What will kill us? Well, definitely not the Tomahawks

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Well, I didn’t think that I would live to see this, but now I’ve survived. And with my own eyes I saw how the main grave digger of Soviet medicine on a blue eye tells how it turns out that our citizens' health is being protected very well.

And how sad it is in Israel and Germany.



Yes, in those same Israel and Germany, where they collect daily for hundreds of operations for children on live TV.

You know, the reference system, we have ... For whom it is the standard, Mrs. Skvortsova did not specify, and she did it right. Because I’m sure that Sudan, Somalia, Niger, Mozambique and so on, according to the list of least developed countries from the UN for 2018, would be on the list.

Actually, I have not discovered and will not discover anything new, the collapse that was initiated in all the ministries, why did I have to pass by the Ministry of Health? Why is this department worse?

It is better.

It is already better (and at the same time more interesting to our enemies) in that it can kill no less, and even more efficiently, than any military department. In peacetime, the non-working Ministry of Health is able to destroy the population of any country as luxuriously as saboteurs or enemy troops in wartime.

Yes, all these tales that doctors receive from us 80 thousand rubles, that there are no problems with personnel, that our medicine is no worse than Western medicine is true.

When Skvortsova says: “With us,” one must understand: “With us in Moscow and St. Petersburg.” For the rest, excuse me, it remains only to look at these bullying (otherwise it can not be called IT) and endure.

Well, to adopt a little bit of the Ukrainian experience in treating oak bark and plantain. This is not yet, but we must be prepared.

As an example, I can cite the recent case when a colleague Krivov called an ambulance for his two-year-old daughter, who, with strange symptoms, also had a temperature of 39.

The ambulance has arrived. With a paramedic. It turned out that there was not a single pediatric doctor in the shift. As a result, the paramedic examined the child, contacted the control room by telephone, someone dictated to him there, the whole visit was over.

The millionth city ...

No, everything is logical. On the Internet on the same "Picabu" there are already enough confessions of doctors who are not rubbish, but simply people who want to live. So they just want to live, and live well. Therefore, I understood my friend the doctor, whom I have known since childhood. I wanted to talk with him about the problems of the ambulance ... and it didn’t work out. It turned out that he had been working at the NSR station in Krasnogorsk for six months now. Yes, not for 150 thousand, but not for 30.

And as will be with us, this is really not his headache.

I think we will have it as in many other areas. The salaries that the Russians consider unworthy will come from those they arrange.

And what has already happened in construction, housing and communal services, trade, why doesn’t it happen in medicine? Education? Well, if the salary suits, then you can expect specialists from those countries - former fraternal republics, where living is even worse than in Russia.

Everyone knows where they come to our aid from.

And now this market will probably be filled in the same way as it happened with the previous ones. Market Laws ...

And here it becomes clear as a white day the so-called “Topilin list”, which involves the accelerated issuance of Russian citizenship to people who have medical professions. Midwives, emergency doctors, psychiatrists, local therapists, surgeons, nurses, paramedics from the countries of the former USSR republics (well, who will come to us from Europe?), Welcome!

And this somehow does not inspire optimism, to be honest. Not that I'm against the Uzbek and Tajik doctors in our rooms, but ... but I don’t have confidence in them.

But alas, this is a market-based Russian system, which is completely not Soviet.

Repeat is worth it. Russian medicine is not a continuation of the Soviet one. This is a completely different medicine, it is not better than the Soviet one in principle, but what will happen next will only get worse. And that's why.

All the same Market. The concern for the health of the nation has been replaced by profitability, payback and property.

And here is the main difficulty. You can change the minister. You can change the prime minister. You can change the president. The sense of this will be zero, because the principle of a market economy will remain untouched. Profit instead of health.

Moreover, the profit is not even from a healthcare institution, but from an insurance company that regulates cash flows.

But one should not forget the pride with which another official, Mrs. Golikova, spoke about the double growth of private medical institutions in the country since 2014.

Luxurious of course. No less interesting fact, as well as rapidly emptying state clinics. The outflow from them goes to these very private clinics, and if in the state the line to the profile specialist can stretch for a couple of months, then for a perfectly imputed fee THIS same specialist will accept anyone at any time convenient for him.

However, this is a completely well-known fact.

But diagnosis is only half the battle. Smaller, moreover. What about the medicine?

And with medicines everything is fine with us. Foreign pharmaceutical companies are fleeing the market for finished drugs, and sanctions are not at all involved. Basically, a tender pricing policy and the patriotic lobby of domestic pharmaceutical oligarchs.

I have nothing against Russian medicines, but the fact that, as of the end of 2019, from 2015, 700 to 900 foreign-made drugs have disappeared from the market. Yes, the data is very vague, because no one set out to track, but even on the website of Roszdravnadzor monthly data were posted on the drugs that the manufacturers stopped supplying to us.

There are no exact numbers. But what are the numbers if there are no drugs?


Regarding replacements. Everything here is not so simple. We can say that we have all replaced and ... And you can say everything at all. But to do ...

Everyone who believes in a fairy tale about import substitution should remember that today is not 1991. The entire pharmaceutical industry is privatized and is in someone else's hands. At best, the Russian oligarchs, at worst, belong to foreign companies.

But the main thing is that we almost did not have our own development and a full production cycle. Like in the automotive industry, screwdriver assembly there and shovel manufacturing in pharmacology.

That is, simple mixing and packaging from what was brought to the factory.

But it is economically profitable.

It is equally beneficial to import generics from Asia. Generic is a substitute for a proprietary product (and all medicines are patented today, mainly by manufacturers), issued without problems with licenses.

Yes, generics today, according to the research of the American Catherine Eban, which she published in the book "Bottle of Lies", is what will kill us all no worse, and perhaps better than atomic bombs.

No wonder the medicines produced in India and China are banned for import, not in vain. Indeed, today in Asia (India, the Philippines, Indonesia, China) up to 60% of the global volume of dosage forms is produced. Substances for both proprietary drugs and, naturally, cheaper, but "no worse" generics.

Well, you understand, it's like Adidas sneakers. How does the "company" differ from the Chinese, do everyone remember? But with medicines the same thing is perfect. But cheaper.

It turns out that the whole essence of “import substitution” in us was expressed in replacing imported drugs created on the basis of Chinese and Indian substances with Russian drugs. Created entirely from the same Chinese and Indian substances.

What's the difference?

Believe me, the difference can be very unpleasant.

Your own example. Last year, my personal drug Concor AM disappeared from all pharmacies. It is produced in Hungary, at the EGIS plant under the control of the Germans, their company Merck. I’ve been sitting for a long time, he suits me all. And then he disappeared.

Replacing is difficult, but possible. The drug "Bisam" from LLC "Atoll". Russian drug. Three times cheaper. If the letters and numbers - well, one to one. In fact - it’s better not to remember. It was very unpleasant.

So I will not recommend such experiments on myself to anyone. And, alas, in my own skin I felt what it was like to change the European drug to, do not understand what. But it could be worse, by the way. Diabetics and cancer patients are still sadder, according to them.

But the most disgusting thing here is that foreign manufacturers are leaving, and ours are not in a hurry to take a niche. A huge number of tenders for the purchase of medicines are simply ignored by manufacturers. And this is about drugs that should be in hospitals after purchase.

That is, we are slowly and confidently going to the glorious 90s, when the patient was supposed to come to the hospital with his bed, dishes, food, medicines and syringes.

So-so perspective ... very so-so.

And you are surprised. Why aren't 30 to 50% of tenders played at all? Prices? Right, the prices. No one can supply the drug at a loss, because such a price was drawn in the tender by those who produce it. Well, of course, kickbacks. It is sacred.

They do so in our country and buy medicines.

Therefore, the information that almost the entire country sits on more than dubious generics from Ranbaxi is not surprising. Rather, it is surprising that Ranbaxi, as a manufacturer, produces drugs of slop quality. From the point of view of an honest American.

But since we have a market, all the same, cheap Indian raw materials will be given the green light precisely because it is cheap. After all, if you remove all of these shortcomings with a dubious outcome, then a fair percentage of the population will be left without drug help at all.

So, it remains to rely on traditional medicine, God's help, miraculous healers, and the money collected by the whole world for treatment where there is medicine, there are medicines and there are doctors.


In Germany, Belgium, Israel, USA. Which, according to Skvortsova, should be mortally jealous of us.

In fact, we will be mortally jealous. And not just to envy, but deadly. When that western medicine comes to us, in which it will really be easier to die than to recover.

Yes, it is possible that Americans who do not have sufficient earnings will envy us for now. As we recall, Soviet medicine, which our liberal government actually ruined today.

Well, we voted for him, now we will reap the benefits. Healing the wounds of cognition with plantain, oak bark and Indian powder, where the monkey might not have spat.

Cheers? Definitely not going to die out?
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  1. +38
    18 December 2019 05: 58
    It is unfortunate, but the government is by no means friends of the people, but vice versa!
    1. -37
      18 December 2019 07: 25
      Something from your words breathed in the 37th year. belay Already goosebumps! I understand that there are enemies all around, but not to the same extent it should be! request
      1. +16
        18 December 2019 07: 31
        Sorry, the friends of the people in the government are not striking!
      2. +19
        18 December 2019 08: 44
        It should not be to such an extent ...
        But there is!
        And not the 37th, but the 20th.
        1920, when it seemed that a complete collapse of everything had come ...
        I would very much like to believe that history is developing in a spiral, and we will have both the 45th victorious and the 61st glorious ..
        I would like, but I can’t believe it.
        Well, I can’t believe it.
        The spiral of time has broken. She straightened up and went abruptly downhill ..
        What are the conclusions?
        All the same. Socio-political.
        You need to vote in the elections yourself, and not on TV, in which Skvortsova and Golikova are with comrades (sorry, gentlemen)
        To get rid of the illusion "the king is good, but the boyars are bad," beloved by entire generations, because fish is an integral organism and if it rots, then all at once ..
        Who are we? The same fish? Right now. In the body of which the parasites are firmly established.
        Compared to all fish, these parasites are negligible.
        But they successfully manage to ruin all our once mighty organism ...
      3. +2
        18 December 2019 09: 25
        Bessmertniy, you seem to have perfect health and all these oohs and oohs do not matter. It turns out somewhere like this: "You can't have mercy to shoot!" Put the comma yourself where you see fit.
    2. +21
      18 December 2019 07: 30
      Good Morning To All! I would like to focus on another problem - the problem of childhood vaccination! What vaccinations are given to our children - no one knows! Up to 80% of vaccines are imported vaccines! There weren’t so many side effects of vaccines before. How they work and what the consequences will be is unknown! Where the Soviet school of microbiology has gone is a mystery! Vaccines produced in the USSR - treated half the world! Delivered even to highly developed countries! For example, field mellitus in Japan was defeated with a vaccine produced in the USSR. This problem, in my opinion, is even more serious than the problem of generics ...
      1. +20
        18 December 2019 08: 04
        Where the Soviet school of microbiology has gone is a mystery! Vaccines produced in the USSR - treated half the world!
        So hello to the market economy and its laws)) Which of the private traders can oppose global pharmaceutical corporations? Previously, this was done by the state of the USSR, investing in the development and production of medicines .. What are you complaining about, because you support the current government-like to ride, love and carry sleds ...
        1. +6
          18 December 2019 11: 44
          I don’t believe that our government won at least one election, except in 2000. My friends from the local administration themselves cursed this authority and at the same time said how the elections are held, everywhere falsification.
          1. 0
            19 December 2019 06: 31
            Quote: akendram
            My friends from the local administration themselves cursed this authority and at the same time said how elections are held, everywhere falsification.
            Did you report them to the police, or are you harboring their crimes?
        2. +10
          18 December 2019 13: 42
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          support the current government, love to ride, love and carry sledges ..
          without going personal, but all support evaporates when personal health problems arise, because the realities do not coincide with the picture from the box
        3. +1
          18 December 2019 17: 24
          Just in Russia they are lobbying their private owners, and foreign drugs are forbidden to import.
      2. +4
        18 December 2019 08: 06
        I can argue here. DTP Mikroorengenovsky is very good which from pertussis of tetanus and diphtheria in my opinion. he raises immunity much stronger. but just because of this, he gives a lot of side effects. paradox but it is) there are a bunch of foreigners they are cleaner and less side effects. but there is another Russian analogue which is more expensive than even French ones. Bubo Coca. he gives all these vaccines in all respects. but also for the price too. makes it NPK Combitech.
        1. -9
          18 December 2019 09: 13
          It is now clear that the matter of tearing our government to pieces is in the reliable hands of the VO forum. wassat laughing wink I wonder what you and Medved will do !? what
          1. +12
            18 December 2019 14: 20
            Yes, it’s not Medvedev’s business, Medvedev is just another jester and acts as a lightning rod so that lightnings do not fall into his boss. And he copes with this role, the more it pays very well.
        2. +5
          18 December 2019 11: 52
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Bubo Coca. he gives all these vaccines in all respects. but also for the price too.

