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At TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" found the body of the second dead in a fire

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At TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" found the body of the second dead in a fire

The search operation at the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr is over, the rescuers discovered the body of the second survivor of the fire - an officer of the ship's survivability service. This was reported by the press service of the North fleet.


The death toll during a fire on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier cruiser increased to two. Rescuers who examined the ship’s premises after the final elimination of the fire found the body of the deceased officer in the emergency compartment of the ship. Earlier in one of the premises was found the body of a contract serviceman who died in the struggle for survivability of the compartment.

The officer of the survivor of the cruiser "Admiral of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", the search for which did not stop from the beginning of the emergency, died. A soldier was discovered by a search team in the emergency compartment of the ship

- said in a statement.

Earlier, the headquarters of the fleet reported that the officer from the survivability of the ship at the very beginning of the fire decided to go down to the site of the welding work to evacuate the people there.

Currently, the search operation has been completed; the cruiser continues to drain the inside of the ship’s emergency compartment.

A criminal case was opened on the fact of a fire on the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov on the grounds of a crime under Art. 216 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violation of safety rules during construction or other works).
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  1. MoJloT
    MoJloT 13 December 2019 16: 32
    +30
    Condolences to family and friends.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 13 December 2019 16: 36
      +12
      Yes! Let the earth rest in peace for them. How is it that we are stepping on the same rake again? All safety measures were not provided for during hot work. What is this ?????
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 13 December 2019 17: 30
        +7
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        All safety measures were not provided for during the hot work. What is this ?????

        It may well be! How do we do it on time, but we get everything necessary for execution after completion, isn't it ?! So it is possible here too - to weld the seam / patch, otherwise tomorrow you have to work further, but this has not been done yet! Well, it started, "at random" ...
        A pity for the dead. The coward runs away, and the conscientious fights to the end ... And so the best die!
        1. ABM
          ABM 13 December 2019 17: 44
          -7
          WE ARE ALL HERE - children of the "worst", the best died without giving offspring. Darwin
      2. Michael67
        Michael67 13 December 2019 18: 33
        +6
        The kingdom of heaven is for sailors.
      3. 30143
        30143 13 December 2019 18: 43
        +1
        This is a systemic crisis. Such was the case at the end of the era of "stagnation", when everyone put the bolt out of desperation ...
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 13 December 2019 19: 57
          -5
          Quote: 30143
          This is a systemic crisis. Such was the case at the end of the era of "stagnation", when everyone put the bolt out of desperation ...

          You are respected from the Ukrainian soap, only there they write lied .. and hopelessness ... They smeared Russia with smelly, sticky, Svidomo mud ... As good as people lived during the Brezhnev stagnation, people never lived before ... Then they said - "lived under communism"!
          1. water
            water 16 December 2019 12: 57
            0
            I believe in some moments this is really a systemic crisis. After all, both the guys who died and those who were taken to the hospital apparently have the same diagnosis - carbon monoxide poisoning. Apparently, personal respiratory protective equipment has not been trained. In the good old days, they would not have been taken to the hospital, but to the nearest multi-seat pressure chamber on duty. And in a day they would happily run home, or with sadness for questioning by the interrogator. But, now this is not feasible. Firstly, there are no on-duty multi-seat pressure chambers, and secondly, doctors with special physiologists do not have access to treatment.
            This is stupidity, or organizational flaw - who knows !? And people are dying.
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 13 December 2019 16: 39
      +25
      Sorry, sincerely sorry ... I join in the words of condolences ... I grieve ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 December 2019 16: 48
        +15
        [quote = bouncyhunter] Sorry, sincerely sorry ... I join the words of condolences ... I grieve ...

        ... forgive them of the sins of free and involuntary ...
        1. GKS 2111
          GKS 2111 13 December 2019 17: 32
          +11
          ... And there is no longer that love, except who will lay down his soul for his own friends.
      2. 30143
        30143 13 December 2019 18: 44
        +3
        And, probably, young guys. They would live yes live, girls squeeze ...
    3. Michael67
      Michael67 13 December 2019 17: 50
      +10
      Condolences to the families and loved ones of the sailors. Brothers until the last breath fulfilled their military duty. Men went to rescue their colleagues. I grieve with the Navy.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 13 December 2019 16: 34
    +7
    And to this lost land rest in peace and the kingdom of heaven. Condolences to family and friends.
  3. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 16: 34
    +4
    Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..
    SMERSH needs to be restored urgently, while the specialists at the level of Sudoplatov are still alive .. Otherwise, the men will be too late. hi
    1. ushakorv
      ushakorv 13 December 2019 16: 36
      -5
      They will put you the first to the wall.
      1. Proton
        Proton 13 December 2019 16: 37
        -9
        For the first or second calculation laughing
      2. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 13 December 2019 16: 42
        -27
        Who the hell are you going to put? The supplier has not grown
      3. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 16: 47
        +7
        Quote: ushakorv
        They will put you the first to the wall.

