At TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" found the body of the second dead in a fire

The search operation at the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr is over, the rescuers discovered the body of the second survivor of the fire - an officer of the ship's survivability service. This was reported by the press service of the North fleet.

The death toll during a fire on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier cruiser increased to two. Rescuers who examined the ship’s premises after the final elimination of the fire found the body of the deceased officer in the emergency compartment of the ship. Earlier in one of the premises was found the body of a contract serviceman who died in the struggle for survivability of the compartment.

The officer of the survivor of the cruiser "Admiral of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", the search for which did not stop from the beginning of the emergency, died. A soldier was discovered by a search team in the emergency compartment of the ship

- said in a statement.

Earlier, the headquarters of the fleet reported that the officer from the survivability of the ship at the very beginning of the fire decided to go down to the site of the welding work to evacuate the people there.

Currently, the search operation has been completed; the cruiser continues to drain the inside of the ship’s emergency compartment.

A criminal case was opened on the fact of a fire on the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov on the grounds of a crime under Art. 216 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violation of safety rules during construction or other works).

Comments

[MoJloT]

Condolences to family and friends.

[Mar.Tirah]

Yes! Let the earth rest in peace for them. How is it that we are stepping on the same rake again? All safety measures were not provided for during hot work. What is this ?????

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Mar. Tira

All safety measures were not provided for during the hot work. What is this ?????

It may well be! How do we do it on time, but we get everything necessary for execution after completion, isn't it ?! So it is possible here too - to weld the seam / patch, otherwise tomorrow you have to work further, but this has not been done yet! Well, it started, "at random" ...
A pity for the dead. The coward runs away, and the conscientious fights to the end ... And so the best die!

[ABM]

WE ARE ALL HERE - children of the "worst", the best died without giving offspring. Darwin

[Michael67]

The kingdom of heaven is for sailors.

[30143]

This is a systemic crisis. Such was the case at the end of the era of "stagnation", when everyone put the bolt out of desperation ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: 30143

This is a systemic crisis. Such was the case at the end of the era of "stagnation", when everyone put the bolt out of desperation ...

You are respected from the Ukrainian soap, only there they write lied .. and hopelessness ... They smeared Russia with smelly, sticky, Svidomo mud ... As good as people lived during the Brezhnev stagnation, people never lived before ... Then they said - "lived under communism"!

[water]

I believe in some moments this is really a systemic crisis. After all, both the guys who died and those who were taken to the hospital apparently have the same diagnosis - carbon monoxide poisoning. Apparently, personal respiratory protective equipment has not been trained. In the good old days, they would not have been taken to the hospital, but to the nearest multi-seat pressure chamber on duty. And in a day they would happily run home, or with sadness for questioning by the interrogator. But, now this is not feasible. Firstly, there are no on-duty multi-seat pressure chambers, and secondly, doctors with special physiologists do not have access to treatment.
This is stupidity, or organizational flaw - who knows !? And people are dying.

[bouncyhunter]

Sorry, sincerely sorry ... I join in the words of condolences ... I grieve ...

[Terenin]

[quote = bouncyhunter] Sorry, sincerely sorry ... I join the words of condolences ... I grieve ...

... forgive them of the sins of free and involuntary ...

[GKS 2111]

... And there is no longer that love, except who will lay down his soul for his own friends.

[30143]

And, probably, young guys. They would live yes live, girls squeeze ...

[Michael67]

Condolences to the families and loved ones of the sailors. Brothers until the last breath fulfilled their military duty. Men went to rescue their colleagues. I grieve with the Navy.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And to this lost land rest in peace and the kingdom of heaven. Condolences to family and friends.

[Starper-xnumx]

Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..
SMERSH needs to be restored urgently, while the specialists at the level of Sudoplatov are still alive .. Otherwise, the men will be too late.

[ushakorv]

They will put you the first to the wall.

[Proton]

For the first or second calculation

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Who the hell are you going to put? The supplier has not grown

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: ushakorv

They will put you the first to the wall.

But after people like you .... Then I agree.!

