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Klimkin prophesied the collapse of Ukraine in the event of a compromise with Russia

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Klimkin prophesied the collapse of Ukraine in the event of a compromise with Russia

If a compromise is reached in negotiations with Moscow to resolve the crisis in the south-east of the country, a number of Ukrainian territories "will become under vassal dependence on Russia." Such a "prophecy" was made by the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Klimkin in his article for the publication "European Truth".


According to the ex-minister, today there are only three options for resolving the conflict in the Donbass. The first of them, in which Ukraine compromises with Russia, according to Klimkin, will end with the collapse of Ukraine and the transfer of a significant part of the territory to the Kremlin’s arm. At the same time, he notes, in Kiev they know about this option and some of the Ukrainian authorities do not exclude such an outcome.

The second option is to freeze a conflict with a ceasefire, but in this case, Kiev itself blocks the road to NATO and the European Union, since part of the country's territory does not obey the center.

And the third option, Klimkin called the "fight to win." However, according to the ex-minister, at the moment this is the most unlikely option, since he will not be supported by the population of Ukraine, who wants to end the hostilities, but does not want to "compromise."

In Crimea, commenting on Klimkin’s forecast, they said that Ukraine was really on the verge of collapse, not only through Russia's fault, but because of the incompetence and unprofessionalism of the Kiev authorities. According to the co-chairman of the Assembly of Slavic Peoples of Crimea Roman Chegrints, Ukraine may follow the path of Yugoslavia and fall into several states, which, according to their historical the roots will finally disperse in different directions.
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  1. Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 13 December 2019 15: 09
    +12
    As I see this face, I immediately remember the film - "Dumb, even dumber."

    I agree with the Crimeans:
    - Ukraine really is on the verge of collapse, not only through the fault of Russia, but because of the incompetence and unprofessionalism of the Kiev authorities.
    1. Starper-xnumx
      Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 15: 25
      +8
      Quote: Vladimir16
      - Ukraine really stands on the verge of collapse, not only through the fault of Russia, but because of the incompetence and unprofessionalism of the Kiev authorities

      I’ll say tougher .. That state as Ukraine was not and never will be .. Already how many attempts were made and everything ended in blood and betrayal ..
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 13 December 2019 16: 46
        +17
        Quote: Starper-777
        I’ll say tougher .. That state as Ukraine was not and will not be ..

        1. maxim947
          maxim947 13 December 2019 18: 12
          +3
          Let them croak so often, maybe they’ll croak))
        2. Fantazer911
          Fantazer911 13 December 2019 19: 56
          0
          Still add Israel
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 13 December 2019 20: 45
            +6
            Quote: Fantazer911
            Still add Israel

            These don't fit. Their registration is still edited in the Bible. For 40 years they walked with Moses around the world, but they still returned to where their family nest is located. The neighbors are certainly not happy, but ... in the divine "OVIR" is documented. Dill and mattresses are "homeless" compared to them. There is nothing to rely on, no folios have survived. Here the dill refers to the fact that the sea was dug, but the links to the one with whom the estimate was agreed was never provided laughing
            1. Fantazer911
              Fantazer911 14 December 2019 13: 43
              +2
              Ukrainians dug at night, which is why the Black Sea is called, from the concept of a dark black sea I swarm laughing
        3. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 21: 05
          +8
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: Starper-777
          I’ll say tougher .. That state as Ukraine was not and will not be ..


          Again, I will answer harshly, just like you .. What is written is that it is in full swing in our hearts, yet ..but ..

          These are the things in the Russian Ural-Siberian divisions of Russia! soldier
          1. Zliy_mod
            Zliy_mod 14 December 2019 00: 39
            -7
            And the photo is a typical Ukrainian, with drooping vus ...
            1. Starper-xnumx
              Starper-xnumx 14 December 2019 11: 35
              +3
              Quote: Zliy_mod
              And the photo is a typical Ukrainian, with drooping vus ...

              Yes, but Bandera did not like mustache and shaved ..
              But in general, such Soviet peasants took Berlin, the youth then knocked out the whole in the 41-42th ..
              And here without a mustache goes to Berlin soldier
              The famous photo when the Russians got it finally ..