          I looked at the reviews for this drug and the French analogue of the Sanofi "Pentaxim" vaccine. The price is the same, but how it does it, you can look at the number and quality of reviews. 90% recommend imported, and 29% domestic. And according to the Vyshkovsky index, it is far behind.
          1. 0
            18 December 2019 12: 11
            there is more from the fact that few people offer it. French is the opposite. Pentaxim is not advised because, according to many doctors, it has not been tested enough and does not provide the necessary immunity. and Bubo-kok, due to the combined composition, generates immunity from hepatitis B. here it’s better not to rely on the Internet but on a good neurologist for good) so far I have struggled with the hyperactivity of the eldest met with this. now only what he says I do.) so I remembered all this)))
            1. +3
              18 December 2019 12: 53
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Pentaxim is not advised because, according to many doctors, it has not been tested enough and does not provide the necessary immunity.
              Both drugs were registered in Russia at almost the same time as 2008, 2009. People had enough time to experience their effects. In general, the effectiveness of the drug depends on the individual characteristics of the body, the state of the immune system.
              1. 0
                18 December 2019 13: 32
                for which I bought for it and sold it) I only did this neurologist for my vaccination purpose. there was nothing even like collateral. well, except that the older one after each injection was so inflated and sat with such a pug that I almost died of laughter) and the younger one did not seem to notice at all. at the same time, their mothers are different.
                1. +1
                  18 December 2019 14: 27
                  So the inheritance of your immune system has worked.
        3. -2
          18 December 2019 18: 31
          here I can bet

          What is there to argue You are right, and DTP and BCG are very good ours.
          You do not trust foreign if they.

          But in VO, however, the people are very fond of speaking about what they do not know.
          Most of all I liked the pearl 80% of the foreign vaccines.
          This is likely by name, so of course their 5-10 countries do it means from 80 to 90% of the names will be foreign. And so 60 years already. But the brain doesn’t turn on ... Horror what choice - give us only one of our ....
      3. +11
        18 December 2019 09: 08
        good About vaccination: I work in a state organization. Until this year I had not been vaccinated against influenza for 15 years. In the same year I was forced to do it. Everything in an adult way: lists, signatures, vaccinated records. Unpacked preparation. Asked a question about the appointment. They answered simply: "from the flu." Didn't attach any importance. I injected myself to continue working. And then it started: fever, cough, inflamed lymph nodes and weakness. All this continues to this day. Already hooked on antibiotics. Now I ask myself what was actually injected. The situation was the same with the child. They stopped getting the annual flu vaccinations and the child stopped getting sick. I do not want to draw analogies, but the conclusions suggest themselves. Everyone's personal business, of course. But I made a choice in favor of abandoning this procedure.
        1. +2
          18 December 2019 09: 49
          I studied at school still the USSR was. made against ticks. three days walked like a quasimode. the right shoulder rose to the top. the hand does not work. the disabled person is still one. there were three from my class with similar effects.
          1. +4
            19 December 2019 11: 27
            I studied at school still the USSR was. made against ticks.

            Damn, another microbiologist ...
            Not against ticks, but from encephalitis.
            Severe vaccination and is valid for 9 years in total. She is like that now.
            Rejoice that you were not in the Afghan school, there is a multi-component vaccine against encephalitis and tularemia, and God knows what else.
            39.5 three for almost all vaccinated, fever, 10% like yours - slight paralysis.
        2. +4
          18 December 2019 09: 51
          Denis. Previously, vaccinations were done at factories. I remember such a case. We stand in line, waiting for an injection. A doctor comes out and turns to one "What are you standing there. You can't do the same."
        3. +4
          18 December 2019 10: 11
          My son was vaccinated against flu at school. The first time they agreed, because the influenza disappeared, which I pricked the whole family before winter. Not hurt, there was no side effect. After vaccination, he didn’t go for a week, temperature, weakness. AND? Sad article, but that's it, alas ....
        4. +3
          18 December 2019 11: 05
          The situation was the same with the child.

          It was the same with my son when he was 9 years old. The school was vaccinated against flu. In the evening, temperature 40, vomiting, headache. After this incident, neither son nor daughter were vaccinated. Of course, I am not a doctor, but I think that the vaccine is a dead or weakened bacterium. The virus cannot be weakened; it is a reptile in outer space that survives. So flu vaccines are at least useless for vaccinees, but they are very useful for pharmaceutical companies and public procurement organizers.
      4. 0
        18 December 2019 11: 01
        I will support. Just last month, a girl of 8 years old who got vaccinated 3 years ago got sick with whooping cough. And this is not in the taiga wilderness, but in the nearby Moscow region.
        1. 0
          21 December 2019 13: 07
          AND? A single vaccination does not guarantee. Like any vaccine, in itself does not guarantee absolute effectiveness. Moreover, there is no vaccine from the stick, and the symptoms are similar.
          He was vaccinated against hepatitis. There are two of them. The first moved normally, but with the second I drove off a little. Everything is fine, he left the hospital and ... lost himself. I woke up already at home, I got there, I don’t remember, but for some reason it was already evening))
          There can be hundreds of reasons for such a reaction. A poor-quality second vaccine, an individual feature of the body, a poor-quality first - and an immunity reaction to a second qualitative one, maybe I started to get the flu there and planted a vaccine ...
          But the fact that vaccination crushed a huge number of previously serious and fatal infections is a fact. Well, there will always be collateral losses. There is certainly an organism that has responded to an absolutely safe product.
          1. -1
            24 December 2019 08: 53
            Not crushed, but support, there are observations that all epidemic outbreaks of diseases from vaccine strains. pharmaceutical companies "regulate" the process of morbidity - it is not profitable that people do not get sick. and vaccination is a method of introducing biological nanotechnology with far-reaching goals.
            -Yes, vaccination is also a field of testing - product control is entirely on the manufacturer, and how the virus is "inactivated" there by 100% or 90% who knows, for example, there was a scandal with Glaxo Smith Klein, it seems, when a batch of vaccines for Africa was discovered human chorionic gonadotropin - such as a production error - which one. this hCG error does not in any way apply to the vaccine and the control of production conditions is space
            1. 0
              9 January 2020 18: 20
              Then I advise you to visit Africa without vaccination, to live there for half a year in favelas, if the natives are not killed, you will be bent by cholera, malaria or fever.
      5. +10
        18 December 2019 13: 15
        Quote: Hunter 2
        How they work and what the consequences will be is unknown!

        just known .. there and we

        Quote: Hunter 2
        Where the Soviet school of microbiology has gone is a mystery!

        what riddle is destroyed

        Quote: Hunter 2
        This problem, in my opinion, is even more serious than the problem of generics ...

        both issues are crucial. since they cripple adults with generics, and children with vaccines. And from sick adult healthy children can not be
      6. +3
        18 December 2019 17: 19
        There are no mysteries in the country of victorious capitalism! The only mystery is that President Putin insists that the existing system is the choice of the people, and I, as part of this people, can say that it’s not mine, but the choice imposed on me and sooner or later the pygmies from above or their descendants will have to answer for the affairs of the parents. truth.
        1. +3
          18 December 2019 19: 45
          Putin simply does not specify what kind of people. For him, the people are Rottenbergs, Deripaska and other thieves-privatizers. This people is happy and until recently felt pretty good.
      7. +1
        18 December 2019 18: 25
        What vaccinations are given to our children - no one knows! Up to 80% of vaccines are imported vaccines!

        What are you doing?
        And to hell, do you vaccinate your children with FOREIGN vaccines if you do not trust them?
        There are 2 mandatory vaccinations for DTP and BCG, both being made in the Russian Federation.
        Now they are going to make the compulsory against flu - also in the Russian Federation.
      8. -2
        19 December 2019 09: 49
        Quote: Hunter 2

        What vaccinations are given to our children - no one knows! Up to 80% of vaccines are imported vaccines!


        If the vaccine-producing country is a member of NATO, it is predictable that there will be side effects.
    3. 0
      18 December 2019 10: 42
      He's lying! Well, this cannot be in the best country in the world where all the highest quality is produced !!! He is an agent of the State Department!
    4. 0
      18 December 2019 12: 49
      hi Well, from the government to expect benefits, as a second coming. Vaccinations against influenza ... it is better Mr. Kashpirovsky. The flu virus is new every epidemic, that is. constantly mutating. It is physically impossible to create a vaccine for each season. It remains to rely on immunity, but lightly! to help him.
      This is where the whole catastrophe lies. Where the government and doctors practically have nothing to do with. Self-treatment. The people eat antibiotics themselves, without the recommendation of a specialist, and worse than that they feed handfuls of children, even small ones. After all, on the forum "Nyasha" wrote "All-Mighty" helped them Nobody thinks about the consequences of this. But everything crawls out over time. It's sad.
      1. -1
        18 December 2019 21: 33
        Influenza virus every epidemic is new, i.e. constantly mutates.


        Not true. New scam are varieties of old, for the most part, and vaccinations do not change.

        It is physically impossible to create a vaccination for each season.