[NordOst16]

First they put the most ideological ones for they are uncomfortable to ask questions. But you are not ideological, but just a fat Troll

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: NordOst16

First they put the most ideological ones for they are uncomfortable to ask questions.

Balabol.?. We have already seen such in the history of Russia ..

Quote: NordOst16

But you are not ideological, but just a fat Troll

Perhaps a troll (who has what concepts)))) .. And so I write from the Russian soul, what I think .. Some do not like it here (over there already))) But this is all normal .. In "bans" truth is born. trust me guys ... while my heart is beating, I will write, sorry

[75 Sergey]

If there is anything, then let them bet.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Hammer on these minuses ... Damn, clean hammer, it doesn’t matter.

[Michael67]

Drunk, old, go sleep. Nehru flood here. Or better go, charge yourself another 100 grams. ... for the rest of the Soul of the Sailors of the Russian Navy.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Michael67

Drunk, old, go sleep. Nehru flood here. Or better go, charge yourself another 100 grams. ... for the rest of the Soul of the Sailors of the Russian Navy.

Misha, don’t be angry MIKHAN!
Until we clean up Russia, sailors and soldiers will perish from sabotage and fraud of different .. I am 100% sure of this
I hope you understand me, son, what am I talking about?

[Michael67]

Did you clean something up yourself? And all your 100% about what? Are you going to clean Russia? Old, calm down. And at the expense of the son you, the elderly, got excited. Did he serve in the navy?

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Michael67

Have you cleaned something up yourself? And all your 100% about what? Are you going to clean Russia?

It's none of your business what and how ..

Quote: Michael67

Old, calm down. And at the expense of the son you, the elderly, got excited. Did he serve in the navy?

No .. Only in a mask and with a breathing tube sailed in the Black Sea near the coast ..

[Catfish]

No, I didn't serve in the navy, obviously. Otherwise I would have known "what floats" and who "walks".

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Sea Cat

No, I didn't serve in the navy, obviously. Otherwise I would have known "what floats" and who "walks".

It was "floating" ..he hehe I confirm it

[Michael67]

"don't make MIKHAN angry" ... But what?

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Michael67

"don't make MIKHAN angry" ... But what?

Myocardial infusion is enough ..

[Tank jacket]

The first thought was the same ... Sabotage. And very rarely the chuyka let me down. The first thought is true. That liberal media instantly picked up and fanned, it seems like a blank ...
The Wall Street Journal | December 13, 2019
The fire on the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" raises new questions about the state of the Russian armed forces

[Walking]

So slowly bring the ship to decommissioning.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Hiking

So slowly bring the ship to decommissioning.

While the fleet leadership is firmly behind the TAVKR in the SF:

A Vedomosti source at the Navy’s Headquarters claims that after this state of emergency, there’s no discussion of the cancellation of Admiral Kuznetsov. He notes that there is a solution - the ship "must be put back into operation at all costs, since the construction of a new aircraft carrier will begin no earlier than 2030, and pilots from the 279th and 100th naval fighter regiments need to practice not only on ground training simulators."
Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/12/13/reanimaciya-admirala-kuznecova-dutyy-prestizh-v-ushcherb-byudzhetu-mnenie

[Simargl]

Quote: Tank jacket

The first thought was the same ... Sabotage.

The first saboteur is the one who sets such conditions when it is impossible to work without violating TB and TKR (faster, faster !!!), but is hiding behind instructions (like, the employee himself violated).

[Tank jacket]

The first thought is the first thought ... Train your cocktail ...

[Tank jacket]

The first saboteur is you!

[Tank jacket]

What are you doing here? I saw how sharpened objects fly at least ...

[cost]

too many misfortunes have happened to "Kuznetsov" lately. Leads to certain thoughts. It's hard to believe in a simple accident

[Michael67]

Rich, if you look closely at the number of accidents on US air carriers (which are not advertised) and our Fleet, you will understand that you can’t argue against%. Our Kuznetsov is the safest. The rest of the troubles we will survive.
The men of the lost - the kingdom of heaven.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Rich

too many misfortunes have happened to "Kuznetsov" lately. Leads to certain thoughts. It's hard to believe in a simple accident

Rich but isn't that all? That there are a lot of "accidents" in Russia .. And they are trying to convince us, in "our media", that we are such pazgildyai and do not know how to do anything ..
And then the cry "Katz offers to surrender .." ha ha ha did not notice it?