        But after people like you .... Then I agree.! hi
        1. NordOst16
          NordOst16 13 December 2019 16: 54
          +3
          First they put the most ideological ones for they are uncomfortable to ask questions. But you are not ideological, but just a fat Troll
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          2. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 18: 55
            +10
            Quote: NordOst16
            First they put the most ideological ones for they are uncomfortable to ask questions.

            Balabol.?. We have already seen such in the history of Russia ..
            Quote: NordOst16
            But you are not ideological, but just a fat Troll

            Perhaps a troll (who has what concepts)))) .. And so I write from the Russian soul, what I think .. Some do not like it here (over there already))) But this is all normal .. In "bans" truth is born. trust me guys ... while my heart is beating, I will write, sorry hi
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      4. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 25 December 2019 23: 43
        -1
        If there is anything, then let them bet.
    2. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 13 December 2019 16: 51
      0
      Hammer on these minuses ... Damn, clean hammer, it doesn’t matter.
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        1. Michael67
          Michael67 13 December 2019 18: 06
          -7
          Drunk, old, go sleep. Nehru flood here. Or better go, charge yourself another 100 grams. ... for the rest of the Soul of the Sailors of the Russian Navy.
          1. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 18: 58
            0
            Quote: Michael67
            Drunk, old, go sleep. Nehru flood here. Or better go, charge yourself another 100 grams. ... for the rest of the Soul of the Sailors of the Russian Navy.

            Misha, don’t be angry MIKHAN! negative
            Until we clean up Russia, sailors and soldiers will perish from sabotage and fraud of different .. I am 100% sure of this
            I hope you understand me, son, what am I talking about?
            1. Michael67
              Michael67 13 December 2019 19: 46
              +3
              Did you clean something up yourself? And all your 100% about what? Are you going to clean Russia? Old, calm down. And at the expense of the son you, the elderly, got excited. Did he serve in the navy?
              1. Starper-xnumx
                Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 20: 22
                -3
                Quote: Michael67
                Have you cleaned something up yourself? And all your 100% about what? Are you going to clean Russia?

                It's none of your business what and how .. wink
                Quote: Michael67
                Old, calm down. And at the expense of the son you, the elderly, got excited. Did he serve in the navy?

                No .. Only in a mask and with a breathing tube sailed in the Black Sea near the coast .. wassat drinks
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                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 14 December 2019 01: 24
                  -1
                  No, I didn't serve in the navy, obviously. Otherwise I would have known "what floats" laughing and who "walks". hi
                  1. Starper-xnumx
                    Starper-xnumx 14 December 2019 07: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    No, I didn't serve in the navy, obviously. Otherwise I would have known "what floats" laughing and who "walks". hi

                    It was "floating" ..he hehe I confirm it drinks
              2. Michael67
                Michael67 13 December 2019 23: 44
                +3
                "don't make MIKHAN angry" ... But what?
                1. Starper-xnumx
                  Starper-xnumx 14 December 2019 07: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Michael67
                  "don't make MIKHAN angry" ... But what?

                  Myocardial infusion is enough .. wink
    3. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 13 December 2019 16: 59
      +3
      The first thought was the same ... Sabotage. And very rarely the chuyka let me down. The first thought is true. That liberal media instantly picked up and fanned, it seems like a blank ...
      The Wall Street Journal | December 13, 2019
      The fire on the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" raises new questions about the state of the Russian armed forces
      1. Walking
        Walking 13 December 2019 17: 36
        +8
        So slowly bring the ship to decommissioning.
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        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 14 December 2019 10: 27
          +1
          Quote: Hiking
          So slowly bring the ship to decommissioning.

