle and propaganda, as in Russia. And Americans are not only an "overly suspicious" nation, but also an "overly forgetful" - when necessary recourse
                        Secondly, the American authorities remembered them late, but not on the 75th anniversary of the Victory, after all, whom they found alive were paid off.

                        The rehabilitation of victims of political repression in the USSR was remembered even when the purges were going on, and after 1953 the rehabilitation was massive, those who were not rehabilitated in the 50s, were "rehabilitated" in the 60s under Khrushchev. In 1991, a law was adopted, in which there are sections on compensation. After the return of Crimea, the Crimean Tatars were also legally rehabilitated. By the way, the law specifies the period of repression from 1917 to 1991 (!!!!), which shows its politicized one-sidedness. So your statement that the repressions were remembered only for the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory is the greatest delusion.
                      2. Octopus
                        Octopus 21 December 2019 10: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        The numbers are in the public domain, but they don’t remember

                        Seriously? Well, enlighten me, maybe I really don’t know what about the Roosevelt executioners.
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        A law has been adopted, which has sections on compensation

                        1761-1 from 18.10.91/XNUMX/XNUMX. Notice the liberals accepted.
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        sections and about compensation

                        first priority housing for rehabilitated persons and members
                        us their families in need of better housing;
                        - c) free provision of a ZAZ 968M class car with
                        chiy medical indications on a motor-carriage, in the absence of a contraindication -
                        driving a car;
                        - d) free travel by all types of city passenger
                        public transport / except taxi / within the administrative district of
                        living;
                        - e) free commuter rail transportation
                        first bus and commuter buses;
                        - e) free travel / round trip / once a year railway
                        by transport / within Russia /;
                        - g) decrease (for rehabilitated persons and together with them
                        living members of their families) the size of payment of living space and
                        50 percent of utilities within the limits stipulated by
                        legislation
                        - for burial at the expense of the state in case of death;

                        Ugums. Hammer in Google Case No. 47-G05-22, read the definition of aircraft. Note that this is not the terrible 90s, but the blessed 00s. 200 pe in the teeth and went out.

                        But partly you are right, I got a little carried away. The liberals did indeed slightly feed the victims of repression.
              2. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 20 December 2019 18: 59
                +1
                Sorry, but instead of - and how many court decisions on compensation for "losses from compensation" should be read - .... losses from repression.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 December 2019 14: 34
        -6
        Quote: depressant
        destroyed future traitors

        Oh my god! belay request request

        no words ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 December 2019 21: 04
          0
          This is such a thing when the punishment goes before the crime - in this way you can bring anyone you meet under any article.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 24 December 2019 10: 28
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            This is such a thing when the punishment goes before the crime - in this way you can bring anyone you meet under any article.

            Including the commentator himself.
            But it doesn’t come ....
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 December 2019 16: 11
              -1
              Yes, and these guys will not get fans of Stalin - most of whom did not live with him for a year, insanity begins to progress. Some begin to prove that there was no famine, the second that only traitors were subjected to repressions, the third that dispossessed only bad kulaks, the fourth that the Finns started the Finnish War, fifth that Stalin did not take land from the peasants, on the contrary, he united the peasants on land in state and collective farms - probably because individually, the peasants themselves could not do a damn thing about the CX, so he decided to help them for the good of the bright Bolshevik socialist future - although then in 1928 the peasants, farm laborers, middle peasants and kulaks could not even imagine what a bright future awaits them and their children - dispossession , resettlement, famine, repression and war, only collective farms lost more than 90000, 70000 villages, villages and farms, but the sixth continue to prove that Stalin pursued a cunning policy towards Hitler before the start of the war, and the fact that we were suddenly attacked is not to blame , it is his generals who are to blame, and in general all of the above is all "bad boyars" arranged - and Stalin did not keep track of who he was with That is, for that industrialization, industrialization ooooo - 34% of which was pissed away during the war, but this is all garbage, internal manpower, as well as its obedience, resources and means, the same manpower, it was enough to rebuild everything.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 25 December 2019 09: 54
                -3
                Quote: Vadim237
                Yes, and these guys will not get fans of Stalin - most of whom did not live with him for a year, insanity begins to progress. Some begin to prove that there was no famine, the second that only traitors were subjected to repressions, the third that dispossessed only bad kulaks, the fourth that the Finns started the Finnish War, fifth that Stalin did not take land from the peasants, on the contrary, he united the peasants on land in state and collective farms - probably because individually, the peasants themselves could not do a damn thing about the CX, so he decided to help them for the good of the bright Bolshevik socialist future - although then in 1928 the peasants, farm laborers, middle peasants and kulaks could not even imagine what a bright future awaits them and their children - dispossession , resettlement, famine, repression and war, only collective farms lost more than 90000, 70000 villages, villages and farms, but the sixth continue to prove that Stalin pursued a cunning policy towards Hitler before the start of the war, and the fact that we were suddenly attacked is not to blame , it is his generals who are to blame, and in general all of the above is all "bad boyars" arranged - and Stalin did not keep track of who he was with That is, for that industrialization, industrialization ooooo - 34% of which was pissed away during the war, but this is all garbage, internal manpower, as well as its obedience, resources and means, the same manpower, it was enough to rebuild everything.

                I agree with everything.

                Let me remind you that the Stalin family is one of the MOST victims of ... has become. repressions: ALL brothers, sisters, wives, their wives, husbands, children, matchmakers, daughter-in-law, son-in-arms, saboteurs and terrorists: executed and planted. Cool, normal power. good
      4. Octopus
        Octopus 20 December 2019 15: 44
        -6
        Quote: depressant
        destroyed future traitors

        Quote: depressant
        We’ve cleaned a little!

        I totally agree.

        Personally, I am shocked by such specimens as Lev Landau, Pyotr Kapitsa and several others. Unlike Kurchatov, Korolev and others who had no choice, these had a choice. They themselves came to the USSR to serve Stalin and his empire, they made a choice. They cannot and cannot be forgiven.

        Some Maxim Gorky, with cheerful youth in Russia and confident maturity on Lake Como, or where there, raises far fewer questions.
        1. depressant
          depressant 20 December 2019 16: 42
          +3
          A colleague, an octopus, do not defame my remarks, okay? Do not attribute to me what I did not say.
          Yes, some scientists have suffered. So there was also a pack of envious people, informers, and in the fever of the pre-war time, go and figure out who is who. Four, and according to some reports, five million denunciations! Only those that have survived. Was Stalin supposed to deal with each of them? The Strugatskys have an episode in Lame Destiny in which the main character of the novel comes to an institution and meets there a now feeble, decrepit old man, a "professional" informer named Festering Pimple, who was mortally afraid of the literary community. The character's condition can be characterized as "arms and legs are taken away." These informers and their denunciations are one of the forms of resistance to the idea of ​​socialism, on which thousands of scoundrels were immediately parasitized. There will always be social microbes capable of adapting any brightest idea to satisfy their base needs, from which the bright people have suffered and will continue to suffer. Putin is parasitizing on this! Crush little Stalin in yourself, ”he says, referring to denunciations and repression. And at the same time he hopes that along with the rejection of denunciations and the accompanying repressions, the idea of ​​socialism in the Stalinist format will be buried. Let him not hope!
          And when were Peter Kapitsa and Lev Landau repressed?
          Somehow I came across the magazine "Secrets of the XX century". There was a whole list with the names of scientists who were really repressed on libel, and then returned, headed scientific institutes, design bureaus and made the glory of the Soviet military-industrial complex.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 20 December 2019 22: 41
            -4
            Quote: depressant
            Four, and according to some reports, five million denunciations! Only of those that have survived. Was Stalin supposed to deal with each of them?

            If I remained a liberal, I would write that there was no need to understand not one of them. As for the number of these denunciations, the vast majority of them were received directly by the good investigators of the NKVD during the good Soviet interrogations of the enemies of the people that had already been identified. Dovlatov, like many writers, was sometimes too fond of saying beautifully.

            Landau and Kapitsa were not repressed. Landau was so scared, Kapitza was only banned from leaving. They committed themselves to the principles before the international it is known what nationality, represented by Einstein and others.
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 20 December 2019 19: 32
          +2
          Quote: Octopus
          Personally, I am shocked by such specimens as Lev Landau, Pyotr Kapitsa and several others

          What was Landau sitting for?

          Here is his flyer
          Comrades!
          The great cause of the October Revolution is vilely betrayed. The country is flooded with streams of blood and dirt. Millions of innocent people are thrown into prisons, and no one can know when his turn will come. The economy is falling apart. Hunger is approaching. Can't you see, comrades, that the Stalinist clique accomplished a fascist coup. Socialism remained only on the pages of the finally isolating newspapers. In his frenzied hatred of true socialism, Stalin was compared with Hitler and Mussolini. Destroying the country to preserve its power, Stalin turns it into an easy prey for brutal German fascism. The only way out for the working class and all the working people of our country is a decisive struggle against Stalinist and Hitler fascism, a struggle for socialism.
          Comrades, organize! Do not be afraid of the executioners from the NKVD. They can only beat defenseless prisoners, catch unsuspecting innocent people, plunder national property and invent ridiculous lawsuits about nonexistent conspiracies.
          Comrades, join the Anti-Fascist Workers Party. Get in touch with her Moscow Committee.
          Organize at the enterprises of the ARP group. Set up an underground technique. By agitation and propaganda prepare the mass movement for socialism.
          Stalinist fascism rests only on our disorganization. The proletariat of our country, having thrown off the power of the tsar and the capitalists, will be able to throw off the fascist dictator and his clique, Long live May 1 - the day of the struggle for socialism! Moscow Committee of the Anti-Fascist Workers Party


          See how cleverly substantiated its focus.
          From Landu's interrogation answers:

          "... to speak out from openly counter-revolutionary positions, to stand up directly" for the capitalist system would be stupid and senseless. Such agitation cannot count on even the slightest success in the country "

          "The most advantageous thing is to give the leaflet an outwardly anti-fascist tone, regarding the events taking place in the country - the defeat of the counter-revolutionary underground - as fascist methods of government, as a result of the fascist degeneration of the Soviet top. Hence the slogan of overthrowing the Soviet regime could look like a slogan to save the country from the fascist danger"
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 20 December 2019 23: 04
            -4
            Quote: Alexander Green
            What was Landau sitting for?