[Michael67]

Old man, you feed on the info of our media (including RV) and "And they are trying to convince us, in" our media "(your words). You float on top of the information that they give you. But you don't know the truth. And from your floatation you try make some conclusions. ”You are ridiculous.
Do not know - do not say.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You tell this to your father. Ch. M. O. You yourself will become an old man someday.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tank jacket

That liberal media instantly picked up and fanned, it looks like a blank ..

For liberals, the worse the better. "Gesheft" is done on everything.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Tank jacket

The first thought was the same ... Sabotage

And many in Russia .. Just afraid to talk about it .. Immediately accused of Stalinism and anti-Semitism hehe

Quote: Tank jacket

And very rarely the chuyka let me down.

I also trust her, and not other balabol ....

Quote: Tank jacket

The Wall Street Journal | December 13, 2019
The fire on the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" raises new questions about the state of the Russian armed forces

That’s what this diversion was designed for, it’s a fire .. The main noise is to raise the media ..
This is the goal of these devils .. to bring "Kuzyu" to the northern Arctic and flood .. With the words "the Russians are not able to build aircraft carriers, etc.)
Remember with what gloating our space station) the first in the world was drowned in the ocean .. The same words were
And why did they destroy it, because on this basis it was possible to build up new modules, etc. Ah naive Russia ..

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Starper-777

And why did they destroy it, because on this basis it was possible to build up new modules, etc.

MIKHAN! You, brother, are wrong !!!
On the ISS found spores and bacteria previously unknown on the Earth !!!
A couple of astronauts have contracted a disease of the respiratory system and the metabolism of the whole body. Moreover, all earthly methods of fighting "aliens from outer space" did not give results. Therefore, in order not to infect the entire planet, it was decided to de-orbit the ISS for "heat treatment" in the PSA.
And you say - we, yes still !!!
Advice (just don’t be offended!): - read books, get info from scientific sources, stop flooding, don’t be a chatterbox!

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Starper-777

it’s a diversion of pure water,

It just didn’t smell of clean water there. The oil rags were not cleaned on time, the cause of the fire. The older one gave out an order for hot work without ensuring a full check of the compartment for lack of combustible materials.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mar. Tira

. The senior issued an order for conducting hot work without ensuring a full check of the compartment for the lack of combustible materials.

Good shipyards have long established a procedure for carrying out hot work, this is done by the "Plant Fire Protection" all the work is provided by the firefighter at the site of work, a hose under pressure and various types of fire extinguishers at the site. Constant communication on VHF with the head of the ship and plant firefighting operations. The fire brigade is not subordinate to the ship builder, only the Chief of the Fire Department. After the completion of the work, firefighters conduct surveillance. The crew also exercises control. With such an organization, the risk of fires is reduced by a lot (we also had this, but the crew monitors the work, and after the end of the work, a constant walk-around).

[Simargl]

Quote: tihonmarine

In good shipyards, the procedure for conducting flammable work has long been established,

It has been installed for 70 years. But effective menagers put pressure on hard workers - they work for nothing. And this is not a problem for Russia - it was no better in the USSR.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Simargl

And this is not a problem for Russia — in the USSR it was no better.

I stood at the shipyard only during the USSR and then abroad, but in Russia it was not necessary.

[karabass]

Do you think at the Moscow Refinery in Kapotnya poor TB or the emergency unit? No - good, but the new workshop was on fire FOR GLORY !!! New stainless steel pipes burned out - cheap - it’s not good, because the difference is necessary to steal!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: karabass

Do you think at the Moscow Refinery in Kapotnya poor TB or the emergency unit?