          While the fleet leadership is firmly behind the TAVKR in the SF:
          A Vedomosti source at the Navy’s Headquarters claims that after this state of emergency, there’s no discussion of the cancellation of Admiral Kuznetsov. He notes that there is a solution - the ship "must be put back into operation at all costs, since the construction of a new aircraft carrier will begin no earlier than 2030, and pilots from the 279th and 100th naval fighter regiments need to practice not only on ground training simulators."
          Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/12/13/reanimaciya-admirala-kuznecova-dutyy-prestizh-v-ushcherb-byudzhetu-mnenie
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 13 December 2019 17: 36
        +8
        Quote: Tank jacket
        The first thought was the same ... Sabotage.
        The first saboteur is the one who sets such conditions when it is impossible to work without violating TB and TKR (faster, faster !!!), but is hiding behind instructions (like, the employee himself violated).
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        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 13 December 2019 18: 49
          -1
          The first thought is the first thought ... Train your cocktail ...
        3. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 13 December 2019 18: 55
          -2
          The first saboteur is you!
        4. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 13 December 2019 18: 56
          -2
          What are you doing here? I saw how sharpened objects fly at least ...
      3. cost
        cost 13 December 2019 17: 38
        +6
        too many misfortunes have happened to "Kuznetsov" lately. Leads to certain thoughts. It's hard to believe in a simple accident
        1. Michael67
          Michael67 13 December 2019 18: 30
          -4
          Rich, if you look closely at the number of accidents on US air carriers (which are not advertised) and our Fleet, you will understand that you can’t argue against%. Our Kuznetsov is the safest. The rest of the troubles we will survive.
          The men of the lost - the kingdom of heaven.
        2. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 20: 32
          0
          Quote: Rich
          too many misfortunes have happened to "Kuznetsov" lately. Leads to certain thoughts. It's hard to believe in a simple accident

          Rich but isn't that all? That there are a lot of "accidents" in Russia .. And they are trying to convince us, in "our media", that we are such pazgildyai and do not know how to do anything .. wink
          And then the cry "Katz offers to surrender .." ha ha ha did not notice it? laughing
          1. Michael67
            Michael67 13 December 2019 22: 00
            0
            Old man, you feed on the info of our media (including RV) and "And they are trying to convince us, in" our media "(your words). You float on top of the information that they give you. But you don't know the truth. And from your floatation you try make some conclusions. ”You are ridiculous.
            Do not know - do not say.
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 14 December 2019 00: 54
              -1
              You tell this to your father. Ch. M. O. You yourself will become an old man someday.
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      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 18: 04
        +1
        Quote: Tank jacket
        That liberal media instantly picked up and fanned, it looks like a blank ..

        For liberals, the worse the better. "Gesheft" is done on everything.
      6. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: Tank jacket
        The first thought was the same ... Sabotage

        And many in Russia .. Just afraid to talk about it .. Immediately accused of Stalinism and anti-Semitism hehe
        Quote: Tank jacket
        And very rarely the chuyka let me down.

        I also trust her, and not other balabol .... hi

        Quote: Tank jacket
        The Wall Street Journal | December 13, 2019
        The fire on the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" raises new questions about the state of the Russian armed forces

        That’s what this diversion was designed for, it’s a fire .. The main noise is to raise the media ..
        This is the goal of these devils .. to bring "Kuzyu" to the northern Arctic and flood .. With the words "the Russians are not able to build aircraft carriers, etc.)
        Remember with what gloating our space station) the first in the world was drowned in the ocean .. The same words were hi
        And why did they destroy it, because on this basis it was possible to build up new modules, etc. Ah naive Russia .. angry
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 14 December 2019 10: 38
          0
          Quote: Starper-777
          And why did they destroy it, because on this basis it was possible to build up new modules, etc.

          MIKHAN! You, brother, are wrong !!!
          On the ISS found spores and bacteria previously unknown on the Earth !!!
          A couple of astronauts have contracted a disease of the respiratory system and the metabolism of the whole body. Moreover, all earthly methods of fighting "aliens from outer space" did not give results. Therefore, in order not to infect the entire planet, it was decided to de-orbit the ISS for "heat treatment" in the PSA.
          And you say - we, yes still !!!
          Advice (just don’t be offended!): - read books, get info from scientific sources, stop flooding, don’t be a chatterbox!
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    4. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 13 December 2019 17: 32
      +4
      Quote: Starper-777
      it’s a diversion of pure water,

      It just didn’t smell of clean water there. The oil rags were not cleaned on time, the cause of the fire. The older one gave out an order for hot work without ensuring a full check of the compartment for lack of combustible materials.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 18: 17
        +3
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        . The senior issued an order for conducting hot work without ensuring a full check of the compartment for the lack of combustible materials.