            For some reason, you are trying to tell me that Landau had something to take. It’s empty.

            The crime of Landau, Kapitsa and many others is that they were engaged in nuclear physics in the Soviet Union. As I wrote above, Kurchatov had no choice where to engage in nuclear physics, this does not justify him, but mitigates his guilt. And the named ones, all knowing about the Soviet regime, came to the USSR themselves, of their own free will. They made their free choice, they selected serve this one.

            Fortunately, friends of the people from the Ukrainian Cheka defeated this nest, the Kharkov Physics and Technology Institute, alas, not the only, but one of the main centers of theorism in the USSR. They missed Landau, but explained to many, one cannot but admit.

            Unfortunately, this did not help much. Because of Roosevelt’s betrayal, the gagging of his parasites: Hoover, whose Comintern walked along Broadway as Deribasovskaya’s native, and Eisenhower, who kindly allowed the republic of workers and peasants to tidy German achievements together with the workers, as well as the traditional elitism of the international scientific community, a short time still managed to get an atomic bomb.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 21 December 2019 00: 40
              +3
              Quote: Octopus
              For some reason, you are trying to tell me that Landau had something to take.

              And this is not to shake you.
  3. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 December 2019 05: 39
    +14
    The favorite hobby of the fifth column, from the boulder crunches to the liberals of the Westerners, is to take individual flaws of an individual or an era and begin to denigrate everything else and smear it with dirt without going into everything else. And the fact that there are no great things without sacrifices and that they do not always think completely foolish of everything, they once think that the fan is idle. And apart from the understanding of that time, the assessment of personality is wrong in principle.
  4. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 20 December 2019 05: 42
    -20
    I think it is necessary to elevate Stalin into the face of saints, so that people can pray for him and ask.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 20 December 2019 06: 08
      -19
      The liberals are against, they have minded.
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 06: 58
        +14
        Far from the liberals zamususuvali you, but just the opposite! Just your post above, reminiscent of an outright mockery. For this, you and minus, including from me. Joseph Vissarionovich does not need canonization!
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 20 December 2019 08: 13
        -15
        I am generally liberal and I am for it. St. Stalin is what the ROC MP needs. Walk like a walk.
        1. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 20 December 2019 08: 15
          -18
          Well, I’m saying that the icons of Stalin with a halo are what society needs, is simply necessary.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 20 December 2019 08: 44
            -11
            Quote: Pessimist22
            icons of Stalin with a halo is what society needs

            Society is society, but here it is necessary to take into account the traditions of the Holy Mother of our Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. The Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir founded the Russian Orthodox Church rather as a department of state propaganda; sovereigns, Saints and not so adhered to this line. Office of Comrade Suslov. Comrade Stalin re-founded our holy church again as a unit of the NKGB Comrade. Merkulova.

            Of course, as a person who baptized the Soviet atheists who departed from Faith, he deserves remembrance among the apostles. Vsevolod Nikolaevich Merkulov, tormented by the liberals for their loyalty to Stalin and the Faith of Christ in 1953 in the case of Beria, also deserved remembrance if not as a saint, then as a martyr and new martyr.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 20 December 2019 18: 41
              0
              Quote: Octopus
              Fr. Stalin re-founded our holy church again, as a unit of the NKGB Comrade Merkulova.

              Your comment has aroused interest, but in my opinion, you are mistaken.
              The key figure, the executive, in the role of a ram to the Church, was the famous, and as they would put it now, legendary major of state security E. Tuchkov, who is also the red pope, he is the chief commander, he is the red igumen, and he is the leader a religious scholar in the line of state security, he is also the executive secretary of the Central Committee of the atheists, and the like. The person is mysterious and mysterious.
              What relation does Comrade Merkulov — Comrade Beria’s best friend, mentioned by you — have to do with all church affairs?
              Redefine .....our holy church, Stalin did not have the opportunity, it was not in his power.
              Well, and how the legendary, as it is now customary to say, Major E. Tuchkov ended his life — writhed from cancer (died) in the hospital, asked for confession to invite Patriarch Alexy I
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 20 December 2019 22: 28
                +1
                Quote: bober1982
                What does Comrade Merkulov have to do with

                As far as I know, the preaching of the Word of God took place through the department of Comrade Merkulov. I can be mistaken, I am superficially familiar with the topic.

                As for Comrade Tuchkov, I do not know who he is, but in any case "for". The more holy Chekists, the better. More honest.

                I am always for honesty.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 34
            -12
            Quote: Pessimist22
            Well, I’m saying that the icons of Stalin with a halo are what society needs, is simply necessary.

            It is strange that there is no Stalinist sect in Russia where Stalin has their supreme deity, something like Perun.
            1. Pessimist22
              Pessimist22 20 December 2019 11: 58
              -8
              Yes, these fans will soon die out like mammoths.
            2. Laurus
              Laurus 20 December 2019 12: 31
              +8
              But there is a sect of Tsarebozhnikov.
              Gee, there’s something about the boulder crunches in Scripture, there is something about a log in one’s own eye and a speck in someone else’s.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 20 December 2019 13: 19
                -2
                Quote: Laurel
                But there is a sect Tsarebozhnikov

                Yes, there is, by the way, Poklonskaya was in this sect, there are a lot of not smart people on different sides.
                1. Laurus
                  Laurus 20 December 2019 13: 36
                  +4
                  Why are you disowning her? You are her honorary member and plenipotentiary on the pages of this forum. Ay-yy-yay, how ugly it is!
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 20 December 2019 15: 43
                    -6
                    Quote: Laurel
                    Why are you disowning her? You are her honorary member and plenipotentiary on the pages of this forum. Ay-yy-yay, how ugly it is!

                    From whom ? From Poklonskaya? Why are you attributing it to me as friends? I don’t make friends with her, but I agree with her in something, in what I don’t. A beautiful, courageous girl, but about her religiosity, namely, membership in the community of royal people is confusing and alarming
            3. Fraracol_2
              Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 21
              -1
              You think not?
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 20 December 2019 06: 16
      +7
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think it is necessary to elevate Stalin into the face of saints, so that people can pray for him and ask.
      rather, the gundyaev canonizes his sidekick.
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 20 December 2019 09: 26
      +11
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think it is necessary to elevate Stalin into the face of saints, so that people can pray for him and ask.

      Comrade Stalin would categorically disapprove of your proposal. He was against renaming Tsaritsyn to Stalingrad, and here you are about the canonization
    4. naidas
      naidas 20 December 2019 17: 59
      -2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think it is necessary to elevate Stalin into the face of saints, so that people can pray for him and ask.

      He doesn’t pull, he had few girls, until St. Vladimir he pulls.
  5. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 December 2019 05: 57
    +13
    Great person. Great things.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 20 December 2019 06: 01
      +7
      Yes, he was an ordinary person. With its advantages and disadvantages. Just honest and principled ..
  6. Olegater
    Olegater 20 December 2019 06: 14
    +21
    Good morning, dear forum users !!!!!!

    Dwight just congratulate the GREAT MAN on his birthday !!!! We will not denigrate him.
    I.V STALIN came and just saved us in the most terrible and tragic period of history.

    Happy birthday to many respected I.V. STALIN. !!!!!!!!!!
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 20 December 2019 06: 31
      +9
      Maybe REMEMBER GREAT MAN in connection with his birthday?
    2. AV
      AV 20 December 2019 08: 43
      -18
      This Dzhugashvili is the worst evil that could ever be. There are simply no words from everything that you write here. This article is just nonsense. Every word is a lie !!! Everyone! This is just phenomenal! He is worthy only of contempt, condemnation and oblivion!
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 20 December 2019 09: 20
        +7
        AV (Alexander)
        This Dzhugashvili is the worst evil that could ever be.
        Ohhh, one-day trolls crawled out of their crevices. Where are you stamped in such quantities, in Ukraine?
        He is worthy only of contempt, condemnation and oblivion!

        Stalin - Russian patriot - Russian patriots say
        Stalin - Russian nationalist - Russian nationalists say
        Stalin - a communist - say the communists
        Stalin - scum and - scum and scum say.

        You can’t say better!
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 35
        -8
        full wandered and the mistake that you do live with your brains
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2019 21: 10
        -1
        Yes, they are both good that Stalin with international socialism, that Hitler with national socialism - in the end, the bolivar could not stand the two mastodons of socialism.
  7. fraders
    fraders 20 December 2019 06: 14
    +26
    the ruler must be judged by what he did for the country, Nikolai2 lost the empire, didn’t even save his family, and they sing praises to him, they reckon with the saints, the sufferer, and Stalin raised the country, the tyrant won the war
    1. novel66
      novel66 20 December 2019 07: 33
      +3
      well, if we recall Lenin's - "The state is a machine for oppressing one class by another, a machine for keeping other subordinate classes in obedience to one class" then the ruler must be a tyrant, and the complacent only spoil everything
      1. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 51
        -5
        Delirium of one tyrant justify another?
        1. novel66
          novel66 20 December 2019 22: 30
          +4
          nonsense - your comment
  8. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 20 December 2019 06: 32
    +17
    It is enough for me to know that without nuclear weapons created under Stalin and by his will, present-day Russia, whatever it was, would not be just physically.
  9. Slavutich
    Slavutich 20 December 2019 06: 34
    +7
    It seems to have been about the Wind of History?
  10. Van 16
    Van 16 20 December 2019 06: 43
    +16
    Judging by the cases, he is a great statesman who has done a lot for the country and people, judging by the personal recollections of parents, grandfathers and grandmothers (ordinary workers, collective farmers, engineers) - the same thing.
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 53
      -4
      It's a pity less than other memories, because these people, as a rule, did not survive.
  11. Amateur
    Amateur 20 December 2019 07: 19
    +11
    Under J.V. Stalin, the USSR received 3 (three) votes in the UN, incl. 1 vote of a permanent member of the Security Council with the right of veto. And now all sorts of "Tabaks" throw mud at Russia at the UN.
  12. Million
    Million 20 December 2019 07: 39
    +11
    Thank you for the article!
    As a child, I often saw photos of Stalin in houses, in transport ....
    Today, a photo of Yeltsin / Putin, no one!
    1. AV
      AV 20 December 2019 08: 46
      -20
      Mass psychosis is called! Build him another pyramid for the full picture. Cheops and Dzhugashvili. And he certainly would have the largest pyramid in the world.
      1. Million
        Million 20 December 2019 08: 54
        +10
        Psychosis is in your head. Read what Stalin did for the country and what Putin did. And draw conclusions, if you can
        1. Umalta
          Umalta 20 December 2019 14: 07
          +9
          Million
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          Million
          Today, 08: 54
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          +9
          Psychosis is in your head. Read what Stalin did for the country and what Putin did. And draw conclusions, if you can
          To answer, the conclusion is primitive for them to eat, eat and eat, grab, grab and grab, and let them all die, and don’t forget to mimic hiding behind the flags of the Russian Federation, which probably has nothing to do with it.
        2. Fraracol_2
          Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 18: 54
          -6
          What does Putin have to do with it? Is it really a matter of comparing them?
          1. Chervonny
            Chervonny 25 November 2020 23: 13
            +23
            Why not compare the rule of Stalin and Putin? And this comparison is 100% in favor of Stalin.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 46
        -15
        Quote: AV
        Cheops and Dzhugashvili. And he certainly would have the largest pyramid in the world.