There is such a city and the port of Rotterdam transports 400 million tons per year, of which about half of the flammable cargo, if a fire breaks out, there will be a "dead field" of about 15 firefighters for ten kilometers. And somehow it hasn't exploded since 000. Reptiles know how to work.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: tihonmarine

There is such a city and the port of Rotterdam transports 400 million tons per year.

Vlad! Port - does not transport! Port - "transshipping", "handling", "passing through its terminals" cargo ... They transport ... well, you yourself understood!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Vlad! Port - does not transport! Port - "transshipping", "handling", "passing through its terminals" cargo ... They transport ... well, you yourself understood!

Yes, he drove all his life, and then the language does not turn, you are already sculpting mechanically. Thank.

[ver_]

... once they stood at the wrecked Kamaz and the fuel tank exploded .., the barrel became barrel-shaped and the diesel fuel poured through the torn out point breaks (factory spot welding of the tank) .. Kose Verstein that only the fuel level sensor in the tank could give a spark. ..) .... However, the Lord’s paths are inscrutable ... I never heard of such cases from anyone else .. I had to change the tank, the sensor and the change was lost ..., he was not destined to turn the steering wheel that day ..

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Quote: Starper-777

it’s a diversion of pure water,

It just didn’t smell of clean water there. The oil rags were not cleaned on time, the cause of the fire. The older one gave out an order for hot work without ensuring a full check of the compartment for lack of combustible materials.

I remember before the collapse of the USSR .. Accident after accident and all this is savored in "our media" People began to worry and then rushed hehe
Again, they want to crank up this template in Russia already?

[karabass]

Do you think you need to hush up the problems? And then punish the switchman Vasya and all? Is the problem resolved?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Starper-777

I remember before the collapse of the USSR .. Accident after accident

I remember well 1987 Klaipeda ZSRZ during the night of 4 fires. In the machine for boring shaft line in shop 10 (machine staff 7 people), the next morning the chief turner pulled out the oil dipstick out of habit "and sand in the oil. Or when at August Jakobson, when starting diesel engines after repairs in the plant, a pipe bursts right above the main switchboard. when I have sand in the crankcase on a 7000 l / s diesel engine.

[Michael67]

Old guy, change your nickname to "hehe". You will be more recognizable. And I recommend turning it in my memories. Why are you jumping on the death of our sailors? Do you have a conscience? Calm down already.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Michael67

Why are you jumping on the deaths of our sailors? Do you have a conscience? Calm down already.

The guys fought for the life of the ship to the last, they did not think about their life, the life of the ship is the main thing. When you work for a long time on a ship (on a ship), you grow together with it, it’s like your child and you will give your life for it as well as your children’s life (I don’t know if people on shore understand me) and the worst thing is when your ship is sent scrapped, you stand and escort like a son to the war, knowing that he will not return home. So here you know that you will not climb the ladder, you will not see all the beauty of your ship from the bridge, and he will not answer you with the telegraph handle.

[Sadam]

I thought only the civilians in the dock were on fire. He is also a military man with his sprinkler steam extinguishing co2 5 times more than all duplicated even if there is limited supply from the coast. But how is welding not in a gas-ventilated tank? day burn this fuel tank burned out .... slobbery

[Michael67]

Are you also the last resort? Already investigated everything? And hang your own oil rags. ...Where you want.
The sailors died. And you're talking about a rag. It should be a shame.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Starper-777

Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..
SMERSH needs to be restored urgently, while the specialists at the level of Sudoplatov are still alive .. Otherwise, the men will be too late.

Sudoplatov, such a saboteur, rather. How would he help here? Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful here, but for him, the social revolution must be organized first

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Doliva63

Sudoplatov, such a saboteur, rather. How would he help here?

Well, how can I say (saboteurs in the USSR had other surnames ..)
Sudoplatov drove, destroyed a few. Brilliant operations were in the territories
It’s not for nothing that such an op was standing after posting this poster

SMERSH, here the fear was terrible for some elements !!!
But alas, alas ..

Quote: Doliva63

Then Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful

Well, Felix in many offices is so modestly standing or hanging .. So the struggle continues "gentlemen, warthogs, shitcrats" hehe

[Doliva63]

Quote: Starper-777

Quote: Doliva63

Sudoplatov, such a saboteur, rather. How would he help here?