        Good shipyards have long established a procedure for carrying out hot work, this is done by the "Plant Fire Protection" all the work is provided by the firefighter at the site of work, a hose under pressure and various types of fire extinguishers at the site. Constant communication on VHF with the head of the ship and plant firefighting operations. The fire brigade is not subordinate to the ship builder, only the Chief of the Fire Department. After the completion of the work, firefighters conduct surveillance. The crew also exercises control. With such an organization, the risk of fires is reduced by a lot (we also had this, but the crew monitors the work, and after the end of the work, a constant walk-around).
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 13 December 2019 18: 54
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          In good shipyards, the procedure for conducting flammable work has long been established,
          It has been installed for 70 years. But effective menagers put pressure on hard workers - they work for nothing. And this is not a problem for Russia - it was no better in the USSR.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 December 2019 19: 06
            +1
            Quote: Simargl
            And this is not a problem for Russia — in the USSR it was no better.

            I stood at the shipyard only during the USSR and then abroad, but in Russia it was not necessary.
        2. karabass
          karabass 13 December 2019 20: 24
          +2
          Do you think at the Moscow Refinery in Kapotnya poor TB or the emergency unit? No - good, but the new workshop was on fire FOR GLORY !!! New stainless steel pipes burned out - cheap - it’s not good, because the difference is necessary to steal!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 December 2019 20: 56
            +1
            Quote: karabass
            Do you think at the Moscow Refinery in Kapotnya poor TB or the emergency unit?

            There is such a city and the port of Rotterdam transports 400 million tons per year, of which about half of the flammable cargo, if a fire breaks out, there will be a "dead field" of about 15 firefighters for ten kilometers. And somehow it hasn't exploded since 000. Reptiles know how to work.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 14 December 2019 10: 45
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              There is such a city and the port of Rotterdam transports 400 million tons per year.

              Vlad! Port - does not transport! Port - "transshipping", "handling", "passing through its terminals" cargo ... They transport ... well, you yourself understood! bully
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 14 December 2019 11: 03
                0
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Vlad! Port - does not transport! Port - "transshipping", "handling", "passing through its terminals" cargo ... They transport ... well, you yourself understood!

                Yes, he drove all his life, and then the language does not turn, you are already sculpting mechanically. Thank.
        3. ver_
          ver_ 14 December 2019 18: 20
          0
          ... once they stood at the wrecked Kamaz and the fuel tank exploded .., the barrel became barrel-shaped and the diesel fuel poured through the torn out point breaks (factory spot welding of the tank) .. Kose Verstein that only the fuel level sensor in the tank could give a spark. ..) .... However, the Lord’s paths are inscrutable ... I never heard of such cases from anyone else .. I had to change the tank, the sensor and the change was lost ..., he was not destined to turn the steering wheel that day ..
      2. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 19: 44
        +2
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Quote: Starper-777
        it’s a diversion of pure water,

        It just didn’t smell of clean water there. The oil rags were not cleaned on time, the cause of the fire. The older one gave out an order for hot work without ensuring a full check of the compartment for lack of combustible materials.

        I remember before the collapse of the USSR .. Accident after accident and all this is savored in "our media" People began to worry and then rushed hehe
        Again, they want to crank up this template in Russia already?
        1. karabass
          karabass 13 December 2019 20: 29
          +3
          Do you think you need to hush up the problems? And then punish the switchman Vasya and all? Is the problem resolved?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 07
          +4
          Quote: Starper-777
          I remember before the collapse of the USSR .. Accident after accident

          I remember well 1987 Klaipeda ZSRZ during the night of 4 fires. In the machine for boring shaft line in shop 10 (machine staff 7 people), the next morning the chief turner pulled out the oil dipstick out of habit "and sand in the oil. Or when at August Jakobson, when starting diesel engines after repairs in the plant, a pipe bursts right above the main switchboard. when I have sand in the crankcase on a 7000 l / s diesel engine.
        3. Michael67
          Michael67 13 December 2019 22: 13
          +2
          Old guy, change your nickname to "hehe". You will be more recognizable. And I recommend turning it in my memories. Why are you jumping on the death of our sailors? Do you have a conscience? Calm down already.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 14 December 2019 11: 15
            0
            Quote: Michael67
            Why are you jumping on the deaths of our sailors? Do you have a conscience? Calm down already.