        I wanted to erect the "pyramid" of the Palace of Soviets on the site of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, thank God it didn’t fuse, but as according to the canons, one religion is replaced by another and a new one is being erected on the site of the old temple.
        1. Fat
          Fat 20 December 2019 20: 22
          +4
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: AV
          Cheops and Dzhugashvili. And he certainly would have the largest pyramid in the world.

          I wanted to erect the "pyramid" of the Palace of Soviets on the site of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, thank God it didn’t fuse, but as according to the canons, one religion is replaced by another and a new one is being erected on the site of the old temple.

          Well .. Stalin knew perfectly well how the Montagnards and Robespierre ended up with their cult of the "Supreme Being" ... Robespierre ended his career on the guillotine, however. Stalin would never have done such a thing.
          The cult of Stalin was organized by a cowardly environment, and death in solitude was promoted by the head of the MGB, coward Ignatiev
      3. naidas
        naidas 20 December 2019 18: 04
        +4
        Quote: AV
        Mass psychosis is called!

        This is called patriotism and pride in the country. Independence was defended and the whole Europe was panned.
        It’s not for you in PACE to remain silent about Russian money for years.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 47
      -15
      Quote: Million
      Thank you for the article!
      As a child, I often saw photos of Stalin in houses, in transport ....
      Today, a photo of Yeltsin / Putin, no one!

      Classic neopaganism
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 36
        +4
        And you, RUS, in what or in whom do you believe in? Have you done something worthwhile, real?
      2. naidas
        naidas 20 December 2019 18: 06
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        Classic neopaganism

        And in the United States, the worship of the flag and the first presidents is called patriotism.
  13. 9PA
    9PA 20 December 2019 08: 05
    -3
    Somewhere out there in heaven, the Russian God hears Stalin more and more on you ..., ehh ... under Stalin. Under Stalin, I would have long been the foreman of the logging team, I would conquer nature for the sake of Man
    1. naidas
      naidas 20 December 2019 18: 07
      +2
      Quote: 9PA
      Under Stalin, I would have long been the foreman of the logging team,

      Well, do not be a careerist (or you asked the result under Stalin) and do not steal, respect the flag and the leader of the country.
  14. Octopus
    Octopus 20 December 2019 08: 22
    -11
    Therefore, all kinds of enemies of Russia, internal and external, so hate Stalin (as Ivan the Terrible). He showed an effective example of the struggle against the anti-Russian parasitic minority oriented toward the West.


    I absolutely agree with the author.

    For many years I personally was a liberal and a parasitic minority oriented toward the West, and I very much hated Stalin and Ivan the Terrible (and not only them) for all that they did for the Russian people. However, now I am ready to make an exception for my Russian people from my liberalism. Stalin and Grozny is exactly what the Russian people deserved before God and people.

    What he deserves now. Chulpan Khamatova law.
    1. AV
      AV 20 December 2019 08: 50
      -20
      It is absolutely phenomenal that such crazy articles are being written in 2019. Who is this "journalist"? And these comments. Is there anyone interested in history?
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 20 December 2019 08: 53
        -10
        Mr. Samsonov writes his own version of Russian / Soviet history, he has only such articles and has already been around for ten years. His view, like Fomenko / Nosovsky. The comments are mostly longtime fans of the Master.
    2. Wildcat
      Wildcat 20 December 2019 11: 02
      -11
      From the point of view of necrostalists and beryaphiles, repentance and proposals for the canonization of Stalin is good, but not enough.
      Who will lay out the icon with Stalin and his relatives, me, or what?
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 20 December 2019 11: 18
        -12
        Stalinists, how are you feeling?
        You are posting with an icon with Stalin (there is Beria on the left) minus that you have a dream at night!
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 21 December 2019 10: 36
          +7
          Quote: Wildcat
          Stalinists, how are you feeling?

          Yes, it seems nobody is complaining about their health, but on the contrary, we are glad that the leader of the peoples opens the monuments:
          In Volgograd, opened a monument to Stalin
          A bust of Joseph Stalin was unveiled at the building of the Volgograd regional committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on Friday, timed to coincide with the 140th anniversary of the "leader of the peoples." As MK Volgograd writes, the concrete monument was made about 70 years ago and was in a deplorable state for a long time, but was later restored.
          As reported by "Volgograd Online", the monument was placed against the background of the Victory Banner on the wall of the house, "to emphasize the role of the Generalissimo in the defeat of Nazi Germany."
          It is reported that opponents of the installation of the two-meter monument staged a picket during the opening ceremony.

          https://www.mk.ru/social/2019/12/20/v-volgograde-otkryli-pamyatnik-stalinu.html
          1. Wildcat
            Wildcat 21 December 2019 23: 50
            -1
            ".... the concrete monument was made about 70 years ago and was in a deplorable state for a long time, but was later restored.
            As reported by "Volgograd Online", the monument was placed against the background of the Victory Banner on the wall of the house, "to emphasize the role of the Generalissimo in the defeat of Nazi Germany."
            It is reported that opponents of the installation of the two-meter monument staged a picket during the opening ceremony. "
            Why picket in Volgograd? Have you seen the photo of the monument? Incorrectly put it to the wall, albeit a monument! That's how it was, like near Moscow. Found on the Internet: I think we need to please the necrostalists, - good dreams to you, let the monument be a dream! And help you from varicose veins (well, it says so wink )!



            1. ccsr
              ccsr 22 December 2019 12: 58
              +2
              Quote: Wildcat
              Found on the Internet: I think we need to please the necrostalists, - good dreams to you,

              Don't worry too much in your searches - the people made their choice long ago when they voted in the poll "The Name of Russia", and there Stalin is in third place, although in reality he took first.
              1. Wildcat
                Wildcat 22 December 2019 15: 08
                +1
                "the people made their choice long ago when they voted in the poll" Name of Russia " lol
                Yes, I'm worried, I just tried to understand what the Name of Russia is and how it differs from Miss Russia.
                In total, there are 298 on the Internet (somewhere 0,2% from the population of Russia) votes for Stalin (?) and either 3rd or 7th place, but this is 2 orders of magnitude more than for Miss Russia 2019 - Alina Sanko - 2977. The conclusion is disappointing. On the other hand, according to statistics, even such as "Andrey VOV (Andrey)" 2-4,1%, that is, even people like him, not all vote for Stalin, many abstain or against. request
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 22 December 2019 15: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  Yes, I'm worried, I just tried to understand what the Name of Russia is and how it differs from Miss Russia.

                  Well, at least the fact that in the "Name of Russia" competition it is not the physical parameters of the applicants that are evaluated - this is obvious.
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  The conclusion is disappointing.

                  The conclusion for the anti-Stalinists is really disappointing - they have been stalin for decades, and he is still remembered as the best ruler of the country. There is something that people like you are upset ....
                  1. Wildcat
                    Wildcat 22 December 2019 17: 45
                    0
                    hi
                    "Well, at least the fact that in the" Name of Russia "competition it is not the physical parameters of the applicants that are evaluated - this is obvious." - how could you know what they were doing there ?!
                    "The conclusion for the anti-Stalinists is really disappointing - Stalin was fouled for decades, and he is still in people's memory as the best ruler of the country. There is something for people like you to be upset about ...." - let's make such a statement on behalf of 0,2%, the rest this whole topic, which of the dead is "rosy and whiter" is simply not interesting.
                    I will try to explain as simple as possible what 0,2% is.
                    "Subject to GOST and proper storage, the alcohol content in three-day kefir does not exceed 0,6%, two-day - 0,4%, one-day - 0,2%. Only the last two species are used in baby food."https://alcofan.com/soderzhanie-alkogolya-v-kefire.html
                    The conclusion "Stalin is in people's memory as the best ruler of the country" is similar to the conclusion "children's kefir is an alcoholic drink."
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 22 December 2019 18: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: Wildcat
                      The conclusion "Stalin is in people's memory as the best ruler of the country" is similar to the conclusion "children's kefir is an alcoholic drink."