Well, how can I say (saboteurs in the USSR had other surnames ..)
Sudoplatov drove, destroyed a few. Brilliant operations were in the territories
It’s not for nothing that such an op was standing after posting this poster

SMERSH, here the fear was terrible for some elements !!!
But alas, alas ..

Quote: Doliva63

Then Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful

Well, Felix in many offices is so modestly standing or hanging .. So the struggle continues "gentlemen, warthogs, shitcrats" hehe

Felix did not see a single powerful. The former FSB officer, however, hung a portrait, but he was engaged in business with the FSB from the lieutenant years, including related to drugs. Golem fetishism, nothing more.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Doliva63

Felix did not see a single powerful

Well, thank God, otherwise the howl would rise ..

Quote: Doliva63

The former FSB officer, however, hung a portrait, but he was engaged in business with the FSB from the lieutenant years, including related to drugs. Golem fetishism, nothing more.

Well, I understand you .. everyone sees what he he wants

[Michael67]

Old, it’s kind of like the portrait matches, why do you support this kolobrod here? You are not. An article about sadness. The sailors died. Are you delivering it here ... Do you have shame?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Doliva63

Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful here, but for him, the social revolution must be organized first

"This is the most important task" V. I. Lenin

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Starper-777

these are pure sabotage, as at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine

Sloppiness and negligence in the first place, in the second, poor organization of fire-safe work on the part of the SRH. It hurts when people die not in battle, not in the sea, but on the shore. My deep bow to the dead sailors and condolences to the family.

[nickname7]

this is pure water diversion

Dear, in addition to sabotage, there are such things as sloppiness, haste, laziness, which leads to a violation of TB. Accidents, this is a TB violation in the first place.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nickname7

Dear, in addition to sabotage, there are such things as sloppiness, haste, laziness, which leads to a violation of TB. Accidents, this is a TB violation in the first place.

Well, as if you were not born in Russia.

[Karabin]

Quote: Starper-777

while Sudoplatov level specialists are still alive ..

Petrov with Boshirov, Chapman?

[Jack O'Neill]

Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..

Sloppiness ordinary, no more. We always take security simply.
For example: a helmet and vests are worn only when the authorities arrive "unscheduled", and they know about it weeks in advance.
Do not look for a black cat where it is not.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

My condolences.

[cost]

Join
In my opinion, the minusers have already crossed the "red line" ... even for condolences to the dead they minus

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Rich

In my opinion the minusers have already crossed the "red line"

Absolutely agree.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

I think this is the case when you need to write to the moderators.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

I think this is the case when you need to write to the moderators.

and why should they write something, they have raised this question for a long time, make all ratings personalized, as in other forums, while others will decrease their agility. Although, I do not understand, well, they put you a minus, what will the bonuses be deprived? kindergarten, damn it! Reduce their petty bills here, even on such a topic.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rich

. even for condolences to the dead minus

Unfortunately, these are still available.

[pavelty]

Fulfilled his duty with honor ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pavlentiy

Fulfilled his duty with honor.

He was brought up so by the Motherland and the people. Low bow.

[knn54]

May the LORD repay the guilty DOUBLE!

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

Aliens host the troops and navy. All sold. Heroes save the motherland. Eternal glory ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky

Heroes save the motherland. Eternal glory ...

Ordinary people from the people for whom duty is paramount.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky

Aliens host the troops and navy.

Can you be more specific ???
For unfounded accusations, they used to beat with candelabra!
(You yourself ... "in what regiment did you serve?"
O. Bender, "12 chairs" Ilf and Petrov.)

[Klingon]

Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky

Aliens host the troops and navy. All sold. Heroes save the motherland. Eternal glory ...

If strangers host, then it's time to call the Predator)

[Tank jacket]

He wanted to evacuate the victims, he died ... A real Officer! Rest in peace...

[Valery Valery]

Woe Condolences to the near and dear ones.