            The guys fought for the life of the ship to the last, they did not think about their life, the life of the ship is the main thing. When you work for a long time on a ship (on a ship), you grow together with it, it’s like your child and you will give your life for it as well as your children’s life (I don’t know if people on shore understand me) and the worst thing is when your ship is sent scrapped, you stand and escort like a son to the war, knowing that he will not return home. So here you know that you will not climb the ladder, you will not see all the beauty of your ship from the bridge, and he will not answer you with the telegraph handle.
      3. Sadam
        Sadam 13 December 2019 20: 45
        0
        I thought only the civilians in the dock were on fire. He is also a military man with his sprinkler steam extinguishing co2 5 times more than all duplicated even if there is limited supply from the coast. But how is welding not in a gas-ventilated tank? day burn this fuel tank burned out .... slobbery
      4. Michael67
        Michael67 13 December 2019 22: 07
        0
        Are you also the last resort? Already investigated everything? And hang your own oil rags. ...Where you want.
        The sailors died. And you're talking about a rag. It should be a shame.
    5. Doliva63
      Doliva63 13 December 2019 17: 35
      +10
      Quote: Starper-777
      Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..
      SMERSH needs to be restored urgently, while the specialists at the level of Sudoplatov are still alive .. Otherwise, the men will be too late. hi

      Sudoplatov, such a saboteur, rather. How would he help here? Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful here, but for him, the social revolution must be organized first laughing
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 19: 53
        +1
        Quote: Doliva63
        Sudoplatov, such a saboteur, rather. How would he help here?

        Well, how can I say (saboteurs in the USSR had other surnames ..)
        Sudoplatov drove, destroyed a few. Brilliant operations were in the territories soldier
        It’s not for nothing that such an op was standing after posting this poster

        SMERSH, here the fear was terrible for some elements !!!
        But alas, alas ..
        Quote: Doliva63
        Then Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful

        Well, Felix in many offices is so modestly standing or hanging .. So the struggle continues "gentlemen, warthogs, shitcrats" hehe
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 13 December 2019 20: 10
          0
          Quote: Starper-777
          Quote: Doliva63
          Sudoplatov, such a saboteur, rather. How would he help here?

          Well, how can I say (saboteurs in the USSR had other surnames ..)
          Sudoplatov drove, destroyed a few. Brilliant operations were in the territories soldier
          It’s not for nothing that such an op was standing after posting this poster

          SMERSH, here the fear was terrible for some elements !!!
          But alas, alas ..
          Quote: Doliva63
          Then Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful

          Well, Felix in many offices is so modestly standing or hanging .. So the struggle continues "gentlemen, warthogs, shitcrats" hehe

          Felix did not see a single powerful. The former FSB officer, however, hung a portrait, but he was engaged in business with the FSB from the lieutenant years, including related to drugs. Golem fetishism, nothing more.
          1. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 20: 15
            -1
            Quote: Doliva63
            Felix did not see a single powerful

            Well, thank God, otherwise the howl would rise .. laughing
            Quote: Doliva63
            The former FSB officer, however, hung a portrait, but he was engaged in business with the FSB from the lieutenant years, including related to drugs. Golem fetishism, nothing more.

            Well, I understand you .. everyone sees what he he wants bully
            1. Michael67
              Michael67 13 December 2019 22: 34
              +1
              Old, it’s kind of like the portrait matches, why do you support this kolobrod here? You are not. An article about sadness. The sailors died. Are you delivering it here ... Do you have shame?
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 14
        +2
        Quote: Doliva63
        Felix Edmundovich would have been more useful here, but for him, the social revolution must be organized first

        "This is the most important task" V. I. Lenin
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    7. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 17: 59
      +1
      Quote: Starper-777
      these are pure sabotage, as at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine

      Sloppiness and negligence in the first place, in the second, poor organization of fire-safe work on the part of the SRH. It hurts when people die not in battle, not in the sea, but on the shore. My deep bow to the dead sailors and condolences to the family.
    8. nickname7
      nickname7 13 December 2019 18: 09
      0
      this is pure water diversion

      Dear, in addition to sabotage, there are such things as sloppiness, haste, laziness, which leads to a violation of TB. Accidents, this is a TB violation in the first place.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 16
        0
        Quote: nickname7
        Dear, in addition to sabotage, there are such things as sloppiness, haste, laziness, which leads to a violation of TB. Accidents, this is a TB violation in the first place.