              Now in the course of history, the same thing will happen .. hi Because everyone got it and we are tired of humiliation ..
              1. amr
                amr 14 December 2019 13: 29
                0
                What are you, Russians, Russians in Russia, 150 nationalities and not only Russians fought, but also Ukrainians and Belarusians and Kalmyks and Tajiks and Tatars ..... and you are current Russian-Russian, what in other countries of all Soviet was called Russian - this is not an argument!
                1. Starper-xnumx
                  Starper-xnumx 14 December 2019 13: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: amr
                  What are you, Russians, Russians in Russia, 150 nationalities and not only Russians fought, but also Ukrainians and Belarusians and Kalmyks and Tajiks and Tatars ..... and you are current Russian-Russian, what in other countries of all Soviet was called Russian - this is not an argument!

                  In our hearts we are all Russians and we are so called in the west ..
                  What kind of hysteria is it with you ..? soldier
        4. Shurik70
          Shurik70 13 December 2019 21: 10
          +3
          Ukraine has already collapsed.
          Crimea sailed away. Donbas and Lugansk do not want to live in the same country with Svidomo. Lviv is still in Ukraine, but so far ...
          1. LeonidL
            LeonidL 14 December 2019 03: 45
            +2
            Alexander! Where did you get that Lviv is Ukraine? It has always been an exclusively Polish city and the overwhelming majority of the population are Poles and Jews. In 1941, the destruction of both began, and with the active help of the Ukrainians, primarily the OUN, including from the Brandenburg 800 Abwehr divisions - the Nachtigall and Roland battalions. It was in Lviv that the OUN (b) tried to proclaim the independence of Ukraine ... As a result of the game of Heydrich (SD) against Canaris (Abwehr), the proclaimers received a blow from Hitler, the second Harvat version did not work.
      2. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 14 December 2019 04: 21
        +1
        Used the territory of Russia, let them say thanks
      3. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 14 December 2019 11: 03
        0
        Quote: Starper-777
        I’ll say tougher .. That state as Ukraine was not and never will be .. Already how many attempts were made and everything ended in blood and betrayal ..

        Such attempts should not have happened at all. We can say thanks to Lenin for this pseudo country of dill.
        1. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 14 December 2019 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Sergey1987
          Such attempts should not have happened at all. We can say thanks to Lenin for this pseudo country dill

          Well, Lenin did not need to drag in .. Then it was necessary! Makhnovshchina, etc.
          Then, in fact, the whole country was restored that was during the tsarist empire .. Well, almost (they could not take Poland)
          Now it’s more difficult of course. But the work is being carried out in the same direction while at least one Russian living hehe

          Oh, I would die with a smile ..
          1. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 14 December 2019 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Starper-777
            Well, Lenin did not need to drag in .. Then it was necessary! Makhnovshchina, etc.

            Where did you get that it was needed? But I don’t think that it was necessary to invent peoples. In RI, they lived calmly and without republics. And if the republics were created on the basis of nationality, then I still understand the Central Asian and Transcaucasian, but not the Ukrainian SSR and BSSR, and, by and large, Moldova. Lenin then had a carte blanche after the civil. And there was no longer any Makhnovism, but there was a strong Red Army, seasoned in battle. No one on the part of supporters of the creation of Ukraine and the BR would have dawned. And his authority was enough in the party.
    2. Finches
      Finches 13 December 2019 15: 25
      +9
      After 5 years, Ukrainian Nostradamus Klimkin suddenly saw that Ukraine is slightly different from its 1991 borders! laughing
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 13 December 2019 16: 41
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        After 5 years, Ukrainian Nostradamus Klimkin suddenly saw that Ukraine is slightly different from its 1991 borders!