                      He gives your conclusion to sour dairy products, or rather rotten meat, and has nothing to do with the genuine attitude of people to our history and the leaders of the past, where Stalin has forever taken a worthy place.
                      1. Wildcat
                        Wildcat 22 December 2019 19: 02
                        +1
                        The third time, with reference to your data on the Name of Russia (whatever this event would mean): your opinion is shared by 0,2% from the population of the Russian Federation. Not even everyone like "Andrey VOV (Andrey)" statistically loves Stalin, only 1 out of 10 (love for the dead is still a strange and uncommon thing), somewhere like that.
                        A worthy place, you can’t say better - 0,2%.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 22 December 2019 19: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        The third time, with reference to your data on the Name of Russia (whatever this event would mean): about 0,2% share your opinion

                        It’s you who installed the monument to the leader of the peoples in Volgograd. By the way, you can see where else there are monuments to the leader:
                        https://chapaev69.livejournal.com/38707.html
                      3. Wildcat
                        Wildcat 22 December 2019 19: 26
                        +1
                        "You are the one who opened the monument to the leader of the peoples in Volgograd." - what are you so? There is a 7 elderly person in the photo, tell them about 0,2%? Let people live in peace.
                        http://rodgor-vlg.ru/-prostoit-on-nedolgo-v-volgograde-ustanovili-byust-stalinu-foto.html
                        Yes, and you never know the strange monuments, cheese Friendship funnier, for example.
                        https://moiarussia.ru/samye-neobychnye-pamyatniki-rossii-ch-1/
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 December 2019 14: 40
      +3
      Quote: Octopus
      and very much He hated Stalin and Ivan the Terrible (and not only them) for all that they did for the Russian people. However now I'm ready make an exception for the Russian people

      Who are you and your minds interested in? request
  15. Hagakure
    Hagakure 20 December 2019 08: 47
    +6
    Just today I took from the library the book "Long-Range Bomber" A. Golovanov, Air Marshal ... according to N. Starikov - the best book about Stalin .... in general - I recommend.
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    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 38
      -5
      I would love to work with you on a collective farm, work with my hands, and then against the wall ... a little cotton and your brains out ...
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 20 December 2019 12: 44
        -3
        No, help yourself somehow .... sorry for you necrostalists, even on Friday you dream about murders ..... otherwise you can’t do it, your personal life doesn’t move .... Here you need a specialist, a conversation on the forum will not help .. .
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 20 December 2019 12: 50
        -5
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        little cotton and your brains out ...

        This is your whole essence, I am truly sorry for you
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 57
          -2
          take pity on yourself better ... but I don’t need it, the enemy needs to be destroyed, they taught me that way, and I destroyed, you are the enemy, you need to be destroyed, everything is simple
          1. Fraracol_2
            Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 19: 00
            0
            What is in your head? Do you seem to have a sick mind?
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 19: 37
              0
              This is for you, a freshly registered pan instead of a head, get out of here a scarecrow
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        3. Wildcat
          Wildcat 22 December 2019 21: 53
          +1
          Bravo!
          My comments appear to be "Trolling, provocation, Insults, rudeness" and must be deleted.
          The norm is:
          "Andrey VOV (Andrey) December 20, 2019 12:38 PM
          -4
          I would love to go to the collective farm, work with my hands, and then against the wall ... a little cotton and your brains out ... "
          Dear Soforumites, I cannot fall so low, I have to not write here anymore.
          I will continue to enjoy reading articles and comments by interesting authors.
          crying

          Yours faithfully,
          Wildket
          hi
    2. naidas
      naidas 20 December 2019 18: 11
      +4
      Quote: Wildcat
      It seemed to me that the topic of love for Stalin is moving somewhere once a month

      To each his own, to whom the Stalinist order is to pull a poor country into a Great Country, and to whom to steal something (it doesn’t matter) and grumble in solitude.
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 20 December 2019 23: 29
        +1
        You see, you think that Stalin dragged the impoverished country into the Great Country. Think about how the country became destitute and how the rest of the countries "started with a plow and ended with an atomic bomb" without putting millions of their own in the ground. It's scary, but since 17 of the last century, our country has been engaged in self-destruction more than other countries. We are the ones that survived, my family - by accident, in fact.
        hi
        1. naidas
          naidas 22 December 2019 15: 04
          +1
          Quote: Wildcat
          Think about how the country became destitute and how the rest of the countries "started with the plow and ended with the atomic bomb"

          Let’s give examples, and millions have put them in the USA, they have still banned the topic (the Red Decade). They invested in Europe in exchange for sovereignty. In the USSR, no one really invested in Europe. The USA invested in Japan, robbing the world, to China too.
          1. Wildcat
            Wildcat 22 December 2019 15: 15
            +1
            Is it possible immediately the data and the link to the source?
            "millions were put in the USA"
            "They invested in Europe in exchange for sovereignty."
            "The United States invested in Japan after plundering the world, in China too."
            1. naidas
              naidas 23 December 2019 16: 55
              0
              As I understand it, they could not confirm how the rest of the countries "started with a plow and ended up with an atomic bomb", since you are answering a question with a question.
              Quote: Wildcat
              "millions were put in the USA"

              an article on VO dated 28.12., plus a photo by Jack Griffin, documentary films by Dreiser, Anderson, Frank, Caldwell.
              Quote: Wildcat
              They invested in Europe in exchange for sovereignty. "
              read Marshall’s plan.
              Quote: Wildcat
              The United States invested in Japan, robbing the world, in China, too.

              In April 1951, Prime Minister Yoshida said that "Japanese-American economic cooperation should proceed on the basis of the inclusion of the Japanese economy in the American as an integral part of it." As examples: General Electric, 45% of Mitsui zaibatsu, and " Standard Oil, more than half of Mitsubishi’s shares. A 35% stake in Sumitomo is in the hands of the American International Telephone and Telegraph Company, etc.

              About China, see the news about Trump, his desire to return technology to the United States.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 December 2019 21: 27
          -2
          Well, he really pulled a poor country into a Great Country - though when he pulled a long road out of corpses, he paved the inhabitants of this very country in order to pull it out.
  18. Bar2
    Bar2 20 December 2019 09: 24
    +4
    Stalin must be honest.
    Over the course of my 56-year-old life, the attitude towards Stalin changed several times, at first, like everyone else, it was hostile to the tyrant and murderer, and to the cult of personality. By the beginning of the XNUMXs, the writer Yuri Mukhin alone, no one supported him, not even the communists expressed in a completely different vein. Stalin is the great builder of the USSR and the winner in the world war, and, and the "cult of personality" is an information war organized by Khrushchev. It was a shock for all those who were not indifferent to our history. Later, he also Yuri Ignatievich Mukhin expressed the idea that Stalin fought all his life with the Trotskyists, and beyond the Urals, where the central government generally had little real power, so excesses on the ground took place.
    Now there is, as it were, a third wave of facts about Comrade. Stalin. The main activity of Stalin is the construction of a new country, a country of "friendship of peoples, brotherhood, unity." But the creation of new peoples was at the expense of the Russian people, at the expense of the Cossacks, whom the communists raided wherever possible. The creation of Ukraine in the form in which we see it now is the full merit of Comrade Stalin, recall Stalin's speech at the 10th Congress of the RKPB in 21years.

    Stalin Speech at the 10th Congress of the RCP (B) in 1921
    .
    And recently it was also said that the Ukrainian republic and the Ukrainian nation are an invention of the Germans. Meanwhile, it is clear that the Ukrainian nation exists, and the development of its culture is the responsibility of the Communists. You can’t go against history. It is clear that while Russian elements still prevail in Ukrainian cities, these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized over time. About forty years ago, Riga was a German city, but since cities grow at the expense of villages, and the village is the guardian of nationality, now Riga is a purely Latvian city. About fifty years ago, all the cities of Hungary had a German character, now they are Magyarized. The same will happen with Belarus, in the cities of which non-Belorussians still prevail.


    And this very moment is very weakly voiced in relation to Stalin. The creation of the Caucasian republics of Cherkessia, Chechnya, Ingushia, etc. was the same at the expense of the Russian people and on the Russian lands. The very memory of the Cossacks and the contribution of the Cossacks and the history of Russia / Russia was destroyed precisely under the Bolsheviks. Putin, once admitted that the first government of the country of the Soviets was 90% Jews, what kind of "brotherhood" is this? That is, all these Bolshevik slogans are only a declaration that has nothing to do with reality. The creation of "fraternal" republics led to the complete disintegration of the country of Great Russia, its iconic lands were torn off from Russia and Russophobic governments were created on these lands. According to history, we can say that We saw exactly the same story in relation to Poland, the Poles / Glades spoke Russian as early as the 19th century, and now it is the most irreconcilable Russophobic country in the world. The same thing is happening now with Ukraine. Whatever one may say, this is precisely the policy of Stalin, the father of nations.
    One can recall other moments of the destruction of Russian culture under the Bolsheviks. The solar symbol of Kolovrat, which the Nazis reproached, was a symbol of the Russian people and was even used on official symbols during the time of the Republic of Ingushetia and in folk art, in some incomprehensible way this symbol passed to the Nazis and suddenly a stigma of hatred among all peoples. It’s just some sort of a planned policy against Russian culture. You can also recall the shirt of a shirt, worn by All Russia under the tsar, but which was simply forbidden under the Bolsheviks.
    The Russian people gave a huge number of inventions and discoveries in science and technology of those times, but if under the tsar it was a policy to restrain the development of Russia, then under the Bolsheviks the best people of Russia (Zvorykin, Sikorsky, Yurkevich and many others were simply not given to them in those days work, or even just live in the USSR)
    So questions remain for Comrade Stalin and for his time.
    1. Laurus
      Laurus 20 December 2019 13: 39
      0
      Another sufferer from oppression by the cursed Muscovites ... sorry, the Bolsheviks. Embroidered shirt ... sorry, he was forbidden to wear a blouse. Indeed, the younger the sufferer, the more Stalin offended him ...
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 20 December 2019 20: 18
      0
      Quote: Bar2
      Here it’s simple, some kind of planned policy against Russian culture. One can also recall the shirt of a shirt, worn by All Russia under the tsar, but which was simply forbidden under the Bolsheviks.

      What nonsense, for the first time I hear this. My father in the 20-30-40s and I with him in the 50s wore a blouse.
  19. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 December 2019 10: 01
    +8
    It's all so simple. Under Stalin there was a state and this state is for the people.
    Now for the big ones, for the liberals. The authorities support films where Russians are made fools.
    Yes, now it is not necessary to put someone in jail, you can simply leave without work. The current laws are more currents than Stalin's, "repression".
    And yes now a moderator has appeared on VO, the same as the sled of novels. He is amused by the power over people in May; he can punish and repress anyone who he doesn’t like. Only this moderator is a supporter of whites. And that means statements that insult fans of Stalin will not be deleted.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 December 2019 11: 25
      -9
      Quote: Gardamir
      It's all so simple. Under Stalin there was a state and this state for the people.