        Well, as if you were not born in Russia.
    9. Karabin
      Karabin 13 December 2019 18: 16
      0
      Quote: Starper-777
      while Sudoplatov level specialists are still alive ..

      Petrov with Boshirov, Chapman?
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    11. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 13 December 2019 21: 30
      -1
      Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..

      Sloppiness ordinary, no more. We always take security simply.
      For example: a helmet and vests are worn only when the authorities arrive "unscheduled", and they know about it weeks in advance.
      Do not look for a black cat where it is not.
  4. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 13 December 2019 16: 39
    +4
    My condolences.
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    2. cost
      cost 13 December 2019 17: 10
      +7
      Join
      In my opinion, the minusers have already crossed the "red line" ... even for condolences to the dead they minus
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 December 2019 17: 26
        +9
        Quote: Rich
        In my opinion the minusers have already crossed the "red line"

        Absolutely agree.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 17: 33
          +2
          I think this is the case when you need to write to the moderators.
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 13 December 2019 17: 45
            +11
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            I think this is the case when you need to write to the moderators.

            and why should they write something, they have raised this question for a long time, make all ratings personalized, as in other forums, while others will decrease their agility. Although, I do not understand, well, they put you a minus, what will the bonuses be deprived? kindergarten, damn it! Reduce their petty bills here, even on such a topic.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 28
        +2
        Quote: Rich
        . even for condolences to the dead minus

        Unfortunately, these are still available.
  5. pavelty
    pavelty 13 December 2019 16: 39
    +5
    Fulfilled his duty with honor ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 30
      +1
      Quote: pavlentiy
      Fulfilled his duty with honor.

      He was brought up so by the Motherland and the people. Low bow.
  6. knn54
    knn54 13 December 2019 16: 45
    +4
    May the LORD repay the guilty DOUBLE!
  7. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 13 December 2019 16: 48
    +8
    Aliens host the troops and navy. All sold. Heroes save the motherland. Eternal glory ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 31
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
      Heroes save the motherland. Eternal glory ...

      Ordinary people from the people for whom duty is paramount.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 14 December 2019 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
      Aliens host the troops and navy.

      Can you be more specific ???
      For unfounded accusations, they used to beat with candelabra! am
      (You yourself ... "in what regiment did you serve?"
      O. Bender, "12 chairs" Ilf and Petrov.)
  8. Klingon
    Klingon 13 December 2019 16: 54
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
    Aliens host the troops and navy. All sold. Heroes save the motherland. Eternal glory ...

    If strangers host, then it's time to call the Predator)
  9. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 13 December 2019 16: 55
    +11
    He wanted to evacuate the victims, he died ... A real Officer! Rest in peace...
  10. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 13 December 2019 16: 58
    +6
    Woe Condolences to the near and dear ones.
  11. Herrmakedon
    Herrmakedon 13 December 2019 17: 00
    +7
    To the officer responsible for survivability, who fought for survivability to the end - honor and glory!
    And good memory.
    Someone for "Kuznetsov" will hold the answer? For everything: for the smoke, and for the drowned dock, and for those who died in peacetime?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 34
      0
      Quote: HerrMakedon
      Someone for "Kuznetsov" will hold the answer? For everything: for the smoke, and for the drowned dock, and for those who died in peacetime?

      The worst thing is that in peacetime, for someone’s sloppiness.
  12. NEXUS
    NEXUS 13 December 2019 17: 04
    +5
    Either the people are led by the nose, or there is a place to be sabotage ... I will explain why.
    The cause of the fire was a spark from the welding machine, which fell into the hold with residual fuel oil.