[Herrmakedon]

To the officer responsible for survivability, who fought for survivability to the end - honor and glory!
And good memory.
Someone for "Kuznetsov" will hold the answer? For everything: for the smoke, and for the drowned dock, and for those who died in peacetime?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: HerrMakedon

Someone for "Kuznetsov" will hold the answer? For everything: for the smoke, and for the drowned dock, and for those who died in peacetime?

The worst thing is that in peacetime, for someone’s sloppiness.

[NEXUS]

Either the people are led by the nose, or there is a place to be sabotage ... I will explain why.

The cause of the fire was a spark from the welding machine, which fell into the hold with residual fuel oil.

That is, either the operational commission is completely ignorant, or once again the journalists have shown their impassable darkness.
We look ...

Immediately before burning fuel oil, a number of activities are necessary. The first is the acquisition of a better fuel substance in accordance with GOST. The second is the use of demulsifiers. Third, the use of special catalysts aimed at creating a homogeneous substance in a water-oil emulsion. The last way to prepare fuel oil for combustion is the most effective and more effective. After the use of catalysts, the combustion process will occur in any case. If you do not use catalysts, then the refined oil product can be used as fuel oil for long-term storage.

The question is, how did the welder manage to ignite fuel oil then? Did he, according to the official version, purposefully prepare fuel oil for arson?
I am sorry for the relatives and friends of the victims. The bright memory of them.

[The Siberian barber]

... has the right to be!
But rags on the wall, and under payoli to remove, at least
Nothing changes ... How much is said / written / and "sealed"! ....

[Avior]

Sparks from welding through the cable channel sprinkled onto the deck below, and there oiled rags lay and other combustible debris
Perhaps that is why the ignition was not noticed at first.

[Michael67]

Nexus, have you been in the hold of a ship under repair?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Michael67

Nexus, have you been in the hold of a ship under repair?

Dear, I quoted the OFFICIAL version about the ignition of fuel oil. Do not turn on the wise guy through the lip.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: NEXUS

The question is, how did the welder manage to ignite fuel oil then?

What kind of fuel oil? Where from? Kuznetsov, how old is it, to refuel it there, only the remains. Most likely the couples rushed and opened the fuel tanks. Hence, immediately a large area of ​​ignition. It is strange to think that this is a rag on an area of ​​600 sq.m. burned.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

how, the welder managed to ignite fuel oil

Hi Andrey! Have you ever seen a MAZUT (old, still German injection!) Burning in the summer, between the sides of the BDK, ignited by a cigarette butt thrown out through the porthole?
And I saw ... I must say, I was extremely surprised by this ... So the ZEMCh popularly explained to me: light fractions and oil vapor released from fuel oil burn. And since it does not spread like water in diesel fuel, then with increasing temperature it releases fuel even more ...

[Sergei 64]

Yeah before optimized

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

He died trying to save others ... What can I say? So the best go.
Pain in the eyes and lump in the throat. My deepest condolences.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

My condolences to the relatives of the victims. This is the second major incident during the repair of the ship. Last year, on the 82th shipyard in the PD-50 accident, one employee died and another one - the senior shift mechanic was declared missing (subsequently declared dead by the court).

[GRIGORIY76]

Usually TB is neglected when you need to work faster, increase productivity. And we have no performance, no safety precautions.
And the dead men are real soldiers, eternal memory.

[Lord of the Sith]

I hope that at least families will be paid decent compensation.
And the guilty will be fully blown up.

[Karabin]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And the guilty will be fully blown up.

About the guilty. He worked at the beginning of the 1976s as a mechanic in the power industry. There was a truck crane in the park on the basis of ZIL 4. in working order, but by order of Gosgortekhnadzor, operation was prohibited by a corresponding entry in the log. The management of the networks knew about this. Almost every day, for XNUMX years, I, as responsible for the good condition, put this crane on the line. The foremen, as responsible for the safe production of work, operated the crane, the crane operator, respectively, controlled. If there was an accident, who is to blame and who would be totally screwed up? Of course, a mechanic, crane operator and foreman. Everything is in accordance with the law. Could we comply with the Rules and not operate this crane? They could. But not for long. We would be fired, because "there is a queue behind the fence." They would have taken a more accommodating one. No problem. And the ancient truck crane, contrary to all norms, is back on the line.
We do not know in detail what happened on the "Kuza". Maybe the cause of the fire was the performer's sloppiness. But I do not exclude a forced violation of the rules for carrying out work, because this is very often.