        hi , Eugene.
        Do you smell it? It smelled like "rotten pike perch" - ex-klimkin. The former ruling clique triumphantly returns to the "Olympus" of the former Ukraine with the same slogans and projections (Valtsman - on the square and the tribune of the VRU; Timoshenko from time to time; Parubiy, Tyagnybok, Biletsky with Yarosh, various Islyamovs with Parasyuk ...) and, as they said in the Soviet media - "... and hetman Ze who joined them." And this is just the beginning. What else will they push "Ridna Nenka" and in what boundaries it will end up ... request
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 13 December 2019 20: 31
          +7
          Lev hi His consciousness fell apart. Here, even medicine will not help. A man makes decisions himself, and he will be responsible for them. And the links that I listened to this or that - do not roll. Tips can be different, and just as your head has decided, it will.
        2. LeonidL
          LeonidL 14 December 2019 03: 55
          +1
          The point is not in Klimka Chugunkin - the point is that modern Ukraine was created on a deliberately rotten foundation. State building was based on the postulates adopted in the 20s and 40s by the OUN: "conciliarity", "Unitarity", "one nation", "united mova" and a very specific attitude towards "aliens". Of course, in comparison with the fundamental documents of the OUN, the attitude towards aliens has become softer - instead of destruction and exile, only complete assimilation. The rural Galician sages, squeezing the postulates of the last century into the current one, did not even think that "conciliarity" is impossible in a country with different confessions, that "unitarity" is impossible in a country glued together by communist leaders from parts of foreign countries and peoples, that "unity" will never become native and even official for half of the population that a united nation is also impossible for a country, different regions of which have different national histories, different national priorities, different mentality. And even now, under pressure from Natsiks of different colors, the green president babbles about the unacceptability of federalization. Building a "European" power on such a basis is simply impossible in principle, and what is not allowed into Europe will never be accepted into the EU, the road to NATO is closed. The only remaining gap is to serve as a blood-sucking drink and an irritant for Russia, a reason for sanctions for handouts. But for how long?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir16
      As I see this face, I immediately remember the film - "Dumb, even dumber."

      And now all of these have been ruling Ukraine for almost 30 years, it’s a pity but ...
    4. 4ekist
      4ekist 13 December 2019 17: 37
      0
      He has too much wise look ....
    5. major147
      major147 13 December 2019 22: 37
      0
      Quote: Vladimir16
      - Ukraine is really on the verge of collapse,

      With or without compromise.
    6. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 14 December 2019 02: 04
      +1
      I propose a business plan to steal Klimkin and carry it across the areas of Russia in a cage, and he already looks like a monkey like a Tugarin snake. It’s a pity our compassionate women will feed him with humpbacks anyway laughing
  2. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 13 December 2019 15: 12
    +2
    I'm late. Already split up.
  3. MoJloT
    MoJloT 13 December 2019 15: 15
    0
    If a compromise solution is adopted in negotiations with Moscow on the issue of resolving the crisis in the southeast of the country, a number of Ukrainian territories "will go under vassal dependence on Russia."
    Really thought of it?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 16: 12
      0
      Quote: MoJloT
      Really thought of it?

      It does not seem to have prompted.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 13 December 2019 16: 51
      +2
      Quote: MoJloT
      Really thought of it?

      Of course myself. He understands that if Russia and Ukraine find a compromise and the situation normalizes, then tomorrow all "outstanding" state figures of the period 2014-2019 will be brought to trial and will sit on bunks for a long time. Therefore, they do their best to prevent compromise. The weakening of interest in Ukraine on the part of mattresses and Europeans makes Klimkin and Ko feel sad and fearful for their future.
  4. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 13 December 2019 15: 16
    +4
    The collapse of this abscess is already a foregone conclusion. The very history of development. The LDNR branch is not the end of the collapse, but the beginning.
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 13 December 2019 15: 16
    +4
    Crimea has departed, Donbass has departed ... if this is not a decay, then Klimkin needs to see a doctor who will have a lobotomy. Although ... I think everything with her is hopeless and for a long time.
  6. prior
    prior 13 December 2019 15: 17
    +2
    Is it worth it "" and his statements to contemplate it on the VO website?
  7. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 December 2019 15: 21
    +1
    Instead of a powerful country that was built in the Soviet Union, there will be a handful of homeless countries, which so wants to build the "Western world".