    That is, either the operational commission is completely ignorant, or once again the journalists have shown their impassable darkness.
    We look ...
    Immediately before burning fuel oil, a number of activities are necessary. The first is the acquisition of a better fuel substance in accordance with GOST. The second is the use of demulsifiers. Third, the use of special catalysts aimed at creating a homogeneous substance in a water-oil emulsion. The last way to prepare fuel oil for combustion is the most effective and more effective. After the use of catalysts, the combustion process will occur in any case. If you do not use catalysts, then the refined oil product can be used as fuel oil for long-term storage.

    The question is, how did the welder manage to ignite fuel oil then? Did he, according to the official version, purposefully prepare fuel oil for arson?
    I am sorry for the relatives and friends of the victims. The bright memory of them.
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 17: 13
      +3
      ... has the right to be!
      But rags on the wall, and under payoli to remove, at least
      Nothing changes ... How much is said / written / and "sealed"! ....
    2. Avior
      Avior 13 December 2019 17: 31
      +1
      Sparks from welding through the cable channel sprinkled onto the deck below, and there oiled rags lay and other combustible debris
      Perhaps that is why the ignition was not noticed at first.
    3. Michael67
      Michael67 13 December 2019 22: 51
      +4
      Nexus, have you been in the hold of a ship under repair?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 December 2019 15: 40
        0
        Quote: Michael67
        Nexus, have you been in the hold of a ship under repair?

        Dear, I quoted the OFFICIAL version about the ignition of fuel oil. Do not turn on the wise guy through the lip.
    4. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 13 December 2019 23: 32
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      The question is, how did the welder manage to ignite fuel oil then?

      What kind of fuel oil? Where from? Kuznetsov, how old is it, to refuel it there, only the remains. Most likely the couples rushed and opened the fuel tanks. Hence, immediately a large area of ​​ignition. It is strange to think that this is a rag on an area of ​​600 sq.m. burned.
    5. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 14 December 2019 11: 09
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      how, the welder managed to ignite fuel oil

      Hi Andrey! Have you ever seen a MAZUT (old, still German injection!) Burning in the summer, between the sides of the BDK, ignited by a cigarette butt thrown out through the porthole?
      And I saw ... I must say, I was extremely surprised by this ... So the ZEMCh popularly explained to me: light fractions and oil vapor released from fuel oil burn. And since it does not spread like water in diesel fuel, then with increasing temperature it releases fuel even more ...
  13. Sergei 64
    Sergei 64 13 December 2019 17: 08
    +5
    Yeah before optimized
  14. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 December 2019 17: 24
    +8
    He died trying to save others ... What can I say? So the best go.
    Pain in the eyes and lump in the throat. My deepest condolences.
  15. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 17: 38
    +3
    My condolences to the relatives of the victims. This is the second major incident during the repair of the ship. Last year, on the 82th shipyard in the PD-50 accident, one employee died and another one - the senior shift mechanic was declared missing (subsequently declared dead by the court).
  16. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 13 December 2019 17: 42
    +5
    Usually TB is neglected when you need to work faster, increase productivity. And we have no performance, no safety precautions.
    And the dead men are real soldiers, eternal memory.
  17. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 December 2019 17: 55
    +4
    I hope that at least families will be paid decent compensation.
    And the guilty will be fully blown up.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 13 December 2019 19: 07
      +6
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      And the guilty will be fully blown up.

      About the guilty. He worked at the beginning of the 1976s as a mechanic in the power industry. There was a truck crane in the park on the basis of ZIL 4. in working order, but by order of Gosgortekhnadzor, operation was prohibited by a corresponding entry in the log. The management of the networks knew about this. Almost every day, for XNUMX years, I, as responsible for the good condition, put this crane on the line. The foremen, as responsible for the safe production of work, operated the crane, the crane operator, respectively, controlled. If there was an accident, who is to blame and who would be totally screwed up? Of course, a mechanic, crane operator and foreman. Everything is in accordance with the law. Could we comply with the Rules and not operate this crane? They could. But not for long. We would be fired, because "there is a queue behind the fence." They would have taken a more accommodating one. No problem. And the ancient truck crane, contrary to all norms, is back on the line.
      We do not know in detail what happened on the "Kuza". Maybe the cause of the fire was the performer's sloppiness. But I do not exclude a forced violation of the rules for carrying out work, because this is very often.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 13 December 2019 19: 45
        +1
        Now, as it were, the beginning of the noughties was not already, although the mess is full.
        And still this is not an excuse. A serious position is a serious responsibility.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 13 December 2019 20: 17
          +2
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          A serious position is a serious responsibility.