      Fishing tax, dog tax, bicycle tax. on the chickens. natural tax, cash tax. for small families, for childlessness. self-taxation and 20% of the annual salary for "good" government loans, etc.

      Plenum of the Central Committee, 1953: "! After paying taxes in kind and in cash from the cow, the peasant remains...manure." yes
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 39
        +3
        But how else was the country to be lifted after the war and industrialized? Suggest a different way
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 20 December 2019 12: 51
          -9
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          But how else was the country to be lifted after the war and industrialized? Suggest a different way

          Make slaves from Africa
          1. Umalta
            Umalta 20 December 2019 13: 50
            +2
            Probably you should not hide behind the flag of Russia, you are probably from the generation of parasites in our country, to whom I relate the vast majority of our richest people who did nothing for her, and they simply lost their fortune in the days of Gaidar (they are clearly not an industrialist Ford). Naturally, you are smaller and insignificant in comparison with them, probably on the content or on the thoughtlessness and concussion of the liberal propaganda print it.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 20 December 2019 15: 45
              -5
              Quote: Umalta
              Probably you should not hide behind the flag of Russia, you are probably from the generation of parasites in our country, to whom I relate the vast majority of our richest people who did nothing for her, and they simply lost their fortune in the days of Gaidar (they are clearly not an industrialist Ford). Naturally, you are smaller and insignificant in comparison with them, probably on the content or on the thoughtlessness and concussion of the liberal propaganda print it.

              Did something happen in your life? Loser or what?
              1. Umalta
                Umalta 20 December 2019 15: 54
                +3
                Everything worked out for me, I belong to those specialists who are needed by the comprador bourgeoisie, but I am a Russian person, and as many representatives of the peoples of our country I know who the enemy is.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 23 December 2019 21: 31
                  -3
                  The enemy lurks in your own head - and his name is "Envy".
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 24 December 2019 17: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    The enemy lurks in your own head - and his name is "Envy".

                    Are the current sanctions against us also from our envy?
          2. naidas
            naidas 20 December 2019 18: 45
            +2
            Quote: RUSS
            Make slaves from Africa

            Why, won Olgovich suggested, let them die, who did not fit into the market.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 December 2019 13: 12
          -9
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          а how else was to raise the country after the war and carry out industrialization? suggest a different way


          See around - on the world around you and see HOW.
      2. naidas
        naidas 20 December 2019 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        Fishing tax, dog tax, bicycle tax. on the chickens. natural tax, cash tax. for small families, for childlessness. self-taxation and 20% of the annual salary for "good" government loans, etc.

        And where did it all go? Or did it take everything offshore?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 December 2019 08: 59
          -2
          Quote: naidas
          And where did it all go? Or did it take everything offshore?

          let's rob you and send for charity? Do you agree?
          1. naidas
            naidas 22 December 2019 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            let's rob you and send for charity? Do you agree?

            So I was robbed of retirement and so will not be given to development or to the same poor as I am, but to Ukrainians or oligarchs.
            Do you understand this?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 December 2019 10: 33
              -4
              Quote: naidas
              So I was robbed of retirement and so will not be given to development or to the same poor as I am, but to Ukrainians or oligarchs.

              In your paradise, pensions to collective farmers have not been paid for 50 years and nothing.

              Let's, like theirs, we will pull you on Tax on fishing, on a dog, on a bicycle. on the chickens. natural tax, cash tax. for small families, for childlessness. self-taxation and 20% of the annual salary for "good" government loans, etc.

              Do you agree?
              1. naidas
                naidas 23 December 2019 16: 04
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                Let's, like theirs, we will pull you on Tax on fishing, on a dog, on a bicycle. on the chickens. natural tax, cash tax. for small families, for childlessness. self-taxation and 20% of the annual salary for "good" government loans, etc.

                Do you agree?

                And who asks me when they take taxes on personal income tax, VAT, excise taxes, on property, land tax, on transport, trade levy. Don’t shed tears, hunting and fishing are also almost paid.
                How does this combine with the departure of money from the country?
                Do you agree that money leaves the country and taxes are raised, and is that right?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 24 December 2019 10: 10
                  -3
                  Quote: naidas
                  And who asks me when they take taxes on personal income tax, VAT, excise taxes, on property, land tax, transport, trade tax.

                  All this was paid even with your idol. PLUS what is higher.
                  Stalin's cow, you know what, not?
                  And what about the cow, the peasant was left only by Dung, not in the know?
                  Quote: naidas
                  How does this combine with the departure of money from the country?
                  Do you agree that money leaves the country and taxes are raised, and is that right?

                  What is leaving is wrong, what is being promoted is not desirable, but, I think, it is necessary.
                  1. naidas
                    naidas 24 December 2019 18: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    What is leaving is wrong, what is being promoted is not desirable, but, I think, it is necessary.

                    Well yes, retirement age is a necessity?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    All this was paid even with your idol. PLUS what is higher.
                    Stalin's cow, you know what, not?
                    And what about the cow, the peasant was left only by Dung, not in the know?

                    And what remains then, is it really that manure is already being taken away? If there was dung left over your people at that time and the people didn’t run away from the villages, but now they are running like scalded ones. Since 2000 (not the worst years) 34 thousand villages have passed away.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 25 December 2019 10: 05
                      -4
                      Quote: naidas
                      Well yes, retirement age is a necessity?

                      Of course. How many children? What questions7
                      Quote: naidas
                      And what remains then, is it really that manure is already being taken away? If there was dung left over your people at that time and the people didn’t run away from the villages,

                      belay The people ran away with all their might: the remaining in srv. the village is considered loser Turks
                      Quote: naidas
                      Since 2000 (not the worst years) 34 thousand villages have passed away.

                      uh 60 thousand villages only in the Non-Black Earth region disappeared to 1985 MILLIONS of abandoned arable land, meadows, pastures, half a million empty houses !!!!!
                      throughout the country 140 thousand dead villages ..

                      The skating rink was launched THEN, now it is moving by inertia
                      1. naidas
                        naidas 30 December 2019 14: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        uh, 60 thousand villages in the Non-Black Earth region alone disappeared by 1985, MILLIONS of abandoned arable land, meadows, pastures, half a million empty houses !!!!!
                        throughout the country 140 thousand dead villages ..

                        The skating rink was launched THEN, now it is moving by inertia

                        So this is you to the fact that the population remained dung and the population was carried out in a forced manner.
                        Well, do not rave, now they are running as scalded of their own free will.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 December 2019 21: 36
              -1
              Well, firstly, your pensions will not be given to any Ukrainians since the PFR and Gazprom are different Gazprom will pay Ukraine gas profits from gas exports, and secondly, the pension system in Russia is cumulatively distributed - that is, what you pay now in the PFR is already paid to people who go to retirement, and those who will continue to work after you will pay your pension.
    2. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 19: 03
      0
      "Now for the boHatykh, for the liberals" - are all our oligarchs and officials liberals?
      1. Chervonny
        Chervonny 25 November 2020 23: 11
        +25
        Just like the president is a liberal
  20. Galleon
    Galleon 20 December 2019 10: 05
    +8
    I liked the author's thought about "collective Stalin". To work honestly, to be a wise and decent person, to maintain justice and order without amendment and slack for a minor gesheft in the matter that you hold in your hands - this is both memory and duty and honor, if you will. And not to dodge in anticipation of the arrival of a new "leader", hiding behind the fact that "life is like this." Tell me, commonplace? Maybe. Well, let.
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      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 20 December 2019 12: 35
        0
        There in the previous post a link to the song "The End of Hitler" feat. Stalin!
        I recommend!
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 00: 35
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Cool cartoon, sent to friends!

        I have never seen such a ram ... Who built the Berlin Wall there? Well, for the striped blacks and it will do.
    2. Laurus
      Laurus 20 December 2019 12: 36
      +5
      The victims of Stalinism, Kiselev and the Unified State Examination recalled the parable of the dead lion and a pack of jackals. Only here the jackals do not even yap, and the ciliates with amoebas jump their pseudopods.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2019 21: 56
        -1
        Neither the victims of Stalinism, Kiselev and the Unified State Examination - simply objective historical facts and documented events - say and show that the admiration of a person under the rule of which killed a huge number of people - strange to say the least, his industrialization pales in comparison with other events that took place from 1928 to 1953 - the consequences of those events are still ringing for Russia, in the form of an endangered village, by the explosions of WWII shells and with a great fit of the demographic problem. See the root. Tell the logs in your eye I don’t notice, maybe - but for others, in the eye, not a log, but a whole logging.
  22. smaug78
    smaug78 20 December 2019 11: 09
    -1
    Lord, Samsonov, do not touch the Leader ...
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  23. Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 December 2019 11: 14
    +6
    The monuments to Stalin should be returned a long time ago ... in Tomsk, almost all the monuments were demolished to him ... they knew that the time would come and we will not forget these geeks! only they think in vain that they will avoid the wrath of the people!
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 20 December 2019 11: 46
      +1
      Greetings from Tomsk !!!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2019 21: 57
      -1
      At your expense, please, in your yard.
  24. RUSS
    RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 36
    -12
    Quote: Slavutich
    It seems to have been about the Wind of History?

    Here every year they write and will write about the "wind", especially on the eve of Dzhugashvili's birthday and death
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 40
      0
      You will die and in 10 years even your relatives will forget about you ... and they will remember Stalin, so it’s better not to yap
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 20 December 2019 12: 52
        -5
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        You will die and in 10 years even your relatives will forget about you ... and they will remember Stalin, so it’s better not to yap

        Do not be so hysterical, calm down.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 20 December 2019 12: 55
          +1
          absolutely calm and have no habit of hysteria at all, calmly wrote my thoughts on what you have expressed, nothing more
  25. Mwg
    Mwg 20 December 2019 11: 47
    +7
    Happy Birthday, Joseph Vissarionovich! Eternal memory to you !!
  26. asv363
    asv363 20 December 2019 11: 54
    +6
    In the DNI issued a postage stamp with a portrait of Joseph Stalin, the first in the series "Great People"
    https://dan-news.info/obschestvo/v-dnr-vypustili-pochtovuyu-marku-s-portretom-iosifa-stalina-pervuyu-v-serii-velikie-lyudi.html

    Could the Russian Post go for such a thing?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 20 December 2019 12: 14
      -13
      Quote: asv363
      In the DNI issued a postage stamp with a portrait of Joseph Stalin, the first in the series "Great People"
      https://dan-news.info/obschestvo/v-dnr-vypustili-pochtovuyu-marku-s-portretom-iosifa-stalina-pervuyu-v-serii-velikie-lyudi.html

      Could the Russian Post go for such a thing?