    But for the Russian world this is a bad idea. The collapse would be, if not a disaster, then certainly not a good idea.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 14 December 2019 01: 15
      0
      Why would the disintegration of Ukraine, a state absolutely hostile to Russia, be "not the best idea" for us? On the contrary, Ukraine is our enemy, and the enemy must be destroyed. And the disintegration of Ukraine is the best solution for Russia.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 14 December 2019 18: 55
        -1
        And what is better, one homeless country, or a handful of countries that hate Russia, and which are much more difficult to control, and with which diplomatic relations must be maintained, dispersing forces?

        Think about it)
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 15 December 2019 11: 30
          0
          It is better to have 5 poor poor countries in the territory of present-day Ukraine than one monolithic state that hates Russia.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 15 December 2019 17: 50
            -1
            It is as monolithic as I am the prima ballerina of the Bolshoi Theater.

            A large state is easier to return to the fold of the Russian state than to compose something from flaps.
            The civil war at the beginning of the 20th century clearly showed this.
            1. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya 15 December 2019 23: 27
              0
              And why return these Bendera men? To hang them around your neck again, take all their debts and feed them again? And they will also hate us. Well, I do not! It is necessary to return New Russia, and Little Russia and Galicia let them jump at least somewhere, even to Hell.
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 15 December 2019 23: 32
                0
                Finally, you regained your mind and guessed what I patiently told above.

                Here is just one problem, people can be changed, it is much more difficult to return territories and lands.
  8. knn54
    knn54 13 December 2019 15: 23
    0
    "And we are here with buns, I apologize, we indulge in prophecies"
    And I want to ask if he himself is ready for the trenches. Or is this not a master's business. - prophets "are needed in the rear ...
  9. Berkut24
    Berkut24 13 December 2019 15: 31
    +2
    Must upset Chugunkin. Any path leads Ukraine to collapse. Because how to rob - so together, and answer for what is done - I hide from each hut. So, the Soviet stocks are eaten up, the Donbass is plundered, the time comes to answer for what has been done. So, everyone will start to scatter around the huts. And in Lviv, pretend that they have nothing to do with it.
  10. askort154
    askort154 13 December 2019 15: 35
    +2
    Apparently, the "Kursk miscarriage", spent some time after his resignation - he began to vang in "Evropeyskaya Pravda". But I was more surprised by something else.
    It turns out that in the 21st century there is "European Truth" in Europe? belay
  11. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 15: 40
    +6
    Klimkin made a mistake in only one sentence. Not a number of Ukrainian, but a number of primordially Russian territories will come under the "hand of the Kremlin"
  12. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 13 December 2019 15: 43
    +1
    Chugunkin raves ... Novorossia will take everything ...
  13. andrewkor
    andrewkor 13 December 2019 15: 44
    0
    A simple Russian boy, Pashka Klimkin, a fellow countryman of the esteemed Vinokur, expounds the fateful "thoughts" about the fate of his native Ukraine! Where is the world heading ??
  14. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 13 December 2019 15: 50
    +1
    And the third option, Klimkin called "the fight to win."

    This is probably the Kurykin of Klimkin who is developing the Citadel - 2 plan, a strike by independent tank armies in the Kursk region.
    Poorly taught the history of his native land at school. We provide the arc -2.
    And we will stop only at the border with Poland. Pshek don’t need us for nothing. Without them, the air is cleaner ...
    1. AUL
      AUL 13 December 2019 16: 14
      0
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      This is probably a Klimkin Kuryan ...
      Apparently, the "Kursk miscarriage" ...
      A simple Russian guy, Pashka Klimkin, a fellow countryman of the respected Vinokur, sets out ...
      What did you get to Kursk? There, not only hoopoes are born, but also quite normal people! (I'm not talking about Vinokur ... laughing )
  15. Egoza
    Egoza 13 December 2019 15: 52
    +5
    We have been waiting for a long time! When the name "Ukraine" will disappear completely from the map.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 13 December 2019 16: 49
      -9
      Quote: Egoza
      We have been waiting for a long time! When the name "Ukraine" will disappear completely from the map.