        Also not true. Each season, the vaccine is supplemented with new cheeses, if there are any, and if not, then it can last 2-3 years.
        1. +2
          18 December 2019 22: 11
          hi Without much bragging! You know, T-lymphocytes, together with HIV, etc., I went somewhere between the 6th and 8th grade of the BSSR school at the most beautiful candidate of biological sciences. So you are past. Read scientific papers, instead of VIKI, and look for our immunity there.
          1. -1
            19 December 2019 10: 27
            together with HIV


            My respect, but the HIV virus is a mutating retrovirus and not equivalent to influenza.

            Read scientific papers, instead of WIKI,


            And I have Vicki at home. Mom is a doctor, an epidemiologist, so I ask when I need it. hi
    5. +4
      18 December 2019 14: 54
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It is unfortunate, but the government is by no means friends of the people, but vice versa!

      And did you naively believe that our oligarchs are better than the western oligarchs? They divide the spheres of influence, markets, and so on ... the peoples of the countries, not only the Russian Federation, but a screen that should provide these nits with security in the form of armies, fleets and service personnel of the Strategic Missile Forces. Dot.
      As for the population, everything is done as necessary. So that people do not get very rearing up.
      What about the article ...
      Actually, I have not discovered and will not discover anything new, the collapse that was initiated in all the ministries, why did I have to pass by the Ministry of Health? Why is this department worse?

      Since 91, citizens like Soros have systematically and purposefully done what they wanted with our education. And citizens like Bayer, with medicine. And there are many such citizens. Our bureaucrats talk to the people about the systematic and successful import substitution, but in reality, everything is not as rosy as the bureaucrats present.
      And these citizens, in the form of Soros, Bayer, etc., are much worse for us than all NATO missiles directed in our direction, since we do not have protection from their activities in fact.
      1. 0
        18 December 2019 21: 40
        And did you naively believe that our oligarchs are better than the western oligarchs?


        Nexus... laughing.... Western capitalists have become so working, providing a product, paying large salaries to workers, etc., etc.

        Your oligarchs rushed from rags to riches yesterday. Well, they built themselves feudal capitalism. So use Western capitalists for comparisons when you get a salary of $ 100K.
        1. +1
          18 December 2019 22: 26
          hi And you by. As far as I remember, in honest production of something, three generations are needed at least in order to achieve "what they deserve." And those individuals from the West whom you described just did not live a day in Moscow, for example, with its freedoms. Otherwise, nothing at all would pay and there would be at least six Chelsea teams smile
        2. +3
          18 December 2019 22: 38
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          So use Western capitalists for comparisons when you get a salary of $ 100K.

          wassat And you, a naive Tambov youth, believe that Western salaries and work from morning to the end of the blackboard are the direct limit of dreams and personal freedom? You do not nod to the owner on whom the laborer (namely the laborer), not only to go on vacation, but even to afford what you want, you can’t. For 16 hours to farm like a draft horse, so that later we can proudly say, and we have civilized capitalism. Funny you, by golly.
          Everything on credit, from home to car. All the blessings of life, only you have to pay for them all your life. And the uncle capitalist understands this. Just do not understand why you do not understand. You are a granny, a slave on a plantation, and not a free man. That’s how this system is conceived - some get richer and decide when you eat, drink, drive a car and even make children, while others talk about super-duper salaries, being a bonded laborer who was given, as a child, a small illusion of prosperity and success.
          What difference does capitalism have if the main law is that some people get rich at the expense of others? And I very much doubt that you are one of those who warm your belly in the Bahamas while your farm laborers increase your capital.
          1. +1
            19 December 2019 10: 04
            do you naive Tambov youth believe that Western salaries and work from morning to the end of the blackboard is the direct limit of dreams and personal freedom?


            laughing Let the Nexus, explain to me and give a definition of freedom and your, personal limit of dreams ... :)

            You are without nodding to the owner on whom the laborer (namely the laborer),


            But they didn’t guess. I have my own business - I am the owner, I am an employee. laughing

            For 16 hours to farm like a draft horse, so that later we can proudly say, and we have civilized capitalism.


            Have mercy Nexus .... at the end of the 18th century, the working day in England was 11,3 hours. In 1872 (if I remember it well) the Australian workers had already beaten out an 8-hour working day. Where exactly in the West did you see a 16 hour work day?
            1. 0
              19 December 2019 10: 09
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              But they didn’t guess. I have my own business - I am the owner, I am an employee.

              I'm laughing at you. wassat What kind of boss are you? You're a laborer. To be more precise, a bit more nosy and business-like than farm laborers working for you. You will be satisfied with the crisis, squeezed by taxes and you will go around the world. But the real masters of life are taxes, crises, etc. on the drum, because they themselves arrange crises, draw money and give you the illusion that you are supposed to be the master of life. wassat
              He is the master ... I cannot. laughing
              1. +1
                19 December 2019 10: 16
                Nexus ... I asked you a specific question - describe your limit of dreams and freedom. You have run into a stereotyped parable.

                Then I asked you where you saw the 16 hour work day, suspecting that you were again thrashing through the field. You answered again and you do not know what.

                I’m going to be hired, I don’t dare to reproach your statements. Good day.
      2. 0
        18 December 2019 22: 13
        Alas, that's right. The oligarchs and officials of different states will come to an agreement in case of danger, but it’s difficult to agree with the peoples. They cannot stop cashing in on people.
    6. +5
      18 December 2019 18: 41
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It is unfortunate, but the government is by no means friends of the people, but vice versa!

      The main ideologist of the destruction of the social sphere:
      1. +2
        18 December 2019 19: 13
        Yes, what kind of ideologist is he, for example, the talking head and the ass on duty of those in power, who aloud cannot outline their plans for obvious reasons. The whipping boy, though it’s not clear why so far his people haven’t thanked him for the pen.reform .. I’m guarded if he’s been put to him, they don’t let anyone in ?.
        1. +4
          18 December 2019 20: 04
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          Yes, what kind of ideologist is he, so the talking head and the ass on duty of those in power,

          You shouldn’t be so!
          Director of the Research Financial Institute (NIFI) of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation Vladimir Nazarov. Not just a developer, but also an active lobbyist-propagandist.
          Studied at the Finance Academy under the Government of the Russian Federation with a degree in State and Municipal Administration, Master of Public Administration courses at the University of Western Ontario (Canada), after which he completed an internship at the Ministry of Finance of Canada. He also graduated from the English Language Institute (UK). He was invited to the E. T. Gaidar Institute for the Economy in Transition (later - the E. T. Gaidar Institute for Economic Policy). He gave many years to the Gaidar Institute.
          Deputy Director for Science, Institute of Social Analysis and Forecasting, RANEPA under the President of the Russian Federation. Member of the Board of the Ministry of Finance, member of the Expert Council under the Government of the Russian Federation. Member of the Committee of Civil Initiatives Alexei Kudrin.
          He was awarded the Order of Friendship by President D. Medvedev - "for his great contribution to the development of Russia's socio-economic strategy until 2020".
          Included in the first hundred reserve management staff.
          Only thirty five years old!
      2. +1
        18 December 2019 19: 37
        Quote: Silvestr
        The main ideologist of the destruction of the social sphere:

        And who is so smart in the photo?
        1. +5
          18 December 2019 20: 05
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And who is so smart in the photo?

          Vladimir Nazarov
          1. +3
            18 December 2019 20: 35
            So what, of course, a little boy is savvy at liberal forges, but you need to pay attention to his senior powerful tavasis, such as a co-author and lobbyist penny. Reform of Senator Klishas. Without this frame, the boy is out of work.
      3. +1
        18 December 2019 22: 16
        And what is this bloke?
    7. 0
      19 December 2019 23: 28
      Interesting data on salaries in "80 thousand", yes, I get these 80, but this is 1.75 rates with duties and percentages of paid services, categories and so on. And the salary is only 36, of which 20 is a bonus, so believe the "2012% in the region" promised back in 200 ...
  2. -2
    18 December 2019 06: 03
    How does the "company" differ from the Chinese, do everyone remember? But with medicines the same thing is perfect. But cheaper.

    Bayer aspirin is more chemically pure than Soviet aspirin. That is why it is much more harmful. Stupidly hits the mucous membrane of the stomach. The funny thing is, they knew about it at Baer. But - marketing-S! It's easier to sell by howling that "it's cleaner"! For woodpeckers. who believe, for example, in Musk's fairy tales - that's enough:
    * Not rashka
    * He is cleaner.
    * How harmful? Get out! Baer cannot lie!
    So never
    But with medicines the same thing is perfect.
    That's just where we have so far the farmlobies are somehow keeping within the framework. In Europe, control over it is minimal; in the USA, it has been gone for nearly a hundred years. They quite officially put on drugs, not to mention the fact that it is accepted there that the clinic officially cooperates with any company and CRAZES the product from the sponsor for nothing.
    Another thing is that not everything was done even in the USSR. The same No-Shpu. And in the Russian Federation they will never do everything. But just replacing is NECESSARY. In the wake of the 90s, so much has piled on us! The same "children's panadol" - got it in due time. But the Russian one almost survived, simply by advertising and agreement with pharmacies. If he survived, it would be crazy, German costs roughly 100 rubles, Russian - 10 kopecks. The order was exactly like this
    1. +4
      18 December 2019 09: 14
      So reduce the dosage. Pure aspirin is not like it! Drink the Chinese city ... O. The control over the pharmacological sector in Europe and the USA is fierce. Do not write that which you have no idea.
      1. -1
        18 December 2019 15: 12
        Ingenious! Not in the dosage, but in the pressure sore on the mucous membrane. Pure dissolves longer. Those. first irritation, then gastritis, then an ulcer.
    2. 0
      18 December 2019 10: 45
      Just the same Soviet aspirin burned the stomach! The Baerovskys, by the way, have a special shell and it does not harm the stomach as much as Soviet aspirin! For other drugs, you need to understand that the pharmacology of the Russian Federation is not able to produce high-quality drugs! Just like in the USSR there were no good medicines and they got in the west!
      1. +4
        18 December 2019 13: 46
        Quote: Alex Rex
        pharmacology of the Russian Federation

        But does it exist? Packaging does not count
        1. 0
          18 December 2019 14: 03
          Virtually nonexistent!
    3. +4
      18 December 2019 12: 04
      Quote: Uhu
      For woodpeckers.

      For woodpeckers, aspirin is produced in powders or "naked" tablets, and for normal people in a film-coated film that dissolves in the intestines, not in the stomach.
      1. 0
        18 December 2019 15: 08
        And normal people rarely get sick, lead a healthy lifestyle and don’t drink any shit under the guise of drugs.
      2. 0
        18 December 2019 15: 17
        I gave an example when pharmacists KNEW about the dangers of the given dosage form - and continued to drive it to the masses! I can continue - this is a lot in the foreign lands. Powders, s from a cold seen in an ad? Better go a liter of vodka with a sandwich - a blow to the liver from a horse's dose of vitamin C is the same. But at least the pancreas does not touch
        1. +2
          18 December 2019 15: 51
          Quote: Uhu
          an example when pharmacists KNEW about the dangers of a given dosage form - and continued to drive it to the masses!