      Knowing the rating of Stalin, they produce not only brands but also other products with Stalin, business and personal nothing, people will buy, and businessmen profit.
    2. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 19: 13
      -1
      Do they also issue brands? In 100 years this misunderstanding will cost a lot of money.
  27. iouris
    iouris 20 December 2019 12: 14
    +3
    The function, personality and role of Stalin in history is too complex, and we know too little to judge. But, judging by it, we must start with Gorby.
    1. slasha
      slasha 20 December 2019 12: 29
      +6
      Hang! shameful death for the traitor of the motherland. And Yeltsin is there too.
  28. slasha
    slasha 20 December 2019 12: 28
    +6
    Thanks to Comrade Stalin! And for our carefree childhood, and for the fact that we are still alive. It was under his leadership that a huge backlog in industry and ideology was made in the country, which allowed the country to survive and survive the "blessed" 90s and survive now.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 20 December 2019 15: 51
      -11
      Quote: slasha
      Thanks to Comrade Stalin! And for our carefree childhood,

      Interestingly, did Lidia Pereprygina also thank Dzhugashvili for her childhood, who knocked her down when she was 13?
      1. naidas
        naidas 20 December 2019 20: 07
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        Interestingly, did Lidia Pereprygina also thank Dzhugashvili for her childhood, who knocked her down when she was 13?

        Firstly 14, secondly the Vatican, Germany permits from 14 years old, and in Russia Federal Law of June 25, 1998 No. 92-FZ 14 years.

        And Stalin smoked, and this violates the law on the protection of public health
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 20 December 2019 20: 27
          -4
          Quote: naidas

          First 14, second

          Well, it all changes laughing
          1. naidas
            naidas 22 December 2019 15: 08
            +2
            Quote: RUSS
            Well, it all changes

            It doesn’t change this, but the fact that this is a political site and is being discussed by Stalin not in bed, but as the head of state. And with your comet, you and your like-minded people should go to the corresponding sites.
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 21 December 2019 00: 25
        -1
        Quote: RUSS
        who knocked her down when she was 13 years old?

        What is your problem? To the mice already.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 21 December 2019 15: 50
          -4
          Quote: Octopus
          Quote: RUSS
          who knocked her down when she was 13 years old?

          What is your problem? To the mice already.

          The pockmarked 34-year-old Georgian knocked up a girl.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 21 December 2019 16: 22
            -3
            Quote: RUSS
            The pockmarked 34-year-old Georgian knocked up a girl.

            And what is unusual for Russia that we lost? What did not get married?
  29. verp19
    verp19 20 December 2019 13: 05
    -11
    Samsonov,
    Wake up !!!!

    What rainbow world do you live in?!?!?! If everything was so good, the USSR would still be alive.

    Even before the war, we became an industrial and technologically independent power.

    The leading industries that placed the USSR in the rank of a world power: aircraft construction, engine building, shipbuilding, the nuclear industry, rocket science, electronic industry, etc.


    How exactly?
    For example, after the war, the development of aviation was associated with German developments and English engines. One copy of the B-29 in terms of technology, how much was useful? Etc.

    About cybernetics and genetics ... I don’t even stutter ...

    We have created our own sphere of security and economic co-prosperity in Eastern Europe - Poland, East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania.


    Having swallowed Eastern Europe, Stalin made enemies (we read a long telegram from Kenan) and in the end this led the USSR to a trough in the year 89-91.

    The Molotov-Ribentrop Pact unleashed Hitler’s hands ... And as a result, the Germans in Moscow and Stalingrad and 27 million victims ...

    But they met a steel monolith. The nation was one.


    Yeah ... sv. 400 thousand hevi in ​​the Wehrmacht in the 44th year (in the 44th year of Karl !!!!) a monolith ...
    And why was it necessary, during and after the war, to move entire peoples back and forth to places "not so remote"?

    The introduction of mass physical culture, hygiene, the growth of health care led to the creation of a healthy nation, with a real cult of a physically developed person. The society under Stalin was healthy, without social illnesses such as mass drunkenness, narcotization or debauchery-fornication, as it is now.


    Pearl, pearl ...
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 20 December 2019 19: 06
      +4
      Are you naive or just not educated?
      "For example, after the war, the development of aviation was associated with German developments and British engines." - not what, nafig, "for example" !!! The concept of the early to mid-20th century was supposed to adhere to the canons set by leading manufacturers. Everyone copied the best, regardless of the will and wishes of the manufacturer. It is only since the 60s that the United States has pushed the primacy of patent law in relations between manufacturers at the interstate level. Read books with letters, not pictures.
      Even Ukrainian "political scientists" do not stutter about the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, and you just remembered it. how you lag behind the political environment given to the liberals of the Russian Federation from the west. Comment - echo echo from echo. We heard such tearful calls
    2. slasha
      slasha 22 December 2019 20: 53
      0
      It seems that a hundred people who wrote this are blind and deaf. And it can only reproduce what is laid in it by the program of Solzhenitsyn, Khrushchev and Svanidze.
  30. kaplei
    kaplei 20 December 2019 13: 06
    +9
    I watched VV's speech yesterday I understand Putin ... well, as in almost 20 years it was impossible to begin to correct the fundamental problems in the state. Why all these leaders, etc. The main task of the state is the welfare of the people, medicine, education, etc. Glory to comrade I.V. To Stalin! The best manager of the 20th century is lacking now, L.P. Beria.
  31. alebor
    alebor 20 December 2019 13: 17
    -10
    But in the modern world there is a state that is as close as possible to that "Russian civilization" which, according to A. Samsonov, was built by Stalin. This is, of course, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or simply North Korea, living according to the precepts of the local "Stalin" the Great Juche and very different from another Korea - South, which does not live according to these precepts and clearly demonstrates how different the life of one and the same can be people in different economic systems.
    Yes, modern "non-Stalinist" Russia has a lot of shortcomings, with its stagnant raw material economy, dying out population, unfair distribution of income, etc., but with all these vices to see Russia similar to North Korea and live in such a "civilization" for some reason I really would not want to. And what is especially upsetting is that in this "civilization", as in North Korea, there would be no normal public Internet and, accordingly, we would not have the opportunity to read A. Samsonov's wonderful articles about the superethnos of the Rus and its many thousand-year-old civilization, the living personification of which has become Stalin. It would be just awful.
    1. Laurus
      Laurus 20 December 2019 13: 46
      +9
      Distortion. Firstly, the DPRK has nothing to do with the USSR, and secondly, if you hold any democratic capitalist country for decades under the sanctions that are imposed on the DPRK, I would look at their standard of living. Yes, what kind of life is there, would have died out, like a Dront bird.
      And thirdly, the anti-Soviet people are pushing the DPRK and at the same time pretend that there is no socialist PRC in the world, which is actually the second world economy and has every chance of becoming the first.
      Ai-ai-ay, gentlemen of the anti-advisers, it will grow longer for your lies than your Pinocchio.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 20 December 2019 14: 27
        -6
        Quote: Laurel
        there is no socialist PRC in the world

        Of course not. What is socialism, with go and triads.
        Quote: Laurel
        First, the DPRK has nothing to do with the USSR

        With the late USSR. Kima’s comrades are taking the Stalinist Course, not following the Judas Khrushchev to the iceberg of the consumer society.
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny 25 November 2020 23: 10
          +25
          No. They have their own way. The Juche Way. Juche and Stalinism are different things.
      2. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 19: 18
        0
        Do not make me laugh. Which PRC is socialist? An ideological screen to maintain power.
    2. naidas
      naidas 20 December 2019 20: 13
      +2
      Quote: alebor
      Democratic People's Republic of Korea or simply North Korea,

      And being under sanctions, it has a purchasing power parity of 1700 dollars per person, against 4200 dollars in Russia, and taking into account the distribution of incomes, the majority of the Russian population lives worse than in the DPRK.
      Quote: alebor
      For some reason, I would really not want to see Russia resemble North Korea and live in such a "civilization".

      So you’ll travel to the regions and see beyond the Moscow Ring Road, Russians don’t depend on whether they go to live like this or not
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2019 22: 07
        0
        "And being under the sanctions, it has a purchasing power parity of $ 1700 per person, against $ 4200 in Russia, and taking into account the distribution of income, the majority of the Russian population lives worse than in the DPRK." - Tell this nonsense to the grannies on the bench - but information about the DPRK in the first person
        1. naidas
          naidas 24 December 2019 18: 42
          0
          So tell your nonsense how bad it is in the DPRK and how good it is for residents in the regions of Russia:
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 December 2019 16: 03
            -1
            The emergency relocation program continues to work throughout Russia, there isn’t any famine agriculture in the bulk of agricultural holdings and 500000 private owners from tiny to large - and to get better in the regions you need to force local officials to draw up a plan for the development of their village, city - every year the state allocates money, but due to the fact that the local do not care like an official, every year more than one trillion rubles are returned to the budget from the amount allocated for the implementation of infrastructure and other facilities throughout Russia.
        2. naidas
          naidas 24 December 2019 19: 55
          0
          Vadim, my friend was in the DPRK, living normally in the city, salaries, although small, but around subsidies, subsistence farming in the countryside (if crop failure, then hunger), but it is quite comparable with our regions, excluding millionaires. Yes, and in the internet look at our eyewitnesses: No. 143 dated December 20, 2019 Ambassador of the Russian Federation to the DPRK Alexander Matsegora (and this is the New Liberal Newspaper), TravelManiac visited the DPRK and Alexander Belenky with views in the DPRK.
  32. Umalta
    Umalta 20 December 2019 13: 31
    +9
    Imagine if a ruler like Stalin appears now, he will immediately sweep away all the liberal, corrupt muck from the government, moreover, in such a way that what they have stolen from the state and people remains in the country, that is, members of all families who have profited from our blood and are shot will be arrested and imprisoned they will be replaced by settlements in the north only if they return the loot from offshore to their homeland. Imagine how much stench and dirt will be raised in the media.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 December 2019 14: 20
      -5
      Quote: Umalta
      Imagine if a ruler like Stalin appears now, he will immediately sweep away all the liberal, corrupt muck

      Yes Yes..