      I disagree. And what in return? Will you grovel in front of the Russians? Where every pimply youth is sure that the Ukrainians are all traitors (yes, yes, and you, including), and must beg forgiveness and repent, repent, repent on their knees ( as someone on this site noticed, "in the film" Evenings on a Farm near Dikanka "). At the same time, the authority of the capitalist-oligarchic clan of the GDP will again skyrocket as a collector of Russian lands, they will replace local bourgeois oligarchs in Ukraine as well" At the same time, the Russian society, drugged by propaganda, will emit collective "approvals", for "this is what they need, fat eaters," plus local policemen who will come running to serve the new tsar and help him strangle their own people .No-no-no, nafig-nafig.Ukraine must become independent (neither the CIA, nor the FSB), people's, socialist, without oligarchs-Bandera-Galician-Nazis. In Russia, this is not possible. You understand, the Russian Federation now is not The RSFSR and not the USSR. This is exactly the same country of the wild capitalism, as well as Ukraine, where people are only a resource. There, in the same way, they took away everything from the people, leaving them with "braces" and Soviet attributes that have no real power behind them. The Victory Banner, the Communist Party, Victory Day is cool, but all the real resources there, as in Ukraine, belong to a handful of capitalists. And the mass human consciousness is infantile. People sincerely believe that they were able to defend, achieve something, but in Ukraine they sold everything. This is nonsense. If the Russian oligarchs are offered a profitable deal -they will also sell the Banner and the Victory Day. And RosGvardia will bend those who disagree into a ram's horn. Therefore, I say again, "to the ground, and then ..." is not an option for Ukraine. And being a part of the current RF is not an option. Exit -Clean yourself, build Ukraine for people here, and live with neighbors in peace, while having your own interest.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 December 2019 17: 43
        +7
        Quote: revnagan
        Where every pimply youth is sure that Ukrainians are all traitors (yes, yes, and you, including), and must beg for forgiveness and repent, repent, repent on their knees (as someone on this site noticed, "in the film" Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka")

        la-la-la .... Go to the respected Shevchenko Museum, where the great poet, in his own hand, wrote in his biography for the university, in the column nationality - MALOROSS. So let's just return the historical title. Moreover, here is Ivan Franko, whom I read more than Shevchenko, REATED when he was ranked among the Ukrainians. ! "I am a Rusyn !!!" he exclaimed angrily. Do you know why? Yes, because the Greek Catholics seduced the villagers of ZU by the fact that if they call themselves Ukrainians, convert to their faith, they will stand out from those who were called cattle, BUT (most importantly) they will be provided with benefits and indulgences with taxes, land and even they will be able to take money from banks. And those who did not agree with the "renaming", those in Talerhof and Terezin. So yes, the "Ukrainian" has become a symbol of betrayal. It is a pity that Lenin so wanted to show that tsarist Russia was a "prison of peoples" that he also decided to use this name for those living on the territory of Little Russia, Novorossiya, etc. People are accustomed to .... Although I cannot give a deep bow to those who were called Ukrainian, but they were a REAL SOVIET MAN! And there were many of them. As for the oligarchs .... life will show.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 13 December 2019 18: 36
          -6
          Quote: Egoza
          .Go to the respected Shevchenko Museum, where the great poet himself, wrote in his biography for the university, in the column nationality - MALOROSS.

          First, he is called "great" Svidomye. The ones who killed Oles Buzina, who wrote the book "Ghoul Taras Shevchenko." Secondly, you can call yourself whatever you like, but this "Little Russian" preferred to live in St. Petersburg, and loved his homeland to tears ... in absentia. Since then, new states have been formed, peoples have used the right to self-determination. Well, there was no state of Israel, and suddenly there was. There was no Pakistan, and that's it. The same is with Ukraine. Once upon a time Russia was a small principality of Moscow somewhere between the ON and the Horde. Everything happens for the first time.
          Quote: Egoza
          Well, yes, the "Ukrainian" has become a symbol of betrayal.