          Where to read this "knew", in evidence, and not just words? I hope you didn’t come up with it yourself.
          1. +1
            18 December 2019 15: 56
            In the dosage of medicinal substances in these "antigrippins". If it's not enough, then go to the medical institute - and study for 7 years. That's why farmlobby sucks, that the TV, not understanding nichrome in it - no one climbs to fix it. But in a much more complex organism - everything is perfectly dragged! That's what the advertisement is designed for - gobble up a horse dose of a vitamin with the smell of "environmentally friendly" green tea ... And you're all hurt! They don't even hide it:
            Coldrex. Help with colds and flu.
            Contains more vitamin C than lemon *
            Great, woodpeckers, eat, you don't need hypervitaminosis! And we will sell you with pleasure! We're not - tfu - vanyuy safkas! And that you do not understand nichrome, what is bad, but believe the TV, and not the doctor - who are you evil Pinocchio? Furthermore. we wrote directly - "help", not "treatment". He does not heal at all. Symptoms. Disease camouflage.
        2. +2
          18 December 2019 19: 44
          Quote: Uhu
          Powders, s from a cold seen in an ad? Better go a liter of vodka sandwiched

          Yeah, from colds - vodka with pepper, from the stomach - vodka with salt, and the sore head itself will pass. laughing
          1. +4
            18 December 2019 20: 06
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            from the stomach - vodka with salt

            better vodka with pepper (peas). Checked! good
      3. -1
        18 December 2019 15: 35
        For woodpeckers, aspirin is produced in powders or "naked" tablets, and for normal people in a film-coated film that dissolves in the intestines, not in the stomach.


        We need both that and that. Uncoated aspirin is rapidly absorbed in the stomach and rapidly "thin the blood." After 50 years, you should always have it with you (and nitroglycerin) so that you can drink it right away with an attack of heart pain. An ulcer will not develop from one tablet, the main thing is to chew and drink more.
        Aspirin in a shell for those who need to drink for life every day, this is if the heart attack has already covered. It is also produced here, for example, "Acecardol".
  3. +7
    18 December 2019 06: 08
    If we touch upon the issues of medical education in medical educational institutions, then it will become even worse! And individual "doctors" will not be smarter at least how much they pay. And the most unpleasant thing is that the problem cannot be solved right tomorrow. It's just that, in my subjective opinion, there is no one .... Or maybe nobody needs it. "everything is just like that, except money."
    1. +4
      18 December 2019 07: 28
      The treatment costs so much that it doesn't pay for itself. Either it is necessary to actively self-medicate, or, in a difficult case,! Redirect funding "on its last journey. There are also crazy expenses.
      1. +2
        18 December 2019 12: 18
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Treatment costs so much that it does not pay for itself. Or you need to actively self-medicate,

        I am of the opinion that medicine is required, first of all, to make an accurate diagnosis. If I am self-medicating, I prefer to compare the prescribed drug for efficacy, safety and demand index on one site, where you can compare the drugs belonging to this group for these indicators. In the future, the choice depends on finances.
        1. +6
          18 December 2019 18: 42
          Quote: WIKI
          ...
          from medicine, first of all, an accurate diagnosis is required.
          1. -1
            19 December 2019 10: 12
            Quote: Silvestr

            from medicine, first of all, an accurate diagnosis is required.


            And if the diagnosis is unclear, then put any suitable.
            With hypertension, they do not find anything at all - on any tests, or on x-rays. They don’t find anything at all with hypertension, except for elevated pressure figures. Because hypertension is an imbalance in the vascular system, which has not yet been manifested except for numbers. And the tests are all normal.

            Here is the definition of official medicine: "Primary (essential, idiopathic, hypertension of an unknown nature, essential hypertension) is a persistent increase in blood pressure (BP) in the absence of a definite clear cause. This disease is independent, with a chronic course, in which high blood pressure is the only symptom Moreover, this increase is in no way associated with pathology in other organs that regulate pressure in a healthy body. "

            "Idiopathic (Idiopathic) term is used in relation to a disease or condition of a person, which is caused by an unknown cause or arose spontaneously - Idiopathy (idiopalhy).

            How then do doctors treat when they don’t know what the pressure is from?
            And that's how they treat it - according to the prescribed instructions, prescribing tablets with a side effect.
            1. +4
              19 December 2019 14: 01
              Quote: Minato2020
              How then do doctors treat when they don’t know what the pressure is from?

              you’ll further study the issue, and so is a superficial judgment
              1. 0
                12 September 2021 17: 26
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: Minato2020

                How then do doctors treat when they don’t know what the pressure is from?

                You will study the question further, and so is a superficial judgment


                And the further the study, the greater the misunderstanding, how do doctors treat, if they cannot make the correct diagnosis - at random?
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      1. -2
        18 December 2019 14: 28
        Therefore, churches are being built at such an accelerated pace, probably rulers think that priests will replace doctors.
  4. +13
    18 December 2019 06: 10
    And here it becomes clear as a white day the so-called “Topilin list”, which involves the accelerated issuance of Russian citizenship to people who have medical professions.
    Already, already. A surgeon from Tajikistan came to the CRH (north of the Khabarovsk Territory). But doctors of other specialties do not even have time to get there: while they are applying for citizenship in Khabarovsk (or the right to work - xs; but it takes two months), they manage to be lured away by the southern districts of the Hub. the edges. So the "plan" works, and how.
    1. +6
      18 December 2019 08: 46
      We have a surgeon from Tajikistan at the Central Hospital

      We have a children's district doctor - Central Asian. More than ten years in this position. Started with us a minibus driver. The doctor is arithmetic average, but a worthy person. At first, the mothers were shocked by him, then they calmed down. This is the outback of the Nizhny Novgorod region.
      1. +2
        18 December 2019 18: 36
        We have a children's district doctor - Central Asia

        And what do you think all Central Asians are stupid and lazy?
        Believe me, you are mistaken. It’s here in VO that our homegrown Natsik writes like that, all the famous names ...
  5. +8
    18 December 2019 06: 31
    "No less interesting fact, like the rapidly emptying state clinics" .... ??

    I didn't notice at all. "Budget queues" for 1,5-2 months, even with serious illnesses. For 1000r. officially - without queuing and with the same quality, by the same doctors, in the same offices.

    ps Who invented these meaningless compulsory medical insurance? (Only copier owners are happy laughing ).
    1. +15
      18 December 2019 07: 24
      Good afternoon!
      The point is that state clinics are rapidly emptying of specialists, not patients.
      1. +6
        18 December 2019 10: 30
        The fish seeks where it is deeper, and the man where it is better.
        It seems to be impossible to reproach this doctor. But you cannot put up with such ugliness either. We must not allow a person of the most humane profession to make a cult of earnings from this profession, forgetting about the oath of Hippocrates.
        My recent case. He came to the clinic to a gastroenterologist with a gastrointestinal tract problem. The doctor listened in five minutes, looked at my previous tests and delivered a verdict: I have a psychological problem that exacerbates everyone else.
        Okay. A week later, I find out that a private clinic is operating in the area. I make an appointment with a gastroenterologist, come to the reception and - who do I see? That's right, the same doctor from the clinic. But!
        What relation! He wears it on his hands. I wrote out a bunch of examinations, and, all in the case, I then consulted with another doctor for a guarantee. After the analyzes, she prescribed an sensible course of treatment, she did not stutter about the psychological problem.
        It turns out that such doctors are working on two fronts. Some sort of multi-tool. Moreover, in the clinic they are only serving the service, spitting on the needs of the patient, and in private clinics they earn money.
        And we cry: we need to increase the salary of poor doctors! Doctors will not disappear, checked.
        I am silent about gifts and bribes to them.
        But the worst situation with drugs.
        And it’s not even a matter of generics. This is not so bad.
        The trouble is that often instead of medicine you buy ordinary chalk. Apparently, our state decided in practice to test the placebo effect on us.
        After all, it is hard to believe that law enforcement agencies are not aware of such cases. Rather, on the contrary, these dealers are protected.
        1. +3
          18 December 2019 11: 40
          Yes, they do.
          At one time, talking with employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the prosecutor’s office more than once I received information that all drug dealers, their distribution schemes, etc. well known, a shop can be covered throughout the territory of the Russian Federation for a month, but there would be political will .... And political will is engaged in exactly the opposite, unfortunately.
    2. +7
      18 December 2019 07: 32
      Compulsory medical insurance is when medicine is sold at an exorbitant cost - at the expense of the budget, for your cash, and in some cases, doctors also rely on gratitude in the form of gifts for some miracle, for example, when a patient, despite merciless treatment, somehow survived . what
    3. +2
      18 December 2019 20: 01
      "Invented" Gaidar and his team. I remember very well that they themselves did not know why, and the only argument was "in the West, that is." But the meaning was found very quickly. This is colossal money concentrated in one place. Uncontrolled spending, a lot of highly paid loafers. The meaning of the compulsory medical insurance is the same as that of the FIU - to give "its" highly paid jobs with the ability to shamelessly steal. Nothing else can be invented here.
  6. +7
    18 December 2019 06: 32
    Today, an appeal to the clinic is akin to roulette - you are lucky, not lucky, as it falls out. It happens that the diagnosis will be made correctly and the necessary treatment will be prescribed. And sometimes they struggle with a diagnosis as if they had finished nursing courses and as a result - cancer of the last degree and there is no need to treat it.
  7. +15
    18 December 2019 06: 36
    This is from Novosibirsk.
    About model medicine from Mrs. Skvortsova


    In one of her speeches, the Minister of Healthcare called Russian health care "reference". And what is actually happening can be seen by reading numerous reviews and complaints on various sites and social networks.

    In fact, the shortage of doctors, especially of narrow specialties, has long exceeded all conceivable and unimaginable limits. For example, in the Russian Federation, there are not enough 45000 oncologists ... As a result, patients are forced to wait for months at the doctor’s appointment.

    But, having got to the doctor, the patient is surprised to see that he is often much more busy filling in some data on the computer than the patient himself. And the temporary admission standards and the already mentioned personnel shortage make unhappy doctors work in their office like on a real sweatshop conveyor ...

    Not only that, getting into the clinic, you still have to stand in lines in the registry. And having already made an appointment, we can expect that the number of seats in the corridors, especially in old clinics, is much less than the number of patients waiting for an appointment ... It would seem that it can be easier than providing at least that? However, the minds of medical officials are preoccupied with far more different innovations than with such petty issues.

    Upon closer examination of the problem, it turns out that the chief physicians of medical institutions are responsible for staffing with medical personnel. It is hard to say what role the federal and regional ministries of health play in this process. Head doctors regularly submit data on the presence and absence of medical staff to higher authorities and listen to the words of reproach addressed to them.

    The Ministry of Education is responsible for the training and education of doctors in educational institutions. It seems that there are some joint training programs for doctors agreed by the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Education, but the results of their implementation are also difficult to see how to see the moon with a microscope. But the full formation of a doctor occurs within 10-15 years after graduation ...