      1949 g From the report of the USSR prosecutor Grigory Safonov to the country's leadership - the entire Soviet judicial system is corrupted from top to bottom:

      I report that recently the USSR Prosecutor’s Office opened numerous facts of bribery, abuse, merging with criminal elements and the adoption of unjust sentences and decisions in the judicial authorities of Moscow, Kiev, Krasnodar and Ufa. The investigation established that these crimes were committed in various parts of the judicial system, namely, the people's courts, the Moscow City Court, the Kiev Regional Court, the Krasnodar Regional Court, the Supreme Court of the RSFSR and, finally, in the Supreme Court of the USSR... In the case of the Moscow City Court, a group of former members of the Moscow City Court was arrested, namely: Gutorkin, Obukhov, Praushkin and Chursin, who for the past two years was a member of the Supreme Court of the USSR, as well as people's judges Korotkaya, Burmistrova and Alexandrova. In addition, the former chairman of the Moscow City Court Vasnev was arrested. As established by the investigation, all these individuals systematically, for several years, received bribes in court cases, and also committed all kinds of abuses, moreover, they were connected in their criminal activities. ... In the Supreme Court of the RSFSR also revealed facts of bribery and other abuses. The investigation found that these crimes were promoted by the unhealthy atmosphere of nepotism that existed in the Supreme Court apparatus.
      1. naidas
        naidas 20 December 2019 20: 18
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        1949, From the report of the USSR prosecutor Grigory Safonov to the country's leadership - the entire Soviet judicial system is stricken from top to bottom:

        Olgovich doesn’t please you, then executions for violations of a crime against people, then few people are affected by corruption. You decide to start.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 December 2019 09: 02
          -2
          Quote: naidas
          Olgovich doesn’t please you, then executions for violations of a crime against people, then few people are affected by corruption. You decide to start.

          Learn what the LAW is and the oddities for you will disappear.
          1. naidas
            naidas 22 December 2019 14: 57
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            Learn what the LAW is and the oddities for you will disappear.

            After this, you have already disappeared, for the Stalinist purges, which are by law. Then why are you speaking out?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 December 2019 10: 26
              -2
              Quote: naidas
              You are for the Stalinist purges, which are by law.


              Contradict to the law: such a definition was given to them by the STATE of the USSR in the relevant decisions and laws of the USSR and the Russian Federation, for example, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR:
              16th of January 1989

              In order to restore social justice and eliminate consequences lawlessnessthat took place between the 30s and 40s and the beginning of the 50s, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decides:

              1. Condemn Extrajudicial mass repressions of the Stalinist period, recognized as unconstitutional in the 30s and 40s and early 50s by the “troika” of the NKVD – UNKVD, colleges of the OGPU, and “special meetings” of the NKVD – MGB – MIA of the USSR and cancel extrajudicial decisions made by them, not canceled by the time of the publication of this Decree by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Count all citizens who were repressed by the decisions of these bodies, including persons subsequently convicted of escaping from places of illegal special settlement, rehabilitated.

              Did it get there? No.

              and I'm for the law.
              1. naidas
                naidas 23 December 2019 16: 07
                -1
                Quote: Olgovich
                16th of January 1989

                It probably doesn’t reach you that the purges were according to the laws of the 20-50s, and not 1989,
                And then according to your next law, the withdrawal of money in offshore will make it illegal, and that everyone will be sent to who had withdrawn the money before?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 24 December 2019 10: 14
                  0
                  Quote: naidas
                  It probably doesn’t reach you that the purges were according to the laws of the 20-50s, and not 1989,

                  Alas, it did NOT occur to you that they were recognized as ANTI-COSTITUTIONAL for that period. lawlessness contrary to TOM law. .
                  Can't read? request
                  1. naidas
                    naidas 24 December 2019 18: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Alas, it did not reach you

                    it didn’t reach you that the acts in 1991-2019. can be declared illegal in 2025, for example, the withdrawal of money from the country and what do you think all who withdrew the criminals?
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 25 December 2019 09: 58
                      -3
                      Quote: naidas
                      it didn’t reach you that the acts in 1991-2019. can be declared illegal in 2025, for example, the withdrawal of money from the country and what do you think all who withdrew the criminals?

                      When they recognize (which will not happen), then remember. Now there is nothing to talk about.

                      And on the topic, the conclusion of the USSR:
                      1. Condemn extrajudicial mass repressions of the period of Stalinism, recognize unconstitutional the “troika” of the NKVD — UNKVD, colleges of the OGPU and the “special meetings” of the NKVD — MGB — the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, which were in force in the 30s and 40s and early 50s, and cancel extrajudicial decisions

                      Respect the Laws of the USSR and RUSSIA!
                      1. naidas
                        naidas 30 December 2019 14: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        important laws of the USSR and RUSSIA!

                        I can’t, do you respect the order to raise the retirement age, and spare me (the law of 2018 canceled the previous one, like your law of 1989 canceled the previous one valid in the 1930s)
        2. Cyer
          Cyer 21 December 2019 21: 42
          -1
          It's easy to decide here - the absence of mass executions can be combined with a well-designed anti-corruption policy. Moreover, mass repressions with effective anti-corruption policies are poorly compatible.
    2. Cyer
      Cyer 21 December 2019 21: 01
      -3
      Presented. And the first thing he will do for you)) That will be a laugh, right?
  33. borisww
    borisww 20 December 2019 14: 41
    +4
    In general, this person has multiplied our homeland. USSR. And what did our CIS leaders do? Well, at least they did not fall into atoms? I personally am for.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 25 November 2020 23: 09
      +23
      Quote: borisww
      And what have our CIS leaders done?

      Does the CIS have leaders? Or are you talking about the presidents of the countries of the former Soviet republics? Then they did such things as: impoverishment of the people; destruction of industry; raising the retirement age; interethnic conflicts and so on.
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    1. Octopus
      Octopus 20 December 2019 15: 07
      -7
      Quote: Engineer
      Rejection of all this - Russophobia

      Of course. Stalin - for the Russians, Russians - for Stalin. This is God's providence for Russia.
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    1. Engineer
      Engineer 20 December 2019 18: 01
      -1
      No, Michael, with all due respect, that won’t do.
      There really is a demand in society for Stalin, more precisely, for the myth of Stalin. As long as this situation persists, articles like this one will enjoy increased popularity.
      It is impossible to comprehend history without overcoming the myth, without balanced estimates. And for this you need the following
      Everyone should ask themselves and answer the questions:
      Was Stalin an executioner? Yes or no?
      Did Stalin sneak the start of the war? Yes or no?
      Were millions of our compatriots, including Korolev and Rokossovsky, lazy thieving cattle prone to mass terrorism, sabotage, and cooperation with foreign intelligence? And they could work for the good of the Motherland only from under the Stalinist stick. Yes or no?
      Was the path of accelerated industrialization (a surprise originally formulated by Trotsky) optimal? Yes or no?
      Only after weighing the achievements and sacrifices, we come closer to assessing the person whom you called great.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 20 December 2019 23: 46
        -4
        Quote: Engineer
        Was Stalin an executioner? Yes or no?

        Sorry, but you are broadcasting a liberal mess invented by liberals (really invented by real liberals, and not as usual) to the death of Russia (and not only Russia).

        The trouble is that a person, every single person, his life and death, matter, only they matter. This is the same needle in the egg in which the death of Russia, the death of all empires to one. Mr. Mukhin, his fan Samsonov and their many supporters will not fall for these insinuations, will not give liberal demons the faith of their fathers and grandfathers.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 21 December 2019 08: 45
          0
          Are you all mocking?
          Do not be afraid of this outcome:

          ?
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 21 December 2019 10: 47
            0
            Quote: Engineer
            Are you all mocking?

            Specifically, this post is written absolutely seriously. Liberal values ​​remove the question of assessing Stalin, in this Samsonov and others like him are absolutely right. Without liberalism, yes, there is a wide field for discussion about great things and a great man.
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 21 December 2019 11: 56
              0
              Well, seriously, then choose a value system that is different from the liberal and through this prism give an assessment. Of course, you do not owe me anything, but so far your posts are exercises in sophistry.
              Kesha again logged in, jumped to another branch and happily trolled
              first poured cotton ("those who wear Adidas will sell their homeland tomorrow ..." "on the Independence Square
              from the streets let on shells - information for consideration: is not the CIA agent the wife of Sobya-
              Nina? ”), then the handshakes

              You mentioned empire
              This is the same needle in the egg in which the death of Russia, the death of all empires to one.

              For me, this is one of the keys to understanding the era. Stalin built an empire (post-empire, neo-empire whatever) and therefore automatically made a mistake not only from the point of view of the liberal, but also from the point of view of the nationalist.

              The empire must always carry out expansion, military or ideological. Without expansion, the imperial idea perishes, and the empire perishes behind it. The death of an empire is almost always a bloody act. Any setbacks and suspension of expansion lead to the fact that the colonies and outskirts are happy to arrange genocide against the colonialists and each other. Civilized divorce as the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the empire can not. All this has far-reaching consequences:

              An empire is always economically inefficient or less effective than modern national or post-national states (Greetings from Britain from Germany, Greetings from the Union of Finland, greetings from the United States from Switzerland and Sweden)

              An empire is always built on the bones and above all on the bones of the titular nation. When it (the nation) is squeezed like a lemon, the empire goes to the dustbin of history, and the nation remains a ruined and fragmented shadow of itself, surrounded by its neighbors who hate it.

              The inhabitants of the empire are especially unhappy. In addition to all the problems experienced by the inhabitants of non-empires, imperial problems are added to them. The titular nation believes that it bears the brunt of the imperial burden, and around the ungrateful cattle. Residents of the colonies and outskirts feel restrained and robbed.