          Kovpak S.A. was a UKRAINIAN (you still say that he is a Little Russian) - is he a symbol of betrayal? Is my compatriot I.N. Kozhedub a Little Russian or a Ukrainian? Is he a traitor? Hero-scout Nikolai Prikhodko from the detachment of Dmitry Medvedev, a Little Russian? Is he a traitor "Are all the Ukrainians who fought against the Nazis as part of the Red Army, all the Heroes of the Soviet Union - Ukrainians, that's all, all traitors? Or do you think that if you call yourself not Ukrainian, but" Little Russian ", the attitude towards you in Russia will change? During the war, the communists did not try to rename themselves Prussians or Silesians, regardless of what the Nazi Germans did. They saw their homeland as free, without Nazis, but inhabited by Germans. And the real Soviet people in real Russia no longer exist. You can be a citizen of any country, a normal person, and at the same time not be ashamed of your nationality, and love your Motherland, even sick, occupied and humiliated, and try to make it better and get rid of parasites, and not run to your neighbor's uncle, hoping that he will take it to himself and put things in order. to beat the old master for another? Neighbor, but exactly like that? No, under the knee of all the "owners" of our land. And living fraternally with a capitalist state will not work.
      2. Private-K
        Private-K 13 December 2019 17: 46
        +1
        RF is exactly what the RSFSR is, but without "Soviet" and without "socialist".
        By the way, you will be surprised, but until 2014, Ukraine retained much more Soviet nishtyaks in society than in Russia. Since 2015, their active collapse has gone.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 13 December 2019 18: 39
          -4
          Quote: Private-K
          By the way, you will be surprised, but until 2014, Ukraine retained much more Soviet nishtyaks in society than in Russia.

          Why should I be surprised? I saw all this and I know, and therefore I consider the current government in Ukraine to be occupying. As well as in Russia.
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 13 December 2019 17: 52
        +1
        If they consider themselves Russian and did not do anything against Russia then why repent?
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 13 December 2019 18: 41
          -6
          Quote: Incvizitor
          If they consider themselves Russian and did not do anything against Russia then why repent?

          And if they consider themselves Ukrainians, all other things being equal, then all the same they should? How do some people there dream of "crawling on their knees," huh?
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 14 December 2019 13: 17
            0
            I dream of returning the Russians with Russian lands, and let all sorts of Yaumamy Ukrainians fall far and for a long time.
            Not repenting, not creeping in, these galloping ones are not needed.
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        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 14 December 2019 01: 22
          +1
          Quote: demos1111
          I honestly can’t understand Europe. If God forbid, Khmelnitsky NPP smells where they will be evicted.?

          Watch the wind rose. In Europe, as in the entire temperate zone, westerly winds prevail, so if nuclear power plants in Ukraine explode, then all the muck will go towards Russia. At the same Chernobyl, for example, Belarus and the Bryansk region suffered, since the south-west wind blew during that period. Europe has not suffered in any way. And the top Europeans are well aware of this, and therefore are not afraid of accidents at Ukrainian nuclear power plants.
    2. Starper-xnumx
      Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 16: 56
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      We have been waiting for a long time! When the name "Ukraine" will disappear completely from the map.

      Yes, everyone is waiting for Elena .. as they already got everyone .. hi
      One of the directions of the plan of the West "Anaconda" is a war with Russia until the last Ukrainian .... But the Russians did not show up for the war and are waiting for hehe when she undresses herself (the industry is on its side, one pipe is left) .. It's hard to wait, but less blood! hi
      Elena has always worried about you and is glad to read you again .. God bless you! love
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 December 2019 17: 44
        +4
        Quote: Starper-777
        Elena has always worried about you and is glad to read you again .. God bless you!

        Thanks for your kind words.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 13 December 2019 17: 04
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      We have been waiting for a long time! When the name "Ukraine" will disappear completely from the map.

      hi
      Elena, well, you are a sadist. By itself, "Ukraine" is a familiar and pleasant name, but the content is alas. So the content needs reformatting and upgrading. But whether they will happen in this former Ukraine and what it is fraught with is a big, big question. Especially, considering the return of the "former" to the leadership rostrum. yes
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 December 2019 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: Lelek
        So content needs reformatting and upgrade

        It will be. Necessarily will. Here you can laugh, not believe, BUT after all, it is so. Do not be lazy, read (Von Klimkin read just now)
        https://znaj.ua/ru/society/229411-ostannye-peredbachennya-dlya-ukrajini-legendarnij-molfar-zalishiv-prorotstvo-yake-vzhe-pochalo-zbuvatisya
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 13 December 2019 17: 57
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          It will be.