    Thus, the lack of a unified and centralized approach to medicine, in fact, if it has not yet led to a catastrophe in Russian health care, it is already very close to this state.

    Is it any wonder, after all that has been said, about the demographic crisis and the excess of mortality rates over birth rates? Indeed, instead of sinking to earth and dealing with primary health care, officials enthusiastically report about "optimization", reduction of the number of beds and the opening of more and more centers of the so-called "advanced" medicine. And nothing that there are no specialists in them, and expensive equipment is idle, or even completely out of order.

    Here is just one example of reviews about the work of domestic medicine, which can be read on the site "Big Novosibirsk":

    - Hello, please help me figure out why the line of appointment with doctors is extended indefinitely. We are residents of the village of Borovoye and belong to the Novosibirsk region and the Novosibirsk region, we seem to have the right to help and Vashnilovskoy hospital and region. hospitals. But the situation is the next entry to the doctors and wait for six months or longer. I have a child who is allergic and should have seen an appointment with a pulmonologist 3 months later (they were in March), signed up and are still waiting in line, we should have an ultrasound of the joints in three weeks after the treatment with another child, and we have been waiting for 2 months already turn (child up to a year). Thank.

    Spelling author saved.

    Well, what about the reference medicine, huh?
    1. +1
      19 December 2019 07: 14
      Quote: avia12005
      Is it any wonder, after all that has been said, about the demographic crisis and the excess of mortality rates over birth rates? After all, instead of sinking to earth and dealing with primary health care, officials enthusiastically report on "optimization"
      In order to have 10 children in the family, do you need any special official? It turns out that at the beginning of the 20th century he was still in RI, but disappeared in the USSR and the Russian Federation? Is there such an official in BV and India, but not in Europe and the USA? Not everything can be hanged on officials; you have to do something yourself.
      1. 0
        19 December 2019 10: 23
        Quote: sniperino
        In order to have 10 children in the family, do you need any special official?


        Until the abolition of serfdom in the Republic of Ingushetia, serfs did not have many children - children could be taken for sale.

        After the abolition of serfdom in RI, the birth rate jumped and 7-9 children in the family did not surprise anyone.

        Now in the Russian Federation serfdom is of a new order, therefore, having many children, and indeed having children, is a futile task.
        1. +1
          19 December 2019 10: 57
          Quote: Minato2020
          Now in the Russian Federation serfdom is of a new order, therefore, having many children, and indeed having children, is a futile task.
          The crisis did not begin today, but in the 70s of the 20th century. What serfdom was there and what terrible prospects were there? And before the revolution in the beginning. The 20th century, it turns out, there were great prospects ... The problem in your demography.
          1. 0
            19 December 2019 11: 06
            Quote: sniperino

            ... and in the 70s. What serfdom was there and what terrible prospects were there?


            Registration - as an option of serfdom, the prospect of not having affordable housing.

            From about the 80s of the 1861th century, when it became clear that serfdom would not return after the abolition in XNUMX, the number of children in peasant families increased.
            1. +1
              19 December 2019 11: 18
              Quote: Minato2020
              Registration - as an option of serfdom, the prospect of not having affordable housing.
              Don't give it ... a fever! A private house with coal and wood heating, with amenities in the courtyard, but in the normal area of ​​the regional center, where I lived until I was 15, was sold by my parents in 1974 for 1 (one!) Thousand rubles, when we moved further from the center, but to a cooperative apartment. A simple hard worker could save up 1 thousand in a year, living in a hostel. About the "version of serfdom" tell those "flyers" who drove around the USSR for a long ruble
  8. +5
    18 December 2019 06: 42
    up there these shortsighted hope that they and their children will not touch the candle
    1. +13
      18 December 2019 07: 41
      Quote: Ryaruav
      up there these shortsighted hope that they and their children will not touch the candle

      And it definitely will not affect them and their children! This medicine is what they built for us, for ordinary citizens of Russia.
  9. +14
    18 December 2019 07: 00
    Often you read comments like: We'll smash the US ... We'll show NATO, let them just stick in in case of war ... Well, they stick in ... And what will we treat, with "screwdriver" drugs? Medicines, equipment, smuggled in.? ... Now it becomes clear why a healthy lifestyle is promoted ... It is very expensive to get treatment ...
    1. -2
      18 December 2019 15: 15
      We have been doing our medical equipment for a long time and vaccines and other consumables.
      1. 0
        19 December 2019 23: 15
        Do we also do tomographs with ultrasound? Oh well..
    2. -1
      18 December 2019 20: 05
      Why should they meddle? They will destroy us through vaccinations. By the way, the development of vaccines in the United States passes through the military. Not weird?
      1. 0
        19 December 2019 10: 30
        Quote: at84432384

        They will destroy us through vaccinations. By the way, the development of vaccines in the United States passes through the military. Not weird?


        Vaccine procurement for the Russian Federation is carried out by which agency - health?
  10. +13
    18 December 2019 07: 42
    By chance, a SOVIET bandage remained.

    Guess what "increased density" Russian bandage and what Soviet one? wink
    "It would be funny if it weren't sad."
    1. +5
      18 December 2019 08: 59
      Honestly, there were problems with the quality of drugs before
      and not only with indian or chinese
      1. +11
        18 December 2019 09: 22
        Of course they were. The question is how they tried to solve them.
        Photo of bandages is an illustration of the difference between the Soviet GOST and the modern one, even more so. So in everything, in medicine, it is most blasphemous. A humane profession, however. Soviet standards make it difficult to cut the "loot".
        "Volodin explained to Skvortsova why in most regions doctors do not receive 80 thousand rubles.".
        https://news.mail.ru/society/39889485/?frommail=1
        Here, America discovered! Now in state medicine everything will change dramatically! wink
        PS Almost every day about "guaranteed" pensions. The guarantees were signed by Vladimir Putin himself, once again "freezing" pension savings.
        Here, in France, they "froze" their pension reform. Dare to raise the age to 64 years. A total of 806 thousand people took to the streets. wink
        1. +13
          18 December 2019 09: 31
          France is generally very gentle on working
          35 hours workweek, 5 weeks off
          if the working week is 39 hours, then plus 2 weeks for vacation
          and nothing in France fell apart from this, companies work, and work profitably
          The French need to learn how to defend their rights
          1. +6
            18 December 2019 09: 37
            Quote: Avior
            The French need to learn how to defend their rights

            "Who is to blame? What to do?" wink
            A political system in which even the Communist Party does not propagate its ideas. It seems that he was not born yet a man in Russia, capable of leading the movement for the rights of the people. Yes, and we are in no hurry to protest.
            1. +3
              18 December 2019 09: 47
              A protester for his rights is a liberal, not a statesman.
              But in Russia this is a curse ... smile
              1. +5
                18 December 2019 09: 49
                Quote: Avior
                A protester for his rights is a liberal, not a statesman.
                But in Russia this is a curse ...

                We are able to hang up labels! wink
                1. 0
                  18 December 2019 15: 34
                  Only some of our citizens can call names and know how.
                  Meanwhile, the French government against the background of mass protests and strikes made significant concessions to the population.
                  Now the French will be able to retire at age 62, but citizens will be motivated to work until they are 64 years old. With full work experience, the French will be able to claim a guaranteed pension of € 1 thousand.
                  https://www.rbc.ru/politics/11/12/2019/5df103529a7947dfd595d94a
                  The Rodzina 500+ project in Poland is financial support for parents to increase fertility. Every month, the state pays 500 zlotys (127 euros) of benefits every month for each child under 18 years of age.
                  https://poland2day.com/ru/kak-poluchit-detskie-vyplaty-po-programme-semya-500-v-polshe/

                  Well, have you seen how they live in France, in Poland? And the minimum pension of one thousand euros? This is how to compare with us? We never dreamed of this. Against the background of such a life in Europe, we are horrified, they are simply destroying us. And then the pro-Kremlin trolls sing about some superiority of us over them.
                  But in Poland and France there is no gas and oil, and how do they live like that? We sell it to them! And we are beggars?
            2. +3
              18 December 2019 10: 48
              So after all, you will begin to protest and defend your rights, they will declare you a liberal and begin to poison!
              1. +11
                18 December 2019 12: 16
                Quote: Alex Rex
                So after all, you will begin to protest and defend your rights, they will declare you a liberal and begin to poison!

                Please do not slander how much in vain. Everyone knows that no one will poison you. Just something a democratizer on the back pulled, well, maybe even broken legs. And all the business, no particular harm to the health of the protester and not happen.
                In contrast to an abandoned plastic cup or plastic bottle in the representative of the fairest government. Here everything will already be serious and the damage to the imperious body will be enormous: unbearable moral suffering and all that.

                PS This is not France, it is not at all easy to protest in the "fairest" country under the most "popular" president in the world. In Moscow, people even for just walking and talking on the phone snatched away (and with truncheons and deadlines), everyone saw it. hi
                1. +4
                  18 December 2019 12: 40
                  Nothing to argue! Everything you said to the point! Therefore, doctors in the Russian Federation, in order to achieve justice, hold Italian strikes or massively quit! I put you a plus!
    2. +1
      18 December 2019 09: 45
      Optimization!
  11. +1
    18 December 2019 07: 46
    Repeat is worth it. Russian medicine is not a continuation of the Soviet one. This is a completely different medicine, it is not better than the Soviet one in principle, but what will happen next will only get worse.

    Obvious and probable!
    It is clear that health must be protected from a young age !!! then you probably will live up to ... but what about those who are unlucky and only medicine can maintain an acceptable state of health? Not everything depends on a person.
    We must either admit / accept that our state is not socially DIRECTED, or ... why do we need such a state?
    After all, the state is WE, and they are like hired leaders / organizers of structures that ensure normal functioning, ensuring US !!!
    If the functions are not performed, the adjustment or replacement of the one that does not perform what is due occurs.
    1. +9
      18 December 2019 07: 57
      Here in the article, Roman mentioned Moscow and Peter. Polyclinic 52, Moscow. There is no cardiologist! No. In general. Partial doctors ... I do not want to write about sad things. What was interesting literally ten or twelve years ago was a pretty decent clinic. And the doctors were. to blame? Chief physician? And maybe the years of the so-called * reforms *?
      1. -4
        18 December 2019 08: 19
        Quote: Phil77
        Or maybe the years of the so-called * reforms *?

        Maybe \ can't reform to blame ???
        What does this give us? We need to look to the future ... but everything there is either foggy or a swamp in which we can drown.
        PS ... we do not say on the periphery that everything is sour and final, but difficult, it's a fact!
        Although, APTEC divorced so much that it was impossible to imagine before! I remember when there was 1 pharmacy in a small regional center like that !!! But in our working village the feldsher station now works and an ambulance arrives, in time, quite acceptable! This also cannot be denied.
        In short, we will not die alive ... especially if we are able to convey to those holding power that the country is WE !!!
        1. 0
          18 December 2019 15: 40
          In short, we will not die alive

          Pink optimism. Since people are dying faster than bureaucrats in power, because they have special food, special treatment, special services, etc.
          1. +1
            18 December 2019 18: 51
            The main thing is doctors! Doctors of a completely different level!
            1. 0
              18 December 2019 19: 13
              Quote: Phil77
              The main thing is doctors! Doctors of a completely different level!