          In modern reality, this is just a slogan. A "serious position" is covered by orders and delegation of responsibility. Unlike the position directly responsible for the production of work. On the one hand, he is bound by instructions, prescriptions and rules, on the other hand, the demand for the task. It is often impossible to complete a task without breaking it. If you have never held such a position, then it is difficult for you to understand. You need to experience it on your own skin.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 14 December 2019 18: 59
            0
            Of course, I did not hold a similar position, since I am not a naval officer.
            My skin is all scarred, and this is not in a figurative sense, so it’s flattering to hear about her care))
            I’ve seen everyone, I don’t see the point in such a meaningless argument.

            You saw one, I am another.
            All.
  18. Stas1973
    Stas1973 13 December 2019 18: 27
    +3
    The further - the thicker. Coral shouldn't have been called that name. And the fate of the ship is crooked, and people are dying. It would be better if he remained "Leonid Brezhnev".
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 13 December 2019 19: 15
      +1
      Quote: Stas1973
      You shouldn't have called a coral by that name.

      No wonder they say: "What do you call the ship, so it will float"
      Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov had a very difficult and difficult life, only in 1988 he was posthumously restored to the rank of Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union. And already after the aircraft carrier cruiser was named after him. The ship repeats his fate.
  19. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 13 December 2019 18: 29
    0
    Cursed him or what? Either he almost drowned with the dock, then the fire ... Maybe these, with a censer to call, let them cast out demons ..
    1. kit88
      kit88 13 December 2019 21: 44
      +5
      Quote: Dzafdet
      ... Maybe these, with a censer to call, let them cast out demons ..

      Not bad idea.
      However, two questions need to be clarified.
      - Where exactly to call "these with a censer." - to a ship or to another place to cast out demons.
      - Should I call it "those with a censer" or are other specialists more appropriate here?
  20. awg75
    awg75 13 December 2019 18: 47
    +1
    put the stools (so that his devils would flock herd) to lead the military-industrial complex. what can you wait?
  21. 30143
    30143 13 December 2019 18: 48
    0
    Quote: Starper-777
    Although I am minus for such statements, what is happening with Kuzya is pure sabotage, just like at the new cosmodrome and at the Kursk nuclear submarine (the killed part was left at the bottom) ..
    SMERSH needs to be restored urgently, while the specialists at the level of Sudoplatov are still alive .. Otherwise, the men will be too late. hi

    You pose the right philosophical questions, which is why you are being neglected. People need it easier so that their brains do not dislocate.
  22. Alien From
    Alien From 13 December 2019 19: 40
    -3
    Officers, officers, your heart under the gun ......, then what will we do ???? Question to all forum participants ???
  23. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 13 December 2019 20: 44
    +4
    Safety has been written by thousands of accidents. And if you follow it to the letter, then such cases will be orders of magnitude less. But ... maybe nobody will carry it. And dozens of severe and fatal cases per month. Not only in the Russian Federation, around the world. And this applies only to energy. What we read out on the RAM almost every other day. And again, this applies to the energy sector and just one group of companies. In fact, there are hundreds of such tragic cases ...
    Everyone must decide whether to obey the requirement of the master and violate Tb or not to obey and lose his job. In most cases, workers deliberately go to TB violation, because they are pressured from above. Perhaps carry. But try to go to the workshop in a non-standard form of clothing. For example, normal shoes, instead a tomb that disfigures the legs. Immediately minus the premium. ........
    And the guys certainly feel sorry. May everything be fine with them where they are now.
  24. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 13 December 2019 23: 08
    0
    The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy is to blame?
  25. Moonsund
    Moonsund 13 December 2019 23: 16
    +2
    Hero, Eternal rest to you. That's whose name ships should be called.
  26. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 13 December 2019 23: 20
    +2
    Condolences.
    I remember the late USSR, samizdat was spreading rhymes in the spirit. "Perestroika is a factor, the reactor crashed first, accelerated, they drowned the ship" (this is about Nakhimov),

    thought, now Adok is no less in court cases, constantly fires, explosions and deaths, deaths, deaths, and the same officialism and silence of the authorities increasingly criticized.
    Do they seriously consider the situation dangerous for the country?
  27. georggy
    georggy 14 December 2019 08: 03
    0
    Eternal memory to the guys.
    Who is responsible for this answer ....