          God give it. I'm all for it!
  16. awdrgy
    awdrgy 13 December 2019 16: 09
    -1
    Perhaps there are more options, but some are not specifically disclosed
  17. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 16: 15
    0
    Oh, these "prophets" with their "prophecies" ...!))) BUT, the suit must be ironed, nevertheless .... Not in order ...
    1. Zliy_mod
      Zliy_mod 14 December 2019 00: 52
      -1
      It is ridiculous to read the Russians with their mantra, not Ukraine, but Little Russia. Where do you get so stubborn? Russia cannot offer anything sensible in the foreseeable future. Yes, we have more and more people coming down to Poland, etc., so you too are starting to bring down people, I was in Poland on courses, 20 people lived together for a month, including 2 Belarusians and 2 Russians Nizhny Tagil and Voronezh, the rest Ukrainians. Nobody offended you and didn’t talk about political issues ... just because the Ukrainians themselves in different positions lived together and helped, they agreed on one thing, it’s worse here, but you’re also attacked like in Ukraine after the Maidan.
  18. Terenin
    Terenin 13 December 2019 17: 12
    +4
    Klimkin: ... a number of Ukrainian territories "will pass under vassal dependence on Russia."

    Pasha, "buddy", how did you work as a minister? fool . What kind of idiot recommended you?
    Vassals were in Western Europe, in the Middle Ages, where the owner of land, for the right to own property, paid various duties (military service, etc.) to the overlord, that is, the one to whom the whole land belonged. And, the land will soon be in Ukraine to whom will you sell ??? Russia ??? And in what army will your lads hopaka dance ???
    Aah, lol I remembered that you held this post in Ukraine, it’s excusable to you ...
  19. Bare
    Bare 13 December 2019 17: 18
    +1
    Debiloid with paranoid schizophrenia. lol
  20. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 13 December 2019 17: 27
    0
    I do not take his "intellectual" abilities, but he looks really silly ... well, maybe he is a "genius" ... without him it is clear that "Ukrov" will not have easy times ... "They" need get up, and it will go.
  21. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 December 2019 17: 51
    0
    Is he really tight? Ukraine fell apart in 2014, it is no longer and will not be.
  22. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 December 2019 18: 03
    +2
    "Prophetic Cassandra" of Selyukov diplomacy, in trousers for growth, wangs. It's funny.
  23. svoit
    svoit 13 December 2019 18: 10
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    We have been waiting for a long time! When the name "Ukraine" will disappear completely from the map.

    You can wait a long time, and it may turn out that tomorrow and even the day after tomorrow something else can be seen on the map. The expectation will not change anything, now you can’t see enough influential forces not outside or inside this state that would carry out this disintegration quite clearly, but you can find other fairly influential forces that support this state and have some dividends for that. No matter how popular and rotten the regime is, it can only damage the regime, but hardly the state. Only action can change something, but not expectation.
  24. NF68
    NF68 13 December 2019 18: 11
    +1
    No need to blame from a sore head for a healthy one. The real problems of Ukraine began even when they gave free rein to the pan-cookers and their sympathizers.
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  26. svp67
    svp67 13 December 2019 21: 39
    0
    If a compromise decision is made in negotiations with Moscow on resolving the crisis in the southeast of the country, a number of Ukrainian territories "will go under vassal dependence on Russia."
    Translated from "new Ukrainian into Russian", it should sound like this: "If Ukraine fulfills the Minsk agreements," integration ties with Russia will remain. "
  27. viber
    viber 14 December 2019 01: 40
    0
    Yes, everything is fine in Ukraine. They live, work ..
  28. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 14 December 2019 05: 38
    0
    - "And the third option Klimkin called" the fight to win "- option one, the instigators of the coup to the wall !!!.
  29. amr
    amr 16 December 2019 17: 47
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    Quote: Starper-777
    In our hearts we are all Russians and we are so called in the west ..
    What kind of hysteria is it with you ..?

    okay, I’ll put a plus sign .... indeed they consider all Russians ... to hell with them explain that you are Kalmyk, Udmurt or Gagauz))))