              Doctors of a different level, and at least some, cannot appear from the air. Hence many questions arise ....
              1. +1
                18 December 2019 19: 21
                Victor! Concretize your thought. Fan-Fan wrote that the bureaucrats have a higher level of medical care than those present here. I added a phrase about doctors of a different weight category. Do you disagree?
                1. +1
                  18 December 2019 19: 35
                  Sergei. I did not understand your idea correctly.
                  The fact that the elite and toastopuses can buy a lot for their babosiks is understandable ...
                  Yes, a lot of other things because of the wild inequality, which we nestled!
                  It turns out the SYSTEM gave rise to INEQUALITY, or vice versa, not the point. the main thing is that this is a single whole, without losing that, we will not be able to change our life.
                2. +5
                  18 December 2019 20: 07
                  Quote: Phil77
                  ... the bureaucrats have a different level of medical care ...

                  naturally!
                3. 0
                  19 December 2019 10: 39
                  Quote: Phil77

                  Fan-Fan wrote that the bureaucrats' level of medical care is at a different level than ours here.


                  At a completely different level.

                  "... Russian federal authorities - in particular, the Rosgvardia, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense and the FSB - over the past three years have purchased about 117 thousand packages of the antiviral drug Kagocel, the main active ingredient of which is a copolymer of gossypol, which causes infertility in men. attention of the Daily Storm publication with reference to information from the public procurement website ...

                  ... The main active ingredient of "Kagocel" is a copolymer of gossypol. Gossypol is a natural polyphenol. The substance inhibits spermatogenesis, and therefore it was tested as an oral contraceptive for men. The tests revealed a high toxicity of the substance, as well as the appearance of irreversible infertility in the subjects in 20 percent of cases ... "

                  https://lenta.ru/news/2019/12/05/cago/
          2. 0
            18 December 2019 19: 11
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Pink optimism.

            What optimism? Yes, he did not wear pink glasses, he was joking.
            We will not be alive according to, but in spite of ... we will have to do and change the SYSTEM, because this system wants to ruin us.
            There, on a nearby branch, they are proposing to get together in the party, everyone who is registered here in VO and who shares ideas ... though they haven’t yet explained what and how. We will wait for the next manifesto.
        2. 0
          18 December 2019 20: 23
          The only way to convey something to an irresponsible power is to simply shake it from the boots and give a kick. There is no other way. Tomorrow, the Great Storyteller at the press conference will answer the questions posed in advance and tell us how we live well, how healthcare is improving, import substitution is going on, the welfare of the PEOPLE is growing (which and where, will not be specified), etc. etc. And he knows all that well, but he is brazenly lying. Because we allow it. While we allow, this will continue.
          1. 0
            18 December 2019 21: 46
            Quote: at84432384
            While we allow, this will continue.

            Okay, we’d like to not allow it, HOW?
            The system created, established, fenced off, protected !!! So what to do with her? She herself will not disappear ANYTHING!
            1. -2
              19 December 2019 16: 33
              Itself does not disappear, that's for sure. The French show how to start. And in 1917 they showed how to finish. Possible options. Rogues who have taken power will not understand another.
        3. +1
          18 December 2019 20: 54
          Quote: rocket757
          Although, APTEC divorced so much that it was impossible to imagine before!

          What good is this? Previously, I went to the medical center at school, or at the factory, there they will give a tablet and wrap it with a bandage, and they will inject an injection into the ass. Is free. And right now, go to the pharmacy, buy I don’t know what, and insert a shot for yourself, or ask a neighbor to wrap her finger in a bandage. In schools, at least first-aid posts remained? Or how?
          1. +1
            18 December 2019 21: 43
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            In schools, at least first-aid posts remained? Or how?

            Restored where they could ... paramedic points.
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            in production, they’ll give a tablet and wrap it with a bandage, and they will inject an injection into the ass. Is free.

            At PRODUCTIONs, they shortened, but did not close.
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And right now go to the pharmacy, buy I don’t know what,

            it’s advisable \ obligatory to go to the doctor ... this is \ can become a problem, soon and finally.
            1. 0
              18 December 2019 21: 48
              Quote: rocket757
              it’s advisable \ obligatory to go to the doctor ... this is \ can become a problem, soon and finally.

              So this is a problem.
              Quote: rocket757
              Restored where they could ... paramedic points.

              Quote: rocket757
              At PRODUCTIONs, they shortened, but did not close.

              The fact of the matter is that before the doctor always sat with the nurse, and now - not always and not everywhere.
  12. +8
    18 December 2019 07: 54
    Well, to adopt a little bit of Ukrainian experience in treating oak bark and plantain
    Not necessary!
    There are also healers, and even some ... Raised to the rank of deputy.
    So, for example, Peter Tolstoy suggested that the opponent take live hawthorn instead of imported, deficient pills on the air.
    1. +11
      18 December 2019 08: 00
      Well, or the same demoniac from the first channel. Malysheva?
    2. +5
      18 December 2019 11: 55
      Well, great, it would be to publish medical records of his immediate family! Interestingly, there would be a lot of hawthorn there?
      And if it were found, the search data would be no less interesting
      at these relatives, on the subject of whose hawthorn whose production is used by the relatives of this benefactor.
  13. +9
    18 December 2019 08: 05
    And what not to say bluntly - all the supreme power in Russia belongs to the liberal organized crime group of corrupt officials and downshifters - it does not have the task of saving the Russian people. everything is being done so that the number of population in the territory of the Russian Federation decreases significantly. Hence the cannibalistic pension genocide, and the terrifying collapse of medicine and the complete destruction of the social gains of the USSR. We are dying out - especially the Russian people.
    1. +2
      18 December 2019 09: 14
      Quote: Nonna
      all supreme power in Russia belongs

      Or maybe there were just the most greedy gathered, and besides their personal interests they were all in the least?
      1. +1
        18 December 2019 10: 18
        Quote: rocket757
        Or maybe there were just the most greedy gathered, and besides their personal interests they were all in the least?

        Yesterday I caught a glimpse of T. Mitkova's interview with a large businessman Sedov from Kovrov. "Cool story". An interesting interview happened. He wondered what would happen to his business in the future. He built a medical center in the city and supports the school in which he worked.
        https://www.ntv.ru/peredacha/Krutaya_istoria/
        1. +2
          18 December 2019 11: 14
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          A curious interview happened.

          There are people who do not lose their humanity and in wealth ... a rarity, but it happens.
      2. -3
        18 December 2019 20: 29
        And in a gang it doesn’t happen otherwise. Who is not tied to blood does not stay in the gang ...
  14. +8
    18 December 2019 08: 07
    Eliminating an internship is more than a mistake. We get residents with poor basic training and a lack of clinical thinking. They somehow make out their own, but they don’t see the patient at all, they don’t know the pulse characteristics, they cannot formulate the final clinical diagnosis correctly. There is a liquidation and postgraduate training. Since 2021 training in GIDUVah will be paid. The INR system (medical continuing education) is complete bullshit. The pursuit of fake points is the fraud of pure water. If there is only one doctor, who will replace points at the time of his departure for the conference?
    Return Skvortsov to the pulpit. Health care was developed by surgeons, except for one, Shaposhnikov.
    1. +4
      18 December 2019 09: 11
      Quote: Balu
      Return Skvortsov to the pulpit. Health care was developed by surgeons, except for one, Shaposhnikov.

      But is it exactly from replacing one with another that something can change?
      The SYSTEM is aimed at pumping money from everywhere, from everyone !!! Except those who are OVER THE SYSTEM, who have all the power / money concentrated in their hands.
  15. +12
    18 December 2019 08: 13
    Last week, I urgently needed to see a therapist, from the moment I arrived at the clinic to the doctor’s appointment, four hours passed through the registry, the initial examination room, and through the lines. The doctor had exactly ten minutes, despite the fact that we have a good doctor, I won’t say a single bad word, I even lingered a bit to receive me. As a result, there is a referral for blood for the next week, no closer, for an ultrasound at the end of next month. Is this a benchmark?
    1. +1
      18 December 2019 09: 05
      Quote: Van 16
      Is this a benchmark?

      This is "our" present state!
  16. +7
    18 December 2019 08: 41
    It is obvious that Skvortsov and the company need to be driven to the neck ... Not only that, the Gaster and their Kremlin guardians turned the repair in the Russian Federation into a farce, they also want to completely ruin the medicine in the Russian Federation ...
    1. +13
      18 December 2019 08: 55
      Well, if Skvortsova is still in her place, then this suits her chief Vedmedev and the rest of the knees. And this is a SYSTEM that can only move beds, not change girls, while the microphone, oh-sighs, will always be right, to the public. And tomorrow, the storyteller will again tell us his stable tale of a white bull.
      1. +8
        18 December 2019 09: 36
        And I don’t consider Russian patriots those who shout that in Russia there is no money for pensions and the army, but they always find money for gifts to Kyrgyzstan worth 250 million dollars stolen from Russia and its indigenous population
    2. +1
      18 December 2019 09: 04
      Quote: Sapsan136
      It is obvious that Skvortsov and the company need to be driven to the neck ... Not only that, the Gaster and their Kremlin guardians turned the repair in the Russian Federation into a farce, they also want to completely ruin the medicine in the Russian Federation ...

      From a change of faces the situation will not change!
      THE SYSTEM is set, to SAVE on everything ... they "have no money, but you ... survive as you want, and do not survive and ... your own fault!" IM deeply on the drum that the population has NO MONEY for expensive medicine (and not necessarily of high quality)!
      1. +1
        18 December 2019 09: 38
        They always do not have money for Russia, but they always have money for gifts to Kyrgyzstan, 250 million bucks ... It is time for them to blame themselves from the Russian Federation forever ... stop drinking our blood ... when they just choke
        1. +3
          18 December 2019 09: 44
          Quote: Sapsan136
          It’s time for them to blame themselves forever from the Russian Federation ... enough to already drink our blood

          It is only a tick, a leech, a mosquito, having pumped it prefers to fall off! These, not that breed .... fauna.
          1. +3
            18 December 2019 09: 47
            Well, that means they’ll bring the people ... send them on a date to their pseudo-holy tsar, straight to hell, which has long been waiting for all these Chubais and similar patriots of foreign states lost in Russia, eating her
            1. -2
              18 December 2019 09: 56
              Quote: Sapsan136
              Well, then they will bring the people.