[Lord of the Sith]

Now, as it were, the beginning of the noughties was not already, although the mess is full.
And still this is not an excuse. A serious position is a serious responsibility.

[Karabin]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

A serious position is a serious responsibility.

In modern reality, this is just a slogan. A "serious position" is covered by orders and delegation of responsibility. Unlike the position directly responsible for the production of work. On the one hand, he is bound by instructions, prescriptions and rules, on the other hand, the demand for the task. It is often impossible to complete a task without breaking it. If you have never held such a position, then it is difficult for you to understand. You need to experience it on your own skin.

[Lord of the Sith]

Of course, I did not hold a similar position, since I am not a naval officer.
My skin is all scarred, and this is not in a figurative sense, so it’s flattering to hear about her care))
I’ve seen everyone, I don’t see the point in such a meaningless argument.

You saw one, I am another.
All.

[Stas1973]

The further - the thicker. Coral shouldn't have been called that name. And the fate of the ship is crooked, and people are dying. It would be better if he remained "Leonid Brezhnev".

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Stas1973

You shouldn't have called a coral by that name.

No wonder they say: "What do you call the ship, so it will float"
Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov had a very difficult and difficult life, only in 1988 he was posthumously restored to the rank of Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union. And already after the aircraft carrier cruiser was named after him. The ship repeats his fate.

[Dzafdet]

Cursed him or what? Either he almost drowned with the dock, then the fire ... Maybe these, with a censer to call, let them cast out demons ..

[kit88]

Quote: Dzafdet

... Maybe these, with a censer to call, let them cast out demons ..

Not bad idea.
However, two questions need to be clarified.
- Where exactly to call "these with a censer." - to a ship or to another place to cast out demons.
- Should I call it "those with a censer" or are other specialists more appropriate here?

[awg75]

put the stools (so that his devils would flock herd) to lead the military-industrial complex. what can you wait?

[30143]

Quote: Starper-777

Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..
SMERSH needs to be restored urgently, while the specialists at the level of Sudoplatov are still alive .. Otherwise, the men will be too late.

You pose the right philosophical questions, which is why you are being neglected. People need it easier so that their brains do not dislocate.

[Alien From]

Officers, officers, your heart under the gun ......, then what will we do ???? Question to all forum participants ???

[Grim Reaper]

Safety has been written by thousands of accidents. And if you follow it to the letter, then such cases will be orders of magnitude less. But ... maybe nobody will carry it. And dozens of severe and fatal cases per month. Not only in the Russian Federation, around the world. And this applies only to energy. What we read out on the RAM almost every other day. And again, this applies to the energy sector and just one group of companies. In fact, there are hundreds of such tragic cases ...
Everyone must decide whether to obey the requirement of the master and violate Tb or not to obey and lose his job. In most cases, workers deliberately go to TB violation, because they are pressured from above. Perhaps carry. But try to go to the workshop in a non-standard form of clothing. For example, normal shoes, instead a tomb that disfigures the legs. Immediately minus the premium. ........
And the guys certainly feel sorry. May everything be fine with them where they are now.

[Saboteur Holuy]

The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy is to blame?

[Moonsund]

Hero, Eternal rest to you. That's whose name ships should be called.

[Angrybeard]

Condolences.
I remember the late USSR, samizdat was spreading rhymes in the spirit. "Perestroika is a factor, the reactor crashed first, accelerated, they drowned the ship" (this is about Nakhimov),

thought, now Adok is no less in court cases, constantly fires, explosions and deaths, deaths, deaths, and the same officialism and silence of the authorities increasingly criticized.
Do they seriously consider the situation dangerous for the country?

[georggy]

Eternal memory to the guys.
Who is responsible for this answer ....