              Empire is an ideological bankrupt in the long run. No one will say a good word about British colonialism in India (and there is something there). And if he says it will be spat upon by the waves of the mainstream.

              Conclusion
              Empire is the path of losers.
              This post is about the overthrow of imperial trouble, much more dangerous than its liberal version.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 21 December 2019 12: 19
                -1
                Quote: Engineer
                Your posts are exercises in sophistry.

                Well, not all, not even most.
                Quote: Engineer
                For me, this is one of the keys to understanding the era

                All right more or less write. The only thing that the national state is not equal to liberalism, but it is somewhat akin to it, appeared at the end of the XNUMXth century on the same humanistic leaven.
                Quote: Engineer
                choose a system of values ​​different from liberal and through this prism give an assessment.

                From the point of view of the concept of empire, and only from this point of view, Stalin is our great leader, the most successful ruler in the history of Russia, etc. He took some kind of impoverished walk-field, where everyone cuts each other and swells with hunger, left the empire from Denmark to Taiwan, dominating in Europe and Asia. The population has grown from 150 million to about a billion people, what the hell are the shootings.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 21 December 2019 13: 47
                  +1
                  . The only thing is that the nation state is not equal to liberalism

                  The original post didn’t mean but also - a gradation union, not an equal sign.
                  Let's try to stand on the imperial platform.
                  He took some beggarly walk-field where everyone cuts each other and swells with hunger

                  Stabilization and strengthening of the political and economic situation of Russia under the NEP myth?
                  left the empire from Denmark to Taiwan, dominant in Europe and Asia

                  Well, yes, the great and mighty China has successfully nurtured the heads of successors. Khrushchev caught on, but it was too late. Ah, yes, this is Nikita - to blame. Messed up everything.
                  what the hell shootings are there.

                  Indeed, all empires do this.
                  And also on the little things.
                  He missed not a blow from Germany, but a whole series and almost fell into a knockout in the first round. At the same time, he prepared and trained.
                  Arranged obscenity with Finland.
                  Accepted Western Ukraine and the Baltic states into the Union instead of making it buffer territories. Either the tumor got a time bomb.
                  1. Octopus
                    Octopus 21 December 2019 13: 58
                    -1
                    You want too much from Comrade Stalin. While he was alive, everything went fine. Yes, and WWII as a whole without loss passed. Look at the population of the USSR at the 39th and 46th year.

                    By the way, and about China. Your complaints are to Nixon, and even more to Carter, a living geopolitical disaster. Absolutely any international issue that Jimmy Carter took up turned into a monstrous bloody tryndets with consequences for a hundred years. China would follow the course of Mao - and would now be a poor and wild freak, a huge North Korea.
                    1. Engineer
                      Engineer 21 December 2019 14: 07
                      0
                      You want too much from Comrade Stalin. While he was alive, everything went fine.

                      Which of us is called great? Me or him?
                      By the way, and about China. Your complaints are to Nixon, and even more to Carter.

                      Oops, we are at our side with our own hands creating a nuclear power with an ultra-left ideology, in comparison with which the USSR is a conservative state. We give them everything from AK to A-bomb. At the same time, we believe that they will be our obedient pit bull. Are the "mattresses" to blame?
                      Yes, and WWII as a whole without loss passed. Look at the population of the USSR at the 39th and 46th year.

                      Sorry, but thick
                      1. Octopus
                        Octopus 21 December 2019 14: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Engineer
                        Are the "s" to blame?

                        Of course. Symbiosis with the West made China great again. And with the naked train and the atomic bomb, he did not bother anyone. Of course, he could crash around the USSR, but, firstly, he did not seriously grovel, and secondly, Kayshi would have groaned earlier, the USSR had not yet explained to him for the MPR.
                      2. Octopus
                        Octopus 22 December 2019 02: 31
                        -2
                        Quote: Engineer
                        Sorry, but thick

                        No. It is necessary to be aware of reality, it is important precisely in the matter of assessing Stalin.

                        This is a citizen's personality. Nationals are counted on the head. From the point of view of Comrade Stalin and his fan club, if we discard the husk, the USSR did not have any losses, the livestock remained almost unchanged.
                    2. Robertocalos
                      Robertocalos 25 December 2019 00: 51
                      0
                      What do you mean by "everything went fine"? Social engineering that history did not know?
                      1. Octopus
                        Octopus 25 December 2019 08: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Robertocalos
                        What do you mean by "everything went fine"?

                        The imperial idea, of course. Expanding the list of ponds in which they managed to wash their boots.
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 25 December 2019 08: 53
                        -1
                        To be completely precise, not boots, but bast shoes
                  2. Octopus
                    Octopus 21 December 2019 14: 02
                    -1
                    Quote: Engineer
                    The initial post of this did not imply, but also a gradation union, and not an equal sign.

                    I do not argue, just complement.
              2. Robertocalos
                Robertocalos 25 December 2019 00: 50
                0
                The Boers, perhaps, agree with you) worse than an empire is only post-imperialism. How about now.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 25 December 2019 10: 31
                  0
                  Post-imperialism can never be worse than an empire even for the former titular nations. And even more so for former colonies and outskirts. It is enough to recall the most elementary examples:
                  Compensation and benefits for Indians in the USA
                  Simplified entry into Britain of representatives of the Commonwealth (read Indians and other Kenyans)
                  You can continue the list yourself.
                2. Chervonny
                  Chervonny 25 November 2020 23: 08
                  +23
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  post-imperialism. How about now

                  Post-imperialism is a concept according to which the end of colonialism after the Second World War and the emergence of many large economic and political national associations are associated with the end of the exploitative relations characteristic of nations during the period of imperialism.
                  Well, where, how now?
    2. Nonna
      Nonna 22 December 2019 09: 20
      0
      The owner does not understand what (Michael) when you write about masturbation - do you mean your masturbation? Or insult all members of the forum? You, old man, boor. They beat me in the face for this, but I am writing a complaint to you to the moderator, because your sexual fantasies are of no interest to anyone here and cause only disgust
  36. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 18: 46
    +4
    Here I look certain forces have been activated .. Are they afraid that Stalin’s policy will return? he he

    He will return, you will bring us to the Lord's No. ".. And then really scream everything. hi
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 20 December 2019 19: 23
      -6
      Take it easy, won't come back. The 2nd time Russia will not survive this.
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 20: 32
        -1
        Quote: Fraancol_2
        Take it easy, won't come back. The 2nd time Russia will not survive this.

        You mean the Jews will not survive ..? bully
        PS Jewish AO, has long been empty with three Jews .. ha ha ha Even from the time of Stalin gee gee hi
        Everyone is waiting ..
        1. Fraracol_2
          Fraracol_2 21 December 2019 14: 10
          -2
          It proves once again that the Jews are not fools, so they mocked at the next great plan of the mustachioed. And not only this time. Not all people are thoughtless pawns in the hands of dictators.
      2. Chervonny
        Chervonny 25 November 2020 23: 08
        +24
        Quote: Fraancol_2
        Take it easy, won't come back

        If I were you, I wouldn't be so sure ... wink
    2. Chervonny
      Chervonny 25 November 2020 23: 07
      +25
      Quote: Starper-777
      Are they afraid that Stalin's policy will return?

      They are afraid that the ideas of Lenin-Stalin will return. And they are already on the way to the virtual world of modern non-bourgeois.
  37. Alevil
    Alevil 20 December 2019 19: 00
    +4
    Glory to the great Stalin !!!
  38. Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK 20 December 2019 19: 31
    -2
    JANUS
    It doesn’t matter that Janus was two-faced, in fact, he’s life
    lived with dignity. May he be void with one face
    but on the other hand - great. Let it be in one person
    was a rascal, but in another he was honest and truthful. Let be
    he was unfair with people, but he behaved with the gods
    not bad. Let sometimes it was sharp on the tongue, but sometimes
    pretty careful.

    It doesn’t matter that Janus was two-faced. On average, he
    considered good.
    Felix Crivin. Scientists tales.
    Uzhhorod: Carpathians, 1967.
  39. Basarev
    Basarev 20 December 2019 22: 55
    -3
    And yet, as the people's commissar of nationalities, it was he who asserted the vile Leninist national policy. He had the authority not to let her go, but he deliberately let her go.
  40. wooja
    wooja 20 December 2019 23: 30
    -5
    a fairly balanced article ... but not everything is so rosy, the achievements under the leadership of the IVS are grandiose, but no less grandiose and failures ... that are still clearly visible. And nevertheless, the author, like many others, completely ignores the environment of the IVS ..., which is very involved in failures and mistakes, and which had a very strong influence ..., which essentially destroyed everything that was healthier in Soviet society, including Soviet power, even during the life of the leader and completing it with a marasmic restructuring ... Stalin has little to do with "Stalinism" .... it is a pity of course that so much effort and talent had to be spent on fighting the party elite and other enemies under its roof, " Stalinism "is a liberal term covering up the crimes and betrayal of the liberals and Zionists from the Leader's entourage ... unfortunately the Revolution was never able to devour its children, who eventually degenerated into monsters - the KGB and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ...
  41. RoTTor
    RoTTor 21 December 2019 00: 33
    +4
    Stalin is a symbol of the power and greatness of the motherland,
    caring for people, real improvement of life, social justice and real rights to a decent life
    60 years of lies, denigrations could not erase the memory of STALIN.
    HAPPY 140TH BIRTHDAY,
    NATIVE COMRADE STALIN!
  42. 1536
    1536 21 December 2019 09: 11
    +1
    You can paraphrase the words of a student from the film "We'll Live Till Monday": "After Stalin, Russia was unlucky for General Secretaries."
  43. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 21 December 2019 10: 04
    0
    I’m wondering, on what basis did Stalin IV, who had not served in the army for a day, had not even completed military courses, become a marshal, and then a general-maximum? I ask you not to throw slippers, and not to minus, but to deflect essentially, if anyone knows. The truth is interesting.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 21 December 2019 13: 49
      +3
      Have you ever heard such a word as self-education?
      1. Rimlianin
        Rimlianin 22 December 2019 06: 42