              Patience, faith, and something else ... and HOPE!
              It is a difficult question to not understand, not to parse it for some who are not overloaded with such qualities.
              I do not understand.
              1. +1
                18 December 2019 09: 59
                Yes, everything is simple ... No normal person needs a war, and a civil war, all the more, but if they don’t leave a choice and the voice of the people is not heard, then ... So far the people are foul only in kitchens and social networks ... but this till..
                1. -1
                  18 December 2019 15: 48
                  It is not enough to swear, it is necessary to go to the polls and vote against them, be interested in candidates, and not spray their votes. There Navalny (whom some do not like) turned out to fail many edrosov when voting in the Moscow City Duma. Now the food panic, saw their last congress?
                  1. -1
                    19 December 2019 21: 06
                    Do you believe in fair elections ?! Blessed is he who believes ... They are not in any country in the World ... Your new Gorbachev No. 2, do not have illusions ...
  17. +8
    18 December 2019 08: 47
    . The sense of this will be zero, because the principle of a market economy will remain untouched. Profit instead of health.

    A market economy, is it like in Germany or Israel?
    So it seems that the author does not scold their medicine
    It seems that the problem is not in the market economy, but in the "market economists"
    1. -2
      18 December 2019 08: 59
      Quote: Avior
      A market economy, is it like in Germany or Israel?
      So it seems that the author does not scold their medicine
      It seems that the problem is not in the market economy, but in the "market economists"

      The author does not scold, but this does not mean that everything is smooth there ...
      Moreover, we should be worried about what we have.
      And we have reform in reform and as a result !!!
      We see for ourselves that the results are different, but for whom and how it pleases / does not please, it is very different. In which direction is the bias, you simply cannot find such data, so that it would be possible to believe this.
      1. 0
        18 December 2019 15: 50
        In which direction is the bias, you simply can’t find such data,

        Yes, it seems to everyone it is clear in which direction the bias is - in the worst direction.
      2. -1
        18 December 2019 20: 40
        In the people, and as always aptly, the word "reform" was chosen as a synonym - destruction.
  18. +2
    18 December 2019 08: 48
    The prevention mission is now with insurance companies ...
    Here is such a paradox!
    Information from a therapist, who, however, ironically added that "insurance companies" do not allocate money to promote preventive measures ...
    1. -3
      18 December 2019 09: 01
      Quote: Igor Polovodov
      The prevention mission is now with insurance companies ...
      Here is such a paradox!

      This is not a paradox, it is not at all happy!
      Because as for the insurance system, the people have NO CONFIDENCE! And there are good reasons.
      1. -1
        18 December 2019 10: 06
        I'm not talking about vaccines at all, but about promoting a healthy lifestyle, although such a promotion of prevention, and even from insurance companies, is hardly possible ...
        1. +1
          18 December 2019 11: 11
          Quote: Igor Polovodov
          I'm not talking about vaccines at all, but about promoting a healthy lifestyle

          In general, it is a postulate that everyone is the creator of his own health.
          This is how insurance agents can stimulate this movement, is that the question? It is rather a policy of the state, like "in a healthy body, healthy mind"! Maybe employers will create a system of incentives for employees for a healthy lifestyle ???
          Examples are surely available.
          1. +3
            19 December 2019 07: 07
            Quote: rocket757
            Maybe employers will create a system of incentives for workers for a healthy lifestyle ???

            Everything was created long ago. It's called "I went to sick leave - minus the bonus." That is why everyone goes to work with green faces to sneeze at their colleagues, but they eat all the advertised rubbish.
            1. 0
              19 December 2019 07: 41
              Quote: g1washntwn
              Everything was created long ago. It's called "I went to sick leave - minus the bonus." That is why everyone goes to work with green faces to sneeze at their colleagues, but they eat all the advertised rubbish.

              This, of course, where how. We are being driven from work right away ... and getting sick leave is not a problem, we have our own honey, our doctors and patients are not kept on the robot.
              People still try to evade, but this is not welcome.
              I'm talking about something else. Stimulate a healthy lifestyle, participate in competitions at the factory and outside! Good prizes are given even for participation, and winners are stimulated very solidly.
              Of course we have a large, rich enterprise, our own specifics ....
              1. 0
                19 December 2019 08: 18
                This is also there. But now we are a labor resource for neo-capitalists. Caring for our health is their concern for the milk / meat / skin / hooves that we give them for sale. I also care about the health of the tool, it feeds me. Tales of the corporate spirit and the rest will be left to the capitalist political instructors.
                1. 0
                  19 December 2019 09: 00
                  Quote: g1washntwn
                  Tales of the corporate spirit and the rest will be left to the capitalist political instructors.

                  Where, how ... there was proletarian solidarity, professional and others.
                  In principle, any basis that connects people to solve their specific goals, it .... happens in different ways, good or destruction, where how.
                  1. 0
                    19 December 2019 12: 58
                    There can be no "where how" under capitalism. Simply because the differentiation of pants is elevated to an absolute and the worker as a producer of material (and not virtual speculation) goods in the system of quick money and speculation becomes superfluous. Guess what companies are saving if their main goal is to increase the value of their shares? To buy a business - to make a business attractive - to sell a business for more than you bought it. All this in as short a period of time as possible, since you want to live in grand style here and now. Do you know how to increase productivity in the easiest way? You optimize the structure and personnel so that 1 will go to waste for 2. Those who disagree, trade unions, the sick and those who have not coped with the load are out of the gate. All. You can conditionally congratulate on the new seven-story yacht, because the modern labor market does not offer anything else (private small business does not count).
                    1. 0
                      19 December 2019 13: 13
                      Quote: g1washntwn
                      Optimize the structure and staff so that 1 starts to scramble for 2.

                      Not news ... New Year cuts, often before the sale! We recently crawled, so suckers and come across this! Over the hill a well-developed scheme! And then the new owner with the remainder of the staff \ workers is trying to get performance and profit as before !!!
                      Everyone had to learn and cognitive books to read!
                      Much more can be brought from there, "smarter" and more difficult! But this is the next stage.
  19. +3
    18 December 2019 09: 01
    We do not know. And the people will be. The process of natural selection starts again - the survival of the fittest. If the body is slightly weakened, ETA medicine does not give him a chance. The weak - in the cemetery!
  20. -15
    18 December 2019 09: 14
    Guard! Everything is lost! Russian medicine is dead!
    Free medicine? Say thank you that we still have it. Or maybe you want to pay for an ambulance call, like in the USA?
    Collecting money for treatment in foreign clinics? No matter how you look, these children often have fatal diseases that do not make sense to treat at all. Cancer at two years old or something like that. Such a child will not last long, even though you collect 100 million for him and do "chemistry" on the moon. And how do I know that in Russia they definitely cannot help him, and treatment somewhere in Germany is not the wish of a mother whose "Russian medicine has died"?
    Don't like free medication? Use paid. We live under capitalism. The state is now not obliged to treat you for free. Free medical care and insurance are a relic of the USSR.
    Something I do not see foreign companies leaving somewhere. They work quite well for themselves.
    1. +3
      18 December 2019 09: 45
      Quote: greshnik80
      Say thank you that we still have it.

      Truth? For this, thank you still have to say?
    2. 0
      18 December 2019 12: 30
      And in the US, blacks are beaten.)))
    3. +3
      18 December 2019 12: 49
      Quote: greshnik80
      Free medicine? Say thanks that we still have it

      There is no free medicine in Russia. Each employee pays 5,1% on compulsory health insurance.
      1. 0
        18 December 2019 15: 18
        Clear business pays - and due to what should medicine exist if it weren’t for taxes?
    4. -2
      18 December 2019 20: 43
      The ideologists of such views in Nuremberg were tried and hanged.
      1. 0
        19 December 2019 15: 34
        All the so-called "free medicine" - everyone pays taxes.
  21. +1
    18 December 2019 09: 20
    I work in the farm. company. Believe me, Ranbaxi is a pretty good generic company, the quality of drugs for the solid four. Over the past year, the number of Asian doctors has increased significantly. Survived ...
  22. AML
    +6
    18 December 2019 09: 47
    Quote: dirk182
    good About vaccination: I work in a state organization. Until this year I had not been vaccinated against influenza for 15 years. In the same year I was forced to do it. Everything in an adult way: lists, signatures, vaccinated records. Unpacked preparation. Asked a question about the appointment. They answered simply: "from the flu." Didn't attach any importance. I injected myself to continue working. And then it started: fever, cough, inflamed lymph nodes and weakness. All this continues to this day. Already hooked on antibiotics.


    You probably don’t understand what vaccines are. Vaccinations are not medications, but rather the opposite. Vaccinations in their composition contain pathogens, but in quantities insufficient to achieve serious consequences. The essence of vaccinations is to force the body to develop immunity, and not to heal.

    You haven’t been vaccinated for 15 years, so this is a tough side effect. Throw on top of antibiotics and STDs. Antibodies will not appear and plus the local flora adapts. But the government and the doctors are to blame, of course.
    1. -2
      18 December 2019 20: 54
      Recently I listened to a lecture by a bacteriologist who worked at one pharmaceutical TNK. The development and manufacture of tens of millions of doses (this is an order of magnitude for our country) of an influenza vaccine takes about 6 months. The pandemic lasts for about two. From this, only one conclusion follows - the corporation itself "prepares" both the virus and the vaccine. These are billions. More terrible is the other, but who can say anything definite about the side effects of this "elixir"? Are government agencies conducting such research?
  23. AML
    +5
    18 December 2019 09: 56
    Quote: greshnik80
    Guard! Everything is lost! Russian medicine is dead!
    Free medicine? Say thank you that we still have it. Or maybe you want to pay for an ambulance call, like in the USA?


    That was the same story with an old woman who called an ambulance from a nefig to do. The brigade arrives, and she just wants to talk. Then she went to her daughter in Germany and began to have fun with such things. When, as a result, her daughter got acquainted with the accounts, she loaded her granny on the plane and sent her home.
  24. +5
    18 December 2019 09: 56
    I went to apteka.ru and entered the search for "Concor AM". There are both Merkovsky and Egisovsky in stock, so, Comrade Skomorokhov, stock up.
  25. +3
    18 December 2019 10: 04
    It seems that we only live for today. Maybe 3-4 years in advance. It’s clear that such a state of medicine is a threat to demography in the future. We are told that a decrease in population can be replaced by migrants. I think only a generation of absolutely healthy people children, will give us a positive demography in the future. Why provide people with jobs when money flows from exports? And they can’t even give enterprises the privileges that make products exported.
    1. -1
      18 December 2019 15: 19
      In Africa, with medicine, everything is bad - but the population is growing.
      1. -1
        19 December 2019 07: 23
        Quote: Vadim237
        In Africa, with medicine, everything is bad - but the population is growing.

        There is natural selection there. And more viable individuals give a greater population growth. "Civilization" inspires and "tries to drag by the ears" into the population of anyone, even the most unadapted to the environment. As artificial breeds of dogs depend on man, so man drives himself into technogenic dependence. Dietary supplements and OTC drugs do not develop the genetic viability of Homo sapiens in the long term.
  26. +9
    18 December 2019 10: 19
    Already wrote in some thread about medicine ...
    My father is a cardiologist. In theory, yes, retired, but continues to work. Schedule day after day + day hospital. What year I ask, I swear with him - "quit, bah, there is a pension, children are adults. We and grandchildren need you healthy. For whom you plow like a horse. It is not your concern that doctors are understaffed." And in response - "You understand, there is nobody to work. There is nobody! For whom will I leave the sick?"
    Conscientious education hi
    1. +2
      18 December 2019 11: 12
      Well, I have a completely capitalistic worldview. But I would love to close my business and a half to return to the helm of the plane. Favorite work. Alas, this is impossible. Mom also operated until 74 years old. I also could not have without my work.
    2. 0
      18 December 2019 15: 21
      If he leaves work, you will quickly lose him, since work is the meaning of life for such people.
  27. -1
    18 December 2019 10: 35
    It’s not worth writing about the capital, if you don’t know (although, it seems, someone has already corrected it). In our Kalininsky district, a doctor by the name of Poprygaev is rude to patients, rushes and threatens. And it continues to work - there is no video recording at the reception, and the nurse has never heard or seen anything. The problem is largely in the doctors. Many (not all) who continue to work on the conditions proposed by the flawed managers are troeshy and / or inadequate
    1. 0
      18 December 2019 10: 35
      It's about Peter
      1. +1
        18 December 2019 10: 40
        And the doctor of another shift of the same injury is so "qualified" that he could not correctly indicate the part of the broken leg, the X-ray of which must be done
  28. +1
    18 December 2019 11: 55
    What will kill us? Well, definitely not the Tomahawks
    ?
    Why ask stupid questions, our liberals will kill us if we give them free rein. From here draw conclusions.
  29. +3
    18 December 2019 12: 02
    Russia cannot be conquered, but it can be destroyed from within. Which we are observing.
  30. +1
    18 December 2019 12: 10
    Yes, all these tales that doctors receive from us 80 thousand rubles, that there are no problems with personnel, that our medicine is no worse than Western medicine is true.

    When Skvortsova says: “With us,” one must understand: “With us in Moscow and St. Petersburg.” For the rest, excuse me, it remains only to look at these bullying (otherwise it can not be called IT) and endure.

    A survey on the Fontanka https://vk.com/wall-18901857_358993, it is easy to calculate that the salary in St. Petersburg is over 50 thousand rubles. receive only 16% of DOCTORS !!
    I think we will have it as in many other areas. The salaries that the Russians consider unworthy will come from those they arrange.

    Already arrived, people with unpronounceable surnames are in commodity quantities.)) By the way, while I haven’t seen anything bad, but not geniuses, so Russian doctors are mostly the same, but attentive and even helpful.
    It turns out that the whole essence of “import substitution” in us was expressed in replacing imported drugs created on the basis of Chinese and Indian substances with Russian drugs. Created entirely from the same Chinese and Indian substances.

    What do you want? if for 2015, out of 700 substances, we produced only 9 !!
  31. +2
    18 December 2019 12: 48
    Proprietary drugs are very expensive. Generics are the only way. But they must be produced with normal quality control.
  32. +2
    18 December 2019 13: 13
    .... drugs manufactured in India and China ...

    I have many side effects and even life-threatening effects, and in some cases are a placebo
    It is dangerous to be treated with drugs from these countries. Our "manufacturers" are also not distinguished by their delicacy, the drug because of the bouga and "packaged" in our country, as a rule, has a lower efficiency in comparison with the original
  33. bar
    0
    18 December 2019 14: 05
    Foreign pharmaceutical companies are fleeing the market for finished drugs, and sanctions are not at all involved. Mainly tender pricing policy

    And so that nothing grows further, "Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed another decree on the mandatory re-registration of prices in 2019-2020 for medicines from the list of vital and essential medicines."
    If now a fourth part of tenders for the purchase of drugs is canceled due to the lack of those willing to participate in them, next year this share may reach half. And all this in the name of "increasing the availability of drugs for the population."
  34. bar
    0
    18 December 2019 14: 13
    No wonder the medicines produced in India and China are banned for import, not in vain.

    From the point of view of a healthy person, perhaps for good reason. But from the point of view of the patient ... For example, the widely used and cheap drug "prednisolone" for injection was supplied mainly from India. And it cost about 30 rubles in pharmacies. Now, apparently due to concerns about the health of the population, its purchases have practically ceased, and it is impossible to find it in pharmacies. From the point of view of the government, probably not in vain, the sick will die out, and the nation will get better ...
  35. +4
    18 December 2019 15: 21
    Colleagues, in fact, Soviet medicine began to decay even at a time of steadily dying general secretaries. And the rot went from the outskirts of the country. Well, medicine could not stay away from the direction taken to eliminate socialism! I then lived in a small Abkhaz town. Locals quickly sensed that the doctor was an extremely lucrative profession. You won’t thank them once, in the second you or your relatives are not so treated. And despite the fact that at first all the doctors were honest and very high-quality Russian specialists, the locals endowed them with their ideas about morality. Well, a skilled doctor cannot want material reward from a treated patient! Therefore, they persistently brought in, and with the Russians, if you want, you don’t want, otherwise it will be strongly and perhaps dangerously offended, it has become a habit to take.
    Therefore, the child likes medicine, or vice versa, he was prepared in the capital’s medical school, collecting money for a friend in this university for a bribe, and thereby corrupting Moscow medicine. And the stupid child has arrived! She took exams for bribes, returned home after graduation, and, crowding out Russian doctors according to the already developed corruption method, ruined local medicine with her ignorance. That’s why the opposite tendency quickly established itself - just to go to Moscow for treatment, of course, through serious gratitude to the capital’s medical luminary of one degree or another of brightness. And when the capital’s capital began to fill their pockets, and you can’t hide it, the whole country saw that medicine was not only bread with butter, but also black caviar, with the connivance of law enforcement agencies already corrupt to the 80s. The trends described above instantly ripened among the smart people, not only in the Caucasian and Central Asian republics, but also in the RSFSR. And when the 91st came over, I won’t say that it’s all, but some of the Russian doctors are now ready for him, their time has come. And since the sneakers, by definition, are more adaptable than honest specialists, all of them, not being able to really heal, pushing each other with their elbows, climbed into specialized control structures, and to whom there were not enough places, they became tearing doctors. And if the patient, by his naivety, does not offer money, then he must be treated in such a way as to quickly, such a fool is dead. I watched all this, everything ...
    Take a closer look at Skvortsova! Didn't you notice this sneaky squint of her? Exactly the same as that of Chubais and Kudrin. When she was shown on TV with the explanation "Here is the new head of the Ministry of Health", I, a grated roll, grinned: "Nu-nu! It is immediately obvious that Chubais's clone." Them, clones, can be seen from a kilometer away.
    And I thought that Roshal would be the minister. Probably because I did not learn to think in corruption terms.
  36. +7
    18 December 2019 18: 40
    ... Midwives, ambulances, psychiatrists, local therapists, surgeons, nurses, paramedics from countries of the former USSR republics

    laughing
  37. +3
    18 December 2019 18: 43
    Quote: WIKI
    medicine is required first of all, making an accurate diagnosis

  38. 0
    18 December 2019 18: 50
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: WIKI
    medicine is required first of all, making an accurate diagnosis


    Israelis also often scold their medicine. But that’s interesting. Cases that threaten the life of the patient by our doctors are resolved very quickly. I don’t understand why.
    I can offer an option, but not sure.
    Everything is fine-tuned. And when the real problem arises, nobody cares about money. The bubble factor leaves, the naked truth remains. You can, you can’t. Pro or not. An Israeli doctor has every means and opportunity to prove that he is a pro. The "Hippocratic oath" remains. They gave you everything, go for it, doc.
  39. -2
    19 December 2019 10: 36
    Everything is lost!!!! The author of the article now has nothing to charge !!!!!! How do torches take articles to write?
  40. -2
    19 December 2019 10: 50
    Quote: Silvestr
    ... Midwives, ambulances, psychiatrists, local therapists, surgeons, nurses, paramedics from countries of the former USSR republics

    laughing

    YOU will forever in all branches carry your nonsense? What do you have with medicine? The law on the dismantling of Cyborgs for parts adopted? otherwise Europe needs donor organs
  41. -1
    19 December 2019 10: 57
    Quote: depressant
    Colleagues, in fact, Soviet medicine began to decay even at a time of steadily dying general secretaries. And the rot went from the outskirts of the country. Well, medicine could not stay away from the direction taken to eliminate socialism!

    in 1991, I was diagnosed with cancer, my aunt lived in Israel at that moment, jumped out to marry a Jew and left the whole family in the mid-80s, refused to operate in Israel, suggested limb amputation, were in Germany, there was the same story. ... As a result, they operated on me at the Voronezh Children's Clinical Regional Hospital, the tumor was completely removed, 2020 is soon in the yard, and thank God 2 legs ..... Thank you to Soviet Surgeons !!!!!
    1. 0
      19 December 2019 11: 31
      Thanks to Soviet Surgeons !!!!!

      Shame on Soviet surgeons.
      In my aunt in the USSR, they killed me with ordinary appendicitis, a violation of aseptic rules.

      But the wife’s birth took in a drunken obstetrician; they generally accepted it, until in the 90s the little brothers pokotsali. The noise then rose.

      And my mother was not diagnosed with a 5 cm tumor. I don’t even know how it turned out for them, I was in the army.

      Continue? I have big scores for Soviet medicine.
      1. -1
        19 December 2019 14: 42
        Most likely IT is not from medicine. Since, according to the laws of the USSR, medicine was financed unmatchedly better than now, and international organizations recognized that in the USSR life expectancy was among the top three countries.
        AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WRITE ABOUT IS A VIOLATION OF SOVIET LAWS. And all NORMAL violations of laws are called by the word "crime". Against Soviet law and significant Soviet power.

        And the fact that you don’t understand this and you can’t understand and NEVER UNDERSTAND- rather speaks of the fact that your head works the same way as most compatriots do: inside out, backwards and upside down. You are just like that from birth. The Soviet government has nothing to do with it.
        She disappeared precisely for the reason that SUCH POWER WITH SUCH LAWS - ONLY FOR NORMAL. MENTALLY.
        1. 0
          19 December 2019 14: 50
          And THAT WHAT YOU WRITE ABOUT IS A VIOLATION OF SOVIET LAWS.

          Of course, all these surgeons violated Soviet laws. So be it (although you just don’t understand what the law is, well, for some reason it’s not crazy belay ) THEY BROKE THE LAW - it means the criminals - SHAME ON THEM.
          Well, so I wrote it. What's wrong? What didn’t I understand?
  42. -1
    21 December 2019 23: 20
    Now, without ideological trolling, I will ask, in all seriousness - on what basis do the authors assert that the "Soviet" medicine was of higher quality than modern Russian or Western? Well, that is, it is clear that it was shareware, available, but what about the quality? Are there any comparative studies?
  43. +1
    30 December 2019 15: 20
    Crying late, Roman, this is empty. But to think about the elections, to participate in them and vote correctly - that’s what we all need to think hard about.
    There is still a chance to sweep these out of power.